Squarer crop without the edge. It really emphasizes the geometry of the scene, with the triangle and its reflection forming a kite (nearly a cyclic one) centered in the square.
Prefer the vertically less symmetrical crop. It's more unique to my eyes and better proportioned over all. I do think the mountain reflection in the water needs some editing because right now it doesn't match with the actual mountain in light display. Feels off because of that, at least to me. But beautiful image in any case. Very nice!
I've been watching Lightroom and photo editing videos for years, but no one has taught me so much meaningful information in one video as you. Thank you!
I like the one with the mud in the bottom. It makes composition more interesting and a bigger story to tell than just a cute mountain with symmetrical reflection in the water.
As always Mark - excellent tutorial. I especially like the work flow which has changed a bit from earlier videos, but this flows and works well. Thanks.
I prefer the no edge square crop. Thanks for the super helpful tutorial showing your workflow. Really helps me focus instead of being overwhelmed with the 8 million different controls in my raw processing software!
I like the crop that's more like a 2 1/4 format. I think it emphasizes the light and mountain better and makes the overall image more impactful. Nice work.
Solo mode is great but what I learned just recently makes it even more interesting ! If you want to temporarily open a second (or more) panel, you can do it by typing + on the panel you want. I love it !
The photo with the edge of the pond in view looks more complete to me. The cropped one makes the photo look truncated. Appreciate the tutorial on how you brought out the hidden features that had 'fallen into shadow' in the RAW file.
For many years I used to take my pictures with Sony cameras. And it was ok. Now for 6 weeks I have a Fuji x-h2. And to me it seems as if the Fuji works completely different with colors. The same when I watch your videos and you show the RAW. The colors have much more depth and dynamic. For me it is great to see how you work out the details and make a good picture to a better one. Thank you for that.
I've watched tons of your posts Mark, and always come away with something new. Thanks for taking the time to help us use the full capabilities of Lightroom.
Of the two shots you asked for feedback on, with or without the shoreline, I like the "with". There's a bit too much empty space in the front of the "without" version. The shoreline leads the eye a bit more, I think. Very informative. My camera was down for a while, I didn't keep up with the skills. This is a great refresher, I learn something every time I watch your videos. Thanks😁
I prefer the cropped without shoreline. Especially considering your sky edits better match the reflection, I think the cropped version really brings that forward. Nice video.
I choose the cropped photo - or, the one that's 'closer to square'. The mountain and its reflection lend itself to the square, I think. I've learned a lot right here... my LRC learning curve has been pretty steep, and you've been helping me quite a bit, Mark. Thanks!
Greetings Mark. The one with no shoreline by a long shot. This was a welcomed video, as I am starting to have memory loss. Your check sheet is now on the wall next to my monitors. Thanks Muchly
Great walk through of your editing process, thank you Mark for sharing. Of the two photos, I prefer the one without the shoreline as it highlights to me, the mountain and its reflection.
I like the version on the left. I’m going off just my fist feelings as I first seeing the without a lot of thought in it. Sometimes when I go with that feeling, it seem to guide me the best. If I stop and start analyzing, I make choices maybe I shouldn’t have. Thanks for all your helping videos❣️
Mark knocks things out of the park yet again! 👍 I prefer the shoreline version; draws the eye slightly down to the bottom of the shot and then an easy and natural "rebound / richochet" into the main subjects... If you're going outside of Lr for DeNoise and/or Sharpening AI stuff (Topaz, Luminar, etc.), do you deal with those adjustments FIRST or last? I can see an argument for either way and to me it makes sense to do them as a last step once you have PP'd the RAW file to where you want it...thoughts?
First off, I prefer the photo with the shoreline. I just think the other looks a bit too squashed top to bottom. I think including the shoreline gives good leading lines & just a gentler entrance into the photo for the viewer. I do want to thank you for this video, and especially for the pdf download, Mark! I often have difficulty remembering things, so having a "cheat sheet" to refer to will make it much easier than trying to reference or remember details from a video. At least until I can go through it enough times to internalize things. Thank you for your weekly videos. Hope you have an awesome day!
this was a very useful way to spend an hour, going back and forth between the video and the RAW file, thank you. Time to go out and find some new locations to shoot and create something of my own to play around with...
For the two photo comparisons, a closer subject invokes in the viewer a feeling of immersion in the setting. A diminished subject will alienate the viewer, making them feel like a bystander. Which style depends on the photographer to decide on how they want to tell their story.
