I own a Spear LT and had to send the upper in to Sig for them to remove my muzzle device. In the notes that they sent back to me, it says, "replaced upper receiver." They had to turn on that thing so hard they must've warped it and had to give me a knew one. If you do get a Spear LT and can't remove the flash hider under a normal amount of torque, email Sig and have them do it for you because it's free, and if they mess something up they'll have to replace it.
I got instructions from them very early on and they said to clamp the gas block and soak the muzzle device in water because it has rockset. I got instructions from them like three months later out of curiosity and they no longer recommended that... oof shoots great though haha.
The only issue I see there is why not just run an AK. Like, on Sig's part it's cool to develop it I guess even though they should have spent that time not needing multiple generations to make an acceptable rifle, but from the end user stand point an MCX still stands out as special. An AK with a red dot and white light are a lot less conspicuous than an expensive and rare rifle.
I got the muzzle device off my Virtus by boiling the end of the barrel for 10 minutes and then using a vice. Came right off! Before that I was about to get a hernia trying to muscle the thing off!
I tried getting the muzzle device off by boiling it, soaking it for 24 hours (as suggested by Sig when I called them), muscling it off...everything and had to take it to a gunsmith for removal. It messed up multiple gunsmith tools I used trying to get it off.
yup I cracked the clamp on my 11.5 556 trying to remove the muzzle device but this has since then gotten better. later batches are now easier to remove... I've since then picked up the 300blk variant and the muzzle device came off with 25/35ftlb on a open ended 7/8th wrench without having to dissolve the rocksett
I bought one at my local gun store a couple of weeks ago and I approve. I was thinking the same thing after I took it out on why the DOD didn’t just go with this instead of it’s bigger brother. My gunsmith did charge me double after he removed the muzzle device. He said he’s never seen that much Rocksett before
@@Flcop177 I get that but private snuffy can barely handle a 5.56. My point being that it will be better utilized taking the place of a 240 than everyone having to lug it around. The Spear LT would be great for the private snuffy’s
@@John-yv6vothey’re not going to issue it to everyone. They’re going to keep using M4’s in a squad, just having two or more using the SPEAR for that reaching out capability.
If anyone craps on the quick barrel change option for having to re-sight in, they should also remember that sig has sold full upper assembles for the MCX and will sell them for this too. So yes you can swap uppers to avoid re-sighting or use a more suitable optic too.
I have a ~ 6 inch barrel for 300 BLK and an 11.5 inch for 5.56. That's exactly how I set mine up. Why? Because the trajectories are so different and so are my optics choices. So I equip the "5.56 UPPER" with an optic(s) that covers 0-300+ yards and once its dialed in for my ammo choice I never have to worry about it getting out of zero (like it does when u do a barrel change). i know its $$ but if your going Sig get your wallet out and ante up. So depending on the mission (I'm stretching it here) I pick the correct caliber of UPPER and I can have full confidence I have not lost my baseline alignment. I have 2 choices for my suppressor (one is higher pressure rating - 5.56/.300 super/.300 sub) and the other is a lighter and shorter 300. In theory its "perfect". But you do have to keep the mags for 5.56 separate/distinctly marked from the 300 mags and make it as idiot proof as you can. I have no desire to add 1 pound more with the MW stock but I understand that it could help in some configs to balance things out
I never got the idea of quick change barrels on guns that have unserialized uppers. I have multiple AR uppers, I would also have multiple MCX uppers. The SCAR gets a pass, maybe, but it's a SCAR so it sort of lives in a state mediocrity.
@acdrz125 it does from a military procurement. Everything is already in place to train around the zeroing issue, it costs less (allegedly) and instead of carrying around a full upper, that troop who's already carrying a lot of weight is only carrying a barrel. But for the average civilian who probably isn't going to be landnaving for miles with a 40lb rucksack, large lvl 4 plates 2-300+ rounds of ammo and other gear, a full upper just makes a lot more sense.
It’s called the “LT” because it’s the 5.56 version of the sig spear in 6.8. It the same idea as the scar L(5.56) vs scar H(7.62). Weight is not the primary reason it’s called “light.” (Although it IS lighter than the sig spear)
@@Chrisblau Like a sewing machine. Currently using a SRD762Ti-QD can, waiting on F4 approval on a DA Sandman-S but may get a SLX series can down the road.
I own one of these. I purchased the 16 inch variant and did a form-1 on it so I could run it with the 11.5 barrel/handguard combo. I've got ~1100 rounds of Frontier 5.56 75gr HPBT through it, most of that through the 16 inch. 100% agree with your assessment at the end. THIS is what the military should be adopting. The XM7/M5/whatever they're designating the Sig Spear is a great gun but it's like 12lbs with optic and suppressor. It would make excellent sense as a designated marksman rifle in a squad, and sharing ammo with the new replacement for the M249 makes a lot of sense. Great capability. But for the regular riflemen? The LT version is the way to go. I'm pretty sure SIG already built it to be capable of handling a "Fury" 80,000 PSI version of the 5.56, given the robust bolt lugs, replacable steel cartridge deflector and high/low gas settings. A 77gr OTM moving out at ~2900 FPS from an 11.5 barrel would dramatically improve on the current general-issue M4. The elephant in the room....is that the handguard STILL does not retain zero, despite the additional 2 screws. A hard knock from either side can easily shift it 3-4 MOA, which I verified on paper using back up irons. The same would apply to anyone running any of the various active aiming IR lasers out front. I've installed the Arisaka zero retention clamp on mine and I'd consider it adequate...on the 11.5 inch. But on the 16 inch civilian model, the handguard is long enough that the extra leverage it provides will still result in a shift of 1-2 MOA with a hard knock from the side. Future red-dot systems will incorporate DBAL-esque capabilities into the mount (I know there's a couple that already do) and that will eliminate this issue and dramatically decrease the front heaviness of these weapons when they're fully equipped. That said....as it stands...there's still enough zero shift in the handguards that passive aiming past 50m with this system is, IMO, a no-go (admittedly, that means it's fine for the vast majority of passive use..but not all.) I've tested it using the manufacturer specs for torque on the screws (both Sig's specs and Arisaka's for the clamp), and even tried going a bit higher in torque and it just doesn't retain zero as advertised. It's a lot better than the Virtus, but not 100%. Still....amazing gun. The extended upper receiver provides a stable mount for clip-on thermals, so I'm going to have a lot of fun with night coyote hunts in the 16-inch configuration once the fields are harvested, and the 11.5 suppresses great and gives me (left handed) so much less gas to the face. And....it's silly accurate for a combat rifle.
