Li Time 230Ah Plus 12v Lithium RV | Off Grid | Solar LiFePO4 Battery
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- The Professor reviews the 230Ah Plus LFP drop in lead acid replacement battery with LOW TEMP PROTECTION from LiTime (Ampere Time) perfect for RV camping, van life, off grid, home backup, DIY solar.
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I bought four to add to my current (pun intended) four 200 amp hour batteries. This gives me a total of almost 20kWh of backup, connected to 6.5 kW worth of solar panels. Works flawlessly and powers everything we throw at it without fail. Total cost was around $2300 after all the discounts, which is pretty danged good.
Sounds like a bargain.
I’m not sure about the creative math but when I run it through my ohm’s law calculator I get 2.4 kw hour that comes out to 9.6 kWh not 20kwh’s and I just don’t have the thousands of dollars to spend for the price of your 4 lithium batteries I can buy over 25 deep cycle 100 amp hour batteries now I can see if your trying to do this on your RV but at home connected to solar panels I find it hard to believe that 4 of these 200amp hour batteries can put out more power than 25 deep cycle 100 amp hour batteries. I think it’s just you saying I got the newest toy on the block and I have thousands of dollars more than you do. Now my brother has a hole yard full of harbor freight solar panels most have quit working after about 20 years I moved in with him and connected my 500 wats of panels they are around 10 years old and have all ready not doing so well last month I got a 220 watt panel and connected it up and our batteries are charging so much better we now have lights almost all night just from 1 panel and we don’t have to run the generator so much anymore. My question to you is after spending $2300 on 4 batteries what are you going to charge them with I don’t live on the grid so I just can’t plug in several 250 amp chargers to recharge a bunch of toys to impress the neighbors with because I’ll tell you right now they don’t care and the ones who do will be more likely to come over and break your stuff because you have lights on and they don’t and like I said if your panels are over 10 years old your going to have to replace them soon or run generators to charge your expensive batteries and remember if they do get run down below around 30% they quit working I’ve lost a bunch of lithium batteries because I didn’t get them recharged soon enough. I do wish I had the thousands of dollars you people spend to save a couple of pounds for a couple of years and the creative math I’ll leave it at that
@@glenparker234can you at least afford some punctuation?
4 plus 4 is 8@@glenparker234
$2300 sounds fantastic compared to what I've seen on channels like this.
Hi Everyone. I bought 1 of these on 5-23 for my 330 searay sundancer. It runs the lights fridge water bathroom etc for 3 days. Excellent battery.
Thank you so much for the "batteries for dummies" explanation at the end. I'm in the studying and researching phase of preparing to move to my off grid property, and my brain was telling me that "lead acid is sooo much cheaper", but I guess not.
This review is EXCELLENT! The on screen pop up showing what BMS means and other info should be the standard. Very thorough review.
Great review as always. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, these are an excellent choice for a large bank or, in my case, a single battery in a Sprinter. I bought one and can now upsize my inverter, speed up charging and have much more storage capacity.
I look forward to your videos on this stuff. It looks like you are getting more and more impressed with the quality of the products being introduced.
I am totally off electric grid in Mohave County Arizona since 1996. People ask what these batteries are for. I have three of these in parallel, the 25.8 volt version and they have replaced my 8 Trojan l16 flooded deep cycle batteries.
Over the last 5 to 10 years, I have had to replace 4 or 5 lead acid car batteries. Even with using store and vendor discounts, prices have more than doubled. As higher capacity, LiFePO4 batteries are being produced with lower per watt hour pricing, it really is worth comparing prices with lead acid batteries. In the long run, because of all of the Pros and Cons provided in this video by the Professor, you will most likely come out ahead by choosing LiFeP04 batteries.
Good point. I bought an Anker solar power station and wanted to extend the power. The Li Time 100 amp mini battery doubled the power total and was half the Anker price of their extended battery. Yes you need a charger. With an inverter you have a full backup in case the power station has an issue.
Looks like a great golf cart battery platform. 200A output should allow the cart to go up some hills with people without turning off like many others.
Look into that type of use because on their site (under battery tips) they specifically noted "Not for golf cart use".
