McLaren Must Learn How To Win | F1 Round up with SeedStream
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- Analysing the talking points from F1's Spanish GP & looking at McLaren versus Red Bull to find the differences. Do McLaren just need to learn how to win in F1 again?
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Red Bull were Winning Races during the Mercedes Dominance Period…when their Renault Engine was So Bad, they improved EVERYTHING Else…Pit Stops, Race Strategies etc
only a few races… and sometimes like Barca 2016 it was because the Mercs took each other out. The real change is when they got the Honda.
Not just ted bull Ferrari won races too.
@@mrorangepeel659 It is always because of something
@mrorangepeel659 nah they were building . They had a better chassis aswell. Just remver other teams had the sane engine
Thank you for this great video, Marc! Mclaren fan since 1997 here, and even though it's painful not to have won in the last few races, it's definitely coming. Not so long ago we were discussing is it possible for McLaren to even get to Q2, let alone Q3, and since Austria last year, everything has changed. All the little building blocks the team has been adding lately, will sooner rather than later give the ultimate results. Onto Austria, where I firmly believe, McLaren can get a win, if not two as it's a sprint weekend.... Also, one can really appreciate this age of F1 when it's as close as it has ever been. Congratulations to Red Bull and Max too, what a great team!
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Very well said. I think McLaren did very little wrong on Sunday. I think perhaps Lando made a mistake by trying to cover off both Max and George at the start, and ended up behind both. I think if he focused solely on Max, and made sure he got out of the first corner in front, he'd have been able to reel George in, and maybe Max would have been the one stuck behind when his tires got too hot. But easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight.
Thanks for improving the audio. Now it's enjoyable to listen again.
Above all,.....the Max Factor...his strength...
Why? What does he bench? 😂
@@d.b.cooper1 teveel anabole in je kop, dat je gelijk aan bankdrukken denk? Het is motorsport
@@Mies1966 I thought the dutch knew how to take a little joke or sarcasm lol? I guess not.
It does seem that way. When Max is driving the RBR, even if it's well off the pace, there seem to be all these winning strategies to choose from. When a challenge arises, Max complains and drives around it. In Australia we saw his car falling apart while he was still challenging the eventual race winner.
Max did a decent T1 having survived Norris' oddly unpunished start, then pulled an overtake out of the hat no-one expected, and from there on it was a standard "Max"imum effort. He could have had all kinds of problems thrown his way, safety cars, etc...and then he'd pulled other moves out of the hat. Winning in NOT the fastest car is his calling card. Have we ever seen someone do it as consistently as Max? It was a Schumacher and Senna thing. Prost as well, when he seemed to wither away, he was actually about to win. Two teams challenging and they IMMEDIATELY run out of tricks when taking on Max in a slower car. Isn't that odd?
I think it's just the beginning of the challenge from other teams....
Saw your photo in a Photoshop in London the other day and said ooh that's Mark Priestley , the guy was amazed I only knew you amongst a bunch of other photos of so called celebs I didn't recognise😂
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Problem is, the McLaren car is only ever truly fastest at points of a weekend, but never by the margin needed for long enough, which is what allows Max in the Red Bull and their exceptional race team to still pull off a win. It's not that McLaren are doing much wrong anywhere, more that the car still isn't quite consistent enough across all stints/tyres, mixed with just a little bit of luck here and there (Such as the timing of the safety car and getting picked up by it in Canada) which is opening the door for an battle seasoned team that were winning races they probably shouldn't have for the last 10 years simply via being just about quick enough when it matters most and brilliant execution of strategy. It's very close, though, they are still doing a mighty job. A tiny turn in luck (as we saw in Miami) wins them races now, a fractionally more consistent car over all conditions probably takes the slight bit of luck needed out the window and wins regardless like RBR now.
Yes, agree. It takes an almost perfect weekend for MxLaren to win at the moment.
So, faster on average isn't fast enough to beat Max.
@@liambrowning6962 Pretty much. Not too different to M.Schumacher in the late 90's/Early 00's at times. He could be 3rd or 4th fastest, losing 2 tenths a lap to the leaders, and he'd somehow just keep himself in the race just about enough, Ferrari would pull a strategic rabbit out the hat and they'd go away P1, with everyone wondering how they pulled that off.
McLarens issue is all things being equal, they now often will be fastest by a fair margin on 1 stint, but 2nd or 3rd quickest on the others on different compounds or fuel load, meaning they're out of position and using all they have pace wise chasing down Max, who's just consistently been either fastest or 2nd fastest across every stint. The consistency is keeping him in it and McLaren really need a small bit of luck to undo the stints that are putting them out of position for when they are quick. As we've seen, when the stars align and they're out in front on their fast one, they're gone!
