It’s the transmission that’s better for a lot of applications, not the engine. Everyone goes on about the 2.8 vs the 4.5 but the difference is really the transmission. Put a 6 speed auto behind the v8 and ,,,, But I like my 5 speed manual in the bush.
It’s just the lower chain (not the main one) has an oil pressure fed tensioner. It’s just not tensioned tight before the oil pressure picks up. More of a sound than a big issue
I’d go back to my 1HZ coil spring front troopy. But that’s not going to happen so might as well accept that the 2.8 is it. Currently own a v8 troopy and I really don’t think it’s that special
@ it’s not that I’m not enjoying it, it’s more the location of the alternator, the added complexity of a turbo engine, a flat panel filter vs a cylindrical one. Paper filter elements vs spin on metal filters . No advantage in fuel consumption for some gains in performance , wider front track , which I’ve corrected with a trutrack. I’m a rusted on Toyota owner but I’m not at all impressed with the VDJ
This a common fault with a 2.8 and Toyota will warrant the repair. Not a big deal some people don’t even bother fixing it. Still impressed with the 2.8s
Ive been listening to these engines in the hilux for years with the start up rattle , they do it before service and after service . That cant get instant oil pressure . If the chain tensioner was spring loaded then it wouldnt have any noise .
I took my 2023 sr5 in to suss out the noise. They kept car over night did a cold start in the morning. If it last longer then 30 seconds on cold start or if it’s constant at idling that’s when they replace it. Mine goes away after 5 seconds. The service manager and the boys told me yes they can get noisy timing chains and they replaced quite a few but no one has ever seen the timing chain go bang yet. It’s just a 2.8 thing diesel things.
Got my 24 Hilux in at Toyota currently getting the chain done, made a constant tick on cold start, the Forman mechanic tried to flog me off saying it was just diesel noise. Argued it and they agreed to replace it.
Remember when they did this in the 70s 80s especially in Holden's that pissy little 4 in the LX Torana with that annoying carb you put the foot down and didn't go any faster
Very common with 1GDs. We've been through atleast 3-4 different bulitins in NZ on hiluxs, prados etc. Lucky im pretty sure the 70 doesn't have the balance shafts like hiace and prado that grenade the motor. So far Toyota NZ have experimented with billet sprockets instead of cintered metal, different gear profiles etc. But they still seem to rattle, especially with long service intervals. The chains do stretch and tend to bow out. Haven't seen anything related to the 70 specifically, Toyota might look at it depends if your local guy is friendly
Take it to the dealer inside 5k of the waranty expiration to maximise the overall value. This assumes it remains a light rattle on startup and doesn't worsen.
I just can't see it being as good long term. Its got more net zero crap on it and its under a lot more stress than the big v8. Sounds crap too. Which is the main thing 🤣. I think put the auto from the 2.8 on the v8 and you'll have a much much better truck.
My 2021 hikux has had one timing chain tensioner and timing chain replaced under warranty already at around 90,000kms. Now just clocked over 140,000 and it has started again. That being said ive never has any reliability issues or anything else go wrong.
@TeamBulletOffroad it wouldn't have been more than 3-4 seconds on cold start. They obviously didn't offer to do it without me pushing a little but they didn't really fight it. There was no stock of timing chains at the time so I had to bring it back about a month later.
Im looking forward to this 4 banger review. Im not one bit surprised I hope you have secretly stored your old V8 somewhere. These 2.8L simply cannot handle what blokes do with these trucks.
@@BennyLC79 it’s not detailed just get to hear the rattle Will be a follow up I’m sure More about overloading it with weight and showcasing parabolic Sorry to disappoint
@@TeamBulletOffroad Nice. All cars have issues My LC79 is a 2022 and no tow bar. Its my work truck. I plan to build it when I got $$ but for now it is stock with boxes and a dog cage. Toyota had to replace gear box throwout bearing @ 20,000 km
@ Yes half that come out of factory are bad, but because 90% put new clutches in early to deal with all the new tunes Toyota really got away with that quite easily...
