As a fan of this channel, I've waited 2 years for you to analyze these scenes from The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. I was one of Nicolas Cage's photo double in this movie - you can see my dotted face in the BTS clips. I was doubling for Cage's current self, and Nick Wittman doubled for his younger self. But in the end, when you see Young Nick Cage's face, it's the real Cage, just de-aged. Thank you, for mentioning this movie in your show!
@@trevorcarlisle5447Because it was him and another guy being photo doubles for cage. So when neither of them worked for the last shot he’s talking about, he would know it’s just de-aging
The fact that three professional CG animators are looking at this frame by frame and can’t tell 100% if it’s real or CG is incredible. I saw the movie on an 80’ imax screen and it was just mind blowing. It was like looking though an aquarium at an alien zoo. Amazing
The new Avatar movie was just visual eye candy. Usually 3D films in the past give me a headache but this movie was FLAWLESS visually. Got to the point where I forgot that the whole thing was CG
There is a really incredible shot in Avatar towards the end where two of the Navi and a human get on a fish horse, and they are all interacting seamlessly and being splashed with water and I have no clue how they did
Cameron explained it in one of his interviews. they used a technology similar to flyboards aka water jetpacks. they made constructs which the actors could ride, and have them fly above water or dive below its surface. that way they got all the physical interactions with the water.
I might be wrong, but I think the left one was a shot of Jake, because I remember Jake also doing it (pulling the leather straps) with the fish-bird thingy when he first learns to ride it, and the one on the right is the one with Lo'ak when he first learns to ride the other fishy-thing, because the hands are more than enough to show it, because Jake has a much more vibrant pigment than Lo'ak, and the one on the right might be Lo'ak and the one of the left might be Jake and that is why both the shots looks a lot more different. 😅😅 and I think the shot on the left might've been real with Jake and used it as a reference for the second one with Lo'ak. And also the colors of the saddle are different in both the shots, which further pushes me to believe that they might be two different shots.
Niko’s ability to communicate in basic terms for the audience what he’s seeing in these shots is incredible. I mean, everyone at corridor is tremendously talented, but that dude has really turned into an engaging and charismatic presence on the couch.
I totally agree. I really love different qualities within all of the team members, but Niko has a real gift in connecting with the audience and breaking things down in very intelligent, yet easy to understand and follow terms.
I just watched avatar 2 in Dolby 3d and I can say, the fact that the only way you can tell the shot might be real is... Bubbles. Real goes to say this movie looks beautiful and genuinely makes it hard to tell if something was real or cgi. It looks so real part of my brain legitimately makes me think it's a total real place and not cg
We only got to see a 2d showing on a dolby cinema.. I do want to see the 3d though. Looked great and sounded great! The CRAPPY part... is that the cinema we were at had a slight mis-align/parallax on the right side of the screen, so everything was off by an inch and a half. Very unfortunate. Bugged me the entire time.
I would wholeheartedly agree, if it wasn't for the questionable choice to go between 24/48 FPS during the hybrid action/visual set pieces in premium formats. That bugged the hell out of me and felt very distracting. It definitely made the visuals feel even more unnatural and robbed some of the visual fidelity from the film.
I think this movie is exactly what it's predecessor was--the very best photoreal CG we can do at the time. I can already tell it's gonna age. It's not perfect there just moments that don't quite hold onto that "holy shit that looks real" grip that as the technology improves and we can do better this film will age and look just as fake as the first one does in comparison to it. But there are some scenes that truly show off what today's VFX is capable of to the nth degree
As a swimmer, free diver, and somebody who has filmed and been filmed underwater. Avatar's underwater scenes are so good. Much better than any VFX underwater scene from Aquaman and Wakanda Forever combined. Yeah the movie is entirely too long but the visuals are amazing.
Might be because they're actually free diving where others are on harnesses. Apparently, they all had to learn, and Kate Winslet got the set record with a bit over seven minutes. Makes some sense since Avatar's underwater scenes don't require talking or extensive acting.
the backwards muzzle flash is actually sometimes a joke us vfx artists do. point is proving no one's gonna notice and it's probably gonna get approved. I'm a sup and I know its kinda cutthroat considering how much they pay for these shots but what the hell, the artists themselves don't actually see that money only the people on top so it's kind of like a protest in a way.
Is it like when sound effects puts in the Wilhelm scream? It's never not obvious and annoying, I noticed it on Cavill's first superman film, they also made the prison pods look like dicks so maybe everyone was just unhappy with the director?
I wonder if editors put in reverse shots with fire as their Wilhelm Scream/Backwards muzzle flash? I’ve seen it in countless movies and shows where a transition shot has the fire going down instead of up. Like they wanted to zoom out instead of in so they just reverse the footage thinking no one would notice. Well my hyper vigilance sees it every time.
Corridor Crew has mentioned something similar in the past. A certain generic Blood splatter effect in Form of an X that gets reused over and over again. Like the Room A113 joke
The moment in Avatar II that the kids jumped into the water, for me, was the equivalent of Dorothy opening the farmhouse door to the land of Oz. The amount of detail in those underwater scenes was amazing. I wish the first and last acts of the movie were each about 25 minutes shorter, but the middle... perfection.
According to Eric Saindon (VFX Supervisor for TWOW): The shot in question was both live action and CG. The props department built a llu saddle and strap for Kevin Dorman to sit on in a small pool on stage. Kevin's hand and forearm were painted by Sarah Rubano using reference of Jake's arm from the CG model. Jim Cameron was then able to get the performance he wanted for the wrapping of the strap around Jake's hand and interacting with the water. Once we got the plates at Wëtä FX, we match moved the motion and used CG from the straps above Jake's wrists. We used real water over the saddle and around the hands and fingers. CG water was used to extend the plate and to get the interaction of Jake's body in the water.
@@seansweetman but also they did say they think it's a reshoot and it changed. When in fact both shots exist probably an artistic decision to show father like son type of thing (idk haven't seen it yet). But that alone means both exist and it would be weird if one was all cgi and the other wasnt. Either way it's fucking groundbreaking.
