Ghost in the Shell (1995) | MOVIE REACTION
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2022
- We checked out this unusual Japanese animation cyberpunk themed film. Very enjoyable and fascinating experience!
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If you were wondering why the place had so much Mandarin written around the place. This movie takes place in HK. The reason why she looks naked when she goes invisible is that the invisible suit is skin tight. The term Ghost means soul, in the sense that because in that futuristic setting, many people switch to artificial bodies but they keep the brain. Now which begs the question, if you change bodies, what about your soul? Hence, you're a Ghost in a Shell. If you missed the bit in 13:41 , the fat guy was in the room when she killed the guy in the beginning of the movie.
@nami1239 "The Ship of Theseus?"
It doesn't take place in Hong Kong. The creators of the anime went to Hong Kong and basically copied the environments because, as they've said, Hong Kong looked and felt like a futuristic Japan. So the movie actually takes place in a non-specified country but, yeah, visually it's very much Hong Kong.
Ghost in the shell 2 and the ghost in the shell tv show, Stand Alone Complex, are also really worth diving into. The tv show unsurprisingly goes more in depth on the members of section 9 and what their personalities are like. And a part of the reason why motoko is always naked is because her body is entirely synthetic and she doesn't necessarily have any real connection to it. It's just a tool she uses. Batou is really the only person who still sees her as a woman and is always covering her up afterwards.
I actually thought the 2nd movie was a low point of the whole franchise followed by the individual 11.
Of course i'm one of the few people i know of that thinks the newer stuff is really good.
@@macker33 the OVAs and SAC movie to me doesn't match up at all to Innocence
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Part of the reason she probably feels that way is because she was given a cyberbody as a child after a terrible accident. After that she was essentially a lab rat and moved from body to body as she aged. The body thing was hard enough, but being treated like a specimen not a person no doubt also did a lot of damage. Somit probably would be hard to take a body as seriously as most when you changed from so many and realized it was just a machine.
Kind of like the SAC espisode with the man with the sickly body who wanted a cyberbody.
yes the matrix was inspired this. if you look into any of the behind the scenes making of stuff they mention it.
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the legendary Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (GitS:SAC) anime (or read the manga), tackles the concept of "identity/self and of life", are "you", just a bunch physiological electrical-chemical signals and etc, or is there a "soul" to organisms, something beyond the physical body, what is life, what is self, what is identity
the main theme is that since you can be uploaded/downloaded into anything that is electronic:
one day, you're a (cyberized) adult man, another day, you're a (cyberized) adult woman, another day, you're a (cyberized) little boy, another day, a (cyberized) little girl, another day, you're a (cyberized) old man, another day you're a (cyberized) old woman, another day, you're a (cyberized) male dog, another day, you're a (cyberized) female dog, another day, you're a car, another day you're a boat, another day, you're an airplane, another day, you're a trash can, another day, you're a toaster oven, another day, you're a building, another day, you're a tv, etc etc etc
(obviously, when anyone and everyone can be anything and everything, that has huge implications on what we know of as laws and taboo in our not-yet-futuristic world, think of the massive implications in regards to sexuality... you should be able to understand on your own, laughs. Age, Sex, etc physical identities, no longer has any meaning, when your physical existence can be anything with electronics, via uploading/downloading your "soul/ghost/self/identity/life" into it)
first, there's the issue of "rejection"... whether a brain implanted into a machine (cyborg) and/or joining/merging of the organic brain with the inorganic brain: "cyber brain sclerosis", or even just with your thoughts/memories/etc being uploaded/downloaded into a computer/machine... will there be "rejection" by "you" into the new foreign body...
second, how would you not go crazy... lol
third, how can you have any concept of identity, when you can anything you want to be, yet you're nothing at all, you can't say you are anything, because at any moment you can be something else, you have no physical identity
would you still have the concept of "you, of yourself", if you don't have a concept of "self", can the mind/brain handle that? or does it require a concept of "self"...
in Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, at least in section 9, they handle the "identity crisis" with extreme workaholic-ness, as was said famously in Batman Begins movie: "It's not who you are, it's what you do", though, the characters still struggle with their "identity crisis", regardless, a lingering sense of trying to have/remember their selves, of "who they are and who they were"... not merely "what they do"...
fourth, this gets into the whole "human rights" issues... do machines have human rights? What's a non-sentient machine vs what's a sentient machine? what's a machine vs what's a human?
