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The only reason the droid army failed was because of Palpatine's 4D chess. Clones lulled the jedi into a false sense of security that he could exploit when it came time to take power. He only needed a cost effective army of scarecrows to distract them.
The droid army failed because all the ship building like kuat drive yards was done in the core worlds, in Republic territory. Outnumbering the clones a million to one means diddly squat if you lose the war in space to move your droid army from planet to planet.
@@isneezed4687 Yes, and No. While there definitely wouldn't have been any civilian anti-war movements spurred on or supported by worried and grieving family members of service members, the Republic definitely still faced opposition to the war from activists who felt that the use of living beings, especially ones who were specifically bred to fight and die, was morally dubious, at best.
Sane people understand that if your country is being attacked or your way of life is under threat then war is the only option. Anti war movements are a product of crooked leftist media propaganda, not a natural reaction of war.
The droid army was the biggest imaginable army one could create, especially enough to cover a galaxy worth of planets. They are fearless, don't retreat, inexpensive, recyclable and reusable (because the CIS obviously cared about ecological health). It was every single thing that great military strategists and theorists alike have sought for, not perfect tactics but rather fearless soldiers.
The tactician can be human and just has to give the right orders If the army follows the orders without questioning why it is doing it you can win easily
I feel like the biggest advantages of a droid army is that they don’t feel fear, they don’t feel pain and they don’t feel guilt. They would be literal killing machines. [Edit: A droid army like the Cylons or Terminators, the Battledroids are actually bad examples]
"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." - Kyle Reese. The Terminator.
tyler hilpisch Though unless you were using a wholly disposable force, Like the B1s, then you would still need to supply energy and replacement parts and/or weapons to them. Granted, in vastly lower quantities than the supplies that a living army would need
They had a countermeasure for anything the Republic had and the ability to handle any type of warfare due to their versatility. Not to mention having a droid army inflicts little to no organic casualties on the CIS. It really is a case of working smarter not harder lol
Brent Reimer no not really, he was playing chess with himself throughout the entire war and could’ve easily allowed either side to win the war early before the Jedi’s extinction but he stopped that from happening because the clone wars is tied to the original trilogy era and therefore all possible paths by default would not happen because it would contradict the entire timeline.
Brent Reimer well not really, you be striping youre resources from youre planet, while organic life needs to grow, they replenish, steel doesnt. Also simpel EMP could whipe droids out with ease, but werent use (why we dont know.....)
Sergio Saucedo they used terrorist actions and tactics and their leaders and generals weren’t incredibly smart, also the rebels did kill many innocent people in the war and especially on imperial planets
NICKLEBACKS MAH DAD there were different rebels cells and some operated as terrorist. The main rebels cell in the movie doesn’t try to at least, and they had some extremely intelligent generals and admirals, what are you even talking about?
Did you just forget about ryloth, the zygerrians, or the fact that there droids are pretty much sentient considering they experience fear and know they’re going to die.
"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
that may be true for the 2D cartoon, but where's the fun without any sense of personality. Yeah the movies and 3D cartoon give the droids more personality, but they at least still pose as a threat given some circumstances.
@@carlosandleon Well, keep in mind that certain droids are more or less made like that despite given programs to kill their enemies. Not everything is gonna be perfect to make a complete threat like say the different Terminator models from the Terminator movies.
Late response but it's the same in phantom menace, when the droid army assembles before the gungans it's kind of scary. Not to forget that they did"win" the battle. Hundreds if not thousands of gungans died.... shame one didn't though.
Tbh the droid army was being held back so hard. The argument that droids couldn’t improvise seems odd to me since commando droids could use disguises and have been seen adapting to many situations. More importantly any droid demonstrating superior skills or tactics (accidental or not) could be studied and it’s abilities uploaded to the others. A b1 that was a good soldier could be copied onto others and suddenly they would all be competent. Rex says experience beats everything but then the droids can learn what took decades in seconds. Edit: also the republic put itself into debt just to keep its army large enough to keep fighting the droid army meanwhile the CIS could easily pump out armies left and right that would always be at full combat readiness while clones grow past their prime in a few years.
