You think EV charging in 2024 is bad? Lets look back a decade...
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- My recent experience in a Polestar 2 has reignited a debate about charging infrastructire. So many of us Just Get A Tesla because we know Tesla charging is good. But for other brands it still causes lots of complaints.
I had an EV back in 2014, where the real world range was 70 miles and chargers were in very small numbers. In this video I look back a decade into my SpeakEV forum comments, describing just how bad it was in those pioneering days.
A bit of context for your experiences in 2024...
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I joined the EV club in 2021 and even then often 2 chargers at a location. Many chargers didn't work, but usually after calling the number on the side, they did. It was a pain, but nowadays there are generally multiple chargers and even if those are busy, plenty more are usually now available within a mile.
Been driving Tesla since 2012. We had NO chargers! Stopped at camp grounds, welders, anything we could find to Travel in the US.
Very entertaining video put a smile on my face 👍
I started my EV journey with a Leaf 24 in January 2015. One of my most interesting journeys was driving to Devon from South London. It was 210 miles each way. It took us 7 hours and 7 charging stops. The battery was definitely warm! However, I have stuck with EV’s ever since. Ecotricity charging for using their often unreliable chargers was a game changer because you could generally stop and not wait long for a charge. I totally agree that we have never had it as good as we do now. The only rapid chargers were the Ecotricity ones at almost every service station - just one or two if you were lucky, plus the occasional Nissan Dealer or their head office at Maple Cross and Ikea. That was it. Nothing anywhere else, apart from destination chargers. Now I have recently bought a 3 year old model 3 and have access to the excellent Supercharger network.
You were braver that I was 🫣
Great video
I have a journey planned in MG4 to Berlin and back in January, taking the ionity passort at just 11quid to get 43p/kwh and plenty available. Simply fast charging now is no issue at all, just needs education
People that complain about charging in 2024 don't drive EV's. I drive a E-golf with a wltp of 230km (200 real) And I drove 1150km to the south of france without any issues. Yes it's slow. But no issues.
Having said that, I just ordered my model 3 a couple of weeks ago. 😊
Some people were suggesting things were still this bad in 2022.
Fortunately, things were vastly improved when I first visited in my Leaf in May of that year.
I didn't experience any significant problems until I tried to charge at Cambridge services on a bank Holiday Friday lunchtime. Dozens of EVs queuing to charge.
Even then I found a few Pod Point chargers within 5 minutes drive, which were available, due to not being shown in the Zap Map app.
All in all a pretty good experience.
And from what I see on UA-cam, things have again vastly improved in the last two years.
As recently as 2020 can remember the single CPS rapid in Fraserburgh being blocked by an Outlander abandoned on it - for several hours.
At the time nearest other "working" rapid was Ellon.
That was while still waiting for my home charger.
And the problem with sunning ChaDeMo on an Outlander is that the computer is very sensitive to being fiddled with. We e-stopped units to unplug Nissan Renault cars as they are ok. Outlander? Too easy to brick the car. I rapid charged my 2015 Outlander a few times when it was free vend and nobody was waiting. The 2018 one? Only once for nostalgia reasons…
@@justgetatesla it was there a few times. I would just use the AC to get enough to get home. Not fast. Never used E-stop on an "in use" charger. Sounds like that's just as well.
Charging got much easier when I got my home charger and much quicker when Tesla Aberdeen opened.
I got a PHEV in 2022, my first charge was at a motorway services, on an AC charger obviously. But from that point on I took close notice of charging provision. And even in those 2 ans a bit years things have changed massively. That first charge was at Blyth services and there there was 2x Type 2 and I think 2x 50kW they are still there in fact. But now you also have another 24 chargers split between Tesla and Gridserve. (Although the Tesla is not open to all which IMO should be illegal at MSAs but that is a different topic)
I started with a Renault Zoe with 22 KW battery and AC charging.
It was interesting because the rapid chargers in NE Scotland were slower than the 22Kwh fast charger.Power supply issues.