Also, with people so heavily cyberized, murderers can merely claim they had bought a defective body part (or that they got hacked), and be found not guilty in a criminal trial... there's so many applications/consequences of an ever more cyberized world
lastly, with mass inter-connected-ness of everyone being uploaded to the "net", everyone's mind connected with everyone's mind, you lose your own individuality, though a "super structure" new consciousness also gets created as well...
(also, a copy is never as good as the original, there's always a loss of quality/data whenever you copy something, the original can never be replaced, there's no such thing as true/perfect/100% copying, there's no such thing as a copy, there's always one and only one, original, it can never be duplicated)
it's quite a fascinated philosophical topic, lol
Another detail from 'The Professionals' is the agents boss; the older man with grey hair equates to Bodie and Doyle's boss 'Cowley', a Scotsman who in the 1980s could say 'I was fighting fascism in Spain when you were a look in the milkman's eye, Bodie'.
Being old and insulting all at once.
The Wachowskis showed producer Joel Silver Ghost in the Shell and said we want to do this in live action. 😊
Masamune Shirow's original manga sets GITS in a city familiar from his earlier manga like Dominion Tank Police, Appleseed or even Black Magic M66.
It's a future city variously called 'New Port' or similar in English, and it's a hybrid Japanese / Chinese city on the coast of a desert or an ocean, with numerous other ethnic nods as well.
Probably inspired by Hong Kong.
His Inspiration for stories, according the the author in interviews published in English translations of those comics, was a British TV series called 'CI5: The Professionals' from the 1980s that was shown in Japan in dubbed form when he was a teenager.
One episode of The Professionals was actually adapted in Appleseed complete, where an assassin smuggles an advanced rifle into the city hidden in a vehicle to carry out an assassination from a high floor in an apartment block many miles from the target.
The main characters were 'Bodie' and 'Doyle', one of which survives as 'Batou', a Japanese reading of the French 'Bateau' or 'Boatie' in English, as in someone who works on boats.
If you're looking for more character development, and you enjoyed the film, then you should definitely check out the series.
I was really surprised when you guessed MFA, sharp.
It’s way more serious then the manga. One of the stories of the manga also deals with the Puppet Master but there’s also other cases Section 6 are working.
The manga just has more comedy and less existential dread from the Major, there’s also the Tachikoma’s who are sentient vehicles that have somewhat child like personalities, they appear in the SAC series and the Netflix show. Essentially each version is a bit different but always shows the world through the eyes of the Major and her work with Section 6.
This whole world is Cyberpunk. The aesthetic of this world is High Tech and low life smooched all together. Section 9 is a sub-section of the national police they handle everything that has to do with cyber-crime. The series dives more into it over its entire run and the other movies. The females you see processing the info are all or for the most part robots or cyborgs. The idea of the Ghost is their conscience or soul depending how you look at it. The whole concept questions what is real and your individuality and humanity. Philip K. Dick did the same thing in his books and short stories.
GitS Stand Alone Complex(2002-2005), delves more into the, characters personal lives, but with a separate, continuity from other adaptations.
Motoko was described as having a cyberbody that appeared to be an "off the shelf" model so she could blend in with the background. Inside she was as advanced as Section 9 could provide, complete with plastic explosive filler/padding, in case she was ever captured or killed.
Oh, Matrix did mostly just rip off decades of (Japanese) cyberpunk. Cyberpunk literature started in the 80es as a kind of contrast to the more optimistic "space age" stories (many other genres, like comics, also turned darker/more pessimistic at the time). Japanese cyberpunk had its roots in B-horror and exploitation films, but because Japanese was seen as the world's futuristic technological leader at the time, it is assumed as such in many Western works and 90es Japanese writers fully embraced this trope. Many of Matrix's ideas INCLUDING the name "matrix" for a global virtual reality, come from previous well-established works. (The "hacker" who dives in and out of a virtual world (sometimes with the use of cybernetic implants) is the hero of many cyberpunk stories - naturally, as this era coincided with the rise of the internet and small personal computers.))
