Scoring at 18m/20Yds with my Barebow | Barebow Indoor Tuning Mini-Series
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Fishing up the barebow indoor tuning mini-series I shoot and score at 18 meters or 20 yards. I struggle a bit here and there with my barebow today and share how moving forward I will have more time to spend on practicing and how I plan to fix the issues in my shot.
Chapters:
00:00-3:23 Intro
3:23-6:41 Practice & Sighting In
6:41-18:23 Scoring
18:23-29:17 Strugglefest Summary
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One of the most useful things I find about your videos is your honesty about your own shooting struggles. It helps knowing your process for working through it as well.
Absolutely fantastic… have been waiting for this… sorry about the target panic… would sure love to see you go for it (Lancaster, Vegas, etc.) and take us along… would be a fun educational journey for us regardless of outcome… your depth of knowledge, ability to process, and then to communicate is unmatched.
Thanks for the super thanks and the encouragement, lots more to come!
I second this wholeheartedly. Maybe less pressure on yourself though sire 😁 I realise as I say that I'm just as guilty heh. But if anyone doesn't have to prove anything it's Jake. Now you can do it just for the enjoyment. But yup a walkthrough to the comps and challenges would be fantastic
Thank you for doing this! Even as a (sort of) beginner, I am very process oriented. I can' shoot full time, as I'm on my way to graduating school. But I still shoot often. Without a teacher, I've been struggling to figure out the process. So watching you work through your struggle, and sharing your method of thought is a rare, and wonderful gift! Thanks so much for being a great teacher!
Thank you, glad to help!
Jake, loved hearing about how you plan on working through problems. Knowing more about how you approach "exploratory" practice(trying new techniques, looking for the right things to focus on mentally, etc.) in a productive way, followed by the process you described for thoughtfully and patiently applying it to shooting/scoring at distance would be super helpful!
To me this is one of the most honest and informative that you have done,I find it inspires me to be better ,thank you.
Youre description of where you're at with the shot fits with so many barebow shooters, myself included. I appreciate the candor and openness.
For me, blank bale never helped much because my issue was based in aiming...I can connect fine to a shot until the target's up. One thing a friend recommended was shooting JUST the center of a target, which eliminates other distraction and other aiming references in shooting. It works for me, but I have to re-up with it to keep it fresh.
This is one of my favorite videos you have ever done. Thanks.
Thanks for talking thru your process, and the different camera angles on your form.
I like the discussion about what do you do from here and how to handle it. There’s plenty of times I have felt I’m doing good but I can do better. Thank you for the information.
Thanks Mate... invaluable, constructive, honest, encouraging... Barebow!! Great to hear some advice on the order of events when facing challenges - so often in archery we concentrate on one thing while failing to not pay enough attention to another and it becomes a mental whirlpool. I've resorted to writing form 'to do' lists so I don't forget what I'm supposed to be working AND what isn't broken and doesn't need fixing!!
This is the kind of content I love your channel for. 👍 Thank you!
Absolutely love these videos where you shoot a round and do a commentary on whats going on. So useful to me anyway. I'm considering going down the fat arrow rabbit hole but so far have kept it AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. ie same thin arrows I use for indoor recurve that I know are tuned for 18m with a reasonable string walk......I am SO glad I don't need a psyche trigger: I imagine my forefinger touching the back of my neck and twong, there it goes! Usually! Huge thanks again for all your content. Would love another round with commentary after you've worked on those issues. I'm guessing you'd benefit just from shooting lots of arrows. Looked quite shakey at times. Hilarious btw that I.m trying to give you advise!!!
Real world examples are always appreciated.
looking forward to the content after your project
It’s very helpful to know that even you, an Olympian, can suffer the dreaded TP, and hear how you work through it. I suffered it shooting compound, switched to barebow, had no issues, started scoring well, hey presto, TP reared it’s ugly head again🙄🤨. I’ve been using 400 spine Easton triumphs with 200g points and 5 inch feathers, from 45# at fingers. When I’m not in TP mode, they work great at 18 and 30 metres
Thanks for this video. It’s helpful to see that someone else struggles with their archery.
Thanks for also showing your struggles.
