061 - F-22 Raptor
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2019
- There may be no better fighter in history or currently flying than the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. Designed as an air superiority fighter to replace the F-15 Eagle, the Raptor combines advanced sensors, stealth, and exquisite flight controls and thrust vectoring into a lethal platform.
On this episode, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel Terry “Stretch” Scott joins us to describe the Raptor’s amazing features, weapons, performance, and more. He also helps answer a listener question on what it’s like to fly a fighter during extended ocean crossings, often lasting 12 hours or more!
Returning to the show as a guest co-host is episode 59 star Dave “Chip” Berke, retired U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel and former F-22 exchange pilot. During the listener question segment, he discusses historical paradigms of aircraft design, what is included when discussing the bomb weight classes, how to handle not getting your first choice in flight school, and the difference between blue and green / brown water flight operations.
At the end of the episode we say goodbye and thank you to Sunshine, who hangs up his co-host hat as his day job demands more of his time and attention. Fair winds, shipmate!
Episode artwork photo credit to Daniel Vorbach. Bumper music by Jaime Lopez / announcements by Clint Bell. This episode was produced by our friends at The MuscleCar Place Podcast Network. - Наука та технологія
00:00 Listener Q&A
20:38 F-22 Interview
1:34:55 Farewell to Sunshine
Eyyyy you started doing it! Thanks!
@@therocinante3443 By popular demand. 😎
Saves me time! Lol You guys are really great.
wait what, he flies an A4 now? A4 Skyhawk??
@@Dan20q Yes, he flies for Draken International.
www.drakenintl.com/catalog/aircraft-inventory/douglas-a-4-skyhawk-highly-capable-aircraft
One of those episodes, where I had a smile on my face trough the whole thing
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Okay, the F-22 has always been impressive, but I wasn't aware of the fact that every single control surface can move independently to give you ridiculous and unconventional maneuvering. The F-22s and F-35s are mildly terrifying.
F22 at an air show was mind boggling. It can seemingly rotate around itself in midair and seems to hang or float at impossibly slow speeds while maneuvering.
I work a 1 to 930 shift by myself and I have been binge listening lately. Thanks for the great content keeping my brain busy!
32:06 I know it is Raptor time but oh please Jello DO just bring Stretch back for the F-15C episode. I felt like my prayer has finally been listened for an episode about the Eagle!
PS: Just wrapped up the episode, at 3AM out of all time. Worth it? Damn straight. And Sunshine, thanks for everything and god speed.
I'm pretty sure Stretch will have a hand (...mouth?) in a future Eagle episode.
Looking forward to a follow-on with F-15C, as well as an episode on Drakken.
Extra thanks to Chip for giving the Raptor's situational awareness some love. After all, the Raptor's not exactly employing 6 AMRAAMs with Pilot Eyeball Mk1. Stretch talked about the radar a little but it was about things like the SAR upgrade. It would've also been nice if someone mentioned that even a Raptor still has chaff/flare dispensers, but it's nice that Chip did touch on survivability as being more than having superior stealth and kinematics.
I've been waiting for the F-22 and F-35 podcast!!!!!
40 degrees a second. Good god!
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How can one simply dislike the greatest aviation podcast talking about the greatest Fighter Aircraft ever build ?¿?
Great episode Jell-0, keep up the great work !
Everyone's entitled to their opinion; can't win them all. Thanks!
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Jell-O, we have a situation! Our satellites have spotted a yacht-load of SJWs on their way into port to protest at the airbase. You are cleared hot on that target. I say again, cleared hot. Mine the harbor with CAPTORs, and engage with Harpoons!!! ;)
This was great. You guys made a good job of dodging around the classified stuff, while giving some interesting info and stories. Cheers Jello and Stretch.
Sorry to see Sunshine depart but I get it, the full time job has to come first. Thanks for the year plus of great insight!
The F22 is my favorite aircraft I am thrilled there is not only a podcast about the F22 , but about aircrafts altogether! 🤙
One of the best podcasts to listen to, by far.