Yes, The Matrix was inspired (also) by this anime.
The manga can go infinity deeper than the movie. The story in the movie is quite truncated, and delicious concepts and philosophies are difficult to thoroughly present in 80 minutes. Especially that the manga can run multiple dialogues and narratives simultaneously (especially in GitS 2 "Man Machine Interface").
I'd recommend watching the series (stand alone complex) and/or the animated movie "Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence"
the scarlet joe movie i would not recommend, they kinda tried to jam 3 plot lines from the series and animated movies into 1 and kinda makes it a mess of the story lines. 😅😅😅
Hope you enjoy!
I like the way the Major always questions her own personality. When she gets an idea, it's a "whisper in her ghost". Always questioning whether she's a real person or just a memory imprint.
In he 2017 movie, it specifically shows that when she's trying to break into the tank's hatch, she was hacked to make her motors exceed her structural limitations, tearing herself apart.
This movie doesn't go into the question of where her human brain came from, but it's a major plot of the 2017 movie. In this one, we could think it was like "Robocop" where a cop or soldier injured/all but killed in duty is "salvaged". IDK if the manga or the "SAC" anime series goes into her origin story.
I don't know how much if any of this movie was computer animated. They were doing a little of it even back then, but like the earlier Neon Genesis stories and all Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli films were all hand-made animation.
Cyberpunk. Not Steam. Its another much beloved genre by a certain nerd type(such as myself). I had the pleasure of seeing this in a tired, old, alternative movie theatre on a rainy weekday back in '96. This was the kind of movie that was an utter joy and sort of private treasure only available to those who looked through your local town's free newspaper. There were maybe three people in the theatre. Anyway, you nailed it with Blade Runner. Also a Cyberpunk masterpiece. This genre was fairly new and not mainstream at all at that point. Blade Runner, Akira, and a slew of B-movies and great books existed at the time that this was released(in 95). But this was an immediate showstopper for those who loved the genre.
16:00 notice the glowing halo around the puppet master. It’s immaculate birth on the internet is the second coming.
Such a fantastic film - really evocative setting, beautiful art and music!
can't wait when you see the second movie
You should definitely watch the sequel to this too, _Innocence_ (which was released in 2004). This is of course a classic that introduces the themes and philosophy, but the sequel really delves into it, and the animation is superb, even rivaling (and surpassing, if you ask me) most of what comes out these days. It's one of the best animated films of all time for sure.
About Nudity.
I think that we have lived within our own modern system of common sense for too long that we forget that at fundamental level, there is no such thing as nudity.
Many people see boobs, naked body and many more, but aren't they just the features of a human body? What 's so special about them that we need to censor them in a movie that debate what human is. The naked human body is just a part of the body which is soft and hard tissues arranged in a way to prolong vital biological functions. The naked human body is just one thing that defines a human. There is also soul. This movie places a setting where even fundamental elements of a human like the constituents of the body, the experience, the memories can be manipulated from mechanical advancement. In this setting, what can we use to define what human is when all the traditional and modern proof (ghost) are proven to be susceptible to replication and manipulation.
Check out Patlabor 1 and 2. (The movies)
Seeing how you enjoyed this movie, I recommend that you check out Perfect Blue. It's a psychological thriller that can sometimes be hard to watch but simply amazing none the less.
the movie is WAAAAAY BETTER than the manga
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Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (GitS:SAC), is the anime of the legendary Ghost in the Shell manga (the origin of The Matrix trilogy movies: a lot in the matrix came-plagerized from Ghost in the Shell)
Ghost in the Shell was insanely researched by the mangaka (like nobel prize level research), many fields of science, and etc, to give us the most realistic future world of all time, and also it even foresaw many things that are happening in our real world too, and likely a lot more things too will come true as well... and this is why it is...