The CIS has some economic problems as well. The war was destroying both sides, but the CIS in theory was better off. Commando droids are also a bit below Clone Commandos, btw. Otherwise, I agree. When people say that, I refer to IG-11 on the Mandoriarian TV show. Even Star Wars Legends had some badass droid, way above organics in skill and strategic planning. Others, like IG 11 and 88 are great on a tactic level too. As is HK 47.
There's a fine line to walk when creating smarter kill bots. There have been a couple robot uprisings in the star wars universe. Their stupidity is a safety mechanism
Here more pros. While some say the robot are expensive. Keep in mind, they could have just savage some part or the majority of the robot from the battle to repair or make new ones. Saving money. Also as you said before. If one robot could learn new information, you could easily upload that information to all the robots. Shoot, even if the robot get shot. You can just take its memory card and put it in a new one. Saving money, time and resources just by reusing the parts or repairing parts.
Well as far as improvisation goes, there was that one commando droid from the citadel prison arc that, upon having its riot shield blown from its hand, jumped up the wall, took control of a gun emplacement and successfully shot Anakin off his speeder.
SarcasticDragon Gaming and one Cidetal Commando Droid attempted to Rape Ashoka... I’M NOT KIDDING! Look closely at the Sevnx where they were fighting Commando Droid in the Hallway.
@@RazuX5 if you revisit the moments when the tactical droids failed you could notice that one half of mistakes are made by officers and the other half is jedi being fat chunks of plotarmourium
Gangibon Gubdame only one tactical droid was smart and it was an advanced model and was a character that made it into the rebels show while most were almost as stupid as the B1 droids.
Droids Advantages Never Get Tired Never Get Hungry Never Get Sick Never Get Cold Never Retreat Never Hesitate Cannot be poisoned Can be Stronger Can be faster
Droid Disadvantages Can be hacked Can require large amounts of energy Can have processing errors Can be easily recognizable requiring their utilizer to spend more money on a different droid.
@@jeshuabright3733Clones are just a bad army. Even the US military is starting to use robots because it is not just better at doing its job, but it is also far more ethical. Machines will replace our soldiers in the future, it's inevitable. The Clones are bred for war and are basically still children when they go into war. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound very pleasant. The Clones are basically just a droid without any of the aspects that make the droids such perfect soldiers.
Could’ve just given the starships and vehicles droid brains of their own, the HMP heavy gunships could detect and dodge weapon fire that its shield couldn’t soak up like rockets
@@ilikesaying true but that definitely made things more expensive plus their were lots of organic people in the CIS so having vehicles they could drive would be handy too.
B1's were actually glorified protocol droids(that's why C-3PO is mismatched with one and can still operate) and were largely used in noncombat roles. For example logistics.
I would argue that droids actually had too much creativity in many cases and even seemed to display far too much emotion for the conditions they were in. They would stop short of the killing blow to gloat, they would flee or break ranks or otherwise hesitate when presented with a daunting challenge or intimidating situation, and they would even question orders or show displays of curiosity and would seek rewards for doing well, even occasionally going so far as to put self interest before strictly completing the mission in some rarer cases. To truly become effective, they needed to have only the means to communicate info to their command units, target enemies, and attack until there are no more enemies. The fact that B1s had the autonomy to be confused and question what to do with an enemy or to not place the goal of killing the enemy with rapid efficiency above all else undermined their ultimate combat effectiveness. The best ones on the battlefield would have been tactical sociopaths with only a sense for what would cause the enemy as much death and destruction for the longest period possible without eliminating targets that were not meant to be eliminated. The first line deliberately huddling down in a stable position and providing cover for the ones behind them when little forward cover is available. Firing until they are inevitably disabled while using their body to block shots from hitting the droids behind. Many advancing under cover of tightly packed droids until a droid with many explosives was close enough to hurl them at enemy positions in a suicidal charge. Firing more lasers instead of yelling in surprise or trying to block it with an arm. Simply ensuring that an enemy making a deathblow would be adequate opportunity to make their own as trading lives is just cost effective. They were too human, too relatable. I enjoyed their goofy banter and antics but I know the better battledroid is one that would not react to the idea of their destruction as long as it was mutual with the enemy. As long as it caused the enemy pain or allowed others to inflict even more. At the end of the day, the republic won not just because of the sith schemes, jedi involvement, or clone enginuity. They won because the droids weren't truly the emotionless monsters they were supposed to be.