This is most excellent showing that capturing in raw that there is more work to be done. Like back in the Film days you had to do some work in the darkroom. Also there are settings that only affect jpegs find what they are and shoot in both then compare in post. I find doing a image in auto of the same way to look at your raw image. I have learned your new things that I also wish I knew first, but a note software did not have all the wizbang options years ago. When on days the lighting or weather are not good for going out to play I will go back to the old raw images. Do you remember when Lr gave the ability to remove sensor dust from an image? When you do sunrise/sunsets do you bracketing 5 at +/- 2EV and run through a HDR editing, doing in the blue hour is a big help also? You pay for all these options or tools with the camera cost! Just the play helps to you see what can be done with an image.
I like the one with the shoreline. Been using Solo mode for years. Something you did mention that was new to me, and you only mentioned it in passing, was that you can hold down Shift and double-click a slider item (in this case it was Whites) to Auto set Whites. I knew you could double-click to reset a slider to its default setting, but the Shift-Double-click for Auto is something I never knew about. Thank you! I sometimes use the overall Auto button to set a baseline to work from, but lately, the results of Auto have been horrendous. Can't remember if it started after the last LR update or not. Anyway, I always learn something from your videos. Keep up the great work!
As always a great video Mark. I prefer the cropped version, it’s more cleaner and also makes the mountain and reflection the main focus of the image. The uncropped version for me makes the mountain and the reflection kinda fighting with the water and the shore, there’s an extra element that the cropped version takes away.
Reading through the comments it's interesting to see the different opinions on the two crops. I prefer the square crop since it's cleaner and more balanced and I find the shoreline distracting. I was also wondering if the reflection should get some attention as well since it looks flat in post editing? Or would that distract from the mountain as the main subject? Great video, thank you so much for sharing!
Outstanding to-the-point article on converting RAW images!! Thanks much Mark! As far as the images with/without the shoreline, I prefer the one withOUT the shoreline, no distractions in that image. My eyes tend to gravitate down to the shoreline eventually....... Your work is amazing!
Always something to learn. I was completely unaware of the Solo Mode! As for the preferred version, it is very dependent how you are viewing it. The more cropped version looks better on a small device (phone, social media, etc), but the more complete version for gallery print...IMHO.
One thing that made a huge difference for me… a better monitor. My new 27” monitor is 99% rgb (supposedly), and 4K. It’s not an Apple, BenQ or Eizo, but it’s much better than what I was using. Subtle shade and colour differences are now visible. PS: I’m subscribed to a lot of photographer’s YT feeds. I don’t always watch everything, and I slowly go through a few videos each week. Your videos are the only ones that I watch asap, always within 8-9 hours. I love the instructional content. I really don’t need to see anyone out in the field. I’m more interested in learning how the final result was achieved.
Mark, you look and sound like you are feeling better and have found a healthy balance. Cheers as always for a really clear and concise little tutorial. I'm in the vertical crop WITH edge camp. Both are fine edits, but I find often it's almost a default as a photographer to want to have everything balance and be as perfectly symmetrical as possible, especially photographs of this type. Personally, I tend to start in camera with my composition often leaning towards the quirkier and sometimes off-balance side, but never being entirely dis-harmonious. The symmetrical square crop screams Sierra Club and glossy photo mag perfection, but so does the other one, and I am quite partial to a bit more foreground and that little bit of messy shoreline just barely making itself seen in the deeper shadow there. If these were my photos? Well, I'd sell the "you know what" out of little gemlike square ones to the masses, but I'd mat and frame the taller one as an 11x14 to hang at home.
I prefer the image with the edge showing. It can be tempting to make a subject larger in the frame, which is possibly how we naturally see a scene. In my opinion, including more of the scene surrounding the subject will add context and interest to the subject. Thanks for your excellent video.
Enjoyed watching this video. I think that the final image with a shore is much more compelling. It just balances the image well and also gives it a bit more character. It also gives me a sense of standing on the shore and observing the scene which draws me further into the image. The other image is also great, but if I had to choose one, it would be the image with the shore. Thanks for sharing
Thank you mark, appreciate the time and effort to show us the way. Think I like the more cropped squarer version. You made the upper middle look so nice that the lower sandy area was not really doing much. So the concentration is really pulling you towards the mountains focal area 😊
Hi Mark, Thanks for very good and informative videos 👍🏼 I would love to see your process when it comes to saving and categorising photos, the stages before you start to edit the photos. I have searched your videos but can’t find that you have done a video regarding that topic earlier. Keep up the good work 👍🏼 Best regards from Sweden 🇸🇪
Thank you for explaining why you edit the way you do. I like the the image with the shore as it leads into the mountain as the subject. With the more cropped version, the reflection of the mountain seems to be crushed against the lower edge and my eye keeps wandering around the image. Although it is interesting in that it is symmetrical, and that is always a pleasing composition.
