Guide to defeating stupid endless Chaos invasions in Mortal Empires
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- Bad campaign mechanic. Very bad.
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My favorite game on launch is Rome 2 because having ships fly through buildings is amazing it’s fucking amazing
nopinkcreations don’t forget about those horrific faces at launch or the engine fucking up combat with rubber banding and kill moves and that god awful AI it makes me moist remembering those memories
nopinkcreations and that Greek dlc so many great memories brings a tear to my eye
nopinkcreations yep that UI was amazing not being able to tell how many men are in your unit and not being able to tell if they are getting shot or if they are in combat that made me wet
and the unit cards was superbly designed too ... best total war game ever!!!
Mr Thien I agree it is a much better game then Rome 1 and medieval 2 not being able to send a few units to a location or having them become a garrison or making an army without having a general was an amazing design choice it added depth and removed useless mechanics
step 1. be chaos
why would anyone want to be responsible for AOS?
I'll wait for the nuber of likes become NOT the one with number 69, then like it :)
step 2. get bored to death
step 3.uninstall
Win a battle, wait 2 min for next turn, repeat..
Ordertide
The "fun slider" comment makes me feel less bad for always playing on normal...
matthewy2j you should never feel bad for What difficulties you play games on. Your having fun? Yes? Fucking swell your doing it right.
Hey mate, I've been playing TW for a long time and I always try several difficulties to find the most balanced-to-my-taste one. Hard and very hard are boring as it ain't more difficult, it's looooonger. What you can do in 20 turns will take 80 or 100 because you can't trust any faction : before chaos invasion, diplomatic options are reduced to declare war or negociate peace treaty. It just ain't fun.
I can't beat the campaign in easy... I just don't have the patience
I always play normal, after being experienced. Higher difficulty just means AI cheating. Once in a higher difficulty battle, I sent 3 units, and AI sent 2. I used 2 units to attack 1 from both front and back, then stopped the other enemy unit with my other unit. How can you do it better? Well, then I saw my unit in fair fighting routed, while the enemy unit attacked by 2, including 1 in the rear, was still fighting in a standstill.
AI cheating is cheap, and NOT fun. It doesn't require more strategic thinking. It just makes you exploit AI stupidity, and repeatedly use these bugs/loopholes again and again. I would rather be beaten by Alpha Go style super AI, than a cheating system that magically makes 1 unit as strong as 2.
don't feel bad for playing on normal difficulties in game like Total war and Skyrim, they have artificial difficulties that only serve one purpose and that is to nerf the shit out of your stats and buff the shit out of the AI's stats, enemies do not actually become smarter or use better tactics and strategy. In fact the only thing that going higher than normal does is ruin the balance of the game which kind of breaks the entire game. You don't get "bragging rights" as legend says it for playing on a higher imbalanced difficulty, you simply just get a more stressful experience as you have to play the game as if one hand were tied behind your back. That's why he says "its not fun" And I would argue its not really difficult either rather just way more time consuming than a normal play through cause of all the stat nerfs you get and all the buffs the AI get ends up dragging the game out way longer than its intended to be.
"Punishes the player for beating Warriors of Chaos"
meh, seems pretty lore accurate from what GW has always done.
Just play as Norsca, Beastmen, Chaos Dwarfs, Chaos Daemons or Ogre Kingdoms (who can join Chaos if they get enough money)
@@christiandauz3742 you clearly haven't played the game there are no chaos dwarfs or orgre kingdoms.
@@ajhiep4447
You clearly don't know about the game there is Game 3 coming out
Christian Dauz Dude that is in a year...you told him to play as those which is impossible currently.
@@christiandauz3742 🤦♀️🤦♀️ that in a year smarty.
...and now the Chaos invasion is such a joke that even Kislev survives almost every time.
1 of 2 things will happen:
1: Another army will wipe them out before chaos even arrives, usually Skaven or less likely Norsca will end up wiping them out.
2: they survive and grow to be like an 8+ settlement faction to rival the empire but still somehow haven't wiped out the skaven in their region.
You're completely right its judt that I feel this needs to be pointed out.
Kislev got wiped out instantly for me and I’m not in a good situation because I’m fighting grim for who has a million settlements
@@Valiguss grim wiped out kislev and dwarves in my VC campaign, luckily I'm not at war with him, and is now forced to use all of his armies to deal with chaos while I get to secure the rest remains of the empire and elves before I turn on his back side.
unless clan moulder wants to eat some manthings.
I finish a campaing in 2022 with chaos invasion off because I read some comments saying that was broken, so is worth it turn on now?
CA seems to have developed an obsession with "impossible unstoppable evil doom invasions" as a proxy end-boss in their more recent games to replace the realm divide system. It started with Atilla, got worse in Warhammer 1 and now it's gotten to this level in Warhammer 2.
