To add on more to show how much the boys have changed while Tord was gone, he seems to be shocked or at least emotionless when Edd first hugged him. Like in the video said, they all barely or even NEVER hugged one another before. Tord didn't seem to expect Edd to suddenly hug him at all, which is probably why he didn't hug back cause he wasn't used to this sudden change of his old friend
@@wilburboxy8021 to add onto what you added on, he seems relatively surprised at edd's shocked reaction when he punched matt also. by that point hes managed to adapt to this new niceness theyre exhibiting towards each other, but clearly not enough. if anything, it makes him decide that reasoning with his old friends is pointless, so he might as well use their "newfound naivety" against them
@@zendpixie Matt also seemed genuinely scared of Tord for a moment. He didn’t even object to getting ice cream afterwards, despite Matt previously mentioning he doesn’t like it due to having sensitive teeth. That’s how afraid he was to set Tord off again.
Wow, that... actually explains The End a lot better than I thought. While I still have some admiration for the clone theory, I also realize that Tord may as well be a terrible friend the whole time.
Honestly, the analysis on how Tord never changed from how he was in the Classic Era, compared to the boys changing immensely throughout the years, was SO GOOD
All that makes sense, actually. Tord was absent, and he didn't grow. He did all that to his friends because he thought it was acceptable, like old times. Tord at the hill saw that his friends had changed. They all tolerate each other now. and now he regrets doing what he did to them.
This… actually perfectly fits. Knowing that Tord actually is the opposite than everyone else thinks, being the same as he was before and just surprised at everyone else’s change is a really cool way to look at it.
im surprised i havent yet seen anyone mention that tord used to be much less talkative. not like as a character trait, but just in general before tord left, the characters besides edd seemed to talk the least. i noticed that for sure, tord didnt have all too many voice lines, and we had to garner his personality from many of his actions. and his actions in the end are VERY in character. he feels so wrong in the end because he has so many voice lines, since legacy and near ending classic era eddsworld felt much more like tv shows than a simple webseries. they actually FINALLY have flowing and longer dialogue, and tord didnt get that until the very end. to watch a character that didnt talk so much before, speak so often (and with deeper character intention), it definitely felt like i was watching a new character on screen. legacy was made with much more foreshadowing and intention for a bigger storyline than any of the older eddisodes were, since eddsworld is very episodic, and very much more so in the classic days. along with that they did exaggerate character traits from each character so i bet if the end was animated in like 2006 itd feel just right.
Based on the lore of the show, while he was away from edd and working as the red leader, he couldve gained some talking skills and manipulation tactics. With all the training, he would probably be a much better smooth talker. Also, work on his quietness as well, if he was shy. But, i completely know where youre coming from, tord spoke the most lines in the end parts 1 and 2 than ever.
That was because of things outside of Eddsworld though, like technical issues/tord not wanting or not being able to record lines, so that doesn't really count and you kinda wrote all that for nothing. 😅
this is honestly THE BEST THEORY for The End. it quite literally makes alot of sense: all the character growth came to Tom, Matt and Edd BECAUSE they spent more time together and atleast "tolerate" themselves more. Tord never got any of that because he left prior, so hes basically on the outside looking in. Very good video!
My initial assumption for why Tord isn't a clone in The End is that he was gonna travel the world with the Red Army and do Tord things, but he got really power-hungry in the process and felt like getting his giant robot back at home. I really like the idea that the main boys changed a lot while Tord didn't change a lot, though.
i just thought it was weird he was so fixated on tom randomly, they barely interacted in the old stuff. by that logic he should also hate matt, but he doesnt. i think the end's script just needed a little more time in the oven, like why was the flashback completely altered from the original 25ft under the seat when they could have used the ruined scene instead?
I remember there was some hints about that Tom and Tord hated each other wayyy back. Not the real ones, the fictional. There is an old video where Tord was telling about how Tom hated him I think. So yep, and also, Tom was the only one who didn't want him to come back, so, you know, he already was pretty annoying for Tord
The flashback was supposed to explain why Matt didn't remember Tord and possibly explain why his character shifted to the later depictions of Matt. They may have also used the flashback as an opportunity to improve Tord's original departure from the way it was originally presented since Tord simply drove off with no dialogue or reason given.
@@GordanTheToad I feel like they should have made Matt accidentally memory gun himself later since post-Tord Classic era still had Matt be somewhat smart. I wish they weren't running out of budget and time by the End, things would be way more consistent that way
I think the reason why Tord was like nice to Matt was bc he realized he didn’t remember him. He needed Edd and Matt on his side so it would be easier for him to move back in. So switching to Tom makes a bit more sense
The only thing I don’t think is in character for Tord is how quickly he threw his friendship with the others away. I feel like he woulda at least said something or asked them about joining him bc taking over the world sounds right up the crew’s alley, especially if you consider Edd thought of a plan to take over the world with bacon, and of course they decline because like you said they grew up while he didn’t. Tord is annoyed with them for being different, they’re annoyed with him for being the same, then he blows Tom up. Chaos ensues, Tord’s robot explodes, end of the episode. A quick fix that I think would clear up the confusion is to add a quick back and forth, before Tom throws the sofa, between edd and Tord that replaces the whole “what would I need friends for?” Bit. Tord rises up, shooting at Tom in the house for fun, blows up the neighbors bc y’know that’s just how he is, then Edd shows up. Edd asks what’s going on, then Tord replies with how he couldn’t leave the robot and offers Edd the chance to hop in and join him. Edd asks “join you for what??”, then Tord says “join me in taking over the world, of course! What else did you think I was planning? C’mon edd, it’ll be just like old times!”. Edd thinks, then declines since he’s grown as a character from that. Tord is dumbfounded for a moment, questions him for denying, Edd explains that he doesn’t want to do that type of stuff anymore (or at least tries to explain), Tord is annoyed and THEN decides to throw away his friendship. Tom shows up, and the episode continues as we see it. Playing it out like this feels more like how Tord would approach it, making him less of an evil villain and more of a carefree kid that just wants to keep doing what he’s always did with his friends. And making him ignore the crew AFTER a quick argument like this sends a stronger message, it shows that if you refuse to grow up then you are doomed to fail and be forgotten by others. Because growing as a person gives you a bigger chance to succeed, since you’re learning as you grow. Tord becomes a cautionary tale as he spirals deeper into this destructive behavior he’s refused to leave behind like the other three (mostly) did. That’s just my thoughts on the whole thing, I definitely don’t believe the clone theory anymore but I also still think once Tord got into the robot he kinda became more out of character. Maybe he just went mad with power and I’m thinking too much about it, who knows. Either way, at the end of the day Tord is still Tord.
I think the main thing that felt out of character with Tord in The End was how he's far less reserved than before, and how cartoonish the robot seems to be compared to the alternate universe where Edd never existed
Really good video! This video genuinely made me reconsider Tords "mischaracterization". Really the only difference is that Classic Tord is more quiet and distant while Legacy is more sly and coy. But I feel like a point to mention is that another reason fans tend to retcon Legacy Tord is 1. The fandom exaggerates his evilness, for example the Beginning and the Friend to point where he's actually mischaracterized, and 2. They really hate Jamie Spicer Lewis for what should be obvious and want to disown his association to Tord. That's why I bought the clone theory
I know well that Tord isn’t a clone, the one from the end, especially after reading something that made everything made sense and why they made that happen with Tord in the end. I do like the theory though, especially since many people can be creative with it and make their own stories out of it which some of them are honestly pretty good. But for the main reason why I think at least some people will like to heavily believe that he IS a clone at the end is because maybe, just maybe they don’t want to believe that is Tord. Like that Tord would never do that especially since it was all so sudden. I know there are people who didn’t like how Tord turned out in the end and they would rather believe it was a clone and not the real Tord, but hey, they did what they did. Unless the Eddsworld team decided to just say, “Yup the Tord in the end was a clone!” Then yeah but for now, thats Tord. People can keep believing what they believe though. I do like the clone theory, its cool especially since spares is one of my favorite eddisodes.