Thank you for those tips ! I often struggle with high dynamic range pictures and sometimes even quit as I feel like I don't know what I am doing after 30 minutes trying to edit a single image. I will definetly watch this video again while editing.
I'm torn. I think both are amazing photos. Every time I see your videos I'm blown away at the transformation! You take such great shots. You probably don't have the time to go back to previous shoots, but do you ever re-tweak an old photo? When I see what you do, it makes me want to revisit my shots.
im just getting back into photography after nearly 3yrs away due to work..just updated my camera(to a D850) and was looking to update my imac also, as my late 2014 isnt up to what i need.and BANG!!, i came across your video..not only have you Got the set-up im looking to purchase,but your tutorial is amazing!!, precise and informative, i was worrying what the new lightroom software could now do, but you've answered all my questions, im saving this video to help me through the new start-up..instantly subbed!!..many thanks
That is what I love about your videos Mark. While I have been using Lightroom for years, I always find some Lightroom feature I never knew existed. Solo Mode is one of them. I just love it. Great video. Thank you!
Mark, thanks for the pretty practical guidelines! My vote is for the crop w/o shoreline. One more cent to croping is a mount itself. I was really hipnotized when you show this crop of mount only. Looks like there is a group of people going up hill also. I would consider such option.
I go for option "Right", given the more dramatic scene and the more natural details in it. Sell worthy, and no kidding. There's a gallery here in downtown Zürich, Switzerland selling these for the price of a lovely wide-angle lens. And BTW, super informative video with new tips & tricks, I immediately will implement in my workflow.
Great video. Originally I liked the cropped version without the shoreline, but the more I looked at it, the reflection of the mountain was smaller than the actual mountain. I think the version with the shoreline helps balance that out. To me the cropped version seems a little top heavy.
Always enjoy your videos Mark, but in particular I enjoy your post processing tutorials. I always learn something new from them, and its great to get your perspective and thoughts behind your editing decisions. I really like the version with the pool in the front, it adds more character to the image.
Mark, my preference is the one on the left without the shoreline, Awesome video as always very enjoyable to watch your way of portraying the method of editing. Thank you
Mark: Thanks for sharing your editing process. Addressing the “big picture” edits first seems to save a lot of detail editing. Also I definitely prefer the cropped image. The clouds in the sky and the reflection give a nice balanced lead into the image. The muddy shoreline doesn’t really add to the image!
As someone new to Lightroom your video was really helpful and informative. Thanks for sharing your process! This will be a great starting off point as I develop my own process. Thanks again!!
In my opinion, the version on the right is definitely better. It has more air in it. The left version is overwhelmed by the top. The bottom of the photo is not able to balance the intensity of the rocks. More sky and especially more water, builds harmony in the right photo. It doesn't have the tightness of the left one. I think the phrase "the photo breathes" best reflects the grounding of my opinion.
Great video! the one thing i might change is make the subtle changes in the reflection that you did in the actual moutain to carry through the realism of the adjustments.
I think the photo on the right is the superior image. It provides more environmental context and engages the viewer more. The image tells more of a story, a vital photographic aspect, than a picture simply of a mountain. There’s more depth and more perspective too, giving the impression of walking into the scene.
I'm sure you would have picked this up in a more careful edit off-camera, and this is the first suggestion I've ever had for one of your edits after having watched dozens of your videos, but after having brought the sky down and the lake up, your reflection is now (seemingly?) brighter than the sky in places.
Thanks so much for this,really helped my workflow although I have Lightroom cloudy so some of the sliders a different. New subscriber ! BTW I really prefer the squarer crop of the image on the left of the screen without the shoreline. It takes up a larger portion of the screen and therefore has much more visual impact 👌🙂
I have just found your videos and like what you have done here. Explaining editing for someone who has little to no experience with it is very worthwhile. I come from a film background with no darkroom experience. I clicked on your link but get no response from the website. No email came through. Thanks
My preference is the tighter crop without the shoreline - because to me the shoreline is just mud. If the water were clearer and held more visual interest then I might be persuaded otherwise but the function of the pool is the reflection of the mountain so including the shoreline detracts for me personally.
I think the image is leaning a bit to the right. The water is always level, and for that, the peaks of the mountain above and mirrored should always vertically alligned. If you draw a straight line between the peaks, you notice that the line is not perfect vertical. A small horizon correction should be in place :)
You definitely added a couple of things to my toolkit. I found it interesting though that your process is almost identical to the process I use on my landscape images - then I realized I learned most of my process from you! As always, thanks for a great video!
Great video! I like the version with the shoreline, probably because it feels like you’re further away from the mountain. I think it feels a little more stark that way.
