@@fallentrash1673 1440p is now the new standard like 1080p was but thats just because graphics of games didnt get too much better. There was a big change when PS4/X1 came out and since then its pure stagnation, only big difference is ray tracing.
@@MisoElEven ray tracing is argumentative for me... issue comes down to the fact you need to tone down resolution scaling in order to use "ray tracing effects" which over the years developers made a lot of techniques/standards to get over some of these hurdles while working within the constraints of the tech at the time. for now... the biggest advancements will probably be FidelityFX/DLSS which will enable playable ray tracing, higher resolutions, better frame rate
Always watch from beginning to end. Thank you. This puts things into perspective. My take away is that my 1700x is still great for 1440 ultra wide at 60hz in AAA games
I was worried my 5700XT equivalent GPU was held back by the 1700X at 1440p @ 60hz. I'm very glad this isn't the case. The 5700X CPU is so tempting at $189 new right now.
I appreciate this benchmark Steve. It shows that these new CPUs (ZEN3, 10/11th Gen Intel) really only benefit the new crop of GPUs from NVIDIA and AMD *that currently are overpriced and virtually non-existent* . When you compared them next to previous gen GPUs is it is essentially looking at mid-range (RX 5600 XT, 5700 XT) vs high-end (RTX 3070, 3090) The 2080 Ti was often CPU bottlenecked at 1080p so it's no surprise for me to see the RTX 3070 is showing the same behavior, so the 3070 GPU should definitely be seen as a high end card unlike its RTX 2070 predecessor that performed like a mid-range card no matter what CPU you paired it with. I wish you added more GPUs to this benchmark, I needed to see more mid-range Geforce cards here, like the GTX 1660 Ti and RTX 2060 Super, and although there aren't many, maybe the high-end Radeon VII should have been shown. Please make a Part II.
I think we need to wait for the current-gen midrange cards to come out - though I'm sure Steve will be thorough enough in his benchmarking that he'll have made good use of his time until that happens.
Thank you for this video, you saved me some money. Was thinking of switching from 2600X to a 5600 (non X). GPU is a 5700XT and I'm playing on 1440p. And seeing this video it made me realize that for this particular GPU there wouldn't be any observable performance difference. In case I upgrade GPU I also need to upgrade my CPU too. Thanks for making me realize this before buying.
I have a 2600 oc (similar perf as 2600x) with a 2060 super and 1080p 144Hz. I play all sorts of games and I have been also thinking about getting either a 1440p monitor or a 5600. A used 3600 is also an option but everything I play has good performance so having a second 1440p monitor sounds tempting. Option 1 - exploit the 144Hz to the max with a used 3600 or new 5600 upgrade Option 2 - add a second monitor (1440p) for AAA / exploration games I have a 4k TV that I have setup to run at 1440p but it is 60Hz and I am now so used to more fps
If you ever want to upgrade the GPU, then a 5600 would be a great option, as shown in this video. During the holiday sales a new 5600 was $140 US on Amazon. Unless, you prefer buying an entire new PC for a few thousands more...
Seeing the results of the 3000 series on Zen and Zen+ makes me want an updated chart with a single 6000 series card. Like the 6800, 6800XT, or 6900XT. Could be a case of those cards being better suited for old Ryzen CPUs. Could be interesting to see for people like me with a 1600 and a 4K monitor who is considering upgrading just the GPU. EDIT: I had not finished watching this video, so I'm glad to see that you agree with me at 18:15-22. Thank you for these fantastic comparisons! It really helps, and it's so fascinating to see how performance progresses :)
That's a pretty pointless question...how do you "deal" with a stuck pixel? Like what do you want to know, if he goes to therapy to learn how to handle it? Or do you think he takes apart the monitor and replaces the pixel? Wtf... 😂
Looks like r5 3600 is all I need to run 1440p with rtx3070 now. Thanks a lot for the detailed video. This saved quite a lot of money for me as 5600x is priced double of 3600x in my country. Please keep up the good work. Love all the effort you put in
Outstanding work. I absolutely love this stuff! This will be one of those videos that I will keep watching over and over again. The right mix of cpu and gpu is more important than blanket statements.
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 No IPC sure, but we went from 4/4 cores/treads to 6/6 to 6/12 and clocks inched a little bit higher year over year. So there's that.
I usually don‘t write comments but this is exactly the video i was looking for. With black friday coming up, i had the idea to upgrade my 1600x. But seeing these charts and only running a 2060 @ 1440p made me realize that i‘d most likely see a 0% improvement. I knew that i was gpu bound but i didn‘t knew just by how much and how potent that 1600x still is. So a big thank you for putting in the work and helping me save money. This is pretty much the only channel i know of, that tests cpus with gpus other than a 3090 in order to create a more realistic scenario where there might not be such a performance uplift between one and the other cpu. So please, keep up the great work.
Brilliant as always, and I am very keen to see the 6000 series be thrown in there (really like to see the difference between the 6800 and 6800xt on the 3600/5600)
Im still on 1st gen ryzen 1700x and have been looking at a upgrade CPU for awhile to the point of almost going in... I have a rx 5600xt and after seeing this video I can see I just dont need to unless I'm upgrading gpu aswell!! Thank you guys great work gpu scaling vids are S++ tier!
Appreciate all the time you take to put these videos together dude. Interesting to see the differences between my 1600x and 3600x systems in graphs. Great video, thank you.
These are the kind of benchmarks I didn't know I even wanted. I hope you continue this series! I'd like to see a deeper dive into the 1600 and 2600 with an expanded GPU list to compare against the 3070. Vega, 10 series, 20 series, and see what exactly is going on.
Outstanding content/testing. I’m still on the R5 1600AF (OC’d roughly 15%) and a 5600XT. This absolutely helped me plan a reasonable upgrade path once prices normalize. Thank you so much for your hard work!