This is great- I'm learning to shoot properly for the first time, and I'm really enjoying watching your technique, it's really helping me see what to do!
Even though I shoot instinctively, your videos have helped me a lot on almost all aspects. Thanks Jake!
Also those are some beautiful helical fletchings
Ditto
Good video, your explanation about how to work through issues was very helpful. When I first started watching your videos it took me a little time to “warm up” to things. Having allowed myself to being more open minded, I do look forward to watching your videos. Thank you for continuing to share your thoughts, knowledge and experience. I am now in the learning phase mentally.
Nice video, thanks for sharing ,great information!
Gotta watch out for those chicken hawks ,protect foghorn leghorn!😁👍🐔🐣🏹
Finally! :D
brilliant for videos such as this the LIKE button needs to be replaced with a LOVE THIS button. excellent work Jake.
Yup you are right. Northern canada we just got 2 feet of snow in last 24hours 😄🤣😂
15:44 I think that's just the nature of Barebow. It's a common thought among us (especially those who just tried or come in from another style) that it's probably the hardest bow to shoot well, despite it's (apparent) simplicity.
Jake nice video & insight. Reinforces what I have been doing for 3 years to overcome target panic. Progressed far with blank bail mostly a non issue. With a target my last step is conquering consistent expansion within 3-4 sec . FYI I shoot a compound bow w a draw check & finger release. Further tips on training what’s between the ears to execute a shot process ones hung up on would be helpful. Thank You again
Watching the bottom of the riser, when you had left shots, the riser was moving to the left on release, Like you have more left pressure on the grip than right.
I will tell you an experience of mine, i was a sportsman too, i practiced taekwondo for 9 years or smth, before i broke a ligament in my knee.
And one time i was in final for the national championship. There was like 15 minutes before my fight.
My master, my team, my family and hundreds of people watching me, i felt like throwing up, i pee like every 2 minutes, i was so scared not to disappoint everyone, i fought all day to get there and just the fact that that was the last match the preassure was so big the only thing i could think of was what excuse to make to quit that fight.
Then one of the trainers come to lead me to the ring, and as i started to walk towards it i knew that's it, i can't go back now. And in those seconds, i said fk it! If i lose this at least i get rid of this horrible feeling, i just didn't care anymore. And i won... I realised that day that the biggest enemy is not my opponent but my own mind. Sometimes the more you try to control your mind the worse you'll feel.
I think you should relax, first get a feel of the arrows and bow so you can release faster, it seems to me you try to control your shoots too much. I think you should give your brain a chance to memorize the bow and arrows, and also you should put numbers on the arrows to make sure some arrow is not weird. And after you feel relaxed with that try to aim for score.
Also, taking breaks from sport makes a huge difference, is normal. And who knows, you may never hit the performance you once did, this is something every athlete must learn to let go.
I like the idea of numbering the arrows.
Man bro ur doing so good how do u feel u do that
Lancaster 2024 Jake! Let's do this!
Vegas would be more fun
Hey could you do a review on the 2021 W&W Winex 25" ILF riser.
Only got one arrow set Wich is a 300 spine brux (23), with 150 grnpoints. Biggest improvement so far was lowering anchor point so it's closer to a recurve one. Might try a heavy set of x23 at some point. Biggest issue for indoor season is the lack of practice due to work and club hours overlapping Wich makes indoor season basically astra season 🤣.
I tried to set up and tune my barebow with Easton 2312’s at 18 meters….I kind of ran into the same situation…..I know my form was part of the grouping inconsistencies but I also felt that the arrows were not as forgiving…..went back to my Victory shafts with better results
I am new to the game and not shooting at a high level. But outdoor carbon arrows feel just fine for me at 18 m (other than being harder to spot).
4 fletch - good shooting!
3 fletch. But lots of helical!
@@JakeKaminskiArchery hey Jake, i mean that I bet 4 fletch will help with your big arrow flight at your Skill level.
Ah, gotcha!
You shoot with similar range conditions as I. That mottled shade can ruin your target picture and string blur.
I've been happy with my x23-14s and 180 grs points with my recurve (31.5-inch arrow length and 40 pounds).
The flight is relatively slow with the feathers I've put on but they straighten up quickly!