Maybe they wouldn't feel pressured to try and make the late game so tedious if the campaign ai in general wasn't a complete crap shoot.
^Not to mention that you had to defeat Attila himself x number of times before you could actually kill him for good.
But thats because there are not many ideas if you think about it. Or if the ideas are interesting but complex, it would take much longer to develop. So devs do this sht all the time. Just throw more units/ai and call it a day.
I would blame it on upper management with the due quotas. FUcking plebs.
It's like Blizzard's theory of game design, More Health bars more good
@@austinjackson7103 umm...
i dont wanna fight an archaon that needs a dedicated handgunner line for the whole battle and 3 light wizzards netting him permanently to kill safely
makes you wonder why the gje hasvtheseturn times. nothing useful ever comes out of those ai calculations...😏
Step 1: be a faction that is very far from Chaos spawning point.
Step 2: Do nothing, let other factions take care of Chaos.
Step 3: Profit!
K-Fro chaos spawns near you, always. I tried it with lokhir, first campaign i stayed at the starting place conquering the land there, then poof turn 75 they spawned at sea 2-3 turns away. Second campaign i migrated immediately to where morathi starts, conquered everything all the way up to karond kar, turn 75 they spawned inbetween karond kar island and ulthuan and b00m they sailed towards me.
@@adam_somada4266 chaos spawn on 3 location
1. Chaos waste - warrior of chaos and warherd of chaos
2. North of ulthwan - servant of chaos
3. Between chupayotl and wizard caliph's palace - puppets to chaos
And special norscan name Bjornling spawn on south of sartosa but they'll never respawn if destroyed
Joe Yawiki Da paunch I think the Bjornlings only come with Archaon, and it seems like they generally harass the Badlands, which probably belong to either the Tomb Kings, Orks, or Dwarfs.
dwarf strategy 101
I love your passive aggressive titles.
First 3 minutes literally about bragging.
2:19 'You're a fucking idiot but don't worry I won't call you one now' lol what
Do you know de way?
Not really passive lol
That’s warriors of chaos, what about puppets of chaos, I’m playing Vampire coast. Conquered south east Lustria, the puppets of chaos turn up and I end up not being able to expand because every turn I’m having to fight stack after spawning stack of puppets of chaos. They spawn right next to all my coastal settlements. I ended up just abandoning the campaign turn 120
Meanwhile, currently... "Let's use the 10x Chaos Invasion Mod!"
it makes me so incredibly mad that a modern day game that should be better by simple fact of better technology is designed worse as they assume we want graphics over good AI and actual need of strategy.
jim sauce graphics>actual good AI and good mechanics
i wouldn't rly mind if CA leaves the graphics as they are now but instead concentrate fully on AI, map design and special locations/battles for the next game
If you want total war with a 1000 unit cap then be your guest. The reason your computer lag on 6k+ battles is not gpu, its your cpu having a hard time computing all the entity in action... I though every total war player knew this by now.
Im surprised people are having difficulty with it, it was challenging but I just build gates everywhere and since I know where theyre coming from I use 1 bait general and set up ambushes.
I played as Lizardmen, and 2 different Chaos factions popped up right near where I was expanding so I had 10 full 20 stack armies knocking at my door. Luckily I had Kroq-Gar to deal with the one faction but the other managed to raze half of my settlements before i could deal with them, and they kept running away from my armies like bitches which made it harder to destroy them. And then just when I got rid of them they came back like 2 or 3 turns later. So I just kept doing this over and over. It was annoying and frustrating because I was 200 turns into the campaign, and I couldn't go any further, I just kept having to play clean up, because they just kept coming back.
I actually like the constant invasions in my Empire campaign. I have united the entire Empire territory, and occupied the ruins of Volksgrad. I'm just waiting there with most of my legendary lords to beat back the endless tide of Chaos while the rest of the old world is safe from them. Feels pretty thematic. :p
Same here as the Empire,i have 3 stacks of "mechanized" division near praag,just waiting for the next chaos invasion
amazing lel
Sad. Very sad.
We should have the most amazing campaign, the most beautiful mechanics.
But we have this instead. So sad.
In the lore, Chaos Invasions are much bigger and have more elite units in them
Imagine a single Chaos Warrior taking a musket barrage and then ripping dozens of Veteran Swordsmen in close combat
That is how powerful Chaos is
They could have taken the world at any moment
Our suffering is the Dark Gods' amusement
@@christiandauz3742 a single chaos warrior would get absolutely shredded by a musket barrage.
They also cant take a dozen swordmen in single combat.
they are bigger than normal humans and have better armor, but thats it, unless we are talking about demons, they are mortals, just like any other mortal race, they breathe, eat, sleep, bleed and die.
@@lorenzoherreros6641
Bullshit
100 Warriors of Khrone killed Millions of People when they invaded Araby!
Chaos Armor is strong enough that Halberds shatter when striking them!