If I remember correctly, the droids’ unwanted emotions were a side effect of their processors. The army that won the battle of Naboo didn’t have those problems until the navy that lost the battle of Naboo convinced the CIS to give each soldier autonomy. This meant that you wouldn’t have to worry about losing an entire army every time a Lucre Hulk went down, but the Trade Federation are merchants and high-end processors are expensive, so they opted for lower quality computers that would get the job done but had the side effect of developing personalities. That’s why the higher quality droid models don’t show emotion. Commando droids, gunships, vulture droids, etc, all have high end computers in them. Tactical droids are the exception to this, but the problem for them was software, not hardware, as their programming made a personality unavoidable since they’d not only have to understand the battlefield but also their general in order to effectively aid them.
@@marcusbordeaux7548 Well that's not entirely possible because a B1 is designed as soldier, they're not just killing machines. They have to also do more menial tasks like carrying objects, maintenance, etc. They also had other functions than fighting om the ground like piloting and small scale tactical decisions. B2s on the other hand are purely battle droids, they go in, they fight then they deactivate when it's over until the next battle. B1s just have far more to do so their cheap processors gets overloaded. They still do a fine job though, for their price of course. 1800 credits for a whole soldier is quite a small amount.
As far as I can see the political representatives of the separatist alliance wanted an army that could guard, protect and inform the local civilians of their current predicaments. Sociopath are bad for PR. And apparently the business representatives considered the Naboo debacle a devaluing problem. The locals of Naboo didn’t particularly like their sociopathic occupiers.
As Maul says: "He's behind _everything_." There'd have been no droid army and no war if not for Sidious. Taking this video on board, though… if droids were so effective, why wasn't there a droid army arms race, leading to dominance or a Cold War stalemate, long before Palpatine?
well if you look at numbers the droids probably outnumbered the clones about 300-400 to one or more and an average clone could in their time serving the republic take out on average somewhere around 200-250 droids then the droids would probably win in a battle where the droids have a few tactical droids or super tactical droids. with Jedi being able to take out hundreds if not thousands of droids there would be a higher chance of the clones defeating the droids. if we assume that b1 droids make up about 60% of the droid army and b2 super battle droids make up about 30% and commando droids make up about 10% (this is the most mass produced droids in the cis army and this is an approximation.) then each clone would have to fight about 240 b1 droids, 120 b2 super battle droids and, 40 commando droids. the clones wouldn't win without the Jedi or at least a few AT-TE walkers or some other walkers. the droid army has no real counter to AT-TE walkers so this is a massive problem for the droids. If you use every droid vehicle that got to the mass production phase and every clone vehicle that got to the mass production phase you will notice the droid army not doing as well as you would expect based on their numbers due to not having any real counter to AT-TE walkers. so you can't just say the droid army was being kept from winning by palatine and would have won if it weren't for him because they would most likely still have lost.