I bought one on the black friday sale... I am using it for boondocking in the desert... My old lead acid battery wasn't doing the job running my rv furnace all night (it actually was, but it was going down to 50%)... So I swapped it out... It allows me to keep my solar panels and solar charger hooker up 24/7 and not have to worry about a cold mourning freeze (battery charging below freezing)... And with 230amhr lots of power even if we get a two or three day cloudy/rain event...
I am jealous that your discount was better than mine.. 😎 ❤😮
Well worth the price... discount is the icing on the cake.
Yah I used a code a few days go.Saved 62 bucks !
Congratulations on 190k next stop 200k good job sir. Li Time is looking much better 😊
I am upgrading my 12 volt, 17 year old DIY (replacing my 9 year old 2nd set of lead acid golf cart batteries) solar system to 48 volt LiFePo and adding capacity for EV charging using this battery. Have had one for testing and it has performed well to my expectations. One little light battery runs my freezer and refrigerator without worry. Will be buying more of these. My fellow Tucsonan Hobo Tech will not lead you astray; my go to source for DIY solar along with Will Prouse for over three years. Ty hobo.
I had a Battery Failure due to faulty crimped lugs inside the battery. You should always feel the main terminals for overheating when testing. I pried the top off the battery and soldered the terminal lugs. Problem fixed.
It is getting harder to make buying decisions because the tech and prices are changing so fast. But this is, without a doubt, a good battery. Some of the big brands need to cut their prices soon.
Speaking of chargers. We need a charger for RV’s that can be plugged into an EV charging station. That will be a game changer.
The real issue is that EV charging stations aren't designed with RV's or large vehicles towing trailers in mind.
I like to use those contactless thermometers right up against whatever i'm measuring because they measure in a cone, and the farther away it is from the source the larger that cone is.
you could have a 3000C arc, surrounded by dry ice, but if the sensor is several feet away, it might read below freezing.
I love everything about this battery except the sealed case. Being able to open the case for maintenance such as top balancing of the cells can be a plus unless you need a waterproof battery
Great job yet again Hobo! Thanks for the excellent review of general Battery Tech at the end, I loved it and needed a refresher.
just bought LiFePO4 12V 280Ah Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery for under $800 CDN from Eco Worthy, have a Xantrex 1800 HF for the heart of the charging/inverting system ... nothing hooked up yet ... just getting the parts together
but ... i did buy a LiFePo4 battery for my 1600 cc motorcycle the other day, works great for starting.
Thanks for the QR code - I often fall asleep with the TV streaming and instead of fumbling to my watch history or searching for the video, I could scan the QR code lol
There is still on place where FLA batteries shine, starting your car at -15 F, but that's a pretty limited case. Other than that LiFePo rocks. Keep the good stuff coming.
WOW!! They DO keep getting better and better, and more affordable. Thanks, Hobotech!!
I haven’t thought about Radiskull in ages. Stumbled on this video and saw Devil Doll and got a bit of nostalgia.
dang, this is almost as good as buying bare cells, i picked up 16x280ah cells(48v class) for just under $2000, but that didnt include a BMS, or housing.
Or a 5 year warranty ...
I was about to buy eight eve 280ah cells for 900 bucks also.I don’t have the equipment so now have a warranty for 5 years.I seen stock was down to 6 so bought a 2 pack.
I got 2 of the new eg4 48v batteries and love them have built in bums and 10 yr warranty
I've been waiting patiently for a single battery replacement for 2 6v Trojan T-105 lead acids. I have those in a box on the tongue of my pop up. Not wanting to replace/redrill the box mounts to replace the Trojans, I've wanted a non Battleborn GC2 sized battery. But I also wanted a low temp discharge protection. FINALLY Litime made one. The size of this is slightly smaller than the two Trojan's side by side so this will drop into the battery box with only needing some spacers inside the box to keep it from moving around. The $600 price point verus $1800 or so for 200 aH of Battleborn helps a ton too.
Looking forward to another sale on this battery!
Just ordered one using your promo code. Thanks!
Seeing how quickly the battery density is improving makes me not want to buy any yet, they’ll have a 360 Ah model in the same form factor by next year.
Comprehensive review ! I learned a lot, thanks.
