@@RetroBacon1 Or at least Googled it, even I knew Sony had switched to 6nm process with their latest revision. But I didn't know that there could be such a big discrepancy in power draw between different units within the same revision!
We all make mistakes, Austin. In this case you made a honest one. Personally, I loved seeing you stick to your thought and see it through. Keep it up 👍
It just effect people who could buy 1100 back in 2021 but then saw that video and skip it. 😂😂😂😂 no real lost because people still hunting ps5 for years.
@@beckergrey Ive had numerous chances to buy a Ps5, its even in stores here. I don't see the point over getting that overhyped thing since it has no games and is weaker than PC or Series X. On top of that I hate the Toxic Sony community and Delusional Ponies. Nobody's hunting either anymore.
Also, the reason why Sony likely didn't just make a "slim" console now is because they've already got molds for their current design and likely have already manufactured tons and tons of the existing shells. Also, from what I'm hearing it sounds like Sony is going to completely revamp the PS5 again next year to convert it from two SKUs into just one with a separate detachable blu-ray drive which can easily be added in later. This will likely become the PS5 "slim" version and will likely become the version most associated with the system if they then stick with that design even for 2 years because the sales will likely be much higher than these past two years given all the shortages which only just NOW seem to be coming to an end.
Also the slim Ps4 and xbox one S went from 200+ watts and 28nm to 16nm and using 80 watts. this is barely any power reduction, they need to wait for 5nm which they wont be doing any time soon.
@@WayStedYou stop overexaggerating. Launch models of PS4 and Xbox One used 120W at max. That’s nowhere near the 200W of XSX/PS5. Also power supply is not equal to power draw.
Wafers are more expensive than previously as TSMC has increased prices. Yes they can fit more chips to the wafer but i doubt they are paying any less per chip.
@@3DJLab TSMC hasn't increased older nodes prices like 7nm or 6nm, only top of line nodes like 3nm, 4nm and 5nm, you are gobling up sony marketing lies like a good console fan, while everything else including GPU, CPU, RAMs is dropping in price..
Get dem Kids a Slim version as if they pick their ps5 up for a walk all day.and get real people a ps5 pro that csn finaly play 4 k cause ps5 is outdated
@@danteortega6510 I bet it's cooling is trash and will damage internals. There is a function and purpose behind the size of the ps5. This systems pack serious hardware that require excellent cooling solutions.
@@alexv5581 nah he basically just removed the power brick, which defeats the purpose because the power brick takes up just as much apace so was a bit pointless
@9:26 If you REALLY pay attention to the pins in the side-by-side comparison, the pins on the 1200 are much closer together than on the 1000. That does imply that the die size is different.
I think this video is good as it is, Austin really pushes the quality and pushes what he can do, always. And sometimes that leads him to be super hard and critical on himself. I like this. Good work Austin.
It makes perfect sense. Its a revised SOC on a new process node. Bringing reduced power draw and thus. Reduced thermal output. Just like the PS4 slim and Xbox one S
1200 model user here. The machine is so quiet, I have to put my ear against it to hear something, this is while playing Ragnarok or MWII at 4k 60 HDR with surround. I was disappointed with their second model (1100) as it was too loud and for me it ruins the surround sound when playing in low volumes. The 1200 is quiet like a mouse so no worries. If you are not sure what version you got you can see the difference right away when you open the M.2 SSD slot in your PS5. You'll see metal underneath the M.2 slot if you got the superior 1200 model. Cheers! I got to say though, It's a good machine but I'm still getting a PS5 pro when it's released.
I had a 1000 release console, I was playing FF16 and the console kept overheating and powering off. I recently got a new one and tried to get the most recent. I got a CFI-1215B 01X. And wow.. the graphics looks smoother and it's a lot less hot when playing 6+ hours... I suggest that anyone that wants to get a PS5. To get the most recent bundles they released so you get the newest 6mm chip and the heatsink. Instead of getting a used one and risking it to be one of the first versions.
@@thunderarch5951 I mean, GPU prices increased like 150% simply because of cryptomining. So PC bros got a much more significant price increase on even older hardware. It's only recently prices have dropped back down.
for just being a Singaporean electronic 2nd year engineer student who knows basic stuff about circuitry I think the 1200 model APU circuitry is much more optimized for power usage such as lesser copper lines used for more optimization and lesser errors and probably newer transistors used in the APU for optimal power and also firmware
@@albertalberto2288 opened mine and started using it a couple days after Christmas, my brother and I have one and we’ve been using them with PS5 games and so far we haven’t heard anything! 🤟🏼 pretty quiet for now, only been a few months
Measuring power draw could be pretty difficult. cause even if it looks that all consoles are making the sam thing, there coul be something running at the backgroud for example, which will make things lot different
@@vojtahavelka the other commenter is still correct, 5 to 10 watts is margin of error for power supply and power delivery variance when you're dealing with something in the hundreds of Watts range.
You're also testing the entire system including the power supply. I know they're probably not using the same manufacture for power supply across all PS5 and they can range in efficiencies drastically causing the difference.
Well, on the bright side, you learned some lessons from this. In the future it might be a good idea to try doing all the testing first and THEN take something apart to get a closer look at it, if possible. Still, reflecting on errors is a good thing
A company’s hardware isn’t really a secret to keep , as long as what they advertise matches the item , there’s no secrete there , no matter if they changed dyes or not
Just picked up my PS5 1200 model console yesterday. Thank you for showing us that it's a better model all-in-all. I've moved this console into my man cave and my original 1000 model into my lounge. Looking forward to further gaming and 4K physical media!
@@austinevans you can buy the same liquid metal that Sony uses and they use .8 grams of liquid metal just make shur you spread it even I have not had better or worse results then stock sometimes less then a degree and 1 watt
@@nicholas4839 Austin is right on his approach about thermal testing. Taking the heatsink off disturbs the original mounting pressure, disturbs the thermal putty seal/contact, and changes the liquid metal contact patch. Also you can’t buy whatever liquid metal Sony uses, we don’t know their supplier or the metal composition… Assuming you could acquire the exact same thermal putty, liquid metal, and screw torque specifications and screw tightening order, you would still never get an exact factory replica, would it be close? Yes. But it would not be identical. When you test thermal or wattage draw you want to introduce as few variables as possible, that includes taking the heatsink off.
The hotter PlayStation could actually mean that the heat sink is actually working better, taking all the hotness away from the processor, in a real scientific test you should be able to really measure physically the processor’s temperature.
Happy to have this one honestly. The cf1 1216a. Invited mail by Sony to buy it finally. It was a surprise. In a year of European risk of power outtage due to the war. Every watt counts. It seems the most refined Launch Design PS5. You keep the look but more efficient internals. Before a probably new ps5 slim. It's impressive to go 1nm less for the chip ! I think it's a try before the slim version to see if it's all work.
Out of curiosity, does Xbox have a large difference in power draw when tested console to console. IE: series X to series X or S to S. Or since it being a locked frequency for the soc and ram, is it a more stable power draw across the board?… oh and why haven’t xbox produced a updated version in the time that Sony has done 2 already?
because xbox already uses a smaller chip set than the ps5 does. Xbox delayed their console a bit to wait for the improved amd chipset from the beginning. No revisions needed for the series x. Next year they will probably release a revision though.
