Owen Farrell Red Card Rescinded | World Rugby Crazy or Just Right?

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  • Owen Farrell Red Card Rescinded | World Rugby Crazy or Just Right?
    The independent judicial committee has overturned the red card issued to Owen Farrell in the clash at Twickenham in the England vs Wales match.
    This has been the center of much deliberation among the rugby community - was it the correct decision, in light of the law, or was it an absurd call that makes absolutely no sense when analysing the footage in respect of the law?
    In this video we assess the Farrell red card incident with specific consideration of the Foul Play laws 9.13 ("tackling law"); law 9.12 ("striking with the shoulder") and law 9.16 ("the wrapping law").
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  • @donsland1610
    @donsland1610 Рік тому +77

    Farrell is a know thug on the rugby field: his history of offences speaks for itself and that should have been taken into account when making any decision about the legality of his tackle. It was a blatant shoulder charge, something he does on a regular basis, with no attempt to wrap with his arms. This is a red card offence for sure. Rugby is the poorer for this disgraceful overturning of the decision of the team at the game.

    • @karood-dog3584
      @karood-dog3584 Рік тому

      Other than the wrap from his left arm 🤔 you see these challenges in every game the upright attempts to rip / dislodge the ball are dangerous and need to be looked at Or perhaps only when one player does them??

    • @3108dd
      @3108dd Рік тому +9

      ​@@karood-dog3584 Ah wake up mate. You need to wrap with the leading arm, not tuck your arm to just hit with the shoulder. Like Farrell did here, and another 7-8 times over the years. It's never a valid tackle, even if it hadn't been direct to the head (making it a blatant red on that score alone) it was always a tucked arm shoulder charge, which is illegal regardless of height. Nothing to do with Owen Farrell - it's not a partisan issue at all, England fans and even OF fans have been among the loudest in condemning this spineless decision.

    • @brianneale2006
      @brianneale2006 Рік тому +10

      I agree entirely he deserves a lengthy suspension that is the only way to kerb his offences on the Rugby field as he is a thug as you mention I do not like him as a player not one bit

  • @EasyTiger.01343
    @EasyTiger.01343 Рік тому +52

    I think most impartial rugby fans have no doubt the red card was the correct decision (I'm English by the way).
    The bigger issue here is how "The Committee" has undermined the authority of the match officials and the TMO team (who actually did everything right) and all this, just three weeks away from a World Cup.
    If World Rugby were acting like a professional corporation, one with a brand to uphold, the CEO would have strongly advised the committee to focus exclusively on supporting the game-time decisions and ruling on the subsequent level of punishment. Rulings made during the game should be final.
    Again, the match officials and the TMO did everything right during the game, which proves these new decision-making protocols can and do work.
    How World Rugby handles this issue remains to be seen.

    • @jonesyjones7626
      @jonesyjones7626 Рік тому

      How do you know what the Committee’s focus was? Your comments are pure speculation. I hope you don’t, but if you ended up in front of a judge, would you like them to be swayed by what the mob think and not the facts?

    • @dexstewart2450
      @dexstewart2450 Рік тому +3

      Bloody good opening point

    • @damiandennis7997
      @damiandennis7997 Рік тому +3

      I dont know who you are, but you should be sitting at the decision maker table...great point

    • @Birkguitars
      @Birkguitars Рік тому +1

      Not sure about game time decisions being final. The citation process was introduced to pick up on things the officials missed during the game and I am not in favour of removing that opportunity for review.

    • @Rasperdan
      @Rasperdan Рік тому

      If they take into consideration he has not adjusted to the modern way of tackling then it is a wrong decision. For the record he has not made any adjustment to his style of tackling, hay this a recurring thing with him. The point has to be made.... is a head/neck injury important. That's the bottom line for me.

  • @namasi7070
    @namasi7070 Рік тому +24

    Meanwhile George Moala of Tonga is banned for 10 weeks for a tip tackle against Canada. Moala has no previous charges while Farrell is a serial offender.

    • @jonesyjones7626
      @jonesyjones7626 Рік тому

      Completely different. A tip tackle has virtually no claim for mitigation. The panel found that the actions of George caused Basham to change his line at the last instant which is a mitigation. Not liking the outcome is one thing, but comparing it to different cases doesn’t help.

    • @louisjordaan8266
      @louisjordaan8266 Рік тому

      Corruption. Should abolish the red card belongs to soccer ⚽

    • @YallNotWhite_YourPINK
      @YallNotWhite_YourPINK Рік тому

      ​@@jonesyjones7626🤡

    • @downsy4567
      @downsy4567 Рік тому

      Moala's ban was in fact reduced to 5 weeks, with mitigation given.

    • @Yongs17
      @Yongs17 Рік тому

      ​@@jonesyjones7626typical whitey backing up another whitey

  • @nmatienzo
    @nmatienzo Рік тому +30

    As an u16 coach at my club this decision is a disgrace. We’re attempting to form good people first. Kids look after this players and in the process feed from their behavior (and from the consecuences of their actions). Shame to the people that made this call.