I am one of the people who did not like the decision to make Tord the "final villain" at all. But all in all, I enjoyed that episode quite a bit. and I quite agree, the clone theory is probably the best known in the fandom, and it is not for nothing, some simply want to believe in the friendship of the 4 protagonists, myself included. We just have to wait for the "final ending" to see what they do with Tord's plot
I hate this theory, because to me it makes no sense. Tord was never good, no one in this cartoon is completely good, and we have a point that Tord likes to hurt people from the beginning.
@@tordr3danimation Eh it’s fun, Tord doesn’t have to be good to make it all make sense, he could still be himself like how everyone else is but the clone being more dangerous. I just like the theory cause of how creative people can be with it, I respect your opinion though!:),
Y’know, in WTFuture, when future Tom and Matt come to the present, Tom says, “it’s a good thing that red leader had another time traveling device”, meaning that even if they aren’t close friends, Tom and Matt are still at least allies of tord’s.
Oh dude I remember seeing the Original theory video way back when, I was in middle school still lol. Today's my eighteenth birthday now, how the time flies.
I think this thing about Tord being aggressive because of the old Eddsworld makes sense when you remember that the old Eddsworld had no continuity, being its own thing and then in the next Eddsode everything is fine despite having everyone die in the last one. So probably Tord, with that old immature mentality, thought that at the end of the Eddsode everyone would be fine in the next Eddsode, as if nothing had happened Heck, there are literally 4 episodes where Matt kills his friends (Zombeh Attack 1 and 3, Matt Sucks and Halloween '05). So Tord wasn't prepared for things not to change At least that's what I interpreted
YES, I’ve been waiting for a video like this! I think the best point you made was how Tord came back being the only one who hadn’t grown. He’s the same old friend from a time the others had moved on from. I haven’t heard that point before, and I absolutely love it. Fantastic work as always!
Wow! I’ve always believed the clone theory because of how Tord acted, but now I do see The End in a different light, especially because of this part 7:45 . (Im writing an Eddsworld AU currently and it uses the clone theory and I can’t really go back on it now, but I can certainly use this to help with his character because he’s really cool!)
I don’t think Tord is a clone but I do think he was lying when he said they were never his friends. Talking about this with other eddheads it makes more sense that tord was probably going through some sort of psychotic break and was saying a bunch of things he didn’t really mean. I also refuse to believe that a CLONE could be red leader and not tord himself.
Watching the whole video I do think that the points made make sense. Tord just went down a such a different path compared to the others hes a little lost on how to act around them
Looking back it’s kind of a shame the original voice actor for Tord couldn’t come back (for obvious and justifiable reasons. Dem fans sometimes man it can get bad)
Thank you for bringing up these points to our attention, it had never occurred to me that Tord’s behavior was because of him not being around to develop with the other guys. This had given more appreciation for the end & thanks for taking the time to make this TORDrific video!
Even if the theory doesn’t have much evidence or make much sense, even if there isn’t any intended continuity or hints, if we treat it as true the writing opportunities that spawn from The End Tord being a clone are SO SO INTERESTING. That’s why I like it.
good theory its actually really well backed up! and i never really minded tord being a villain... besides... the fact that he looked like he regreted his actions showed that he cared for his friends and proves more it was the real tord... not some clone who doesn't know edd tom or matt...
this makes so much sense thinking about the whole "already tried to take over the world" thing. by him leaving, that's him being left to his own accord much like the christmas special 2005 where he tried to take over the world. the main 3 are what keep him at bay of going *too* far, so the reason i think he feels remorseful is because of that rehumanisation of edd tom and matt to tord when he sees them and realises they are human. they are what keeps him going too far so really i think this is about his independent ambition which he cannot fulfil because he cares too much about the people around him that he wouldn't want to see them get hurt until he goes too far one way, fails, and then regrets and swings back the other way. i think he truly wants world domination but he has too many morals in his head to fully let him achieve that. such a peak video bro i love this perspective and i wish i had clocked sooner cause it makes more sense now
I am, well- was a Tord clone theory believer with all my heart, but the phrase of "Everyone has changed expect Tord" quickly made me realize that it wansnt true. Kinda awesome how one phrase made me have a totally different perspective about the topic
OH MY GOD! This video is actually so good! I never had this perspective before, Tord not changing but Edd, Matt, Tom did. That blew my mind, it was as if ive been wearing blinders for years.
I haven't check up on this channel for a long time and damn, your content still leaves me off jaw dropping. I love the way you write your scripts; the music choice and it is just as cinematic as your other videos is. I always have stick to my opinion that Tord is just Tord, but you give me a new insight and it brings me closure. I also want to mention the re-using line of "just like old times." gives me chills! Another great videos
As someone who watched Eddsworld after its completion, watching the whole thing through, I was always confused on how people thought Tord was mischaracterized. I thought he was a violent, gun-loving guy who liked lude pictures of women before “The End”. During “The End” I thought, “yeah, that makes sense, he would try to make it in the big city, Tord’s way.” (I feel like I have to acknowledge that real-life Tord probably doesn’t act in this way. He probably is a great guy, but I’m separating character from character inspiration, or c!Tord and cc!Tord.)
I think the biggest change in his character is not seeing the other boys as friends, especially when he was in his robot. Even though they were really violent and didn't seem very friendly, that was mostly because of the boys' edgy humor back then. I think teenagers and young adults' senses of humor are quite different, and that absolutely echoes with Eddsworld's writing. It's fine for tord to be the most violent one, just not as an evil stranger. He even talks a lot more, which isn't what he was like back then.
That explains so much on why Tord was just like how he was before he left, bro just never got the chance to change with the cast. idk how i didnt pick that up sooner😭😭
I think people wish Tord in The End isn't the real one because they long for the time where he was friends with them. Or at least he was hanging out with them instead of being so clearly against them. Tord in The End not being the real one would mean that the real one didn't deny their friendship, and that the good old times aren't fully gone since Tord, the real one, can still get along with the others. We all want the good old times to come back, this is the case for a lot of things, not just Eddsworld. This is something that happens when you grow up. You look back fondly on the easier and simpler times of your childhood, and you wish things could go back to the way they were. For a good amount of Eddsworld fans, these simpler times might coincide with the time when Tord was still part of the main cast, and they, maybe unconsciously, associate Tord being a part of the cast as part of these simpler times they wish they could go back to. They care a lot about Eddsword since it was something they grew up with. They are attached to these characters and they want them to be happy together, and that "together" includes Tord. Personally, I sadly didn't get the chance to grow up with Eddsworld. I discovered its existence with FNF, which I think is a bit of a shame since I missed all the big moments of being part of this fandom. But even if I don't have the attachment to these characters that the older fans have, I get where they're coming from, I really do. As I said, we all wish we could go back to when things weren't as stressful and complicated, and that includes me. And I do associate these simpler times to when things were simpler in the fictional works I like. For example, when I started watching the SMG4 series, it wasn't as dark and serious. It was a stupid fun time to enjoy and get a good laugh while turning your brain off, but now my life is a lot more complicated, and so is the SMG4 series. I wish things could go back to the way they were, both for my life and the SMG4 series since I associate both to simpler and happier times. That doesn't mean current SMG4 isn't good, but the original charm is gone, the characters we love went through a lot of trauma (which the writers seem to avoid acknowledging) and it will never be the same as it was. This is also part of the reason why people were mad at some of the character's redesigns. Getting rid of the old designs means getting further and further away from the original SMG4 series that they've grown to love, and maybe helped them laugh when times were tough. I think the older Eddsworld fans feel the same way and I can see why. The Clone Tord theory might be way they voice their hope that the good old times aren't completely gone, that they can come back to them.