Not true. PS5 is getting much easier to get. But prices are not getting better. Your facts that he keeps buying ps5 and hard for others is total bs. I would say a year or 2 you are right. But now you are wrong.
What? As of right now it’s so easy to get one. I went to my local Best Buy and they had multiple in stock and they didn’t sell out. It’s not impossible at all.
Got mine last week nd it's running smooth, no noise no sound, very quiet. Got mine from argos highly recommend you get yours now. I think 1200 is the best version
I don't think newer manufacturing node means cheaper because of size, in chip binning there is always some defect that cause some chips didn't perform as intended, eg. Reaching desired clock speed with designated power target, in this case smaller manufacturing process also have higher failure rate. Either way, I don't believe that Sony is trying to cheaping out to the level of mediocrity. They're improving in every release for sure.
actualy it is cheaper , cpu's /gpu's are made in a way where the dies are all printed onto a circular disk. the smaller the die size the more dies you can print at a time on a single disk of cpu's/gpu's the more you can print on a single disk the less material that get's wasted. this includes less "edge" chips that obviously can't be used as they are not a whole die on the edges , as well as producing more valid dies veruses faulty dies. and the faulty rate defference between 7nm and 6nm almost null , for that matter it's barely much difference between 7nm and 5nm faulty rates. and it actually arguable that fail rate goes down when shrinking the die . smaller die has less heat meaning the chip can with stand more usauge and is less likely to die from heat related issues of a bigger die size.
@@DenverStarkey theoretically, a smaller die size should mean more usable dies assuming the same defects per unit area. If you have the same number of defects per platter, smaller does would mean you get the same number of defective dies, but more non-defective ones. However, being a smaller node means you're likely to have a higher defect per unit area rate, because they will be more sensitive due to smaller feature size. There's a greater chance that defects that wouldn't affect the larger node size will affect the smaller newer one. Still, if that defect rate does not outgrow the increase in chips per platter, you still end up with more usable chips per platter, and therefore an increased profitability.
So, if you clean off all the liquid metal and put it back together using some standard or high end thermal paste would it still perform about the same, better or worse? And what about using low-melt temperature tin-bismuth-silver solder to weld the heatsink directly to the chip, how does it perform then?
@@10100rsn he said the second version of the PS5 runs hotter but don't more heat comes up so it's cool inside I just saying he's wrong and it's pretty obvious how he did not know that
Yes normally new revisions of a console handle power and heat better, I had a ps3 that after a while was over heating, then I bought the super slim and its working too this day. It seems like the first models are normally rushed to market, but with the slim models they have time to fix some troubles.
No necessarily rushed. Merely that there is only so much you can test in a controlled environment. Between improvements to the manufacturing process, new and better components, and the experience of real world usage, as you said can figure out more efficient ways of revising the hardware.
My 1200 ps5 shut down on day 1 after a few hours. I'm returning it tomorrow. If that's the best Sony has then I don't want it and will stick with PC gaming
The smaller chip is known as a node shrink. TSMC has shrunk the node from 7nm to 6nm, which will mean better power efficiency and reduced costs in production.
So this is what Super Man vision sees. Good research and discovery of the difference of the latest PS5 compared to the 1100 PS5. Thank you for all your hard work to figure this out. As it made for an enjoyable and suspenseful watch.
@@Forest9528 In north africa, it is indeed very difficult to get your hands on one, the availability is very scarce and the cost is insanely high, currently selling for $800+.
if you have a few seconds free, have fun connecting those wattmeters in series, one in the other, at the end one plug a small consumer of 50 watts and watch how fun is to read all the wattmeters and how different they show
Oh did they move the coin CMOS battery right under the heatsink to force you to break the liquid metal seal of the APU in order to replace it? That really sucks!
They never spoke about the new models because they don't want people to loose interest in old models and it will make it hard to sell these old stocks because everyone wants new ones.
There's no point in announcing that there's new PS5 chips because it makes no impact on the consumer. The only way 6nm chips matter in the real world is to reduce production costs.
I'm glad I was patient and bought the Model 12. Yes, the technology is cheaper and of course more efficient. I was never waiting for the slim version, just thinking about the pro version. But in the case of the slim version, it is true that the motherboard has become smaller, but I still think that a big fan is needed to dissipate the high heat of the ps5. Once, I put the ps5 upright but upside down, and when I entered the game, I don't think it took even 1 minute. I encountered a high temperature message, so I think it's still too early to shrink ؛ ) But Sony engineers must have a plan for heat dissipation in the slim version
Just FYI. I replaced the liquid metal in a "broken" (overheating) Ps5 with Thermal Grizzly thermal paste. Runs great, we're 3 months in, not a single issue. I got it for free and I did this for science.
I'm still not sure if they all have the same performance. Are they all running at the exact same FPS? Power draw and heat is one thing, but is a benchmark giving the exact same result across the board?
@@ItsAkile Yeah, i know that 6nm is less power hungry and running cooler than 7nm. But still, just mesuring the temperature of the cooler doesn't give enough information if the chip is thermal throtteling or if it's able to run at higher clocks for longer.
@@CookieAdam No what I'm saying is besides the processing node, Silicon quality is also a factor that always exsist. "silicon lottery" consoles are built to last under worst case conditions and these SOCs dont' run anything near the 95-105c range to throttle on average for that to make a big deal. You can have 1-2 frame variant normally but only expect similar performance because thats by design. the one concern was that some memory modes were a bit high at 95c and Sony should to better to cool them, havent seen how newer design fair on that point but the SOC is fine.
The biggest problem with coming out with a slim now is it would have to be a whole new mold for a whole new shell. And knowing Sony they would much rather just keep this information to themselves for the foreseeable future and pretend like they need to keep cranking out these massive cases instead of giving us a nice small case instead. If anything I'd say we're at least a few years away even though clearly they've shrunk the internals easily enough to fit in a much smaller one.
“Chunky” is the new “thing” right now. I mean, look at graphics cards. Plus, getting a big console feels like you’re getting more. It tricks buyers who aren’t as tech smart into thinking the device they bought is “powerful” because it’s big and bulky. It’s like the whole industry is going backwards. Rather than smaller and faster component, we’re going back to big and bulky in some areas.
With no performance numbers this is meaningless, the higher power draw could actually be a better binned chip or better cooling allowing the cpu/gpu to boost higher.
A smaller node does not mean "smaller and cheaper"...it's the same size...it's just less distance between the transistors in the chip, which means less power consumption for the same clock speed or higher clock speed at the same power draw. Also, the smaller the node, the more expensive it typically is to manufacture...so Sony actually pays more for the chip, so that it draws less power This video is really misleading people to think that Sony has put in "a smaller chip" to save costs while increasing the price of the PS5, as you can already see in the comment section. The truth is that they actually paid more for a slightly better chip and thus increased prices.
also remember with amd the cooler the chip runs the more it will boost on its own....its plausible that the 2nd ps5 cooling solution was better or working enough to allow the chip to draw more power and run a higher frequency. im not done with the video yet but how this hasnt comt up yet idk why.....