Jake was the only one who used a leather strap, Lo'ak just tried to hold on as normal. We've seen good CGI and bad CGI, but this was a movie, like the entire thing was CGI, except for a handful of humans. Cameron gives his team enough time to complete their work, instead of giving them impossible deadlines to try and meet. That's the difference.
@@rogersjgregory Ironically, James Cameron has also been described as a monster on set because oh how demanding of the crew he is. Probably was soft on the Avatar crew because he knows this stuff takes time. Fascinating filmmaker that man
Hearing him talk reminds me of some of my classes from my chemical engineering major. It’s amazing how much science they need to retain to be able to make this kind of stuff
The fact that CGI is so good these days that you have to zoom in on water tension on a seam of a tiny piece of leather to determine if something is real or generated in the first place is still mind blowing.
Gotta love how the industry is improving so much the arguments for what's CG and what's practical went from, say, what smoke is behaving like a fluid interacting with objects or just a filter over the practical set, to now arguing over the light refraction of individual water bubbles as it contorts from flowing down an object and the individual water droplets plus surface tension as it hangs on to a single thread sewn into leather.
That avatar shot is 100% 2 different shots. One of Jake and one of his son. Having seen the movies 3 times, I'm confident they r 2 different shots but what is real and what is cg? Idk lol the fact it's even a debate is ridiculous. The CG in this movie is incredible. Especially the detail in the faces this movie
I couldn't believe the bit where Ripley's daughter is all done in from the underwater bush high, and she is lying on the bed with that fish botherer doing voodoo shit and there's a close-up of her stomach with all the fine hairs on it. I find that hard to believe is CGI
i think that's really the question. less so of "are these two different shots?" (i know they do mention this tho) but rather "are both shots CG? or real? or both?"
were you high? you watched the movie 3 time's but Jake is the Only one Who Strap's himself to the flying alien fish he even hurts his hand when he couldn't hold on to the strap 🤦♂️🤦♂️and his son never did that you need to watch the movie the 4th time broooo .
I can’t remember a time before this series, I know it involved DVD extras and behind the scenes clips from movies but now visual effects artists react is like, the staple format for this stuff, it’s become essential viewing, I love it!
The VFX supervisor of Avatar, Eric Saindon, spoke recently in an interview about this shot and said “The shot in question was both live action and CG. The props department built a llu saddle and strap for Kevin Dorman to sit on in a small pool on stage. Kevin's hand and forearm were painted by Sarah Rubano using reference of Jake's arm from the CG model. Jim Cameron was then able to get the performance he wanted for the wrapping of the strap around Jake's hand and interacting with the water. Once we got the plates at Wëtä FX, we match moved the motion and used CG from the straps above Jake's wrists. We used real water over the saddle and around the hands and fingers. CG water was used to extend the plate and to get the interaction of Jake's body in the water.”
My favorite episode was with Arin Hanson! I hope he comes back. Plus the challenge between Mark and Sean was epic! Thank you for making these videos still, they are the highlight of my weekends!
As someone who works with leather, my opinion, looking at the way the leather interacts with the water is that the leather at least is done practically. There are nuances with the way water affects leather that I don't think VFX artists would take into account. There is tension in the strap and there is a cause and effect of how that tension disperses when he is pulling the strap tight. There are too many elements interacting in such a realistic fashion for it to be completely VFX.
i think it's still important to consider that the shots these guys are showing are two different ones. One is of Lo'ak and one is of jake. So they didn't just make a real shot for the trailer, these are both part of the film. As the person b4 me said, expertise matters both ways.
The fact that they've now had this shot explained to them in their new video and all of the things they said should've been impossible to do CG were actually all done in CG is freakin insane! The surface tension of the water breaking on the fabric and changing texture as it seeps in. The bubbles. The water congealing on the seams of the leather. Them saying the amount of detail would be too much and then it actually happening in CG is such a testament to how crazy this technology has become!
@@StefanCreates Has it what? Has the technology advanced to a crazy degree? Has it been proven to them? I don't think I understand what you're asking lol sorry.
Avatar; You guys are talking about the water, which is impressive, sure, but look at the veins in the hands. They bulge out when he tightens the strap. That is a cool detail if done in CGI.
For the Avatar shot they keep talking about, I’m pretty sure they’re two different scenes in the movie. One is when Jake Sully is learning to ride the alligator looking animal that can also fly, the other is when Jake’s son is learning to ride the dolphin looking thing the children ride. Two different scenes, but they both show them strapping their hands to the saddle.
Love this series! Would be cool to see you analyze and talk abit about the Chronicles of Narnia movies. Stuff like the making of Aslan and effects like the water-pouring painting.
Damn where would you even start??! Normally with CGI I'm always fussy and looking out for jank but with this movie I forgot CGI was even a thing and just got totally immersed in the world and acting etc.
@@leebeeskee For me the movie looked so damn real that I started noticing minor things that would've flown right past me in any other movie, like the whalers turning into CG doubles and then back again when their boat got thrown around.
@corridor crew, 3:10 Foundation was a wonderful experience! I went from being an extra to training to do Stunts and then becoming the Stunt Double for 'Dawn' on this project. This canoe was great fun, shot out in the Water Tanks in Malta we got to row about in the canoe to help train Lou Llobell. The VFX work is top notch, locations were stunning and the journey is one I'll never forget. A big shout out to Ireland for hosting this production for Season 1 & 2 👋👋
I highly recommend "The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent" because it's just good movie with a fun story and a love letter to Nic Cage's entire career.
They also got way more ambitious with scenes having Avatars or Na'vi interacting with humans. Basically every Spider and You-Know-Who scene was fun to watch.
@@blitzgirl6522 yeah the interaction between CGI Na'vi and human Spider was just seamless. You forgot that those blue tall aliens are not real throughout the film.