"Make them tell you No." 😀
This was great. I don't see it having been done prior, but I would love an episode on the AH-64 or similar attack helo
The dog analogy made me laugh out loud! Too funny.
Thanks! My analogies are usually awful, that one seemed to work. 😜
I am getting addicted to your great show.
P51 to F15 to F22. That's called a bloodline ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Another great episode Jello and Chip, thank you guys so much for making these, they are awsome. I was so excited when I got the email of a new episode with the Raptor picture. Fantastic job again, best entertainment in all media.
These podcasts are amazing, the amount of information you can get from the people that actually flew these planes is huge. I wish you guys could get a Brazilian Air Force pilot to talk about the A-1, A-29 or maybe even our own modified F-5M. Anyways keep up the great work!
You never know. Stay tuned!
I'm actually curious about your carrier A-4s. I heard they got upgraded to carry out BVR combat as well as precision munition delivery just before the sole Brazilian carrier was retired. Is your navy keeping those jets or are they turned over to the air force?
I love the show and have not run into an episode I did not like. All the guests and commentary have been fantastic. I really enjoyed the F-22 episode. I'm hoping for an F-15A-D episode and an F-15E episode.
Sorry, listened to this way late but.... take this for whatever it's worth. Stretch is right on.... but to add to Nico's question on being prepared for not getting a fighter out of training..... Had a lot to think about there and brought up, to some degree, an emotional response. I didn't get a fighter, and I had a frigg'n AWESOME career and even after the service, the experience I gained kept providing for me and my family. To go to UPT or Naval flight school with the precept of "fighter or die"..... well, I think you're there for the wrong reasons. I know it might not be trendy in this day and age to say this but, if you're going to become a military pilot of any sort, ask yourself why do we have these aircraft in the first place? I'll go ahead and answer that for you- For our nation's defense. You're there for our NATION, not yourself! Sure, give it your all, and strive for what you want. But remember you're there first and foremost for your country! Also, to have the privilege to go to a military flight school is an amazing honor, give it your all and be PROUD of whatever you fly. Don't let anyone tell you any less! To put in what it takes to fly any of these tactical aircraft frankly requires giving all of yourself to your nation when it calls, not just in a fighter.
Jell-O, one more thing man. Thanks for what you're doing for all these young folks out there striving to get there. And for all the fans of military aviation. You're doing an outstanding job. Love listening to your stuff. -Harbs
@@dutchholland6928 thanks very much, Harbs. Well said!
One thing I find very impressive about the F-22 is the number of 30 antennas in the RWR system.
I love your show, A short story. At 23 I wanted to fly a Cessna 152. I could do 3 take offs and landings for $17 dollars. Then We would drink endless coffee`s an watch the planes taking off or landing. We sat in the front lounge area looking out over the lush green air field in Marshfield Massachusetts town airport, which was a very small airfield on the ocean in the North East. I loved it. I all most gave up body building I was so enamored with flying. Well I got devorced and that put an end to the flying. Great show, and thank you
Thanks for the story, Kevin. People can love flying even if they don't do it.
@@FighterPilotPodcast I hear you guys talking and it reminded me how much fun I used to have just talking air planes.
Just found your channel, subscribed. I want to thank you for the amazing content and for your service.
Definitely one of my favorites episodes or whatever you like. Thanks.
Best wishes Sunshine, thanks for all of the content
Cool stuff bro learned a lot and really enjoyed this show.
I am soooooooooo excited for this episode!!!
As always… just a great show!!!! What an amazing career and after career!
Would love an episode on the YF-23.
F-22A Block 30s were the most capable CAS platform in Syria until the USMC F-35Bs arrived in 2018.
F-22s were putting SDBs through windows of specific ISIS cell leaders, opening the door for F-15Es, and doing counter-air with multiple VLO intercepts against Syrian and Iranian Air Force fighters.