Second gen console SOC runs hotter because of the heatsink redesign, wattage difference is likely down to the “silicon lottery”, processor dies of the same make and model will have variances in performance and efficiency.
9:40 I do not think the smaller node is cheaper, considering TSMC had a 20% price hike for its chips. Definitely not cheaper, at least on Sony/AMD's side, and I think 7nm and 6nm isn't really different in size on a wafer. It's only cheaper if conditions are met vs previous node: -they can produce more chips per wafer -usable yield per wafer is higher -total average of usable chips per wafer in new node is greater than the old node, and can justify the 20% price hike cost. Then again, the increase in the wafer cost would affect all nodes made in TSMC so it would make sense for AMD/Sony to make it a bit smaller so that they can cram a few more chips in per wafer, and as long as the defect rate of the smaller node isn't worse on the new node, the shift would make sense.
We are long passed the days of smaller nodes being cheaper, that stopped at 45nm. Every time the PS5 node gets smaller now there is a cost increase, the only savings is power draw and heat output so you can use a smaller heatsink or smaller fan
It doesn't really matter which one you keep. If you want more efficient sell the 1100 one. I'm over here trying to decide if I should get the 1200 model my launch model works fine only problem it can't play miles Morales in graphic mode.
@@Andre217 Thanks; I was getting ready to return one and realized I might be able to sell it to someone instead. Great thought. Now I have to figure out which one to keep. I am not a fan of purchasing systems with Games because the games will go down in price, but I haven't been able to purchase a PS5 for two years now and lucked out getting the God of War: Ragnarok Bundle disc (CFI 1215A) and regular disc PS5 (CFI 1115A) in the same week! I used reward points on each to reduce costs and intended to return the God of War bundle till I saw this post on the different versions. Would the 1200 or 1100 versions play Miles Morales in graphic mode?
@@ThatLennyBoi Lol no it's not, the ps4 slim was superior in almost every way compared to standard ps4. Smaller, cooler, quieter with the exact same performance.
@@ThatLennyBoi taking away performance? The fuck are you saying?🤣 The chip is smaller, so it needs less power to achieve the same result as the older model🤷
Damn that’s crazy. Too bad they don’t care to solve their availability problem. Meanwhile I’ve been seeing the Series X in store lately. Would love to have both consoles, but Sony dropped the ball BIG time with their production.
They should send the 1100's to were I live because we have cheap hydro electric power and send the 1200's to some place where the power savings would actually make your electric bill cheaper.
Can you please do this with Xbox series X? I have one but I want to see if there is any difference between the year ( I don’t know if they make other models)
I'm surprised that there isn't a PS5 Slim already with the new smaller motherboard. On the other hand, you guys should totally make a custom slim model!
What if actually 1100 version is experiment to making pro while 1200 they experiment for making ps5 slim? Maybe 1300 version testing for making ps5 pro updated chip 6mm
it's not that complicated, 1200 is 6nm and 1000 and 1100 are 7nm. maybe their yields were bad during covid so they lowered their baseline to accommodate more chips that wouldn't have otherwise passed while increasing power and cooling.
Why would Sony take this down? They’re just opening it up, and them moving to a 6nm chip has been confirmed elsewhere - it’s not like a leaked game or something
Doing so would invalidate any thermal testing they did later - it's explained somewhere in the video. But if you remove the heat sink, you won't be able to guarantee that the liquid metal is applied in the same was as it is from factory.
It seems so easy to buy a ps5 anywhere when you wanted to a test, you could always get one. Here it's still a 5 min pre-order per batch and scalped pricing anywhere else. Great discovery though. At least I have to make sure I buy the new model. Thank you so much for this content!
I just paid €523 for the ragnarok digital edition. I kinda hoped the price would be lower than launch. The disc version in Ireland (retail) at this time, Jan 2023 is €600+!!!
Here in Belgium it seems I can only get bundles that start at €650 these days. Think I'm gonna wait for a price drop or for the release of the PS5 Slim, I'm in no hurry to be honest.
@@50-50_Grind wow that's expensive, definitely worth sitting on it for a while, I bet the prices will drop when / if they come out with the slim. I read a rumour article that said the slim/pro will be liquid cooled and have improved performance. I doubt that but who knows!
This is nothing new. Happens every generation and every model. Even back in the PS3 days there were revisions, refinements, and improvements to the fat models between the launch 20/60 gig versions, the later 40gig one, and lastly the 80gig one before even more refinements with the Slim model. Even with the original PS1 you could see improvements and simplifications to the motherboard by the second batch of consoles. Iterating and revising is just a normal aspect of hardware production.
@@whole_caveman_or_lions_den Oh, I meant as in "I didn't know consoles were revised even when there isn't a new model like a Slim" but it's great to know! :o
@@MegaRayland Oh, I see! I didn't know this was the case :O I genuinely thought the only revisions came with the Slim model of the consoles! (And the Pros in the case of the PS4 and Xbox One 😅)
Manufacturers need to make it very clear to the customers about the different changes in the revisions they do. In my opinion, ok you as a company make a revision to a product. The customers need to know the changes between the revisions. Why hide these statistics as well? For example, Austin produced a bag for their viewers and sold it as revision 1. They then try to enhance the product in revision 2 by adding new pockets, new high quality zippers. So the customers need to be made aware of the changes between the revisions.
Lmao how many people do you think would care/understand about this technical changes. There's no difference in the output on the screen. Most console gamers are casuals who only need to know how to turn on the system and play their games.
It’d be great if they communicated it, but I doubt the majority of users would care. One of the worse 1200 models might still consume more power than one of the better 1000, and even between units of the SAME revision you’ll find different fans due to Sony using different suppliers for some components
Austin was one of the first to receive a new PS5 on UA-cam, so that in a month he would say that there was a new chip, which everyone had known for a long time =)
11:25 well no, because the actual ps4 and xbox one S were using like 80 watts going from 28nm to 16nm. You would need to go to 5nm instead of just going from 7 to 6 and only dropping 10% power draw.
All the consoles do this. Ps2 has like 5 revisions before the slim came out. PS3 too, PS4 even had one model with physical on/off, eject buttons instead of touch before de slim too.
Ive got the 1000 Model over ebay because in eu (maybe only my region) theres no way to order a ps5 So i paid 480€ for a console with 1 year warranty so i think its a pretty good deal. A new one costs about 700-900€.
@@BARON.SAMEDI. Hi das ist natürlich eine geile Sache! 😊 Lieber den Spatz in der Hand als die Taube auf dem Dach würde ich mal sagen 😁 Hätte ich auch gemacht, traue der Vorbestellungsgeschichte nicht mehr😅 Aber gut hab meine vor dieser Aktion gekauft, läuft wie ne 1 aber wäre natürlich deutlich besser wenns die Revision 1200 gewesen wäre wegen dem geringeren Stromverbrauch🥲
@@BARON.SAMEDI. was it with a bundle ? There’s no way the ps5 costs that much 💀 I got mine from the website PlayStation from France ragnarok Edition with Disc for 639€ a week ago
@@chester9718 I bought it also one week ago but on German eBay. Looked for brand new condition (box sealed, not opened) the cheapest price...but to be honest I had zero clue about the versions 1000, 1100,..and 1200. After I received it I gave it immediately to my son...and he was amazed that I bought the newest version. BTW, over here in Germany you can get for that price only the digital version..