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Рік тому

      Shame you make this call without all the evidence.

  • @AllStarStockie
    @AllStarStockie Рік тому +68

    We can only hope that World Rugby challenge the decision from the committee. The current decision is a disgrace. Everyone just wants consistency.

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому +6

      Agreed. Everyone wants to see the law applied consistently across the board

    • @westy8065
      @westy8065 Рік тому +7

      What I dont understand is world rugby are overall in charge of employing the citing commission, so surely its them at fault! How can they appeal this decision? Personally I think the red was correct, the way of deciding during play the colour of card is correct, it took 8 mins so how can they say it was wrong!

    • @johnpollock7952
      @johnpollock7952 Рік тому

      World Rugby are the ones driving the shambles. It's not like other people haven't got away with stuff like this before. This is just more obvious because they've had to go to effort to overturn it.

    • @NZnOZ-bu6jh
      @NZnOZ-bu6jh Рік тому +5

      How many chances has he had in his career to change? Serial thug illegal tackler. Moala for 10 weeks? Please!

    • @deeplearning7097
      @deeplearning7097 Рік тому +2

      I can understand why they may not want to penalise a player so close to the World Cup, but this was a clear infringement. They have made fools of the match-time review. I can only hope that Farrell does not injure any Irish players in Dublin on Saturday.

  • @brianneale2006
    @brianneale2006 Рік тому +4

    Farrell gets away with blue murder time and again time that he has is wings clipped with a long suspension, Nigel Owen, would have had his guts for garters as he was a good referee and would have stood no nonsense and the governing body should have up held the red card against Farrell and given him a lengthy suspension given Farrells previous misdemeanours

  • @colinfuller6361
    @colinfuller6361 Рік тому +20

    So based on the Farrell precedent now in place, we should see no red cards for the World Cup?

    • @jonesyjones7626
      @jonesyjones7626 Рік тому +1

      No, don’t be silly. If you go through the process and the mitigation is not sufficient, red cards will be confirmed. If there is found to be mitigation, the sanction will change. It is not difficult.

    • @colinfuller6361
      @colinfuller6361 Рік тому +4

      @@jonesyjones7626 So you if you believe Farrell's mitigation was sufficient to have the card rescinded, then the system is a joke.

  • @nicholasnorliffe46
    @nicholasnorliffe46 Рік тому +28

    FARRELL HAS SOMEBODY in the position of POWER PROTECTING HIM

    • @robinchanguion5400
      @robinchanguion5400 Рік тому

      Bill Beaumont Chairman of World Rugby, also an ex England Captain. You can't get any higher than that. "World Rugby" is a corrupt institution, their Vice Chairman had to leave over serious bribery charges

    • @williammcdermid2892
      @williammcdermid2892 Рік тому +4

      I watched retired ref. Nigel Owen s pod cast normally he goes into everything, esp the Wales , England match, he mentions and examines the two yellow cards but not a mention of farrels red, the most controversial one, v surprised, why didn't he bring it up, it's the talking point everyone wanted to hear about, think u maybe correct

    • @johnsmithwinkwink1704
      @johnsmithwinkwink1704 Рік тому +1

      @ williammcdermid2892 I saw that, Owen never mentioned it. It's the refs club and they protect each other. SCANDALOUS.

    • @downsy4567
      @downsy4567 Рік тому +3

      The reason why Nigel Owens didn't discuss it in his YT video is that he either knew or guessed that WR would appeal against the 6N appointed IJC's decision (which they have now done) and he has previously stated he won't discuss decisions that are under review/appeal. I agree he should have clearly done so in the video, which sadly wasn't the case.

    • @Valhalla88888
      @Valhalla88888 Рік тому +4

      Bill Beaumont ex England Captain!!! and he is as Thick as Farrell!!!

  • @douglaswright2143
    @douglaswright2143 Рік тому +26

    He has been getting away with this for years.

    • @brianneale2006
      @brianneale2006 Рік тому +2

      Yep he sure has time that he was taught a very hard lesson and next time that he was red carded given a lengthy suspension so that he misses some rugby International matches for England that would hurt him and the English Rugby International board and the team. By the way I am Welsh Born in Wales

    • @RealAfricanDude
      @RealAfricanDude Рік тому +1

      If he was South African he would never play professional rugby again

    • @douglaswright2143
      @douglaswright2143 Рік тому +3

      @@RealAfricanDude He would have been banned 10 years ago. SA are a very tough, honourable and decent rugby country full of the values of the game. I have upmost respect for you guys and the ABs, the rugby greats. I am a proud Scot approaching 60 looking forward to our encounter, bring it on.
      SA have suffered badly from referees for years, it is almost as if the bravery and physicality is assumed to be illegal!
      I objected to Rassies rant, even though I thought he was right, I disliked the way it was done.
      Now I understand his rightful rage and the injustice felt when the the establishment closes ranks.
      It is such a shame we are playing each other, it would be wonderful if either Scotland or South Africa were to go face to face with England.
      You never know, Samoa might raise their tackling height in response!