Thanks for the detailed review and insight bro. Some of it I didn't understand, because I'm coming to still understand guns. And learning the different models of the spear. But yeah I appreciate it.
Regarding hand guard & shifting zero…isn’t the upper monolithic, so if lasers & other accessories are mounted at 12 o’clock, there shouldn’t be zero shift? Not that it’s ok if anything mounted anywhere else on the hand guard experiences zero shifts…asking for clarification. To be clear, I’m not an LT owner, just curious.
@@methodsocratic only the first 8 or so inches are monolithic to the upper. The rest depends on the hand-guard. You'd have to mount your night vision unit well behind the muzzle to take advantage of that. Not sure that matters too much, because we're....really damn close to all of that functionality being in the optic, so the hand-guard doesn't matter...but...well, there it is.
It was entertaining watching the CGS guy talking about a Griffin can. Great video, really appreciate the fact you used some different stuff then the industry meta.
I just got my LT upper, I tried to change out the flash hider device for one for a Banish 30 Gold. I couldn’t budge it. I put it in the vise, heated it with a heat gun, broke it free with a big pipe wrench, still trashed it, but thought it would be cheaper than shipping it back, sure hope the torque didn’t damage the upper? Great video. Keep an eye on that giant leprechaun, they can be violent, I saw the movie.
Love my spear! Sold the peq recently and waiting for that eotech laser to hit the market. I had to send my upper back to sig to get the flash hider off.
I’ve bought strictly DD for all my rifles up to this point, was going to get a DDM4 PDW when the spear lt came out. My local gun shop got one of the 300 BLK versions in that I immediately picked up. Absolutely freakin love that gun in 300 BLK, can’t wait until I find a suppressor in stock to throw on their proprietary muzzle device. Great review!
I was going to get a HB SD when it came out. I still went with the HB SD since i got it for just over msrp after tax and tax stamps. Plus, harder to find a HB SD than it is a LT. seen plenty LTs at different local gun stores. No they don’t last long but my favorite one said if i want one out of his next shipment oet him know and he’ll hold one for me.
You can always change out the muzzle device … I threw a lantac dragon on my 9” .300bk spear LT, and it doubled as a suppressor host for a silencerco. Also, with .300bk burning the vast majority (if not all) of it’s powder within 9”, you can throw a ridiculously harsh brake (such as the dragon) on it, and because there’s not a bunch of unburnt powder coming out the end all at once like you normally see with short barrels, it’s nothing like the ear drum crushing concussive blast you expect from a strong brake, but you still get the excellent reduction in muzzle rise (lantac dragons are known to make some guns have “reverse muzzle rise,” where the gun starts to track down toward the ground in full auto)
I built a poor man’s spear lt, brownells brn-180 13.9” 5.56, aero m4e1 lower, and the strike industries dual folder. As left handed person I out the usual lefty stuff on, radian raptor and ambi safety, Geiselle maritime bolt catch, the dual folder, and it’s been great, I pin and welded a solgw nox, and I’m running an ab a-10 warthog with the keymo adapter. It’s my favorite rifle now.
I have the new griffin explorr waiting and this dual lock in 556. I’ve found that the only way to run a can is with the caliber matching the can bore. It’s so much better
Gorgeous video, as always. Boy, Sig sure seems to bring out some nastiness in people. I think this is a fair review… I own the 16” version. I would’ve been happy to lend it to you to put it through its paces. I changed the muzzle device on mine and got lucky to have one that was fairly easy to remove. I’m not a Sig fan boy, but I do own a few. I’d love to see you guys review the new 226 X Five… it’s one of the recent pistols I’ve purchased. It’s a beast, but I’m not sure it is better shooting than my CZ TS2. Anyhow, thanks for the time,energy and re$ources you put into this phenomenal channel. 🍻
Sig's flash hider is rocksett on. How I got mine off was easy. I soaked the end of the barrel and flash hider in boiling water for 20 minutes. Then used a AAC 3 prong flash hider tool and my 3/8 drive impact wrench. Spin's it right off. BUT remember the barrel is tapered behind the threads (25'). You will need a Sig Part "Taper-Cap-556" to adapt the barrel to a square shoulder for the new muzzle device. I'm using a Dead Air Key-Mo 3 prong.