@@Denniz69 ich kenne mich gar nicht aus. Bin 52...und mein Sohn 31 ist der Profi . Selber zero Ahnung gehabt, was ich überhaupt gekauft habe . Traurig aber war. Er sagte mir gerade , dass die Maschine in Sparmodus in Abwesenheit sich selber nach paar Minuten ausschaltet. Manchmal sind die First Gen. Sachen besser und langlebiger,...manchmal sind aber die 2-3 Generation Sachen besser... Aber wie gesagt Konsolen sind mir Fremde Welten.🤭
I really like seeing the PS5 motherboard. The PCB layout is done differently to what you see with a PC motherboard and ends up looking really quite high-end as PCBs go.
you are aware previouse consoles like the phat ps4 and phat ps3 also had similar stuff happen multiple revisions before slim models came out this revision stuff isnt new
I really appreciate when you bought a new ps5 1100 model to check if your Playstation (1100) are being more watts usage and it was !
Yeah, the most informative part of this video was that it showed what impact the "Silicon Lottery" can have!
@@TecraX2 it was really stupid that he didn't just open one up.
@@RetroBacon1 Or at least Googled it, even I knew Sony had switched to 6nm process with their latest revision. But I didn't know that there could be such a big discrepancy in power draw between different units within the same revision!
@@TecraX2 that's true!
Why is that since it was lower 1 year ago.
It all makes sense. Every time they make a revision, they use a newer chip that is more efficient meeting their same specs.
We all make mistakes, Austin. In this case you made a honest one. Personally, I loved seeing you stick to your thought and see it through. Keep it up 👍
It just effect people who could buy 1100 back in 2021 but then saw that video and skip it. 😂😂😂😂 no real lost because people still hunting ps5 for years.
i joined sony's queue in july and ordered mine in september
@@NamelessPassenger Ya, that's true 😅
@@beckergrey Ive had numerous chances to buy a Ps5, its even in stores here. I don't see the point over getting that overhyped thing since it has no games and is weaker than PC or Series X. On top of that I hate the Toxic Sony community and Delusional Ponies. Nobody's hunting either anymore.
@@VonDutchNL wow, you must live under a rock.
Also, the reason why Sony likely didn't just make a "slim" console now is because they've already got molds for their current design and likely have already manufactured tons and tons of the existing shells. Also, from what I'm hearing it sounds like Sony is going to completely revamp the PS5 again next year to convert it from two SKUs into just one with a separate detachable blu-ray drive which can easily be added in later. This will likely become the PS5 "slim" version and will likely become the version most associated with the system if they then stick with that design even for 2 years because the sales will likely be much higher than these past two years given all the shortages which only just NOW seem to be coming to an end.
Also the slim Ps4 and xbox one S went from 200+ watts and 28nm to 16nm and using 80 watts. this is barely any power reduction, they need to wait for 5nm which they wont be doing any time soon.
Can't wait for the new PS5 Slim design and improvements.
@@WayStedYou stop overexaggerating. Launch models of PS4 and Xbox One used 120W at max. That’s nowhere near the 200W of XSX/PS5.
Also power supply is not equal to power draw.
This man predicted the new PS5
bra predicted it
I don't see any mistakes, you have money, curiosity and the power to discover things, so im glad you did all of this 😂
and brought us along for the ride
Yes
I don't see any mistakes, you have money, curiosity and the power to discover things, so im glad you did all of this 😂
@@Theunicorn2012 copy paste 🤣
it was a mistake but he probably recouped the losses from the ad revenue
considering sony had problems with supply, makes sense that they lowered the standard for the binning.
exactly this
@@austinevans no
@@wafflebell Yes
@@dericjames2018 no
@@wafflebell ratio
So Sony has managed to reduce cost with a smaller chip and heat sink but still increase the price...
Wafers are more expensive than previously as TSMC has increased prices. Yes they can fit more chips to the wafer but i doubt they are paying any less per chip.
They increase the price everywhere but North américa, so, what's the problem if You don't Will pay more?, Thats a problem for other countrys
@@killermatico27 Not North America, Only in the USA because of the stability of their currency.
Price was still increased for Canada.
@purppinkdeth price if everything isn't increasing stop making excuses for Sony
@@3DJLab TSMC hasn't increased older nodes prices like 7nm or 6nm, only top of line nodes like 3nm, 4nm and 5nm, you are gobling up sony marketing lies like a good console fan, while everything else including GPU, CPU, RAMs is dropping in price..
I can't wait to see what the slim version would look like and how much smaller it would be.
Glad to know that the 1200 is the best version as well 👍🏼
Yeah, if not another comes out. Like 1300 xD with only 150 Watts xD
Get dem Kids a Slim version as if they pick their ps5 up for a walk all day.and get real people a ps5 pro that csn finaly play 4 k cause ps5 is outdated
If you haven’t seen it, DIY perks made his own slim and it’s gorgeous
@@danteortega6510 I bet it's cooling is trash and will damage internals. There is a function and purpose behind the size of the ps5. This systems pack serious hardware that require excellent cooling solutions.
@@alexv5581 nah he basically just removed the power brick, which defeats the purpose because the power brick takes up just as much apace so was a bit pointless
@9:26 If you REALLY pay attention to the pins in the side-by-side comparison, the pins on the 1200 are much closer together than on the 1000. That does imply that the die size is different.
Exactly
The fact that you never lay the 3 models out in release order from left to right sets my OCD off the rails!
I think this video is good as it is, Austin really pushes the quality and pushes what he can do, always. And sometimes that leads him to be super hard and critical on himself. I like this. Good work Austin.
I love these videos haha. Austin and his friends has an amazing energy.
Someone has already made a slim, water cooled PS5. Its was one of the best projects i’ve seen this year on youtube.
It makes perfect sense. Its a revised SOC on a new process node. Bringing reduced power draw and thus. Reduced thermal output. Just like the PS4 slim and Xbox one S
nowhere near the ps4 slim and xbox one S they went from 28nm to 16nm and went from 200w to 80 watts
1200 model user here.
The machine is so quiet, I have to put my ear against it to hear something, this is while playing Ragnarok or MWII at 4k 60 HDR with surround.
I was disappointed with their second model (1100) as it was too loud and for me it ruins the surround sound when playing in low volumes.
The 1200 is quiet like a mouse so no worries.
If you are not sure what version you got you can see the difference right away when you open the M.2 SSD slot in your PS5.
You'll see metal underneath the M.2 slot if you got the superior 1200 model.
Cheers!
I got to say though, It's a good machine but I'm still getting a PS5 pro when it's released.
1100 isn’t louder it just has a different fan, they use 3 different fans. It’s just luck which one you get
I had a 1000 release console, I was playing FF16 and the console kept overheating and powering off.
I recently got a new one and tried to get the most recent. I got a CFI-1215B 01X. And wow.. the graphics looks smoother and it's a lot less hot when playing 6+ hours...
I suggest that anyone that wants to get a PS5. To get the most recent bundles they released so you get the newest 6mm chip and the heatsink. Instead of getting a used one and risking it to be one of the first versions.