When I rewatch some of these older: "VFX artist reacting videos" sometimes I think I haven't watched them before, but I'm always starstruck by how many of these I've watched, Every time I learned a little more
I would love to see you guys react to scenes from "Shin Godzilla". The movie came out 2016 and simultaneously has pretty bad CGi and amazing CGi, but if there's only one scene you're able to watch, I would say the night time atomic breath scene is best
Just for some contexts, it's the first Japanese made Godzilla film to primarily use CG. But they still mix in some practical effects as well which blends nicely. The production blew their budget on a huge animatronic for the movie, but ended up scrapping the idea and that's why for the first part of the movie the CGi looks quite lacking and in comparison you can tell they put all of their effort into Godzilla's final form in this movie because it looks fantastic. Ps: there are some great behind the scenes videos on UA-cam showing how they did the effects
I'm not sure if it is the right place for asking that but I'd reaaaally love some reacts to Cloud Atlas. This movie is a masterpiece and deserves a little more love !
For that shot from foundation you can see the wipe better if you look in the top right hand of the screen. Crazy to think that I’m actually learning more from watching you guys than what I learned in intro to VFX in college
I was watching Hitchhiker's Guide the the Galaxy the other day and I was blown away by the practical effects and costumes. I would love to see you feature the movie sometime if you haven't already.
The Avatar 2 leather strap scene has two different shots because it’s two different scenes. The second one is of Jake’s son. The very first shot we ever saw is of Jake himself. Two different shots in the film. Not the same shot done twice
Isn't the belt shot from teaser and from final trailer actually two different shots where characters learning how to ride? First shot is son trying to ride and second one is father trying to.
@@BloodshotEight0 no, second shot is Jake strapping himself to the creature. Lo'ak is never seen strapping himself to any creature. The first shot is unused.
There is actually an article that mentions this shot and they confirm it is partially real, The hand connected to the leather strap is indeed a real painted hand
Ahh see that's what I was thinking. The first being a real shot with some elements CG'd for the sake of capturing the detail in the hands and strap, then the second time done all CG using the original as reference.
@@xAlbin0003x It looks like someone's being taught to do that kind of knot, so oft course there would be multiple shots of it. I don't know why the guys even though it had to be the same shot and they changed it haha
Yeah, basically they’d do some CG water extension for where the Na’Vi body interacts in the background of the shot, and maybe the arms are CG, but everything that’s the harness and the hands, and the water directly around them is real take. There are also many shots of “live action” Na’Vis that haven’t been picked up yet, although they can be quite more obvious to spot So in short, the main thing we see in this shot is live action that is enhanced with CG “to the sides”
I discovered your channel a while ago, but hadn’t watched these videos and I have to say, these are by some of *THE BEST* videos on UA-cam. It’s like watching a great movie but with relatability to the viewer. Keep up the AWESOME work!
Two two shots that were being compared with Avatar were not actually the same shot redone. There was Jake doing it, and there was his Son doing it. Thats why they look different - they are different arms and different props. They could both be CG, and the first shot might have more water detail simply because they ran a heavier water-sim on it because its a closer shot. But it would be easier to accomplish live action than CG.
By far my favorite episode is Wren putting the camera on the crossbow. As an archer and an editor that was a dream to see those 360 shots, especially the one through the tree!
I dont think the world will ever see another Nicolas Cage. A guy that proved that he can do it all, reach the top stay at the top, win Oscar and then decided that it was too boring so he would always try to act in a new way in every other film and if it wasnt any good so be it. Iconic, legend, GOAT
Foundation is such a mixed bag ... visually its amazing.. script and story wise its just a hollow shell to the books and the more drastic deviations from the source material literally detract so much of what the books worked to instill. Love this show keep it up!
YES! That minor mistake becomes so obvious when you're analyzing the shot that I don't know how how they missed it. There are even two instances of paint bleed, one on the knuckles, and a smaller one near the thumb.
I rewatched the Polar Express today and it’s pretty surprising how well the animation and honestly everything else about that movie holds up. It was definitely a passion project
Love it when you guys get into the nitty gritty on these avatar shots. You probably couldn’t miss if you kept releasing avatar shot analysis after the movie releases. Thanks for being so fun! Merry Christmas!
Honestly, the whole Dune comparison and pretty much all of the AI stuff was really great, but I swear that epic AI medieval story from Nico was beyond awesome. Here's to an amazing 2023!
Watching these has made me look at CG in movies a lot differently and while watching the new Avatar I noticed a shot where they are swimming and a character's shoulder strap clips into their body lol
I was very impressed overall with their ability to have both long ocean shots AND detailed flip-style sims in the foreground, and how well they interfaced the two. I'm learning Houdini and water sims always feel very tricky, even with all the tools available.
The fact that they spent so long analyzing a one-second clip from a trailer for The Way of Water just goes to prove that James Cameron's films hold up surprisingly well to repeat viewings.
Here is my theory on the Avatar leather strap shot ... the one in the original trailer might have been just shot for real as reference for the actual shot. And for the trailer they possibly used the reference shot for the actual shot FX not being done yet and they dropped in the CG arms. Using incomplete fx shots is common enough for trailers. I recall in the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer in the "I'm Starlord man" shot the other guy had blue sky behind him but in the movie it was very different.
@@kaciusmaximus1809 Wrong, his son DOES NOT use leather straps. The movie came out less than 1 month ago, how the fuck does people already have Mandela effect?
♥ the work you guys do. One of my favourite episode was " VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 89" with Mathieu. As i am civil engineering student and not related to cgi or vfx industry in anyway, the discussion on the owl was interesting and really liked his work on transformers and awesome stuff was that "lockdown" character in transformer movie, the movement mechanics was based on his style of walking.
I don't know if anyone can express the same sentiment but being a super fan of cgi, movies, art, and the "creative process," and following you guys since episode one, my appreciation for all movies with cgi has heighten enormously and I absolutely couldn't wait for Avatar 2 to come to theaters and when it did, it became my MOST FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME. Much appreciation for all you guys there and Corridor Crew!
Can't wait for Jim C to randomly pop in 25 years to clear everyone's doubts about The Shot™️ . It would be hilarious if they end up not even using it in the movie.
I'd like to see you guys do a whole episode of breaking down different surprise-vehicle-hitting-character shots, like the bus shot in Final Destination 1.