Fan since the first win in Belgium 1968. Exactly my thought on the culture of winning. There's strong evidence that the spirit in this team is #1, they know they CAN do it, but next is knowing they WILL do it. In 2021 McLaren had a patch when they were there or thereabout, In 2024 they have built a solid base with a car that is competitive on any track. The wins are coming. 600+ WCC points this year (2X last year) and second in both championships is on!
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No-one can challenge Max's racecraft... yet. And as you said, Red Bull and Max don't (well, almost never) make mistakes.
Lando is self-critical, as he gets more victories that will diminish.
Really looking forward to Austria!
No-one! Behave
Glad you said this Marc, it seems that they've tried to focus on qualys but not on races. Lewis at McLaren did it very well - now Oscar and Lando will in time get there.
Greetings from Canada! Thanks for taking your time to sharing your insight.
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Great audio Marc!
The mere fact that McClaren dared ask Lando to box to cover Russell says it all. This is not a winner's mind set. With thát car and driver, you aim to win. I'm surprised Lando didn't start cursing at his crew. Having Max and the RB machinery as an adversary, there's no room for pussy footing around.
When Lando came out with his new(ish) softs, he got held up by the two Merc's...he did the fastest lap then was stuck behind Lewis and George for too long...
Lando's strategy was looking a bit Schumacher-ish in my mind... he's definitely gaining a ton of experience for the immediate future...
You're so right, RB shouldn't have won in Spain, Russell was a spanner 🔧 in the works at the start and after the final pit stop...
I'm agreeing with you, but can see McLaren are also building knowledge...
Also happy three teams are in contention now...its been a while...
Well said.
Well said , thx ! 🤘🏻🏁
Thanks for watching!
Valid question.
Yeah, Lando lost the race in Spain the second he started telling the team, who were calling him in for a pit stop to offset Max, that he wanted to stay out to chase down Max. When the team strategists are being undermined by the driver's desire when he doesn't know what the timings are saying they're gonna keep losing. It was obvious the tyres were done and he was losing time to Max. The start may have been the start of the loss but the time lost running too long sealed it.
Lando needs to work on his psyche and be more confident in his ability and less pessimistic. It must definitely play a role behind that visor when racing someone like Max.
He is and it comes with experiences like the one's he's having.
Hey there mate, just letting you know we've made some changes to the way ERS works this year...
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We're not even half way yet but I think it's Verstappen's WDC already. He leads Norris by 69 points. Norris needs to win the next 10 races out of the remaining 14 to draw level (with MV coming second) What are the chances of that? Very slim unless RB have a real implosion I'd say. But more likely is that all the improving teams and drivers will take points off each other with no one team or driver being able to overhaul MV and RB now. But some of the racing is pretty good so it's not all bad.
It's the constructors title that far less certain
yes can't believe redbull signed perez again so much crash damage monaco stands out as the worst so far now the teams are closer max needs some backup max is enjoying the fact that leclerc and norris are taking turns being second so max is extending his points lead weather now norris who is now 2nd in the points mount a consistent challege to max or will ferrari come back
I have to admit I was surprised to see the Mercedes back towards the sharp end - not a bad surprise, far from it. I had assumed they turned it up for quali. Concerned with how badly Aston have dropped back, it reminds of the FW36/FW37 situation in 2014/15, a good car but with no one else in the gap to the front it at times looked better than it was.
The Max and Perez situation is very surprising. I understand the car is likely built more to Max's preference but I do not quite understand how Perez can be so far off and we know how brutal Redbull can be with drivers.
Every team needs to learn how to win - when they have not won in a long time. All those folks who know how it was like are gone. Norris needs to find a way to start much better, off the line. Not sure the end result would have been different, but he needs to find a way to hold station or move up consistently. the move by Russell was great as was the Norris/Russell battle later on.
I am starting to doubt some of the Red Bull talking points (that other teams are even with them - no - not yet), or that the tires are going off sooner or inconsistent. Really think a lot has to do with feeding bad info to the other teams, like Mercedes were accused of doing for years when Lewis was winning.
Well, Sergio Perez's "another disastrous weekend" wasn't entirely of his own making. his team's call in Montreal saddled him with a 3-place grid penalty after and they have sacrificed him in Q3 on Saturday. He still made up four places, no small feat on a track like Barcelona, which helped making Red Bull Racing the net winners.
(While Mumtalakat Racing's sunny boy bottled the start like a rookie, allowing Max Verstappen and Red Bull to increase their lead and yet he was awarded "Driver of the Day".)