As someone who's a fan of SMG4, respectfully, I have to say I disagree with the charm of it being gone. It's different now, sure, but it's still the same show from way back then, but now they have an actual team and a budget to make their videos and stories much better for the fans and the viewers. There are still plenty of moments that can make you laugh just like before, but now there's more going on behind the scenes.
Idk if this will make sense but After Tom is like “take my room I’m leaving” and walks out all angry. There is like a shot where all the boys look shocked at Tom’s reaction. I think Edd and Matt are shocked bc if your friend snaps like that it’s pretty shocking. But for Tord, I think he’s shocked because the level of teasing he was doing was normal back when he was around. So for Tom to leave was shocking as in his mind, this is normal. You could also take it as him just being shocked.
Thank you for this video, you gave me a new perspective and appreciation for this episode. I believed the clone theory because I really like Tord and I just didn't want Tord to go. But now I can see all the character development the main three had, everything around them changing while Tord stays the same, it's genius, I love that idea.
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for saying this. I always thought the clone theory would be weird, and probably never even came to thought when the writers were making the end. Thanks for “debunking” this theory! (Ish?)
I never believed tord was a clone, and I really did enjoy The End. My only complaints were that it left some things unexplained, like how he was suddenly fixated on Tom, and you did just explain that it was probably to get access to his room but if you didn't say that then it probably would have NEVER crossed my mind. And also the voice. I was disappointed that they didn't find a Norwegian voice actor for Tord, and it didn't sound very much like him either.
13:48 i do think Tord will actually help his friends if it needs to be done. Maybe the trio would infultrate some underwater base, and it would made them closed somewhere. There would be a camera(placed by red army) and Tord will see them in the moment. And he would actually try his best to help them. I know this looks dumb lol
In my opinion there was no other video that made this theory clearer to me, besides the fact that I recently learned about Eddsworld, I don't know many things about it, but this video makes it quite clear to me what Tord really is. I thank you for this video, your explanation is very good :3
That's the best explanation I wanted to hear, because I always liked the clone theory and some kinda belive it. But.. at the end of the day I always thought Tord was the Tord we all knew. What I liked about the video is that it wasn't Tord who became more evil than before, but in fact Edd, Tom and Matt became kinder to each other so that Tord would remain the only one who didn't evolve in their friendship. But I still think Tord has become a little more serious than it was before, I don't know if it's good or not, 😅 but I'm very happy for this video!
Honestly, I'm considering this interpretation of The End canon and the true intent of the series. It really feels honest and truly what the creators intended. I Honestly did wish that Tord could be part of the gang again, the 4 crazy wacky best friends, but 3 is still more than enough for me.
okay now that makes alot of sense with this theory you did a great job on making this theory cause DAMN THIS IS FREAKING GOOD
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This is a great way to revisit a topic of discussion! - I very much agree with this. 'Bad writing' is not really a viable explanation for me either as far as the story is concerned, it doesn't connect in-universe, its something outside the realm of what is established to be fact. Plus 'Bad Writing' is subjective, not everyone is going to say the writing was bad. Tord's character has not had the chance to mature in the in way the other three have. I think it's a more compelling story, the clone theory for me could work but I think it cheapens the impact it has both in the characters and the story. Could Tord being a clone work canonically? (if the Beyond Team ever decide to bring him back in a meaningful way - other than a gag/ reference) Sure - if its written in a believable and respectful manner. I'd personally love to see character development even if its subtlety implied like we saw with Eduardo's sadness/ regretful demeanor in Beaster Bunny. That spares box at the end of 'New Year, New You' and the sudden Tord yootooz merch has my mind buzzing filled with questions about what the implications and possibilities could be are endless. What could it mean? We will have to just wait and see. Eddsworld has always been a background secret brainrot of mine since 2010, so much so it's invaded my art journey and content in so many ways, only recently has it come to the surface as something I'm willing to be open about. Safe to say this is the first time I've really commented publically on Eddsworld (outside of my own recent video). I've always been a sucker for Edd's subtle humour, his work ethic and passion was unmatched and very inspirational, I aspired to it for my own illustration skills. Tom/Eddie's more narrative approach for an overarching plot was something I really latched onto, was it perfect? No. I can see in the Beyond era some plot points are sticking around, like Jon's death for example which although I'm sad for, on a storytelling front I'm so glad they are not outright dismissing the events of Legacy and following on from what happened; building on what Tom left.
I never looked at it that way and it actually makes sense, if it was the old days, Tord could have done all this and in the end the 4 of them would be sitting on the couch with Edd saying something like "Ah, now everything is back to normal" and the series would continue without a hitch, maybe Tord thought that way when he came back but then realized he couldn't get away with it this time!
Makes me think about Tord's line "Who needs friends when you've got this?" What if he isn't talking about his robot but about the ongoing feud between the 4 of them
so basically the actual plot of the end was tord comes back to see his friends have changed but he hasnt and that leaves with some conflict due to them no longer accepting the old shenanigans they used to do with tord anymore they grew up tord stayed young so i feel like at that last part of the end part 2, tord was somewhat genuinely heart broken as im thinking he thought they were still okay with his Shenanigans, and nothing looked too out of the ordinary until they actually decided to no longer be friends with him
This was actually very impressive, it opened my eyes and gave me a whole new perspective, I still think the end is a not so good eddisode for different reasons but at least I now can see it in a different way
I was always confused with the ending and tord, i tried hearing people out about the clone theory but i couldn't as it still made me confused. But this video made me realize that tord.. was just tord. And he'll always be tord. Love this video man, I love how you do these type of videos.
I never believed that Tord was a clone. Mostly because it sounded stupid and didn’t make sense but that video is a absolute masterpiece! Even if someone is just watching it without believing the clone theory , it makes everything look right
The original video was a trip for me, since i knew that the Tord in The End wasn't a clone, but just Tord but more violent, and now you make this video, which almost confirms my assumption
Now that we have the new Tord teaser from the Eddsworld tiktok update, we can also rule out the possibility of Tord being a clone because of the bandage. He’s shown with a cut on his cheek, exactly where his bandage in “The End” is, confirming that he did get hurt somehow along the way on his cheek, and it isn’t just an odd clone fail or gunshot wound from Spares.
@@portalmaster07 The teaser is most likely before The End since he didn’t bandage his cut yet in the teaser and his face wasn’t messed as it was after Tord Bot exploded.