F22 capable cas platform LMAO. I don't think so dude, that'd be the A-10
Best of luck and thank you for what you do Sunshine, using your training, knowledge and sacrifice to make the Fleet strong. Truly a Great American.
Wishing Sunshine is having a great time flying. Hope to have you around again.❤️❤️❤️❤️
Love this bird. StarScream is F22 in TF. Raptor pilots were suffering with serious coughing problems around 2011
Ironhide: " It's Starscream!"
This Podcast is phenomenal I'm always looking forward to episodes and this one certainly was fantastic! Chip is such a cool guy to listen too, it'd be great if he was on the show even more, and Stretch was just as great to listen too. The F-22 is just a beast of a plane, I just recently seen it fly at one of our local airshows flown by Major Paul "Loco" Lopez and it was amazing 👍
God bless we have you guys to cheer me up . Thank you.
Awesome interview. Seeing the Raptor in action amazes me on its aerodynamic capabilities.
Always good to hear from an Experienced Expert. Thank you Sir.
God Bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
God Bless American Troops 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Big fan from India
Namaste!
@@FighterPilotPodcast Hello
Hi Surya. What is your favorite fighter of all time?
@@Chironex_Fleckeri F-14 Tomcat
@@suryanarayansingh1219 India are pro Russki
Awesome episode! Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Thanks. Very interesting podcast. Was very surprised that canopy would not allow helmet mounted system, cockpit always looked roomy to me from terra firma. Too bad production was stopped, but at $70k an hour, i get it. Hopefully NGAD will be worthy a successor and affordable to use. Even if simulators are good and complementary tools, nothing can replace actual flying. In the end your plane is only as good as your pilots, so flight hours matter.
Keep up the good work 👍
Good stuff team and nice to hear some real stories, so much news that are plainly wrong :) Good job.
It's a great podcast. I learn a lot about the aircraft and the organisations. :)
For quite a while now I was wondering (and somewhat worried about) what happened to Sunshine. Glad he's ok and doing well. Never caught the closing message on this one til now.
I was stationed in Vegas at nellis and worked on F-22 as a crew chief my baby was 99-011 then moved on to the F-35
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Longest Duration in a Fighter Jet?
My former supervisor used to be a crew chief on F-111’s at RAF Lakenheath, England. His jet participated in an round trip Operation called El Dorado Canyon, which was over Libya sometime in 1986? He said, he and others had to physically pull the pilots and WSOs out of the cockpit because they were so exhausted.
Does anyone know how long that roundtrip lasted for those aircrews? I am curious - it was probably a record.
My new favorite podcast!! 😎
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Now I know I’m 2 years behind but… Thank you Sunshine!
He remains a friend of the show 👍
Posted 1hr ago? Cant wait to listen to this
The AN/ALR-94 on the aircraft is amazing...what it does for the combat system on the F-22. Good vid...
what part does he talk about alr-94?
@@flyingcactus1953 They don't.
Very interesting episode as an avionics maintainer on the aircraft for 8 years.
Thanks! 🙏
I love the raptor and the F-14 tomcat so this podcast was AMAZING! Thank you for this even if im a little late!
Did you ever do a podcast about the Tomcat?
Well done! BTW, if you watch the episode 'Mr. Monk and the Astronaut' you can see Tony Shalhoub running aside a Raptor marked F/A-22. :)
I've heard that combat-coded Raptors got the same/similar helmet cueing as the A-10C, which is a monacle that fits under the visors and allows the NODs to be attached still, unlike JHMCS.
Amazing episode. F-22 is my favorite modern fighter.
Too bad they only built ~175!
@@FighterPilotPodcast Just too expensive to have more considering F/A-18s are still very capable.
@@jasonsong86 does not apply: F-22 is Air Force, F/A-18 is Navy
@@FighterPilotPodcast Oops, I am so embarrassed since I have been listening to your podcasts. I guess it's still a cost thing after all. F-16's are still great for what it can do but maybe they realized having a twin engine F-22 didn't make too much sense so they went on and designed the F-35 for both the Air Force and Navy.