Nowadays an old 22 KW Zoe would work ok because hardly anyone uses AC 22Kwh.
In 2021 we still had free charging on many ChargePlace Scotland chargers and I used to try to charge my Mini Cooper S E at the 2 hubs in Stirling. Often the down town hub would have 5 Kia’s from the local dealership plugged in all day on the 5 x 50kW chargers when there was a whole load of 22kW and 7kW chargers not being used. I found out that those cars never had the charger cable locked into the car (at completion of charging it would unlock automatically) and I would drive up onto the wide pavement behind the chargers in my Mini and plug in. More than once I had a very angry person from the Kia dealership come and tell me I wasn’t to touch their cars while they were charging so I pointed out that the car has a display in the charge port that shows if it is still taking charge and there is a light on the dispenser that is blue when charging and turns green when it’s available (never told them that they should enable the cable locking device too). As soon as CPS started to charge for electricity and limited the time to 40 minutes stay on a 50kW unit then £1 a minute overstay we never saw another Kia there, in fact these days most times you can just arrive and it’s a heavy use day if there are 2 cars on the 5 “Fast” chargers - folks use the 7 and 22kW chargers that are not time limited (but still darned expensive) if they are going shopping. I think most EV owners now use way cheaper home charging or have a sufficiently large battery that they don’t need to sit on a charger for hours just to get back home! Even my little Mini with 28kW hiding in its battery could make the 32 miles round trip home/ shops/ home without needing to top up, even in the depths of winter it could make the trip twice but I never turned down a free charge when I was paying to charge at home! Now I have a car with a 64kWh battery I’ve used public chargers 3 times in the last year on a road trip south and rarely charge above 60% at home as well but at least it now only costs me 7p/kW to do that and I can probably go 10 days without charging if I were to charge higher but I drive it to town and plug it in when I get home and take it back to 65%. I’ll be travelling to Edinburgh for the weekend soon and that is all of a 110 mile round trip so I’ll take it to 80% for the trip to give some motorway speed/ cold wet weather margin just in case.
Another thing with the Zoe,is that I re-discovered towns in Scotland that were bypassed but had chargers at 22 kWh.Brechin,Forfar ,Blairgowrie and Kirriemuir to name but a few.Once you got used to the charging rate and the limited range it was ok.Always have a Plan B in case of charger issues.Never got the golden tow truck award but came pretty close when Plan B,C,and Z failed.
Now it's a piece of cake.
I also avoided the Golden Tow Truck award. Wifey wasn’t so lucky…
Had a 30kWh Tekna from 2016-2018. Furthest from home I went was Lancaster (from Glasgow), and biggest day was around 300 miles. That was 5 rapid charges and no need for heated seats that evening - the heat was coming up from the battery.
Mmmmm toasty 🔥
Looking at your old leaf on the MOT gov site, its had abit of a harsh life of late. I'm sure its had 3-4 battery replacements also right?
At least 10!
Why is there no cash slot on electric car chargers?
"...rather than just getting a Tesla." haha he said The Thing!!
I have got a Peugeot E2008 allure trim 2024 and a nissan leaf tekna 2023 and going to Cornwall next year
EV's blocking chargers after they are full, or, even worse, those with 'really' slow on board chargers (like the BYD) leave their cars over night. I've seen one at 10.5 hours, and was STILL not full ! There is a sneaky way to get around them, but I don't want the owner of the shopping centre to wake up to this 'hack'...
Ian do you record any charging speeds ie the max KW the chargers put out during your travels as we've just completed our first long trip in our MY from Somerset to Cumbria & back and used 3 superchargers on our round trip but i was a bit disappointed in the max power the chargers were kicking out, the car was preconditioned on each charge with about 30% soc before charging:
Keele services V2 chargers 63kw max (busy saturday all chargers in use)
Tebay (V3 or 4?) 163kw max (monday lunchtime about 50% chargers in use)
Frankley services (v4) 154kw (saturday but not busy maybe 30% chargers in use)
I'd be interested in what other people are getting out of them and if anyone gets close to the max they are supposed to be capable of.