You can trust a Lewis Cult boy to spread toxic remarks wherever they go.
Lando should have come in for tyres when the team called him in for a choice, stayed out too long in the first stint, the gamble they took, seemed silly tbh.
He needed a tyre offset to have any chance of overtaking Max, so I see why they did it. Mirroring Max's strategy wouldn't have worked. I like that they at least went for the win.
@F1Elvis, with the pace Lando had, had he pitted at the same time as Max he may have overtaken Max but with that strategy he was stuck behind a lot of cars after his extended stint which cost him time and you just feel in the final stint even though Lando was pushing hard, Max was probably managing the pace and probably engine turned down to finish the race.
@@princesithole2369 banking on a race interruption as a strategy is daft - discipline and consistency wins races, not casino risks. Lando is getting so close tho.
what was telling about RB they were prepared to sacrifice checo's last run in Q3 to give max the tow. Absolute rekage
Red bull really need to re think taking Perez on, his performances will only stay bad or get worse from now on, look at the patterns over the last few years.
1 more year I think and then the two parties will part way.
"He who hesitates is lost".
Or.
"Look before you leap"
Land is better for his first win. McLaren isn't far away.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT MARK, THEY HAVE TO L3ARN IT. TECHNICALLY AND ORGANISATIONAL THEY CAN, BUT THERE IS TO LITTLE AGRESSIONAND BELIEF AND SELFCONFIDENCE IN THEIR APPROACH. MAYBE THIS SOUNDS SILLY BUT I THINK THAT THEY NEED YO ACCESS A EXPERIENCED TOPSPORT PSYCHOLOGIST TO HELP THEM CHANGE THEIR MINDSET. THIS IS NOT AN EASY PROCES AND IT WILL BE INCREMENTAL IN THE PROGRESS. SO TAKE THE HURDLE, ADMIT YOU NEED THIS GUIDANCE AND START LEARNING. GREETING FROM HENK IN HOLLAND.
McLaren have 2 good races coming up. Austria and Silverstone fingers crossed for a one two finish. Love the comments and insight #F1Elvis
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I think that's right on the $. Lando definitely has the speed, but Lando continually gets outfoxed by Max in the end
starting to see some small mistakes here and there. Last one was the bollard Max took out in Miami
McLaren are racing with mercedes benz engines, the same are the Mercedes team is using, so the fact that both teams have almost closed the gap with the RB is not that surprising what is however is the fact that McLaren is performing better that the a mighty Mercedes financed team. In barcelona not the fastest car won but the best driver, probably the best driver the world has ever seen.
Audio is great
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Mclaren lost that race when they didn't immediately pit after Russell's slow stop. Even with the new tyre outlap Norris should have come out 1-1.5 seconds ahead.
That would have been 2nd on the road and easily outpacing the Mercedes.
He spent too long behind them and playing catch up leaving him no tyre to catch Max.
I've also noticed Max playing Lewis's old game of grumble to lure competitors to push and try to catch leaving them nothing left if they do catch up.
New mic working a treat
I actually don't think they got it wrong this week, just that the start cost them dearly.
McLaren needs you back, Marc!
I think they're doing pretty well on their own...😊
I thought it was really nice to see mclaren/lando went for the win in the first stint running long and dropping down the field instead of covering off Russel to cement P2, also good to see a driver pushing and not having to conserve tyres.🟠
Agreed👍
Well, they just decided at RB to implement the upgrades which will give them another 1 sec per lap, just of the shell.
At least Lando himself is a lot more real and self critical
Than?
Who are you comparing him to?
@@F1Elvis To the British fan media, Lando knows 99% is not enough to beat Max
@@slopat2503 His fans and Uk media
That's an interesting thought re the cost cap. Are Red Bull basically giving Max all the new bits and Sergio just has to make do with the older concept? Sergio is a country mile off Max
Not hearing much complaining from Checo so I'm not so sure.
No.
Elvis querido sos un crack y te sigo desde Argentina. Can you speak in slow motion!!!! Soy horrible con el ingles. Thanks
UA-cam gives you the option to slow down the speed of the videos you’re watching.
The point system had been broken for years especially on the constructors side.
How so?
@@F1Elvis I think drivers is fine I'd bump 2nd to 20 points and raise everything else. Constructors splits should be smaller rewarding teams having 2 drivers on podium or in top 5. If you come second and 3rd you should gain more than just 8 points to first place. Constructors having same points as driver rewards the best driver not the best car and or team. Like merc should of scored more points than RB.
