@@JenT-bj9pe they will. The "if" part is like how pandemic happen or unforseenable events. They will do. Like how active group rn is not even sure "if" they still active next year or the upcoming next year.
Even Bang PD, the creative mind behind the formation of BTS, said he doesn't know if he can create another BTS. That makes it more especial. 7 extremely talented guys, humble with very good personalities, from all over South Korea and to meet all of them in the same era and become their guardian, Bang PD must have done something great in his past life to witness an extra-ordinary journey that made a great impact not just in Kpop but changing the game around the music scene in the whole world. On this note, I believe it was fate. There can never be another BTS as there wasn't another Beatles or Queen or Michael Jackson. Legends came once in a lifetime.
@@sandrahatherley2184 u right 👍 no one no body nothing can beats FATE. On the fun side...i think Mr. Fate & miss Fortune, they are Army in disguise. They continuously make good things happens for BTS via Army 💜😀💪
Honestly, you don't build a fandom like ARMY on music alone. In my opinion, people become true ARMYs when they look past the music and MVs and discover who the members are. A large part of the dedication we feel is based on the behind the scenes content, Run, Bon Voyage, etc. Like you said, there will never be another BTS because you can't replicate the personalities and relationships we are allowed to see due to the massive amount of content.
@@valerie2842 Me, too! Sounds shallow to say it, maybe, but it's true! And I don't think it has as much to do with looks as people think. It's just them!
@@lizzysmom8899 It was their personalities not their looks for me, they made me laugh so hard, it felt like it had been years since I had laughed as hard as I did for them. They, to me, are the most amazing men on this planet, a sentiment that I'm sure all ARMY's share!
Ok but on the opposite side of what you said what about the people who fell in love with the music and live performances first? I’ll never forget listening to hyyh + wings and then witnessing their greatness live . Their catalogue of discography alone and then you add the amazing performances it’s like how can you NOT be a fan...Then that makes you want to learn about their personalities and dynamics behind the music...at least for some of us..but I think there is truth to your point in seeing the behind the scenes elevates them. its literally their dedication, youth, humbleness and genuine comradery between eachother that takes them to another place. It’s like you don’t just manufacture that it has to be there because people can tell when you’re faking it. All these things (discography, live performances, team chemistry and fun dynamics makes them untouchable)...like we really get to witness this and it’s amazing
There will be no next bts because those seven men are unique individually and together.. I also firmly believe that army plays a big part in this conversation. BTS and ARMY are a magical force.
@lemonssssssss4 I think that it requires ALL the pieces to complete the puzzle that is BTS. I also believe that there is a synergy in this mix that elevates BTS to be orders of magnitude greater than the sum of their parts.
Army only plays a role because of the artists. If BTS was talented but were jerks or vice versa, there would be no "Army." The reason Army, who is nothing more then a huge diversity of common people loves BTS so much is because of who BTS is.
True. Me, a 52y/o mom was never a FAN of anybody. I admire MJ, Whitney, Madonna etc, mostly 80s. I just like their music but never been a fan Not until april 2022 when psy and SUGA released “that that”. I said to my self- who is dis guy? OMG, sooooooo charming, so good in rapping (i dont even like RAP😂) Dis momma turned a big fan of BTS bias SUGA💜💜💜
@@mari-crisoaminal8390 I first ran across this group when I happened to see the music video for My Universe. As I listened to other songs their lyrics moved me and I didn't know a word of Korean. When I checked lyrics for the songs that created emotional reactions I was shocked to find that the emotions sparked were spot on without any need for language. My (adult) children were quite alarmed when I began my journey with BTS & ARMY. They actually thought I was being 'sucked into' a cult! Over a year into our journey and when I want to give myself a mood lift I think about that and it is never not grin inducing. 💜
@@shadygladefarm i am smiling reading your reply! I really really felt it🥰 i even told my 25y/o son to read the comments so he can understand why im hooked with the OT7. And im not alone, we’re plenty (plenty like rice😂) and he said, its ok if its younger people and i disagree and told him right away that there’s a lot of ARMYs that much older than me.
I just find it crazy how when BTS were first getting popular, the big 3 (SM and YG specifically) were trying to sabotage BTS, and now they're trying to be them. It's so messed up.
They didn't wanted them to breakout outside Korea but once they did they wanted to create a group like BTS to overshadow BTS for ex superM but failed miserably.
YG will never get more big cause they do the bare minimum idk why fans still eat the bare minimum and still go crazy about the artists under that company
But remember Jim...BTS pre-debut were signed to a label (Big Hit) that was on the verge of bankruptcy. They lived in one very small room and had to choose between 'catching the bus or 'eating that day or week.'! As well, their values and growth together as a group, then as friends, and then and now as 'brothers for life' ..was forged during these difficult periods, but also because of the respect and love, and faith and belief they have for each other and Bang Si Hyuk...who also believed in them and gave them free reign 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 No one can replicate The Beatles, Elvis, Queen etc...AND no one will every replicate BTS.
The songs bts make go beyond the basic lyrics, they tell stories, the lyrics go very deep. Their mvs have story lines that connect multiple songs, albums, games, etc.
There will never be another BTS because each of the BTS members are uniquely themselves and that's where the magic lies- i.e., they are the magic!! Thanks for your reaction and thoughts on this. 100% agree with you.
35:10 and BTS did not have that guaranteed. They dedicated so much of their lives, their bodies, their livelihood to their music, to their fans, to their group for years and years without the guarantee of global recognition and dominance that they would experience in their future. They had dreams and believed in their dream and worked non-stop for that dream. I know they had fear and doubts in their journey and their perseverance is what made them who they are today. They stayed true to themselves, they grew as artists, they cultivated a community very organically, they went through hardships with ARMY going through a lot too, and they truly did succeed beyond their wildest dreams. They dreamed and became someone else's dream, as Suga has said and as they've said in their lyrics before. BTS really did the impossible by believing in it.
Thanks, Jim, for putting this on UA-cam. I find Bora City videos very interesting; always something new for me to contemplate. Your comments definitely added to the presentation. I hadn't thought about the term "perfect storm" in awhile, but it so applies to them, doesn't it? Bangtan Sonyeondan is unique and you mentioned all of the members "unique to the group" qualities. That is why they are the only group that are and will ever be BTS.
It's interesting that you mentioned Enhypen and Seventeen because they are with Hybe, the same company as BTS' label. There's another group, TXT, that are younger brothers of BTS, if you will (Jimin calls them the "babies"). But Bang PD and Hybe do not even market these groups as "the next BTS" even though they are on the same label. They are marketing these groups as their own groups and not copycats, which should be the case. And that's what sets Hybe apart from the "big three" of the K-Pop industry. The management truly believes in music first and their artists, rather than all the trappings of the music industry.
exactly. Bang PD is a genius. BTS is a hiphop based group,but bangPD said, why dont we make a group with lessere memebers but there are no designated spots.....he a true visionary
Exactly! Hybe don't even market their other Kpop groups as the next BTS ,yet other companies don't learn from them. That's why those companies fail to achieve that.
THIS! I see so much potential in Hybe groups (TXT, Seventeen, Enhypen, ...) because their music tells stories that have deep meaning and are connected to the feelings and emotions of the members themselves. And it's a huge plus if the group can write and produce themselves. It feels way more real, honest and genuine. I have never really felt excited for debuts of girl groups before, because they always felt intangible. But New Jeans and Le Sserafim already feel so much different from the rest because of Hybe's influence. It's about their personalities, storytelling, talent, artistry and building a community. Only fewn groups outside of Hybe have ever followed some of these aspects, G-Idle and Mamamoo are one's that come to my mind. It's so sad to see that the beauty standard stands high above music and artistry in South-Korea. They really do care only about the looks and want them to have really little say in their own work for as much control as possible to be able to be the puppet master. By the way, there's so much talent in the K-Pop world. Hundreds of labels and groups that never get recognised because the big labels get all the mediaplay. I recommend to check out the unknown because there really is some talent hidden out there, Oneus for example have really great concepts and content.
lol if hybe believed in music, they wouldnt put so much ugly filters on artists' vocals, and wouldn't throw artists in concepts that don't suit them. like what is going on with txt? magical concept- then emo-concept (and they looked awkward in it) - and now magical again.... it's like hybe wanted to create after bts the group of typical 'pretty boys' but now they're doing whatever they think is trendy. at least that's what it looks like from the side
Bang PD himself has said even he doesn't know how BTS got to where they are (as in step by step definiative play by play workbook) and that if asked to replicate it, he doubts he could. So the fact that other entertainment companies even try is hilarious to me.
BTS is a complete package: talented, creative, professionals, humble, goofy, and sexy af. Don’t tell my daughter I said sexy because she wants to marry Yoongi. 😂
The big three have been trying to end BTS and HYBE since they began. I wouldn't even be surprised if there was some dark money that exchanged hands with the gov to make sure they served. I am so proud of BTS for always fighting to do things their way and be true to themselves. There will NEVER be another BTS. At least not in our space time continuum.
I never thought another co.would stoop low enough to line the pockets of the government, I hope not . But, look at the amount of money BTS has brought into S Korea...let alone the renewed interest in the country as a whole. The language, culture and history,we've all had our fingertips on search engines. As individual as each member is,so too is the individuality of"BTS"!😊😌💜
I actually think they got an ultimatum after Dynamite from the gov. If you win a Grammy, you'll be exempt. Butter was specifically set up to win a Grammy. ( one of the producers had mentioned it in an interview) If you look back at how the members reacted after not getting one after Butter and their little interviews after, it seemed they were resigned. Whether it was from "oh another year of not being recognized " or "damn. Well military it is" I don't know, but I have this funky feeling that the Grammy win would equal Olympic win exemption in the gov. eyes.