Well I have a Spear Lt with an eotech on it. And while I only have about 100 rounds through it, I like it. I'll have to watch for a bendy barrel now. I assume you all are not talking about barrel whip which all rifles experience? Anyway thanks for a great vid @1911 Syndicate!
Haven’t gotten far into the video but if they’re talking about barrel bending, it’s probably referring to the way you can “bend” the barrel with slight pressure due to the way the barrel and hand guard mate to the receiver. Basically misaligning the barrel and definitely losing zero until the barrel realigns itself during shooting
If I’m not mistaken they’re considering this the “LT” or “light” version compared to the sig spear in 308 w the charging handle bc it’s even bigger and heavier
A year later, Sig released a "Ranch" version of this before they or anyone else made an SD handguard comparable to their Virtus handguards that tucked the best suppressors available (1.75 Outer diameter cans like the Hyperions, Nelsons or their own sig SRD762Ti-QD) Until they do I can't "upgrade". My Virtus uppers ride Radian ADAC lowers that dookie on the LTs and adds a true advantage/benefit for righties. The 12in and 16in Sig SD handguards are perfect for my 6.75in/Half-Nelson Truck gun and 9in/Hyperion DT Home defense gun. My ADAC rare Parker Mountain Tommy 3 position safety would swap into the LT, I'd have to buy a new Arisaka ZRC but it exists, so the 1.75+ ID handguard is the only thing keeping Sig from getting more of my money.
Hey Jake, in the time between you filming this review and now, have you noticed any issues with the barrel shift and the lack of return to center that I’ve seen a few videos on?
And..... a double fukin rainbow?!!! Welp, I am no longer Clinically depressed and feel like I have purpose. Happy to see the the old stomping grounds for this review. And holy Jebus, Crispy and those clean images in the B roll! A really solid boyez - Rock out🤘🏼and peace out! ✌🏼
It’s most likely not the barrel, but the handguard. I took it off and the barrel didn’t move, put the handguard back on but didn’t put the screws in and saw the handguard moving from side to side. Put the screws back in a torqued to 60 inch pounds and it didn’t move. My theory is, is that the screws aren’t properly torqued down.
What I don't like is that stock, if I can change it and get a Maxim Defense one PDW that would be great, and it will shorten up the rifle making it an excellent CQB.
@@1911syndicate yeah, and I get that. It's just that for me and I'm just speaking for me and experience a good short maneuverable rifle is what I'm looking for, a piston rifle with that stock for close combat, able to go around and cut corners and still be able to reach out and touch someone at up to 250 yards. What I call a quick engagement rifle, to clear buildings if need be or able to shoot out of a vehicle and have enough room to move in the vehicle, also I like that Eotech.
I am looking for a .308 BR/AR10 and cannot decide between the REPR, PREDATQBR, HK and SCAR. The Galil was my choice, but the lack of last round bolt hold was a deal breaker! Any advice?
I got my type A contractor about a year ago, and I've used my friend's spear LT. Let's just say the Type A contractor is everything the spear LT wishes it was.
Regardless of manufacturer, I'm excited for the next gen AR. Its not so much what it does better than AR15 (suppression), its about what it does different. The price is what it is to get a updated design, good suppression, ambi controls, easy caliber swaps and folding stock. Optimistic it gets the side charging handle at some point and that SIG gets the issues worked out. So far I haven't seen shown barrel/handguard flex impacts shooting. What can happen during operation is very different than what happens stationary. Be better if it didn't, for the confidence.
I train with a buddy of mine who has owned Griffin cans for years and has always spoken highly of them. I bought one of their 300blk complete uppers and it’s really nice but has been finicky with different types of ammo. I’m definitely interested in my next can bring their can in this video. I own a couple SilencerCo cans but looking to get one of the flow cans for DI systems especially
Their numbers are strange to me, and their cans don't really impress me, _BUT_ their cam-lok system for pistols suppressors seems god damn genius and I'll be getting the parts. Good news is my Wolfman won't have any booster parts so I won't feel bad about having unused pistons lying around.
Unfortunately budget dictated I could only afford 1 sig….so I personally went with the mcx spear .308 in 13” form. The overbuilt tank of a di 5.56 I built while reviewing gun review videos was still cheaper overall than the spear lt….and I won’t part with it to buy a stock rifle. Adm4 receiver set, centurion 12.5” barrel with SA agb, cross machine tool hdx mod3 quadrail, solgw loyal 9 a5, tubbs 42 coil, kynshot rb5005 a5, FCD a5 castle nut, 3qd endplate, mk grip, FCD safety and dust cover, Geissele ssa-e X lightning bow, PlxC 1-8x, 6315rf plan b with polonium, 75g Hornady tap. Still under $2500.
Coming from owning several Sig 516’s I was impressed with how it shot. Lot’s of positives. I didn’t have many rounds down range on the platform but for the little I saw I was encouraged. Great Content. Give me a reason to come back to Utah, I’ll be the 1st one back…1st thoughts when I land (Syndicate watch on my left hand) it’s about time.
All you have to do to get it off is soak it in warm water for a bit...😂 Every guntuber has run into this, I forget who Sig wrote back telling them, but yeah...
If you’ve seen tomorrow war then “the big boy” round makes more sense,add in all the talk of aliens and how they’re unfriendly lately and they needed a spicier round.
I didn't really see much flash footage on the dual-lok. How was shooting it under nods? Were you getting a lot of autogating? Also, all you have to do to look up Sig's CEO early life on his wiki to understand why his company is hoovering up military contracts.