arguably the #1 BEST anime (and manga) of all time
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season 1: Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
opening (season 1): ua-cam.com/video/QxkMzn4et2U/v-deo.html (this is not the anime animation itself, they were just showing off for this opening, laughs)
season 2: Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex: 2nd Gig
opening (season 2): ua-cam.com/video/YQIqgxeNtl0/v-deo.html (this opening's animation is more similar to the animation of the anime itself)
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there's also two special single episode ovas: the laughing man and the individual eleven, but I've not seen them, so I don't know if they're prequels for each season or what, meh:
Koukaku_Kidoutai_STAND_ALONE_COMPLEX_The_Laughing_Man
Koukaku_Kidoutai_SAC_2nd_GIG_Individual_Eleven
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but, then there was this failure:
Koukaku_Kidoutai_Stand_Alone_Complex_-_Solid_State_Society
we thought we were getting a 3rd season of GitS:SAC.... NOPE, just 1 fkn episode, lol, and it was krappy too
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people who don't know anything about Ghost in the Shell, think that the animated films of it, is Ghost in the Shell, but they're not, again, GitS:SAC is the anime of the legendary Ghost in the Shell manga.
The animated films (the one in this vid: Ghost in the Shell: there's been many re-make versions of it, and Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence):
Koukaku_Kidoutai
Koukaku_Kidoutai_2__Innocence
are known/"popular" because at the time they came out, their graphics were way far ahead of their time, and wowed everyone across the world
Unfortunately, this caused everyone who doesn't know Ghost in the Shell, to think that these 2 animated movies are the anime versions of Ghost in the Shell manga, which they are not.
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and then of course we got the krappy scarlet johansen hollywood movie... that had a few elements from GitS:SAC as well as most of it based upon the animated movie, but completely got it all wrong... this is why it's hated by us who know Ghost in the Shell
(Ghost in the Shell is THEE most scientific work of all time, science/physics/computing/sociology/politics-world-events/philosophy/psychology/economics/etc, the author researched everything extensively, and a lot of it is coming true in the real world, which is fkn crazy, and why its legendary, one of the greatest works of all time)
(But when you got bimbo hollywood, they don't get that at all, so what do they make: let's just show off scarlet johansen's sexy body in as close as we can get to nakedness, a near transparent tight-body-hugging latex suit, ya, that's what fkn Ghost in the Shell is all fkn about... hollywood fkn embarrasses and shames the rest of humanity)
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then there's was a newer, more modern, "anime series" done, a 4 part OVA:
Ghost in the Shell: Arise
Koukaku_Kidoutai_Arise__Ghost_in_the_Shell_-_Border_1_Ghost_Pain
Koukaku_Kidoutai_Arise__Ghost_in_the_Shell_-_Border_2_Ghost_Whispers
Koukaku_Kidoutai_Arise__Ghost_in_the_Shell_-_Border_3_Ghost_Tears
Koukaku_Kidoutai_Arise__Ghost_in_the_Shell_-_Border_4_Ghost_Stands_Alone
which was pretty good for what it was
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and currently, they're trying to reboot GitS yet again with:
GITS: SAC_2045 (anime seasons and a movie of the anime seasons)
the anime is okay... not horrible but not great either... had potential... but they kinda dropped the ball with it...