Really glad I didn't get killed on launch day trying to get a PS5 💀
Makes sense with the price increase for the PS5, pass the development cost along, all while being cheaper to produce and making record profits.
I guess y'all console players like being scammed lol, a console that costs less to produce and after 2 years got a price increase
so Sony being scummy? Nothing new to announce.
the Euro just got weaker same for the british pound
@@thunderarch5951 I mean, GPU prices increased like 150% simply because of cryptomining. So PC bros got a much more significant price increase on even older hardware. It's only recently prices have dropped back down.
@@thunderarch5951 since when is PC building not a scam these days... Gaming is so mainstream now it's all a scam.
for just being a Singaporean electronic 2nd year engineer student who knows basic stuff about circuitry I think the 1200 model APU circuitry is much more optimized for power usage such as lesser copper lines used for more optimization and lesser errors and probably newer transistors used in the APU for optimal power and also firmware
ok i have only this question
do u think the 1200 model is the best one?
Thanks for doing all these tests with all the models. Appreciated mate! Hopefully we, who didn't buy it yet, are getting the best one later.
So is the newest one the bad or good? I just got 2 of the 1200s debating between keeping or not
@@pmwcgaming did you watch the whole video?
@@ataparag232 now I have 😂 I’m still holding mine lol still brand new waiting for Christmas to see the beautiful prices 🫣
@@pmwcgaming how are they? Do they have coil whine?
@@albertalberto2288 opened mine and started using it a couple days after Christmas, my brother and I have one and we’ve been using them with PS5 games and so far we haven’t heard anything! 🤟🏼 pretty quiet for now, only been a few months
Measuring power draw could be pretty difficult. cause even if it looks that all consoles are making the sam thing, there coul be something running at the backgroud for example, which will make things lot different
But that's the thing with consoles unlike PCs It's all the same. Same background app same OS etc.
@@rapt0rzz not at all. If I measure all of my ps3s which are the same version, they are different between -5 to +10w
@@vojtahavelka the other commenter is still correct, 5 to 10 watts is margin of error for power supply and power delivery variance when you're dealing with something in the hundreds of Watts range.
You're also testing the entire system including the power supply. I know they're probably not using the same manufacture for power supply across all PS5 and they can range in efficiencies drastically causing the difference.
Exactly. Even the fat PS3 models used different power supplies between the launch models and later the revisions with the 40 & 80 gig models.
It's pretty cool thinking about how the launch PS3 was 90Nm, and later got a shrink to 60Nm. That was a long time ago now. :)
Please don't remind us about this, it scares me now that have the 1100
@@moonlalune8003 as long as you are happy with it theres no problem, and as you seen, every console is different
I was really looking forward to this video! Congratulations on your courage and commitment to your subscribers!
Well, on the bright side, you learned some lessons from this. In the future it might be a good idea to try doing all the testing first and THEN take something apart to get a closer look at it, if possible.
Still, reflecting on errors is a good thing
A company’s hardware isn’t really a secret to keep , as long as what they advertise matches the item , there’s no secrete there , no matter if they changed dyes or not
Just picked up my PS5 1200 model console yesterday. Thank you for showing us that it's a better model all-in-all. I've moved this console into my man cave and my original 1000 model into my lounge. Looking forward to further gaming and 4K physical media!
Was it the god of war bundle?
@@-_-Manic_Rob-_- No, just the standard disc version, console and remote. Cost me $799 AUD for that.
Wich one is more quiet?
Just got mine from Walmart 1 month ago 1200 model 500 dlls
@@darkknightlight Congrats it should have better fanning / cooling than the earlier models👍👍
What amazes me is how little power all 3 draw for the performance they give out. Try and get a PC to draw less than 300w to run a game at 4k 120 fps
You can take the liquid metal off with a cuetip and put new liquid metal on it and it will work just fine
sure but I wouldn't want to do thermal/power testing at that point. What if I applied more/less/different brand of liquid metal?
@@austinevans you can buy the same liquid metal that Sony uses and they use .8 grams of liquid metal just make shur you spread it even I have not had better or worse results then stock sometimes less then a degree and 1 watt
@@austinevans Do the testing before you take it apart? like you already did?
@@nicholas4839 Austin is right on his approach about thermal testing. Taking the heatsink off disturbs the original mounting pressure, disturbs the thermal putty seal/contact, and changes the liquid metal contact patch. Also you can’t buy whatever liquid metal Sony uses, we don’t know their supplier or the metal composition… Assuming you could acquire the exact same thermal putty, liquid metal, and screw torque specifications and screw tightening order, you would still never get an exact factory replica, would it be close? Yes. But it would not be identical. When you test thermal or wattage draw you want to introduce as few variables as possible, that includes taking the heatsink off.
Thank you for adding subtitles to the videos, I just watched this while plugged to a work call I didn't need to pay attention to. LOL
The hotter PlayStation could actually mean that the heat sink is actually working better, taking all the hotness away from the processor, in a real scientific test you should be able to really measure physically the processor’s temperature.
Yeah someone did a test on the cfi-1100 that it actually cool the cpu better
@@21GamesBosscan you pleae gimme the source for this mate? thanks in advance!
Happy to have this one honestly. The cf1 1216a. Invited mail by Sony to buy it finally. It was a surprise. In a year of European risk of power outtage due to the war. Every watt counts. It seems the most refined Launch Design PS5. You keep the look but more efficient internals. Before a probably new ps5 slim. It's impressive to go 1nm less for the chip ! I think it's a try before the slim version to see if it's all work.
I just got mine today. How does it run on games like GOW and HFW? And is it quiet or do you hear coil whine?
@@MissxLariz I got the same one, I hear coil whine during graphically intensive gaming but that's completely normal
Out of curiosity, does Xbox have a large difference in power draw when tested console to console. IE: series X to series X or S to S. Or since it being a locked frequency for the soc and ram, is it a more stable power draw across the board?… oh and why haven’t xbox produced a updated version in the time that Sony has done 2 already?
because xbox already uses a smaller chip set than the ps5 does. Xbox delayed their console a bit to wait for the improved amd chipset from the beginning. No revisions needed for the series x. Next year they will probably release a revision though.
What a rollercoaster 😂
I like how Austin just keeps buying new PS5s all the time while for everyone else they're still impossible to find.
It's not impossible. You don't have friends.
Not true.
PS5 is getting much easier to get.
But prices are not getting better.
Your facts that he keeps buying ps5 and hard for others is total bs.
I would say a year or 2 you are right.
But now you are wrong.
well he has a lot of money so i guess i mean i have a lot of money to but still can't find one either
@@Astro1554 I can buy one right now.
I can buy a few right now.
I can sell you one for 3 grand. xD
Jokes aside.
I have no issues finding them.
What? As of right now it’s so easy to get one. I went to my local Best Buy and they had multiple in stock and they didn’t sell out. It’s not impossible at all.