As a wedding photographer, I would highly suggest to folks to try the Loupedeck Live CT(smaller version). Why? It has sooooo many of these in one area and it makes editing a breeze. If you want to ever link up to scope it out while I edit I’d be more than happy to link up, Mark!
Great video Mark. IMO, at first I could see liking both. However after watching your video and you stating that you were focused on drawing the viewer’s eyes towards the middle, then I would go with the no shore option. Less distraction to pull your eyes away from the middle.However, as also, excellent picture!!!
I'm going to give you a tip back. If you have a picture like this with a fairly clear reflection: with selection editing, select both the original and the reflection. When you start highlight where the sun hits that rock, it starts to show a difference in the reflection, it's noticeable. As for the rest, I have a decent amount of experience, learned mostly by myself, it's interesting that in many things I do the same, just in a different way. Nice to see alternative ways. P.s. I would go for the cropped version, the mud in foreground doesn't add anything.
Hi Mark- as to the two different approaches in crop- I like the closer crop (without the foreground shore) - it has a very Galen Rowell feel to it (and I say that as a compliment). I think you have already been dinged on the “what you do to the actual subject, you need to transfer to the reflection” in some form- and I find that process one of the most tricky (and often overdone) edits to preform. Perhaps a video on editing mirror images and the tricky nuances that can be found there would be good. Love the image and your videos are always a learning experience!!
I like the one on the left no mud and I like the wider view, I like your story and how you documented the start of your Full time photography experience I'm currently watching that watchlist you made and congrats on your success.
Thanks for this video. I love seeing how you take a 'meh' image to something outstanding. I'm quite new to your channel, and I find that in these types of videos, you go very quickly through the enhancements of texture/dehaze/etc., and it seems like you're toning these down. I'm old-school where we always wanted everything as sharp as possible. I understand that you are using these adjustments to draw the eye but I'm wondering if you can do a video where you go through these adjustments more slowly, showing before and after, or if you have already done such a video, if you can point me to it. Thanks for so much great free content!
Hi Mark. First time commenting. Love your work and how you communicate about it. I have one minor suggestion. When adding some warmth and light to the mountain, do not forget to add a little to the reflection as well. It will make it come alive and add some form to that section as well. Almost forgot.... I like them both. I lean a little towards the taller one with the shoreline.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto Exactly. That is why I said a "little." I have tried two methods that seem to work. If using the same initial brush settings on the reflection, I then reduce it (-) by a certain amount. The other is to just do another separate layer at its own reduced density level. It adds a minor amount of time but the results will be appreciated after. By the way... thanks for following your creative passion.
Great video! Would be interested in seeing how you are adding the white borders in the final images. I've used the crop tool in photoshop for this and "canvas size" but it's never quite right
Interesting video. I much prefer to keep everything open rather than having to open each section as I need it. Also, with the recent Lightroom additions, I usually start out running Auto Transform and Denoise before starting the adjustment work.
The square format fits the scene better in my opinion, I don't think the puddle has as much of an effect to deter from the square format. Thanks for sharing
🔥QUESTION: Which Crop did you prefer? Edge or no Edge?
Squarer crop without the edge. It really emphasizes the geometry of the scene, with the triangle and its reflection forming a kite (nearly a cyclic one) centered in the square.
Prefer the vertically less symmetrical crop. It's more unique to my eyes and better proportioned over all.
I do think the mountain reflection in the water needs some editing because right now it doesn't match with the actual mountain in light display. Feels off because of that, at least to me.
But beautiful image in any case. Very nice!
The square image with no edge.
@@drmathochist06 Great feedback - thanks!
I like just the reflection one.
I've been watching Lightroom and photo editing videos for years, but no one has taught me so much meaningful information in one video as you. Thank you!
True!! Is the first time my photos have some color! Ty!
I like the one with the mud in the bottom. It makes composition more interesting and a bigger story to tell than just a cute mountain with symmetrical reflection in the water.
As always Mark - excellent tutorial. I especially like the work flow which has changed a bit from earlier videos, but this flows and works well. Thanks.
Beautiful work Mark. That solo mode is a godsend. You are the Man.
Thanks a million David!
Been a while since I've visited UA-cam and delighted to see the growth of your channel and career, and that your content remains at such a high level
That means a lot - appreciate that!
Well done, Mark. Very informative. One thing I tend to do is be careful I don't make the sky darker than its reflection.
I prefer the no edge square crop. Thanks for the super helpful tutorial showing your workflow. Really helps me focus instead of being overwhelmed with the 8 million different controls in my raw processing software!
I like the crop that's more like a 2 1/4 format. I think it emphasizes the light and mountain better and makes the overall image more impactful. Nice work.
Solo mode is great but what I learned just recently makes it even more interesting ! If you want to temporarily open a second (or more) panel, you can do it by typing + on the panel you want. I love it !