This is the most satisfieing video, its tord probably, but the end....SO GOOD! the best end of a video i ever saw and i cant shake the feeling of nostalgia, tord was a bad friend, everyone was tbh...but that he felt distrout, somber and sad, thats quite...damn, best video ending, good job
I just thought of The End is not canon, not only does Tord act differently, but the flashback scene for 25ft Under the Seat was changed. Tord is more violent than the others but I wouldn't call him flat out evil. With the Tord taking over in the alternate timeline thing, that wasn't even in the main timeline, and you say the same for Matt in Zombeh Attack. For Tord's Adventure, there was a lot of jokes in Eddsworld Classic about the characters fighting each other, so I wouldn't call one with Tord out of place. There's also multiple instances of Tord being good to his friends, Tord's concern for Tom when he aimed the gun at his eye, Tord helping Edd in Zombeh Attack, Tord and Tom trying to outsmart the murderer in that Halloween Special, along with many others. There’s also the joke about Matt’s personal hell being multiple Edd’s and saying “at least Edd’s dead” and also the “Not the coke machine!” thing. It seems like those moments was played for laughs more than Tord being a serious villain that actually hated his friends.
the end is definitely canon. In beyond the gang lives in an apartment because their house got destroyed, and the neighbors are just Eduardo and Mark because Jon died
Funny thing is that I never believed the stupid theory that Tord was a clone because when I started watching the show I started at the first episodes. I didn't watch the brand new stuff because I wouldn't really know the characters that well, and when I watched The End I was happy to see Tord EXACTLY the same. Then, some theory about Tord being a clone in the end part 1 and 2, I found it idiotic. He's the same as he was before he left, guys (directed at ANYONE who, for some reason, believes Tord's a clone)
Actually i think that Tord is not even that of a villian... Like these guys did a lot of shit together, like in zanta claws 3 Tom literally wanted to kill everyone too. I actually think the end (i mean the giant robot and tord being evil part) could actualy be the part of the old show, so the end is actually really good written
i mean... wow,,,, this gave me a whole new and different persepective on legacy tord never thought of this. i was just switching between theory to theory but this one makes a ton of sense and lots of evidence to back it up
You forgot one thing that is inconsistent with Tord's character, it's him being the inventor. The classic episodes never established anything like that. Sure, he liked weapons, war and violence. But he was never a scientist, so The End really makes no sense in this regard, as we see that he himself bulit the giant robot and weird sofa thingies. But even despite this, I agree with you that the clone theory was never true and never will be. It just doesn't make sense story-wise.
Fun fact: Before his departure in 2008, Tord is actually the least destructive in the group, and the most destructive is Edd. You would know this if you also observed the others three in the retro era.
You Know I Think The Reason Tord Acts Violent In The First Place Is Because of Some Sort of Trauma Similar To The Trauma Tom Had From The Death of His Pineapple Mother But Tord's Trauma Could Be Worse Then That But It’s Just An Idea I Had
This theory is the reason I love the end! I’ve always thought tord had regretted what he did and has to live with it. Something I’ve thought different tho is he hadn’t spent a lot of time with Edd, Matt, and Tom when he came back, so it’s confusing for me to think he would change. I feel like Tord wouldn’t change because, wouldn’t he try to make amends by now? That’s just my thoughts but you know, it’s just a theory, a Eddsworld theory, thanks for reading!
With a Tord teaser being revealed, I’m starting to theorize what it could mean as the possibilities are interesting. Maybe the clone theory is real, or maybe it could mean something else. Either way I’m looking forward to seeing what happens
not going to lie, this video made me appreciate the end more mostly by how accurate it is to the whole series. The amount of references to older episodes is insane
I have a posible explanation for the whole Tord being evil thing in The End. My guess is Tord was a spy sent by the red army to spy on the UK but he was demoted after Moving Targets for accidentally destroying their base. my evidence: 1: Tord has an endless variety of weapons most of which are firearms and guns aren’t very easy to get in the UK, 2: Tord has been showed to be very quiet in past eddisodes but in The End he is talkative likely forgetting how his relationship with the boys was as his showed to be surprised when Edd hugged him, and 3: Tord moved away in 25ft under the seat ironically the previous eddisode was Moving Targets and he and the boys accidentally destroyed the red army’s base.
This video was total whiplash for me, mostly for Tord being my favorite. I don’t know if so love this video, absolutely hate it or both. I never saw Tord in the End as a clone, but I don’t see Tord as evil either and I feel that we only know half of the story. I however got extremely mad when you skip the fact that Tord and Edd were BFFs and yes they had fights and the fights were a little over the top, but I feel like Tord never wanted to kill Edd, making Tord telling Edd that he was not his friend an even more powerful line. I am hoping for him to have a redemption arch. I feel if Tom and Tord had to fight together and actually get along for once would be very interesting to see, and Tom being the one trying to convince Matt and Edd that Tord is now on their side. But I understand if he never gets that. It will hurt my heart but it’s Matt’s decision to make.
Having watched the previous Eddsworld episodes, I couldn't help but notice how cruel, (especially Tord,) could be sometimes. So, yeah - I definitely agree with your hypothesis.
after watching your video abt the clone theory, i tried to believe that 'red leader' indeed was a clone. but it didnt make sense to me, and after watching your updated video, the facts add up and it kinda of gave me this disclosure
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Perhaps that's why Tord appeared somewhat shocked when Tom got very mad, he didn't know they were no longer hurting each other like that
To add on more to show how much the boys have changed while Tord was gone, he seems to be shocked or at least emotionless when Edd first hugged him. Like in the video said, they all barely or even NEVER hugged one another before. Tord didn't seem to expect Edd to suddenly hug him at all, which is probably why he didn't hug back cause he wasn't used to this sudden change of his old friend
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@@wilburboxy8021 to add onto what you added on, he seems relatively surprised at edd's shocked reaction when he punched matt also. by that point hes managed to adapt to this new niceness theyre exhibiting towards each other, but clearly not enough. if anything, it makes him decide that reasoning with his old friends is pointless, so he might as well use their "newfound naivety" against them
@@zendpixie Matt also seemed genuinely scared of Tord for a moment. He didn’t even object to getting ice cream afterwards, despite Matt previously mentioning he doesn’t like it due to having sensitive teeth. That’s how afraid he was to set Tord off again.
Wow, that... actually explains The End a lot better than I thought. While I still have some admiration for the clone theory, I also realize that Tord may as well be a terrible friend the whole time.
Everyone are terrible friends really. Even Edd.
Everyone's mean in this show.
People forgot that matt did killed his friends 2005 Halloween special.
Honestly, the analysis on how Tord never changed from how he was in the Classic Era, compared to the boys changing immensely throughout the years, was SO GOOD
All that makes sense, actually.
Tord was absent, and he didn't grow.
He did all that to his friends because he thought it was acceptable, like old times.
Tord at the hill saw that his friends had changed. They all tolerate each other now.
and now he regrets doing what he did to them.
That's what the video is talking about.
@@ryanforjustice yeah
Sorry about that
It's okay. 👍🏼
That's a lot make sense
1 of the comments that makes the most sense Is yours I support the theory He's not a clone
This… actually perfectly fits. Knowing that Tord actually is the opposite than everyone else thinks, being the same as he was before and just surprised at everyone else’s change is a really cool way to look at it.
im surprised i havent yet seen anyone mention that tord used to be much less talkative.
not like as a character trait, but just in general before tord left, the characters besides edd seemed to talk the least. i noticed that for sure, tord didnt have all too many voice lines, and we had to garner his personality from many of his actions. and his actions in the end are VERY in character.
he feels so wrong in the end because he has so many voice lines, since legacy and near ending classic era eddsworld felt much more like tv shows than a simple webseries. they actually FINALLY have flowing and longer dialogue, and tord didnt get that until the very end. to watch a character that didnt talk so much before, speak so often (and with deeper character intention), it definitely felt like i was watching a new character on screen. legacy was made with much more foreshadowing and intention for a bigger storyline than any of the older eddisodes were, since eddsworld is very episodic, and very much more so in the classic days.
along with that they did exaggerate character traits from each character so i bet if the end was animated in like 2006 itd feel just right.