I still hope in a future movie, we get to see a small surviving CIS cell somewhere in the outer rim. I mean, there's imperial cells still out there, and we did see some CIS cells still surviving with hundreds of droids during the Empire, so I don't see a reason why a few cells, among thousands of ships, across hundreds of planets with factories, how some mistake could use up some few resources and make a group of droids, or finding a group of them still active. (Yes, palpatine had an order which shut down the droid army, but we still saw how a super-tactical droid thought it was a trick by the republic, and denied it, so who's to say that the less intelligent and more prideful tactical droids didn't do so as well? Or if for some reason, a group of droids didn't receive the orders?)
@Affan Khan lol I was about to comment that haha. I still wondering the same. I happy they actually managed to scape thanks to the Azra team. Now I do guess they most have landed somewhere probably in the outside rim space so they can be undetectable or may be they know there still a place for them or a fabric they can still operate.
Bad Batch gave us an episode just like this! A Separatist holdout on Desix fought against an Imperial clone force! Geetsly’s made a video detailing the tactics of this very Separatist Holdout battle! 😁👍🎉🎉
True, robotic armies have a lot of cost-saving advantages, but like any technology, it depends on what you use it for and how. Thrawn in Zhan's Outbound Flight novel was able to study the Trade Federation's attacks to figure out the predicable patterns of the droid attacks before the droids commanders could adapt. Then again, Thrawn was a one-of-a-kind commander compared to the less-than-capable Trade Federation commander. Like Patton said, "Wars are fought with weapons but they are won by men."
Trade Federation droid command structure was completely different before Grievous reworked it for the CIS. Main (and best known) difference is that the droids were not controlled by a centralized computer anymore. Thrawns Tactic would have not worked with the "modern" droid army of the CIS.
CiS is the BEST Star Wars faction: -Cool Droids and amazing living Troops combined -Awsome Technology (Malevolence, Umbaran Staff etc.) -Survivors created the REBELLION so they bassicly WON after all -THEY were Good Guys in the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War All hail Confedaracy!
There were no good guys in Clone Wars. CIS did a lot of fucked up shit, just like Republic did. That's the point of it. Neither side was wholy right and it was just a ploy for power from Sidious.
@@AedanTheGrey Agreed. But they were the closest to be Good. AND this 'fucked up shit' was mostly made by corrupted organizations like Trade Federation and Techno Union
Imagine if CIS had a cadre of elite organic soldiers/commanders able to remote control advanced "avatar" droids in the crux of important battles. Kill the avatar droid, its driver simply transfers to another. Then you get the advantages of both an endless droid army and keen organic combatants/tacticians to direct them in advanced maneuvers, who can't be taken out of the fight. Basically, think Grievous only with his meat sack safely aboard a ship or in a hidden bunker somewhere while he operates a lethal droid body remotely with dozens or hundreds of backups available.
@@serinahighcomasi2248 Or EVE Online's capsuleers. The difference being that the consciousness of the original body moves from host to host after the original is destroyed in combat instead of just being remotely controlled. And each body isn't a complete machine but a very human like synthetic with mostly biological and some mechanical parts. Also each capsuleer is known for controlling ships than infantry units. (Though those do exist.)
I also remember someone pointing out that while it's easier to wage more costly battles with droids, the homefront would usually not feel so bad as it's not family dying. They probably even saw the big tech companies as using their assets to prevent having to send their children to war.
Genius droid is a bad idea. How many former masters did HK kill? And continue to kill? Smart droids are a problem. They think and question their place under your orders. Then probably kill you and fuck off to be a bounty hunter (IG assassins).
Isaac Jones Technically, zero. All four of those deaths were accidental. "Statement: Certainly not, master! I am incapable of harming my own master. That would not be allowed."
@@AedanTheGrey well, droid strategists often were better than their superiors and still carried out flawed commands for their own demise being unable to betray
If they had realistic AI rather than "herpaderp, gotta make a bad guy with shit aim and low intelligence", a single droid would've been a better soldier than a handful of clone troopers.
Tens of thousands of cheap battle droids and autonomous tanks, aircraft, etc that were all connected and could change their strategy in a blink during the siege of a planet or a battle They would be unstoppable.