The photo with the edge of the pond in view looks more complete to me. The cropped one makes the photo look truncated. Appreciate the tutorial on how you brought out the hidden features that had 'fallen into shadow' in the RAW file.
For many years I used to take my pictures with Sony cameras. And it was ok. Now for 6 weeks I have a Fuji x-h2. And to me it seems as if the Fuji works completely different with colors. The same when I watch your videos and you show the RAW. The colors have much more depth and dynamic. For me it is great to see how you work out the details and make a good picture to a better one. Thank you for that.
FUJI ROCKS!!
I've watched tons of your posts Mark, and always come away with something new. Thanks for taking the time to help us use the full capabilities of Lightroom.
Really appreciate that solo mode tip and SHIFT double click black/white. Didn't know those. Can't decide which of the two crops I prefer!
I really like the crop, it’s less distracting. First time I’ve seen your channel & I’ll definitely be watching more from you. Thanks
Of the two shots you asked for feedback on, with or without the shoreline, I like the "with". There's a bit too much empty space in the front of the "without" version. The shoreline leads the eye a bit more, I think. Very informative. My camera was down for a while, I didn't keep up with the skills. This is a great refresher, I learn something every time I watch your videos. Thanks😁
Great video. Learned a lot. Square crop I prefer. More in balance with the triangular mountain and its reflection.
Tough call as both are appealing, but I like the one on the left slightly better. Very good and informative video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I prefer the cropped without shoreline. Especially considering your sky edits better match the reflection, I think the cropped version really brings that forward. Nice video.
I choose the cropped photo - or, the one that's 'closer to square'. The mountain and its reflection lend itself to the square, I think. I've learned a lot right here... my LRC learning curve has been pretty steep, and you've been helping me quite a bit, Mark. Thanks!
Cropped is my favorite ❤️
I like the one with the puddle best I think it adds just enough darker tone to separate the top from the reflection. beautiful
I like the photo on the left (closer crop)! Thanks for the download as well!
Glad to do it Jeff!
Solo mode changed my life! Thank you.
Greetings Mark. The one with no shoreline by a long shot. This was a welcomed video, as I am starting to have memory loss. Your check sheet is now on the wall next to my monitors. Thanks Muchly
Great to hear it's helpful!
Shoreline, DEFINITELY!
Great walk through of your editing process, thank you Mark for sharing. Of the two photos, I prefer the one without the shoreline as it highlights to me, the mountain and its reflection.
I like the version on the left. I’m going off just my fist feelings as I first seeing the without a lot of thought in it. Sometimes when I go with that feeling, it seem to guide me the best. If I stop and start analyzing, I make choices maybe I shouldn’t have. Thanks for all your helping videos❣️
Mark, I like the one without the foreground. I really enjoyed this video!
Glad to hear this!
Mark knocks things out of the park yet again! 👍
I prefer the shoreline version; draws the eye slightly down to the bottom of the shot and then an easy and natural "rebound / richochet" into the main subjects...
If you're going outside of Lr for DeNoise and/or Sharpening AI stuff (Topaz, Luminar, etc.), do you deal with those adjustments FIRST or last? I can see an argument for either way and to me it makes sense to do them as a last step once you have PP'd the RAW file to where you want it...thoughts?
First off, I prefer the photo with the shoreline. I just think the other looks a bit too squashed top to bottom. I think including the shoreline gives good leading lines & just a gentler entrance into the photo for the viewer. I do want to thank you for this video, and especially for the pdf download, Mark! I often have difficulty remembering things, so having a "cheat sheet" to refer to will make it much easier than trying to reference or remember details from a video. At least until I can go through it enough times to internalize things. Thank you for your weekly videos. Hope you have an awesome day!
this was a very useful way to spend an hour, going back and forth between the video and the RAW file, thank you. Time to go out and find some new locations to shoot and create something of my own to play around with...
For the two photo comparisons, a closer subject invokes in the viewer a feeling of immersion in the setting. A diminished subject will alienate the viewer, making them feel like a bystander. Which style depends on the photographer to decide on how they want to tell their story.
This is most excellent showing that capturing in raw that there is more work to be done. Like back in the Film days you had to do some work in the darkroom. Also there are settings that only affect jpegs find what they are and shoot in both then compare in post. I find doing a image in auto of the same way to look at your raw image. I have learned your new things that I also wish I knew first, but a note software did not have all the wizbang options years ago. When on days the lighting or weather are not good for going out to play I will go back to the old raw images. Do you remember when Lr gave the ability to remove sensor dust from an image? When you do sunrise/sunsets do you bracketing 5 at +/- 2EV and run through a HDR editing, doing in the blue hour is a big help also? You pay for all these options or tools with the camera cost! Just the play helps to you see what can be done with an image.