@@christiandauz3742 no, a single chaos warrior is not that powerful in lore. never has been. ever.
@@christiandauz3742 you're clearly pulling this out of your ass, it's just not true
Honestly if they want to make the end game feel challenging maybe have the ai factions confederate and band together against you once you become a superpower, Realm divide style. The lore would support this (example would be Alliance of Order.) it seems way more fair than this nonsense of artificial challenge.
Or have a more extreme version of previous total wars, back when they were good. It just makes the start grindy and less enjoyable and restricts you with static public order difficulties, etc - which hurts you early game. Why not remove it, but in difficulty ratings, increase your culture/distance to capital penalties the longer you go on, the bigger you become? And also, yeah - confederations and smart ai moves when you are threatening would be very smart, and very fun. And with legendary on, when you hit that critical mass - let civil war happen - but not in some dumb way like R2 with random regions and random armies, but concentrated in a large, but specific portion of your empire - when the confederations and alliances start to emerge?
There are fun ways to play it. But yeah, the bad design I find is it punishes early campaign only, to the point it isn't nearly as enjoyable as it should be, because you can't do what you want to do even if you want to do that part well - and by the time you can, there is no difficulty no matter if it is on legendary. It should be very much the opposite. It is retarded; and there are ways to do it right.
Indeed, I'd love to see the other factions form alliances once one faction gets too strong. It's also realistic, as historically, once one faction gets too strong, the other factions form temporary alliances to stop them.
It'd be cool to see the dwarves and empire say, alliance, band together, and then march on the greenskins with combined stacks close to one another if the greenskins became too strong.
Unfortunately, the AI in Warhammer doesn't know what "force concentration" means.
This is exactly what CA should have done.
It's pretty silly that AI ALWAYS lets me fight only 1 faction at a time. Whenever my army is close to the enemy border, they are scared and sue for peace. Then I condescend to all requests except 1 faction. What should have happened is that all threatened factions should have massive temporary boost of relationship, and form ally until the stronger one is weakened to just enough to check neighbouring power(s). This was also accurate in history, especially European history after Rome.
When AI has 2 armies, AI often lets me destory 1 army alone, *then* the other army arrives to be also destroyed. Sometimes, AI learned to deploy 2 armies together, then they send fast units to flank me, only to be destroyed before infantry could arrive. Winning at 1:2 to even 1:3 odd against me is simple.
That is an awesome idea! I never thought of that
Damn bro I'm so tried of having all 5 of my armies els where dealing with shit and some trolling chaos army come through and raze my settlements.
Just play as a Chaos Faction
Maybe in the Third Game certain Legendary Lords (Kemmler or Morathi for example) could defect to Chaos!
Yeah this is really a bullshit design, I hate it
I won against the invasion, but 50 turns later they respawned... Tis is just bs
I don't have a problem with massive waves of chaos invading the land. From what I've read this is lore friendly. What I have an issue with is that they beeline for the player and unless they spawn on the other side of the map they ignore all other factions.
But is a 5th, 6th, and 7th wave possible?
lol I dont know. I wasn't willing to deal with a 4th.
But can there be a 5th civil war?
I think it is completely possible but have you tried wounding archaon and getting up to 3 armies? Because in Warhammer 1, wounding archaon prevents new chaos armies from getting spawned.
Doesn't work. I had Archaeon, Kholek and Sigvald all wounded (not in the same turn) and they kept on comin!
fuckin....
I actually like the chaos invasions because once you reach turn 100 you can just steamroll through the whole world with your armies without worrying about your settlements. But the chaos invasions kind of force you to think more about your territorys and having a need to actually defend instead of going on the offensive 24/7. Chaos Invasions are the only chances for me to actually fight a defensive siege
Wanna know a better solution? Download the fucking mod that fixes it. And not only that, it adds flavour to it. Each of the Chaos factions apawn in different areas and target specific races. The main WoC arrives a bit later but unlike the other 4 that focus some area, this one comes from the Chaos Wastes and focus everyone. And its harder than the vanilla one. But because it targets everyone it can still be stopped if everyone gathers up and stands against it.
That's the solution. Fucking CA can't play test their shit. We're back at Rome 2 levels of idiocy.
Why not show a pubstomping campaign on easy? Like a speed run on how fast you can conquer the whole map.
Garrett Johnson I doubt that’d be very fun for him, nor would it be fun to watch
It would be incredibly valuable for newbies like me.
CA knew.