@@marissa1341 you might have something here,I think somebody else did some research into this and came out with your results too. But the comparison between an Olympic game is every four(?) years...Now compare that to ten plus years that these members have given consistently to their country. And this is their thanks? Reports of the polls about this was for serving...but the number of people polled were ridiculously low. If you have listened really closely to comments,interviews and bit conversations over the past two years...you'll hear how this was not going away. If you go back and watch their PTD concerts,[plural], you'll see a total difference in all of them. Compared to all other tours. Borahae 💜
@@susank.548 There was a video on this literally last night: South Korea will reputedly lose 7B (in USD) next year by BTS's enlistment. I kinda doubt that any entertainment company- or even the three of them together- could make up that shortfall. (And that doesn't even touch what they're losing in influence and soft power. JK, 5B viewers at Fifa? Busan, 50M viewers on Weverse alone?) There isn't much I'd put past any idol company, especially the Big 3, but those three have been promoting BTS exemption in order to try and take advantage of it for their own idols. (BTS paving the way again-!! Not this time, though.) One thing I do hear, is that the current President is very jealous of BTS and resents them for not performing at his swearing-in. So that may have come into play. Besides, the issue of exemption is very touchy with him. He was exempted due to 'vision difficulties', and yet he's never once publicized the results of his vision tests. So when the government polled and got a +60% approval of exemption from the general public, they played up the military-age respondents who were opposed instead of focusing on the overall preference. Whatever the reason, the government's made their bed of nails, and now they've got to lie on it. And here I sit thinking, "Serves them right. Oh, look, it's the 7 again!"
no they actually used BTS to make them scape goats if they got out of the military duty. people would hate on bts but the next groups will be fine because it´s not their fault. the one who askes for it is always the bad guy. but i think every label want the law changed so they worked together by using BTS as an mean to achieve it. they tried once before but the outcome was only in BTS favour witch was the postponement. that´s why all labels objected to this because they could not benefit from this. only BTS could
The way Jungkook despite getting offers from JYP and other companies still joined bighit because of RM and his works(the fact he became JK's inspiration even without official debut is what gets me 🥺)....the way Suga with broken shoulder stayed and gave his all without any complain....or the way jhope after audition in JYP still continued to practice in there itself for like hours....etc etc.....this speaks their love for music and the hunger to do something...to prove the world they can do it...their passion is really remarkable.....if i remember correctly most artist works with them says that they are really hard working and full of dedication for their work....Lauv once said how he won't make it if he follows bts schedule......so yeah these 7 guys were chosen by destiny....
One thing that I can say that there will be no next BTS, it's bcoz BTS's STORY couldn't be "REPLICATED"... How they struggled since their debut, and their hardships along the way, and surpassed all of those and getting to where they are now... And the army's have seen all of those, and were always there supporting them, and have seen their growth as artists and individuals... The connection between BTS and ARMY is something that u will not find in other groups, frankly speaking... I have not seen an artist that since day one of their career has ever put their fans to the side... They always make sure to connect with the army's no matter how hectic their schedules are... It's the bond between BTS and ARMY that made this whole phenomenon undoubtedly irreplaceable... Not to mention they're talented, dedicated, artistic, hardworking, and genuinely down to earth and humble people... And that's what makes BTS stands out way beyond any other groups out there... And I don't think there will ever be the next BTS, never....
I haven't closely followed many groups except really bts and stray kids and everything I have seen from stray kids and their bond with stays with very similar to that with bts and army they are very close in similar ways (stays and stray kids) and I love both groups for that reason 💜
@@lemonssssssss4244 ya and they do have some very experimental tracks and I completely understand people not liking all of their music... Everyone has personal tastes in what they like... I just want to hear what they do in the future cuz I personally love their just and the message behind it ❤️💜
The Army witnessed them growing up. They spent their life communicating their activities. We watched them when they we’re still awkward teenagers, the funny haircut, the styles, etc.They were not afraid to be human … they show their vulnerability. They showed young boys wrestling, crying , being angry and oppressed. All of these the fans experienced their humanity. Do not forget their TALENT, the voices, etc. You cannot put a price on a mere dance routine and a catchy song.
Like BTS said when others said that they are the 'Beatles of 21st Century', they refused to accept that. Because they are the 'BTS OF THE 21ST CENTURY'.
Reasons why we Army don’t go for looks instead go for talent is because we are here to see art and listen music that’s it. My bias is RM, he wrote and produced songs that I can and all army can relate to. That’s it !!
Exactly when I first saw them i fall for their music, lyrics, song,dance, energy etc I fall in love with them even before differenciat between them like who is who I fall in love with their music even before knowing their name's ♾️💜
BTS is incomparable & irreplaceable. BTS is the BTS of 21st Century. They have cemented their name as a group and as an individual. Guinness World Book of Records is waving. Hello legends.
She makes really good content, it's well researched, good formats for the actual video, and she has thoroughly thought out the concept. And I agree with most of it.
Thanks for this reaction. I have watched a lot of Boracity's video essays as she seems to speak sense. Another one I would recommend is 'Why most Armys are not K Pop fans.' She makes some really interesting ,if controversial, points and uses the charts showing BTS compared to other K Pop achievements which were momentarily shown in this video. BTS will never be surpassed in my opinion. 💜
36:40 you hit the nail right on the head. when i first found BTS they literally sucked me in with all the music they had and what made me an army was the whole process of going through BTS albums performances everything. finding an artist from one good song and realizing they have 100+ more songs just as good and even better is everything a music fan wants. this is also why BTS puts in time and effort to give us not only quality title tracks but also better b-sides because they know that good music lasts forever
Why BTS is so big and why Big Hit was successful? Big Hit was looking for actual talented individuals. RM and Suga were underground rappers, RM had a passion in poetry (he said rapping is like poetry with rhythm) and Suga had a passion in producing (he joined Big Hit originally to be a producer not be part of a boy band). J-Hope won a national award for dancing and Jimin went to a prestigious dance school for contempoary. Jungkook was scouted by 7 labels, so all these labels saw his talent. V was the only person from his city to advance the audition. Jin was scouted based on his looks but spent countless years practicing singing and dancing. You can tell how much he studied and practiced in the Run BTS episode ep134 where members had to guess the song based on a staff member mimicking the dance - Jin guessed and got most of the points (BTS members even joked that J-Hope should be demoted and the new dance leader should be Jin). These are natural talent that took years to nourish and Big Hit did exactly that by letting the members embrace their talents through their music - they had freedom in producing, writing lyrics, creating choreo and much more.
I couldn't say better Jim ...in few words BTS are not only insane talented but they have amazing, unique personalities. . BTS HEAL AND SAFE THOUSANDS OF LIVES EVERY DAY AROUND THE WORLD THROUGH THEIR MUSIC AND PERSONALITIES . There's never gonna be another Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Freddy Mercury so there's never gonna be another BTS. There's never gonna be another fanbase like ARMY neighter.💜💜
I love her channel so much. She did a tremendous job doing these kind of vedios and gives a lot of logical reasons and knowledge to people. She said every single details for every topic she touched. I totally agree with her that there is no other BTS in this lifetime. I agree that there are some amazing talented groups and solo Artists out there and they did their hard work too but If you ask me they still not in the same position as BTS . The talent in BTS that each member has is unmatchable and personally I think the personalities of the members have a major impact on me and I think on Army's too. And I don't think you can copy their personalities. So , in my opinion all the other groups they are amazing on their own , they have their own strengths but people they are still not BTS. As I always say just like there is only one MICHAEL JACKSON in the world , just exactly like that there is only one BTS in this world and they both are legends and people have to stop calling themselves or their groups or any other Artists BTS. AND it's a fact that there is no other Fandom exist named Army like BTS for any other Artist. 💜💜
There could never be "another" BTS because the journey to how they got to where they are now wasn't planned and can't be replicated. I've always disliked the term and idea of fate, but it really feels that way, it's like everything aligned itself in such a way that worked out perfectly. It would take fate for another group to find the same level of success, you can't force something like this. BTS worked hard from the *very* bottom up without expectations to be mega famous, they weren't even trying to achieve that, if you form a group with the goal of trying to do that, it almost never works out because there's no authenticity in that, no sincerity at all.
Absolutely agree that’s there no next BTS, their charisma is so unique, nobody can recreate or improvise it. Their dedication for music and fans is on another level. They created a very strong connection with fans from different counties, even if many of us don’t speak Korean we still enjoy their music and concerts to the fullest. And let me tell you, getting tickets for their concert is very challenging and stressful because they are sold out too fast ….. I adore them as group and as solo artists, they are truly incredible and amazing. I wish that BTS will last forever 💜💜💜💜
She honestly has quite a few really good videos. It would be interesting to watch them with you. I recommend BTS vs radio. Also, a point she didn't bring up is, you never hear them say they're trying to find the next Elton John, George Michael, Queen, MJ, whatever... Why is that? I feel they're trying to either label BTS with the classic boyband image or they're trying to diminish their achievements as artists. 💜
Jim,out of all words in the world to speak,you chose to speak FACTS...Pure,Unadulterated FACTS.!😍 Everything you said resonated with me especially when you said they don't realize the love the dedication,the wave of everything behind BTS,the years of intense dedication between Army and BTS. The genuine love for these Guys and their beautiful personalities,the unique qualities of each member,their talents and skills,their artistry which make us Army root for them. Their hardwork,their dedication to their craft,their humility and thankfulness for every milestone they reach and how they deeply cherish the Army.❤ BTS is now more than Kpop,they are a mystery which cannot be unravelled. They are way out of reach and it's really sad to watch these Kpop groups try so hard only to fail in being the next BTS. Just as Suga said they didn't want to be the next Beatles,they wanted to be the BTS of the 21st century, so i'd urge these Kpop groups to be themselves and NOT the next BTS or the next anything because it is crystal clear that there will NEVER be the next BTS.
Honestly I feel like it is 100% reporters calling groups that... I would say none of the groups have the goal to be the next bts... Famous like bts sure but not to be bts
FYI: At time code 5:20, the suits were a reflection of the song "Idol" music video and concept as "Idol" paid homage to both the Korean and African culture. The suit are what they wore during the promotion of "Idol" and are made out of African Kente Cloth and Ankara Fabric!💜💜
Bang PD did it right organically with BTS he didn't try and be the center of attention like other producers or Ceos. Bts did things that made people fall in love with the humanity, the vulnerability of themselves and the raw talent just was a bonus. Its so many layers to BTS that is real, honest and different and people love that about them you can't package that and sell.
Bts is not just a very famous group....they are a MOVEMENT! Like they introduced the whole world the taste of Korean songs.....a small group from a small country and from a small company now is whole over the world.... Also to create next bts they gotta find the next army's too.
Adding to the unique confluence of events and circumstances, is ARMY…..the kind of OG fans that believed and fought so hard for the artist & the community….translating in real time, organizing activities in different countries, different fanarts, films, etc….add to that all the new & expanding Armies that continue that tradition plus bring in their own unique talents & passion into the community….that is an even harder thing to duplicate.
I have thought of BTS as the "perfect storm" so many times but hadn't heard anyone else use that term for the band. I nearly fell off my chair, lol. You're dead on and the description of the 7 members was perfect. - I am a huge fan of the Boracity Magazine channel. I think it would be great to see you react to more of her content because both this & that channel seem to be thorough & intelligent & thought-provoking.