In the Avatar clip at 11:28 you can see water droplets from the hand that tightens the leather straps. The droplets are dirty as if they are mixed with leather oil. As opposed to the other clip, the droplets are not there.
The one thing from the original shot from the Avatar clip that is making me feel like it is practically shot is the character's left hand. The way the skin creases and wrinkles around the knuckles and how the water reacts to it reminds me of how skin of actors with _very_ thick make-up paint reacts. The creases and wrinkles come across almost like rubber and the water rolls off the skin too quickly. As with the guys, I am not certain that this is the case, they could be intentionally making the skin look that way to make it seem extremely thick (like rhino skin) and the low level water absorption could also be intentional for a more aquatic attuned Navi, but both of these are different in the second version of the shot, but due to the increased movement it is really hard for me to compare. However, while I think the first shot's main giveaway is due to limitations of practical makeup in front of high def cameras and with water, it still looks amazing, especially the thumb on the left hand. If I am right, then its still crazy that they would go to that length of practical setup when it is intended to be CGI'd later down the line.
As a fan of this channel, I've waited 2 years for you to analyze these scenes from The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. I was one of Nicolas Cage's photo double in this movie - you can see my dotted face in the BTS clips. I was doubling for Cage's current self, and Nick Wittman doubled for his younger self. But in the end, when you see Young Nick Cage's face, it's the real Cage, just de-aged. Thank you, for mentioning this movie in your show!
He meant he was working on this film for 2 years and waited to see their reaction
Filming started in 2020 so this probably already thought of corridor when he was shootint. If it is actually him ofc
How do you as being only a photo double have the information on how the special effects were rendered?
@@timdedecker7894 Exactly!
@@trevorcarlisle5447Because it was him and another guy being photo doubles for cage. So when neither of them worked for the last shot he’s talking about, he would know it’s just de-aging
Can't believe you guys are almost at episode 100, it all stared with Sonic's human teeth. How time flies 💯
@Yeehaw and good vfx we must balance the negative
Why, they post twice a week you plumb
@@AnthonyMak21 they look at the bad vfx and explain it in a _constructive_ manner
What?? The first episode was Sonic's human teeth? That feels so fuckin recent, jesus.
They've been around way before sonic teeth. Since Freddie Wong still around I think.
The fact that three professional CG animators are looking at this frame by frame and can’t tell 100% if it’s real or CG is incredible. I saw the movie on an 80’ imax screen and it was just mind blowing. It was like looking though an aquarium at an alien zoo. Amazing
And that's why they haven't been included on major movies. They are good but not the best. The best don't have time to do this.
@@mannyblackstarYou sound like you know what you're talking about
@@mannyblackstaruhm, alot “the best” actually came on the show to join them lol
The new Avatar movie was just visual eye candy. Usually 3D films in the past give me a headache but this movie was FLAWLESS visually. Got to the point where I forgot that the whole thing was CG
The one really annoying thing was the constant frame rate change, but still stunning film.
@@Jpch1004 seems that at least some of the scenes were in 48 fps rather than 24 fps
@@Jpch1004 find a theater without hfr
@@IronShovel actually from i've seen it's a mix, 24 for your static scenes like them talking etc and 48 for those action like scenes. Pretty great ngl
They are great looking movies. Shame about the characters and writing.
There is a really incredible shot in Avatar towards the end where two of the Navi and a human get on a fish horse, and they are all interacting seamlessly and being splashed with water and I have no clue how they did
Bro I thought the same thing
Cameron explained it in one of his interviews. they used a technology similar to flyboards aka water jetpacks. they made constructs which the actors could ride, and have them fly above water or dive below its surface. that way they got all the physical interactions with the water.
A fish horse HAHAHAHA
The really crazy thing is that the live action stuff was filmed 2-4 years after the motion capture. That would require some amazing planning.
Fish horse 😭😭
I might be wrong, but I think the left one was a shot of Jake, because I remember Jake also doing it (pulling the leather straps) with the fish-bird thingy when he first learns to ride it, and the one on the right is the one with Lo'ak when he first learns to ride the other fishy-thing, because the hands are more than enough to show it, because Jake has a much more vibrant pigment than Lo'ak, and the one on the right might be Lo'ak and the one of the left might be Jake and that is why both the shots looks a lot more different. 😅😅 and I think the shot on the left might've been real with Jake and used it as a reference for the second one with Lo'ak. And also the colors of the saddle are different in both the shots, which further pushes me to believe that they might be two different shots.
Yep
Same thought, it's two differents scenes. But the first one looks so real it's mindblowing to say this is CGI. Very impressive!
Wasn't it a longer shot with jake tying his hand to the reins? I might be wrong cause it's been a week since i watched.
@@omniscribblr yes it was a longer shot. Two shots I believe
Yeah, having seen it yesterday:They are two separate shots that are both in the final movie
Niko’s ability to communicate in basic terms for the audience what he’s seeing in these shots is incredible. I mean, everyone at corridor is tremendously talented, but that dude has really turned into an engaging and charismatic presence on the couch.
Thanks “S. Smith”, otherwise known as Niko. 😂😂😂
@@namehereandthere How dare you be so rude about this nice comment, I, Mr N. Iko, fully support the sentiments expressed.
I totally agree. I really love different qualities within all of the team members, but Niko has a real gift in connecting with the audience and breaking things down in very intelligent, yet easy to understand and follow terms.
I'd love to see a whole video about the VFX for Avatar 2 like what you did with lord of the rings
You need to make an episode exclusively of a breakdown of The Way of Water when it releases in digital and home media.
Jesus the behind the scenes stuff for The Way of Water after the movie finally comes to home media is gonna be so amazing to watch!!
I just watched avatar 2 in Dolby 3d and I can say, the fact that the only way you can tell the shot might be real is... Bubbles. Real goes to say this movie looks beautiful and genuinely makes it hard to tell if something was real or cgi. It looks so real part of my brain legitimately makes me think it's a total real place and not cg
If you saw it in 3d like I did, you might have literally reached out to the screen because of how real the shots looked like I also did
We only got to see a 2d showing on a dolby cinema.. I do want to see the 3d though.