Try a 2700X and see if the gains are worth it. That is if the price has come down since I last checked. It was weird how long that chip held its value.
your comment doesnt make sense. did you plan to upgrade? if so. why? i mean you obviously do not have performance issues otherwise you would upgrade. now you see benchmarks of a few gpu demanding games which you might not even play and you decide not to upgrade. wtf
@@AzumDzumHzumS I’m going to upgrade my gpu, once i can get my hands on a 3080/3070 for a reasonable price. i was planning to upgrade to a 5600x as well, but it seems like if I’m only gaming at 1440p there is no need if prices stay this high Also: I’m playing all of these games
I'm still rocking an 1800x here, but i've been pondering over whether upgrading would actually benefit me much with my 3060 ti and 4k tv (usually play around 1440p) and there is very little info out there about higher resolutions going back as far as 1st gen Ryzen, this is exactly what I needed, thanks guys
I guess it depends on the gpu but you should be fine. I built my first PC at the beginning of 2020 with B450 msi gaming pro carbon, Ryzen 7 3700x and Nitro + 5700XT. Back in December I ended up getting a 6800XT and sold the 5700XT. Im not upgrading my motherboard or cpu. The differences aren't worth it for me from what I have seen at this point in time.
Thanks for this. This is exactly the kind of content more system builders need to watch. I dont think reddit r/buildapc goes a single day without someone asking "will CPU x bottleneck GPU y?" and in almost every case the answer is no if you are targeting 1440p or above gaming. Im typing this on a 1600AF/5700XT build. I took money saved on my CPU (got mine at the $85 price) and put it toward a better GPU. WHen most people look at CPU reviews they forget to look at the GPU being used so when they see a CPU that is "faster" than their they think "Oh I want to game faster". That is great but unless you are using the same 2080ti or now 3080/3090/6800 as the test did, your mileage is going to not going to vary, it wont change a single bit. Again, thanks and I cant wait until you add in the Intel CPUs so there is a comprehensive look at where CPU bottlenecking ends and GPU bottlenecking starts. Right now a 5600X or higher AMD CPU is golden across the board. If your GPU is below the 3070 in performance, that drops to a 3600X. Given the difficulty in getting both CPUs and GPUs right now, thats good news.
Thank goodness AMD came out with a winner. Ryzen really was their last chance, and who knows what the CPU market would look like today if they hadn't restored competition. Remember folks, just before Ryzen we had Intel charging $1,000 for 8 cores and $1,700 for 10 cores.
Please make a video on the Pcie gen 4 usb issues that X570 and B550 suffer from. The only solution seems changing it back to Gen 3. It does not even work for some as well. You guys are the only ones who could bring light to this issue. PLEASE.
Thanks! The results are directional in terms of future scaling, but here are three observations after looking at the data extensively: 1) If you are targeting 1440p and want to build a PC with future GPU update in mind, get whatever is available and near MSRP. If not, get whatever is available and near MSRP. 2) If you are tageting 1080p, and want to build a PC which you plan to ride out until next gen upgrade, get whatever is available and near MSRP. 3) If you are targeting 4K, and want want to build a PC, Google Stadia.
is that for real? ive still got my wraith thingy in its orig box, as i just went aio. but looking at it, i thought it was pretty boss stock cooler. you'd be even cooler if you got the rgb version =)
@@Ready_Fire_Aim I mean, you used to get a wraith spire cooler on a ryzen 5 0000x series processor, but with the new 5600x, they have reduced it to wraith stealth(the worse out of the three) and there is no cooler included anymore with newer ryzen 7 5800x or a 5900x (5950x is understandable) not even a chunk of aluminium with a fan on top of it lol
I'm a proud owner of a 5600X, upgraded from 1600( non X ) on release, the difference was immediately felt, ngl .Though I also upgraded the RAM( from 3000MHz 2x8 kit, to a 3600MHz kit) and MOBO, so that might also have had a bit of an impact. I've loved Ryzen even since I switched from my i5 3470 (another legendary CPU btw) based system in 2017, till today. The 5600X is just meant to be a gamer, and it fucking delivers.
@@MafiaboysWorld If he tests i5 from 7th to 11th gen, you will see much more than 3% per year. Mostly cause 6-9th gen i5 parts are complete garbage. High clocks but only 4-6 threads, that hurts perfomance A LOT in modern AAA titles.
Man, you really do make quality content. I'd like to see a couple more game optimization videos, like you did with Shadow of the Tomb Rader, but your benchmark videos, like this, are top tier.
Steve, your benchmark contribution is really appreciated. Thank you so much for this! I am kind of curious of the 2700/2700X... how much difference do these extra core counts make? I bet it is negligible in today's titles right? I am actually really happy about my performance... but then again. I am rocking a GTX1070. :)
I have a 1600X and 5600XT. so, unless I upgrade from a high-end GPU such as the 3070, upgrading my CPU won't really gain me anything at 1080p. That is really good to know. I don't use my PC for productivity, just gaming. This video saved me 300 bucks or more... I just might join your Patreon just as my thanks for this video!
@@amaurytoloza1511 I wouldn't say always. It just depends which one you want to bottleneck. Therefore I would rather have GPU to be the bottleneck, because they tend to be cheaper than the CPU to drive it.
@@hansmaulwurf8027 well not always, now, 99% of the modern AAA games will be heavily GPU bound. I think the games sampled here are very representative of what to expect for most games
The 1800X was and still is no slouch. Perfectly fine for the next 3 to 5 years, especially since titles are becoming more and more GPU bound due to crappy generational performance jumps from Nvidia.
Interesting observations, and unexpected results in some areas. I would be interested in seeing this comparison expanded to other products 😁 Thank you!
Random comment: It may be useful to represent this data (especially after you include Intel CPUs and the latest Radeon GPUs) as a matrix (e.g. CPUs in a column header, GPUs in a row header with the FPS at their intersection).