The 2.8 is a PoS mate, the only reason the 2.8 got introduced is because of emission and combined fleet consumption government mandates, this is a terrible reason to replace a tried and tested 4.5.
Every time I see the 2.8 Cruiser it makes me so happy I decided to buy a Fuso Truck instead 😂 Hats off to anyone running the Gauntlet with these things.
@@TeamBulletOffroad wouldn't think the difference would be that much but you have a dpf and other things mine is "missing" a lot of stuff newer ones have and a bit more
If that's your definition of a stretched timing chain you need to drive other cars. If you have a problem take it back to Toyota. Can we stop with this outage bait videos please?
Hang on, so winding the boost pressure up to kingdom come isn't a good thing? Trying to extract v8 power out of a 4 cylinder isn't just a mad experiment in trying to meet emission standards? Shocking
Gday Denny, loving the videos. 1GD is a very good engine but has a flawed timing chain arrangement and unfortunately all Toyota do to ‘fix’ is refit a new timing chain kit which is all the same part numbers and they eventually start making the noise again. engine care has a good video on the matter with some fixes if you ever tackle the job yourself ua-cam.com/video/uPFYlLiYQ68/v-deo.htmlsi=ldLQarJh8_LPsALp Any audible noise is the beginning of excessive wear, I don’t care what anyone says. I’ve had a couple of commodores as daily drives and holden had tensioner issues with their alloytec engine, but they redesigned the tensioner so you only had to replace it once. One of my alloytecs just about wore through a chain guide which would’ve been a complete failure and that engine in the skip. Take care
@ all good mate. Just drive it and enjoy it for now. But something to keep in the back of your mind if you end up opening her up. Look forward to the next vid as always. Cheers, Josh
It’s the transmission that’s better for a lot of applications, not the engine. Everyone goes on about the 2.8 vs the 4.5 but the difference is really the transmission.
Put a 6 speed auto behind the v8 and ,,,,
But I like my 5 speed manual in the bush.
U can buy a 2.8 manual now. No one’s done a comparison test yet of real world driving between the two
i totally agree with you! toyota should have offered an automatic gearbox why not ZF 8 speeds for example! its a well knowned and reliable unit.
It’s just the lower chain (not the main one) has an oil pressure fed tensioner. It’s just not tensioned tight before the oil pressure picks up. More of a sound than a big issue
Yes ive watched a few videos and see what you mean, thanks for the comment
Not something you need before a big lap th hrough
Mate people who think the 2.8 is better than the v8 are delusional. Even the v8 diesel in the 200 is better than the v6 in the 300
I’d go back to my 1HZ coil spring front troopy. But that’s not going to happen so might as well accept that the 2.8 is it. Currently own a v8 troopy and I really don’t think it’s that special
Facts
@@dgs0011 why aren't you enjoying th V8 Troopy mate? Just curious more than anything.
@ it’s not that I’m not enjoying it, it’s more the location of the alternator, the added complexity of a turbo engine, a flat panel filter vs a cylindrical one. Paper filter elements vs spin on metal filters . No advantage in fuel consumption for some gains in performance , wider front track , which I’ve corrected with a trutrack. I’m a rusted on Toyota owner but I’m not at all impressed with the VDJ
@ thanks
Great watch !
Certainly brings out the circling vultures to pick at the 2.8.
Its not dead yet 🎉
😂
@@lynblisso2880 it will.. thanks for commenting
This a common fault with a 2.8 and Toyota will warrant the repair. Not a big deal some people don’t even bother fixing it.
Still impressed with the 2.8s
Got a lot of customers with mine spec 2.8s absolutely rattling their head off but they still keep chugging.
Rob, yes still very impressed with it, thanks for your comment mate.
Love my V8😀
Always late in a 2.8!
Ive been listening to these engines in the hilux for years with the start up rattle , they do it before service and after service . That cant get instant oil pressure . If the chain tensioner was spring loaded then it wouldnt have any noise .
Question is why doesn't it do it from new.. Somethings wearing yes?