Hi Jim, I actually watched this a few days ago and was mortified for the artist's that were to become the new Bts. Never, ever will there be another Bts! Trying to use a shortcut never works. Will there be another huge group? Maybe...I agree with this video and what you said. Now, only time will tell. You and everyone have a Lovely Weekend...✌💜
I'm glad you put this up on UA-cam. (I'm really old and sadly Patreon is not in my budget... I make small videos about BTS on YT as a sort of hobby? ) but I have to note that neither you nor the creator of the video mentioned Bang SiHyuk in your explanations. He put BTS together one by one, he nurtured them and believed in them because they weren't in it just for the money. They loved music and felt they had something to say. And he worked with them, helped them write their own music and find their own voice and he suffered with them - he borrowed money from his cousin to finance their early videos. The company was on the brink of bankruptcy before they started to make any money at all. (They were 7 teenage boys living in an apartment with one bedroom). But when he gives speeches about Big Hit or Hybe or interviews about the group, he doesn't take any of the credit. He gives it all to them. There is a half decent video about Bang PD on YT and if you did a reaction about him I think it would attract some good conversation... He really is the father of BTS. Thank you for putting this out here, it was a very nice look at their well deserved recognition in the music industry. 💜😇💜usa
That's the only thing they DO need to copy-- The NURTURING of the members that've been picked out with CARE. Honestly, I think that should be the bare freakin' minimum. And you know what? If they do that, the resulting artists won't even BE anything like BTS. They'll be their own people, and they'd actually be able to exist in the same space as BTS. (barring... y'know, the prejudices of the western music industry. But that's a whole 'nother beast.) These artists will be their own people, and they would be GOOD AT IT. This is something that TXT had to contend with, being BTS's little brother group, 'growing up under their big brother's shadow'. And BH never pushed them towards being 'the next BTS because they're in the same label'. They've been allowed to grow to be their own persons, their own artists, and they're so... so different from their contemporaries, in the best possible ways, let alone different from their older brothers. (I don't consider myself a Moa, but I am so damned proud of those boys and how they were allowed to carve out their own path) That's the formula, I think. And kpop as a whole would be healthier if they adopted it. (Again, hopeful that with BTS paving the way, they could also get people to follow THAT trend too. Seems that all the trends that are being followed are so... surface level. Anything deeper than that just isn't supported genuinely by the labels. I feel so bad for artists that want to flourish as artists.)
There are artists that have been allowed to develop in that sense by their companies that I know of specifically skz and from everything I seen of xdinary heroes who recently debuted have also been allowed to do that as well from what I have seen so far... But yes I 100 percent agree and I wouldn't want those groups to be anyone else except themselves 💜
@@Lydia0325 I also remember Woozi from SVT got a lil tutoring from BangPD recently, on music production. Its the mentorship that I REALLY approve of. Next generation of idols, and music producers, even. Do you also think that self-produced musical content is part of the key to sustainability in kpop, going forward? o.o I think so. I do also think that the usual suspects to the old school mentality would have to someone pry their claws off the groups, though. I think they love their control way too much though. Gives them ownership. *makes a face*
@@anesidora0seneca think alot of groups will be able to start having more control over there music (some already do because of bts) because eventually I feel these companies will see that fans want artists that are making their own music and telling their own stories so I do think it will most likely happen eventually but yes I agree some still want that control over there artists.. I do find that even though I like and listen to many groups music i definitely prefer the artists that are making their own music
@@Lydia0325 I agree for the most part. But I do think that the labels/ceos finding this out is gonna be a slow process. Like one of those "pry _____ out of their cold dead hands" kind of thing. Which makes me so confused as to why instrumental bands arent more numerous. Like, dont need to invest money on dance teachers and backup dancers. Maybe the "balance" is money for studio space, instruments, and production eq. Like, there's Akmu and Day6, for major labels, but..... not much else, I think.
You said it perfectly "other bands need creative FREEDOM". There were and are a lot of other bands that could have ranked a lot higher and done a lot better but the other companies will not let them be themselves at all. That is why BTS is golden. Bighit wanted BTS to be themselves with some things held back but not much.
not all of them can write if given the chance i think they should call the shots on what songs to sing and what they song about. if the label take that from them it makes them like a machine not humans
Supergroup? I didn't even know they existed. With regards to BlackPink the sound maybe catchy but If you dig deeper into their lyrics it's totally nonsense.
I agree, what Simon is NOT accounting for is the bond that BTS has from living together and going through hell together since they were young. And Bang PD said he let them grow organically. They are unique. And as you said, the magic words, CREATIVE FREEDOM 😘💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 Where would the Ramones, Iggy Pop, and Ric Ocasek and countless others be, if it was just looks. And remember in the beginning J-Hope and RM weren't considered attractive enough to be idols and now how many people call them daddy? (Sorry for the crass statement) I think they all are gorgeous and a big part of that is their personality.
I watched RM vlive of his house and I was surprise. His house is vry simple and hv books everywhere, dresses simply dnt evn hv a show rack. They millionaires but still live a humble life. Their personality is different frm the rest and the connection between them is out of the world.
I am 66 and it was BTS's message to the young people (the future leaders) of the world that drew me. Then the lyrics and their personalities. I like their music but not enough to be a fan. It's the entire package that is inspiring and brings out the best in people. They bring hope in a seemingly broken world.
Thank you for your genuine reaction and for appreciating the talent, personality and uniqueness of each member! There never will be a next BTS! They’ve already established themselves as one of the greatest acts in musical history😊
They can't replicate a Suga and an RM.. musical geniuses. Plus there Bang SiHyuk owner of Big Hit...allows creative freedom and respects the artists. and to top that each individual member of BTS is a wonderful human being with their own unique talents. They are a match made in heaven!!!
Thank u so much for sharing this reaction on youtube. I love Boracity Magazine because yes not all of her opinions I can agree but she does has solid points most of the time and actually did research obviously and not biased towards BTS blindly.
Wow thank you for sharing this!! I love this story and all(i mean, ALL) your comment!!! Another big star could be rised, but whoever he is, he is not "Next BTS". BTS is once-in-a-life star. You can not repilicate them.
in my opinion, groups that have the best chance to -ofc not be the Next BTS or whatever bs- carry kpop in an upward trajectory are the ones that are honest in their music/discography. unsurprisingly, hybe groups have the best grasp on this: what i've noticed is that they've extrapolated namjoon's idea of having extended metaphors in their discography to represent the concepts the members are going through in real time. instead of the desert/sea/galaxy, you have enhypen using vampirism as a metaphor for dropping so quickly into the idol life, le sserafim using model/angel iconography to tell their stories, and txt with references to magic as a way to convey how they feel abt their lives as well. it creates a sort of brand for the groups while still being different enough from bts where it doesn't seem like a blatant copy (not to mention the fact that there's direct references too events/members that only these groups have solidify this). i also think groups like stray kids, ateez and gidle are truly making a mark with their members being more hands-on with their careers. all in all, i think 4thh gen groups are in a similar position as 2nd gen groups, where the competition is too high and the market is too saturated for there to be a true standout disruptor. if you think abt it, some of the older 4th gen groups are alr 4 years old, and not a single one is even near the level of 2017 bts (though i also think everything has been pushed back 2+ years bc of covid so i guess we'll have to see if within the next 2ish years there's any level of market disruption that can compare but i doubt it)
Bts es único,solo ellos tienen una conección con sus fans ,son humildes y trabajaron mucho para estar donde están ,los han humillado y aún lo siguen haciendo,los discriminan etc etc ,Bts son únicos en todo sentido ... Gracias por este video👏💜💜💜💜💜
33:20 but the thing is BTS was never lazy. They are still passionate like they were on debut. BTS are on peak, but they still for many hours and dont give mediocre performance. There is huge difference between so called biggest girl group & biggest group performance. BTS have so many songs with powerful vocal & choreography yet they never slack off. And then we have colour group 💀 4 th generation group/rookie group perform better than so called biggest girl group with diverse discography too
BTS-Work ethic, talent, humble people and very real and down to earth, respectful of each other and supporting each other. They care about their fans and their fans equally support and love them. They are pure artists! No one will ever beat them.
I love your objectivity and not wanting to compare artists. I don't think they're comparable,just like everyone is different, groups also are.I respect them all individually for getting out there and sharing what they have with the world. 💜
Thank you for your reaction. So true what you said about hearing a catchy song and if all they have is an album or ep, one will not engage in a deeply meaningful way. RM and Suga were already writing and producing (in Suga's case) music before their debut and already had an international internet following. When I discovered BTS through two songs, I found that I struck a motherlode of content that included their variety shows, their behind the scenes clips, Bon Voyage, In the Soop etc etc. This immersion creates that engagement with BTS as people you would like to have around in your life, beyond the absolutely wonderful music. And because ARMY sees so much of them, there is no room for faking it, they just come across as authentic and because they're following their own path, they do things that are not predictable like, oh, going off to do their own things and not everything is about music. No wonder ARMY are so devoted. There is no magic switch and other companies should just stop trying to find THE formula - however, that is not how their brain is wired.
I think a "perfect storm" encapsulates them and their story pretty perfectly. To find another group to capture the kind of attention that they have you have to find and perfect a different niche, a new take on the genre to capture attention. Also I think it's most important to find members who genuinely have respect for and care for each other and the group as a whole. They have to have that burning passion, singleminded drive on their career and talents. I think those are the most important attributes to any long-lasting group
There won't be another BTS just like there won't be another Beatles or Elvis. There are certain performers or groups that are destined to become legends and no one will or can ever replace them.
I am not a Stray Kid fan...however... I have noticed their company are doing right by the group, letting them be their "own" performers. Those members get to take part in what they do and that allows the singer/dancer/rapper become an actual artist. They get to be true to themselves and their passions instead og the company control everything they do. Stray Kids started small and have given themselves time to grow. If anyone studied what BTS is, it is Stray Kids company.
the reason why stray kids were given freedom with their music was cuz they were an experiment group. The company pretty much just said your own your own, if you succeed great, if you don’t bye bye. They got not much help whatsoever, barley any promotions so their success could have been a hit or miss. Lucky for them it became a hit. But JYP literally had no plan for them other than “let’s see how it will work out” which is why they let the leader chan pick the members. Sad if you think abt it rlly.
@@oyinolubayo7079 It is very sad that the company did not put a support system in place and be on the sidelines for them IF/When they needed it (which Bang PD did, he nurtured). However, I also think it turned out to be a HUGE Blessing in disguise for these guys. I just hope they are earning their worth in $$$ royalties since they do the majority of it all. They believed in themselves and give it their all and that my friend with Stays behind them leads them to the success they are seeing for themselves.
@@oyinolubayo7079jyp let Chan pick the members of straykids because by that point Chan had been a trainie for 7 years and because he trusted him not because he had not hopes for the group whatsoever...he had them go through a survival program in order to test them all so he definitely wanted them to accomplish something
These seven humble magnificent guys were united by fate. They hv gone thru storms n sunshines together n keep strong. BTS + Bang Sihyuk + Army is the formula nobody can ever duplicate. That's why there will be no next BTS ever.
Also just to add....not every kpop group is trying to be BTS. Quite a few are trying to be different/unique and doing the music that they want to make regardless of the hate they get for it.