I feel like making this wouldn't be TOO difficult. Might do it later. I'm thinking CPU's on the y-axis, either sorted by launch price, or by fps with 3090, and then GPU's on x-axis. And then on one page it's 1080p medium 14 game average, next it's 1080p high 14 game average. Of course you could also do it for every single game, but THAT would be a lot of work lol
@@thelazyduck9370 you don't actually have to do it by hand like this. Just start with a sheet that has the columns CPU, GPU, game, resolution, quality, and FPS. You can then make the matrix using a pivot table in either Google Sheets or Excel. This way you don't have to pick what to include where, because you can simply filter out what you want and what you don't in the pivot table easily.
Excellent work with this video, everything I wanted to know about R5 3600X vs R5 5600X and RTX 3070 @1440p. My conclusion, why it would be nice to upgrade my R5 3600 to a R5 5600X, it is more of a luxury upgrade than a necessity.
@Lostie DeMonde I totally agree about this industry creating fake needs but what if I have some money to burn in hardware for my guilty pleasure since we can't travel as freely as before for exemple? Of course I could have kept my 5600XT for a perfectly fine experience with 60 fps QHD instead of upgrading with a 3060 Ti. Do I find increasing prices absurd for the small performance gain? Absolutely and I won't upgrade at any cost (= scalper prices). But don't be that judgemental prick with that kind of comment, you sir don't always make the best life choices I'm sure and I won't throw you under the bus for all that. Still I wish you a great day and I'm going to cuddle my girlfriend since my mother is not there 😉😂
a much needed video, I was thinking of upgrading from 2600 to 5600, but my gpu is in the range of a 3070 and I play at 1440p. From what you've shown here I'd gain maybe 5fps on average... so I think I'll just keep my 2600 for now
It is 11:09 in Germany, do you guys decide your upload time in australien time or do you look at a US time? Or do you just upload as soon as possible, not considering time? Greetings from Germany, Love you guys :)
Great benchmarks. We appreciate the time you take to deliver us the facts. I have the 3600XT and a Radeon XFX 5700XT, you have confirmed my thoughts that the way forward for me is to purchase a 6800XT, thanks Steve.
One of the most interesting benchmark results I have seen this year. It has given me a good idea on what I should do with my Ryzen 1800x, I didn't think I needed to upgrade the CPU before I purchased a new GPU. I also ruled out the 5700XT, it is now one of my options for when they are available again at MSRP. Thank you for the work done on this video!
This video shows the reason why I play in 4K. Yeah, I must buy more expensive GPU but I can still rock my 4790K without, mostly, leaving performance on the table.
I used to have the non K version of that CPU. Really loved it, would still run it if it didn't die on me. Not just the good overall performance but the low power consumption when idle was so impressive.
Yeah but you should prob consider if you have simply gotten used to the microstutter. When I first upgraded to Ryzen from my i5 2500, I kept the same gpu for a few months and played the same games. Average fps was almost equal but I immediately noticed a huge increase in "smoothness" (a term Steve from GN doesn't really like, lol). I had gotten used to the stutterring to the point where it felt normal and didn't notice it anymore. You can see it even in this video, the 1% lows are worse on the 1600x, even though average fps is the same as 5600x at 4k. The 4790k is a pretty old architecture at this point, there are instruction sets it doesn't have compared to the new ones. And if you can afford a 4k monitor and gpu, can you really not afford a latest-gen 6-core cpu?
@@baalrog666 a) I have no microstuttering. All programs show constant 16.6ms; b) yeah, of course I have money to buy new CPU and RAM and mobo. But I wait for DDR5.
6800xt is too close in speed to 3090 so it would be useless in this test. Same reason why there Are not nvdia 2070, because it is too close amd 5700xt!
I was literally looking for this data 3 days ago, this data is amazing. It looks like my Ryzen 2700 (with OC) is perfect match for my RTX 3070 in Ultrawide 1440p.
Great job! I see two options for people on Ryzen 1600 or 2600, 1080p and something lower or equal to a 5700XT (not that is needed right now but in the future), 1- upgrade CPU and GPU 2 - upgrade Sell 1080p Monitor and get a 1440p Monitor with a new GPU. The 3rd option is what I am doing with my Ryzen 2600OC and 2060 Super OC, just stay put and continue to enjoy smooth sailing at 1080p!
I have a 2600 as my backup PC and honestly don't see much of a difference to my main machine. If I were you I'd wait for the next generation with new mobos and DDR5 (maybe?). Main thing is that you have your memory running as fast as you can for the 2600 (mine is 2666 ram running at 3000)
@@Bareego I’m running my ram at 2133... I didn’t know the 2600 didn’t support 4x4gb ram so I’m not utilizing it to its full potential... if I try to go any higher then I get blue screens
This is an absolutely the most complete datasets I have watched so far in comparing various AMD Ryzen 5 CPU generations' performances across popular AMD Radeon RX 5000 series GPUs and NVIDIA RTX 3000 series GPUs. Great guide for upgraders who want to assess gaming performances of mid-range AMD Ryzen 5 CPUs.
It runs bad on Nvidia gpus AMD have no fingers in this . AMD might optimized their drivers to run better with Ryzen and Nvidia doesn't care they will sell every shit they poop so why bother making good drivers ?
It's good to see Amd optimising rdna on their ryzen platform, but yeah Steve will have to look further into this. Nvidia really needs to optimise better on older ryzen or a else a 3070 is no real upgrade over a 5700xt
It would be nice to investigate this anomalies especially the watchdogs medium 1080p with 6800xt and 6900xt to compare if the issue persists or not with AMD high end GPUs. So someone to buy ryzen knows what of GPU to search for lol
people in 2016: 4k will be the new 1080p in 2021
people in 2021: cyberpunk at 720p isn't that bad
People in 2021: Buying a 4 year old gtx 1060 for 300$/€ isnt that bad xD
🤣🤣🤣
1440p is now the new 1080p since 720p is very common 😂.