  • @samgreer8274
    @samgreer8274 Рік тому +4

    If it was an All Black, they would've banned him to the fullest extent. Because England run the RFU, the NH players will always get off these red card offences.

    • @3108dd
      @3108dd Рік тому +2

      Irish & French players won't. Nor Scottish or Welsh. Honestly, not even most England players. For some bizarre reason, Farrell seems to be exempt from the laws of the game. He's been getting away with these horror tackles for 7-8 years now. They're not even tackles actually, they're tucked-arm shoulder charges.

    • @dexstewart2450
      @dexstewart2450 Рік тому

      England = the whole of the NH...and of course England run the RFU - it's their Union !

    • @samgreer8274
      @samgreer8274 Рік тому

      @@3108dd rugby has become corrupt.

  • @tim.jenkins75
    @tim.jenkins75 Рік тому +3

    I've not read one comment in favour of it being a yellow.....even his face said it when it happened.....he's a cowered...pure a simple he takes cheap shots again and again and needs to be punished!

  • @frederickmurray5766
    @frederickmurray5766 Рік тому +3

    And people wonder why England is universally hated on the sport fields...

  • @jamesmiles1522
    @jamesmiles1522 Рік тому +6

    The mitigating issue is...Taine Basham failed his HIA! This means a brain injury was sustained. Appalling decision by the committee. 😞

    • @downsy4567
      @downsy4567 Рік тому +2

      He did fail HIA1 on match day, hence not returning to play. But subsequently passed HIA2 & 3, indicating no concussion, thus not being required to undertake Return to Play protocols, thus is why he's free to play against SA.
      The IJC apparently knew all this and it *might* have been a reason they adjudicated favourably on OF, although they cited the involvement of Jamie George and the "sudden and significant change of direction" of TB as the reason. (Which I don't buy I'm afraid)

  • @jimbails23
    @jimbails23 Рік тому +27

    Ja wouldn’t been good to compare to the Tonga player who just got 10 weeks ban for dangerous tackle having had no prior incidents.
    Farrell had been banned several times in the past so is a repeat offender.
    Hopefully WR will appeal the decision and the right call will be made.
    Obvious double standards

    • @fearnpol4938
      @fearnpol4938 Рік тому +3

      He’s from Tonga not England.

    • @jonesyjones7626
      @jonesyjones7626 Рік тому

      Not relevant. A tip tackle has very little credible mitigation, that’s why he got the ban and the law is clear on this. The panel found there was mitigation in Farrell’s case and so the sanction was changed. It’s that simple.

    • @GBO76
      @GBO76 Рік тому +1

      @@jonesyjones7626 Knowing that the panel is english, that's indeed very simple. And convenient as well. I mean convenient for the English team. Because all around the world, that decision is seen as a joke.

  • @mrl8706
    @mrl8706 Рік тому +1

    The disciplinary panel of puppets should be fired immediately for their incompetence, corruption or bias.

  • @kennethjames9416
    @kennethjames9416 Рік тому +5

    Mr Farrell has done this numerous times and has got away with it again,he will never learn until he gets a long ban. Its one rule for him and another rule for everybody else.Discraceful,any rugby fan could see its a red card except perhaps the three man committee.

  • @amantedellopera1681
    @amantedellopera1681 Рік тому +3

    At last world rugby are reviewing and appealing this awful decision as reported in irish times,about time

  • @angryjock4630
    @angryjock4630 Рік тому +21

    I have my own issues with the constant rule changes and the unending quest to basically remove forwards from the game, and reduce the glorious game of rugby to a game of league. But tackling below the shoulders is pretty uncontroversial. If you're bleating on about player safety as justification for your every rule change and players are being binned and sanctioned all over the shop, then how the hell do you overturn something so absolutely blatant as this?
    We've seen players sent off for head to head contact in a clear out where the defender moved his head after the incoming player was committed and moving at full chat. There's head contact as a result and off he goes.
    Farrell straight up chins a guy and it's all roses. Yellow card.
    This World Cup runs the risk of being a complete sh**show. At least almost everyone agrees that the bunker made the right call...

    • @johnpollock7952
      @johnpollock7952 Рік тому

      Every world cup's a shit show. This is just the most blatant example of how much of a shit show rugby is

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Рік тому

      I take it you have all the angles and evidence then? His shoulder hits the ball first...

  • @Shamankzn
    @Shamankzn Рік тому +6

    I wonder what the reaction would have been from world rugby immediately after this ruling if Augustine Pinchot was at the head and not Beaumont.