"The artistry of BTS" is exactly right. The thing is.....these Hugh corporations( or Mr. Simon) think this is about K-pop.. What people decide to listen to in the future, will always be a mystery..
33:14 Exactly, it's not really fair to compare a 10 yo groups to groups who just debuted. But that's exactly another factor which companies need to understand : growth, letting the artists growth. THey push and want their new debuted group to be directly at the top. To sell millions directly (for some it works bc of different tactics), to be directly at the top. Bc of their trainee system. Theses Idols are trained for years so they can debut "perfect", in their mind. But they're not, they have to grow and learn through experience. But theeses companies don't let them grow. Edit : ah it was the next point of the video sdsd, my bad
Songs can be stupid and still be fun lol and it’s alright. But to pretend something is deep when it isn’t… THATS what’s maddening 😅 Same way that if these groups just followi their own journeys it would be ok. But bc these agencies keep placing them as next BTS while trying to diminish BTS success it’s just absolutely gross. They need to play their own strengths.
As those companies cannot find the next BTS, they are now turning towards manipulation. When they cannot recreate it, try to push their groups to stardom by hook and crook. Example: Last Friday's *mix up* of most streamed KPop soloist 2022 list on Spotify and Spotify Wrapped. After officially releasing the top ten most streamed KPop soloists in 2022, Jungkook of BTS, JHope of BTS, and Lisa of Blackpink held the 3 top most posts. During the cause of the day Spotify suddenly changed policies and removed 'collaborations' from these artists making Lisa suddenly the most streamed KPop artist. Strange though that 'collaborations' were also those songs that BTS/Jungkook and JHope have not only been singing but also contributing to the song writing which makes them not collaborations but full performers with their own copyright (My Universe with Coldplay; Bad Decisions with Blanco & Snoop Dogg etc.). It was all very sketchy, especially as Jeremy Ehrlich who is head of Spotify bragged about how he was the one who brought BlackPink to his former employer and he was happy that Lisa was the most streamed KPop artist. Which in itself was not correct because of numbers alone without collabs, JHope would have been the most streamed KPop soloist of 2022. And yet it was Lisa of Blackpink for a few hours. Industry AND ARMY called them out and they actually changed it back. Fun fact this 'error of calculating streams' as Spotify is now calling this only affected BTS and their members, Jungkook, JHope and V whose Christmas Tree song was removed from normal and KPop playlists who had been streming his OST throughout the year and only counted the streams now on Christmas lists. The big companies know but if they would follow the way BTS and HYBE organically grew, they have to admit that their structures of doing stuff that they have been protecting and nurturing for years are actually obsolete. That the structures and organisations of the whole KPop industry are just outdated and should be gone. The mediocre and lazy part comes from the lack of dedication to your work ... notice that the article showed boy and gril groups dancing and they ALL were NOT in sync. They all looked bored and only gave the minimum of effort.
this keeps happening in the american industry lately, first with the Vmas and EMA in all other award shows BTS wont except for those two who choose the winners themself. the needed Lisa to win and i think it´s because she is the one going solo after their disbandment and i believe it could be on an american label. so they are trying to boost her career or else why do they even care? with BTS members they know they can´t be bought. and lately the time magazine even gave them a title. i truly think they are promoting Lisa and in that regard also BP witch is where she got her beginning. it smells so bad. and her song was not even good lack of personality. i mean most american artist tell the producers what they want to sing about they call the shots but not when it comes to kpop and that is what i hate the most. its all media play to get more views and fans. with BTS they are real all the way and i think it´s the main reason they are so big. i think BP got big because of their beauty and their label songs nothing more. and the industry always pointed that out in the beginning when BTS got known. they always talked about kpop machines but suddenly they don´t care about it and instead seeing money on it. tasteless
I totally agree with you with whatever you’re saying. BTS is a unique boy band which comes out several decades after BEATLES. Their songs are of their own genre, of their emotions, mentality. Artistry and feelings that they’re they’re experiencing. As everybody can see they really worked so hard to get to this status. ARMY, their fan base is a strong, loyal, and loves these boys. I’m one of them even at my age. I become young and their songs uplifts me when I’m deep in my work. BORAHAE BTS 💜💜💜💜💜💜
I feel sorry for the kpop groups that are trying to be successful today, we know they all are working hard doing music but they will always behind the shades of Bangtan, they will always be compared to BTS. Just like there is only one Michael Jackson, only one Freddy Mercury, there will only be one BTS and ARMY (real ARMYs) will be with them until their last tour and I hope that happens when we all are old at least in our 70s 😅 Even if they do concerts just sitting on a couch on stage that will still be the best moments in ARMYs lives.
Even if another k-pop group starts selling on the level of BTS... it will be hard to matchup to the level of influence that BTS has as well as the fact that they were the ones to open the door for all of these other artists to have the opportunity to go global and appeal to more fans worldwide. It wasn't the skills and musicality alone that made BTS go global... it was the sincerity, the organic growth, the underdog story, the passion and desire to inspire the hearts of millions... spreading the right messages in the process. Their music has so much sincerity and more often than not the messages that relate to them specifically aren't just empty words. Just like RM's recent 'indigo' album contained nothing but all of the emotional stress and burdens that we already knew he had been enduring BECAUSE of things that they've been saying for years. It is because of that sincerity, the willingness to put their hearts into the music that makes it feel that ARMY is going on a journey with them, sharing in their Highs and Lows. An amazing journey and experience at that.
I've been following your videos for several years now, and one of the things I particularly liked about them is that you really get who BTS. You have deep insight and compassion and are a marvelous human being.
In race of finding next BTS they forget how will they create next army's...army's love BTS for their originality and sincerity for music i don't think any group is able to reach that level of success atleast untill they try to become next BTS and not what they are and wht talent they have..even at first BTS themselves didn't know that they'll become what everybody wants to be they were just doing their own things and reach where they are now i don't why these people don't understand this
Perfect storm as you said. Perfect timing, vulnerable talents but developed incredible chemistry, packed with raw talents met a daddy type producer to let their talents to develop, and to keep their passions going. The superior supporting team behind who just love each other like a family. 7 members trying to be as authentic as they could be in front of anybody. People jump into this rabbit hole not only for their music but also to their personalities. They are like the fresh air of the polluted industry which people have already being sick of it. There could only be ONE BTS, it is like Dr Strange after seeing all the possibilities, there is only one chance to beat Theno.
BTS is filled with members and surrounded by people who have their own talents that surpass than others. Members of BTS never give up and still try to give their best for their ARMY and they love ARMY very much and vice versa. Each member has their own uniqueness and accept each other's weaknesses, strengths, and uniqueness while never stopping to hone their uniqueness without getting bored. They aren't arrogant even though they are at their current level and are always kind and polite to others regardless of the degree of others (something that Koreans in general rarely do) They always remember to thank the people who contribute no matter how small their contribution, they really appreciate it (something that Koreans artists in general rarely do)
34:16 actually this is almost impossile in kpop since all male idols have to enlist eventually and since fans have preference for 'younger' idols it is as it is. I can understand why some companies try to achieve more with their groups as soon as possible
bts started a big ass hallyu wave. they started from the bottom and CLIMBED to the top despite the humiliation racism etc they endured. and they have limitless content. on top of a genuine connection with each other through hardships. thats why its hard to recreate bts especially from a big company. when you debut in a big company or label your debut is already highly anticipated and you automatically get fans from other fandoms under that company/label so even if you don't blow up big you're still at a comfortable spot and are known. take txt for example. debuting under bts puts you under a certain light, notice how a lot of armys became moas too. its natural. thats why they cant become bts ever. bts had nothing. no other fandoms to rely heavily on. kpop wasnt as popular back then as it is now. bts is one of a kind. i think we need to start getting more popular soloists instead. people like Taeyeon IU Woodz etc etc etc to even things out and inspire more people to go solo. theres too many groups, and a lot of them people have never even heard about. theyre doomed to not even get a fraction of the popularity BTS has. its just a lot of young people having their talent and youth wasted after their group decides to disband or something. maybe companies need to stop trying to recreate a story that cant be replicated and instead look for a new angle. idk but im sick of hearing "xyz is in their (insert bts song) era" or something, damn!! i need stuff thats fresh and exciting. not "the next bts". not to mention the kpop songs by boy groups especially disappoint me lately 😭 swear the girl groups carried 2022.
The problem is when the label company become greedy. They will think business' first and art is the last. Off course, group that they create can become big but not as big as BTS. BTS not just pop culture, they have fan like football's fan, fanatic and organize on their own. Their are always a market for beautiful person, beautiful music, beautiful dance, beautiful multimedia, but no or very little value for life. It is pop culture, just for entertainment in the moment then you can forget it. So, it is difficult for kpop idol grow become real artist. If they want to be a real artist, not many label company allow them.
There will never be another BTS. And if they come back in 2025 they’ll be bigger than ever 💜💜💜💜💜
When they come back in 2025 :)
Yes your right.
Agree wholeheartedly!💜
I completely understand the "if" they come back. I try to think about when they do. I pray they come back healthy and happy.
@@JenT-bj9pe they will. The "if" part is like how pandemic happen or unforseenable events. They will do. Like how active group rn is not even sure "if" they still active next year or the upcoming next year.
Even Bang PD, the creative mind behind the formation of BTS, said he doesn't know if he can create another BTS. That makes it more especial. 7 extremely talented guys, humble with very good personalities, from all over South Korea and to meet all of them in the same era and become their guardian, Bang PD must have done something great in his past life to witness an extra-ordinary journey that made a great impact not just in Kpop but changing the game around the music scene in the whole world. On this note, I believe it was fate. There can never be another BTS as there wasn't another Beatles or Queen or Michael Jackson. Legends came once in a lifetime.
Legends come once in a life time....very well said , TQ 💯💯
Well said..no one can replace them
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@@sandrahatherley2184 u right 👍 no one no body nothing can beats FATE. On the fun side...i think Mr. Fate & miss Fortune, they are Army in disguise. They continuously make good things happens for BTS via Army 💜😀💪
Honestly, you don't build a fandom like ARMY on music alone. In my opinion, people become true ARMYs when they look past the music and MVs and discover who the members are. A large part of the dedication we feel is based on the behind the scenes content, Run, Bon Voyage, etc. Like you said, there will never be another BTS because you can't replicate the personalities and relationships we are allowed to see due to the massive amount of content.
I totally agree with you...their Music, Personalities, Humbleness, Army..it was a perfect Mix...💕🤩🙂💕
I fell in love with 7 men first, then their music!
@@valerie2842 Me, too! Sounds shallow to say it, maybe, but it's true! And I don't think it has as much to do with looks as people think. It's just them!
@@lizzysmom8899 It was their personalities not their looks for me, they made me laugh so hard, it felt like it had been years since I had laughed as hard as I did for them. They, to me, are the most amazing men on this planet, a sentiment that I'm sure all ARMY's share!