@@fallentrash1673 1440p is now the new standard like 1080p was but thats just because graphics of games didnt get too much better. There was a big change when PS4/X1 came out and since then its pure stagnation, only big difference is ray tracing.
@@MisoElEven ray tracing is argumentative for me... issue comes down to the fact you need to tone down resolution scaling in order to use "ray tracing effects" which over the years developers made a lot of techniques/standards to get over some of these hurdles while working within the constraints of the tech at the time.
for now... the biggest advancements will probably be FidelityFX/DLSS which will enable playable ray tracing, higher resolutions, better frame rate
This editorial direction is marvelous. Bryan Del Rizzo will be ecstatic.
Ahm, i know this sounds awkward. But was the 'Verrge' spelled correctly?
@@robertanthonybermudez5545 Yes, because its Verge 2.0. There is also Verrrge. Unless you're in France where they roll their "R's"
@@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep so who represents the Verrrge right now? I want to know? Verge 2.0/verrge is so 2020.
Tweezers crossed 🙏✌️
@@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep They roll Rs in France?
**Steve benchmarks*
“Hey guys here are some results!”
**Goes back to benchmarking*
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This is definitely one of your best videos so far!
I can't even imagine how much of a grind this was.
If RedBull isn't a sponsor of Hardware Unboxed yet I'm starting to think Steve has grounds for legitimate complaint! :P
- Do you even bench, bro?
Steve: More than you ever will, bruh.
Now THIS is a cool video. Love stuff like this. Thanks for putting in so much hard work Steve. Can’t even imagine how much work this required.
You havent even watche dit yet :DD
@@randomguyeating3989 doesn’t matter
Blue is Love 😍
@@CaptainScorpio24 what does this even mean lol?
@@lukesalvidge5451 I have no idea. Maybe it’s an Intel fanboy comment?
Excellent, high attention to detail. I very much look forward to your next iteration(s) on this branch of testing.
Undoubtedly these graphs have taken a long while to create. Thank you so much for the effort you guys put in.
Always watch from beginning to end. Thank you. This puts things into perspective. My take away is that my 1700x is still great for 1440 ultra wide at 60hz in AAA games
I was worried my 5700XT equivalent GPU was held back by the 1700X at 1440p @ 60hz. I'm very glad this isn't the case. The 5700X CPU is so tempting at $189 new right now.
Next please do:
"11 years of i3 scaling"
You want Steve not to sleep? Just, no.
youd have literally nothing changing for good 7 years :)
xD
2500k, the legend goes on
considering the 4700k still holds up that video will be a snooze fest
Steve's friends: what made you marry Steve?
Steve's wife: his massive benchmark
He's my Hwubbie
*Jessica Rabbit voice *:
He makes me graph.
his frametime pacing tho ;)
nice amount of likes please dont add
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Can we just appreciate that Ryzen didn’t have to drop core count to improve core clocks unlike someone 🤔
Who needs sleep when there's a new Hwub video!
exactly
5 am, the best time to start another video!
It’s 3:30pm here😅
Paying tribute to Steve's lack of sleep that led to this video with your own lack of sleep to watch it :D
I appreciate this benchmark Steve. It shows that these new CPUs (ZEN3, 10/11th Gen Intel) really only benefit the new crop of GPUs from NVIDIA and AMD *that currently are overpriced and virtually non-existent* .
When you compared them next to previous gen GPUs is it is essentially looking at mid-range (RX 5600 XT, 5700 XT) vs high-end (RTX 3070, 3090)
The 2080 Ti was often CPU bottlenecked at 1080p so it's no surprise for me to see the RTX 3070 is showing the same behavior, so the 3070 GPU should definitely be seen as a high end card unlike its RTX 2070 predecessor that performed like a mid-range card no matter what CPU you paired it with.
I wish you added more GPUs to this benchmark, I needed to see more mid-range Geforce cards here, like the GTX 1660 Ti and RTX 2060 Super, and although there aren't many, maybe the high-end Radeon VII should have been shown.
Please make a Part II.
I think we need to wait for the current-gen midrange cards to come out - though I'm sure Steve will be thorough enough in his benchmarking that he'll have made good use of his time until that happens.
considering those GPU are similar to rx5700XT, shouldnt the result be similar? little difference of fps.
AMD cards are MSRP. Nvidia are still overpriced.
@@GODVxXxV GTX 1660ti closer to rx5600xt, but yeah.
Thank you for this video, you saved me some money. Was thinking of switching from 2600X to a 5600 (non X). GPU is a 5700XT and I'm playing on 1440p. And seeing this video it made me realize that for this particular GPU there wouldn't be any observable performance difference. In case I upgrade GPU I also need to upgrade my CPU too. Thanks for making me realize this before buying.
I have a 2600 oc (similar perf as 2600x) with a 2060 super and 1080p 144Hz. I play all sorts of games and I have been also thinking about getting either a 1440p monitor or a 5600. A used 3600 is also an option but everything I play has good performance so having a second 1440p monitor sounds tempting.
Option 1 - exploit the 144Hz to the max with a used 3600 or new 5600 upgrade
Option 2 - add a second monitor (1440p) for AAA / exploration games
I have a 4k TV that I have setup to run at 1440p but it is 60Hz and I am now so used to more fps
If you ever want to upgrade the GPU, then a 5600 would be a great option, as shown in this video. During the holiday sales a new 5600 was $140 US on Amazon. Unless, you prefer buying an entire new PC for a few thousands more...
Seeing the results of the 3000 series on Zen and Zen+ makes me want an updated chart with a single 6000 series card. Like the 6800, 6800XT, or 6900XT. Could be a case of those cards being better suited for old Ryzen CPUs. Could be interesting to see for people like me with a 1600 and a 4K monitor who is considering upgrading just the GPU.