Max speed depends on all kinds of conditions- state of charge, battery temperature, performance of the charger stall. I’ve seen 252kW max speed - very briefly. More relevant is how long it stays at that speed. A v2 stall maxed out at 147kW for a decent period is still a quick charge
My first EV was a 2014 Acenta, mine definitely had a heat pump as do all made in Sunderland Leafs, I always got 70 miles for the first charge then every 50 miles thereafter on a long journey. looking at the MOT history of your old car it looks like its off road with lots of corrosion of the brakes!
Can relate with some of the points. But having an 2014 Tekna Leaf with 250.000km, and still 70% SOH, charging to 100% on AC has never been an issue or lead to "massive" battery degradation.
You may be the exception. 24kWh packs with massive degradation is a well documented fact
Accenta had a heatpump along with Tekna.
The visa didn't have a heat pump.
Thanks! It was a long time ago. It didn’t make much of a difference though - a big drop in range with the heating and / or AC on
Channel idea. Do some kind of contest for someone's else's referral code be shown on the channel.
Good for new buyers and good for regular viewers 😊
Interesting 😏
A local council here had free charging on their rapids and a taxi company decided to change their fleet to mostly electric. They created a system for themselves to charge for free, relay charging their vehicles (so one would finish, another would then move into the bay) - they ended up ruining it for everyone as that council then slapped heavy charge costs on their rapid chargers to deter that anti social behaviour. There'll always be selfish idiots ruining it for the regular behaving majority.
Free charging is a classic example of ‘tragedy of the commons’
Too many people are greedy and selfish and can’t be trusted
This is why we can’t have nice things
Hi guy just bought my first Tesla long range battery (389miles)
Sadly my land owners don't allow me to install 7.5kw charger and I drive a lot around 800miles per week however I still spend around 12: 13 hour at home do you think I can survive with a granny charger (2.5kwh) I am I'm living near London do I require any permission from landlord to use this charger at home?.
Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge and experience. 🤝
Why not try the Tesla Mobile Connector (granny charger) first and see how you get on?
“Just got a Tesla” Ian, or rather in December anyway. Sorry I couldn’t use your referral as it was expired.
Congratulations! Yeah my referral code is full for the rest of 2024…
Well I almost got a Tesla but went for another petrol Audi instead 😆 I still enjoy the video's though. Happy motoring all 😄
@@Richard_Barnes noooooooooooooooooo
@@kash748 😆it has been a dream car of mine for a lot of years, so whilst I have the chance, I had to have it. 'YOLO' and all that.
lol .. I literally bidded on one, went provisional, then changed my mind and bought a 2014 diesel 😂.
@@mekekeli9354 enjoy whilst we can eh 👍🏻I am doing mine.
Do you own a Mk1 Leaf in 2024?
No
@@justgetatesla Well there is an experiment worth testing. Ten years ago, Leafs,Zoes,i3s and Model S’ were about all there was to choose from. Rural Leaf Guy, James Cooke and a few niche stragglers represented EV ownership on UA-cam. Ranges were 130miles on a very good day and that easily dropped to 50-80 in Winter. Charger networks were Tesla and not a lot else. So for old times’ sake and a bit of a jolly, maybe use your influence to get a Mk1 leaf and run it on the current charging networks? What say you?
What a rediculious premice, things are either good or they are bad, just because things were worst 10 yrs ago doesnt make them good now, they are still bad. where i live, my wifes journey to work its 100 mile 1 way trip, there are no chargers on the route she takes for 88 miles of it. What your saying is been stabbed is better than been shot, No the last time I looked, they are both bad
Whilst I agree that charging today isn’t perfect, it is better. Even the example you gave - easy to do 200 miles round trip without charging - many choices of EV. Go back a decade and there were minimal options
Bit of an edge case that. Not many will commute for between four and five hours per day. My eNiro could cope with that without stopping, not sure I could. Stay safe.