I defeated 6 Chaos waves as Bretonnia, then they started fleeing into the ocean where i can not pursue them because auto resolve. I'm basically in a stalemate situation where i am pinned to home territories. I guess i could go back 20 turns and defeat them in this way but meh i'm over it. If i wanted to do nothing but endless pointless battles against the AI i'd load up custom games.
i know its been a year but
how did you even manage to grab the necessary funds to make an army that can fight a full stack of chaos?
bretonian economy is shit in my expercience
doesnt help the fact that the knights are expensive to upkeep even with the vows unlocked when compared to the economic buildings bretonia has...
@@nayrosnoflaalfonso1050 lol bretonias late game economy is perhaps the single best economy in the entire game
It's because the end time wars near. Lmao.
@@thehistorians5231 No it fucking isn't
Reminder. ME is not free dlc. It was a delayed feature.
It is also a big reason people are comitted to the game.
9:05 VLC media player I see hmmm a man of culture.
I may be in the minority with this one but I loved the "doom stacks" mechanic in Mortal Empires, it's how I feel Chaos should be, wave after wave of death and destruction, I really enjoyed repelling my borders from chaos.. as the High elves all the stacks came in from Sea so it gave me great ambushing opportunities as they hit my shores and I fucking Obliterated them! Oh all that sweet XP! :D For once in a total war warhammer campaign I felt under threat which made my Ultimate victory over the chaos even sweeter.. My worry is this mechanic will be Greatly reduced due to the amount of complaining the fans are giving CA. I do agree with Legend on most things about the games mechanics in general but this for me at least was a blast, Loved it. I grant you tho, playing on Legendary difficulty it must be a grind fest. I played it on hard so it wasn't too crazy, I think I only lost one or two settlements overall so it felt good. I enjoyed the level of difficulty which ultimately that is why we play games to begin with. Fun. Just to add I was at turn 138 when I finally beat back the chaos, for what I've seen it is only required that you beat the main chaos characters Achaon, Kholek etc to stop the stacks from coming.. This is also a cool idea for me because it gave me a mission to find them and defeat them while defending my borders.. An added bonus depending on how you are seeing it. Achaon and Sigvald came to my shores and got blasted but Kholek was actively destroying the Brittonian Coast line so I sent a Army over there to face him and then the chaos was no more.
Great Campaign and at least in my experience one of the more fun total war experiences.
Jamaly Yeah I agree the A.i leaves a lot to be desired, but that´s kind of expected at this point with a total war game.. My point really was how much I enjoyed the way the mechanic for the chaos works, it works pretty good, and I´d prefer more stacks instead of less.. I enjoy the role playing aspect of Warhammer.. It adds immersion to a game that desperately needs more immersion.. is it perfect? No, not at all, but in this instance I enjoyed the chaos threat. I am not interested in dick waving at how good I am at the game,I just wanna enjoy the game and I did :D
It just needs a toggle button to make everyone happy.
fun fact..in the warhamer lore chaos actually kills and destroys everyone and eveything...until sigmar comes in and its a big story and u are already in utube
Jay Mattick agree with you ;-)
@@mrunderhill5197 End Times should never be considered canon.
I remember this bull when it was in the game. That was a very bad mechanic. Now we face the marginally less annoying Dwarftide which at least rather than being a bad mechanic outright is just the "normal" AI confederation bonus, which is normally fine on its own, acting together with map dynamics that ends up with a Big Blue Blob.
Artificial Difficulty...
exactly, and when ever playing a game on its highest Artificial difficulty you lose all bragging rights from square one. If anything you get labeled masochistic for doing so.
Has this issue been fixed in the game by now? It has been a while since this vid was released.
Have to disagree with what you said on the playing on legendary w/ mods. I don't do this, but I often find myself frustrated with the level of cheats the AI get(and I'm only good enough to play on hard) such as the situation I faced recently where I cornered some greenskins to their last minor province in the mountains and they comfortably had 2 full stacks. Granted, they were goblins and goblin archers, but I was struggling to maintain 2 full armies of swordsmen and xbows as the Empire, and I had just taken over Sylvania(not everything in between though. Made allies on accident with Wissenland so they got to live). The simple fact of how much more the AI gets than you is frustrating bc it means the AI isn't playing smarter, it's just getting more buffs and can continue to be its stupid self bc it can just throw bodies at you. I can see if somebody uses a mod to replace the buffs that the AI get with actual competency. That's how the AI should be in the first place.
I put on 20X chaos mod and I'm crying as the gates of Ulthuan are getting hammered nonstop haha
I got really lucky I guess with my second ever campaign playing as the Empire for the first time. Just before the invasion started Kislev had fallen, so I was already marching up there just to resettle the ruins and take out what was left of Kislev's killers before the other provinces could block me, and the moment I controlled all of the pleasant climate settlements the invasion started with Gelt's full army encamped and healing just across the water from where they spawned. By the time they crossed the water Gelt was full healed and in ambush stance and the entire Chaos invasion just walked one at a time into Gelt and died that same turn.