Wow! Once again, learned something new! Thanks !
Professor Hobo,
Another wonderful review.
We just purchased our 1st "Glamper" 🤪 a Grand Design Imagine 22MLE.
I'd love your advice. 😊
She came with a 12V Refer, 1@165W solar panel, a Furrion 25amp, 300W charge controller, and NO INVERTER.
RIGHT AWAY, I learned my 100Ah battery was not cutting it, so I actually purchased this 12V 230Ah LiTime battery a month ago, and a Victron smart shunt. Small start.
BUT NOW:
- I must get some kind of INVERTER & at least 1 (maybe 2) more 165W Solar Panel, and
- likely replace the CHARGE CONTROLLER... Perhaps a 30A or more?
IF I want to Boondock for 3-5 days. Especially IF we want to run the 15,000BTU AC for ~8hrs a night.
I do have an "emergency" small 1600W Inverter Gas Generator (NEMA L5-30R, 13.3A @ 120V). I'd love to NEVER need it.
Cheers!
Eric
I'd wager that a year from now it will have its own built in heater and be closer to .15/Whr. That's perfect because I have that long to come up with justification for another Lipo4 battery purchase to my DW.
About time they stop using old AGM battery cases and start using custom boxes designed for the standard LiFePO4 cells (100, 105, 200, 210, 220, 230, 280, 304'ish)
Great video. I like you unique approach to reviewing and testing this battery. Would like to see a tear down if you're able.
Check out Will Prouse he does tear down and full reviews if he has done a review and tear down he'll tell how good the quality is and any flaws
🤔@@douglaswindsor120
Great Video. I'm going to measure my battery compartment in my 5th wheel to see if this will fit. I think it will fit, since I have two lead acid batteries in there now. The low temp protection is very important for us, as we live in KS and it gets cold here. We don't normally camp in the winter, but do in the spring time, and can sometimes see upper 20's at night. Great video as always!!
Kent
There needs to be some kind of charge controller that will allow each battery to get down to less than 20% before charging it back to over 80%. Typical solar just pumps charge into it during the day, and then drains the things during the night, and it may or may not ever reach those ideal levels. Also, using your LIFEPO to maintain your lead acid at 100% would be brilliant.
You can simply undervolt your charge controller to get it to slow charging around 80%. When RV is in storage, I set it to 13.6v and it holds 80-85% with the fridge on.
Thanks for this review, I’ll be using these for my Main Housebank Battery set on my next Sailboat, to test 4 in parallel to see just how long of a Service Life I can get out of them. Still Boat hunting though so probably will miss all the current offers. 🤣🤣🤣
LiFePO4 do have one Achilles' heel, that is keeping them fully charged long term.
What u talking bout?
I would think I could charge it maybe 2-4 times a year for home use
EXPLAIN please
Another misinformed person. There are no issues keeping them charged long term. I have ones sitting for 2 years that only lost 5% charge.
that's awesome! love your vids especially the CIGS panel shooting target lol@@HOBOTECH
The raw cells can sit for years without appreciable self discharge. The BMS, however, does have a vampire draw so the actual discharge rate depends on the BMS more than it depends on the cells. That said, most LiFepO4 batteries can be shelved and you really only need to check your shelved batteries twice a year to protect your investment. Shelved batteries generally only need to be recharged once a year or so. Again to protect the investment, not necessarily because they actually need to be recharged.
Charge the battery to full. Take off the top 1% with a load (I just throw a PTC heater on the battery for a minute or two), then put it on a shelf at 99% SOC. That's how you do it. Some people try to outsmart the battery and only charge it to 50% but that's silly... the cells still self discharge and letting the battery run below minimums will destroy the cells while the stress from a high charge state at the time of shelving won't do buckus compared to normal calendar aging.
LOVE YOUR REVIEWS!
BMS: "Someting is not right I'm going to have to stop accepting charge right now."
Conventional Alternator: "I'm going to sit here burn myself out now."
I have the smaller one and like it too 👍
Impressive, thanks for another great video!✌️
I have (2) 12v 140 amp high output alternators on our sailing Catamaran with 2/0 cables. I can only pump 200amp into the batteries we have now (100amp each) so, have to limit the alts. These sounds interesting :-)
Thanks Hobotech
A 2-pack will be here Friday .I woulda used your code.