Got mine last week nd it's running smooth, no noise no sound, very quiet. Got mine from argos highly recommend you get yours now. I think 1200 is the best version
I don't think newer manufacturing node means cheaper because of size, in chip binning there is always some defect that cause some chips didn't perform as intended, eg. Reaching desired clock speed with designated power target, in this case smaller manufacturing process also have higher failure rate. Either way, I don't believe that Sony is trying to cheaping out to the level of mediocrity. They're improving in every release for sure.
actualy it is cheaper , cpu's /gpu's are made in a way where the dies are all printed onto a circular disk. the smaller the die size the more dies you can print at a time on a single disk of cpu's/gpu's the more you can print on a single disk the less material that get's wasted. this includes less "edge" chips that obviously can't be used as they are not a whole die on the edges , as well as producing more valid dies veruses faulty dies.
and the faulty rate defference between 7nm and 6nm almost null , for that matter it's barely much difference between 7nm and 5nm faulty rates. and it actually arguable that fail rate goes down when shrinking the die . smaller die has less heat meaning the chip can with stand more usauge and is less likely to die from heat related issues of a bigger die size.
@@DenverStarkey theoretically, a smaller die size should mean more usable dies assuming the same defects per unit area. If you have the same number of defects per platter, smaller does would mean you get the same number of defective dies, but more non-defective ones.
However, being a smaller node means you're likely to have a higher defect per unit area rate, because they will be more sensitive due to smaller feature size. There's a greater chance that defects that wouldn't affect the larger node size will affect the smaller newer one.
Still, if that defect rate does not outgrow the increase in chips per platter, you still end up with more usable chips per platter, and therefore an increased profitability.
TSMC who makes the chips: its cheaper to do it this way
Commentor: I dont think soooooooooo
@@WayStedYou that was my thoughts exactly and why i posted what i did. if there was a cheaper way to do it , they'd be doing it that way.
May mean better yield, but a smaller node usually means higher cost
Did you swap around the KillaWatts to make sure there wasn't significant variance in their calibrations?
So, if you clean off all the liquid metal and put it back together using some standard or high end thermal paste would it still perform about the same, better or worse? And what about using low-melt temperature tin-bismuth-silver solder to weld the heatsink directly to the chip, how does it perform then?
They could have just put more liquid metal on it you can buy liquid metal for your system
@@bakerrr925 That's not the point. The point was to compare performance without liquid metal.
@@10100rsn he said the second version of the PS5 runs hotter but don't more heat comes up so it's cool inside I just saying he's wrong and it's pretty obvious how he did not know that
Check some vids from tronicsfix , I believe he tested it and it ran worse
Yes normally new revisions of a console handle power and heat better, I had a ps3 that after a while was over heating, then I bought the super slim and its working too this day. It seems like the first models are normally rushed to market, but with the slim models they have time to fix some troubles.
No necessarily rushed. Merely that there is only so much you can test in a controlled environment. Between improvements to the manufacturing process, new and better components, and the experience of real world usage, as you said can figure out more efficient ways of revising the hardware.
My 1200 ps5 shut down on day 1 after a few hours. I'm returning it tomorrow. If that's the best Sony has then I don't want it and will stick with PC gaming
N6 is not 6nm it’s 3rd gen 7nm which is equivalent to Intels 10. It’s the same process but 20% more dense because it’s EUV instead of DUV
Nerd
nerd
Sony still dont want nobody to see that chip. Thats soooo dope how its even blocked out in the x-ray.
Genuine question with it having a smaller chip will that impact performance in gaming negatively?
No.
No
The specs are the same its just the transistors now take less space since they are small
The smaller chip is known as a node shrink. TSMC has shrunk the node from 7nm to 6nm, which will mean better power efficiency and reduced costs in production.
@@Gamevet shrinking node process increases cost*
So this is what Super Man vision sees. Good research and discovery of the difference of the latest PS5 compared to the 1100 PS5. Thank you for all your hard work to figure this out. As it made for an enjoyable and suspenseful watch.
they had a month to dissasemble heatsink and mobo and failed in such an easy task. truly a professional grade vid
If you took the heatsink off, you would invalidate old test data.
It is so hard to buy one but you guys got so many of them. 😭
Bruh it's not hard anymore
@@Forest9528 It is in Europe.
@@johntitor. Not according to the people I know in Ireland and the UK. Literally walked into a store and walked out with one.
Literally checked yesterday on playstation direct and you can buy it right now
@@Forest9528 In north africa, it is indeed very difficult to get your hands on one, the availability is very scarce and the cost is insanely high, currently selling for $800+.
if you have a few seconds free, have fun connecting those wattmeters in series, one in the other, at the end one plug a small consumer of 50 watts and watch how fun is to read all the wattmeters and how different they show
for me ist the 1100 the best Consol.
The BIOS battery is not under the cooler and that is crucial for me and I think it also has more power.
Oh did they move the coin CMOS battery right under the heatsink to force you to break the liquid metal seal of the APU in order to replace it? That really sucks!
Wow why did Sony keep this a secret
Could be to combat hackers maybe
Well apple's been doing the same thing for years
They never spoke about the new models because they don't want people to loose interest in old models and it will make it hard to sell these old stocks because everyone wants new ones.
There's no point in announcing that there's new PS5 chips because it makes no impact on the consumer. The only way 6nm chips matter in the real world is to reduce production costs.
Why do they need to disclose such an unnecessary information?
Please do a chip specs comparison video for all models want to know if all chips specs are the same.
I'm glad I was patient and bought the Model 12. Yes, the technology is cheaper and of course more efficient. I was never waiting for the slim version, just thinking about the pro version. But in the case of the slim version, it is true that the motherboard has become smaller, but I still think that a big fan is needed to dissipate the high heat of the ps5. Once, I put the ps5 upright but upside down, and when I entered the game, I don't think it took even 1 minute. I encountered a high temperature message, so I think it's still too early to shrink ؛ ) But Sony engineers must have a plan for heat dissipation in the slim version
Does this effect the performance tho?
As an 1100 owner these always make me sad lol
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Seeing your name and ps5 "owner" makes me sad
Just FYI. I replaced the liquid metal in a "broken" (overheating) Ps5 with Thermal Grizzly thermal paste. Runs great, we're 3 months in, not a single issue. I got it for free and I did this for science.
Liquid metal is hard to remove after it cured or dried on the die.
I'm still not sure if they all have the same performance. Are they all running at the exact same FPS? Power draw and heat is one thing, but is a benchmark giving the exact same result across the board?
yes there the same performance you are aware the ps4 phat had multiple revisions and the newer revision of ps4 phat used less power than the original
@@zodiark2456 just wanted to make sure, because i was wondering the whole time
Yes, they do the same things but the energy cost do said thing is different. always been the case but running at higher clocks accentuate that I guess
@@ItsAkile Yeah, i know that 6nm is less power hungry and running cooler than 7nm. But still, just mesuring the temperature of the cooler doesn't give enough information if the chip is thermal throtteling or if it's able to run at higher clocks for longer.
@@CookieAdam No what I'm saying is besides the processing node, Silicon quality is also a factor that always exsist. "silicon lottery" consoles are built to last under worst case conditions and these SOCs dont' run anything near the 95-105c range to throttle on average for that to make a big deal. You can have 1-2 frame variant normally but only expect similar performance because thats by design. the one concern was that some memory modes were a bit high at 95c and Sony should to better to cool them, havent seen how newer design fair on that point but the SOC is fine.
what will happen if you put the 1000 heatsink on the 1200 ?????