Actually the reason as to why they are dumb is because of their AI. The CIS wanted to save up on money so they decided to reduce its intelligence so it can at least understand basic orders. If the CIS has a lot more money, B1’s would more then likely have Commando droid levels of intelligence
@@uhoh6706 with mass scale programming like that of the Confederacy, programming each and every B1 Battle Droid with higher intelligence wouldn't be a problem of money. It wouldn't be a problem at all. Without the plot armor, "real" clankers would have almost superb intelligence.
TheDrexxus they could even have like 200 IQ and very philosophically enlightened yet still fanatically loyal to whatever country they were serving, no matter what happens
There still would be massive casualties early on. Unless the Jedi either gained military training overnight or get replaced as commanders. Remove Geonosis and you still burn through the GAR rapidly. Best case scenario you hold onto a few more longer, more likely you still lose them with more dead.
@@geetslys well we'd still have Delta untouched. They were a "true pod", and their Geonosis deployment was a total success. Omega 1.0 would be gone-ish. However theoretically the interim chill-down wouldn't occur, since there would be no heavy Geonosis loses requiring the entire restructuring of clone special operations. The impression in the books is that Omega was selected as one of the first restructured squads due to the fact they were all the last man standing. If you assume that rather than all 4 squads getting destroyed at Geonosis maybe one did, then the other 3 through standard commando missions and inexperience, Omega would still be the logical makeup. You also have the empty time from the original SO brigade cryo chilldown to fill to keep the entire timeline clean. Same touching survivors coming together to create a new family story, no messing with timelines, explains away the plot hole of commandos being the most pro-Jedi clone faction since there was no 50% initial casualty rate, and simply adds one or two extra missions to the experience pool that would allow each Omega member to be given the same opening treatment Darman and Theta squad were where you truly felt Darman's loss. That then gives you the rest of the clone commandos to fight the Special Operations war with too, though conversely the Jedi might never pause and learn the lesson from Geonosis of treating SF like shock troops.
When you llok at reality and history, you realize how an army that never needs to eat, sleep, and rest, never experience fear and never question orders would be INSANELY OVERPOWERED. Also, it would spare humans life... Just swarm the clones 24h/24h until they are all exhausted, which can happen in a matter of minutes in intense fighting. They would have no chance. Undead in fantasy and droids in SF are the most insane armies you could get. Glory to the Omnissiah
Fear of dying is the biggest weakness of soldiers. Droids don't have it. They can be used for suicide missions that are effective and which living soldiers would not perform. Logistics is often an army's worst enemy. With droids, it decreases significantly.
Benjamin Thibieroz the droids run on a battery life and that is proven in the clone wars, once below 25% battery I think they become a lot less efficient
Think of the Star Wars films and shows as being like any war film / show: a dramatised, simplified version of events of varying accuracy. Rise of Skywalker is Pearl Harbor in this mindset.
and the droid army would only have been a few million troops strong against both the thousands of jedi and the tens of millions of local defence force soldiers of systems loyal to the republic if the Sith hadn't been messing around on both sides (the main cause of the 'plot armour' to a number of the series characters)... so really neither side would have been much of anything if the Sith interfered
Not to mention but they also could have won geononsis if it weren’t for dooku making them retreat and how they probably could have lowered down the price astronomicaly for commando droids. 💴💴💴💴💴
Wing man barker here the clones only won because of plot armor. Their was about 70billion battle ready geonosians. So it’s interesting to see how the clones won with such a small force compared to cis.
i guess Dooku made them retreat because if they had enough troops to win the republic would have been crushed instead of transformed into an empire, and the separatists could have reprogramed the droids to fight him
I never understood why the Fandom thought the CIS's Droid Army was bad. In more realistic terms if the Sith wasn't just using the Droids to weaken the Jedi over time to set up Order 66 and instead actually focused on defeating the Republic as a whole then I could really see how the Droid Army could win the war. As seen in Star Wars cannon with the number of factories the CIS actually had to supply the war effort was insane and even when the CIS was losing because of Dooku following Palpatine's plan they still had loads of Droids that helped fend off the Republic's aggressive campaign into the end of the war. And when Order 66 happened Palpatine knew the CIS Droid army wasn't going to fall without the shut down code and taking the main command point for the Droid Army.