EDIT: I had not finished watching this video, so I'm glad to see that you agree with me at 18:15-22. Thank you for these fantastic comparisons! It really helps, and it's so fascinating to see how performance progresses :)
Bro.... this was exactly the kind of video I was just thinking about wanting to find. Great timing and thanks for the info !
4 years of ryzen 7 next!
The is no point of doing that.The results are gonna be pretty much identical to this.I would rather him do a intel i5 series
im addicted to these video! thanks so much for putting so much effort into these videos! it means a lot to somone like me i love these video
You had me at massive benchmark
I have a question for your monthly Q&A: how often do you have dead/stuck pixels in monitors you review? How do you deal with them?
That's a good question.
you need to ask it in the community post when they put it
@@katech6020 where will it be posted?
@@lamboronald489 you should be able to find it in their community tab on their channel when they decide to post about it
That's a pretty pointless question...how do you "deal" with a stuck pixel? Like what do you want to know, if he goes to therapy to learn how to handle it? Or do you think he takes apart the monitor and replaces the pixel? Wtf... 😂
3:50 Cyberpunk 1080p Medium results are also super weird. 5700xt is 10 fps faster than 3070 and 3090 for the 1600x !! Great work Steve.
This content is friggin awesome - keep up the good work guys!!
Imagine owning a 5700 xt and ofter months of wait "upgrading" to a 3070 to discover this.
What do you mean? There's a substantial difference between a 5700xt and 3070..
@@12Music72 Just watch the video.
@@Mandrag0ras I know. But 1440p 144hz with a 5800x like me and it's obviously way faster. It would be silly to get a 3070 for 1080p...
Looks like r5 3600 is all I need to run 1440p with rtx3070 now. Thanks a lot for the detailed video. This saved quite a lot of money for me as 5600x is priced double of 3600x in my country. Please keep up the good work. Love all the effort you put in
Outstanding work. I absolutely love this stuff! This will be one of those videos that I will keep watching over and over again. The right mix of cpu and gpu is more important than blanket statements.
I just left my online class for this
Nice content guyzzz
Why?
@@randybobandy9828 lol I wanted to see what sir Steve had in store for us today
If you paid attention in class, maybe you'd spin less
its actaully hilarious because people act like if they cared but they dont, is kind of amusing at the very least.
Because of you Steve, my Ryzen 1600X is having a great day! Thanks :)
Do you have plans to test 4 years of Core i5 too? I Wonder if the Ampere thing persists on Intel platform.
they will all perform very similarly since all of them are SkyLake with extra freq or extra cores
It isn't worth to test 4 years of i5 the performance isn't much different from the 6th gen i5s
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 No IPC sure, but we went from 4/4 cores/treads to 6/6 to 6/12 and clocks inched a little bit higher year over year. So there's that.
I would not want to watch a boring video with extremely predictable outcomes.
IPC would have increased since you have cache increases, from 6 MB in the 7600K, then up to 9MB in the 8600K/9600K and finally 12 MB in the 10600K.
Had a long day, saw the title of your video and just cant help smiling. Looks like my decision to combo the 3600X + 3070 for 1080p was right.
I usually don‘t write comments but this is exactly the video i was looking for. With black friday coming up, i had the idea to upgrade my 1600x. But seeing these charts and only running a 2060 @ 1440p made me realize that i‘d most likely see a 0% improvement. I knew that i was gpu bound but i didn‘t knew just by how much and how potent that 1600x still is. So a big thank you for putting in the work and helping me save money.
This is pretty much the only channel i know of, that tests cpus with gpus other than a 3090 in order to create a more realistic scenario where there might not be such a performance uplift between one and the other cpu. So please, keep up the great work.
Brilliant as always, and I am very keen to see the 6000 series be thrown in there (really like to see the difference between the 6800 and 6800xt on the 3600/5600)
Im still on 1st gen ryzen 1700x and have been looking at a upgrade CPU for awhile to the point of almost going in... I have a rx 5600xt and after seeing this video I can see I just dont need to unless I'm upgrading gpu aswell!! Thank you guys great work gpu scaling vids are S++ tier!
This might be the single most interesting and informative CPU video I've ever seen.
Appreciate all the time you take to put these videos together dude. Interesting to see the differences between my 1600x and 3600x systems in graphs. Great video, thank you.
would love to see a benchmark like this for Adobe Cloud content creators. video edit, photo edit, after effects, animations, etc
These are the kind of benchmarks I didn't know I even wanted. I hope you continue this series! I'd like to see a deeper dive into the 1600 and 2600 with an expanded GPU list to compare against the 3070. Vega, 10 series, 20 series, and see what exactly is going on.
That wine sure is tasting fine!
This was so helpful, I would love more scaling vids!
Very informative video, great work as usual~ Guess my 2600x will still be rockin' on if I ever get to upgrade my GPU. 🙃
Outstanding content/testing. I’m still on the R5 1600AF (OC’d roughly 15%) and a 5600XT. This absolutely helped me plan a reasonable upgrade path once prices normalize. Thank you so much for your hard work!
This is the exact video i was waiting for.
Guess I’ll stick with my 2600x then
Thx steve
Try a 2700X and see if the gains are worth it.
That is if the price has come down since I last checked.
It was weird how long that chip held its value.
Yep. My 2600 is just fine. Built mine March of 2019.