I took my 2023 sr5 in to suss out the noise. They kept car over night did a cold start in the morning. If it last longer then 30 seconds on cold start or if it’s constant at idling that’s when they replace it. Mine goes away after 5 seconds.
The service manager and the boys told me yes they can get noisy timing chains and they replaced quite a few but no one has ever seen the timing chain go bang yet. It’s just a 2.8 thing diesel things.
Only got 5 years on the warranty though for a known issue
@@joshuaschubert6276 I won’t be going to Toyota. I’ll open up the beast myself
F….
@@lukeneavethey definitely do them goodwill out of warrenty have seen it many times
@ I’d hope so
Big job?
Got my 24 Hilux in at Toyota currently getting the chain done, made a constant tick on cold start, the Forman mechanic tried to flog me off saying it was just diesel noise. Argued it and they agreed to replace it.
Not sure what makes my skin crawl more… those blokes driving their cars through the salt water up to their doors, or 4 cylinder automatic landcruisers
@@mrsbradpittiful hahahaha
Remember when they did this in the 70s 80s especially in Holden's that pissy little 4 in the LX Torana with that annoying carb you put the foot down and didn't go any faster
@ I remember alright....
lol!!!! the giant mercedes sprinter van has a 2l turbo diesel engine and it does very well with that what do you even want?!
Aah yes
The Sunbird.@@Dale-q5c
I see a lot of 1gd hilux's/prados at work, 95% of them have that cold start chail rattle, evan new ones, haven't seen one fail yet though
Cheers Hayden...
Very common with 1GDs. We've been through atleast 3-4 different bulitins in NZ on hiluxs, prados etc. Lucky im pretty sure the 70 doesn't have the balance shafts like hiace and prado that grenade the motor.
So far Toyota NZ have experimented with billet sprockets instead of cintered metal, different gear profiles etc. But they still seem to rattle, especially with long service intervals. The chains do stretch and tend to bow out.
Haven't seen anything related to the 70 specifically, Toyota might look at it depends if your local guy is friendly
Thanks for the info, will see what the dealer says, will send him an email..
Timing chains rattle, they stretch and bed in.
Everyones use to quiet belts
I hear the point your saying.. Cheers
Take it to the dealer inside 5k of the waranty expiration to maximise the overall value. This assumes it remains a light rattle on startup and doesn't worsen.
Yes great advice, thanking you..
Mine has done over 50000km now and just noticing the rattle on start up
It gets worse, mine last a couple seconds now
I just can't see it being as good long term. Its got more net zero crap on it and its under a lot more stress than the big v8. Sounds crap too. Which is the main thing 🤣. I think put the auto from the 2.8 on the v8 and you'll have a much much better truck.
Agree X2 Auto in the VDJ and id be in 1... Does sound crap alright!
Thought this was about timing chain rattle?
My 2021 hikux has had one timing chain tensioner and timing chain replaced under warranty already at around 90,000kms.
Now just clocked over 140,000 and it has started again.
That being said ive never has any reliability issues or anything else go wrong.
How bad and for how long was the rattle at 90k before they did 1st one please
@TeamBulletOffroad it wouldn't have been more than 3-4 seconds on cold start.
They obviously didn't offer to do it without me pushing a little but they didn't really fight it.
There was no stock of timing chains at the time so I had to bring it back about a month later.
@@jamiearcuri6445 Ok thanks for the info...
Just don't buy a LandCruiser at all and you won't be disappointed haha
Im looking forward to this 4 banger review. Im not one bit surprised I hope you have secretly stored your old V8 somewhere.
These 2.8L simply cannot handle what blokes do with these trucks.
@@BennyLC79 it’s not detailed just get to hear the rattle
Will be a follow up I’m sure
More about overloading it with weight and showcasing parabolic
Sorry to disappoint
Isn’t there a fix for chain now
@@TeamBulletOffroad
Nice. All cars have issues
My LC79 is a 2022 and no tow bar. Its my work truck. I plan to build it when I got $$ but for now it is stock with boxes and a dog cage.
Toyota had to replace gear box throwout bearing @ 20,000 km
@ Havnt looked into it properly yet... What have you heard Luke?