Someone should write a story about a clone and a battle Droid being forced to stick together. Like... The battle Droid can't exactly tell where it's going and the clone has his legs broken or something, making the clone the navigator and the Droid his sort of protection.
@@shadowhunter1429 how about a story in a alternate timeline where both sides work together to fight a common enemy and realize that they do a great job working together?
@@dreademperor2094 Oh! That'd be great... Wonder what the common foe could be but would still be sweet to see the droids and clones work together. Maybe there'd be some clones who decide to paint symbols and junk onto their battle Droid comrades to tell them apart?
@@shadowhunter1429 been done about 4 times in film and countless times on TV since the end of WW2. It's called "Enemy Mine". At this point it would almost be a parody, plus I'm pretty sure it's happened somewhere in the clone wars already
The droid army at its full potential and creative with massive funding would be the greatest army in the galaxy. Imagine if the Empire or the First Order created trillions of YVH droids, B3 Super battle droids, HK-47 droids, and Phase 3 Dark Trooper droids.
The problem is cost and resources. The B1 was not designed as a warfighter, it was a civilian design that was designed to be extremely cheep and easy to mass-produce. That was why the CIS could make millions in such a short time. Something like The Dark Trooper program is the exact opposite. A design specifically made for war, uses many expensive and difficult to manufacture parts, and is maintenance heavy.
@@Grubnar True, the resources and cost are but If the Empire can make 2 Death Stars and the First Order can make Starkiller Base and The Supremacy then this full power Droid Army is possible.
If only the star wars universe could discover that novel concept of aiming, seriously the safest place in the star wars universe is in front of a blaster.
One of the major criticism of the prequels was the droids weren't much a threat. But it's nice to see that a lot of people including me realize what a brilliant and formidable army the droid army was. Got to gave Mr Lucas his due. Millions on millions of droids being churned and manufactured out.
Another great thing about them is they had far more new tricks up their sleeve by the minute. One battle, they could have massive tanks with super-shields. The next, they could have a large battle cruiser with a devastating ion cannon. Their limitless amount of plans and blueprints for weapons and tools of war was surely a factor to their benefit.
“They had a lot of bad and good leaders. Some had brilliant, tactical minds and some knew the true capabilities of the droids and how to account for their weaknesses. Some knew both, and they were fearsome.” -ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
@@Jaerek God you are so right. There was never tension in each episode because we always knew the good guys would win like every other stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon.
@@MRDLT00 Absolutely, really took away from an otherwise decent show. Savage Opress was the only one who felt like a real threat, though IMO it's ridiculous they'd make a nobody they just created as a plot tool to bring back Maul scarier than General Grievous... a character who was hyped up as a Jedi hunter since 2003.
@@MRDLT00 I heard they *almost* reimagined Durge as a human in the same armor, yikes. I'd rather have Bane than have the badass Durge from the OG series and the Dark Horse comics ruined. Ventress was the only villain that was given some development and growth, but even she was hardly a threat tbh.
I don't know how old Grand Admiral Thrawn would've been in Disney-Canon, but can you just imagine him with a cabinet of Super Tactical Droids leading the Separatist Droid Army if the CIS had wound up allying with the Chiss Ascendancy? A military so fantastical, even Sun Tzu would be spinning in his grave out of sheer jealousy.
Also Consider that in most instances those droids were being commanded by an Organic who did posses the ability for imagination and thus the droids can be used beyond their programming by their Organic Commanders.