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highly recommend and would love to reaction to the anime series (GitS:SAC, 52 episodes in total, 26 episodes for each of its 2 seasons), sometime in the future, as this is one of the legendary (best of the best) animes of all time, and GitS:SAC is the anime version of the legendary GitS manga (not the crappy old animated movies), but it's become pretty forgotten and/or unknown now in today's time. The first season is a bit more slow/boring as it deals a bit more with the philosophy, science, spirituality, and etc stuff, but towards the end, the action really picks up for some really good $hit, and the second season goes totally fkn epic, global world wide scale, tons of action, and huge story/plot and plot twists, lots of politics and etc big world events, that have come true in our real world. Motoko is so fkn awesome too, she's so amazing, and you'll get to learn Motoko's true past, her origin, in season 2, which really hits home, after you get to know Motoko so well, through the 2 seasons as her current bad'ss self
ua-cam.com/video/5FLQxOVPXLM/v-deo.html (here's a vid of hollywood movies that have plagerized content from anime, Matrix/GitS is in here, too lazy to get the time stamp of it though)
also, here's another scene that Matrix plagerized from GitS:SAC, if you remember in the Matrix with the helicopter (I think when they were rescuing Morpheus in first movie (or maybe it was a later helicopter scene in movies 2 or 3, meh, can't remember), but the helicopter gets damaged, and Neo holds the helicopter up (nvm, he just holds up Trinity, not the entire heavy helicopter like Motoko, hehe) with his hands, or something like that, well here's the scene that they stole from GitS:SAC and the GitS:SAC scene that they stole from:
ua-cam.com/video/eDd3yWEiNLY/v-deo.html (the Matrix scene plagerizing GitS:SAC's scene)
ua-cam.com/video/hZb-43E6clQ/v-deo.html (the GitS:SAC scene that the Matrix plagerized from)
You as a human care about nudity. So does Batou. But the Major doesn't care.
This is the original matrix
An absolute classic, this movie and Akira are what got me into anime. The show (Stand Alone Complex 1st & 2nd Gig) is pretty good too, and has some humor and fun episodes along with the heady, existential stuff. I couldn't stand Netflix's new spinoff (2045) and never made it past episode 2 or 3
This is "maybe" an older animtaion movie, but yo guys are older, even if you are young.
The live action got casting hate for 'whitewashing' Major Kusanagi, despite the fact that the creator of the manga has stated, time and time again, that he purposely made her NOT Asian, because her origin is supposed to be a mystery.
Her origin (i.e. what's written on her passport) may be a mystery, but her appearance is not that mysterious. She has a Japanese name and jet-black hair yet is as American as apple pie? Shirow made it a point to unambiguously draw Caucasian characters about as Caucasian as he could, such as the Russian agent being almost albino in the manga while the Major and some Filipino characters looking exactly the same. Major Kusanagi has light eyes in the original anime movie, but that's about it. It would seem obvious that the visual language of the manga is giving us all the hints needed, but wait, that would actually require nuance.
As much as I respect Shirow's work, I don't trust his statements about the Major's origin. I would hazard a guess that he was being diplomatic in every Japanese sense of the word when he was approached in an interview after Hollywood released their live action trailer for GiTS. He just said that to get the American journalists off his back because they kicked up a stink about the (rightfully) disgruntled fans and because he didn't want to catch flack from the Hollywood execs, most likely.
In the 30 or so years that the manga, anime movies, and series existed, no mention of the character's race was mentioned ever. Then Shirow confirms the Hollywod version's casting choice because the movie's made, the marketing is underway, and it'll be seen as bad taste to badmouth the choice this late in the game. Hell, I'd be surprised if the Hollyweird execs even consulted Shirow. They probably just made the movie, attaching Johansson to it, then called Shirow the night before releasing the trailer, asking "Hey, u cool wid dis, right?"
It's very telling that he only made a statement about her race in the late 2010's when Hollywood made their version of the movie.
It was only after the trailer came out that every media outlet under the sun quoted the hell out of Shirow about the Major's race and that he gave his "blessing" regarding the Major.
As I understand, he said that the Major's artificial body was designed to be inconspicuous, right?
So that's why Scarlet Johansson's white face should fit right in with the obviously Asian setting of the manga, the1995 movie and the anime series, where there is an obvious fusion of Hong Kong, Japan, and Taiwan in all of the aesthetics and characters?!
Finally, if Hollywood can make The Little Mermaid with an African-American no-name actress, why couldn't they do the same with a Caucasian character (Kusanagi Motoko) and cast an Asian actress for originality's sake, if they're so adamant about diversity and race-swapping original IP's.
No. They decided to go with a big-name, white actress because they, all of a sudden, decided to be authentic and stick to the original manga LOLWUT?