@@1911syndicate fair, same ask though and not a knock against you! Great vid but what does this have over a premium AR15 or Scar. Nothing. I like them but it’s not worth it.
Jake is not being body positive today
Not once ever.
Good
You gotta turn up the cognitive dissonance to justify a SIG purchase.
Fat=fitphobic
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I own a Spear LT and had to send the upper in to Sig for them to remove my muzzle device. In the notes that they sent back to me, it says, "replaced upper receiver." They had to turn on that thing so hard they must've warped it and had to give me a knew one. If you do get a Spear LT and can't remove the flash hider under a normal amount of torque, email Sig and have them do it for you because it's free, and if they mess something up they'll have to replace it.
Haha I don’t why they’re do that with the muzzle devices
@@1911syndicatewords are hard!! Lol 😂
EXACTLY!!! Just might be 6 weeks before you get it back tho Lol
@Josh Major I got mine back in exactly 1 week
I got instructions from them very early on and they said to clamp the gas block and soak the muzzle device in water because it has rockset. I got instructions from them like three months later out of curiosity and they no longer recommended that... oof shoots great though haha.
Came for the Spear review, stayed for the EOTech OGL. Thanks guys love the channel.
thank you sir we love you
same but stayed for the rainbow
Not for the rainbows?😂
isn't this the 11.5 barrell?@@Chrisblau
Is there and Eotech with just the visible laser?
Owner of a Virtus and I'm shooting it ALOT....its solid and reliable. The factory trigger is great. 0 issues.
We should all pause and appreciate the influence the Russians had with the stock. Thanks to Midwest for making one that is easier for everyone to get.
Not wrong
Your photographer did WORK on those stills and edits. Much respect.
Why thank you
The 7.62x39 version was also developed for the military guys that do work in countries we aren’t suppose to be in. That was from a Sig rep
I could see that. Why not be chambered in the common round wherever your at?
The only issue I see there is why not just run an AK. Like, on Sig's part it's cool to develop it I guess even though they should have spent that time not needing multiple generations to make an acceptable rifle, but from the end user stand point an MCX still stands out as special. An AK with a red dot and white light are a lot less conspicuous than an expensive and rare rifle.
I can attest to this, FYI SOCOM has ordered 7.62x39 kits for their Spears being used in Ukraine, that way no one knows who is shooting who.
Africa too. Most use 7.62x39 there
17 minutes of gun content, 22 minutes looking at rainbows. It was like watching a baby with a bag of nickels. Seriously, good review guys.
Hahahaha
Enamored by rainbows, yet everyone thinks he's going to hell. Something's off
I got the muzzle device off my Virtus by boiling the end of the barrel for 10 minutes and then using a vice. Came right off!
Before that I was about to get a hernia trying to muscle the thing off!
Yep! It's rocksett definitely!
That’s how rockset works. Needs Boiled off. Forcing, burning won’t break the adhesive
I tried getting the muzzle device off by boiling it, soaking it for 24 hours (as suggested by Sig when I called them), muscling it off...everything and had to take it to a gunsmith for removal. It messed up multiple gunsmith tools I used trying to get it off.
Gotta make sure your using those sig cans 😂
Great video as always. Setting the bar high for content gentlemen..
I own one! And after 2500 rounds on, it far from sucks! Works flawlessly.
yup I cracked the clamp on my 11.5 556 trying to remove the muzzle device but this has since then gotten better. later batches are now easier to remove... I've since then picked up the 300blk variant and the muzzle device came off with 25/35ftlb on a open ended 7/8th wrench without having to dissolve the rocksett
Happy to see two great Wisco-made products, Griffin Armament and Midwest Industries represented. That Spear LT is a hot gat!
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Gotta love the guys at Midwest. The wife and I are there often and they are always great to deal with.
Bro the audio quality on your channel is god tier 🔥 much respect for prioritizing our experience like that.
Your ears are important to me
I bought one at my local gun store a couple of weeks ago and I approve. I was thinking the same thing after I took it out on why the DOD didn’t just go with this instead of it’s bigger brother. My gunsmith did charge me double after he removed the muzzle device. He said he’s never seen that much Rocksett before
They wanted a larger caliber which required a larger platform.
Body armor penetration.
@@Flcop177 I get that but private snuffy can barely handle a 5.56. My point being that it will be better utilized taking the place of a 240 than everyone having to lug it around. The Spear LT would be great for the private snuffy’s
@@John-yv6vothey’re not going to issue it to everyone. They’re going to keep using M4’s in a squad, just having two or more using the SPEAR for that reaching out capability.
@@Prodigysportsman Specifically civilian body armor. What are the troons at the Pentagon up to?
If anyone craps on the quick barrel change option for having to re-sight in, they should also remember that sig has sold full upper assembles for the MCX and will sell them for this too. So yes you can swap uppers to avoid re-sighting or use a more suitable optic too.
I have a ~ 6 inch barrel for 300 BLK and an 11.5 inch for 5.56. That's exactly how I set mine up. Why? Because the trajectories are so different and so are my optics choices. So I equip the "5.56 UPPER" with an optic(s) that covers 0-300+ yards and once its dialed in for my ammo choice I never have to worry about it getting out of zero (like it does when u do a barrel change). i know its $$ but if your going Sig get your wallet out and ante up. So depending on the mission (I'm stretching it here) I pick the correct caliber of UPPER and I can have full confidence I have not lost my baseline alignment.