Not too long ago, the race was to get a lithium battery to fall below $1.00 per watt. Wow.
Nice video brother thanks for explaining.......and one question can charge with 500 Watts solar panel??
QUESTION: nickel iron batteries are mostly used for solar homes but large and heavy. Why aren’t smaller nickel iron batteries made for smaller applications?
So it seems like so many people act like it's no big deal to just switch over to lithium , but you have to buy a lot of other items that cost money and you have to do modifications, but it seems like people that make these videos leave that part out ,you can't just buy a lithium battery and throw it in your motorhome, people want to know what's the easiest way change to lithium batteries without paying someone a small fortune to make the necessary changes,, people keep leaving out the fact that you got to buy all this extra stuff to convert it and if you can't do it yourself you have to pay someone, is there a battery that you can use without having to make major upgrades? ,that's what many people are looking for a simple exchange of batteries someone said bluetooth smart batteries , really hard to get complete information for the common Joe that doesn't know a lot about the whole lithium thing
"Drop in replacement" means you drop it in and use it. As long as your charger supports 14.4v (lead acid or lithium) it charges fine. The brains are in the battery. For solar you set to standard flooded lead acid and forget it. The only time you might need to buy something is if your charger is 20+ years old and only provides 13.6v. In that case you go to Progressive Dynamics and get a 3 stage charger for $200 that will do 14.4v. So no, it's not a big deal.
I have these same battery, 3 mos old
LiTime recommend I set my Renogy Rove, 40 A charger controller with these setting:
LiTime Support:
Please correct the data as per the attached.😃
~~~~~~
Boost Charge Return Volt (V) ： 14.4, ok
Over Discharge Return Volt (V) ： 11.8, ok
Low Voltage Alarm (V) ： 11.2, ok
Low Voltage (V) ： 10.4, ok
Discharge Limit Volt (V) ： 10.4, ok
Over Discharge Delay Time (S)： 10, ok
Equalize Charge Time ： 120mins, ok
Boost Charge Time (Minutes)： 270mins, ok
Equalize Charge Interval： 180mins, ok
Temperature Compensation: 0, ok
@@HOBOTECH
Great review! Thanks!!
Nice price
Many heavy trucks allready use lithium to start
Yes lead acid batteries can and do explode I've had 2 do just that 1 was my own lack of knowledge I was trying out a starter and the high discharge and spark was all it took had to go to my doctor to remove a peice of plastic embedded in my hand the other changed how I give boost I'f at all I hook up both ends myself I asked I'f red was positive he said yes he was wrong and I needed a new battery and had to find baking soda as soon as possible fortunately there was a restaurant nearby interesting that garages that work with batteries don't and don't have eye wash bottles either
Thank you for the information appreciate it
Great intro sfx!
Hi, learn something every time 👍🐝🌞
On board a boat, it is not unusual to have a dynamo that delivers up to 200-250A @ 12v.. In fact, I know several people who have mounted 2 of them on the engine in their sailboat... Personally, I run 24V and regularly charge with 200A+.
If it was just a little more capacity it could eke over the 3kwh mark...
Just hook 2 together
To be a complete review open up the case 👍 ..and how to be ok for outdoor if is not able to be charged below 0? 🤥
Another great video!!!
I am looking to buy this battery for my RV. My battery box is outside the rig and the inverter that I have in the rigs is a 1800 W. The solar panel that I have on the roof is 200 W.. I am not an avid battery "connaisseur" so I would like to know if this battery can be used in my RV. We are mostly doing dry camping on the weekend, so the battery will charge during the week I guess. Or if not I will bring it back home at recharge it.
Yes, it will work in your RV. Just don't charge it below freezing.
Great review
Hobo. Can you tell me what I would expect to see on nominal charge at rest? I bought 3-280AH Plus batteries and will be connected in parallel for my RV. I will be charging with 1 of 3 methods. up to 1080 watts of solar. Generator through a 60 AMP Converter. I was thinking of adding the LiTime 80 AMP charger to the 60 amp converter so I get a max mount of 140 amps of charging. Is this something you think would be a good idea?
i AM COVERTING FROM LEAD ACID BATTERY TO 230AH PLUS LITIME BATTERY. WHAT SIZE WIRE DO i NEED FROM THE BATTERY .