Looked great and sounded great!
The CRAPPY part... is that the cinema we were at had a slight mis-align/parallax on the right side of the screen, so everything was off by an inch and a half. Very unfortunate. Bugged me the entire time.
I would wholeheartedly agree, if it wasn't for the questionable choice to go between 24/48 FPS during the hybrid action/visual set pieces in premium formats. That bugged the hell out of me and felt very distracting. It definitely made the visuals feel even more unnatural and robbed some of the visual fidelity from the film.
Because i knew the main characters were cg, my brain literally forgot the people weren't also cg because of how good it was
I think this movie is exactly what it's predecessor was--the very best photoreal CG we can do at the time. I can already tell it's gonna age. It's not perfect there just moments that don't quite hold onto that "holy shit that looks real" grip that as the technology improves and we can do better this film will age and look just as fake as the first one does in comparison to it. But there are some scenes that truly show off what today's VFX is capable of to the nth degree
As a swimmer, free diver, and somebody who has filmed and been filmed underwater. Avatar's underwater scenes are so good. Much better than any VFX underwater scene from Aquaman and Wakanda Forever combined. Yeah the movie is entirely too long but the visuals are amazing.
Not too long. Felt like a 2 hour movie. Enjoyed every second.
Might be because they're actually free diving where others are on harnesses. Apparently, they all had to learn, and Kate Winslet got the set record with a bit over seven minutes. Makes some sense since Avatar's underwater scenes don't require talking or extensive acting.
Lol too long my ass you 🤣
I personally was mesmerised for the entire time so it didn't feel like a long movie at all!
@@barnacleboi2595 I bet you'll sit there and watch all 9 hours of the dumbass directors cut, too lol
the backwards muzzle flash is actually sometimes a joke us vfx artists do. point is proving no one's gonna notice and it's probably gonna get approved. I'm a sup and I know its kinda cutthroat considering how much they pay for these shots but what the hell, the artists themselves don't actually see that money only the people on top so it's kind of like a protest in a way.
Is it like when sound effects puts in the Wilhelm scream? It's never not obvious and annoying, I noticed it on Cavill's first superman film, they also made the prison pods look like dicks so maybe everyone was just unhappy with the director?
plus its a dream sequence, why not make it a little weird.
I wonder if editors put in reverse shots with fire as their Wilhelm Scream/Backwards muzzle flash? I’ve seen it in countless movies and shows where a transition shot has the fire going down instead of up. Like they wanted to zoom out instead of in so they just reverse the footage thinking no one would notice. Well my hyper vigilance sees it every time.
@@BrandonPrive1432 That was actually my first thought, that someone let it stay in because of that. If it was ever noticed originally.
Corridor Crew has mentioned something similar in the past. A certain generic Blood splatter effect in Form of an X that gets reused over and over again. Like the Room A113 joke
The moment in Avatar II that the kids jumped into the water, for me, was the equivalent of Dorothy opening the farmhouse door to the land of Oz. The amount of detail in those underwater scenes was amazing. I wish the first and last acts of the movie were each about 25 minutes shorter, but the middle... perfection.
According to Eric Saindon (VFX Supervisor for TWOW): The shot in question was both live action and CG. The props department built a llu saddle and strap for Kevin Dorman to sit on in a small pool on stage. Kevin's hand and forearm were painted by Sarah Rubano using reference of Jake's arm from the CG model. Jim Cameron was then able to get the performance he wanted for the wrapping of the strap around Jake's hand and interacting with the water. Once we got the plates at Wëtä FX, we match moved the motion and used CG from the straps above Jake's wrists. We used real water over the saddle and around the hands and fingers. CG water was used to extend the plate and to get the interaction of Jake's body in the water.
But there are two shots now, so which one is it.
It's a different shot in Avatar guys, go watch the movie. The first trailer shot is of Jake Sully, the one you're gushing over here is of his son
The point is what is real and what is not I think
@@seansweetman but also they did say they think it's a reshoot and it changed. When in fact both shots exist probably an artistic decision to show father like son type of thing (idk haven't seen it yet). But that alone means both exist and it would be weird if one was all cgi and the other wasnt. Either way it's fucking groundbreaking.
Jake was the only one who used a leather strap, Lo'ak just tried to hold on as normal. We've seen good CGI and bad CGI, but this was a movie, like the entire thing was CGI, except for a handful of humans. Cameron gives his team enough time to complete their work, instead of giving them impossible deadlines to try and meet. That's the difference.
@@rogersjgregory Ironically, James Cameron has also been described as a monster on set because oh how demanding of the crew he is. Probably was soft on the Avatar crew because he knows this stuff takes time. Fascinating filmmaker that man
I watched the movie 2 days ago. The shot from the first trailer is not in the movie.
Lo'ak doesn't tie himself to any sea creature, it's just Jake.
Niko's breakdown on this just shows how good he is at his craft... You guys are awesome.
Hearing him talk reminds me of some of my classes from my chemical engineering major. It’s amazing how much science they need to retain to be able to make this kind of stuff
The fact that CGI is so good these days that you have to zoom in on water tension on a seam of a tiny piece of leather to determine if something is real or generated in the first place is still mind blowing.
I love that shot in BVS. You can watch it multiple times and discover something new each time! Personally think it’s a fantastic film!
Gotta love how the industry is improving so much the arguments for what's CG and what's practical went from, say, what smoke is behaving like a fluid interacting with objects or just a filter over the practical set, to now arguing over the light refraction of individual water bubbles as it contorts from flowing down an object and the individual water droplets plus surface tension as it hangs on to a single thread sewn into leather.
Merry Christmas Eve corridor crew
That avatar shot is 100% 2 different shots. One of Jake and one of his son. Having seen the movies 3 times, I'm confident they r 2 different shots but what is real and what is cg? Idk lol the fact it's even a debate is ridiculous. The CG in this movie is incredible. Especially the detail in the faces this movie
I couldn't believe the bit where Ripley's daughter is all done in from the underwater bush high, and she is lying on the bed with that fish botherer doing voodoo shit and there's a close-up of her stomach with all the fine hairs on it. I find that hard to believe is CGI
There's no moment where Lo'ak straps himself to the creature. Only the second shot is in the movie, and it's Jake.