Not possible
Is there any difference with the disk version? Cause I just got the 1100 model
Same thing as Digital
What is the best slice? The old at 1000 and 1100 or the new at 1200?
Right!
The biggest problem with coming out with a slim now is it would have to be a whole new mold for a whole new shell. And knowing Sony they would much rather just keep this information to themselves for the foreseeable future and pretend like they need to keep cranking out these massive cases instead of giving us a nice small case instead. If anything I'd say we're at least a few years away even though clearly they've shrunk the internals easily enough to fit in a much smaller one.
“Chunky” is the new “thing” right now. I mean, look at graphics cards. Plus, getting a big console feels like you’re getting more. It tricks buyers who aren’t as tech smart into thinking the device they bought is “powerful” because it’s big and bulky. It’s like the whole industry is going backwards. Rather than smaller and faster component, we’re going back to big and bulky in some areas.
More like cheaper for them to use up all of the original body first than drop a new one
“A few years away” a PS5 Slim is all but confirmed to come next year.
@@earthinthecomments4944 it would need to be on 5nm to be worth it, the xbox one S and ps4 slim went from 200watts to 80 watts going from 28nm to 16nm
@@_Livid_ larger typically means better airflow and cooling.
What's the performance difference between the two? 👀
Like frame rate drops or rendering speed, etc.
With no performance numbers this is meaningless, the higher power draw could actually be a better binned chip or better cooling allowing the cpu/gpu to boost higher.
A smaller node does not mean "smaller and cheaper"...it's the same size...it's just less distance between the transistors in the chip, which means less power consumption for the same clock speed or higher clock speed at the same power draw.
Also, the smaller the node, the more expensive it typically is to manufacture...so Sony actually pays more for the chip, so that it draws less power
This video is really misleading people to think that Sony has put in "a smaller chip" to save costs while increasing the price of the PS5, as you can already see in the comment section.
The truth is that they actually paid more for a slightly better chip and thus increased prices.
also remember with amd the cooler the chip runs the more it will boost on its own....its plausible that the 2nd ps5 cooling solution was better or working enough to allow the chip to draw more power and run a higher frequency. im not done with the video yet but how this hasnt comt up yet idk why.....
Interesting.
Second gen console SOC runs hotter because of the heatsink redesign, wattage difference is likely down to the “silicon lottery”, processor dies of the same make and model will have variances in performance and efficiency.
Also interesting.
9:33 when Austin said smoking gun, someone shot a gun in my neighborhood
I think this was worth it! Now I'm curious to know how my ps5 performs! Lol. Don't have the tools to measure tho.
Is there a difference in performance or the same thing and new and better؟
9:40 I do not think the smaller node is cheaper, considering TSMC had a 20% price hike for its chips. Definitely not cheaper, at least on Sony/AMD's side, and I think 7nm and 6nm isn't really different in size on a wafer.
It's only cheaper if conditions are met vs previous node:
-they can produce more chips per wafer
-usable yield per wafer is higher
-total average of usable chips per wafer in new node is greater than the old node, and can justify the 20% price hike cost.
Then again, the increase in the wafer cost would affect all nodes made in TSMC so it would make sense for AMD/Sony to make it a bit smaller so that they can cram a few more chips in per wafer, and as long as the defect rate of the smaller node isn't worse on the new node, the shift would make sense.
We are long passed the days of smaller nodes being cheaper, that stopped at 45nm. Every time the PS5 node gets smaller now there is a cost increase, the only savings is power draw and heat output so you can use a smaller heatsink or smaller fan
1/5th smaller there was 7+ inbetween. nm is not true size.
Austin evans being a Ps5ologist checking the xrays
I can confirm the Gods of War: Ragnarok PS5 Disc is the CFI 1215A model. So does it matter if you have the CFI 1115A? I am deciding which one to keep.
It doesn't really matter which one you keep. If you want more efficient sell the 1100 one. I'm over here trying to decide if I should get the 1200 model my launch model works fine only problem it can't play miles Morales in graphic mode.
@@Andre217 Thanks; I was getting ready to return one and realized I might be able to sell it to someone instead. Great thought. Now I have to figure out which one to keep. I am not a fan of purchasing systems with Games because the games will go down in price, but I haven't been able to purchase a PS5 for two years now and lucked out getting the God of War: Ragnarok Bundle disc (CFI 1215A) and regular disc PS5 (CFI 1115A) in the same week! I used reward points on each to reduce costs and intended to return the God of War bundle till I saw this post on the different versions. Would the 1200 or 1100 versions play Miles Morales in graphic mode?
The reason they have been making these suble changes is so they can test inside the ps5 slim
By taking away performance? A slim is always a downgraded version.
@@ThatLennyBoi Lol no it's not, the ps4 slim was superior in almost every way compared to standard ps4. Smaller, cooler, quieter with the exact same performance.
@@ThatLennyBoi taking away performance? The fuck are you saying?🤣
The chip is smaller, so it needs less power to achieve the same result as the older model🤷
@@marcomilan3738 Alright smart ass.
@@marcomilan3738 the slim don’t support 4k chief. That’s kinda a downgrade
The video has crazy effort put into it!
Unreal!
Damn that’s crazy. Too bad they don’t care to solve their availability problem. Meanwhile I’ve been seeing the Series X in store lately. Would love to have both consoles, but Sony dropped the ball BIG time with their production.
Are you that uncultured to understand what's going on with the ps5 and availability?
Gamestop and Walmart has had PS5s recently.
@@dericjames2018 not everyone lives in the US buddy
@@Gunsmoke2220 Makes sense it's getting easier here but in the US but hopefully it improves worldwide.
@@dericjames2018 yh me too man
My PS5 model says 1125 so does that mean it's a revision from the 1100 model ?
i just would be happy to buy a ps5! i am still playing and stuck with the ps4 lol, i hope one day germany/austria can get some ps5.
They should send the 1100's to were I live because we have cheap hydro electric power and send the 1200's to some place where the power savings would actually make your electric bill cheaper.
*This video is the reason for PS5 shortage*
where is part 3 austin??? where part 3???
Can you please do this with Xbox series X? I have one but I want to see if there is any difference between the year ( I don’t know if they make other models)
The newer ones have a couple more ventilation holes on the back. Other than that, I'm not sure there are any differences.
i like that you are raw, never stop
I'm surprised that there isn't a PS5 Slim already with the new smaller motherboard. On the other hand, you guys should totally make a custom slim model!
Probably planning on a slim model next year once the supply of the new chip keeps consistently good
What if actually 1100 version is experiment to making pro while 1200 they experiment for making ps5 slim? Maybe 1300 version testing for making ps5 pro updated chip 6mm
They would need 5nm to do a proper slim or pro.
The die size would be massive on a pro with 6nm and extra compute units
it's not that complicated, 1200 is 6nm and 1000 and 1100 are 7nm. maybe their yields were bad during covid so they lowered their baseline to accommodate more chips that wouldn't have otherwise passed while increasing power and cooling.