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Рік тому

      World rugby can appeal the decision but they are not involved with the panel ffs.

    • @Shamankzn
      @Shamankzn Рік тому

      @@dulls8475 Yes... so they keep on telling us, and yet, no appeal yet and no statement and Farrell continues to be a very special case, treated differently to others. You may ffs as much as you like, the reality is that England are tarnished by the perception of favoritism

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Рік тому

      @@Shamankzn England have nothing to do with this or getting favourable treatment.
      Give your evidence or be part of the group think. The internet lynch mob.

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Рік тому

      @@Shamankzn Keep up to date. World Rugby has appealed it even before you put up your non factual post.

  • @petespirals
    @petespirals Рік тому +3

    special treatment for England again

  • @lindathomas1482
    @lindathomas1482 Рік тому +10

    you cannot put a system in place then undemine it makes it a joke

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 Рік тому

      Yes you can. It is called scrutiny. It is normal on planet earth.

  • @LiebenPrinsloo
    @LiebenPrinsloo Рік тому +3

    His dirty world rugby have always been corrupt, just not hiding it anymore

  • @b62boom1
    @b62boom1 Рік тому +8

    Hopefully a player from one of the other teams will deal out the appropriate punishment on the pitch, in the upcoming World Cup. Farrel has got away with this behaviour repeatedly for for too long.

  • @ashgamble1168
    @ashgamble1168 Рік тому +2

    Dear world rugby
    I am writing in regards to the clearing of Owen Farrell by an independent pannel.
    Having watched the outcry of disbelief from all corners of the rugby world i feel compelled to add my voice to the tulmute.
    The footage clearly shows no attempt to use his arms in the tackle or to dip at the waist. Even if there was no deviation from the opposition player the result would still have been the same.
    Given Mr Farrells poor disciplinary record and history of head high and shoulder charge tackles how was he cleared of any wrongdoing?
    Even more concerning is the inconsistencies in clearing Mr Farrell while suspending other players with a lesser profile and lesser resources from tier 2 nations.
    Rugby has always been a game where all players are equal on and off the field but aparently that is no longer the case.
    Regards

  • @alexwilson8582
    @alexwilson8582 Рік тому +2

    Best commentary so far on this issue. Well done.

  • @cjels5400
    @cjels5400 Рік тому +2

    If nothing happens to Farrel you will certainly see more of those hits in the future . They have opened up a can of worms for themselves

    • @renewablefuelsanalyst8263
      @renewablefuelsanalyst8263 Рік тому

      no they know exactly what they are doing. THey will punish anyone that commits these tackles against the right teams. Rules for thee but not for me. THink of corrupt politicians...they use the law to get rid of their corrupt opponents even though they themselves are corrupt. Its pretty simple

  • @JoeTheLion60
    @JoeTheLion60 Рік тому +2

    Farrell deliberately drives hard up and into the tackle..one arm tucked away - leading with his shoulder - boy those Aussie panel members were sold a big dummy by the Better Call Saul lawyer...

  • @tomjones1424
    @tomjones1424 Рік тому +2

    Why not scrap the mitigation rule and just give 6 weeks for direct head contact. Keep it simple.

    • @renewablefuelsanalyst8263
      @renewablefuelsanalyst8263 Рік тому

      simple means their darling teams will lose and not get away with murder. This also means that teams will now play with anger when they play england i.e. farrel. and when you play with uncontrolled emotion, you have already lost. Just keep an eye out for anyone that does something against owen farrel in the world cup and see how they throw the rule book at them

  • @michaelchampion3056
    @michaelchampion3056 Рік тому

    Totally disgusting and those on the Panel should never be allowed to sit on any panel again

  • @howardkock3816
    @howardkock3816 Рік тому +2

    The players of other teams should sign a petition for him to be banned from the WC

  • @souljives
    @souljives Рік тому +3

    World Rugby aka RFU priviledging ENG players of course

    • @jonesyjones7626
      @jonesyjones7626 Рік тому

      Yeah right, Australians are well known for giving the English breaks in sport. I think your comment rather reflects your own bias.

  • @robinfeldman4412
    @robinfeldman4412 Рік тому +4

    It was a shocking decision. If the panel did their job and viewed the available footage they would clearly see a pattern. Any of the players that have recently been shown red cards should appeal to them and with good representation and based on the panels decision on Farrell's incident should have them overturned.

  • @clivesymons853
    @clivesymons853 Рік тому +1

    Farrel will get away with it, forevermore! (friends in the right places). If he takes a tackle like that, the offender would be banned for life!!

  • @JopSmit
    @JopSmit Рік тому +1

    Only a coward tackles like him. Too scared to make proper contact!!!