@@noanyobiseniss7462 you think that’s worth it? I would rather go for 3700x
your comment doesnt make sense. did you plan to upgrade? if so. why?
i mean you obviously do not have performance issues otherwise you would upgrade.
now you see benchmarks of a few gpu demanding games which you might not even play and you decide not to upgrade.
wtf
@@AzumDzumHzumS I’m going to upgrade my gpu, once i can get my hands on a 3080/3070 for a reasonable price.
i was planning to upgrade to a 5600x as well, but it seems like if I’m only gaming at 1440p there is no need if prices stay this high
Also: I’m playing all of these games
I'm still rocking an 1800x here, but i've been pondering over whether upgrading would actually benefit me much with my 3060 ti and 4k tv (usually play around 1440p) and there is very little info out there about higher resolutions going back as far as 1st gen Ryzen, this is exactly what I needed, thanks guys
Thank God for the notification, I was getting bored to hell.
curb your "maximum strength" bro
Pretty interesting results in there, definitely interested to see a part 2. Thanks for the hard work as always!
"-six hundred X" the movie.
I am in awe. This must have taken ages to complete. You guys are amazing! On behalf of the community, thank you!
I was on the fence about switching from 3600 to 5600x this was exactly what I needed
CPUs still need to play catch-up at those tiers of performance bottlenecking gpus , the differences is so minute at the moment
@@chillhour6155 Its my 1st ryzen rig im not updated. Last pc I built was around the time ryzen gen1 released though it wasnt available anywhere lol
I guess it depends on the gpu but you should be fine. I built my first PC at the beginning of 2020 with B450 msi gaming pro carbon, Ryzen 7 3700x and Nitro + 5700XT. Back in December I ended up getting a 6800XT and sold the 5700XT. Im not upgrading my motherboard or cpu. The differences aren't worth it for me from what I have seen at this point in time.
Nice, I'm still running 1st gen ryzen 3 unfortunately, just before I pulled the trigger on a 3300 the market went mad
@@chillhour6155 yeah my rx 580 that i got on launch apparently goes for 800$ on new egg lol
Thanks for this. This is exactly the kind of content more system builders need to watch. I dont think reddit r/buildapc goes a single day without someone asking "will CPU x bottleneck GPU y?" and in almost every case the answer is no if you are targeting 1440p or above gaming. Im typing this on a 1600AF/5700XT build. I took money saved on my CPU (got mine at the $85 price) and put it toward a better GPU.
WHen most people look at CPU reviews they forget to look at the GPU being used so when they see a CPU that is "faster" than their they think "Oh I want to game faster". That is great but unless you are using the same 2080ti or now 3080/3090/6800 as the test did, your mileage is going to not going to vary, it wont change a single bit.
Again, thanks and I cant wait until you add in the Intel CPUs so there is a comprehensive look at where CPU bottlenecking ends and GPU bottlenecking starts. Right now a 5600X or higher AMD CPU is golden across the board. If your GPU is below the 3070 in performance, that drops to a 3600X. Given the difficulty in getting both CPUs and GPUs right now, thats good news.
Thank goodness AMD came out with a winner. Ryzen really was their last chance, and who knows what the CPU market would look like today if they hadn't restored competition.
Remember folks, just before Ryzen we had Intel charging $1,000 for 8 cores and $1,700 for 10 cores.
Please make a video on the Pcie gen 4 usb issues that X570 and B550 suffer from. The only solution seems changing it back to Gen 3. It does not even work for some as well. You guys are the only ones who could bring light to this issue. PLEASE.
6:31 how the tables have turned... it used to be AMD with the bad driver for weak cpus, so now lower end nvidia cards will suck even more
Thanks! The results are directional in terms of future scaling, but here are three observations after looking at the data extensively:
1) If you are targeting 1440p and want to build a PC with future GPU update in mind, get whatever is available and near MSRP. If not, get whatever is available and near MSRP.
2) If you are tageting 1080p, and want to build a PC which you plan to ride out until next gen upgrade, get whatever is available and near MSRP.
3) If you are targeting 4K, and want want to build a PC, Google Stadia.
I like how AMD has increased the budget of their ryzen boxes but reduced the budget of cooler included in them from 2017 to 2021 😂
true story bro :D
is that for real? ive still got my wraith thingy in its orig box, as i just went aio. but looking at it, i thought it was pretty boss stock cooler. you'd be even cooler if you got the rgb version =)
@@Ready_Fire_Aim I mean, you used to get a wraith spire cooler on a ryzen 5 0000x series processor, but with the new 5600x, they have reduced it to wraith stealth(the worse out of the three) and there is no cooler included anymore with newer ryzen 7 5800x or a 5900x (5950x is understandable) not even a chunk of aluminium with a fan on top of it lol
@@OmPrakash-pc1ec ya i want the wraith prism for 5600x not stealth :(
Amazing results, I was really surprised by some of these. Thanks for all the work
This is actually a really interesting video! I'd love to see a similar video on Intel.
I'm a proud owner of a 5600X, upgraded from 1600( non X ) on release, the difference was immediately felt, ngl .Though I also upgraded the RAM( from 3000MHz 2x8 kit, to a 3600MHz kit) and MOBO, so that might also have had a bit of an impact. I've loved Ryzen even since I switched from my i5 3470 (another legendary CPU btw) based system in 2017, till today. The 5600X is just meant to be a gamer, and it fucking delivers.
Would be nice to see the same with intel.
Why would you want to see an extra 3% performance over 4 years? 🤷🤦
@@MafiaboysWorld If he tests i5 from 7th to 11th gen, you will see much more than 3% per year. Mostly cause 6-9th gen i5 parts are complete garbage. High clocks but only 4-6 threads, that hurts perfomance A LOT in modern AAA titles.
@@TTL_Tsaki 7600K to 10600K = 3%, 5% if I'm being generous. That's 4yrs of Intel compared to 4yrs of Ryzen.
@@MafiaboysWorld 4/4 to 6/12 with better clocks is 3-5%? Bruh, get your facts straight please.
Bruh.
Man, you really do make quality content. I'd like to see a couple more game optimization videos, like you did with Shadow of the Tomb Rader, but your benchmark videos, like this, are top tier.