@@jasonsong86 and the Marine Corps. And many other countries
I'm not a pilot or expert or anything but with the growing number of 5th gen jets like J-20 and Su-57, do you think the airforce and navy have enough 5th Gen air superiority / offensive capibility ?
And do you think an F-35 with AIM-120 is equal to an F-22 with AIM-120 in a bvr engagement with a 4++ adversary like SU-35 or Typhoons and Rafales? Thanks for the Podcast.
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Pins for the ejecting seat of the F22 Raptor with canopy blocked was put on? I meant i want to know that the pilot have it inside of the cockpit, or is not required
F22s are in the first Iron Man, he actually gets hit by the jet and it loses a wing. F35B was in the Avengers and gets ripped appart by Hulk, I would say you were 2 for 2 more or less :D Great show btw :)
Thanks, I'm not huge into all that so at least I was close!
It was in the first Ironman. My favorite scene of the movie.
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The most interesting tid bit is the commonality between newer Blocks, seeing as the same is the case with Vipers and their CCIP upgrade.
The Combat-coded Block 30s are significantly different aircraft under the hood, with expanded A2G/SAR capes, better central computer banks, newer RAM, JDAM and SDB capable, better data link interoperability, etc.
These things just keep getting more and more fun! The characters are FAR better than any Hollywood movie!
Stretch and Chip are good people.
I really hope you guys can get someone from RMAF or any US members that participated in Cope Taufan 2014, would be interesting to hear what these people has to say.
Hi jello. Have you ever thought about doing an episode with pilots from the various branches to go over how career tracks progress to help with the listeners who are interested decide on which brand is right for them? Thanks.
Had not considered that specific idea. Do plan on eventually having an officer recruiter from each branch come on to describe what their service offers.
Can you tell us your current thoughts about F-22 vs F-23? Back in the day fighter pilots always favored speed n range. F-23 supposedly much more faster and stealthier, but F-22 is a little more agile. With how tech gets outdated so quickly; supposedly no one would have stealth tech for awhile (which was underestimating competitors) and risk of losing such valuable asset vs cheap drone or sam. Really interested in hearing pilots opinion. Thank you
With two A-4 Skyhawk pilots can we expect a video on Viper/Jester’s bird?
Nope. But we do have an A-4 episode coming up.
Col. Scott was given his choice of planes? Meaning he was an exceptionally skilled and talented pilot and soldier. How does the USAF determine if a pilot is able to choose their plane?
The hosts will know this better, but from what I heard from other interviews, after jet training pilots are trained depending on their grades. The higher up one is, the more choice in aircraft they have.
I got a J3 Cub as my MWS and never looked back.
question on your website when you have the aggressor f/a-18s flying in formation one of them has a quadrack with what looks like mini aim-9s whats that about?
Those are LGTRs, or laser-guided training rounds.
www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/enhanced-laser-guided-training-round.html
Did he just say Raptors merged with Flankers? Great interview as always Jello
We addressed that after the interview.
I talked with a Raptor driver who had intercepted a Syrian AF MiG-21. They never saw him. He set up on him and called him over guard, told him to change his heading and go away.
The presence of F-22s & F-35s changes things to where air hostilities are reduced because we hold all the cards, whereas the threats have no indicators that we're within weapon parameters of them.
I remember hearing a couple high supersonic booms when I was at home in wa when those 2 fighters came zooming by to protect the presidents airspace years ago...heard they were f15 fully loaded at 1.7m at like 40000 asl, and I chuckled when I imagined how scared that made our enemies ...the speed despite load was great haha, then I had that reminder that f22 could be at that speed without afterburner ;)
Asked to be the masters of air to air! Wow! Terrill TC!
HILARI story about the surprise he got from his controler guy? He said you two are dead is scary to think about once you get the news that you died.
Im happy not sad that I have 0 hours right now come the F-22 Raptor. In conclusion nice video here! Terrill TC!