The real Tord himself never enjoyed talking a lot and recording his voice, that's why we barely hear Tord (character) voice.
Based on the lore of the show, while he was away from edd and working as the red leader, he couldve gained some talking skills and manipulation tactics. With all the training, he would probably be a much better smooth talker. Also, work on his quietness as well, if he was shy. But, i completely know where youre coming from, tord spoke the most lines in the end parts 1 and 2 than ever.
That was because of things outside of Eddsworld though, like technical issues/tord not wanting or not being able to record lines, so that doesn't really count and you kinda wrote all that for nothing. 😅
this is honestly THE BEST THEORY for The End. it quite literally makes alot of sense: all the character growth came to Tom, Matt and Edd BECAUSE they spent more time together and atleast "tolerate" themselves more. Tord never got any of that because he left prior, so hes basically on the outside looking in. Very good video!
My initial assumption for why Tord isn't a clone in The End is that he was gonna travel the world with the Red Army and do Tord things, but he got really power-hungry in the process and felt like getting his giant robot back at home.
I really like the idea that the main boys changed a lot while Tord didn't change a lot, though.
im in your car edward
I'm in your edward, car!
I’m in your walls Edward.
I'm in your car edward(chain.)
I’m in your car Edward?
im in your edward car!!!!
i just thought it was weird he was so fixated on tom randomly, they barely interacted in the old stuff. by that logic he should also hate matt, but he doesnt. i think the end's script just needed a little more time in the oven, like why was the flashback completely altered from the original 25ft under the seat when they could have used the ruined scene instead?
I remember there was some hints about that Tom and Tord hated each other wayyy back. Not the real ones, the fictional. There is an old video where Tord was telling about how Tom hated him I think. So yep, and also, Tom was the only one who didn't want him to come back, so, you know, he already was pretty annoying for Tord
The flashback was supposed to explain why Matt didn't remember Tord and possibly explain why his character shifted to the later depictions of Matt. They may have also used the flashback as an opportunity to improve Tord's original departure from the way it was originally presented since Tord simply drove off with no dialogue or reason given.
@@GordanTheToadit was more confusing than anything for me, i had to rewatch the original ep when the end aired because of it LOL
@@GordanTheToad I feel like they should have made Matt accidentally memory gun himself later since post-Tord Classic era still had Matt be somewhat smart. I wish they weren't running out of budget and time by the End, things would be way more consistent that way
I think the reason why Tord was like nice to Matt was bc he realized he didn’t remember him. He needed Edd and Matt on his side so it would be easier for him to move back in. So switching to Tom makes a bit more sense
The only thing I don’t think is in character for Tord is how quickly he threw his friendship with the others away. I feel like he woulda at least said something or asked them about joining him bc taking over the world sounds right up the crew’s alley, especially if you consider Edd thought of a plan to take over the world with bacon, and of course they decline because like you said they grew up while he didn’t. Tord is annoyed with them for being different, they’re annoyed with him for being the same, then he blows Tom up. Chaos ensues, Tord’s robot explodes, end of the episode.
A quick fix that I think would clear up the confusion is to add a quick back and forth, before Tom throws the sofa, between edd and Tord that replaces the whole “what would I need friends for?” Bit. Tord rises up, shooting at Tom in the house for fun, blows up the neighbors bc y’know that’s just how he is, then Edd shows up. Edd asks what’s going on, then Tord replies with how he couldn’t leave the robot and offers Edd the chance to hop in and join him. Edd asks “join you for what??”, then Tord says “join me in taking over the world, of course! What else did you think I was planning? C’mon edd, it’ll be just like old times!”. Edd thinks, then declines since he’s grown as a character from that. Tord is dumbfounded for a moment, questions him for denying, Edd explains that he doesn’t want to do that type of stuff anymore (or at least tries to explain), Tord is annoyed and THEN decides to throw away his friendship. Tom shows up, and the episode continues as we see it.
Playing it out like this feels more like how Tord would approach it, making him less of an evil villain and more of a carefree kid that just wants to keep doing what he’s always did with his friends. And making him ignore the crew AFTER a quick argument like this sends a stronger message, it shows that if you refuse to grow up then you are doomed to fail and be forgotten by others. Because growing as a person gives you a bigger chance to succeed, since you’re learning as you grow. Tord becomes a cautionary tale as he spirals deeper into this destructive behavior he’s refused to leave behind like the other three (mostly) did.
That’s just my thoughts on the whole thing, I definitely don’t believe the clone theory anymore but I also still think once Tord got into the robot he kinda became more out of character. Maybe he just went mad with power and I’m thinking too much about it, who knows. Either way, at the end of the day Tord is still Tord.
I think the main thing that felt out of character with Tord in The End was how he's far less reserved than before, and how cartoonish the robot seems to be compared to the alternate universe where Edd never existed
Well, I'm not sure they could get away with that in modern day youtube
@@Rivergames-qh6sh That's true
“Help me or I’ll eat your brains”
Really good video! This video genuinely made me reconsider Tords "mischaracterization". Really the only difference is that Classic Tord is more quiet and distant while Legacy is more sly and coy. But I feel like a point to mention is that another reason fans tend to retcon Legacy Tord is 1. The fandom exaggerates his evilness, for example the Beginning and the Friend to point where he's actually mischaracterized, and 2. They really hate Jamie Spicer Lewis for what should be obvious and want to disown his association to Tord. That's why I bought the clone theory
2019 tomee bear: Tord is a clone
2024 tomee bear: Tord is not a clone
Next video is tord had a evil twins
@@uppermoon3.can't wait for 2028
@@haiiiiiiii192028: tomee bear is a clone
Next video: Tord is the father
Character development
I know well that Tord isn’t a clone, the one from the end, especially after reading something that made everything made sense and why they made that happen with Tord in the end. I do like the theory though, especially since many people can be creative with it and make their own stories out of it which some of them are honestly pretty good. But for the main reason why I think at least some people will like to heavily believe that he IS a clone at the end is because maybe, just maybe they don’t want to believe that is Tord. Like that Tord would never do that especially since it was all so sudden. I know there are people who didn’t like how Tord turned out in the end and they would rather believe it was a clone and not the real Tord, but hey, they did what they did.
Unless the Eddsworld team decided to just say, “Yup the Tord in the end was a clone!” Then yeah but for now, thats Tord. People can keep believing what they believe though. I do like the clone theory, its cool especially since spares is one of my favorite eddisodes.
themeatly? What are you doing here?
I am one of the people who did not like the decision to make Tord the "final villain" at all. But all in all, I enjoyed that episode quite a bit. and I quite agree, the clone theory is probably the best known in the fandom, and it is not for nothing, some simply want to believe in the friendship of the 4 protagonists, myself included. We just have to wait for the "final ending" to see what they do with Tord's plot
I hate this theory, because to me it makes no sense. Tord was never good, no one in this cartoon is completely good, and we have a point that Tord likes to hurt people from the beginning.
@@tordr3danimation Eh it’s fun, Tord doesn’t have to be good to make it all make sense, he could still be himself like how everyone else is but the clone being more dangerous. I just like the theory cause of how creative people can be with it, I respect your opinion though!:),
Y’know, in WTFuture, when future Tom and Matt come to the present, Tom says, “it’s a good thing that red leader had another time traveling device”, meaning that even if they aren’t close friends, Tom and Matt are still at least allies of tord’s.