Steve, your benchmark contribution is really appreciated. Thank you so much for this! I am kind of curious of the 2700/2700X... how much difference do these extra core counts make? I bet it is negligible in today's titles right? I am actually really happy about my performance... but then again. I am rocking a GTX1070. :)
I think the GTX 1080 Ti, RTX 2080 Ti and RX 6900 are needed to see what the hell is going on with that Ryzen 5 1600X. Great job Steve!
“Quite the generational leap” eh? 😜😂
Thanks alot guys, i'm most likely to purchase 5800x3d and upgrade the gpus til probably AM6 matured (6-7 years+ update cycle like Playstation)
Best benchmarking channel! Peoriod!
It's AMAZING the amount of effort you do for us, and the good quality of the results and conclusions that you get. Thank you very much!!
Ryzen 5 2600 still going strong!
yes mine gets bottlenecked by my gtx 1060 :(
It should is not that old. A system gets old around 5-7 years when it cannot run latest apps
Ryzen 1600 and not going strong :(
3950x overclocked to 4.3Ghz still running strong 💪.....
@@6ch6ris6 a 2600 doesn’t get bottlenecked by a 1060... when I built my first pc I paired my 2600 with a RX570 and everything ran perfectly
I have a 1600X and 5600XT. so, unless I upgrade from a high-end GPU such as the 3070, upgrading my CPU won't really gain me anything at 1080p. That is really good to know. I don't use my PC for productivity, just gaming. This video saved me 300 bucks or more...
I just might join your Patreon just as my thanks for this video!
Looks like my 1800x does still do very well with my 5700XT.
That's what many people fail to understand, for the casual gamer, a better GPU is always better than a better CPU
@@amaurytoloza1511 I wouldn't say always. It just depends which one you want to bottleneck. Therefore I would rather have GPU to be the bottleneck, because they tend to be cheaper than the CPU to drive it.
@@hansmaulwurf8027 well not always, now, 99% of the modern AAA games will be heavily GPU bound. I think the games sampled here are very representative of what to expect for most games
The 1800X was and still is no slouch. Perfectly fine for the next 3 to 5 years, especially since titles are becoming more and more GPU bound due to crappy generational performance jumps from Nvidia.
same here with my 1700 though I don't game much anymore but still does well for content creation.
Interesting observations, and unexpected results in some areas. I would be interested in seeing this comparison expanded to other products 😁 Thank you!
Random comment: It may be useful to represent this data (especially after you include Intel CPUs and the latest Radeon GPUs) as a matrix (e.g. CPUs in a column header, GPUs in a row header with the FPS at their intersection).
Ohh that would be so insane. Just throw it in the face of anyone who's asking what pc specs they should choose lmao
I feel like making this wouldn't be TOO difficult. Might do it later.
I'm thinking CPU's on the y-axis, either sorted by launch price, or by fps with 3090, and then GPU's on x-axis.
And then on one page it's 1080p medium 14 game average, next it's 1080p high 14 game average. Of course you could also do it for every single game, but THAT would be a lot of work lol
@@thelazyduck9370 you don't actually have to do it by hand like this. Just start with a sheet that has the columns CPU, GPU, game, resolution, quality, and FPS. You can then make the matrix using a pivot table in either Google Sheets or Excel. This way you don't have to pick what to include where, because you can simply filter out what you want and what you don't in the pivot table easily.
Excellent work with this video, everything I wanted to know about R5 3600X vs R5 5600X and RTX 3070 @1440p.
My conclusion, why it would be nice to upgrade my R5 3600 to a R5 5600X, it is more of a luxury upgrade than a necessity.
Great content, I was wondering if changing my 3600 for a 5600x paired with a 3060 Ti in 1440p was useful: here is the answer 👍
I was wondering the same thing but for my 1600, think I'll hold onto it for a little bit longer. As I plan to move to 1440p
3600 is probably still good for several years to come, unless you’re in heavy rendering.
A relatively decent CPU is more than enough as most games are GPU bound. So a 3600 will do just fine for the years to come
@Lostie DeMonde idk what any of this means but sure dude
@Lostie DeMonde I totally agree about this industry creating fake needs but what if I have some money to burn in hardware for my guilty pleasure since we can't travel as freely as before for exemple? Of course I could have kept my 5600XT for a perfectly fine experience with 60 fps QHD instead of upgrading with a 3060 Ti. Do I find increasing prices absurd for the small performance gain? Absolutely and I won't upgrade at any cost (= scalper prices). But don't be that judgemental prick with that kind of comment, you sir don't always make the best life choices I'm sure and I won't throw you under the bus for all that. Still I wish you a great day and I'm going to cuddle my girlfriend since my mother is not there 😉😂
The amount of data here is insane.
Do you even sleep?
a much needed video, I was thinking of upgrading from 2600 to 5600, but my gpu is in the range of a 3070 and I play at 1440p. From what you've shown here I'd gain maybe 5fps on average... so I think I'll just keep my 2600 for now
If you use upscaling the 1080p data becomes more relevant. People in practice tend to notice the better lows as much as a few fps.
It is 11:09 in Germany, do you guys decide your upload time in australien time or do you look at a US time? Or do you just upload as soon as possible, not considering time?
Greetings from Germany, Love you guys :)
They can upload the video and schedule when it will be released, if you want their videos as fast as possible check them on floatplane
This exactly the video I asked for a couple of weeks back. Thank you very much for your hard work
Well I'll keep my OC'ed 2600 a bit more.
Just buy a radeon gpu since RTX 3000 series uses the bulldozer architecture which will have scaling issues at 1080p and even 1440p.
@@makisekurisu4674 what?
@@earnistse4899 You heard me Bulldozer architecture like the AMD FX cpus but Nvidia's version is more amped up thats all I think.
@@makisekurisu4674 my guy cpus and gpus are totally different, gpus are lots of slower cores
@@isabdi04 I was talking about the architecture and design philosophy.