I have 2 choices for my suppressor (one is higher pressure rating - 5.56/.300 super/.300 sub) and the other is a lighter and shorter 300. In theory its "perfect". But you do have to keep the mags for 5.56 separate/distinctly marked from the 300 mags and make it as idiot proof as you can. I have no desire to add 1 pound more with the MW stock but I understand that it could help in some configs to balance things out
I never got the idea of quick change barrels on guns that have unserialized uppers. I have multiple AR uppers, I would also have multiple MCX uppers. The SCAR gets a pass, maybe, but it's a SCAR so it sort of lives in a state mediocrity.
@acdrz125 it does from a military procurement. Everything is already in place to train around the zeroing issue, it costs less (allegedly) and instead of carrying around a full upper, that troop who's already carrying a lot of weight is only carrying a barrel.
But for the average civilian who probably isn't going to be landnaving for miles with a 40lb rucksack, large lvl 4 plates 2-300+ rounds of ammo and other gear, a full upper just makes a lot more sense.
It’s called the “LT” because it’s the 5.56 version of the sig spear in 6.8. It the same idea as the scar L(5.56) vs scar H(7.62). Weight is not the primary reason it’s called “light.” (Although it IS lighter than the sig spear)
I have one in 7.62x39 and it is quickly becoming my go-to
Been running well?
@@Chrisblau Like a sewing machine. Currently using a SRD762Ti-QD can, waiting on F4 approval on a DA Sandman-S but may get a SLX series can down the road.
Um guys they call it the LT (Light) in relation to the MCX Spear .308/6.5CDMR/.277Fury. It’s analogous to the SCAR Heavy and SCAR Light.
If the videos stay around this length, y'all are going to start a tradition. Pizza, beer, and the boys every Friday night to watch y'all. ❤
Maybe. We. Will.
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PLEASE do a 10000 rd review on this please, $3000 is a HUGE investment for us brokies.
Nutnfancy style
I usually save them for Saturday night and a bourbon.
I love my 300blk SpearLT. The first gun in a while that I've wanted to shoot more and more
I own one of these. I purchased the 16 inch variant and did a form-1 on it so I could run it with the 11.5 barrel/handguard combo. I've got ~1100 rounds of Frontier 5.56 75gr HPBT through it, most of that through the 16 inch.
100% agree with your assessment at the end. THIS is what the military should be adopting. The XM7/M5/whatever they're designating the Sig Spear is a great gun but it's like 12lbs with optic and suppressor. It would make excellent sense as a designated marksman rifle in a squad, and sharing ammo with the new replacement for the M249 makes a lot of sense. Great capability.
But for the regular riflemen? The LT version is the way to go. I'm pretty sure SIG already built it to be capable of handling a "Fury" 80,000 PSI version of the 5.56, given the robust bolt lugs, replacable steel cartridge deflector and high/low gas settings. A 77gr OTM moving out at ~2900 FPS from an 11.5 barrel would dramatically improve on the current general-issue M4.
The elephant in the room....is that the handguard STILL does not retain zero, despite the additional 2 screws. A hard knock from either side can easily shift it 3-4 MOA, which I verified on paper using back up irons. The same would apply to anyone running any of the various active aiming IR lasers out front.
I've installed the Arisaka zero retention clamp on mine and I'd consider it adequate...on the 11.5 inch. But on the 16 inch civilian model, the handguard is long enough that the extra leverage it provides will still result in a shift of 1-2 MOA with a hard knock from the side.
Future red-dot systems will incorporate DBAL-esque capabilities into the mount (I know there's a couple that already do) and that will eliminate this issue and dramatically decrease the front heaviness of these weapons when they're fully equipped.
That said....as it stands...there's still enough zero shift in the handguards that passive aiming past 50m with this system is, IMO, a no-go (admittedly, that means it's fine for the vast majority of passive use..but not all.) I've tested it using the manufacturer specs for torque on the screws (both Sig's specs and Arisaka's for the clamp), and even tried going a bit higher in torque and it just doesn't retain zero as advertised. It's a lot better than the Virtus, but not 100%.
Still....amazing gun. The extended upper receiver provides a stable mount for clip-on thermals, so I'm going to have a lot of fun with night coyote hunts in the 16-inch configuration once the fields are harvested, and the 11.5 suppresses great and gives me (left handed) so much less gas to the face. And....it's silly accurate for a combat rifle.
🤙🏻 thanks for chiming in
Thanks for the detailed review and insight bro. Some of it I didn't understand, because I'm coming to still understand guns. And learning the different models of the spear. But yeah I appreciate it.
@@Areyouduckingserious Thanks for the reply! And yeah....all of this stuff....it's a HUGE rabbit hole.
Regarding hand guard & shifting zero…isn’t the upper monolithic, so if lasers & other accessories are mounted at 12 o’clock, there shouldn’t be zero shift? Not that it’s ok if anything mounted anywhere else on the hand guard experiences zero shifts…asking for clarification. To be clear, I’m not an LT owner, just curious.
@@methodsocratic only the first 8 or so inches are monolithic to the upper. The rest depends on the hand-guard. You'd have to mount your night vision unit well behind the muzzle to take advantage of that. Not sure that matters too much, because we're....really damn close to all of that functionality being in the optic, so the hand-guard doesn't matter...but...well, there it is.
Seems to be a better shooting experience than the 7.62x39, Im not enjoying it much at all so far
what don't you like about it?
It was entertaining watching the CGS guy talking about a Griffin can. Great video, really appreciate the fact you used some different stuff then the industry meta.