@ Yes half that come out of factory are bad, but because 90% put new clutches in early to deal with all the new tunes Toyota really got away with that quite easily...
The 2.8 is a PoS mate, the only reason the 2.8 got introduced is because of emission and combined fleet consumption government mandates, this is a terrible reason to replace a tried and tested 4.5.
Every time I see the 2.8 Cruiser it makes me so happy I decided to buy a Fuso Truck instead 😂
Hats off to anyone running the Gauntlet with these things.
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40 k and noisy timing chain. 80 k new motor?
Without maintenance.... Maybe!
Did you widen your diff?
Got neg 50 rear offset rims
@TeamBulletOffroad is that why you need to do wheel bearings at 40k kms
its normal
What happened to the ' guess the weight ' post on FB.
Winner was announced in a follow up video on there...
My V8 single cab is only 2600kg... I did wash all the mud out of the rails maybe that helped
Haha, yes the single cabs are lighter...
@@TeamBulletOffroad wouldn't think the difference would be that much but you have a dpf and other things mine is "missing" a lot of stuff newer ones have and a bit more
Don’t they have a timing belt?
No
@@codasinmurry chain mate, actually 2 of them
You just need to wear it in...
If that's your definition of a stretched timing chain you need to drive other cars. If you have a problem take it back to Toyota. Can we stop with this outage bait videos please?
Why would it need a transmission service at 40k?
Smart, works it hard, prevention maintenance ❤❤
Because he has a brain!
Thanks Rob..
Luke, yes it works damn hard, not many of our long trips has it not got something in tow, 40k will be the periodic service interval for it mate..
Any auto should have a service at 40k and if there worked hard that should be 20k. Early service on an auto box is wisdom from experience.
Hang on, so winding the boost pressure up to kingdom come isn't a good thing? Trying to extract v8 power out of a 4 cylinder isn't just a mad experiment in trying to meet emission standards? Shocking
Hahahaha....
Gday Denny, loving the videos.
1GD is a very good engine but has a flawed timing chain arrangement and unfortunately all Toyota do to ‘fix’ is refit a new timing chain kit which is all the same part numbers and they eventually start making the noise again. engine care has a good video on the matter with some fixes if you ever tackle the job yourself
ua-cam.com/video/uPFYlLiYQ68/v-deo.htmlsi=ldLQarJh8_LPsALp
Any audible noise is the beginning of excessive wear, I don’t care what anyone says. I’ve had a couple of commodores as daily drives and holden had tensioner issues with their alloytec engine, but they redesigned the tensioner so you only had to replace it once. One of my alloytecs just about wore through a chain guide which would’ve been a complete failure and that engine in the skip.
Take care
Thanks for the comment, enjoyed the read.. Yes I have seen their clip on the issues with the 1GD, very clever fix too... Add it to my list you think?
@ all good mate. Just drive it and enjoy it for now. But something to keep in the back of your mind if you end up opening her up. Look forward to the next vid as always. Cheers, Josh
My 500xxx gq TD 42 sounds less rattley
Hahahaha
Mine has 130 and sounds worse
6 in a row ready to tow 8 in a V as easy as can be 4 in a row always needing a tow Simple Math For all U 2.8 Transcruiser owners
😂😂😂 muppet
Stop buying overpriced rubbish Toyotas they were reliable when other brands were still learning now they’ve been able assed by everyone
Overpriced ? These are cheap to buy
Not for a glorified shit riding tractor theyre not
@@markuswilmes3694 I see, you’re broke and you’re a hater, what interests you in this video ?
Broke lol I had one for 3 months never buy Toyota again
@ you haven’t answered my question? What brings a broke Toyota hater to watching vids about Toyotas? Bit strange don’t you think ?
All 2.8 get lol. first thing that I was saying that people soon as I seen the shit box engines in them.. the 2.8 are absolutely junk
@@CraigAlexander-m9l Big call that mate. To put your name to that comment. Unless your An oversight engineer to Toyota
I’ll take the 2.8 over my old v8 any day