It's now 7/6/22 almost three (3) years after this original video was produced. It seems as if the movie "TopGun" (not Top Gun) has listened to your advice. Is it a coincidence that what occurred in that movie is consistent with the capabilities of the FA-18 vs. the 5th Gen aircraft, fictiousially proposed as enemy aircraft, which ust happed to be an outcome as you guys described in this podcast from back in the day?
Wow, what a fortunate prediction of the capabilities of 4th and 5th generation aircraft compared to our usual "Ford model" FA-18s as is the common comparison. This podcast accurately predicted some of the ergonomics of the movie "Top Gun Maverick" as part of this pilot-to-pilot explanation made on this channel. These conversations were made a few years before the movie "TopGun Maverick" finally came out. You guys must have had some sort of ESP to predict the experiences of this F22 pilot with respect to the scenarios which actually occurred by the real Blue Angel pilots who performed the actual flying sequences in this superior movie. I don't believe in ESP, but if there is such a thing, your pilots had it.
I'll have to listen again, daffidavit, I don't remember exactly what we discussed but am glad we hit the mark!
If a guy goes into lead in fighter training but does not do well, can he go fly something else ?
Also really hope we workin on some better longer range air to air missiles for this bird
Dont you missed the DACT part guys? Id love to hear how specifically Raptor deals against 15, 16 and 18 in terms of acceleration, climb, turn rates and g?
Great effort anyway!
Thank you guys.
Thank you Sunshine. Best of luck!
I think they specifically glossed over that aspect for operational reasons. But I agree with you it would be neat to see a cockpit view of a F-22 eating gen 4 jets for lunch.
It's better in every way against all comers in one way or another:
The Bug obviously has the energy maintenance deficiency--it's a fairly heavy airplane for what it is and you get a lot of induced drag from the wing design at speed--but the Raptor is better against it in the vertical and in the horizontal. I'd wager that they're both close once you get them slow thanks to the Bug's elastic AOA limiter and design-focus on a slow radius fight, but the Raptor probably has somewhat of an edge, though. That big flat fuselage will work as one big lifting body as slow speeds and will probably give you a decent amount of control in pitch, not mentioning the thrust vectoring.
The Eagle isn't as good in the horizontal and isn't quite as good as the F-22 in the vertical or at maintaining energy since it's a little heavier and the F-110s don't put out as much power. It's probably about the closest in speed and climb rate, but it'll have a much lower pitch rate.
The Viper isn't as good in the vertical, but probably is about as close as any of the three will get in maintaining energy and in the horizontal, same for acceleration thanks to how slick the airplane is, but it doesn't have the low-speed handling qualities at all thanks to the 29 degree hard AOA limit the Viper has for aircraft stability reasons. Not mentioning that at high-AOA the thing bleeds speed like mad to induced drag and just doesn't have the raw thrust out of it's single F-110 to keep it up.
G-wise, the Raptor, the Viper, and the Eagle are all 9G airframes--the Eagle may be artificially limited for airframe life, I'm not sure though--while the Hornet is a 7.5G jet in most applications unless the pilot overrides the limiter to get it to it's hard 9G limit. That 7.5G limit on the Hornet really hurts your turn rate when fast because you do pile on the pretty quickly when in a fast fight, you end up pulling and pulling and the jet won't give you anything beyond it unless you tell it to tattletale on you to the maintenance guys because you went past the 7.5G soft limit. High-off-boresight missiles like the AIM-9X really are what evens the score between all of the 4th gen jets you mentioned.
@@Combatant5 F-15 doesn't have GE F110s, unless we're talking South Korean F-15K.
F-22A thrust/weight, TV, climb rate, and super maneuverability exceed performance envelopes of all the teen fighters considerably, not that any of these metrics really matter.
@@LRRPFco52 if you circle back and detail read my post, you'll note I didn't specify a model of F-110 on the part discussing the F-15...