I like the one with the shoreline.
Been using Solo mode for years. Something you did mention that was new to me, and you only mentioned it in passing, was that you can hold down Shift and double-click a slider item (in this case it was Whites) to Auto set Whites. I knew you could double-click to reset a slider to its default setting, but the Shift-Double-click for Auto is something I never knew about. Thank you!
I sometimes use the overall Auto button to set a baseline to work from, but lately, the results of Auto have been horrendous. Can't remember if it started after the last LR update or not. Anyway, I always learn something from your videos. Keep up the great work!
thank you for the tutorial for editing RAW image!!! but what is the PNG 5 stars for😂😂😂, I thought its a PNG file explaining video😂😂😂
As always a great video Mark. I prefer the cropped version, it’s more cleaner and also makes the mountain and reflection the main focus of the image. The uncropped version for me makes the mountain and the reflection kinda fighting with the water and the shore, there’s an extra element that the cropped version takes away.
Reading through the comments it's interesting to see the different opinions on the two crops. I prefer the square crop since it's cleaner and more balanced and I find the shoreline distracting. I was also wondering if the reflection should get some attention as well since it looks flat in post editing? Or would that distract from the mountain as the main subject? Great video, thank you so much for sharing!
I like the shoreline cropped out. I really like your workflow steps/tips. Very logical. I’ll try it with my next set.
Outstanding to-the-point article on converting RAW images!! Thanks much Mark! As far as the images with/without the shoreline, I prefer the one withOUT the shoreline, no distractions in that image. My eyes tend to gravitate down to the shoreline eventually....... Your work is amazing!
Always something to learn. I was completely unaware of the Solo Mode!
As for the preferred version, it is very dependent how you are viewing it. The more cropped version looks better on a small device (phone, social media, etc), but the more complete version for gallery print...IMHO.
One thing that made a huge difference for me… a better monitor.
My new 27” monitor is 99% rgb (supposedly), and 4K. It’s not an Apple, BenQ or Eizo, but it’s much better than what I was using.
Subtle shade and colour differences are now visible.
PS: I’m subscribed to a lot of photographer’s YT feeds. I don’t always watch everything, and I slowly go through a few videos each week. Your videos are the only ones that I watch asap, always within 8-9 hours. I love the instructional content. I really don’t need to see anyone out in the field. I’m more interested in learning how the final result was achieved.
Mark, you look and sound like you are feeling better and have found a healthy balance. Cheers as always for a really clear and concise little tutorial. I'm in the vertical crop WITH edge camp. Both are fine edits, but I find often it's almost a default as a photographer to want to have everything balance and be as perfectly symmetrical as possible, especially photographs of this type. Personally, I tend to start in camera with my composition often leaning towards the quirkier and sometimes off-balance side, but never being entirely dis-harmonious. The symmetrical square crop screams Sierra Club and glossy photo mag perfection, but so does the other one, and I am quite partial to a bit more foreground and that little bit of messy shoreline just barely making itself seen in the deeper shadow there.
If these were my photos? Well, I'd sell the "you know what" out of little gemlike square ones to the masses, but I'd mat and frame the taller one as an 11x14 to hang at home.
Always appreciate the Lightroom tips that I don’t see elsewhere.
Square image is the moneymaker.
With the edge - the vertical format echoes the mountain - it looks more integrated.
I prefer the image with the edge showing. It can be tempting to make a subject larger in the frame, which is possibly how we naturally see a scene. In my opinion, including more of the scene surrounding the subject will add context and interest to the subject.
Thanks for your excellent video.
Enjoyed watching this video. I think that the final image with a shore is much more compelling. It just balances the image well and also gives it a bit more character. It also gives me a sense of standing on the shore and observing the scene which draws me further into the image. The other image is also great, but if I had to choose one, it would be the image with the shore. Thanks for sharing
Great to get back to basics and tune areas that may had not been an area of focus. Thanks!
Thank you mark, appreciate the time and effort to show us the way. Think I like the more cropped squarer version. You made the upper middle look so nice that the lower sandy area was not really doing much. So the concentration is really pulling you towards the mountains focal area 😊
Hi Mark,
Thanks for very good and informative videos 👍🏼
I would love to see your process when it comes to saving and categorising photos, the stages before you start to edit the photos. I have searched your videos but can’t find that you have done a video regarding that topic earlier. Keep up the good work 👍🏼 Best regards from Sweden 🇸🇪
Thank you for explaining why you edit the way you do. I like the the image with the shore as it leads into the mountain as the subject. With the more cropped version, the reflection of the mountain seems to be crushed against the lower edge and my eye keeps wandering around the image. Although it is interesting in that it is symmetrical, and that is always a pleasing composition.
