Is your supermarket spying on you? Silkie Carlo on the UK’s ‘dystopian’ surveillance system

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  • @1800astra
    @1800astra День тому +5

    What a great guest, with an important concern. Thanks Silkie, and Spectator TV.

  • @pmichael73
    @pmichael73 2 дні тому +41

    Time for everyone to start wearing plastic glasses with large noses and moustaches.

    • @maggen_me7790
      @maggen_me7790 2 дні тому +2

      Fits perfectly into the Clown world🤡

    • @aethellstan
      @aethellstan 2 дні тому +2

      thought i've seen you before

    • @marksmith9218
      @marksmith9218 2 дні тому +1

      A massive covid mask maybe!

    • @clovermark39
      @clovermark39 2 дні тому +2

      Just shop at your local independent shops and pay by cash.

    • @UtubeRwokeLefties
      @UtubeRwokeLefties 2 дні тому +3

      Or a Starmer mask. Same thing as long as the glasses cost at least £2000.

  • @NbyD
    @NbyD 2 дні тому +14

    Please guys use cash, dont install all those marketing apps (clubs etc) and lobby your MPs on this.

  • @jakoflynn2560
    @jakoflynn2560 3 дні тому +28

    Sooooo much that is very very wrong in uk 🇬🇧

  • @FraserBailey-jm5yz
    @FraserBailey-jm5yz 2 дні тому +12

    I have been aware of this for around five years, having written a website etc for a company offering this technology for retail customers. It's all awful, of course, as is everything about our time and place. In defence of the retailers, the fact is that police and the law are not going to do anything about the shoplifting, so this might help in that respect.
    All that aside, it's great to see Silkie here. She is a great defender of the few freedoms remaining to us.

  • @stephenrose1343
    @stephenrose1343 2 дні тому +14

    Rejected ID cards?
    Try changing your medical practice ,your home address,accessing an account of a deceased person,as an executor with a grant of probate.Try depositing a sum of cash or withdrawing a sum of cash over £4000.Try renting a property. The list goes on, with every interaction you will need to prove your identity with a current passport, driving , or firearms licence. The UK has changed out of all recognition.

    • @peteclarkcopy
      @peteclarkcopy 27 хвилин тому

      Who are these criminals, telling us what we can do with our own money?

  • @NigelCopy
    @NigelCopy 2 дні тому +4

    This is a policing issue. The fact that the police aren’t interested is a scandal.

  • @tommcfadden5232
    @tommcfadden5232 2 дні тому +9

    Kaffkaesque describes the situation perfectly.

  • @unblessedcoffee1457
    @unblessedcoffee1457 3 дні тому +12

    If you think of it, they've thought of it. They're already doing it.

    • @ancientexercise8973
      @ancientexercise8973 День тому

      @@unblessedcoffee1457 the uk has been developing and sending this tech to China for years, I was under the impression that we couldn't use it here because of human rights, but I suppose that's out of the window now!

  • @briancox9357
    @briancox9357 2 дні тому +7

    It's fascinating that James O Brien and other left wing Podcasters are in favor of this.

    • @DarkShroom
      @DarkShroom 2 дні тому

      if he is "left wing" he's left wing like Tucker Carlson is right wing... they don't actually give a shit about anything but ratings

  • @christinejeavons9464
    @christinejeavons9464 3 дні тому +11

    Police should have a mandatory obligation to attend shop lifting situations

    • @ravens-crypt
      @ravens-crypt 3 дні тому

      Problem there is recruiting as it as the same issue as teaching and nhs staff and social care

    • @christinejeavons9464
      @christinejeavons9464 3 дні тому

      @@ravens-crypt no need to worry. Our new Socialist government want everyone to work for the state. Borrow billions & hey presto hugh pay rises & recruitment solved! Never mind the quality & training. Only the numbers count. 🥴

    • @FraserBailey-jm5yz
      @FraserBailey-jm5yz 2 дні тому +2

      The problem being that if they did that, they wouldn't have time for anything else given the scale of the shoplifting, and assuming the shoplifters go unpunished.