I’m a fan of cool gun stuff and so is everyone over at CGS. Part of why I enjoy working there man. Thanks for watching and for commenting dude 👊🏼
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: Jake reviews a brown spear, Sig is to goddamn cheap to include a bayonet lug, and Finn helps decorate Crispy's hovel.
Whoever is doing the editing is doing awesome!
crispy is his name and he is a SAVAGE
He’s paid handsomely. In beef jerky and rice
Don’t give him a big head!! Lol it’s already big enough Haha 😂
What a magical video on so many levels!! Great job guys!
sir you ARE magical
I just got my LT upper, I tried to change out the flash hider device for one for a Banish 30 Gold. I couldn’t budge it. I put it in the vise, heated it with a heat gun, broke it free with a big pipe wrench, still trashed it, but thought it would be cheaper than shipping it back, sure hope the torque didn’t damage the upper? Great video. Keep an eye on that giant leprechaun, they can be violent, I saw the movie.
Bless the editor, that snap from day to night vision was *chefs kiss*
Right? Such a cool touch Jake and crispy nailed that
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I think this might be the best video you guys ever made
dang dude really? well jake and crispy did this video i had no part in it and i do agree this may be one of the best videos those dudes have done.
Hell yea appreciate that
Cinematography & visuals …best in the game
Crispy is killin it man and Jake’s writing has been 🔥🔥🔥
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Love my spear! Sold the peq recently and waiting for that eotech laser to hit the market. I had to send my upper back to sig to get the flash hider off.
I’ve bought strictly DD for all my rifles up to this point, was going to get a DDM4 PDW when the spear lt came out. My local gun shop got one of the 300 BLK versions in that I immediately picked up. Absolutely freakin love that gun in 300 BLK, can’t wait until I find a suppressor in stock to throw on their proprietary muzzle device. Great review!
I was just about to get a Maxim Defense PDW in 7.62x39 when Sig announced the Spear LT in the same caliber.
I was going to get a HB SD when it came out. I still went with the HB SD since i got it for just over msrp after tax and tax stamps. Plus, harder to find a HB SD than it is a LT. seen plenty LTs at different local gun stores. No they don’t last long but my favorite one said if i want one out of his next shipment oet him know and he’ll hold one for me.
You can always change out the muzzle device … I threw a lantac dragon on my 9” .300bk spear LT, and it doubled as a suppressor host for a silencerco. Also, with .300bk burning the vast majority (if not all) of it’s powder within 9”, you can throw a ridiculously harsh brake (such as the dragon) on it, and because there’s not a bunch of unburnt powder coming out the end all at once like you normally see with short barrels, it’s nothing like the ear drum crushing concussive blast you expect from a strong brake, but you still get the excellent reduction in muzzle rise (lantac dragons are known to make some guns have “reverse muzzle rise,” where the gun starts to track down toward the ground in full auto)
I’m in the same boat bow
I built a poor man’s spear lt, brownells brn-180 13.9” 5.56, aero m4e1 lower, and the strike industries dual folder. As left handed person I out the usual lefty stuff on, radian raptor and ambi safety, Geiselle maritime bolt catch, the dual folder, and it’s been great, I pin and welded a solgw nox, and I’m running an ab a-10 warthog with the keymo adapter. It’s my favorite rifle now.
The OGL is the hero here!
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7:56 - When you spring for the upgraded background on your 1989 elementary school yearbook photo.
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I have the new griffin explorr waiting and this dual lock in 556. I’ve found that the only way to run a can is with the caliber matching the can bore. It’s so much better
Gorgeous video, as always. Boy, Sig sure seems to bring out some nastiness in people. I think this is a fair review… I own the 16” version. I would’ve been happy to lend it to you to put it through its paces. I changed the muzzle device on mine and got lucky to have one that was fairly easy to remove. I’m not a Sig fan boy, but I do own a few. I’d love to see you guys review the new 226 X Five… it’s one of the recent pistols I’ve purchased. It’s a beast, but I’m not sure it is better shooting than my CZ TS2. Anyhow, thanks for the time,energy and re$ources you put into this phenomenal channel. 🍻
I mean it’s as fair as I can make it. I bought it and talked about it
It would be cool to see a head to head vs. a PWS-mod-2 (with a law-tac side folder), like you reviewed in the past, OR an XCR-L.
Sig's flash hider is rocksett on. How I got mine off was easy. I soaked the end of the barrel and flash hider in boiling water for 20 minutes. Then used a AAC 3 prong flash hider tool and my 3/8 drive impact wrench. Spin's it right off. BUT remember the barrel is tapered behind the threads (25'). You will need a Sig Part "Taper-Cap-556" to adapt the barrel to a square shoulder for the new muzzle device. I'm using a Dead Air Key-Mo 3 prong.
Well I have a Spear Lt with an eotech on it. And while I only have about 100 rounds through it, I like it. I'll have to watch for a bendy barrel now. I assume you all are not talking about barrel whip which all rifles experience? Anyway thanks for a great vid @1911 Syndicate!
Haven’t gotten far into the video but if they’re talking about barrel bending, it’s probably referring to the way you can “bend” the barrel with slight pressure due to the way the barrel and hand guard mate to the receiver. Basically misaligning the barrel and definitely losing zero until the barrel realigns itself during shooting
@@Jordan-nc3zy I think Arisaka defense makes an accessory to reduce this. Albeit this shouldn't be necessary on a gun that costs that much.