Afaik the "saddle" could be practical but the water is CGI
i think that's really the question. less so of "are these two different shots?" (i know they do mention this tho) but rather "are both shots CG? or real? or both?"
were you high? you watched the movie 3 time's but Jake is the Only one Who Strap's himself to the flying alien fish
he even hurts his hand when he couldn't hold on to the strap 🤦♂️🤦♂️and his son never did that
you need to watch the movie the 4th time broooo .
I can’t remember a time before this series, I know it involved DVD extras and behind the scenes clips from movies but now visual effects artists react is like, the staple format for this stuff, it’s become essential viewing, I love it!
Niko talking about surface tension was *chef's kiss.* I love that you guys have understanding of physical phenomenon and tie it into your work.
The muzzle flash scene was a dream sequence. Maybe FX got ambitious.
First thoughts exactly.
The problem is it wasn't a dream, it was a premonition of the future brought on by a time traveling Flash, or some dumb shit like that.
@@aolson1111 yea who’s to say? Let’s hope we never have to spend another 3-5 hours to find out
lmaoooo i forgot was this bvs or JL
@@Wolfhunter5607 BvS
The VFX supervisor of Avatar, Eric Saindon, spoke recently in an interview about this shot and said “The shot in question was both live action and CG. The props department built a llu saddle and strap for Kevin Dorman to sit on in a small pool on stage. Kevin's hand and forearm were painted by Sarah Rubano using reference of Jake's arm from the CG model. Jim Cameron was then able to get the performance he wanted for the wrapping of the strap around Jake's hand and interacting with the water. Once we got the plates at Wëtä FX, we match moved the motion and used CG from the straps above Jake's wrists. We used real water over the saddle and around the hands and fingers. CG water was used to extend the plate and to get the interaction of Jake's body in the water.”
My favorite episode was with Arin Hanson! I hope he comes back. Plus the challenge between Mark and Sean was epic!
Thank you for making these videos still, they are the highlight of my weekends!
As someone who works with leather, my opinion, looking at the way the leather interacts with the water is that the leather at least is done practically. There are nuances with the way water affects leather that I don't think VFX artists would take into account. There is tension in the strap and there is a cause and effect of how that tension disperses when he is pulling the strap tight. There are too many elements interacting in such a realistic fashion for it to be completely VFX.
Someone who works with leather but not CGI is still not qualified to say if it's entirely VFX. Expertise matters both ways
i think it's still important to consider that the shots these guys are showing are two different ones. One is of Lo'ak and one is of jake. So they didn't just make a real shot for the trailer, these are both part of the film. As the person b4 me said, expertise matters both ways.
The fact that they've now had this shot explained to them in their new video and all of the things they said should've been impossible to do CG were actually all done in CG is freakin insane!
The surface tension of the water breaking on the fabric and changing texture as it seeps in. The bubbles. The water congealing on the seams of the leather.
Them saying the amount of detail would be too much and then it actually happening in CG is such a testament to how crazy this technology has become!
But has it though...
@@StefanCreates Has it what? Has the technology advanced to a crazy degree? Has it been proven to them? I don't think I understand what you're asking lol sorry.
Avatar; You guys are talking about the water, which is impressive, sure, but look at the veins in the hands. They bulge out when he tightens the strap. That is a cool detail if done in CGI.
For the Avatar shot they keep talking about, I’m pretty sure they’re two different scenes in the movie. One is when Jake Sully is learning to ride the alligator looking animal that can also fly, the other is when Jake’s son is learning to ride the dolphin looking thing the children ride. Two different scenes, but they both show them strapping their hands to the saddle.
I really can't wait until you do an episode on Everything Everywhere all at Once. Both stunt and effect work are worth discussing.
The rocks were the best effect in that movie
@@RPAudioeVisual which episode?
@@RPAudioeVisual which one?
@@RPAudioeVisual Which one?
Way of the water was literally mind blowing so happy they reacted to it
Love this series! Would be cool to see you analyze and talk abit about the Chronicles of Narnia movies. Stuff like the making of Aslan and effects like the water-pouring painting.
3:49 Bro that is the old school minecraft water splash sound
Atomic Blond 2017
When they can they should do a breakdown on the whole way of water movie it blew my mind watching it would just love to hear their thoughts
Damn where would you even start??! Normally with CGI I'm always fussy and looking out for jank but with this movie I forgot CGI was even a thing and just got totally immersed in the world and acting etc.
@@leebeeskee For me the movie looked so damn real that I started noticing minor things that would've flown right past me in any other movie, like the whalers turning into CG doubles and then back again when their boat got thrown around.
the whales :)
It’s nice to have people from the industry on the couch, but I think the best episodes involve these 3 guys 😊
@corridor crew, 3:10 Foundation was a wonderful experience! I went from being an extra to training to do Stunts and then becoming the Stunt Double for 'Dawn' on this project.
This canoe was great fun, shot out in the Water Tanks in Malta we got to row about in the canoe to help train Lou Llobell. The VFX work is top notch, locations were stunning and the journey is one I'll never forget.
A big shout out to Ireland for hosting this production for Season 1 & 2 👋👋
I highly recommend "The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent" because it's just good movie with a fun story and a love letter to Nic Cage's entire career.
i just watched this last week i agree it was not what i expected but so much fun
Avatar the way of water looked so good
By far the best looking movie I have ever seen
It's visually stunning, but the story dragged. Kind of just an excuse to have all the visuals.
@@bryanwoods3373 Honestly, its a great excuse for me hehehe I spend the entire movie in Awee with the efects that i didnt evenn cared about the story
@@bryanwoods3373 The story dragged... for you! I thought the story was great and felt very emotionally invested.
@@bryanwoods3373 ok
I throughly enjoyed the movie.
One of my favorites.
But you can not like it, idc
Is definitely the #1 most visually stunning movie I have ever seen for me.