Advisor warns me they'd be back after Archaon went down, but I never saw them again. They didn't even so much as get into raiding stance before Gelt auto-resolved the entire force-marching faction in one turn (I was playing on Normal difficulty) so I didn't even realize they were supposed to be annoying lol
I am playing as last defenders on legendary and it is super hard because all The Chaos factions decided to come straith at me, never had so much fun fighting chaos invasion when everyturn you either butcher 4 fullstack armies at once or desperately try to hold your borders + lizardmen upkeep feels insane after you recruit four lords.
I Play as Exiles of Nehek and this bullshit mechanic ruins my campaign. It really breaks immersion -tide after fucking tide with no end. Around 8 of them already and counting.
How does it ruin immersion? Chaos weren't sunshine and rainbows.
Mortal Empires was advertised before WH2 was released. Hence I would consider it part of a buy one get one free deal. If you bought two apples as part of a buy one get one free deal would you be happy if one of the apples was rotten?
That is a bad analogy since an apple can not be repaired. Would be like getting 2 cars, one without any functioning parts. You just have to wait for who knows how long until CA fixes that car to at least functioning levels.
You can go back to the apple seller and complain and perhaps get another apple to replace the rotton one. CA patching the game is analogous to replacing the apple as they are effectively taking away what was broken and replacing it with the fixed content.
So what happens when I defeat them, but I haven’t completed the goal to beat them? It’s been like 100 turns since I defeated them all, and now I don’t see them anywhere and no goal completion
legend, you might not like the chaos invasion (it is very annoying indeed), but its nothing compared to the warhammer lore. if you would have a lore friendly invasion, it would be 100+ armies of 20 unit stacks, filled with elite warriors with max experience. so ca even nerfed the chaos invasion big time
Lots of us don't really give a shit about the lore, if it makes the game un-enjoyable (is a bad game mechanic) then it needs to be either removed, or reworked massively to make it enjoyable. This is a game, not a book - there are differences in interactions and what makes a game good compared to a book/fiction.
+James Kaplonek CA could've also left it in at orders of games workshop
To be honest, though, if the game was completely lore-friendly, a Slann(or Teclis) could delete 10+ full stacks per turn from the strategic map. Ten grail knights could beat an army of orcs, the high elves would only be able to recruit two stacks per hundred turns, Ulthuan would cause at least 80% attrition on the ride over, orc units would cost something like ten gold per turn, the empire would be literally unplayable in a thousand sad and tragic ways, and a ton of other extremely stupid and unfun shenanigans to that effect.
3 years later it's still a problem.
Really isn't
@@2Vasilisk2 It actually is. You either leave 2-3 stacks of troops near where they spawn as they WILL respawn time and time again in case you're a masochist who decided to play near the areas the puppets like to hit, or have to sit up till turn 160 for the actual invasion to spawn and get taken care of. Either way, bad mechanic. Lore, I get that. But doesn't make the gameplay feel any better when you need to run around playing whack-a-mole with chaos stacks who in most cases just run away from you and target settlements.
Steamroll of doom. Feed the designer of this mechanics to the troll!
"I'm not here to judge" but I do. ;D
Yeah ... I had an army with Isabella and 19 lvl 30 vampires parked in the chaos wastes and spawn-trap the chaos invasions on 3 consecutive turns. The chaos invasion mechanic is just very under-developed, not only from how bugged it feels, but also from it weak and rather annoying nature. Usually the AI empire deals with them just fine. No end-times in sight.
Edit: also some rewards would be nice for defeating chaos. Like good traits for your lords and heroes in the army. Op items for your characters. High battle loot. A unique ROR ? Improved diplo (it does that kinda). There are so many options to make it worth-while to defeat the warriors of chaos, even if you are not directly threatened by them.
Chaos invasions also stops if at any point the player as the Empire wins the short campaign goal, which is mostly controlling empire provinces and beating Archaon once and wiping out their set of chaos invasions. Though they don't seem to stop for any other faction winning their campaign
This is a great video. Would have been so helpful had I known I had to kill all 4 when I kept fighting Chaos for like 80 turns in my DE campaign. Bastards ran from my stacks to get behind my lines targeting cities rather than armies. Kept them away from main internal cities like Nagoroth but they still destroyed 1 to 3 cities each invasion. I'd kill a main Chaos army and more would spawn. Started settling tier 1 outlying cities just to bait them in to destroy it then blocking them with high level sorceresses so I could catch them and kill them. Assholes wasted 8 like hours of my life. lol
The "fun slider" comment is sad but true. A truly great game is one in which the fun increases with the difficulty. Increased difficulty only meaning increased handicaps for you and increased buffs for the ai is not the way to do it. Giving the ai endless money and free armies is not the way to do it. Increasingly better ai without handicaps/penalties would do the trick, but really all that is necessary is some clever campaign design by the developers.