I had the barrel bending problem. I solved it by re torqueing the barrel screws and handguard screws
No one is bending the barrel, it's idiots flexing the handguard and thinking they are bending the barrel.
Sick video!! This video made me pull the trigger on both the Spear and the Griffin can! Which model EOTech are you guys running on it ?
Really enjoyed the video. Absolutely stellar work.
All Jake and crispy man they are killin it
That is a handsome suppressor. Great choice.
Is the stock sturdy? Does it rattle/wobble? The Sig folding/collapsing stock was pretty rattly for me and I’m looking to switch it up.
A little movement but nothing worth noting
Jake I can't unheard you saying "un" instead of "on" when talking about the defuser caps. Great vide has always!
For the price, it should not have the handguard issues it’s having
Shhhh they don't want to you talking about that here, they will delete your comments
I think it’s actually barrel and receiver lockup problems which is even worse
Wouldn’t be a sig if it didn’t have problems that they worked out with civilians being the testers.
Have they worked out this issue yet?
@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 no
The size complex never gets old.
They literally meant it's the LT version of the big brother spear. Hence, *SPEAR* LT.
I'm actually shocked that isn't blatantly obvious to everyone.
If I’m not mistaken they’re considering this the “LT” or “light” version compared to the sig spear in 308 w the charging handle bc it’s even bigger and heavier
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Yeah, anyone can make a video, even if they shouldn't.
I absolutely love seeing lefty shooters man, it’s a great thing knowing we really exist!
I’m not mistaken I think Griffin armament makes all their parts in house, including their furniture, which is pretty cool
The furniture actually is not produced in house but the designs for the furniture certainly were.
First time subscriber and this is the first time I've actually laughed a gun channel's jokes. You're not try-hard. You're just funny. Cheers.
lol thanks
A year later, Sig released a "Ranch" version of this before they or anyone else made an SD handguard comparable to their Virtus handguards that tucked the best suppressors available (1.75 Outer diameter cans like the Hyperions, Nelsons or their own sig SRD762Ti-QD) Until they do I can't "upgrade". My Virtus uppers ride Radian ADAC lowers that dookie on the LTs and adds a true advantage/benefit for righties. The 12in and 16in Sig SD handguards are perfect for my 6.75in/Half-Nelson Truck gun and 9in/Hyperion DT Home defense gun. My ADAC rare Parker Mountain Tommy 3 position safety would swap into the LT, I'd have to buy a new Arisaka ZRC but it exists, so the 1.75+ ID handguard is the only thing keeping Sig from getting more of my money.
Hey Jake, in the time between you filming this review and now, have you noticed any issues with the barrel shift and the lack of return to center that I’ve seen a few videos on?
I have not
And..... a double fukin rainbow?!!! Welp, I am no longer Clinically depressed and feel like I have purpose. Happy to see the the old stomping grounds for this review. And holy Jebus, Crispy and those clean images in the B roll! A really solid boyez - Rock out🤘🏼and peace out! ✌🏼
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You clicked on the video for the spear LT. I clicked on the video for the OGL. We are not the same
17th Airborne Div. hat! My grandfather's. He was reckless raffle operator during Varsity.
Gotta appreciate a man who can appreciate a fun and a rainbow with the same enthusiasm
But we didn’t cry. That would’ve been too far
That transition with the snap was absolutely sick.
Thanks bro
Gents, great video. Definitely helping me figure out a build for my spear lt. Question for you though, which muzzle device did you use for the can?
Store next to me has both version 5.56 and 762, which one you recommend I get? i don't own any AR-like rifle . Thanks amazing review!
Love your review awesome
Saw a triple rainbow on a dive trip in Bermuda…only one I’ve ever seen. Oh, the rifle is nice as well 😂
Oh my god, you could’ve died happy right then and there
If a PSA Sabre had barrwl deviation people would absolutely shit on it. SIG A MILITARY CONTRACT DARLING has barrel deviation and it’s just a hiccup
Yup. Continually amazed how many people just let Sig off the hook, especially considering how hilariously overpriced majority of their lineup is.
It’s most likely not the barrel, but the handguard. I took it off and the barrel didn’t move, put the handguard back on but didn’t put the screws in and saw the handguard moving from side to side. Put the screws back in a torqued to 60 inch pounds and it didn’t move. My theory is, is that the screws aren’t properly torqued down.
Some idiots think they are bending the barrel when in reality they are moving the handguard. Retorque the screws.
Mine was the handguard, not barrel. Tightened the handguard screws to spec. No problems.
Whatever method Sig is using to secure their muzzle devices, sounds like it would be equal to or exceed pin & weld strength.
Probably some form of vibratite, you need to soak in hot water to loosen it up
@@Jordan-nc3zyif it needs soaked it’s rocksett
Buying this next week. I’m not a sig fan but this is must for me. All the positive feed back is good enough for me… Thank you for the content gents.
Yeaaaa my boy had that AGILITE on in the video the best of the best 🔥🔥🔥
@29:16 now having met Chris, this shade thrown at internet warriors who have never even trained is in even more incredible.
I think this is a positive comment 😂😂
Awesome review and editing as always. Truly enhanced by the giddy rainbow discussion.
we got way to exited hahahah
What I don't like is that stock, if I can change it and get a Maxim Defense one PDW that would be great, and it will shorten up the rifle making it an excellent CQB.