Ok but on the opposite side of what you said what about the people who fell in love with the music and live performances first? I’ll never forget listening to hyyh + wings and then witnessing their greatness live . Their catalogue of discography alone and then you add the amazing performances it’s like how can you NOT be a fan...Then that makes you want to learn about their personalities and dynamics behind the music...at least for some of us..but I think there is truth to your point in seeing the behind the scenes elevates them. its literally their dedication, youth, humbleness and genuine comradery between eachother that takes them to another place. It’s like you don’t just manufacture that it has to be there because people can tell when you’re faking it. All these things (discography, live performances, team chemistry and fun dynamics makes them untouchable)...like we really get to witness this and it’s amazing
There will be no next bts because those seven men are unique individually and together.. I also firmly believe that army plays a big part in this conversation.
BTS and ARMY are a magical force.
@lemonssssssss4 I think that it requires ALL the pieces to complete the puzzle that is BTS. I also believe that there is a synergy in this mix that elevates BTS to be orders of magnitude greater than the sum of their parts.
Army only plays a role because of the artists. If BTS was talented but were jerks or vice versa, there would be no "Army." The reason Army, who is nothing more then a huge diversity of common people loves BTS so much is because of who BTS is.
Even the current CEO of BH has stated that they could never recreate a group like BTS. BTS is a once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon, in my opinion.
I agree 100%
True.
Me, a 52y/o mom was never a FAN of anybody. I admire MJ, Whitney, Madonna etc, mostly 80s. I just like their music but never been a fan
Not until april 2022 when psy and SUGA released “that that”. I said to my self- who is dis guy? OMG, sooooooo charming, so good in rapping (i dont even like RAP😂)
Dis momma turned a big fan of BTS bias SUGA💜💜💜
@@mari-crisoaminal8390 I first ran across this group when I happened to see the music video for My Universe. As I listened to other songs their lyrics moved me and I didn't know a word of Korean. When I checked lyrics for the songs that created emotional reactions I was shocked to find that the emotions sparked were spot on without any need for language. My (adult) children were quite alarmed when I began my journey with BTS & ARMY. They actually thought I was being 'sucked into' a cult! Over a year into our journey and when I want to give myself a mood lift I think about that and it is never not grin inducing. 💜
@@shadygladefarm i am smiling reading your reply! I really really felt it🥰 i even told my 25y/o son to read the comments so he can understand why im hooked with the OT7. And im not alone, we’re plenty (plenty like rice😂) and he said, its ok if its younger people and i disagree and told him right away that there’s a lot of ARMYs that much older than me.
I just find it crazy how when BTS were first getting popular, the big 3 (SM and YG specifically) were trying to sabotage BTS, and now they're trying to be them. It's so messed up.
Excellent point!
They didn't wanted them to breakout outside Korea but once they did they wanted to create a group like BTS to overshadow BTS for ex superM but failed miserably.
YG will never get more big cause they do the bare minimum idk why fans still eat the bare minimum and still go crazy about the artists under that company
@@hallooos7585 because people hate BTS, and they'll support anything that they think might have a chance against BTS
Lol cry kid. Exo>>>>>>>>>>> btshit
But remember Jim...BTS pre-debut were signed to a label (Big Hit) that was on the verge of bankruptcy. They lived in one very small room and had to choose between 'catching the bus or 'eating that day or week.'! As well, their values and growth together as a group, then as friends, and then and now as 'brothers for life' ..was forged during these difficult periods, but also because of the respect and love, and faith and belief they have for each other and Bang Si Hyuk...who also believed in them and gave them free reign 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 No one can replicate The Beatles, Elvis, Queen etc...AND no one will every replicate BTS.
The songs bts make go beyond the basic lyrics, they tell stories, the lyrics go very deep. Their mvs have story lines that connect multiple songs, albums, games, etc.
There will never be another BTS because each of the BTS members are uniquely themselves and that's where the magic lies- i.e., they are the magic!! Thanks for your reaction and thoughts on this. 100% agree with you.
35:10 and BTS did not have that guaranteed. They dedicated so much of their lives, their bodies, their livelihood to their music, to their fans, to their group for years and years without the guarantee of global recognition and dominance that they would experience in their future. They had dreams and believed in their dream and worked non-stop for that dream. I know they had fear and doubts in their journey and their perseverance is what made them who they are today. They stayed true to themselves, they grew as artists, they cultivated a community very organically, they went through hardships with ARMY going through a lot too, and they truly did succeed beyond their wildest dreams. They dreamed and became someone else's dream, as Suga has said and as they've said in their lyrics before. BTS really did the impossible by believing in it.
Thanks, Jim, for putting this on UA-cam. I find Bora City videos very interesting; always something new for me to contemplate. Your comments definitely added to the presentation. I hadn't thought about the term "perfect storm" in awhile, but it so applies to them, doesn't it? Bangtan Sonyeondan is unique and you mentioned all of the members "unique to the group" qualities. That is why they are the only group that are and will ever be BTS.
Boracity magazine videos are most interesting k-pop details....she is so detailed with her all videos!!!
It's interesting that you mentioned Enhypen and Seventeen because they are with Hybe, the same company as BTS' label. There's another group, TXT, that are younger brothers of BTS, if you will (Jimin calls them the "babies"). But Bang PD and Hybe do not even market these groups as "the next BTS" even though they are on the same label. They are marketing these groups as their own groups and not copycats, which should be the case. And that's what sets Hybe apart from the "big three" of the K-Pop industry. The management truly believes in music first and their artists, rather than all the trappings of the music industry.
exactly. Bang PD is a genius. BTS is a hiphop based group,but bangPD said, why dont we make a group with lessere memebers but there are no designated spots.....he a true visionary
Exactly! Hybe don't even market their other Kpop groups as the next BTS ,yet other companies don't learn from them. That's why those companies fail to achieve that.
THIS! I see so much potential in Hybe groups (TXT, Seventeen, Enhypen, ...) because their music tells stories that have deep meaning and are connected to the feelings and emotions of the members themselves. And it's a huge plus if the group can write and produce themselves. It feels way more real, honest and genuine. I have never really felt excited for debuts of girl groups before, because they always felt intangible. But New Jeans and Le Sserafim already feel so much different from the rest because of Hybe's influence. It's about their personalities, storytelling, talent, artistry and building a community. Only fewn groups outside of Hybe have ever followed some of these aspects, G-Idle and Mamamoo are one's that come to my mind. It's so sad to see that the beauty standard stands high above music and artistry in South-Korea. They really do care only about the looks and want them to have really little say in their own work for as much control as possible to be able to be the puppet master.
By the way, there's so much talent in the K-Pop world. Hundreds of labels and groups that never get recognised because the big labels get all the mediaplay. I recommend to check out the unknown because there really is some talent hidden out there, Oneus for example have really great concepts and content.
@@Jen-ec6mj ironic to see hybe stan talking about media play from the big 3...
lol if hybe believed in music, they wouldnt put so much ugly filters on artists' vocals, and wouldn't throw artists in concepts that don't suit them. like what is going on with txt? magical concept- then emo-concept (and they looked awkward in it) - and now magical again.... it's like hybe wanted to create after bts the group of typical 'pretty boys' but now they're doing whatever they think is trendy. at least that's what it looks like from the side
Bang PD himself has said even he doesn't know how BTS got to where they are (as in step by step definiative play by play workbook) and that if asked to replicate it, he doubts he could. So the fact that other entertainment companies even try is hilarious to me.
"BTS is the perfect storm of artistry, humbleness, real people and love" yes yes yes!!! 💜💜💜
BTS is a complete package: talented, creative, professionals, humble, goofy, and sexy af. Don’t tell my daughter I said sexy because she wants to marry Yoongi. 😂
BTS is more than just music. Our love to them goes beyond music. 💜
Indeed. My love for these 7 men is universal. They are irreplaceable. I wish them happiness in their every waking moment.
The big three have been trying to end BTS and HYBE since they began. I wouldn't even be surprised if there was some dark money that exchanged hands with the gov to make sure they served. I am so proud of BTS for always fighting to do things their way and be true to themselves. There will NEVER be another BTS. At least not in our space time continuum.
I never thought another co.would stoop low enough to line the pockets of the government, I hope not . But, look at the amount of money BTS has brought into S Korea...let alone the renewed interest in the country as a whole. The language, culture and history,we've all had our fingertips on search engines. As individual as each member is,so too is the individuality of"BTS"!😊😌💜
I actually think they got an ultimatum after Dynamite from the gov. If you win a Grammy, you'll be exempt. Butter was specifically set up to win a Grammy. ( one of the producers had mentioned it in an interview)
If you look back at how the members reacted after not getting one after Butter and their little interviews after, it seemed they were resigned. Whether it was from "oh another year of not being recognized " or "damn. Well military it is" I don't know, but I have this funky feeling that the Grammy win would equal Olympic win exemption in the gov. eyes.
@@marissa1341 you might have something here,I think somebody else did some research into this and came out with your results too. But the comparison between an Olympic game is every four(?) years...Now compare that to ten plus years that these members have given consistently to their country. And this is their thanks? Reports of the polls about this was for serving...but the number of people polled were ridiculously low. If you have listened really closely to comments,interviews and bit conversations over the past two years...you'll hear how this was not going away. If you go back and watch their PTD concerts,[plural], you'll see a total difference in all of them. Compared to all other tours. Borahae 💜
@@susank.548 There was a video on this literally last night: South Korea will reputedly lose 7B (in USD) next year by BTS's enlistment. I kinda doubt that any entertainment company- or even the three of them together- could make up that shortfall. (And that doesn't even touch what they're losing in influence and soft power. JK, 5B viewers at Fifa? Busan, 50M viewers on Weverse alone?) There isn't much I'd put past any idol company, especially the Big 3, but those three have been promoting BTS exemption in order to try and take advantage of it for their own idols. (BTS paving the way again-!! Not this time, though.)
One thing I do hear, is that the current President is very jealous of BTS and resents them for not performing at his swearing-in. So that may have come into play. Besides, the issue of exemption is very touchy with him. He was exempted due to 'vision difficulties', and yet he's never once publicized the results of his vision tests. So when the government polled and got a +60% approval of exemption from the general public, they played up the military-age respondents who were opposed instead of focusing on the overall preference.
Whatever the reason, the government's made their bed of nails, and now they've got to lie on it. And here I sit thinking, "Serves them right. Oh, look, it's the 7 again!"
no they actually used BTS to make them scape goats if they got out of the military duty. people would hate on bts but the next groups will be fine because it´s not their fault. the one who askes for it is always the bad guy. but i think every label want the law changed so they worked together by using BTS as an mean to achieve it. they tried once before but the outcome was only in BTS favour witch was the postponement. that´s why all labels objected to this because they could not benefit from this. only BTS could
The way Jungkook despite getting offers from JYP and other companies still joined bighit because of RM and his works(the fact he became JK's inspiration even without official debut is what gets me 🥺)....the way Suga with broken shoulder stayed and gave his all without any complain....or the way jhope after audition in JYP still continued to practice in there itself for like hours....etc etc.....this speaks their love for music and the hunger to do something...to prove the world they can do it...their passion is really remarkable.....if i remember correctly most artist works with them says that they are really hard working and full of dedication for their work....Lauv once said how he won't make it if he follows bts schedule......so yeah these 7 guys were chosen by destiny....