Oh dude I remember seeing the Original theory video way back when, I was in middle school still lol. Today's my eighteenth birthday now, how the time flies.
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I think this thing about Tord being aggressive because of the old Eddsworld makes sense when you remember that the old Eddsworld had no continuity, being its own thing and then in the next Eddsode everything is fine despite having everyone die in the last one. So probably Tord, with that old immature mentality, thought that at the end of the Eddsode everyone would be fine in the next Eddsode, as if nothing had happened
Heck, there are literally 4 episodes where Matt kills his friends (Zombeh Attack 1 and 3, Matt Sucks and Halloween '05). So Tord wasn't prepared for things not to change
At least that's what I interpreted
Ah yes, my favorite Eddsworld character, Ford.
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YES, I’ve been waiting for a video like this! I think the best point you made was how Tord came back being the only one who hadn’t grown. He’s the same old friend from a time the others had moved on from. I haven’t heard that point before, and I absolutely love it. Fantastic work as always!
Tord even recruits Tom and Matt (and probably Edd) as part of his army in the future, so ig he does now regret what he did
Its one of thoose theorys where it doesnt effect the show. Just being a headcannon and nothing is affected.
Wow! I’ve always believed the clone theory because of how Tord acted, but now I do see The End in a different light, especially because of this part 7:45 .
(Im writing an Eddsworld AU currently and it uses the clone theory and I can’t really go back on it now, but I can certainly use this to help with his character because he’s really cool!)
I don’t think Tord is a clone but I do think he was lying when he said they were never his friends. Talking about this with other eddheads it makes more sense that tord was probably going through some sort of psychotic break and was saying a bunch of things he didn’t really mean. I also refuse to believe that a CLONE could be red leader and not tord himself.
Watching the whole video I do think that the points made make sense. Tord just went down a such a different path compared to the others hes a little lost on how to act around them
Looking back it’s kind of a shame the original voice actor for Tord couldn’t come back (for obvious and justifiable reasons. Dem fans sometimes man it can get bad)
Thank you for bringing up these points to our attention, it had never occurred to me that Tord’s behavior was because of him not being around to develop with the other guys. This had given more appreciation for the end & thanks for taking the time to make this TORDrific video!
Even if the theory doesn’t have much evidence or make much sense, even if there isn’t any intended continuity or hints, if we treat it as true the writing opportunities that spawn from The End Tord being a clone are SO SO INTERESTING. That’s why I like it.
He’s not a clone…….. HE IS THE EVIL TORD FROM THE Mirror verse where everyone has goatees.
Kirby reference?????!!!1
@@Dareal_SamisStufflol
@@Dareal_SamisStuffI thought it was a reference to "Mirror Mirror"
no it is wtfuture@@sonicfanboy3375
Is this a "mirror mirror" reference along with a Southpark "evil clones from another dimention with goatees"?
good theory its actually really well backed up! and i never really minded tord being a villain... besides... the fact that he looked like he regreted his actions showed that he cared for his friends and proves more it was the real tord... not some clone who doesn't know edd tom or matt...
long story short i support this theory
this makes so much sense thinking about the whole "already tried to take over the world" thing. by him leaving, that's him being left to his own accord much like the christmas special 2005 where he tried to take over the world. the main 3 are what keep him at bay of going *too* far, so the reason i think he feels remorseful is because of that rehumanisation of edd tom and matt to tord when he sees them and realises they are human. they are what keeps him going too far so really i think this is about his independent ambition which he cannot fulfil because he cares too much about the people around him that he wouldn't want to see them get hurt until he goes too far one way, fails, and then regrets and swings back the other way. i think he truly wants world domination but he has too many morals in his head to fully let him achieve that. such a peak video bro i love this perspective and i wish i had clocked sooner cause it makes more sense now
I wish Tord was redeemed if he returned (it’s unknown if he will ever return but we’ll see) JUSTICE FOR TORD 🙏🙏
Go look at eddsworld extra’s one short if you have not already seen it
@@yeetster093 yeah don’t worry I already saw the video and I was screaming with joy when I first watched it 🙏🙏
@@penelopevalle3202 yeah just wanted to make sure, have a good day
@@yeetster093 aww thanks :>
I am, well- was a Tord clone theory believer with all my heart, but the phrase of "Everyone has changed expect Tord" quickly made me realize that it wansnt true. Kinda awesome how one phrase made me have a totally different perspective about the topic
OH MY GOD! This video is actually so good! I never had this perspective before, Tord not changing but Edd, Matt, Tom did. That blew my mind, it was as if ive been wearing blinders for years.
I haven't check up on this channel for a long time and damn, your content still leaves me off jaw dropping. I love the way you write your scripts; the music choice and it is just as cinematic as your other videos is. I always have stick to my opinion that Tord is just Tord, but you give me a new insight and it brings me closure. I also want to mention the re-using line of "just like old times." gives me chills! Another great videos
now that Tord got his Youtooz, I just hope Matt changes his mind about bringing Tord back.
As someone who watched Eddsworld after its completion, watching the whole thing through, I was always confused on how people thought Tord was mischaracterized. I thought he was a violent, gun-loving guy who liked lude pictures of women before “The End”. During “The End” I thought, “yeah, that makes sense, he would try to make it in the big city, Tord’s way.”
(I feel like I have to acknowledge that real-life Tord probably doesn’t act in this way. He probably is a great guy, but I’m separating character from character inspiration, or c!Tord and cc!Tord.)
Wow a new theory based on a video from my childhood count me in!
I think the biggest change in his character is not seeing the other boys as friends, especially when he was in his robot.
Even though they were really violent and didn't seem very friendly, that was mostly because of the boys' edgy humor back then.
I think teenagers and young adults' senses of humor are quite different, and that absolutely echoes with Eddsworld's writing. It's fine for tord to be the most violent one, just not as an evil stranger. He even talks a lot more, which isn't what he was like back then.
That's because everyone had similar personalities before tord left. Which is quite a shame...
That explains so much on why Tord was just like how he was before he left, bro just never got the chance to change with the cast. idk how i didnt pick that up sooner😭😭
I think people wish Tord in The End isn't the real one because they long for the time where he was friends with them. Or at least he was hanging out with them instead of being so clearly against them.
Tord in The End not being the real one would mean that the real one didn't deny their friendship, and that the good old times aren't fully gone since Tord, the real one, can still get along with the others.
We all want the good old times to come back, this is the case for a lot of things, not just Eddsworld. This is something that happens when you grow up.
You look back fondly on the easier and simpler times of your childhood, and you wish things could go back to the way they were.
For a good amount of Eddsworld fans, these simpler times might coincide with the time when Tord was still part of the main cast, and they, maybe unconsciously, associate Tord being a part of the cast as part of these simpler times they wish they could go back to.
They care a lot about Eddsword since it was something they grew up with. They are attached to these characters and they want them to be happy together, and that "together" includes Tord.
Personally, I sadly didn't get the chance to grow up with Eddsworld. I discovered its existence with FNF, which I think is a bit of a shame since I missed all the big moments of being part of this fandom.
But even if I don't have the attachment to these characters that the older fans have, I get where they're coming from, I really do.
As I said, we all wish we could go back to when things weren't as stressful and complicated, and that includes me. And I do associate these simpler times to when things were simpler in the fictional works I like.
For example, when I started watching the SMG4 series, it wasn't as dark and serious. It was a stupid fun time to enjoy and get a good laugh while turning your brain off, but now my life is a lot more complicated, and so is the SMG4 series.