  • @robertpaquet755
    @robertpaquet755 Рік тому +1

    Farrell should be charged with assault in a court

    • @dexstewart2450
      @dexstewart2450 Рік тому

      Volenti fit Injura - look it up

    • @robertpaquet755
      @robertpaquet755 Рік тому

      I hear that the decision is being appealed and that Farrell might miss the RWC altogether. @@dexstewart2450

  • @deepaknambisan3251
    @deepaknambisan3251 Рік тому +1

    Thoughtful, measured and persuasive video. Newly subscribed. Thank you 🙏🏾

  • @rafaelgutierrez8983
    @rafaelgutierrez8983 6 місяців тому +1

    I disagree with all you guys, Farrell should not be banned from playing Rugby, he should be banned from the face of the Earth.

  • @FrankTheTank_147
    @FrankTheTank_147 Рік тому +5

    He’s kak anyway so doesn’t matter if he plays. But ja they need to suspend him regardless!!!

  • @honahwikeepa2115
    @honahwikeepa2115 Рік тому +2

    Shocking..

  • @marconel
    @marconel Рік тому +1

    What I find problematic is where the focus is taken off of the tackler. It shouldn't matter what the tackled person or anyone else does when it doesn't impact on the tackler. To explain, if the tackled player steps (significant and sudden) does that alleviate the tackler of the responsibility to not make contact with the player's head? There was nothing impacting the actions of Farrell in this case. He didn't trip or get pushed. He was able to take his time and line up the other player. If he wanted to, he could have wrapped around the waist. Instead, he is chest high as he typically always is. If forwards can get low, he should have no excuse.

  • @AC-hu3xk
    @AC-hu3xk Рік тому +4

    IRB will not do anything. Who is the boss of IRB . From which country.😅

    • @johnsmithwinkwink1704
      @johnsmithwinkwink1704 Рік тому

      Yep, it's Alan Gilpin A POM.

    • @dexstewart2450
      @dexstewart2450 Рік тому

      The iRB doesn't exist - and perhaps you need to have a basic understanding of the Board structure of World Rugby, and the role of the non-voting Chair. You lot are REALLY late to the game when it comes to being anti-English - we've been fighting them since the 4thC.

  • @gillesduquesnoy4283
    @gillesduquesnoy4283 Рік тому +1

    Dirty player, dirty decision !

  • @andresdeks
    @andresdeks Рік тому +1

    In all future matches Farrel opponents will be required to stand still so that he can line up his tackle correctly. Now that is determined, how are we going to get the arms to lift and wrap, mmm

  • @DirkJacobsz
    @DirkJacobsz Рік тому +1

    Farrell - is a dirty player - always high - no wraps with intent to hurt - like Butch James - it is terrible for rugby that England is above the law - he should be banned for 8 weeks -as he has been to tackle school.

  • @terencefargher6760
    @terencefargher6760 Рік тому +1

    Excellent review, fully agree with everything you said.

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому

      Thank you 🙏 appreciate the support

  • @waynesimpson1852
    @waynesimpson1852 Рік тому +1

    Owen actually started to move towards the player in an upright position. He had full eye contact of the player.
    Why didn't he raise his arms to brace for the impending contact, to either protect himself or tackle the player legally?
    Moving your arms is a faster reaction than attempting to alter your main body position.
    He had done this on numerous occasions and had had no real sanction.
    Remember what he'll Hitch James went through on his career when the rules weren't even as stringent as today.
    I call bullshit on World Rugby for this overturning of the referee's decision.

    • @waynesimpson1852
      @waynesimpson1852 Рік тому +1

      Correction: "Butch James". Damn spellcheck!!:-)))

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому +1

      Hi Wayne. Can appreciate your analysis here. Taking the emotion out of the fact that it is Owen Farrell, Nigel Owens agrees with the fact that Farrell had contravened the law and it should be red