    • @oldjoeterrett2399
      @oldjoeterrett2399 День тому

      yES - AND SHOPS SHOULD HAVE A LEGAL REQUIRENET TO CALL THE POLICE

  • @DaveSmith-s6e
    @DaveSmith-s6e 3 дні тому +22

    Oh it gets so worse…. You know the Tesco club card, or the Morrisons more card… well let me tell you a story.
    Your shopping basket is so important, that knowing what you bought, when and where can predict with a 95%+ accuracy who you will vote for.
    Now, if you buy a shopping basket on just a credit card, the store has to hold the record of the purchase for 7 years, but cannot hold the info of what you bought. Swipe that loyalty card though, and into dystopia we go. The contents of who you are (info you volunteered when you signed up for the card) and what you bought is then packaged up and sold off to the highest bidder. All this discounts for using your card are because you’ve become the product. And no one is paying attention to it.

    • @greatscott369
      @greatscott369 2 дні тому +4

      It all comes accross as convenient or useful until we find out it's sinister. It never ends.

    • @azar1354
      @azar1354 2 дні тому

      If you buy lard, you're a Reform voter. If you buy Quorn, you're Lib Dem! 😅

    • @MrBlaxjax
      @MrBlaxjax 2 дні тому +1

      Wow I’m shocked! They keep records of your purchases. Creepy. No one guessed that. It’s Orwellian!

    • @christopherball8295
      @christopherball8295 2 дні тому

      @DaveSmith-s6e even the DWP know about your shopping movements, they have access to your club card details!

    • @ancientexercise8973
      @ancientexercise8973 День тому

      It's also kind of being forced on families that are struggling because you 'save' so much with a club card. Some products are literally pounds off by using it. It's quite evil really

  • @elsiesaunders4607
    @elsiesaunders4607 2 дні тому +8

    Oh look, it's "FaceRecTech" just like H M Sealey's dystopian novels. What a surprise.

  • @alexandermoody1946
    @alexandermoody1946 День тому +1

    There is a justified reason to live with fear of this technology and I fully understand. I used to deliberately walk my own dog where as few ring doorbells would see me as possible and yes I was paranoid about being filmed constantly when I was working and which companies had manufactured the cameras and if the footage was being kept by the manufacturer not only my own employer. The really devastating thing was when I was involved in a photo that got added to the side of a work van without my consent and then refused to be removed. The psychological harms done by things like this took its toll on me. But what I realised is that when this is used all of this information gathering can also record the meaningful interactions we have with each other including strangers and that is gold when it's comes to the potential made when collected. When we show how beautifully society can function when we meaningfully interact with each other, firstly there is a delegitimising force to why this technology is being used in the first instance but then secondly when this data is sold and it will be because to pay to store such will become very expensive it will be used as training data and for advertising then there is reason to petition for compensation. If your images are being taken without your consent and sold then surely compensation is the only way to mitigate such. I know technology companies have said they have to be able to use all copyrighted works to train artificial intelligence but at what point is theft of our personal interactions also deemed a breach of our human rights laws regarding rights to a private life?

  • @in6087
    @in6087 2 дні тому +6

    Keep meaning to ask security in Sainsbury’s whether I can nick a month’s worth of shopping in one day or whether we have to spread it out

    • @offshoretomorrow3346
      @offshoretomorrow3346 2 дні тому +1

      Just perfect for police: crime rockets up - crime stats plummet.

  • @pixie3458
    @pixie3458 2 дні тому +2

    And they have the cheek to ask you whether you want a receipt 😳😳

  • @1961-v9k
    @1961-v9k 2 дні тому +4

    And yet, a few days ago, as I walked into a Sainsbury’s, a 6ft man dressed all in black with a black cap and a face mask on (already clued up on facial recognition) strolled out past me with half the shop stuffed up his jacket setting off an alarm. The staff stood there while the store manager asked me which way he went, then came back into the store.

    • @laurenceede6881
      @laurenceede6881 2 дні тому +3

      The shop staff can’t risk tackling them; they might have a knife. Plus, if they do successfully apprehend someone then the criminal will no doubt claim they were injured and then suddenly the shop staff are the ones who find themselves on the wrong side of the law…

    • @1961-v9k
      @1961-v9k 2 дні тому +1

      @ I know, that was really the point I was making. I worked for ASDA for twenty years and seen it all. We were always told strictly under no circumstances did we tackle a shop lifter, but when I worked there they had security guards built like brick 💩houses and I’ve seen them tackle many a shop lifter to the ground as they stepped out the door with electricals and alcohol tumbling out of their jackets 🤣🤣🤣

    • @marksmith9218
      @marksmith9218 2 дні тому +2

      Saw this happen in M&S 2 days ago, two guys walked out laughing their heads off, full shopping bags each hand, they didn't even attempt to hide their faces, and about 6 store staff came outside to watch them calming walking away, The police don't bother anymore.. The facial recognition is for the people who do pay!