I've tried outdoor arrows and 2114s (recommended by Easton) but I tend to get more flighers with those faster setups.
My mental game has to catch up these days. I was usually shooting 260-270s and this year has been a bit of a breakthrough. I'm now shooting low 280s on bad days and into the 290s when everything goes smoothly.
Last weekend, for example, during the second half of my WA round, I was losing focus when expanding, which cost me about half a dozen points. Any exercises you could provide to help keep focus throughout?
Where do you get the large black foam target backer and how much $$ are they?
I've had the same problem, coach told me to cant the bow, issue has been how much to do so.
Hi Jake,
May I ask how much longer are your indoor arrows compared to your outdoor arrows.
Can the psychotrigger be when you feel good alignment in the body? I'm trying something like that...
Have you heard of the psychoactive trigger by way of the feathers on the arrow? It may be another way for you to achieve that clicker like response as opposed to the grip sear. The trigger being the feather brushing against your nose or face while you continue pulling back through the shot. My thinking as far as alignment goes using a grip sear puts a lot of good attention and focus away from the arrow. I have never tried a grip sear method so I can only speculate. However, I can imagine it's incredibly difficult to get away from needing a trigger while simultaneously aiming from the point of the arrow.
On another note, would be great to see you at Lancaster! Hope you get there as your schedule and training permit. I'm sure you'd make it past the first round with ease once you get your mind set to it.
I have heard but I string walk and the arrow position. Changes place depending on where I draw from.
I’ve gone back and forth on indoor arrow setups.
I shot my first really solid (270+) score with full length (31”) Victory VAPs. The smaller arrow does allow for more precise aiming, and can help you feel more comfortable floating in the yellow, since your float can stay in the yellow.
I’ve shot my personal best FITA with CX Maxima Pro Recurve RZs. They’re just a very forgiving arrow. I’m not sure if this was shot with cut down 580s or full length 420s (my notes are unclear).
I’ve shot my highest average, and my best Lancaster round with light weight 23s similar to the ones you’re shooting here, but they were 33” long. They don’t hit the 10 more often, but they’re way more likely to be an X when they do.
Heavy aluminum arrows were too unforgiving of tension loss. I shot some really high scores, but if I was off I was really off.
If I’m being honest, I really think reducing your bow weight even further would help with your target panic. Most people aren’t shooting more than 38# indoors. This allows for smaller crawls while still pulling the string off the finger cleanly. The less tension reduces the feeling of building pressure when you’re trying to hold on the target.
Thanks, that's really interesting. Can you adjust tiller to reduce crawls at higher poundage?
@@typhoon2827 Kind of, but not really. Adjusting your tiller like that is the same as moving your nocking point higher: it will make the arrow impact lower and thus reduce your crawls, but it will change the way the bow holds and the way your arrows tune.
@@InFerrumVeritas thanks 👍🏻👍🏻 (edit but could heavier and lower weights mitigate that?)
What is the fletching do you use?
What kind of work do you do to support your archery habit Financially?
You not seen his 0nlyfans?
Hello Jake, great video!
Don't beat yourself about the arrows not hitting the gold! Not knowing where you are in FL, go to the nearest Adventures Archery(Tampa or Lakeland). They both have a INDOOR 18meter range without having your arrows drift away by the wind!
Well that is Bare Bow.... At least you didn't pull a Demmer... LOL
Are you using 23s or 27s ?
NFAA max arrow OD= 27/64" , WA max arrow OD= 23/64"
23s they are easton SuperDrive 23s
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I am using CarbonExpress X-cutters 23s shafts, Range-O-Matic 4" Spin Wings, CX 150gr points for 2 years now. In those 2 years I have lost 1 spin wing and robinhooded 2 of my own arrows(fix the pin bushing with a file and replace the split nock).
Don't panic, that wasnt your day. 😉 I have a question.... Why is these arrows so much longer than your draw lenght? 10-12 cm longer. Greetings from Hungary! 😁
To reduce the crawl as much as possible.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Oh I see, thanks for the answer! 😀
There is nothing wrong with those arrows as your second-half form shows. You're just out of practice. When or on, you're on.