I like this one but does anyone make a portable battery box for this size
What lithium ion po4 battery can I use for double duty? One battery to start the motor and run the trolling motor.
Great review, I purchased the battery and was going to install it on top of a wheel well box on its side ( to clear the bed frame) with the posts down and the top of battery graphics right side up so the posts over hanging the box edge and the wiring is on the side of the wheel well box. I emailed Li Time since the manual advised not to do this unless I contacted them. I did and got this exchange,
Thank you contacting LiTime service, it's Ricket, i will be of your any assistance.
To install the 12V 230Ah Plus battery, the front and top side can not towards to the bottom.
As per your installations, you have moved the front side towards to the bottom which was unworkable, you could moved the back side to the bottom to instead of the front side.
Ricket,
Could you explain the technical reasons why this configuration does not work? Also not to be insulting but could you use correct English grammar in explaining it. If this is not possible could you please refer to someone who can.
Hi Collin,
We would like to clarify that why the front and top side of the battery was not allow to face to the bottom, because the locations of the BMS board and the terminals of the battery cells there.
So does that position put pressure on the BMS unit from the weight of the battery cells potentially causing it to fail? The photo and explanation you gave do not clarify this. Again not to be offensive but the language structure is confusing. Do you have an engineer with good written English skills who can explain this to me?
Hi Collin,
Don't worried, The net weight of the battery cells will not make the BMS units under pressure.
If you can't follow our instruction to install this battery, we would recommend you change another model battery to get the expected installation you need.
So based on this exchange and the structure of Li Time LiFePO batteries does anybody see any danger or potential failure by mounting the battery as I would like to position it?
Is this a literal drop in replacement as in the standard alternator will charge this to 100%?
I know you live in a high temp environment like me. How do these batteries do in the heat? I see it says nothing above 70C. With the heat here in Las Vegas we are getting up to 117F. In my metal box on my trailer with the sun on it. I might hit 145F or more. Should I be worried about that? Thanks!
I'n new to this, and am doing a ton of research while learning at the same time. I was leaning towards a REDODO, but now I do not know. I'm wanting to do a diy power bank with 4 or 5 12V DC plugs so that I can run a 12V Dometic, 2 12V fans and 2 cpap machines. Any suggestions? If I do use an inverter it would be something small like 500 or a 1000 watts not interested in A/C that much, as I have an ECOflow.
Less than a year ago, everyone was pushing Battle Born, now it's Big Beard. What happened?
Can I run this in parallel with the li time 100ah battery?
the background music really goes off at 2:30 for no reason lol
So...is there a good video or explanation of how to integrate these into an older RV? Im seeing battery companies advertising their LiFePo4's for things such as lawn tractors. But those are (or were) all designed for SLA's, and are starting batteries.
Would love to see a video on how to implement LiFePo4's in place of SLA's that covers things like charging and so on. Because as i see it, you'd end up having to somehow bypass the charging mechanisms that are integral to the RV or tractor or whatever.
I have one from the summer talking about installing drop ins in my RV. It's Power Queen video.
well said
open up battery so we can see build quality - Thanks
Unnecessary. Li Time / Ampere Time has been torn apart 100 times on UA-cam. It's always high quality stuff. I plan to donate this battery so another reason not to destroy it.
Would you recommend 2-230 ah or 1-460 ah battery??
This is great!
just tryed to buy 4 but they dont except discover
this looks very similar to the iqueen which i have. the terminals, the case, the terminal caps. Very weird. I like that for the same weight it has over 10% more capacity. Also more cycles supposedly. I think my power queen will last me over 10 years, same as this one. Technology is great. i would love to donate mine in 5 years if i can afford a replacement that would have 2x the power (400am / 25 lbs). Incredible. Only thing i miss is low temp cutoff, which this has. My controllers can't be shut off by low temp sensing and we hit 5 degrees below zero this year. If i get a new controller i will see if i can get one with low temp cutoff. Any ideas on a low cutoff solar controller? My renogy has a temp sensor but only for high temp. The other similarity is this Litime and my power queen are both marketed as a Lead Acid "drop in" - to be compatible with just disconnecting a LAcid and just dropping this in. i have Li and LAcid chargers so not a problem, but interesting, for old RV systems? Ty.