Are you sure ray racing mode on the 1200 was either turned off or on to match the other two or vice-versa where the other two not turned on
Sony hates everytime someone digs too deep
im surprised sony didnt take down this video
@@Tmztal786 only a couple hours old wait till it circulates more
Why would Sony take this down? They’re just opening it up, and them moving to a 6nm chip has been confirmed elsewhere - it’s not like a leaked game or something
@@Tmztal786 Why would they? they havent taken anyone elses videos down doing the same thing for years.
Why didn't they take the heat shield off and just x-ray the bare board?
Doing so would invalidate any thermal testing they did later - it's explained somewhere in the video. But if you remove the heat sink, you won't be able to guarantee that the liquid metal is applied in the same was as it is from factory.
@@TacohMann Yup. You would also break the original thermal putty seal/contact patch, and disrupt the original mounting pressure distribution.
It seems so easy to buy a ps5 anywhere when you wanted to a test, you could always get one. Here it's still a 5 min pre-order per batch and scalped pricing anywhere else. Great discovery though. At least I have to make sure I buy the new model. Thank you so much for this content!
1200 series isn't being sold in USA yet so I would wait. Sony is still clearing out the 1100 series as confirmed by amazon and other retailers.
@@jamesleason4004 I would also have to watch out for when the ps5 is regularly available here in my country. good luck to us! lol
I just paid €523 for the ragnarok digital edition. I kinda hoped the price would be lower than launch. The disc version in Ireland (retail) at this time, Jan 2023 is €600+!!!
Here in Belgium it seems I can only get bundles that start at €650 these days.
Think I'm gonna wait for a price drop or for the release of the PS5 Slim, I'm in no hurry to be honest.
@@50-50_Grind wow that's expensive, definitely worth sitting on it for a while, I bet the prices will drop when / if they come out with the slim. I read a rumour article that said the slim/pro will be liquid cooled and have improved performance. I doubt that but who knows!
I'm impressed by Sony actually making improvements to the PS5!
why? they've made revisions of all their consoles, all of them improving something (except for dropping the PS2 BC on the fat PS3)
Or improving profitability. 🙃
This is nothing new. Happens every generation and every model. Even back in the PS3 days there were revisions, refinements, and improvements to the fat models between the launch 20/60 gig versions, the later 40gig one, and lastly the 80gig one before even more refinements with the Slim model.
Even with the original PS1 you could see improvements and simplifications to the motherboard by the second batch of consoles. Iterating and revising is just a normal aspect of hardware production.
@@whole_caveman_or_lions_den Oh, I meant as in "I didn't know consoles were revised even when there isn't a new model like a Slim" but it's great to know! :o
@@MegaRayland Oh, I see! I didn't know this was the case :O I genuinely thought the only revisions came with the Slim model of the consoles! (And the Pros in the case of the PS4 and Xbox One 😅)
Imagine if the 1200 model(2022 version) might be phototype for upcoming PS5 slim for their testing.
Manufacturers need to make it very clear to the customers about the different changes in the revisions they do. In my opinion, ok you as a company make a revision to a product. The customers need to know the changes between the revisions. Why hide these statistics as well?
For example, Austin produced a bag for their viewers and sold it as revision 1. They then try to enhance the product in revision 2 by adding new pockets, new high quality zippers. So the customers need to be made aware of the changes between the revisions.
Lmao how many people do you think would care/understand about this technical changes. There's no difference in the output on the screen. Most console gamers are casuals who only need to know how to turn on the system and play their games.
It’d be great if they communicated it, but I doubt the majority of users would care. One of the worse 1200 models might still consume more power than one of the better 1000, and even between units of the SAME revision you’ll find different fans due to Sony using different suppliers for some components
yo austin i saw you at Frank & sons! like a couple of days ago!
Austin was one of the first to receive a new PS5 on UA-cam, so that in a month he would say that there was a new chip, which everyone had known for a long time =)
What for?
@@RomanDenisov0703 its a scam
11:25 well no, because the actual ps4 and xbox one S were using like 80 watts going from 28nm to 16nm.
You would need to go to 5nm instead of just going from 7 to 6 and only dropping 10% power draw.
This is the only console rhat changed 3 times but didnt have a pro or xl version
edit:ALRIGHT FINE I GET IT HUT I WAS COMPARING IT TO NEW GEN CONSOLES
At this point its a failure console
Ugly design ,cheaper chip , smaller heat sink , raising price , giving exlusives to pc...)
@@Gamerhopper Still selling better than flopBox
wrong ps3 went thru 3 revisions before slim you clearly have no idea what your talking about
All the consoles do this. Ps2 has like 5 revisions before the slim came out. PS3 too, PS4 even had one model with physical on/off, eject buttons instead of touch before de slim too.
@@neomaxmlc that dosent make sense im not trying to compare, im talking about the ps5 ,wtf
Ive got the 1000 Model over ebay because in eu (maybe only my region) theres no way to order a ps5
So i paid 480€ for a console with 1 year warranty so i think its a pretty good deal.
A new one costs about 700-900€.
I bought one God of War Disc Edition (1200 version) for my son for 789€ here (on eBay) in Germany
@@BARON.SAMEDI. Hi das ist natürlich eine geile Sache! 😊
Lieber den Spatz in der Hand als die Taube auf dem Dach würde ich mal sagen 😁
Hätte ich auch gemacht, traue der Vorbestellungsgeschichte nicht mehr😅
Aber gut hab meine vor dieser Aktion gekauft, läuft wie ne 1 aber wäre natürlich deutlich besser wenns die Revision 1200 gewesen wäre wegen dem geringeren Stromverbrauch🥲
@@BARON.SAMEDI. was it with a bundle ? There’s no way the ps5 costs that much 💀 I got mine from the website PlayStation from France ragnarok Edition with Disc for 639€ a week ago
@@chester9718 I bought it also one week ago but on German eBay. Looked for brand new condition (box sealed, not opened) the cheapest price...but to be honest I had zero clue about the versions 1000, 1100,..and 1200.
After I received it I gave it immediately to my son...and he was amazed that I bought the newest version. BTW, over here in Germany you can get for that price only the digital version..
@@Denniz69 ich kenne mich gar nicht aus. Bin 52...und mein Sohn 31 ist der Profi .
Selber zero Ahnung gehabt, was ich überhaupt gekauft habe . Traurig aber war.
Er sagte mir gerade , dass die Maschine in Sparmodus in Abwesenheit sich selber nach paar Minuten ausschaltet.
Manchmal sind die First Gen. Sachen besser und langlebiger,...manchmal sind aber die 2-3 Generation Sachen besser...
Aber wie gesagt Konsolen sind mir Fremde Welten.🤭
Btw its not cheaper to fabricate on the 6nm tech as it is more expensive tier of fabrication and has lower yield per wafer
I really like seeing the PS5 motherboard. The PCB layout is done differently to what you see with a PC motherboard and ends up looking really quite high-end as PCBs go.
Woow this was a great video love it!!!
Lmao i wonder what the old ps5 owner (2020 and 2021 model owner) will think of sony after they find out 2022 ps5 is different and maybe better 🤷🏻♂️.
Well i have the 2020 version and i dont care
Theirs was 10% cheaper so yeah
you are aware previouse consoles like the phat ps4 and phat ps3 also had similar stuff happen multiple revisions before slim models came out this revision stuff isnt new