. It's 7:28am and I'm crying because of your beautiful post.
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One thing that I can say that there will be no next BTS, it's bcoz BTS's STORY couldn't be "REPLICATED"... How they struggled since their debut, and their hardships along the way, and surpassed all of those and getting to where they are now... And the army's have seen all of those, and were always there supporting them, and have seen their growth as artists and individuals... The connection between BTS and ARMY is something that u will not find in other groups, frankly speaking... I have not seen an artist that since day one of their career has ever put their fans to the side... They always make sure to connect with the army's no matter how hectic their schedules are... It's the bond between BTS and ARMY that made this whole phenomenon undoubtedly irreplaceable... Not to mention they're talented, dedicated, artistic, hardworking, and genuinely down to earth and humble people... And that's what makes BTS stands out way beyond any other groups out there... And I don't think there will ever be the next BTS, never....
I haven't closely followed many groups except really bts and stray kids and everything I have seen from stray kids and their bond with stays with very similar to that with bts and army they are very close in similar ways (stays and stray kids) and I love both groups for that reason 💜
Not that I want them to be 'the next bts' I want skz to be skz just pointing out an observation and my thoughts
@@Lydia0325 Whatever you say.
I'm agree with you..and No one can replace the BTS. 💜💜💜✌️🇮🇱
@@lemonssssssss4244 ya and they do have some very experimental tracks and I completely understand people not liking all of their music... Everyone has personal tastes in what they like... I just want to hear what they do in the future cuz I personally love their just and the message behind it ❤️💜
The Army witnessed them growing up. They spent their life communicating their activities. We watched them when they we’re still awkward teenagers, the funny haircut, the styles, etc.They were not afraid to be human … they show their vulnerability. They showed young boys wrestling, crying , being angry and oppressed. All of these the fans experienced their humanity. Do not forget their TALENT, the voices, etc. You cannot put a price on a mere dance routine and a catchy song.
Like BTS said when others said that they are the 'Beatles of 21st Century', they refused to accept that. Because they are the 'BTS OF THE 21ST CENTURY'.
Reasons why we Army don’t go for looks instead go for talent is because we are here to see art and listen music that’s it. My bias is RM, he wrote and produced songs that I can and all army can relate to. That’s it !!
Exactly when I first saw them i fall for their music, lyrics, song,dance, energy etc I fall in love with them even before differenciat between them like who is who I fall in love with their music even before knowing their name's ♾️💜
BTS is incomparable & irreplaceable. BTS is the BTS of 21st Century. They have cemented their name as a group and as an individual. Guinness World Book of Records is waving. Hello legends.
❤adore u army
She makes really good content, it's well researched, good formats for the actual video, and she has thoroughly thought out the concept. And I agree with most of it.
Thanks for this reaction. I have watched a lot of Boracity's video essays as she seems to speak sense. Another one I would recommend is 'Why most Armys are not K Pop fans.' She makes some really interesting ,if controversial, points and uses the charts showing BTS compared to other K Pop achievements which were momentarily shown in this video. BTS will never be surpassed in my opinion. 💜
36:40 you hit the nail right on the head. when i first found BTS they literally sucked me in with all the music they had and what made me an army was the whole process of going through BTS albums performances everything. finding an artist from one good song and realizing they have 100+ more songs just as good and even better is everything a music fan wants. this is also why BTS puts in time and effort to give us not only quality title tracks but also better b-sides because they know that good music lasts forever
Came for the music, stayed for the boys. My motto. 😊
Why BTS is so big and why Big Hit was successful? Big Hit was looking for actual talented individuals. RM and Suga were underground rappers, RM had a passion in poetry (he said rapping is like poetry with rhythm) and Suga had a passion in producing (he joined Big Hit originally to be a producer not be part of a boy band). J-Hope won a national award for dancing and Jimin went to a prestigious dance school for contempoary. Jungkook was scouted by 7 labels, so all these labels saw his talent. V was the only person from his city to advance the audition. Jin was scouted based on his looks but spent countless years practicing singing and dancing. You can tell how much he studied and practiced in the Run BTS episode ep134 where members had to guess the song based on a staff member mimicking the dance - Jin guessed and got most of the points (BTS members even joked that J-Hope should be demoted and the new dance leader should be Jin). These are natural talent that took years to nourish and Big Hit did exactly that by letting the members embrace their talents through their music - they had freedom in producing, writing lyrics, creating choreo and much more.
I couldn't say better Jim ...in few words BTS are not only insane talented but they have amazing, unique personalities. . BTS HEAL AND SAFE THOUSANDS OF LIVES EVERY DAY AROUND THE WORLD THROUGH THEIR MUSIC AND PERSONALITIES .
There's never gonna be another Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Freddy Mercury so there's never gonna be another BTS. There's never gonna be another fanbase like ARMY neighter.💜💜
I love her channel so much. She did a tremendous job doing these kind of vedios and gives a lot of logical reasons and knowledge to people. She said every single details for every topic she touched. I totally agree with her that there is no other BTS in this lifetime. I agree that there are some amazing talented groups and solo Artists out there and they did their hard work too but If you ask me they still not in the same position as BTS . The talent in BTS that each member has is unmatchable and personally I think the personalities of the members have a major impact on me and I think on Army's too. And I don't think you can copy their personalities. So , in my opinion all the other groups they are amazing on their own , they have their own strengths but people they are still not BTS. As I always say just like there is only one MICHAEL JACKSON in the world , just exactly like that there is only one BTS in this world and they both are legends and people have to stop calling themselves or their groups or any other Artists BTS. AND it's a fact that there is no other Fandom exist named Army like BTS for any other Artist. 💜💜
There could never be "another" BTS because the journey to how they got to where they are now wasn't planned and can't be replicated. I've always disliked the term and idea of fate, but it really feels that way, it's like everything aligned itself in such a way that worked out perfectly. It would take fate for another group to find the same level of success, you can't force something like this. BTS worked hard from the *very* bottom up without expectations to be mega famous, they weren't even trying to achieve that, if you form a group with the goal of trying to do that, it almost never works out because there's no authenticity in that, no sincerity at all.
Absolutely agree that’s there no next BTS, their charisma is so unique, nobody can recreate or improvise it. Their dedication for music and fans is on another level. They created a very strong connection with fans from different counties, even if many of us don’t speak Korean we still enjoy their music and concerts to the fullest. And let me tell you, getting tickets for their concert is very challenging and stressful because they are sold out too fast ….. I adore them as group and as solo artists, they are truly incredible and amazing. I wish that BTS will last forever 💜💜💜💜
I watch already this reactions on Patreons ..really happy then you decide to put here too ..thank you Jim 🤗
She honestly has quite a few really good videos. It would be interesting to watch them with you. I recommend BTS vs radio. Also, a point she didn't bring up is, you never hear them say they're trying to find the next Elton John, George Michael, Queen, MJ, whatever... Why is that? I feel they're trying to either label BTS with the classic boyband image or they're trying to diminish their achievements as artists.
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Jim,out of all words in the world to speak,you chose to speak FACTS...Pure,Unadulterated FACTS.!😍
Everything you said resonated with me especially when you said they don't realize the love the dedication,the wave of everything behind BTS,the years of intense dedication between Army and BTS.
The genuine love for these Guys and their beautiful personalities,the unique qualities of each member,their talents and skills,their artistry which make us Army root for them.
Their hardwork,their dedication to their craft,their humility and thankfulness for every milestone they reach and how they deeply cherish the Army.❤
BTS is now more than Kpop,they are a mystery which cannot be unravelled. They are way out of reach and it's really sad to watch these Kpop groups try so hard only to fail in being the next BTS.
Just as Suga said they didn't want to be the next Beatles,they wanted to be the BTS of the 21st century, so i'd urge these Kpop groups to be themselves and NOT the next BTS or the next anything because it is crystal clear that there will NEVER be the next BTS.
Honestly I feel like it is 100% reporters calling groups that... I would say none of the groups have the goal to be the next bts... Famous like bts sure but not to be bts
The way i m so proud of u being all purple blooded 😭… look at u!!!! And the video is so on point🤌🏻
FYI: At time code 5:20, the suits were a reflection of the song "Idol" music video and concept as "Idol" paid homage to both the Korean and African culture. The suit are what they wore during the promotion of "Idol" and are made out of African Kente Cloth and Ankara Fabric!💜💜
Bang PD did it right organically with BTS he didn't try and be the center of attention like other producers or Ceos. Bts did things that made people fall in love with the humanity, the vulnerability of themselves and the raw talent just was a bonus. Its so many layers to BTS that is real, honest and different and people love that about them you can't package that and sell.
Bts is not just a very famous group....they are a MOVEMENT!
Like they introduced the whole world the taste of Korean songs.....a small group from a small country and from a small company now is whole over the world....
Also to create next bts they gotta find the next army's too.
I had already watched this when it was released but it was really nice to see your reaction and insight as well.
Thank you Jim!
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Adding to the unique confluence of events and circumstances, is ARMY…..the kind of OG fans that believed and fought so hard for the artist & the community….translating in real time, organizing activities in different countries, different fanarts, films, etc….add to that all the new & expanding Armies that continue that tradition plus bring in their own unique talents & passion into the community….that is an even harder thing to duplicate.
I have thought of BTS as the "perfect storm" so many times but hadn't heard anyone else use that term for the band. I nearly fell off my chair, lol. You're dead on and the description of the 7 members was perfect. - I am a huge fan of the Boracity Magazine channel. I think it would be great to see you react to more of her content because both this & that channel seem to be thorough & intelligent & thought-provoking.