As for the rest of what you have to say, I'd be willing to guess the performance is a lot closer than what you're thinking it is. The Raptor is a very good airplane, but it's not a slow-speed fighter, and the whole supermaneuverability thing is an airshow trick, and the same is true to a point with thrust vectoring. It helps, but it doesn't change the aerodynamics of the airplane. That big, flat fuselage and large double-delta wing make a whole lot of drag for the lots of lift it produces at slow speeds and high AOA because past a certain point it just becomes one big air dam. Further, if you again go back and detail read my post, I said the F-15 was *closest* in performance in the vertical and in speed. The F-22 definitely surpasses the Eagle, but it's going to be what gets you closest.
Ultimately, though, it's entirely possible to beat the F-22 in the visual arena if you play to your strengths, and there are more than a few videos here on UA-cam showing it. You just have to get there--problem number 1 since you can't find the thing--and get lucky.
@@Combatant5 The only videos of F-22s defensive are from defensive perch set-ups, which are common for BFM. In every other set up, they normally dominate, unless going up against FWS instructors. There are senior FWS instructors who don't make a lot of mistakes that are just going to win no matter what you bring to the fight.
Where a senior FWS instructor or high time pilot is at a complete disadvantage is in a real fight against the Raptor, starting from BVR.
Re: F-15 propulsion, they are either Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220s or -229s, not the GE F110 (with the rare exception I mentioned).
Wow good
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Robert Downey Junior messed up the F-22 in the first Iron Man movie. The joke was that his company manufactured the F-22 so when his military buddy told him he was going to have to reimburse him for the jet, he just says he'll give em five more or something.
The lore in my mind is that Stark Industries is actually just an analog for the entire US defense industry, and in the Iron Man universe, it's basically all conglomerated under one company so they don't have to worry about portraying real corporations in ways they wouldn't like.
I'm curious how Lockheed felt about the F-22 being portrayed as lesser than Iron Man - you'd think they might not be happy with the jet getting destroyed even though it was just CGI. The Russians are much more sensitive about that, it seems - any film or art that portrays Russian military vehicles generally gets bent into propaganda to some degree. It seems like the Russian MoD or Russian defense companies are a little squeamish about having their products portrayed as anything but Godly.
Good points. I imagine there are some at LM who didn't care for the Raptor being destroyed and others who were simply happy to get some press.
To the Raptor's credit, they managed to give Iron Man/Tony a hard time and the F-22 being downed was due to an accident and not any ill-intent on Iron Man's part.
...How armor that thin managed to shrug off 20mm rounds is... well... movie magic, I guess.
I know this is way late, but wasn't the brown water Navy the small attack boats- Riverines? 🤷♂️ I'm probably wrong, though... 🙂 --Doc Lykins, former HM3.
Sounds right, but before my time.
I first saw one in a movie in the 2003 Hulk film . They were CGI obviously.
ayyy my dads callsign was also stretch
L.A speed check...🛸
From my understanding, the vision was to replace the F-15 with F-22 and everything else with F-35. If that happened, the US would have a completely all stealth fighter force by now. Boy I wish we had that.
That would be something.
Perhaps in the future development of tech, the helmet mounted setup will be reduced enough in size to fit
I don’t understand. We read that this aircraft isn’t able to keep a readiness rating much above 60%. Is it not possible to make a stealth fighter reliable without an extraordinary effort by maintenance?
Apparently they’re not all here.
@@FighterPilotPodcast sorry. Not trying to be flippant or condescending. I understand maintenance, worked in V-2 on Ike and ended up managing QA for Cats.. but it drives me nuts to read we are unable to achieve a readiness rating of 80%. If I ran my company at anything less than 99% I’d go broke.
Maybe the News articles are just headlining for readers. But I’m not sure we could win any kind of limited conflict with a peer level adversary much less a war where we try to defend Taiwan, Japan, Australia, etc… or Croatia, Poland etc with 1/2 of our force ready to fight.
www.defensenews.com/air/2020/05/07/the-air-force-bails-on-mattis-era-fighter-jet-readiness-goal/
1:00:00 The biggest weakness is the simplicity of the helmet.