Not necessarily head to head performance.
Great benchmarks. We appreciate the time you take to deliver us the facts. I have the 3600XT and a Radeon XFX 5700XT, you have confirmed my thoughts that the way forward for me is to purchase a 6800XT, thanks Steve.
Just woke up from a nap, missed my homework due at midnight but sure didnt miss this video drop at 5am lmfao
Basically the story of my life, missed an arbitrary online due date, but never a Harbour Boxed video during human malware school!
You lead an exciting life so glad you shared with us
One of the most interesting benchmark results I have seen this year. It has given me a good idea on what I should do with my Ryzen 1800x, I didn't think I needed to upgrade the CPU before I purchased a new GPU. I also ruled out the 5700XT, it is now one of my options for when they are available again at MSRP. Thank you for the work done on this video!
This video shows the reason why I play in 4K. Yeah, I must buy more expensive GPU but I can still rock my 4790K without, mostly, leaving performance on the table.
What GPU did you paired with your CPU ? Just curious
@@yan3066 I have 2080Ti.
I used to have the non K version of that CPU. Really loved it, would still run it if it didn't die on me. Not just the good overall performance but the low power consumption when idle was so impressive.
Yeah but you should prob consider if you have simply gotten used to the microstutter. When I first upgraded to Ryzen from my i5 2500, I kept the same gpu for a few months and played the same games. Average fps was almost equal but I immediately noticed a huge increase in "smoothness" (a term Steve from GN doesn't really like, lol). I had gotten used to the stutterring to the point where it felt normal and didn't notice it anymore. You can see it even in this video, the 1% lows are worse on the 1600x, even though average fps is the same as 5600x at 4k. The 4790k is a pretty old architecture at this point, there are instruction sets it doesn't have compared to the new ones. And if you can afford a 4k monitor and gpu, can you really not afford a latest-gen 6-core cpu?
@@baalrog666 a) I have no microstuttering. All programs show constant 16.6ms; b) yeah, of course I have money to buy new CPU and RAM and mobo. But I wait for DDR5.
Now I have narrowed down my upgrade path for gpu and cpu. Thanks for the information and charts.
Would be very interesting to see the Radeon 6000 series graphics cards in this kind of test.
6800xt is too close in speed to 3090 so it would be useless in this test. Same reason why there Are not nvdia 2070, because it is too close amd 5700xt!
Great work. I'm on the fence about upgrading my 2600x to a 5600x. This video helps
A decade of i5 scaling coming up next I hope :D
I love these type of benchmarks and thanks for all the hard work that was put into making it! :)
Dan I should be asleep but I’m to dame busy Praying to shrek
Same it 5 in the morning.
I was literally looking for this data 3 days ago, this data is amazing. It looks like my Ryzen 2700 (with OC) is perfect match for my RTX 3070 in Ultrawide 1440p.
Can u do video about Asus tuf VG27BQ Please
Great video as always. I guess no need to upgrade my ryzen 2600 yet for 1440p gaming paired with RTX 3070.
All of these benchmarks just show me how incredible the 3600 and 3600x are. Insane value.
I picked up a Ryzen 5 2600 for €70 ($85 USD) more than a year ago and recently paired it with a RTX 3070 and 1440p monitor. No complaints at all.
Great job! I see two options for people on Ryzen 1600 or 2600, 1080p and something lower or equal to a 5700XT (not that is needed right now but in the future), 1- upgrade CPU and GPU 2 - upgrade Sell 1080p Monitor and get a 1440p Monitor with a new GPU. The 3rd option is what I am doing with my Ryzen 2600OC and 2060 Super OC, just stay put and continue to enjoy smooth sailing at 1080p!
Lol this video comes out as I’m thinking of upgrading my R5 2600 to either a R5 5600x or R7 3700x
I have a 2600 as my backup PC and honestly don't see much of a difference to my main machine. If I were you I'd wait for the next generation with new mobos and DDR5 (maybe?). Main thing is that you have your memory running as fast as you can for the 2600 (mine is 2666 ram running at 3000)
I've seen 5600X destroying 3700X in everything.
@@Bareego I’m running my ram at 2133... I didn’t know the 2600 didn’t support 4x4gb ram so I’m not utilizing it to its full potential... if I try to go any higher then I get blue screens
@@Denasdc I’m thinking of getting the 5600x now and then when the 3070 gets cheaper in like 1 year or two I’ll replace my 5600xt.
@@erickabundis7952 get the 6800
This is an absolutely the most complete datasets I have watched so far in comparing various AMD Ryzen 5 CPU generations' performances across popular AMD Radeon RX 5000 series GPUs and NVIDIA RTX 3000 series GPUs. Great guide for upgraders who want to assess gaming performances of mid-range AMD Ryzen 5 CPUs.
Seems like Amd wants old ryzen users to buy their rdna gpus
It runs bad on Nvidia gpus AMD have no fingers in this . AMD might optimized their drivers to run better with Ryzen and Nvidia doesn't care they will sell every shit they poop so why bother making good drivers ?
It's good to see Amd optimising rdna on their ryzen platform, but yeah Steve will have to look further into this. Nvidia really needs to optimise better on older ryzen or a else a 3070 is no real upgrade over a 5700xt
I watched from start to finish! I love these indepth benchmarks! They really are eye opening! Cant wait to see more!
None of you guys have finished the video
HWU💙
i have but whatever
@@amashaziz2212
Do you realize that my comment was 2 hours before yours ?
@@alikhaled2389 oh yeah i didn't realise
@@amashaziz2212
NP 😉
It would be nice to investigate this anomalies especially the watchdogs medium 1080p with 6800xt and 6900xt to compare if the issue persists or not with AMD high end GPUs. So someone to buy ryzen knows what of GPU to search for lol
Yes, not the full test. Just those od balls with 1600x to see if it is drivers or if it is the cpu...