Making Akira with white actors is okay, but not experimenting with races in GiTS is crossing the line? Making a lanky white-looking dude with puffy hair and a name like "Spike Speigel" be played by an Asian actor is okay, but breaking the mold and casting a Japanese-American or even latina actress to play
They could have at least cast a latin-american actress, because Scarlet Johansson's black hair looks pretty bad on her pasty, Scandinavian white skin.
They should have at least changed the name from "Kusanagi Motoko" to "Mandy Castings" or something, because it's kind of ridiculous to have a completely Japanese first and last name and be as white as the North Pole; it's also distracting and ruins the immersion.
Goddamn, Johansson was a bad choice. They should have seriously just cast Aono Kaede (from the Japanese stage production of GiTS: Arise) and dubbed her over in English or something -- she looks cool as fuk and can actually do martial arts. That would at least be something in fresh in the sewer that Hollywood is fast becoming.
Actually fuck what I said, I want them to cast an obese black dude as Motoko in GiTS 2.
And don't get me started on Degrassi -- I mean, Death Note Junior High....
TL;DR They shoulda just called the movie Blade Runner 2 and changed the Major's name to Sky Jones and been done with it.
@@userxl41drn301 While I certainly appreciate the investment you've made in typing all this, I didn't get past the first few paragraphs. You indicated that he was being diplomatic after ScarJo's casting, but I've heard his statements about her mysterious ethnicity since well before the live action.
In addition (and not being used to prove the above point of previous statements), two years before the live action's release (2017), The New Movie mentioned that that iteration of Motoko's origins were as the daughter of two refugees of unknown nationality/ethnicity, and her need to be cyberized thanks to a chemical weapon attack that killed her unidentified pregnant mother.
@@cyborgvalkyrie If Shirow's comments regarding her ethnicity are documented somewhere, than I may reconsider. I just don't think that anyone gave it much thought when the manga came out. The Japanese likely assumed that Kusanagi 's body'was Japanese/Asian, and that this didn't even need to be said. It was a non-issue, just like the fact that Usagi of Sailor Moon fame looks like a Caucasian despite being about Japanese as you can get. I can get that an ethnicity can be "mysterious", but not a race, at least. You're either Caucasian/Europioid, Negroid, or Mongoloid. There are sub-groups (ethnicities) within that such as Semito-Hamitic, Indian, Austronesian, etc.
To say that someone has a mysterious ethnicity is kind of a cop-out, since there is at least a suggestion of an ethnicity based on common traits. And mixed ethnicity people also have these traits. Johansson clearly has a specific and quite a strong ethnic features associated with Northern European people. There's not even any ambiguity as was done with Battle Angel Alita,. They could have cast someone with ethnically mixed "ambiguous" features (like in some Luc Besson-produced film like District 13 or Yamakasi, that actually leave you guessing as to the characters' origins and feels somewhat futuristic) but they copped out for a big-name, snow-white North-European actress that has name recognition and is about as racially ambigious as an Irish person mixed with a Norwegian.
steampunk !? wha...? ...and yes,we need more anime like this
The Matrix movie was not inspired by this, it stole from it.
you made the right decision not watching the dub. the english actors are way too monotone, which gets especially rough with all the philosophical monologues. really it's a testament to oshii's skill as a director that he was able to make this as coherent as he did. the original manga is certainly...interesting. but also a real narrative mess. and yeah it still looks amazing. this came at the end of the late 80s/early 90s anime boom (and the japanese bubble economy that funded it), and before the transition to digital (though it does use some pretty innovative for the time digital techniques), so it still has that labor-intensive, hand-drawn realism to it. it's very rare for anything but biggest anime productions (studio ghibli etc) to get this kind of budget nowadays.
The dub Is better on this one for Americans. Too much to read and then you miss the action. Because of all the tech language, it's a huge distraction from the movie. A the voice talent is awesome in dub. This is just a suggestion for people who have a hard time following the story, when struggling to read subtitles.
Thank god you wtahced this in Japanese because the dub is so bad. Early anime tend to have really bad 3rd party dubs and this one for sure is in that department.