  • @Birkguitars
    @Birkguitars Рік тому +1

    What concerns me most about this debate is how it is being presented with terns such as "corrupt". People have different opinions but I think we need to tone down the language if we are going to find a way through. Keith Woods is thus far the only person I have heard say explicitly: take Farrell out of the equation. Woods view is that there are elements of this form of tackle which increase the risk of head contact to an unacceptable degree. Bringing that back to Farrell his technique does involve tackling at upper chest level with hands at waist level and with his weight forward. This is a strong body position maximising the chances of a dominant tackle. It also maximises the chances of inadvertent head contact which I believe was Keith Woods point. If the ball carrier deviates even slightly from their path either laterally or 0vertically there is an increased chance of head contact and the tscklers body position means that such head contact carries high risk. But the technique itself is legal. And that seems to be the crux of the polarisation. Basham's direction of travel moved about a yard to his right under pressure from George. His head also dropped about six inches. End result was that Farrell turned to his left bringing his right shoulder further forward thereby exaggerating Farrell's tendency, I presume based on him being right handed, to favour his right side for strong tackles and putting the shoulder nto direct contact with Basham. Farrell is two inches taller than Basham so if Bashsm dips even slightly his head is going to be at Farrell's shoulder height. For those thinking I am making excuses for Farrell in presenting things this way I am not because up to this point I have not offered any interpretation to say whether or not I agree with the red card or whether I agree with Keith Woods that the issue is not really with Farrell but with the technique. To be honest I can't reach a conclusion on that. I watch rugby but haven't played in over 40 years so I feel unqualified to say what the laws should be. As a spectator I am concerned that too many games are being decided not by the teams but by the red cards. In most cases a red card = a loss. Keith Woods said if you ban this tackling technique the red cards would get it out of the game within a year but people have been saying that for several years about the current laws yet they are still happening. Back to the point about Farrell. A lawyer will tell you that evidence of previous offences is rarely helpful in deciding whether someone is guilty in a subsequent case. My view is that Farrell has committed bad tackles in the past particularly the clothes line one in the video but we have to view this case on its facts. Also Farrell tackles with a high risk of error and for that I think can rightly be criticised but that comes back to Keith Woods point about the technique rather than the player. Everyone will come to their own conclusion on whether in this case a red card was justified. Some will see mitigation and some will not. Some will see a high risk tackle that goes wrong while others will not. Both views are understandable. Some voices seem to have concluded that any head contact should result in a red card but that risks deciding the outcome of a game through sheer bad luck. I have yet to hear anyone explain clearly how we balance player safety with the physicality of full contact sport without creating random outcomes through bad luck accident or pure chance. That is a much more important question than whether Farrell should get a red card because it is that question which determine the next steps for the game as a whole.

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому

      Thanks for contributing. Some valid points indeed 👍🏻

    • @Birkguitars
      @Birkguitars Рік тому

      @@RugbyNow_ 👍

  • @graeme8768
    @graeme8768 Рік тому

    That guy is as dirty as they come. Why does he consistently get away with this?
    I think the panel should be put under review and the only finding is that they were untruthful. Any idiot can see that's Farrels standard move.

  • @jaytelso3921
    @jaytelso3921 Рік тому

    This is BS! The rugby lawmakers have no more credibility!!!

  • @impresscoaching
    @impresscoaching Рік тому

    He was clearly bending for a low tackle and straightened up as George's influence changed the line. Too much emotion is involved in Farrel's cases.

  • @TheBordelix
    @TheBordelix Рік тому +1

    Good balanced video (I like that the impact of a good representative was taken into account it explains why top flight players get away with much more since they can afford better lawyers).
    As an England fan the ref got it 100% right and the continued impunity for OF is a frustation both for the high tackles and his continued selection even when not the form player.
    Having said that I don't think their is any lack of credibility in the process and in my view if the end committee decision is debatable the actual process worked since there is also an interest in not killing the sport because the TMO has to make a decision under pressure in 10 minutes and the refs decision is itself immediate - I quite like the idea of a yellow with a bunker review to see if that should be red. Maybe the solution would be to ban representatives from the committee process?
    Whilst I think that the red should have been maintained I can also see how the shove from Jamie G pushed Biggar across the point of impact which then turned OF whilst Biggar drops marginally. Again OF is too high for me so I'm pretty sure that the tackle would have been high anyway and the committee's decision is wrong.
    Ironically other countries will be happy about this since England actually looked like they had a clue when he was binned...

  • @flmngdj
    @flmngdj Рік тому

    as an Eglishman, i have to agree with the rugbynow guy - this is a red all day long - what a pickle

  • @theuntalentedone3527
    @theuntalentedone3527 Рік тому +3

    I’m a fan of tough physical players especially when it’s a back or smaller player who tries to punch above their weight physically and OF is definitely one of them. I think the RWC needs the best players playing and OF is again definitely one of them. In saying all of this, the rescinded red is a diabolical decision, especially when compared to other incidents of a similar or worse nature. George Moala for example. Iykyk. Of course the powers that be will have all the “reasons” in the world for overturning the red and will stick to the narrative and we the rugby public will just have to live with it. What’s new?! And it’s the committee who are to blame here. The buck stops with them. They are the bad guys. They should all hand in their resignation forthwith and then uppercut themselves. I’m glad OF is playing (so far) England need him and I love watching him. He is not the bad guy here, the committee is. I hope the fans don’t take it out on him. I know the media will (all but England).
    All Blacks for the win babyyyy!!!!!