I wish things could go back to the way they were, both for my life and the SMG4 series since I associate both to simpler and happier times.
That doesn't mean current SMG4 isn't good, but the original charm is gone, the characters we love went through a lot of trauma (which the writers seem to avoid acknowledging) and it will never be the same as it was.
This is also part of the reason why people were mad at some of the character's redesigns. Getting rid of the old designs means getting further and further away from the original SMG4 series that they've grown to love, and maybe helped them laugh when times were tough.
I think the older Eddsworld fans feel the same way and I can see why. The Clone Tord theory might be way they voice their hope that the good old times aren't completely gone, that they can come back to them.
well said
@@drawingbanana8158 Thanks ^-^
I'm an old fan and I hate this theory. I find it interesting a character who doesn't live for friendship and for himself.
@@tordr3danimation Hey I didn't say this applied to everyone.
As someone who's a fan of SMG4, respectfully, I have to say I disagree with the charm of it being gone.
It's different now, sure, but it's still the same show from way back then, but now they have an actual team and a budget to make their videos and stories much better for the fans and the viewers.
There are still plenty of moments that can make you laugh just like before, but now there's more going on behind the scenes.
Idk if this will make sense but
After Tom is like “take my room I’m leaving” and walks out all angry. There is like a shot where all the boys look shocked at Tom’s reaction. I think Edd and Matt are shocked bc if your friend snaps like that it’s pretty shocking. But for Tord, I think he’s shocked because the level of teasing he was doing was normal back when he was around. So for Tom to leave was shocking as in his mind, this is normal.
You could also take it as him just being shocked.
This is such a great video, with a such great understanding not only about the episodes but in the whole characterization of Tord that's amazing!! ❤❤
Thank you for this video, you gave me a new perspective and appreciation for this episode. I believed the clone theory because I really like Tord and I just didn't want Tord to go. But now I can see all the character development the main three had, everything around them changing while Tord stays the same, it's genius, I love that idea.
“Be careful what you wish for”
“I wish you were *dead*” -Eduardo, The End part 1
after a frustrating and grueling day of school, this is the thing i needed to take my mind of it
Literally there was an episode of Tord and Edd fighting and getting HOSPITALIZED, because Edd was cooking bacon that Tord wanted.
Since tord was so likeable everyone says this theory to defend tords character and hopefully waiting for him to be back as a reformed character
This video, especially the last part, sums up exactly how I feel about what happened to Tord in the end. Awesome video as always!
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for saying this. I always thought the clone theory would be weird, and probably never even came to thought when the writers were making the end.
Thanks for “debunking” this theory! (Ish?)
I never believed tord was a clone, and I really did enjoy The End. My only complaints were that it left some things unexplained, like how he was suddenly fixated on Tom, and you did just explain that it was probably to get access to his room but if you didn't say that then it probably would have NEVER crossed my mind. And also the voice. I was disappointed that they didn't find a Norwegian voice actor for Tord, and it didn't sound very much like him either.
Cool video, it really changed my opinion on the tord is a clone theory.
Tord is still kind of out of character in The End, he talked more than every other character even though he never really talked a lot.
13:48 i do think Tord will actually help his friends if it needs to be done. Maybe the trio would infultrate some underwater base, and it would made them closed somewhere. There would be a camera(placed by red army) and Tord will see them in the moment. And he would actually try his best to help them. I know this looks dumb lol
In my opinion there was no other video that made this theory clearer to me, besides the fact that I recently learned about Eddsworld, I don't know many things about it, but this video makes it quite clear to me what Tord really is. I thank you for this video, your explanation is very good :3
Eddsworld tord content? On my recommended?! In the year of our lord 2024?!?!?!
That's the best explanation I wanted to hear, because I always liked the clone theory and some kinda belive it. But.. at the end of the day I always thought Tord was the Tord we all knew. What I liked about the video is that it wasn't Tord who became more evil than before, but in fact Edd, Tom and Matt became kinder to each other so that Tord would remain the only one who didn't evolve in their friendship. But I still think Tord has become a little more serious than it was before, I don't know if it's good or not, 😅 but I'm very happy for this video!
Honestly, I'm considering this interpretation of The End canon and the true intent of the series. It really feels honest and truly what the creators intended. I Honestly did wish that Tord could be part of the gang again, the 4 crazy wacky best friends, but 3 is still more than enough for me.
okay now that makes alot of sense with this theory you did a great job on making this theory cause DAMN THIS IS FREAKING GOOD
This is a great way to revisit a topic of discussion! - I very much agree with this. 'Bad writing' is not really a viable explanation for me either as far as the story is concerned, it doesn't connect in-universe, its something outside the realm of what is established to be fact. Plus 'Bad Writing' is subjective, not everyone is going to say the writing was bad.
Tord's character has not had the chance to mature in the in way the other three have. I think it's a more compelling story, the clone theory for me could work but I think it cheapens the impact it has both in the characters and the story.
Could Tord being a clone work canonically? (if the Beyond Team ever decide to bring him back in a meaningful way - other than a gag/ reference) Sure - if its written in a believable and respectful manner. I'd personally love to see character development even if its subtlety implied like we saw with Eduardo's sadness/ regretful demeanor in Beaster Bunny.
That spares box at the end of 'New Year, New You' and the sudden Tord yootooz merch has my mind buzzing filled with questions about what the implications and possibilities could be are endless. What could it mean? We will have to just wait and see.
Eddsworld has always been a background secret brainrot of mine since 2010, so much so it's invaded my art journey and content in so many ways, only recently has it come to the surface as something I'm willing to be open about. Safe to say this is the first time I've really commented publically on Eddsworld (outside of my own recent video).
I've always been a sucker for Edd's subtle humour, his work ethic and passion was unmatched and very inspirational, I aspired to it for my own illustration skills.
Tom/Eddie's more narrative approach for an overarching plot was something I really latched onto, was it perfect? No. I can see in the Beyond era some plot points are sticking around, like Jon's death for example which although I'm sad for, on a storytelling front I'm so glad they are not outright dismissing the events of Legacy and following on from what happened; building on what Tom left.
I never looked at it that way and it actually makes sense, if it was the old days, Tord could have done all this and in the end the 4 of them would be sitting on the couch with Edd saying something like "Ah, now everything is back to normal" and the series would continue without a hitch, maybe Tord thought that way when he came back but then realized he couldn't get away with it this time!
Makes me think about Tord's line "Who needs friends when you've got this?"
What if he isn't talking about his robot but about the ongoing feud between the 4 of them
The real clone was the friends we made along the way
Nah, da real clone was watching your mom onlyfans 😌
This is the coolest theory about Eddsworld
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so basically the actual plot of the end was
tord comes back to see his friends have changed but he hasnt
and that leaves with some conflict due to them no longer accepting the old shenanigans they used to do with tord anymore
they grew up
tord stayed young
so i feel like at that last part of the end part 2, tord was somewhat genuinely heart broken
as im thinking he thought they were still okay with his Shenanigans, and nothing looked too out of the ordinary until they actually decided to no longer be friends with him
This was actually very impressive, it opened my eyes and gave me a whole new perspective, I still think the end is a not so good eddisode for different reasons but at least I now can see it in a different way
tomee bear, as someone who adored your previous clone theory, you have BLOWN my mind with this amazing theory :)
I was always confused with the ending and tord, i tried hearing people out about the clone theory but i couldn't as it still made me confused. But this video made me realize that tord.. was just tord. And he'll always be tord. Love this video man, I love how you do these type of videos.