Well......Chaos invasions in the lore are fucking massive, so massive you won't believe it. So it's kinda lore-friendly.
The south pole of the warhammer world is the single largest concentration of beastmen on the planet, however because there aren't any trees there the only way off it is swimming or going through the south chaos portal, both of which are pretty much suicide
draconianwarking Also add the fact that there are regular soldiers in the invasion forces, that can take entire barrages of fire.
Chaos should be very hard to defeat.
Playing as Dwarfs was my first ever play on any TW game ever. I remember when Chaos came on down to wreck everything and they just steamrolled me, even though I was doing decently well.
Because you're crap at the game
I still play Attila with nerfed huns. They are such bullshitting cheaters.
Stunnershades _ i know i mean i like how there is a "Boss" but its like 1 stack equals 5 stacks of yours
Am I really the only one who likes Chaos in TW? Especially playing as them?
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Yes? :/
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if you like playing chaos normaly, good
but you'd get a better experience with ultimate chaos mod, but its a suggestion
who wouldnt want to run around as kholek with a army stack of only dragon ogres cheaper than chaos warriors
I liked this mechanic a lot when I played.... It means that if you are struggling and can't kill all of the stacks you don't have to deal with as many extra. When I played I was usually getting really bored around the time the chaos showed up.... then I get to kill 9 super stacks multiple times. It was the only thing that gave me a sense of danger....
Thank you Legend no i can go back to lokhirs campaign and try to take out 4 at the same time to take them put. They havent let me expand from lustria for tht reason. Thank you again
Step 1. Race to the chokepoints.
Step 2. Park a high tier army at the chokes
the difficulty thing talked at the beginning actually makes sense,AI bonuses to campaign map make perfect sense,they compensate for the chihuahua AI,but combat bonuses don't,in legendary the AI peasants can have your elite stats,that alone makes huge portions of any roster unusable,and turns the game into boring same-y defensive battles,battles are not fun when all enemy units are turned into high damage,high morale monsters,cause all battles look the same. you can never be on the offensive. so battles in normal actually are funnier from a tactical point of view.
of course the thing is,CA is a company of rats that run around with massively outdated engines,sure the graphics looks nice,but the physics,and more importantly the AI are pure garbage,it is like a pretty looking car with the engine of a tractor from 1940's.
and just in case,there is this urban legend among gamers that competent AI are hard to design,no,they are not,at all,it is just bullshit.
shit they could even work around it and make the AI ignore buildings and economy, it has been 14 years since medieval II and you still fight tier 1 stacks until the end of the campaign,make the armies spawn independently of the buildings thr AI has,so after a number of turns,the AI gets higher tier units automatically,and voila.
you get to fight some black orcs or heavy cavalry past turn 50.
On very hard ME Chaos stacks didn't hit me until well past 100 turns. By this time (as Naggarond) I had conquered my continent, formed powerful alliances with Morathi and Clan Pestilins (I could never confederate Morathi because she somehow managed multiple doom stacks with one city, and completely rolled the high elves and took all their cities by herself eventually). My armies were primarily black guards and darkshards complemented by a few hydra, black dragon, and of course dark elf hero spams. I absolutely crushed wave after wave of chaos at my shores... They never even defeated me a single time, despite 4-6 "doom" stacks hitting one city they were utterly crushed by a single army I would have garrisoned there. oh I almost forgot I had max level black arks nearby adding death and destruction to the mix with heavy bombardments, and of course OP dark elf rituals adding ridiculously powerful effects to the battles as well. Malekith himself was autoresolve stomping poor little archaeon at every corner. Eventually I destroyed all the norscan tribes and worked my way to the corner where archaeon spawns... and absolutely crushed all his stacks with just malekith and one other army to back him up. TOO EASY. I guess if if up the difficulty to legendary I would probably lose a few battles due to being unable to pause to give orders, but still, shiz was too easy People!!! The AI is really not too smart when it comes to siege battles and is easily defeated.
I quit my Lizardmen Hard difficulty campaign last night out of frustration, not only was I dealing with Rank 1 Dwarven armies, and Tilea constantly attacking from the North, I had 2 different Chaos factions with 5 20 stack armies rolling in from the South literally 2 or three turns after I just got rid of them. It is unmanageable even after I lowered the difficulty to Normal in response. Just when I fight my way back to a manageable foothold they come back AGAIN!!! On top of that they NEVER attack other factions, they go straight for me for some reason...... like seriously WTF Creative Assembly?
I usually do hard or very hard I tried legendary once and it wasnt fun but I did it.
I’ve found that the early armies are pretty pathetic; marauders, marauder horsemen, a Hellcannon or two, and trolls. If you have a full stack army in a garrisoned settlement, you should have no trouble if they come to you. It’s the armies that come with Archaon that are trouble. Though I’m kind of proud of myself for being able to fight off three Puppets armies (post Archaon) with Teclis and the Star Tower garrison even though the game said that I had no chance of winning.