Well, we haven't solved the problem of charging lithium batteries below freezing, so you'll still need heating, which wastes power. I'm MacGuyvering a heating solution that's powered by a supplemental solar panel so that the main batteries aren't drained by heating them. I should go check on it, it's a cold, sunny day today.
Not everyone needs heating. If you keep these batteries in an insulated box and simply use them they will stay above freezing.
I use a small Comfytemp Mini Car Electric Blanket, 20 x 24inch 12V 24V Electric Travel Throw with 4 Heat Levels, Amazon
Wprks great & maintains a 470 degree temp, #2 setting(Compy@@HOBOTECH
Perfect!
Don't sleep with a lithium batteries either. They are safer than lead-acid, but care must still be taken. While they don't outgas under normal operation, any sort of runaway (even for LiFepO4 that doesn't result in a fire)... any sort of runaway will still produce massive amounts of toxic smoke and keep producing it for hours.
So at a minimum if putting lithium batteries inside the house be sure there is a smoke detector nearby to alert you if something goes wrong. And don't situate the batteries such that they are inbetween you and your egress from the house.
I wish you would caption centigrade for us non farenheight kids mate. Either way nice tests.
your joking right?
So if the temperature outside is below freezing that battery will not accept a charge?
No. If the cells inside are below freezing they won't charge.
LiTime support does not recommend battery heaters, stating you might melt the battery case. They did say to purchase their 'Heated' batteries if you will be placing these in service where temps will go below 30 degrees fahrenheit@@HOBOTECH
So why would a tesla powerwall costing around 10k without install be better than just getting 4 of these?
The tesla powerwall has inverters , timers for when to charge and when to feed to your house and UL certification.
Very nice!
Hey Hobo Tech. I was thinking. How hard would it be to purchase say an AC200 or any midsize solar generator, and a few of these batteries. Setting it up to when it's plugged in or solar. It would charge a couple of these and IF I lost power I could feed this energy BACK INTO the midsize Solar Generator? In other words, instead of using the add on batteries some of these company's sell, could I make MY OWN extra battery that can be used with ANY device?
So which is better... LI Time or Redodo?
I just ordered this battery for camping running a microwave and small fridge. Going to charge it with 200 watts of solar. Is there any reason to be worried sleeping with this battery beside my head?
Can this be used as a second battery in a SUV/truck? Is there a better option?
Great content, l have a 24 volt 45 amp trolling motor how long would it last with those batteries.✌️
24v x 45A = 1080w. 2944wh/1080w = hours runtime
@Hobotech I’m adding this battery to my travel trailer and wanted to know what amp charger I need. Can I go over the recommended 45amp according to LiTimes spec sheet?
Good question. Very probably. But by how much? .2C is the general guideline. But as you saw in the test, 150 amps in didn’t cause any problems
will these batteries work with a trolling motor
I tried to buy a couple of the 230ah batteries, they would not honor your discount code.
Works just fine on 2x230Ah...
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Hi was just watching your video very good by the way!! And was wondering if it's best to use two 12v/100 amp hr batteries to power 12v/3000 watt inverter or one of these 230 amp hr any thoughts cause the class c RV has a small battery box with two group 27 in it just wondering what's best thanks
Depends on your needs. 230ah is obviously more than 200ah.
@@HOBOTECH your normal small appliances, coffee maker 900w, toaster 750w, microwave 1200w, fridge 2.7 amps on propane?
Actually fridge is 324 watts 120x2.7 amps
I recently purchased two of these. What size inverter would you recommend ? Thank you.
Get whatever size you need gohobo.io/sgp code HOBOTECH or HOBOTECH10
What advice would you have about the best rv batteries for a geography that routinely get below 0 degree F in the winter. I currently use agm to good effect. Would you concur?
Ditch the dinosaur agm. Get the heated Litime using my code .
Nice!