Hi Jim, I actually watched this a few days ago and was mortified for the artist's that were to become the new Bts. Never, ever will there be another Bts! Trying to use a shortcut never works. Will there be another huge group? Maybe...I agree with this video and what you said. Now, only time will tell. You and everyone have a Lovely Weekend...✌💜
I really liked your reaction Jim! I agree with everything you said! 👏🏼💜
I'm glad you put this up on UA-cam. (I'm really old and sadly Patreon is not in my budget... I make small videos about BTS on YT as a sort of hobby? ) but I have to note that neither you nor the creator of the video mentioned Bang SiHyuk in your explanations. He put BTS together one by one, he nurtured them and believed in them because they weren't in it just for the money. They loved music and felt they had something to say. And he worked with them, helped them write their own music and find their own voice and he suffered with them - he borrowed money from his cousin to finance their early videos. The company was on the brink of bankruptcy before they started to make any money at all. (They were 7 teenage boys living in an apartment with one bedroom). But when he gives speeches about Big Hit or Hybe or interviews about the group, he doesn't take any of the credit. He gives it all to them. There is a half decent video about Bang PD on YT and if you did a reaction about him I think it would attract some good conversation... He really is the father of BTS. Thank you for putting this out here, it was a very nice look at their well deserved recognition in the music industry. 💜😇💜usa
Proud ARMY here! Thank you so much Jim for loving ang appreciating our HUMBLE ICONIC BOYS! God Bless and Stay Safe! BORAHAE !💜💜💜
That's the only thing they DO need to copy-- The NURTURING of the members that've been picked out with CARE. Honestly, I think that should be the bare freakin' minimum. And you know what? If they do that, the resulting artists won't even BE anything like BTS. They'll be their own people, and they'd actually be able to exist in the same space as BTS. (barring... y'know, the prejudices of the western music industry. But that's a whole 'nother beast.) These artists will be their own people, and they would be GOOD AT IT.
This is something that TXT had to contend with, being BTS's little brother group, 'growing up under their big brother's shadow'. And BH never pushed them towards being 'the next BTS because they're in the same label'. They've been allowed to grow to be their own persons, their own artists, and they're so... so different from their contemporaries, in the best possible ways, let alone different from their older brothers. (I don't consider myself a Moa, but I am so damned proud of those boys and how they were allowed to carve out their own path)
That's the formula, I think. And kpop as a whole would be healthier if they adopted it. (Again, hopeful that with BTS paving the way, they could also get people to follow THAT trend too. Seems that all the trends that are being followed are so... surface level. Anything deeper than that just isn't supported genuinely by the labels. I feel so bad for artists that want to flourish as artists.)
Well said. I completely agree
There are artists that have been allowed to develop in that sense by their companies that I know of specifically skz and from everything I seen of xdinary heroes who recently debuted have also been allowed to do that as well from what I have seen so far...
But yes I 100 percent agree and I wouldn't want those groups to be anyone else except themselves 💜
@@Lydia0325 I also remember Woozi from SVT got a lil tutoring from BangPD recently, on music production. Its the mentorship that I REALLY approve of. Next generation of idols, and music producers, even.
Do you also think that self-produced musical content is part of the key to sustainability in kpop, going forward? o.o I think so. I do also think that the usual suspects to the old school mentality would have to someone pry their claws off the groups, though. I think they love their control way too much though. Gives them ownership. *makes a face*
@@anesidora0seneca think alot of groups will be able to start having more control over there music (some already do because of bts) because eventually I feel these companies will see that fans want artists that are making their own music and telling their own stories so I do think it will most likely happen eventually but yes I agree some still want that control over there artists.. I do find that even though I like and listen to many groups music i definitely prefer the artists that are making their own music
@@Lydia0325 I agree for the most part. But I do think that the labels/ceos finding this out is gonna be a slow process. Like one of those "pry _____ out of their cold dead hands" kind of thing. Which makes me so confused as to why instrumental bands arent more numerous. Like, dont need to invest money on dance teachers and backup dancers. Maybe the "balance" is money for studio space, instruments, and production eq. Like, there's Akmu and Day6, for major labels, but..... not much else, I think.
You said it perfectly "other bands need creative FREEDOM". There were and are a lot of other bands that could have ranked a lot higher and done a lot better but the other companies will not let them be themselves at all. That is why BTS is golden. Bighit wanted BTS to be themselves with some things held back but not much.
not all of them can write if given the chance i think they should call the shots on what songs to sing and what they song about. if the label take that from them it makes them like a machine not humans
Supergroup? I didn't even know they existed. With regards to BlackPink the sound maybe catchy but If you dig deeper into their lyrics it's totally nonsense.
Oop
Personally I stan blackpink for the vibes you know,the catchy song .But bts is that and more and I do not mind it.i stan both but each for something
I agree, what Simon is NOT accounting for is the bond that BTS has from living together and going through hell together since they were young. And Bang PD said he let them grow organically. They are unique. And as you said, the magic words, CREATIVE FREEDOM 😘💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Where would the Ramones, Iggy Pop, and Ric Ocasek and countless others be, if it was just looks. And remember in the beginning J-Hope and RM weren't considered attractive enough to be idols and now how many people call them daddy? (Sorry for the crass statement) I think they all are gorgeous and a big part of that is their personality.
I watched RM vlive of his house and I was surprise. His house is vry simple and hv books everywhere, dresses simply dnt evn hv a show rack. They millionaires but still live a humble life. Their personality is different frm the rest and the connection between them is out of the world.
RM dropped his latest album called indigo and trust me it will blew your mind
Just don't put a mindset " how make new BTS" just do your own unique way to create good performance,song and be happy with it 💜
I am 66 and it was BTS's message to the young people (the future leaders) of the world that drew me. Then the lyrics and their personalities. I like their music but not enough to be a fan. It's the entire package that is inspiring and brings out the best in people. They bring hope in a seemingly broken world.
Thank you for your genuine reaction and for appreciating the talent, personality and uniqueness of each member! There never will be a next BTS! They’ve already established themselves as one of the greatest acts in musical history😊
They can't replicate a Suga and an RM.. musical geniuses. Plus there Bang SiHyuk owner of Big Hit...allows creative freedom and respects the artists. and to top that each individual member of BTS is a wonderful human being with their own unique talents. They are a match made in heaven!!!
9:43 blackpink are allowed to have their own thoughts???? lmaooo the mediaplay got you bad
I love how in love you are with BTS Jim, same here... same here...
Thank u so much for sharing this reaction on youtube. I love Boracity Magazine because yes not all of her opinions I can agree but she does has solid points most of the time and actually did research obviously and not biased towards BTS blindly.
Wow thank you for sharing this!! I love this story and all(i mean, ALL) your comment!!! Another big star could be rised, but whoever he is, he is not "Next BTS". BTS is once-in-a-life star. You can not repilicate them.
in my opinion, groups that have the best chance to -ofc not be the Next BTS or whatever bs- carry kpop in an upward trajectory are the ones that are honest in their music/discography. unsurprisingly, hybe groups have the best grasp on this: what i've noticed is that they've extrapolated namjoon's idea of having extended metaphors in their discography to represent the concepts the members are going through in real time. instead of the desert/sea/galaxy, you have enhypen using vampirism as a metaphor for dropping so quickly into the idol life, le sserafim using model/angel iconography to tell their stories, and txt with references to magic as a way to convey how they feel abt their lives as well. it creates a sort of brand for the groups while still being different enough from bts where it doesn't seem like a blatant copy (not to mention the fact that there's direct references too events/members that only these groups have solidify this). i also think groups like stray kids, ateez and gidle are truly making a mark with their members being more hands-on with their careers. all in all, i think 4thh gen groups are in a similar position as 2nd gen groups, where the competition is too high and the market is too saturated for there to be a true standout disruptor. if you think abt it, some of the older 4th gen groups are alr 4 years old, and not a single one is even near the level of 2017 bts (though i also think everything has been pushed back 2+ years bc of covid so i guess we'll have to see if within the next 2ish years there's any level of market disruption that can compare but i doubt it)
You do seem like a pop and lock guy, Jim. Hahaha. Keep making these videos. Love them! 💜
This comment says it was 4 days ago 👀 ummm
@@itsbonniefay2417 it was shared on Patreon and unprivated for all of UA-cam just today.
Artists/groups etc don't suddenly become famous unless they are one hit wonders. It takes time and work dam hard work.
Loved this reaction. I recently discovered Bora City too and find a lot of her video essays interesting and enlightening.
Bts es único,solo ellos tienen una conección con sus fans ,son humildes y trabajaron mucho para estar donde están ,los han humillado y aún lo siguen haciendo,los discriminan etc etc ,Bts son únicos en todo sentido ... Gracias por este video👏💜💜💜💜💜
There will never be another BTS! Their chemistry is incredible!
"They are playing baseball and BTS are sprinting in the olympics." Not playing the same game haha. Great.
No one can bring another bts...they are one and only..
33:20 but the thing is BTS was never lazy. They are still passionate like they were on debut. BTS are on peak, but they still for many hours and dont give mediocre performance. There is huge difference between so called biggest girl group & biggest group performance. BTS have so many songs with powerful vocal & choreography yet they never slack off. And then we have colour group 💀
4 th generation group/rookie group perform better than so called biggest girl group with diverse discography too
BTS-Work ethic, talent, humble people and very real and down to earth, respectful of each other and supporting each other. They care about their fans and their fans equally support and love them. They are pure artists! No one will ever beat them.
I love your objectivity and not wanting to compare artists. I don't think they're comparable,just like everyone is different, groups also are.I respect them all individually for getting out there and sharing what they have with the world. 💜
Thank you for your reaction. So true what you said about hearing a catchy song and if all they have is an album or ep, one will not engage in a deeply meaningful way. RM and Suga were already writing and producing (in Suga's case) music before their debut and already had an international internet following. When I discovered BTS through two songs, I found that I struck a motherlode of content that included their variety shows, their behind the scenes clips, Bon Voyage, In the Soop etc etc. This immersion creates that engagement with BTS as people you would like to have around in your life, beyond the absolutely wonderful music. And because ARMY sees so much of them, there is no room for faking it, they just come across as authentic and because they're following their own path, they do things that are not predictable like, oh, going off to do their own things and not everything is about music. No wonder ARMY are so devoted. There is no magic switch and other companies should just stop trying to find THE formula - however, that is not how their brain is wired.
I think a "perfect storm" encapsulates them and their story pretty perfectly. To find another group to capture the kind of attention that they have you have to find and perfect a different niche, a new take on the genre to capture attention. Also I think it's most important to find members who genuinely have respect for and care for each other and the group as a whole. They have to have that burning passion, singleminded drive on their career and talents. I think those are the most important attributes to any long-lasting group
BTS is authentic since the beginning as Bang PD their CEO allows them to be creative in music, telling their story. He is their mentor.
There won't be another BTS just like there won't be another Beatles or Elvis. There are certain performers or groups that are destined to become legends and no one will or can ever replace them.
true there’s no other bts no one can compare them never👍❤️💜
I am not a Stray Kid fan...however...
I have noticed their company are doing right by the group, letting them be their "own" performers. Those members get to take part in what they do and that allows the singer/dancer/rapper become an actual artist. They get to be true to themselves and their passions instead og the company control everything they do. Stray Kids started small and have given themselves time to grow. If anyone studied what BTS is, it is Stray Kids company.
the reason why stray kids were given freedom with their music was cuz they were an experiment group. The company pretty much just said your own your own, if you succeed great, if you don’t bye bye. They got not much help whatsoever, barley any promotions so their success could have been a hit or miss. Lucky for them it became a hit. But JYP literally had no plan for them other than “let’s see how it will work out” which is why they let the leader chan pick the members. Sad if you think abt it rlly.