I have never had any issue with this for the past few weeks. Already beat the mortal empires game as the vampire counts
Man, I can't wait to see this fantastic play, and hear you rage.
Cant wait till tww3! Hope lost fixes and better playing solo. I was doing Luthor Harkon ans those guys showed up every round after taking over all southwest map. Was hoping they'd stop, but no! Funny that they kept spawning south map in ship though.
I was glad I had 4 armies parked in my homeland as the dwarves, but even still I was not too thrilled to see multiple (4-5 x 8) army stacks of chaos invaders, literally 30 or more stacks in total. Without lightning strike and all my walled garrisons that would have been disastrous. The first wave was norscans (aeslings) then 4 waves of puppets, etc of chaos factions and each wave contained 8 stacks,,,
I like how they just fucking show up out of nowhere and destroy your back door without warning.
oh, you are having fun? Guess what? FUCK YOU here 4 giant armies each with 3 hellfire cannons to fucking you while you out conquering the world. The thing is I would have been fine with having chaos invasion with some fucking warning or someshit not just showing up out of nowhere. That literally goes against what a strategy game is all about. Now I don't even want to fix the campaign I'd rather just start a new one. not like I spend the entire 2 days on this one or anything.
You nearly quit? I did quit. I'd just had enough. It's not fun. It's more infuriating than anything. I was playing as the tomb kings. Heavily restricted on how many armies I can have. Had my southwest cleared. Fighting a was in the northeast. Then a huge wave of Chaos just drop for good fucking reason, start destroying all my shit and there's not a damn thing I can do about it because all my armies are on the other side of the damn map fighting a war. I finally clear them out. Rebuild. Go back to my war, then at turn 200, another wave, double the size of the last and again, I'm on the opposite side of the map. At that point, I said fuck this and quit the game. That was my last straw. Why the hell would you put such a stupid mechanic in the game with no way for people who hate it to disable it. It was annoying enough in the first game and a lot of people didn't like it in the first game. So they thought it was a good idea to put it in the second game too? I just wanted a huge map to play using all the factions from both games. That's it. A simple large map and traditional game structure and I would've been happy. That's all I wanted out of Mortal Empire. I didn't want the stupid chaos hordes mechanic to come with it. One game with that mechanic was more than enough. This one just pisses me off to no end and completely ruined my entire experience playing Warhammer 2 mortal empires. I like small random events. But I fucking despise huge "all-of-a-sudden" game mechanics. From the bullshit scripted rebellions in Rome 2 where half your armies rebel (even in a happy empire) for no good reason, to the Chaos Hordes in the Warhammer, and now Mortal Empires. Come on CA, play a different fucking tune for once. Stop these stupid bullshit mechanics that serve no purpose other than to piss people off and start making mechanics that are actually fun. Fuck I'm pissed off right now.
I killed Archaon, Sigvald and Kholek in a single turn and am pretty sure the other stacks remained. Maybe they were Warherds of Chaos. Also, Chaos kicked Kislev's arse, that's how I knew Chaos was coming. Their cities were all ruined.
"This video is not about criticizing about that..." continues criticizing for half of the video :-D . Thank you for the video though. Chaos has been wiping the floor with me, but I didn't want to turn 'em off. They are a nice lore piece.
Had just few settlements to conquer before campaign victory...then.. 5 chaos stacks spawn...at the other end of my empire where my main force is... they wreck a couple towns and crush my economy but managed to get rid of em.. then beastmen herds come... and ohh 5 new full stack chaos spawns at the same time.. and couple other empires start war with me and attack at the same time... not fun anymore.. somehow with the bits of my force managed to finally after 20 turns to defeat everything.. but ohh wait another 5 full chaos stacks suddenly spawn and attack... this mechanic sucks balls... just want to end the campaign already :_(
Damn I thought the invasions in Warhammer 1 were bad design, but at least you could slap those down without getting axed for it!
I have a question. Why can't I use certain spells as Manfred on a dragon (this is an example)? There is no such blockage on other players' videos. Can anyone help me?
I defeated them fair and square 2 stock v 2 stock.. i have a mixed infantry wood elf in my kings army and a cavalry army in my lord's. I put lots of skirmishing units in both armies. positioned my main infantry from a far.. i disrupt their lines by harassing them thus making them chase around skirmishes til they got tired.. still loaded with half of their ordinance I recall the skirmishes to position at the back of my main infantry.. when the chaos heavy guys comes to me they got rained down by missiles and when they actually engaged my infantry they're so tired and weakened they route easily.. Playing this game is simple if analysing basic strategy in field warfare and utilise the appropriation of troops.
Every army with identical composition, it's the most fun way to play!