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of fine detailed stuff Niko can point out in a 2 second clip. Dude is good at his job dam lol
AVATAR: One shot was actually Sully, and the other was a different scene of Sully's son.
I hope they react the the shot of Kiri laying in the shallow water when there able to react to more of Avatar. That shot for me was mind blowing.
They also got way more ambitious with scenes having Avatars or Na'vi interacting with humans. Basically every Spider and You-Know-Who scene was fun to watch.
@@blitzgirl6522 Voldemort??
@@ArthurKnight1899 Adolf?
@@blitzgirl6522 yeah the interaction between CGI Na'vi and human Spider was just seamless. You forgot that those blue tall aliens are not real throughout the film.
Agree! It's so realistic you would think Cameron went to another planet to shoot some scenes
When I rewatch some of these older: "VFX artist reacting videos" sometimes I think I haven't watched them before, but I'm always starstruck by how many of these I've watched,
Every time I learned a little more
I would love to see you guys react to scenes from "Shin Godzilla". The movie came out 2016 and simultaneously has pretty bad CGi and amazing CGi, but if there's only one scene you're able to watch, I would say the night time atomic breath scene is best
Just for some contexts, it's the first Japanese made Godzilla film to primarily use CG. But they still mix in some practical effects as well which blends nicely. The production blew their budget on a huge animatronic for the movie, but ended up scrapping the idea and that's why for the first part of the movie the CGi looks quite lacking and in comparison you can tell they put all of their effort into Godzilla's final form in this movie because it looks fantastic.
Ps: there are some great behind the scenes videos on UA-cam showing how they did the effects
Thanks for always educating and entertaining us with these videos, Crew.
I hate that when she throws the Canoe into the water, you hear the same sound as filling a bucket in Minecraft at 3:40
Hope you guys put together a full video on Avatar 2 after y'all see it. It's so visually mind-blowing
I hope you never stop this series.. look forward to it every week!
The air bubbles coming out of the leather makes me think the first Avatar shot was practical, at least in part.
I'm not sure if it is the right place for asking that but I'd reaaaally love some reacts to Cloud Atlas. This movie is a masterpiece and deserves a little more love !
I was avoiding that thinking it was related to atlas shrugged. Just found out it's not. Gonna watch now.
I remember how so many people disliked it when it came out cuz the parallel plotlines were too hard to piece together.
I love how they go into huge detail on the water sim but don’t even talk about how the poles come out of nowhere
I was thinking the same the poles looked really janky on that.
Which poles? Put the time stamp
@@RPAudioeVisual they talking about the canoe shot, I also got mistaken and thought they were talking about avatar
what poles
@@RPAudioeVisual 4:42 The poles\handles coming out from the middle if the boat
For that shot from foundation you can see the wipe better if you look in the top right hand of the screen. Crazy to think that I’m actually learning more from watching you guys than what I learned in intro to VFX in college
I was watching Hitchhiker's Guide the the Galaxy the other day and I was blown away by the practical effects and costumes. I would love to see you feature the movie sometime if you haven't already.
The Avatar 2 leather strap scene has two different shots because it’s two different scenes. The second one is of Jake’s son. The very first shot we ever saw is of Jake himself. Two different shots in the film. Not the same shot done twice
Isn't the belt shot from teaser and from final trailer actually two different shots where characters learning how to ride? First shot is son trying to ride and second one is father trying to.
The darker skinned one is the father and the new one is the son
@@BloodshotEight0 no, second shot is Jake strapping himself to the creature.
Lo'ak is never seen strapping himself to any creature.
The first shot is unused.
nah only the father used a leather strap
@@Kerrogannbro its the father on the left( Jake) and Lo’ak on the right , 2 different shots . Jake on the warrior fish and loak on the normal fish
There is actually an article that mentions this shot and they confirm it is partially real, The hand connected to the leather strap is indeed a real painted hand
And some of the water is real too around the strap
Ahh see that's what I was thinking. The first being a real shot with some elements CG'd for the sake of capturing the detail in the hands and strap, then the second time done all CG using the original as reference.
@@TheRealAlpha2 The second shot is actually just another shot in the movie, tho very very valid point
@@xAlbin0003x It looks like someone's being taught to do that kind of knot, so oft course there would be multiple shots of it. I don't know why the guys even though it had to be the same shot and they changed it haha
Yeah, basically they’d do some CG water extension for where the Na’Vi body interacts in the background of the shot, and maybe the arms are CG, but everything that’s the harness and the hands, and the water directly around them is real take.
There are also many shots of “live action” Na’Vis that haven’t been picked up yet, although they can be quite more obvious to spot
So in short, the main thing we see in this shot is live action that is enhanced with CG “to the sides”
Thank you to the Corridor Crew for an awesome year.
As for fav. The Boston Dynamics "rip-off" video. (the biped robot)
I discovered your channel a while ago, but hadn’t watched these videos and I have to say, these are by some of *THE BEST* videos on UA-cam. It’s like watching a great movie but with relatability to the viewer. Keep up the AWESOME work!
I'm just glad Donald Justice is getting the recognition it deserves.
Merry Christmas Corridor Crew and gang!
Two two shots that were being compared with Avatar were not actually the same shot redone. There was Jake doing it, and there was his Son doing it. Thats why they look different - they are different arms and different props. They could both be CG, and the first shot might have more water detail simply because they ran a heavier water-sim on it because its a closer shot. But it would be easier to accomplish live action than CG.
Fave ep is probably the Stuntwomen React from the other week, the insight into their world was just incredible. Happy Holidays to everyone 🎄
I think the muzzle flash gets a pass from me. I never noticed it and I’m glad you guys still praised the shot for being cool
By far my favorite episode is Wren putting the camera on the crossbow. As an archer and an editor that was a dream to see those 360 shots, especially the one through the tree!
3:34 they use the Minecraft sound effect lmao
I dont think the world will ever see another Nicolas Cage. A guy that proved that he can do it all, reach the top stay at the top, win Oscar and then decided that it was too boring so he would always try to act in a new way in every other film and if it wasnt any good so be it. Iconic, legend, GOAT
Another great episode!