Plot Twist: It has an even more advanced helmet. (I mean seriously, sneak that in there and it becomes basically hacks.)
F117s were flying around NTTS about a year ago. Guy on UA-cam called “pdgls” caught one on camera.
Yep, that's why I asked. 👍
The Fighter Pilot Podcast Hey Jello, i didn’t hear anyone talk about TGP capability for the F22. Is there such a thing? Thanks in advance.
@@Vardeth805 Let's start with what 'TGP' means...?
The Fighter Pilot Podcast targeting pod or any other optical sensor capability.
@@Vardeth805 Not sure, didn't ask too much about sensors--figured he wouldn't tell me much.
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Ghostbusters
The best long distance plane ever: Concorde. 😉
Weather bad in something tight is prophetic for my from 7-3-76 the date of my birth to the now of 2021. Terrill TC!
Dude, stop.
Haha, just watched "Aloha" (available on DisneyPlus) and the F-22 appeared just about 45 seconds, showing Emma Stone getting into the cockpit and putting her helmet on. That´s it. So all the flying was cut out. What a pitty.
How to reconcile not getting a fighter: Go guard or reserves lol
True. Going to mention that on the next episode. Chip and I were simply unfamiliar...
In think McDonnell Douglas was the major subcontractor for the YF-23A the way Boeing was the major subcontractor to Lockheed-Martin for the YF-22... if memory serves me right
Wikipedia seems to corroborate:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23
They have stopped making them already. Do they have enough? I thought they were going to replace the f-15.
"They have stopped making them already."
Indeed, but this is also the first variant/block of the F-22. And Lockheed-Martin still retains all the tooling and whatnot to start-up production again. It would take some time (it's not like they could restart making them in days/weeks/months, but they could start remaking them in a year or two if they really had to.) but at least the option is there. No one that defends the F-35 wants to hear it, but I don't care because you need to face reality: the F-22 was sacrificed in part to help pay for the F-35. Just another reason I will always, always hate the hell out of the F-35 and hope I live long enough to see it retired from service.
"Do they have enough?"
...Can one have enough F-22s? But, really, no, they don't. Not anywhere near enough. There's only 187 operation aircraft. Some will be lost to accidents and incidents. They are all around the same age, too, and thus will start getting to the limit of their airframe lifetimes in terms of hours and stress over time at around the same time unless the Air Force purposely flies some less and are kept in reserve... which means less F-22s to use in operations and training. Spare parts are also going to be an issue, too.
My guess is that a decade or two from now one of two things are going to happen: 1.) The Raptor becomes the unicorn and the fighter version of the B-2, nearly sacred and precious and treated like a national treasure. 2.) Reinforced by new F-22B/C/D/whatever/Block[insertnumberhere] that are upgraded with new avionics and radars and other neat things and newly manufactured.
...Let's hope for the latter.
@@matchesburn depends how you see it. A single F-22A on average would easily beat 8 F-15s, it is a force multiplier. In pure number however there's quite frankly not enough F-22A to fully replace F-15 in the roster.
There's many factor why F-22A stopped production and one of them is F-35 entering production, but it's not really just a pure sacrifice. After the cold war, the F-22A doesn't have actual enemy to face. There's nobody that can contest the F-15's superiority let alone the F-22A. The govt decided that more F-22A is not needed because of it's highly capable, but somewhat limited compared to F-35 series.
What does F-35 have over F-22A? Many things. It's stealthier, much more user friendly cockpit with one large touchscreen interface, more advanced avionics like newer, better radar, EOTS for more flexible ground strike using laser targeting, new data link system that's easier to connect with other allied planes(F-22A data link is only connected mostly to F-22A and AWACS, other planes can't directly connect to F-22A), DAS sensors all over it's body paired with helmet display giving 360 IR view and tracking. Many of these systems can't be implemented in F-22A because of technical difficulties or even design limitations. F-35(A and C variant specifically) also carries larger 2000lbs JDAMs internally which can't fit in F-22A's weapons bay.