    • @bl4531
      @bl4531 5 хвилин тому

      ​@@marksmith9218and if YOU or I tried that , I wonder what would happen .😤

  • @kensears5099
    @kensears5099 10 годин тому +1

    As if a little old lady who may or may not have accidentally popped a one-pound item in her sack without paying for it is the problem in society. And as if a surveillance system is the answer to packs of masked thugs crashing into shops to ransack them in total impunity.

  • @unblessedcoffee1457
    @unblessedcoffee1457 3 дні тому +3

    And yes, interesting that the rise of cctv directly correlates to the police interest in offences.

    • @laurenceede6881
      @laurenceede6881 2 дні тому +2

      It’s an inverse correlation though, sadly. The less the police and justice system do to prevent and prosecute shoplifting, the more demand for things like facial recognition will grow.

  • @duames
    @duames 2 дні тому +2

    Guilty until proven innocent!!!

    • @AlexByth
      @AlexByth 10 годин тому

      Guilty regardless of whether or not you're proven innocent.

  • @in6087
    @in6087 2 дні тому +14

    Police the small stuff and you’ll have less of the big stuff to worry about. That’s sociology 101.

    • @resurrectingand
      @resurrectingand 2 дні тому +1

      What do you mean?

    • @in6087
      @in6087 2 дні тому +5

      @ the finding that homicide rates decline if lesser crimes are seen to be punished fairly. It disincentivises the commission of more serous crimes

    • @clovermark39
      @clovermark39 2 дні тому +3

      Exactly. If people know they are not going to be prosecuted for shoplifting a smaller amount of items then won’t they think they can get away with other things.

    • @NigelCopy
      @NigelCopy 2 дні тому +2

      Zero tolerance for any criminal activity is what’s needed.

  • @phily8716
    @phily8716 2 дні тому +2

    This, along with the police non-crime hate list, needs to be challenged legally.

  • @richardfreeman972
    @richardfreeman972 2 дні тому +2

    Completely out of order and distopian and must stop, 🛑

  • @BertWald-wp9pz
    @BertWald-wp9pz 2 дні тому +1

    This needs proper regulation. Shops often get those caught shop lifting to sign an exclusion order to avoid conviction. This system should be linked with this sort of open agreement with the customer rather than blacklists of suspects. It seems when say the police call you a suspect it generally means there is insufficient evidence to arrest. If arrested it is an allegation.

    • @arfurascii2232
      @arfurascii2232 2 дні тому +1

      Some people have been wrongly accused of shoplifting, searched and banned from shops because of facial recognition systems that confused them with banned customers. Imagine if you can't buy food from the supermarket because computer says no. Very time-consuming and stressful to set right.
      See for example BBC article "I was misidentified as shoplifter by facial recognition tech".

  • @DarkShroom
    @DarkShroom 2 дні тому +1

    i'd bet money that the security guard was a foreigner, welcom to 🇬🇧!

  • @NbyD
    @NbyD 2 дні тому +3

    How can one support that lady?

    • @abatesnz
      @abatesnz 2 дні тому

      Which lady?

    • @DarkShroom
      @DarkShroom 2 дні тому +1

      @@abatesnz did you watch the article? lol

  • @lifelessangel11
    @lifelessangel11 День тому

    Well done silkie

  • @shirleyhaugaard9643
    @shirleyhaugaard9643 19 годин тому

    We have it in Australia, I don’t like it at all but I know that some hardware stores were loosing quite expensive items , tools etc until they got the facial recognition systems

  • @uwot918
    @uwot918 7 годин тому

    Kind of obvious point, but it's not in the supermarkets' interest to falsely ban people, because then they lose a paying customer

  • @simpsond7862
    @simpsond7862 2 дні тому +1

    They have been watching me for years and some of it has to do with the police. This is mainly in south London. I was in Hong Kong and Singapore and they also were watching .

  • @Billthebozo
    @Billthebozo День тому

    I saw a security guard watching football with someone on his phone when aldi was half busy, no wonder yhey get the wrong people too often

  • @brettharter143
    @brettharter143 2 дні тому

    They have also started putting gates up where you have to scan your receipt. Ridiculous

  • @dungareesareforfools
    @dungareesareforfools День тому

    None of this reduces wrongdoing or makes anyone safer. All it does is up the game for the wrongdoers.