I never believed that Tord was a clone. Mostly because it sounded stupid and didn’t make sense but that video is a absolute masterpiece! Even if someone is just watching it without believing the clone theory , it makes everything look right
The original video was a trip for me, since i knew that the Tord in The End wasn't a clone, but just Tord but more violent, and now you make this video, which almost confirms my assumption
Now that we have the new Tord teaser from the Eddsworld tiktok update, we can also rule out the possibility of Tord being a clone because of the bandage. He’s shown with a cut on his cheek, exactly where his bandage in “The End” is, confirming that he did get hurt somehow along the way on his cheek, and it isn’t just an odd clone fail or gunshot wound from Spares.
Where prosthetic arm tho?
We can't really say anything with absolutely no doubts but just theorize about it, so we gotta wait until Tord comes back. I'm excited tbh
@@portalmaster07 The teaser is most likely before The End since he didn’t bandage his cut yet in the teaser and his face wasn’t messed as it was after Tord Bot exploded.
This is the most satisfieing video, its tord probably, but the end....SO GOOD! the best end of a video i ever saw and i cant shake the feeling of nostalgia, tord was a bad friend, everyone was tbh...but that he felt distrout, somber and sad, thats quite...damn, best video ending, good job
damn rewatching this the end hits even harder, the beat...everything...14:44 is legendary
When the world needed him most he returned
I just thought of The End is not canon, not only does Tord act differently, but the flashback scene for 25ft Under the Seat was changed. Tord is more violent than the others but I wouldn't call him flat out evil. With the Tord taking over in the alternate timeline thing, that wasn't even in the main timeline, and you say the same for Matt in Zombeh Attack. For Tord's Adventure, there was a lot of jokes in Eddsworld Classic about the characters fighting each other, so I wouldn't call one with Tord out of place. There's also multiple instances of Tord being good to his friends, Tord's concern for Tom when he aimed the gun at his eye, Tord helping Edd in Zombeh Attack, Tord and Tom trying to outsmart the murderer in that Halloween Special, along with many others. There’s also the joke about Matt’s personal hell being multiple Edd’s and saying “at least Edd’s dead” and also the “Not the coke machine!” thing. It seems like those moments was played for laughs more than Tord being a serious villain that actually hated his friends.
End has to be canon tho
In recent episodes tom matt and edd live in an apartment
Is that familiar
the end is definitely canon. In beyond the gang lives in an apartment because their house got destroyed, and the neighbors are just Eduardo and Mark because Jon died
Funny thing is that I never believed the stupid theory that Tord was a clone because when I started watching the show I started at the first episodes. I didn't watch the brand new stuff because I wouldn't really know the characters that well, and when I watched The End I was happy to see Tord EXACTLY the same. Then, some theory about Tord being a clone in the end part 1 and 2, I found it idiotic. He's the same as he was before he left, guys (directed at ANYONE who, for some reason, believes Tord's a clone)
Actually i think that Tord is not even that of a villian... Like these guys did a lot of shit together, like in zanta claws 3 Tom literally wanted to kill everyone too.
I actually think the end (i mean the giant robot and tord being evil part) could actualy be the part of the old show, so the end is actually really good written
It makes a lot of sense but he never died in OG Eddsworld to begin with (he died only in Zombeh Attack) but he came back anyways.
i mean... wow,,,, this gave me a whole new and different persepective on legacy tord never thought of this. i was just switching between theory to theory but this one makes a ton of sense and lots of evidence to back it up
The main reason people want Tord to be a clone is so original Tord can return and everything can be normal
"Be careful of what you wish for..."
I actually hate that this makes sense. As much as i love the clone theory, this makes too much sense to be wring, you've changed my view man
You forgot one thing that is inconsistent with Tord's character, it's him being the inventor. The classic episodes never established anything like that. Sure, he liked weapons, war and violence. But he was never a scientist, so The End really makes no sense in this regard, as we see that he himself bulit the giant robot and weird sofa thingies.
But even despite this, I agree with you that the clone theory was never true and never will be. It just doesn't make sense story-wise.
TORD: I’m in your car edvard
EDD: cut that out!!
TORD: no
My version:)
Wow you really made me look at The End at a whole new different perspective and made Tord actually interesting. Holy hell amazing theory man!!
Fun fact: Before his departure in 2008, Tord is actually the least destructive in the group, and the most destructive is Edd. You would know this if you also observed the others three in the retro era.
6:48 BRO THE GUN SHOT WAS PERFECTLY CUT OFF BY AN AD
You Know I Think The Reason Tord Acts Violent In The First Place Is Because of Some Sort of Trauma Similar To The Trauma Tom Had From The Death of His Pineapple Mother But Tord's Trauma Could Be Worse Then That But It’s Just An Idea I Had
This theory is the reason I love the end! I’ve always thought tord had regretted what he did and has to live with it. Something I’ve thought different tho is he hadn’t spent a lot of time with Edd, Matt, and Tom when he came back, so it’s confusing for me to think he would change. I feel like Tord wouldn’t change because, wouldn’t he try to make amends by now? That’s just my thoughts but you know, it’s just a theory, a Eddsworld theory, thanks for reading!
With a Tord teaser being revealed, I’m starting to theorize what it could mean as the possibilities are interesting. Maybe the clone theory is real, or maybe it could mean something else. Either way I’m looking forward to seeing what happens
I always thought that the bandage in his cheek was hiding a red army tattoo that he got when he started it. that was my headcanon
THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
i burst out laughing at the "see heres the thing!" bit, well done!
not going to lie, this video made me appreciate the end more mostly by how accurate it is to the whole series. The amount of references to older episodes is insane
I have a posible explanation for the whole Tord being evil thing in The End. My guess is Tord was a spy sent by the red army to spy on the UK but he was demoted after Moving Targets for accidentally destroying their base.
my evidence: 1: Tord has an endless variety of weapons most of which are firearms and guns aren’t very easy to get in the UK, 2: Tord has been showed to be very quiet in past eddisodes but in The End he is talkative likely forgetting how his relationship with the boys was as his showed to be surprised when Edd hugged him, and 3: Tord moved away in 25ft under the seat ironically the previous eddisode was Moving Targets and he and the boys accidentally destroyed the red army’s base.
PLEASE EDDSWORLD NEEDS TO STOP MAKING ME CRYYYYY
So we can agree that tord DOES INDEED regret what he did
This video was total whiplash for me, mostly for Tord being my favorite. I don’t know if so love this video, absolutely hate it or both. I never saw Tord in the End as a clone, but I don’t see Tord as evil either and I feel that we only know half of the story. I however got extremely mad when you skip the fact that Tord and Edd were BFFs and yes they had fights and the fights were a little over the top, but I feel like Tord never wanted to kill Edd, making Tord telling Edd that he was not his friend an even more powerful line. I am hoping for him to have a redemption arch. I feel if Tom and Tord had to fight together and actually get along for once would be very interesting to see, and Tom being the one trying to convince Matt and Edd that Tord is now on their side. But I understand if he never gets that. It will hurt my heart but it’s Matt’s decision to make.
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I think tord is the kind of person to do what he did, HOWEVER, I feel that the way he went about it was out of character
Having watched the previous Eddsworld episodes, I couldn't help but notice how cruel, (especially Tord,) could be sometimes. So, yeah - I definitely agree with your hypothesis.
after watching your video abt the clone theory, i tried to believe that 'red leader' indeed was a clone. but it didnt make sense to me, and after watching your updated video, the facts add up and it kinda of gave me this disclosure