F-35 can fill in the numbers of F-22A that the USAF didn't buy to some degree, but I must mention there's no actual substitute for a dedicated air superiority fighter. Sadly, USAF research on restarting Raptor's production basically states that it's practically impossible because some technically reasons and mostly budget reasons, and it's preferable to make a successor to F-22A instead
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"What does F-35 have over F-22A? Many things. It's stealthier"
...I can't take you seriously. You can carry water for the F-35 like you're eagerly awaiting for your guerilla marketing check to come from Lockheed-Martin, but I'm not going to listen to claims that belong more in line with Soviet propagandist bullshit than it does reality. But thank you for providing an excellent example of the lengths of reality denying that F-35 proponents are willing to go to. Good day.
Restart production line of the f22. Only has the f22 and f35 retire all f16 f18 f15
@@stealthtallyfox7210 you're getting a bunch wrong here. The F-22 has the smaller RCS (roughly equal to a golf ball while the F-35 is roughly equal to a baseball), better payload capacity and endurance, and the same ability as any other current-generation aircraft to share information (Link 16/MIDS/other such systems). The F-35 is also less-capable from a performance perspective within the visual arena thanks to it's single engine with less thrust overall than the two F-119s of the Raptor. You also mentioned the F-35's ability to carry Mk.84 class weapons. While it's true the JSF can carry 2000 lbs-class weapons, it's significantly restricted in what air-to-air weapons it can carry simply due to it's two smaller weapons bays versus the Raptor's single large centerline bay and two smaller intake bays. A Raptor would generally carry (as mentioned in the interview) a half-load of missiles at 4 AAMs and two racks of SDBs or two 1000 lbs GBU-32s. They're significantly closer in capability than you're making out.
Also, the reason production ceased was down to politics. In 2009, the Obama Administration and the US Congress torpedoed funding for the remaining jets because they were, "not relevant to post-Cold War (read:low-intensity and COIN) conflicts. Right now, the F-22 does have enemies it's worth having to counter in the Su-57 'Felon', the J-20 'Black Eagle', along with advanced Su-27 variants like like the J-11 or Su-35. Further, the F-35 makes a lousy interceptor due to it's reduced top speed which is why the USAF is currently exploring the F-15X as a supplement to the F-22 fleet, and a direct replacement to the F-15C.
Amazing aircraft! I wish they made a navalized version
Would have made it an entirely different aircraft.
@Joe150 ish I'm reasonably confident that the F-35C\B will prove to be a very capable, highly survivable platform.. Just like the Hornet series. Sure.. We'd all like to see the U.S Navy acquire an aircraft dedicated to "air superiority". But that would obviously lead to compromises as well. Not to mention the gaggle of online"experts", disgruntled politicians and media that would gladly hate on such a project for being unnecessary and or too expensive. You know.. The same treatment the F-35 receives.
Hey jell-o I would love to hear you interview Taiwanese fighter pilots. Here we have an indigenous built fighter called F-CK-1 Ching Kuo. Its a mean and capable fighter jet, defending our skies from China.
I've never heard of it before. It looks like a F/A-18c but with a single vert stab. Pretty cool looking I'd like to learn about it.
Great interview. The only thing I would like to know is if he had any experience flying with the F-35 in combined operations.
I don't believe he flew the F-35.
@@FighterPilotPodcast thanks for the answer, but I referred about him in the F-22 supporting the F-35, like in red flag. Just to know his opinion abot the F-35 and if he thinks it will be as effective as the F-22 for day one.
@@MarioSeoane Oh, gotcha. Not sure, will have to ask him...
@@FighterPilotPodcast thanks
@@FighterPilotPodcast BTW, just another question. I'm a big fan of the Rhino, what do you think about the claim from Boeing that is as effective as the F-35 for day one?
Thank you again
This one is going to have the comment section bursting with conflicts.
Fight's on!