  • @JeremyNash-zs7hj
    @JeremyNash-zs7hj 12 годин тому

    The core issue here is that crime pays in this country - certainly at the level of thieving from shops, violent (or just vile) behaviour and similar activity. For perpetrators the risk of apprehension is low and the probability of punishment even lower. There is absolutely no deterrent effect throughout the justice system. The consequence is an emboldened cadre of low level criminals against whom companies now have to defend themselves. The slide towards this dystopian system of watching people, outside the framework of the law, is therefore, both appalling, but understandable.

  • @N_Loco_Parenthesis
    @N_Loco_Parenthesis День тому

    WE have not embraced it. We just lack the kind of communal fiery indignation the French are capable of igniting when the state oppresses the people.

  • @peteclarkcopy
    @peteclarkcopy 25 хвилин тому

    I don't think this idea comes from the supermarkets.

  • @chrisgibson7591
    @chrisgibson7591 День тому

    This technology is getting wide spread across the UK while regulation is put on the back shelf, I can't think why

  • @tonysherwood9619
    @tonysherwood9619 2 дні тому

    "happy ever after in the market place" - up the swanee river!

  • @rosemarie-karma
    @rosemarie-karma 2 дні тому +4

    Is face recognition technology built into the self service tills?

    • @ancientexercise8973
      @ancientexercise8973 День тому

      Good question, I was told no by someone that works at a tesco store, but they're not an authority on it.

    • @rosemarie-karma
      @rosemarie-karma День тому

      @ancientexercise8973 Thanks

    • @DWmudskipper
      @DWmudskipper 21 годину тому

      its on every digital camera and device, even the tablets employees themselves use are being spied on. but yes the self service has it. even the parking outside has facial recogintion lol

    • @ancientexercise8973
      @ancientexercise8973 21 годину тому

      @@DWmudskipper how do you know?

    • @DWmudskipper
      @DWmudskipper 19 годин тому

      @@ancientexercise8973 big brother watch have done numerous pieces regarding employers monitoring employees devices at work. (provided its work tablets not your own personal ones)
      For the self service and parking outside having facial recognition ability.
      cameras dont need to be a special AI camera its simply all the same to the AI, whether its a camera above your head or in a self service till or outside. Its all put into the same system and this AI uses it to perform these things.
      big brother watch on youtube may be a good channel for you, but yeah it is quite shameful i know not every store use it at the moment but give it 5-10 years and they all will.
      for now its just CO op and i believe some other major brands. perhaps tesco etc.

  • @chrisgibson7591
    @chrisgibson7591 День тому

    We'd like to remind all our customers cctv are in operations throughout our town centre and car parks this is for your safety = we are watching you

  • @rnbpl
    @rnbpl День тому

    It's the other way around, China has a UK-style surveillance system, imo.

    • @rnbpl
      @rnbpl День тому

      also it's illegal for supermarkets to do this in China

  • @laurenceede6881
    @laurenceede6881 2 дні тому

    Scary, but I’ve some sympathy with the supermarkets as shoplifters are rarely punished properly, if at all. Also, even if caught outside the shop with (say) five steaks, those can’t just go back on the shelves but are thrown away.

  • @martinhumble
    @martinhumble 3 дні тому +3

    I'm only spying on my neighbour's wife. And I do work in a supermarket

  • @andymarais3014
    @andymarais3014 2 дні тому

    £1. Shop lifting is a career for 95% of immigrants

  • @Jd-mg4yu
    @Jd-mg4yu 2 дні тому

    Surely the answer is to stop making it so easy to walk out of the shops with stolen goods. Put some kind of turn stile door for entry that only opens one way, and the exit doors have permanent security on it.(with the ability to lock the doors if someone tries to push through). That wont stop all of it but it will deter a lot of people. Id prefer to see a door with security on and a further door that automatically locks when alarm goes off so criminals are stuck between the two locked doors (then they cant attack anyone), and then with a door hatch so that the criminal can put the stolen goods through the hatch and then they can leave. No doubt the government will shamefully say you cant do that as criminals have rights. The cameras are just for building a database of people for the track and trace society were heading into, with total control over everything.