  • @Milin1977
    @Milin1977 Рік тому +1

    Clearly, there is not equality in the treatments WRU give to the national teams. Juan Cruz Mallia, who hit Grant Williams when trying to block a kick, was given 3 weeks suspension even when the officials and the TMO at the Pumas-Springboks match considered it was accidentaly. And you can see that, even when Mallia was reckless, in any way was he trying to hit the kicker. Here you can clearly see how Farrell stands ready to hit the runner with the shoulder, there is no change of direction as you rightful said in the video -his teammate never pushed him- and Farrell doesnt even try to make a tackle, his arms are always in rest position. I laugh when people trying to convince than rugby is more equal than football. Yes, is far more clean, but when the times comes right, WRU and the "independent" committe has no shame to take a clearly fair sanction, who, if they would have use the same level of rigurosity the used on Mallia, sure would have been at least 6 weeks and a bye bye to, at least, the first round of the WRC. Hope is only inequality from officers and no money involved. Cheers

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому

      Thanks for the contribution 👍🏻

  • @harryjerks
    @harryjerks Рік тому

    As an England fan, I can say that they have been a pack of goons for at least a decade now. I'd like to see some smart rugby without Farrel on the pitch.

  • @shireendaniels3055
    @shireendaniels3055 Рік тому

    Bill Beaumont protecting Farrell and England players.Get rid of Bill Beaumont

  • @TheOKamigo
    @TheOKamigo Рік тому

    It's a shoulder butt to the head. The guy should be banned. He's obviously well connected with the father and the old boys club. A corrupt decision.

  • @davidjames4179
    @davidjames4179 Рік тому

    The red card should've stood.
    He has a long history of dangerous tackling.
    He should serve a lengthy ban. He's just a dirty little bastard who thinks he's above the law.

  • @johnkenny694
    @johnkenny694 Рік тому

    Was he sent to Tackling School a few times? don't look like he learned much!! SHOCKING!!!!!

  • @hayleydavison6373
    @hayleydavison6373 Рік тому

    Now Vunipola!! I wonder if he gets the same treatment.

  • @MartinBurt-oi5vi
    @MartinBurt-oi5vi Рік тому

    As I understand it the panel that cleared him were all Australian, where is the conspiracy…I don’t see it.

  • @mikespencer4922
    @mikespencer4922 Рік тому

    Farrel is Royal Game. Untouchable. The dirtiest player in a dirty team. When was there ever three players binned at the same time????

  • @moenierbenjamin9733
    @moenierbenjamin9733 Рік тому

    World rugby are blind..we are cameras as spectators. ..from south africa

  • @user-lf4zk9dt9g
    @user-lf4zk9dt9g Рік тому

    Farrell should be suspended for a couple of games. It's not his first and won't be his last

  • @lowspec42
    @lowspec42 Рік тому

    When slowed down it looks awful - a clear red with no mitigating factors.
    But at full speed I'm not so sure. It all happens so fast, and in that context I think any slight change in direction could be enough to effect where contact occurs and prevent wrapping.
    Whether that's enough to rescind the red card... no, I'm not convinced. But I do see the argument.

    • @renewablefuelsanalyst8263
      @renewablefuelsanalyst8263 Рік тому

      intent matters. Farrel intended to shoulder charge the other player. If he attempted to wrap arms but the change in line cause the player to hit his shoulder I would agree with you but Farrel is very very very well known to tackle exactly like this. ua-cam.com/video/Lb4Q8Wa51Hc/v-deo.html

  • @joselongo1601
    @joselongo1601 Рік тому

    An Argentinian player just got two weeks of suspensión for an unintentional hit when he jump to block a kick ...😂

  • @damiandennis7997
    @damiandennis7997 Рік тому +1

    I don’t think they sell cheeseburgers at Twickenham…

  • @jameslochridge4265
    @jameslochridge4265 Рік тому

    Farrell and a lot of English players get away with dirty play, but Farrell is the perfect example of someone who should be banned from rugby for the safety of everyone else.

  • @petes6587
    @petes6587 Рік тому

    Playing on or just over the edge of the rules is fine if you take the punishment and move on.
    The disturbing thing is the England rugby set up persuading three Aussie officials that: black is white and that Owen Farrell alone provides too big a finacial return to not go to the world cup.
    That the England officials even try this piffle is far more offensive than anything Farrell did.

  • @johnocal27
    @johnocal27 Рік тому +1

    first gets yellow, then gets upgraded to red, after game gets downgraded back to yellow, and now will more then likely get upgraded back to red :)

  • @keiths2079
    @keiths2079 Рік тому

    Comment sense prevails at last Farrell is a persistent and habitual reoffender and as always got away with it ….someone will get seriously injured by this individual and world rugby will have to take full responsibility.
    Why does he always get away with it ….every single time , this is the question we are all asking our selves .

  • @mlisto293
    @mlisto293 Рік тому

    Owen is Rugby Royalty…

  • @kobuswelgemoed433
    @kobuswelgemoed433 Рік тому +1

    He should be banned for life the thug

  • @marieadams3720
    @marieadams3720 Рік тому

    Definite red card but bigger problem is the connection between head injuries and brain damage currently subject of big class action suit.

  • @lappieswerk
    @lappieswerk 10 місяців тому

    This guy cant tackle. He is afraid to tackle. He was bullied when he was a child. Mofgat

  • @georgesnoek4628
    @georgesnoek4628 Рік тому

    So breaking rugby rules is OK as long as you have a great lawyer? Player must face a disciplinary committee on his own maybe

  • @garys6135
    @garys6135 Рік тому

    It won't be applied evenly that's a joke .