Tom’s of options this is just what I chose
@@1911syndicate yeah, and I get that. It's just that for me and I'm just speaking for me and experience a good short maneuverable rifle is what I'm looking for, a piston rifle with that stock for close combat, able to go around and cut corners and still be able to reach out and touch someone at up to 250 yards. What I call a quick engagement rifle, to clear buildings if need be or able to shoot out of a vehicle and have enough room to move in the vehicle, also I like that Eotech.
Great video per usual gentleman. And that is a sick ass rainbow!
Ain’t it!
I am looking for a .308 BR/AR10 and cannot decide between the REPR, PREDATQBR, HK and SCAR. The Galil was my choice, but the lack of last round bolt hold was a deal breaker! Any advice?
I have the virtus and had almost 0 gas blown in my face
This is one of the best intro I have ever seen in a gun video
I live near Volusia Top Gun. They have a good selection and a good restaurant when you get hungry lol
That opening sequence and track gave me chills. Good fucking job.
Cheers mate
Please do a full review on the Eotech OGL!
When is the review of the OGL coming?
It’s discussed in the video today
If you're wondering why the DOD didn't pick this over the larger variant, the most logical answer is, 'ARMY BRASS'. They rarely get it rightt.
Didn’t have to zero between 9” 300 and 11.5” 5.56 on mine.
I got my type A contractor about a year ago, and I've used my friend's spear LT. Let's just say the Type A contractor is everything the spear LT wishes it was.
Came for the Spear LT review, stayed for the Rainbow review.
We’re very glad you enjoyed it
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What are the issues with the MCX VIrtus he’s referring to?
Any issues with the barrel? Seen a couple of comments around forums and YT that some (small number to my knowledge) people are having barrel issues.
Great vid guys. Love my virtus.
Regardless of manufacturer, I'm excited for the next gen AR. Its not so much what it does better than AR15 (suppression), its about what it does different. The price is what it is to get a updated design, good suppression, ambi controls, easy caliber swaps and folding stock. Optimistic it gets the side charging handle at some point and that SIG gets the issues worked out.
So far I haven't seen shown barrel/handguard flex impacts shooting. What can happen during operation is very different than what happens stationary. Be better if it didn't, for the confidence.
I have a 229 legion. It’s my favorite worldly possession.
Don't you run into issues with the carging handle hitting the cheek riser? Are you prevented from cycling the rifle with the stock collapsed?
God I love this set up. Suppressed sig spear lt with the eotech laser. Sign me up. Id probably do an acog though.
Glad to see Griffin getting some recognition. I’ve been running their Recce 5 suppressor for years, it’s been great.
I train with a buddy of mine who has owned Griffin cans for years and has always spoken highly of them. I bought one of their 300blk complete uppers and it’s really nice but has been finicky with different types of ammo. I’m definitely interested in my next can bring their can in this video. I own a couple SilencerCo cans but looking to get one of the flow cans for DI systems especially
Their numbers are strange to me, and their cans don't really impress me, _BUT_ their cam-lok system for pistols suppressors seems god damn genius and I'll be getting the parts. Good news is my Wolfman won't have any booster parts so I won't feel bad about having unused pistons lying around.
Unfortunately budget dictated I could only afford 1 sig….so I personally went with the mcx spear .308 in 13” form. The overbuilt tank of a di 5.56 I built while reviewing gun review videos was still cheaper overall than the spear lt….and I won’t part with it to buy a stock rifle. Adm4 receiver set, centurion 12.5” barrel with SA agb, cross machine tool hdx mod3 quadrail, solgw loyal 9 a5, tubbs 42 coil, kynshot rb5005 a5, FCD a5 castle nut, 3qd endplate, mk grip, FCD safety and dust cover, Geissele ssa-e X lightning bow, PlxC 1-8x, 6315rf plan b with polonium, 75g Hornady tap. Still under $2500.
Coming from owning several Sig 516’s I was impressed with how it shot. Lot’s of positives. I didn’t have many rounds down range on the platform but for the little I saw I was encouraged. Great Content. Give me a reason to come back to Utah, I’ll be the 1st one back…1st thoughts when I land (Syndicate watch on my left hand) it’s about time.
Haha. Trying to get another class together. Calls have been made to see what we can do
I had the same problem getting the original flash hider off of my 716i.
We appreciate you turning tricks for the OGL. $2200 is $2200….
I have no dignity. Will turn tricks for OGL
All you have to do to get it off is soak it in warm water for a bit...😂 Every guntuber has run into this, I forget who Sig wrote back telling them, but yeah...
Simply to complex for Jake dude trust me.
If you’ve seen tomorrow war then “the big boy” round makes more sense,add in all the talk of aliens and how they’re unfriendly lately and they needed a spicier round.
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7.62x39 & 300BO hit hard enough but yes the 277(6.8) Fury & .308Win do hit harder.
Edit to add: yes I did see Tomorrow War. And it is good
@@J.Young808 the 7.62x39 and 300 hit hard but not at the distances as 6.8 and .308
I didn't really see much flash footage on the dual-lok. How was shooting it under nods? Were you getting a lot of autogating? Also, all you have to do to look up Sig's CEO early life on his wiki to understand why his company is hoovering up military contracts.
Great video, and as you stated this is a very expensive weapon. BUT is it any Better than a cheaper Scar or premium AR10? I don’t think so.
This isn’t the 308 version
@@1911syndicate fair, same ask though and not a knock against you! Great vid but what does this have over a premium AR15 or Scar. Nothing. I like them but it’s not worth it.