  • @wealth2815
    @wealth2815 2 дні тому

    Crime rises and there is a reaction.
    What should we expect?
    Does the end justify the means?
    Can we argue that China, using more advanced forms of surveillance is safer than the UK?
    If it is then the same control is in store for the UK.

    • @boybath
      @boybath 2 дні тому

      Safer in what respect - ask the Uighurs how safe they feel - TBH its the closest to German treatment of ethnic minorities in the 1930s you will ever find

  • @tonysherwood9619
    @tonysherwood9619 2 дні тому

    Wait until the drone drops off your(???) shopping!

  • @davidgaskin5417
    @davidgaskin5417 2 дні тому +1

    "We can't fix it by becoming a dystopian society".... Yes, but how do you fix the rising case of people brazenly stealing? No use complaining about surveillance if no one can come up with a better idea.

  • @cavaleirosemlicenca3894
    @cavaleirosemlicenca3894 2 дні тому

    UK Chinistan 😮

  • @MrBlaxjax
    @MrBlaxjax 2 дні тому +1

    We are not becoming a dystopian surveillance state though. The main issue is misidentification. So if I get identified as a shoplifter there must be a legal challenge to that. Which clearly there isn’t yet. So legal parameters for use of camera surveillance might need updating. I agree with that. But we ain’t China. Most of these cameras are privately owned. In China you’re mainly recorded by your local police station and you really are tracked as you move around the country and the records/footage is kept forever. In the uk that simply isn’t the case. Most records are wiped after a few weeks. Other stuff, in China the police know exactly where you live. You have to tell them your address when you move in. Even when if you don’t someone else will have the job of notifying the police that a new guy has moved in at number 86 or whatever. You have to carry identification. You cannot travel without identification. You cannot stay in a hotel without identification. Even getting onto a train or coach requires identification checks and airport style luggage checks. So am I bothered that the local coop uses facial recognition technology to try to reduce shoplifting? Why would I be? The uk is practically the opposite of a police state. The reason the coop does this is because there are no police and anyway they are not bothered! Is Keir Starmer going to use coop technology to harass me if I vote conservative? Seems unlikely.

  • @leeeeee286
    @leeeeee286 2 дні тому

    A guy I know can't enter any stores in his town after he stole some stuff. Now if he needs groceries he needs to ask family and friends to make purchases for him. It's kinda nuts.

  • @jimnolan830
    @jimnolan830 2 дні тому +1

    Usual Sulki overreach, but then you dont have your nose in the feed bag if there's not something to over dramatise.

  • @winstonschwarz1636
    @winstonschwarz1636 2 дні тому

    Shoplifting is epidemic. All ages all classes. I doubt very much that they give a damm about some poor old girl nicking a small inexpensive item.

  • @jons9721
    @jons9721 2 дні тому

    People carry mobile phones that can be tracked, sorry but no one has a right to enter private property anonymously or in fact drive on public roads anonymously either. There are times when there should be privacy when outside (your medical records for example) but shopping is not one of them

  • @AdmirableCrichton-wn3gf
    @AdmirableCrichton-wn3gf 2 дні тому

    Good

  • @TheGinglymus
    @TheGinglymus 2 дні тому

    Why does the opening clip want to make you think this is "the state"? It's private companies. If you genuinely care about this issue you wouldn't want to obfuscate the truth in order to push your own ideological agenda against the government. The government is what can save us here by stopping the companies doing this.

  • @user10184
    @user10184 2 дні тому

    Shops are private property. This shouldn't be controversial.

    • @rezwhap
      @rezwhap 2 дні тому +1

      @@user10184 Surely you watched the video and can see it’s a little more nuanced than that.

  • @christopherbrookfield4785
    @christopherbrookfield4785 2 дні тому

    One cannot help but wonder about the increase in shoplifting and exactly what factors are driving that. Presumably, the cost of living crisis and people struggling to make ends meet. When I was at school, in the nineteen seventies, we were told that it was wrong to shoplift because, apart from anything else, it forced the shop to increase their prices, putting the cost of stealing into other, more honest people. I always felt, at the time, that that was a ploy to deter anyone from doing it by manipulating them through guilt, but it may be true. One wonders why it is such a big issue to be tracked, unless one is doing something illegal, what does one have to hide or keep secret? Lovely lady, though. Very beautiful. ❤❤❤

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    @maram-k4r 3 дні тому +1

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