Mark, I prefer the cropped version without the shore line. Great great lesson. Love it man. You give. Thank you.
Thanks so much!
Thank you for those tips !
I often struggle with high dynamic range pictures and sometimes even quit as I feel like I don't know what I am doing after 30 minutes trying to edit a single image.
I will definetly watch this video again while editing.
I'm torn. I think both are amazing photos. Every time I see your videos I'm blown away at the transformation! You take such great shots. You probably don't have the time to go back to previous shoots, but do you ever re-tweak an old photo? When I see what you do, it makes me want to revisit my shots.
im just getting back into photography after nearly 3yrs away due to work..just updated my camera(to a D850) and was looking to update my imac also, as my late 2014 isnt up to what i need.and BANG!!, i came across your video..not only have you Got the set-up im looking to purchase,but your tutorial is amazing!!, precise and informative, i was worrying what the new lightroom software could now do, but you've answered all my questions, im saving this video to help me through the new start-up..instantly subbed!!..many thanks
Beautiful edit Mark, I prefer the one with the shore on the bottom. It draws my eye in better.
That is what I love about your videos Mark. While I have been using Lightroom for years, I always find some Lightroom feature I never knew existed. Solo Mode is one of them. I just love it. Great video. Thank you!
Love hearing this - thanks Bob!
Mark, thanks for the pretty practical guidelines! My vote is for the crop w/o shoreline. One more cent to croping is a mount itself. I was really hipnotized when you show this crop of mount only. Looks like there is a group of people going up hill also. I would consider such option.
Mark, I like the image that's in portrait with the puddle showing
I go for option "Right", given the more dramatic scene and the more natural details in it. Sell worthy, and no kidding. There's a gallery here in downtown Zürich, Switzerland selling these for the price of a lovely wide-angle lens. And BTW, super informative video with new tips & tricks, I immediately will implement in my workflow.
Great tips, thanks! I really love all the features they have in Camera Raw especially all the masking features.
Great video. Originally I liked the cropped version without the shoreline, but the more I looked at it, the reflection of the mountain was smaller than the actual mountain. I think the version with the shoreline helps balance that out. To me the cropped version seems a little top heavy.
Great learning tool for me as all your other videos do. I like the cropped version better. Thanks.
Thanks Bob!
Always enjoy your videos Mark, but in particular I enjoy your post processing tutorials. I always learn something new from them, and its great to get your perspective and thoughts behind your editing decisions. I really like the version with the pool in the front, it adds more character to the image.
Hello Mark
My choice would the picture without the mud. Excellent job, you are so much fun to follow. I have learned so much from you. Thank you.
Mark, my preference is the one on the left without the shoreline, Awesome video as always very enjoyable to watch your way of portraying the method of editing. Thank you
Mark: Thanks for sharing your editing process. Addressing the “big picture” edits first seems to save a lot of detail editing. Also I definitely prefer the cropped image. The clouds in the sky and the reflection give a nice balanced lead into the image. The muddy shoreline doesn’t really add to the image!
As someone new to Lightroom your video was really helpful and informative. Thanks for sharing your process! This will be a great starting off point as I develop my own process. Thanks again!!
Nice tips Mark. I like the non-shorline one, mostly because I like the aspect ratio, rather than some prejudice against the mud.
I like the one with the edge....I think it pulls your eye to the reflection...
Thanks for the video great content. Just reflection for me, creates for of a pure mirror look.
In my opinion, the version on the right is definitely better. It has more air in it. The left version is overwhelmed by the top. The bottom of the photo is not able to balance the intensity of the rocks. More sky and especially more water, builds harmony in the right photo. It doesn't have the tightness of the left one. I think the phrase "the photo breathes" best reflects the grounding of my opinion.
I like the image without the shoreline best. Lovely photo.
Thanks Becky!
Great tips! Thanks
Great video! the one thing i might change is make the subtle changes in the reflection that you did in the actual moutain to carry through the realism of the adjustments.
I think the photo on the right is the superior image. It provides more environmental context and engages the viewer more. The image tells more of a story, a vital photographic aspect, than a picture simply of a mountain. There’s more depth and more perspective too, giving the impression of walking into the scene.
Sir you’ve just changed my life i had no idea solo mode existed 😮
I'm sure you would have picked this up in a more careful edit off-camera, and this is the first suggestion I've ever had for one of your edits after having watched dozens of your videos, but after having brought the sky down and the lake up, your reflection is now (seemingly?) brighter than the sky in places.