Before you mentioned it, it was very clear that your TP and psycho/pseudo trigger are holding you back from a great potential. You seem to have a totally defeatist attitude about overcoming this. The vast majority of archers throughout history have shot without a clicker/trigger. You can change your mental control of the shot process and release. It will take time and work but starts with confidence and willingness to change. Good luck. Sooner or later, you will be consistently in the winners circle.
I hear you, but I’ve never seen a clear explanation of a “triggerless” shot that I, a person of an analytical mindset can wrap my head around.
Until I do, I’ll continue to trudge through the hard work that is required (it was also required on recurve) to become proficient with the sear method.
If you have a resource to recommend, I’ll check it out.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I returned to archery several years ago and was quickly reminded that I had developed TP partly due to shooting a bow weight that was too heavy for me. I spent hours and hours shooting several times a week working on overcoming this. This is the wrong format for a detailed discussion. Very briefly, two techniques worked for me. First was aim, letdown, aim, letdown. I did this drill a great many times, end after end, typically when also using an Astra shot trainer. I have also used a conscious release mnemonic. I achieve aim and then consciously tell myself "aim, 1, 2, 3, release". There are lots of other methods. As an analytical person I am sure you can find one that will work for you, but none may be quick. At least you don't have a snap shooting issue. You just have to overcome years of relying on a clicker. The big issue is to break the connection between the subconscious processes and make the release a conscious process. I think you will find you have no choice but to resolve this issue and your efforts to find a clicker substitute will be wasted effort. At least that is my guess. BTW, I have spent a great deal of time looking at your videos on form and they have really helped me. Thanks much
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I shot reasonably, but always with target panic so I could never get to my potential. I just could not get on with the sears at all. The thing that started to help me on my way - there is more work to do - was Jes Lysgaard's method.
Background:
I switched to recurve after developing TP with a compound and a finger trigger.
Counting 1,2,3 for me
Won’t work, I’ll speed up the 123 and eventually just release on 1.
Releasing with a conscience process is fine when no target is involved. The issue is when a target is there, if I have any intention of releasing, I can’t aim and “freeze” off target. Drive bys then happen.
With no intention of releasing doing “draw holds” I have literally zero anxiety or issues. I can hold and aim comfortably all day long at any draw length.
Add in the intention to actually let go and it all goes out the window.
Joel Turner and the shot IQ cleanly explain this issue and imho is the only way forward that I can see at this time.
I wish it was different
I don't know how long you tried using 123 and any other technique to break TP. It took me a long time, like 2 years shooting and working on TP at least a couple of sessions a week. I used a variety of techniques and that was the only shooting I did. It is great to have that monkey off my back but it did not come easily. I certainly agree aiming is a part of the TP issue. That is why I found the Astra trainer helpful. I could work my process, including the release, but since the arrow went nowhere, the aiming issue abated. I am a high tech, analytical person. Having my subconscious inflict me with TP was more than my ego could take. Another matter of pride was shooting with friends who had control over their shot process when I couldn't. Anyway, positive thinking will lead the way. I AM capable and in control.
I got the impression from this that you are so clicker conditioned that you cannot get a shot off without an external signal ... interesting ... did I get it right ?
Get rid of the clicker
A disabled archery player I don't have a bow to carry on archery I don't have the means to buy a bow Can you provide me with a bow It would be a great help to me
These bows are a joke, they are too predictable and stable. You should do this with a Mongolian/Chinese bow. You would miss more and in an inverse proportion your pleasure will be greater!
That’s why there are different classes and divisions! Don’t hate on a different style!
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What exactly is the “joke” about them? Advocating for missing whatever you’re shooting at sounds pretty irresponsible to me, but what do I know 🤷🏻♂️ I’d rather have my bow be as predictable and stable as they can be.
Also, Comparing a WA barebow to a traditional Mongolian/Chinese bow is apples to oranges dude.
Can't agree with this..
Your anchor looks rough for barebow tbh, crawl is likely too long also
What is the brand of your Barebow weights? I was at Lancaster and didn’t see any like those.
One is a prototype and the other is from thunderstruck archery.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery thank you. I did find on the Yost website that they have a brass one that is 26 oz.