For some bad CGi, check out the baseballs in the A League of Their Own TV series. Episode 3 at 25:50 is a good example.
Foundation is such a mixed bag ... visually its amazing.. script and story wise its just a hollow shell to the books and the more drastic deviations from the source material literally detract so much of what the books worked to instill. Love this show keep it up!
I have no favorite video. every time you guys get on that couch and react, it's always enjoyable to watch.
Avatar 2 was so awesome, cant wait for 3
on the avatar shot they talked about how its real because of the bubbles but no one noticed the brown paint from the strap on the actors hand
YES! That minor mistake becomes so obvious when you're analyzing the shot that I don't know how how they missed it. There are even two instances of paint bleed, one on the knuckles, and a smaller one near the thumb.
I rewatched the Polar Express today and it’s pretty surprising how well the animation and honestly everything else about that movie holds up. It was definitely a passion project
Love it when you guys get into the nitty gritty on these avatar shots. You probably couldn’t miss if you kept releasing avatar shot analysis after the movie releases. Thanks for being so fun! Merry Christmas!
My favorite episode was the arm break episode!
I don't remember what that was for again but definitely how it was done, really cool trick
This is one of my favorite Channels. You guy’s are awesome!!!! Also props to Wren rocking the Akira hoodie.
You know where to buy that hoodie? Looks really dope.
First thing I noticed. I have been looking for it and can't find it. And I am not sure where I could ask them. Also, that's Nico
In the Avatar shot there is also no color change on the pad like in the trailer shot. The color where the water hits darkens in the trailer
Honestly, the whole Dune comparison and pretty much all of the AI stuff was really great, but I swear that epic AI medieval story from Nico was beyond awesome. Here's to an amazing 2023!
Thank you for being a big part of my life and the inspiration that keeps me going.
THANK YOU for talking about the avatar shot. That’s the number one thing I noticed in the ENTIRE trailer. I was blown away
Watching these has made me look at CG in movies a lot differently and while watching the new Avatar I noticed a shot where they are swimming and a character's shoulder strap clips into their body lol
Still waiting for you to look at Dark City's 1990s crazy city morphing!
I would love to recommend you guys the baby dragon scene from the netflix's THE SANDMAN. I mean that shot is brilliantly done.
I was very impressed overall with their ability to have both long ocean shots AND detailed flip-style sims in the foreground, and how well they interfaced the two. I'm learning Houdini and water sims always feel very tricky, even with all the tools available.
Thanks for a Christmas video with no sponsors or ads. 🎄❤️
In Avatar 2, those are two different shots(scenes). One is of Jakes hands, the other is of his sons hands.
I was looking for someone else in the comments who was going to point this out
The fact that they spent so long analyzing a one-second clip from a trailer for The Way of Water just goes to prove that James Cameron's films hold up surprisingly well to repeat viewings.
Here is my theory on the Avatar leather strap shot ... the one in the original trailer might have been just shot for real as reference for the actual shot. And for the trailer they possibly used the reference shot for the actual shot FX not being done yet and they dropped in the CG arms. Using incomplete fx shots is common enough for trailers. I recall in the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer in the "I'm Starlord man" shot the other guy had blue sky behind him but in the movie it was very different.
No. Both shots are in the movie. One is of Jake, the other of his son, just doing essentially the same thing
@@kaciusmaximus1809 Wrong, his son DOES NOT use leather straps. The movie came out less than 1 month ago, how the fuck does people already have Mandela effect?
@@thebadwolf3088I’m sure some people have only seen it once and have to remember things they only saw in passing, chill bruh
♥ the work you guys do. One of my favourite episode was " VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 89" with Mathieu. As i am civil engineering student and not related to cgi or vfx industry in anyway, the discussion on the owl was interesting and really liked his work on transformers and awesome stuff was that "lockdown" character in transformer movie, the movement mechanics was based on his style of walking.
I don't know if anyone can express the same sentiment but being a super fan of cgi, movies, art, and the "creative process," and following you guys since episode one, my appreciation for all movies with cgi has heighten enormously and I absolutely couldn't wait for Avatar 2 to come to theaters and when it did, it became my MOST FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME. Much appreciation for all you guys there and Corridor Crew!
Wren's "gulp" in the halloween episode was one of the best moments for me. Lmao
Can't wait for Jim C to randomly pop in 25 years to clear everyone's doubts about The Shot™️ .
It would be hilarious if they end up not even using it in the movie.
15:41 when u make an awesome joke and u r the only one who's laughing. Happens to me all the time
Merry Christmas, guys! Love you all! My favourite video this year was the collab with Adam Savage
I'd like to see you guys do a whole episode of breaking down different surprise-vehicle-hitting-character shots, like the bus shot in Final Destination 1.
I want to see you guys remake that leather grip avatar shot, and do it practically! Then compare that show with the weta shot!
In the Avatar clip at 11:28 you can see water droplets from the hand that tightens the leather straps. The droplets are dirty as if they are mixed with leather oil. As opposed to the other clip, the droplets are not there.
Two different scenes. That's why
@@leebeeskee The shot from the first trailer isn't in the movie.
You guys should have a Foley artist on the show.
Second this. Would be an interesting new angle for you guys to explain.
The one thing from the original shot from the Avatar clip that is making me feel like it is practically shot is the character's left hand. The way the skin creases and wrinkles around the knuckles and how the water reacts to it reminds me of how skin of actors with _very_ thick make-up paint reacts. The creases and wrinkles come across almost like rubber and the water rolls off the skin too quickly.
As with the guys, I am not certain that this is the case, they could be intentionally making the skin look that way to make it seem extremely thick (like rhino skin) and the low level water absorption could also be intentional for a more aquatic attuned Navi, but both of these are different in the second version of the shot, but due to the increased movement it is really hard for me to compare.
However, while I think the first shot's main giveaway is due to limitations of practical makeup in front of high def cameras and with water, it still looks amazing, especially the thumb on the left hand. If I am right, then its still crazy that they would go to that length of practical setup when it is intended to be CGI'd later down the line.
Love watching you all squirm when talking about some of the shots like the water strap in the new Avatar movie.