Thanks so much for this,really helped my workflow although I have Lightroom cloudy so some of the sliders a different. New subscriber ! BTW I really prefer the squarer crop of the image on the left of the screen without the shoreline. It takes up a larger portion of the screen and therefore has much more visual impact 👌🙂
I have just found your videos and like what you have done here. Explaining editing for someone who has little to no experience with it is very worthwhile. I come from a film background with no darkroom experience. I clicked on your link but get no response from the website. No email came through. Thanks
Great video!! Shoreline for me 😊
I definitely like the uncropped version better. It gives a thing so much more depth I feel.
My preference is the tighter crop without the shoreline - because to me the shoreline is just mud. If the water were clearer and held more visual interest then I might be persuaded otherwise but the function of the pool is the reflection of the mountain so including the shoreline detracts for me personally.
I think the image is leaning a bit to the right. The water is always level, and for that, the peaks of the mountain above and mirrored should always vertically alligned. If you draw a straight line between the peaks, you notice that the line is not perfect vertical. A small horizon correction should be in place :)
You definitely added a couple of things to my toolkit. I found it interesting though that your process is almost identical to the process I use on my landscape images - then I realized I learned most of my process from you! As always, thanks for a great video!
Great video! I like the version with the shoreline, probably because it feels like you’re further away from the mountain. I think it feels a little more stark that way.
As a wedding photographer, I would highly suggest to folks to try the Loupedeck Live CT(smaller version). Why? It has sooooo many of these in one area and it makes editing a breeze. If you want to ever link up to scope it out while I edit I’d be more than happy to link up, Mark!
Great video Mark. IMO, at first I could see liking both. However after watching your video and you stating that you were focused on drawing the viewer’s eyes towards the middle, then I would go with the no shore option. Less distraction to pull your eyes away from the middle.However, as also, excellent picture!!!
I prefer the version with the shoreline, personally. I think it adds more character to the image.
The shore line makes you feel like you're there, the more square version looks more like an inspirational poster
I'm going to give you a tip back. If you have a picture like this with a fairly clear reflection: with selection editing, select both the original and the reflection. When you start highlight where the sun hits that rock, it starts to show a difference in the reflection, it's noticeable.
As for the rest, I have a decent amount of experience, learned mostly by myself, it's interesting that in many things I do the same, just in a different way. Nice to see alternative ways.
P.s. I would go for the cropped version, the mud in foreground doesn't add anything.
Hi Mark- as to the two different approaches in crop- I like the closer crop (without the foreground shore) - it has a very Galen Rowell feel to it (and I say that as a compliment). I think you have already been dinged on the “what you do to the actual subject, you need to transfer to the reflection” in some form- and I find that process one of the most tricky (and often overdone) edits to preform. Perhaps a video on editing mirror images and the tricky nuances that can be found there would be good. Love the image and your videos are always a learning experience!!
Hi Mark, thanks for yet another great video. My preference is the photo with the cropped shore.
I like the one on the left no mud and I like the wider view, I like your story and how you documented the start of your Full time photography experience I'm currently watching that watchlist you made and congrats on your success.
Thanks so much!
Thanks for this video. I love seeing how you take a 'meh' image to something outstanding. I'm quite new to your channel, and I find that in these types of videos, you go very quickly through the enhancements of texture/dehaze/etc., and it seems like you're toning these down. I'm old-school where we always wanted everything as sharp as possible. I understand that you are using these adjustments to draw the eye but I'm wondering if you can do a video where you go through these adjustments more slowly, showing before and after, or if you have already done such a video, if you can point me to it. Thanks for so much great free content!
Hi Mark. First time commenting. Love your work and how you communicate about it. I have one minor suggestion. When adding some warmth and light to the mountain, do not forget to add a little to the reflection as well. It will make it come alive and add some form to that section as well. Almost forgot.... I like them both. I lean a little towards the taller one with the shoreline.
Thanks so much Greg! I didn't add any light to the reflection because reflections are always darker than the subject they reflect.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto Exactly. That is why I said a "little." I have tried two methods that seem to work. If using the same initial brush settings on the reflection, I then reduce it (-) by a certain amount. The other is to just do another separate layer at its own reduced density level. It adds a minor amount of time but the results will be appreciated after. By the way... thanks for following your creative passion.
Great video! Would be interested in seeing how you are adding the white borders in the final images. I've used the crop tool in photoshop for this and "canvas size" but it's never quite right
the one w/out the shore. the pic to the left was my favorite
Interesting video. I much prefer to keep everything open rather than having to open each section as I need it. Also, with the recent Lightroom additions, I usually start out running Auto Transform and Denoise before starting the adjustment work.
The square format fits the scene better in my opinion, I don't think the puddle has as much of an effect to deter from the square format. Thanks for sharing