@@oyinolubayo7079 It is very sad that the company did not put a support system in place and be on the sidelines for them IF/When they needed it (which Bang PD did, he nurtured). However, I also think it turned out to be a HUGE Blessing in disguise for these guys. I just hope they are earning their worth in $$$ royalties since they do the majority of it all. They believed in themselves and give it their all and that my friend with Stays behind them leads them to the success they are seeing for themselves.
@@oyinolubayo7079jyp let Chan pick the members of straykids because by that point Chan had been a trainie for 7 years and because he trusted him not because he had not hopes for the group whatsoever...he had them go through a survival program in order to test them all so he definitely wanted them to accomplish something
These seven humble magnificent guys were united by fate. They hv gone thru storms n sunshines together n keep strong. BTS + Bang Sihyuk + Army is the formula nobody can ever duplicate. That's why there will be no next BTS ever.
In this world BTS is the greatest group at this time in my opinion. Other girls or boys group can’t compare with BTS
Also just to add....not every kpop group is trying to be BTS. Quite a few are trying to be different/unique and doing the music that they want to make regardless of the hate they get for it.
"The artistry of BTS" is exactly right. The thing is.....these Hugh corporations( or Mr. Simon) think this is about K-pop.. What people decide to listen to in the future, will always be a mystery..
33:14 Exactly, it's not really fair to compare a 10 yo groups to groups who just debuted. But that's exactly another factor which companies need to understand : growth, letting the artists growth. THey push and want their new debuted group to be directly at the top. To sell millions directly (for some it works bc of different tactics), to be directly at the top. Bc of their trainee system. Theses Idols are trained for years so they can debut "perfect", in their mind. But they're not, they have to grow and learn through experience.
But theeses companies don't let them grow.
Edit : ah it was the next point of the video sdsd, my bad
Songs can be stupid and still be fun lol and it’s alright. But to pretend something is deep when it isn’t… THATS what’s maddening 😅
Same way that if these groups just followi their own journeys it would be ok. But bc these agencies keep placing them as next BTS while trying to diminish BTS success it’s just absolutely gross. They need to play their own strengths.
As those companies cannot find the next BTS, they are now turning towards manipulation. When they cannot recreate it, try to push their groups to stardom by hook and crook. Example: Last Friday's *mix up* of most streamed KPop soloist 2022 list on Spotify and Spotify Wrapped. After officially releasing the top ten most streamed KPop soloists in 2022, Jungkook of BTS, JHope of BTS, and Lisa of Blackpink held the 3 top most posts. During the cause of the day Spotify suddenly changed policies and removed 'collaborations' from these artists making Lisa suddenly the most streamed KPop artist. Strange though that 'collaborations' were also those songs that BTS/Jungkook and JHope have not only been singing but also contributing to the song writing which makes them not collaborations but full performers with their own copyright (My Universe with Coldplay; Bad Decisions with Blanco & Snoop Dogg etc.).
It was all very sketchy, especially as Jeremy Ehrlich who is head of Spotify bragged about how he was the one who brought BlackPink to his former employer and he was happy that Lisa was the most streamed KPop artist. Which in itself was not correct because of numbers alone without collabs, JHope would have been the most streamed KPop soloist of 2022. And yet it was Lisa of Blackpink for a few hours.
Industry AND ARMY called them out and they actually changed it back. Fun fact this 'error of calculating streams' as Spotify is now calling this only affected BTS and their members, Jungkook, JHope and V whose Christmas Tree song was removed from normal and KPop playlists who had been streming his OST throughout the year and only counted the streams now on Christmas lists.
The big companies know but if they would follow the way BTS and HYBE organically grew, they have to admit that their structures of doing stuff that they have been protecting and nurturing for years are actually obsolete. That the structures and organisations of the whole KPop industry are just outdated and should be gone.
The mediocre and lazy part comes from the lack of dedication to your work ... notice that the article showed boy and gril groups dancing and they ALL were NOT in sync. They all looked bored and only gave the minimum of effort.
this keeps happening in the american industry lately, first with the Vmas and EMA in all other award shows BTS wont except for those two who choose the winners themself. the needed Lisa to win and i think it´s because she is the one going solo after their disbandment and i believe it could be on an american label.
so they are trying to boost her career or else why do they even care? with BTS members they know they can´t be bought. and lately the time magazine even gave them a title. i truly think they are promoting Lisa and in that regard also BP witch is where she got her beginning. it smells so bad. and her song was not even good lack of personality. i mean most american artist tell the producers what they want to sing about they call the shots but not when it comes to kpop and that is what i hate the most.
its all media play to get more views and fans. with BTS they are real all the way and i think it´s the main reason they are so big. i think BP got big because of their beauty and their label songs nothing more. and the industry always pointed that out in the beginning when BTS got known. they always talked about kpop machines but suddenly they don´t care about it and instead seeing money on it. tasteless
I totally agree with you with whatever you’re saying. BTS is a unique boy band which comes out several decades after BEATLES. Their songs are of their own genre, of their emotions, mentality. Artistry and feelings that they’re they’re experiencing. As everybody can see they really worked so hard to get to this status. ARMY, their fan base is a strong, loyal, and loves these boys. I’m one of them even at my age. I become young and their songs uplifts me when I’m deep in my work. BORAHAE BTS 💜💜💜💜💜💜
I feel sorry for the kpop groups that are trying to be successful today, we know they all are working hard doing music but they will always behind the shades of Bangtan, they will always be compared to BTS.
Just like there is only one Michael Jackson, only one Freddy Mercury, there will only be one BTS and ARMY (real ARMYs) will be with them until their last tour and I hope that happens when we all are old at least in our 70s 😅 Even if they do concerts just sitting on a couch on stage that will still be the best moments in ARMYs lives.
Message, story comes from individuals own experience .
BTS message= Their own experience and for the people who they love
Talent, hard work & true dedication is the big difference between BTS vs. others💜
ARMY thanks you for recognizing BTS as HUMBLE HUMANITARIANS that have positively impacted this world. LEGENDS 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜+💜
Even if another k-pop group starts selling on the level of BTS... it will be hard to matchup to the level of influence that BTS has as well as the fact that they were the ones to open the door for all of these other artists to have the opportunity to go global and appeal to more fans worldwide. It wasn't the skills and musicality alone that made BTS go global... it was the sincerity, the organic growth, the underdog story, the passion and desire to inspire the hearts of millions... spreading the right messages in the process. Their music has so much sincerity and more often than not the messages that relate to them specifically aren't just empty words. Just like RM's recent 'indigo' album contained nothing but all of the emotional stress and burdens that we already knew he had been enduring BECAUSE of things that they've been saying for years.
It is because of that sincerity, the willingness to put their hearts into the music that makes it feel that ARMY is going on a journey with them, sharing in their Highs and Lows.
An amazing journey and experience at that.
I've been following your videos for several years now, and one of the things I particularly liked about them is that you really get who BTS. You have deep insight and compassion and are a marvelous human being.
Thanks Mark! You just made my night.
In race of finding next BTS they forget how will they create next army's...army's love BTS for their originality and sincerity for music i don't think any group is able to reach that level of success atleast untill they try to become next BTS and not what they are and wht talent they have..even at first BTS themselves didn't know that they'll become what everybody wants to be they were just doing their own things and reach where they are now i don't why these people don't understand this
Perfect storm as you said. Perfect timing, vulnerable talents but developed incredible chemistry, packed with raw talents met a daddy type producer to let their talents to develop, and to keep their passions going. The superior supporting team behind who just love each other like a family. 7 members trying to be as authentic as they could be in front of anybody. People jump into this rabbit hole not only for their music but also to their personalities. They are like the fresh air of the polluted industry which people have already being sick of it. There could only be ONE BTS, it is like Dr Strange after seeing all the possibilities, there is only one chance to beat Theno.
슈가가 말했죠 우리는 제2의 누구보다 그냥 방탄소년단으로 기억되고싶다고. 다른 가수들도 그냥 자신의 이름으로 기억되길 바랄겁니다.
BTS is filled with members and surrounded by people who have their own talents that surpass than others.
Members of BTS never give up and still try to give their best for their ARMY and they love ARMY very much and vice versa.
Each member has their own uniqueness and accept each other's weaknesses, strengths, and uniqueness while never stopping to hone their uniqueness without getting bored.
They aren't arrogant even though they are at their current level and are always kind and polite to others regardless of the degree of others (something that Koreans in general rarely do)
They always remember to thank the people who contribute no matter how small their contribution, they really appreciate it (something that Koreans artists in general rarely do)
34:16 actually this is almost impossile in kpop since all male idols have to enlist eventually and since fans have preference for 'younger' idols it is as it is. I can understand why some companies try to achieve more with their groups as soon as possible
Glad you posted this.
they wanted to make the next BTS.....but they forgot to make the next ARMY 😆😆
bts started a big ass hallyu wave. they started from the bottom and CLIMBED to the top despite the humiliation racism etc they endured. and they have limitless content. on top of a genuine connection with each other through hardships. thats why its hard to recreate bts especially from a big company. when you debut in a big company or label your debut is already highly anticipated and you automatically get fans from other fandoms under that company/label so even if you don't blow up big you're still at a comfortable spot and are known. take txt for example. debuting under bts puts you under a certain light, notice how a lot of armys became moas too. its natural. thats why they cant become bts ever. bts had nothing. no other fandoms to rely heavily on. kpop wasnt as popular back then as it is now. bts is one of a kind. i think we need to start getting more popular soloists instead. people like Taeyeon IU Woodz etc etc etc to even things out and inspire more people to go solo. theres too many groups, and a lot of them people have never even heard about. theyre doomed to not even get a fraction of the popularity BTS has. its just a lot of young people having their talent and youth wasted after their group decides to disband or something. maybe companies need to stop trying to recreate a story that cant be replicated and instead look for a new angle. idk but im sick of hearing "xyz is in their (insert bts song) era" or something, damn!! i need stuff thats fresh and exciting. not "the next bts". not to mention the kpop songs by boy groups especially disappoint me lately 😭 swear the girl groups carried 2022.
There will never be another BTS or another fandom like ARMY.
The problem is when the label company become greedy. They will think business' first and art is the last. Off course, group that they create can become big but not as big as BTS. BTS not just pop culture, they have fan like football's fan, fanatic and organize on their own. Their are always a market for beautiful person, beautiful music, beautiful dance, beautiful multimedia, but no or very little value for life. It is pop culture, just for entertainment in the moment then you can forget it. So, it is difficult for kpop idol grow become real artist. If they want to be a real artist, not many label company allow them.