""...Of course (...) Lando came on top of the qualifying session and that was the big story of the weekend..." ??? For whom, not for me...😄😆🤣
I actually said that the big story was that it was so close?
McLaren so often wrongly evaluate their potential to succeed on certain tracks if we listen to Lando's pre-race media day remarks. Is this his own evaluation or has he been told by the team that he should say what he says? Would more positivity/optimism help? Or is this to cover a lack of confidence?
I think Lando often suffers with his own confidence, but he's only human, I guess we all do at times.
Yes, they need to learn how to win.
Well second
I think some teams fell for Red Bull's comments about the trouble they were having during practice. I think that was part of their strategy. I have seen it many times where athletes, like Perez, sign a multi-year contract and have difficulty meeting expectations. Red Bull has to give him more support. Max's pit stops were around two second and Perez had one at 3.2 seconds. I think Lando has to be more aggressive at the start and force the issue with Max. Max will have to back off because he and his team cannot afford a DNF.
Let’s speak truth Elvis !!!!!!!
Redbull have in truth broke the cost cap
An still no talk of that
Doesn't mean they're not doing an amazing job now?
@@F1Elvis you see the missing word here is Elvis with respect
Advantage!!!!!!! An that’s a capital
FACT………oh which is why Adrian is leaving due to his shear honesty
With other factors included 🧐💯
crofty and the likes makes it so satisfying to listen to the Dutch National Anthem especially when you have the Brits starting on pole and the second row of the grid. way to go Max
Felt to me like McLaren last won due to a safety car and stayed out waiting for one
The RB domination is going to be ending soon. By 2026 they will have lost all dominance. In 2025 the other teams will reach a par with RB and the rule changes in 2026 will negate it completely.
26 is a whole new story, so anyone could do well, but it's definitely.getting closer.
Max will win easily
This is Perez’s level…. In his mind he knows he hasn’t got it anymore.
I think he's definitely capable of more....
@@F1Elvis an old Australian cricket captain (Ian Chappell) said in any sport once you think about retirement your time is already up.
Perez knows this season will be his last and RedBull will secure a younger driver for the future especially if Max goes to Merc in 2026.
@@DiscoStu65-sj6pu A few weeks ago Perez and Red Bull signed a new 2 year deal.
It's a pity that RB has so much money
that they were able to freely screw the updates on both cars,🦊
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I was first once, I didn't bother commenting...
I was first. Sorry.
Perez has never been a great consistent driver, now in the class car on the grid this has been shown up big time, same last year, race craft and car control poor, always excuses, in that car he should be in the top four regularly, they kept him to give Max an easy time, that’s obvious !!!
Max doesn't need an easy time. Max is always 100%.
Lando is not even close to being ready to challenge max for a championship. Simple as that. He gets handed a win and now everyone thnks he’s got what it takes? 🤣
Beating Max on raw pace isn't "getting handed a win," friend.
@@quigglyz safety car handed him the win not max. And if he has such raw pace and has the fastest car literally, what happened? Max beat him with a subpar car. The kid isn’t ready.
@@Robert1187 you sound like a Formulix who doesnt watch facts... Norris had better pace than Verstappen nearly all laps.. McLaren lost time on pits and norris on the start.. not that harsch to comprehend
I would agree that he's not on level compared to Max's experience but he ain't far either !
I mean, he has to tell his teams that he doesnt care about covering Russel and that he's after P1. had they not loose time on the pitstops, he would have been on DRS behind Max in the closing laps.
And again..they had the faster car
They should have kept another fresh soft tyre but weren't expecting this strategy to come up
@@Amauvy i get what you’re saying but catching him is one thing and passing is another. Plus when max pitted they asked him to pit and he said no!🤣 what was he even thinking? He makes bad choices and is very immature. He’s got a long way to go. He will get there eventually for sure but i don’t see it now.
Lando took 4 min off max in the closing stint, the raw pace in the McLaren is there.
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The 2024 Spanish Grand Prix with an outstanding heads-up start by P4 Mercedes, George Russell who enjoyed taking candy from a baby when he was growing up. The email below was sent to Mclaren's CEO Zak Brown to motivate Lando Norris to do better:
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PAPAYA HAZE 🧡🟠🟧🔶all in my brain🧠
Lately, things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny but I don't know why😩
'Scuse me while I kiss the win GOODBYE
PAPAYA HAZE🧡🟠🟧🔶all around
Don't know if I'm comin' up 👍or down 👎
Am I happy or in misery?😭
Whatever it is, the Dirty Dutchman 🏁put a spell on me
Help me (help me)
Help me
Oh, no, no, no
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