  • @ledman9135
    @ledman9135 Рік тому +1

    I notice a trend for refs to continually penalize a team in the first 15 -20min and it has an effect of disrupting the team and breaking their momentum and giving advantage to the other team, the penalty count gets balanced in the late second half. All looks kosha in the end.... that's my 2 cents worth.

    • @renewablefuelsanalyst8263
      @renewablefuelsanalyst8263 Рік тому +1

      I have seen that as well. Penalize and demoralize the team and when they are far enough behind, start penalizing the other team so that it looks like the bad calls went both ways. Its so brilliant by the corrupt refereeing body. Bloody amazingly corrupt

  • @chrisdeclerq7042
    @chrisdeclerq7042 Рік тому

    Guilty 😮

  • @nardusellis655
    @nardusellis655 Рік тому

    Bad refereeing killing the sport of rugby....!!!!!

  • @davidmorgan7590
    @davidmorgan7590 Рік тому

    Dirty player plain and simple. Always has been, always will be

  • @ravineshgosai8511
    @ravineshgosai8511 Рік тому

    can the decision be re-appealed? If not then this world cup will be a joke full of controversy.

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому

      Latest news is World Rugby will be appealing the decision made by the independent judicial committee. No confirmation yet on whether this will happen today/ tomorrow

  • @fredoboomer5477
    @fredoboomer5477 Рік тому

    better give the world cup to england right now and stop this WORLD RUGBY comedy . i am french by the way

  • @paulofollowtheredsohes5180
    @paulofollowtheredsohes5180 Рік тому

    Rugby corruption.

  • @porcupineinapettingzoo
    @porcupineinapettingzoo Рік тому

    I think it's simply a case of a bunch of" that was fine in my day" blazers who miss the kinda rugby that was around when they were young and are looking for any mitigation to take away the card.

  • @pietkearns9424
    @pietkearns9424 Рік тому

    Filthy Farrel issue is a joke but he this is what is to be expected from the one eyed pommies. This filthy player has been guilty of this for years and the fact that is getting away with it continuously is an utter disgrace.

  • @georgesolomon3538
    @georgesolomon3538 Рік тому

    Why everytime does he get off the hook. Is it because he is the son of someone powerful in English rugby. All of you who overturned the red card is hurting Rugby and you must be be careful what you are doing. There will come a day when Farrell is going to brake someone's nek

  • @kobuswelgemoed433
    @kobuswelgemoed433 Рік тому

    See world rugby did appeal the decision

  • @jacobuspaulusmarais3086
    @jacobuspaulusmarais3086 Рік тому

    This is why watching one of my favourite sport events is no longer so. Rugby has become a total farce because of the interpretations of the rules.

  • @garthlivingstone5764
    @garthlivingstone5764 Рік тому

    Hey....it's not a game for woosies. He will have small, timid, soft Boks to account to sometime. May he leave the field, not on his feet, but on a stretcher with a neck brace and his dad holding his hand as they depart.

  • @diegomartinez7420
    @diegomartinez7420 Рік тому

    Rugby is a truly profesional sport now. As such, interests, money and power rules. To start just guestimated how much $ this case is generating on ink, videos, TV & Radio shows….All players are created equal, but some are more equal than others. Kiss goodby to the rugby we used to enjoy. New sport which will be continually evolving.

  • @kobusgerber5436
    @kobusgerber5436 Рік тому

    😮Red card

  • @jipagola
    @jipagola Рік тому

    Is that Farrel guy still playing?

    • @RugbyNow_
      @RugbyNow_  Рік тому

      Yes. He is at the World Cup with England. Still serving out his ban time but will play in their 3rd pool match of the RWC

  • @kb8796
    @kb8796 Рік тому

    The committee and WR is run by old boys that still lives in the past the game has changed over the years we need new young guys there.WR and committee is a big joke

  • @G_Alipo
    @G_Alipo Рік тому

    Mark my words England won't win anything this world cup

  • @paulrooy371
    @paulrooy371 Рік тому

    Christ mate!How late are you to the party? WR has already announced they are appealing the verdict of those dodgy Aussies 😂

  • @Matt-uj6jm
    @Matt-uj6jm Рік тому

    Thug and coward English rugby corrupt 🔥

  • @gmmill66
    @gmmill66 Рік тому

    Bull×^¢t red card all-day long Ashton got a red for exactly the same or less in his last game what's so special about Owen

  • @danielf4503
    @danielf4503 Рік тому

    Let's forget who is involved
    .... . . The 3:18 consequences for rugby at large might relegate the sport to a form of gladiator blood sport.

  • @neillpatrickpatton8990
    @neillpatrickpatton8990 Рік тому

    RIGGED I tell you!!!