I play very hard with mods to remove AI bonuses and player penalties simply because I want better AI without all the bullshit
AI is the same. That is why they get those bonuses. They don't get better, just tougher. So you are just fooling yourself.
Why change difficulty when you are just going to remove bonuses? Play easy mode lmo
Just Play Arkhan or Kroq-Gar and u`ll Not See Thema Till Turn 250 xD
so my Empire campaign is not gonna be fun...playing it on easy the corruption part is also kindoff bullshit like i got many fucking pro untained buildings yet corruption seems to ignore those buildings
it wouldnt be so bad if the chaos didnt make a b-line for the nearest non-ai player.
They haven't done that since the first patch in November/December.
James Kaplonek really? Because in the game I played just the other day, that's exactly what they did. I played dark elves and somehow warriors of chaos AND servants to chaos all passed over everyone else without stopping and came straight to me. I had to fend off 10 armies by myself! 7 of them at once because servant to chaos spawn in the middle of the ocean nearby. The three others didn't take much longer since they force marched past everyone else straight to me. Game is updated and everything.
Meanwhile its 2021 and anyone who isnt dark elves, empire, or kharak khadrin entirely ignores the existence of chaos.
"It's called 'cognitive dissonance', but whatever"
Fucking saaaaavage
it may be because im crazy but that actually sounds fun to me... building as many armies as your economy can support and trying to outlast 4 waves of chaos banner bearing bell-ends is exactly the kind of challenge i crave in total war games because i like attempting to beat the odds and have done so successfully in the past... dont get me wrong though i mean 4 waves of 9 armies Jesus talk about overkill thats like carpet bombing a whole street cuz someone has termites
Anyone played as norsca and choose to not side with archaon??? That was a fucking nightmare
I remember you saying in a video about the first warhammer that the Chaos invasion was too easy and short lived.
Is it normal that there is still no chaos invasion in my campaign at turn ~120?
Thanks for calling out my cognitive dissonance haha. I use hard AI for all difficulties, campaign normal. I just prefer more tactical battles but I stuck at the empire management aspect. I suppose I could just custom battle all the time but we all enjoy different things. I also use massively expanded rosters so long as I don't find a single unit to be op
I just got called a fucker way too early in the morning
2021 and chaos invasion is still unbeatable... Such bs...
Autoresolve in Legendary difficulty ? What ? Am i missing something ?
New Trick. Turn it off before the campaing starts
what they can do is make you get a fair amount of a reward for defeting a chaos army
even more for annihilating them
The only reason I up the difficulty is because on normal AI barely fields any armies and you simply slaughter them like nothing. I prefer fighting full stack armies instead of beating one army and you basically win.
You are worthy of your name Legend.
Now do they show up if you're playing on medium or hard campaign?
If not, it would sort of make sense why they give you this challenge on legendary difficulty.
If they show up in all difficulties, *puts on tinfoil hat* makes me think they don't want replay value of their games.
Because negative memories of this campaign will do just that. Make you shutter at the thought of a replay, a few months down the road.
But wait theres a new total war that you can buy, maybe that will be different...
Enjoying your content keep it up :)
The Key they show up on hard and it's still a pain
Yes thy show up on hard but is only 5 armies per faction. But it so happened that 2 different factions showed up near each other in the South, so I had to deal with 10 full 20 stack armies right away. And they didn't even bother attacking the AI factions, they B-lined it right for my territories.
I play on normal difficulty because i play games to have fun.
CA releases a hotfix today.
Is this an up to date thing? Does this still happen?
Everytime you said motherf***ers, i laugh hard lol, i feel you bro, the chaos is absolutely piece of sh*t, it ruins the game soo much, after i conquered the south human factions using the vampire counts, i cant focus conquering others because i have to deal with the chaos shit throughout the entire game, in the end i just gave up playing
"i am not here to judge" but in his head - "what a wimp would do that"
do you even understand how chaos works?
Asinine mortal
Ive defeated around 5 of those waves in a dwarf campaign, they really are annoying.
Cheers Legend, onya, appreciate the heads up!
I primarily play on the higher difficulties because on the lower difficulties (at least in Shogun 2 and Rome 2, I haven't played past them) the ai barely recruits any armies. I play on higher difficulties so the campaign ai doesn't instantly capitulate once you get a single full stack.
Defeated Chaos as the von carsteins, fought the empire provinces early, sacked the dawrven province of Zhufbar, conquered ostermark, tabbacland, ostland and kisliev, confederated Manfreds vampire counts, and made myself too important to come after. The ai of basically everybody wrote a peace treaty with me before the chaos invasion. From their I simply kept crushing the warriors of chaos witha fully evolved vlad and Isabella and Manfred and a fully evolved blood dragon bloodline lord. I just kept winning and eventually the warriors of chaos stopped spawning.