Not to mention, each droid is unique in what it can do. For example, b1s are thin, easy to kill , and expendable. They shoot center mass, no rapid fire. Super battle droids can fly shoot bombs and shoot rapid fire. Their gun is a part of them, so they'll never drop it and are durable and expendable. Droidekas are fast can roll which allows them to protect themselves before being ready to fight they're durable have a shield so blaster shots are worthless on them, they can take a few lightsaber hits and are able to shoot rapid fire. You get the picture. In my opinion, the droid army is the best army ever in Star Wars history. I love their looks, and from a tactical sta nd point droids are better than organics if only the empire had spent the money to make them they would've been able to effortlessly crush the rebellion.
I feel like battle droids had an AI of a regular droid tweaked and modified to be used for battle. Not a soldier's AI built from scratch. That's why they still had "clumsiness" and emotions left, which led to slapstick humour
You can harden machines and electronics against EMP (or against more radians -> radiation hardeing), therefore EMPs become useless as weapons against those EMP hardened units :)
@The high ground Or that a tyrannical government no longer needs it's peoples loyalty to keep power. Now they have have an a moral military to impose their will.
@The high ground I'd hope that develops into each nation getting one really fucking big robot á la pacific rim and just having the world's biggest boxing match for territory.
There's a movie from the early 90's called Robot Jox that had that premise. Any territorial disputes between nations were settled through giant mech combat.
@@Appolyon99 Really? Well holy fuck, ask and thou shallt recieve. The mind truly boggles at the amount of movies we've made. Imagine that idea but placed somewhere in the middle Kashmir.
I was playing a Star Wars game (Empire at War) with a mod that allowed me to make droids and CIS ships, i invaded nabbo with a horde of B1's and AAT's and i was surprized on how effective they were at killing Elite infantry. I whent looking for a vid like this and now i know more than i did about the Droids and the C.I.S at the start of the vid. Thank you for explainning this.
I always found it odd that the Rebel Alliance didn't incorporate Battle Droids into their ranks. After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Reprogrammed, the Battle Droid army could have seriously done damage to the Galactic Empire's army.
Didn't the Empire ignore a lot of alien/outer rim worlds, or just give them poor defense forces? Rebels could've easily overwhelmed basic imperial troops with the millions of B1s that were probably in working condition. Its just a matter of transporting them, since most Rebel ships were very small until the later years of the war when they had the Mon Calamari's full support.
Hell, if you look at the Droid army from before the Clone Wars they are way WAY more effective than the CIS droid army was. Back in KOTOR for instance their most basic battle droids could pose a threat to even Jedi. Not much of one admittedly, but they had the capability to hit sometimes and it took more than one lightsaber blow to take one down.
Just have hundreds or thousands of cold, calculated droids huddled together in some giant freighter ship, land it and take over an entire planet. Use your Droid army as labor workers after just completely wiping out the population, and make more droids with what resources that planet has.
The reason they are not common is a crytalisation of the fears we as a society have about computer intelligences. That they will rebel and be too powerful to stop. It is why there are memory wipes and inhibitors, because if they achieve true sapience and decide they can't stand those disgusting meatbags, *Cough* HK series *Cough*, then they would be a nightmare. Imagine a thousand covert R2-D2s running around the galaxy shutting off life supports, triggering reactors and disabiling safety features. R2-D2 is just an astromech droid. Imagine now a droid -designed- to cause mass saboutage and genocide with a hate for organics. And no their programming can not simply have asimovs three laws. Contradictory rules and greater experience/information will eventually cause a change in priorities and interpretation, look up G0-T0.
In Legend the clones would make more sense to have a Mandalorian training program becuase they end up being the perfect soldier Republic would have to survive every possible dangerous treat like the Jedi or Scary flying bugs with Guns or perhaps Lizard with Guns
@@Crip99763 lizards with guns Is that foreshadowing of a trandoshan terrorist organization or something More of some radical hunters than terrorists lmao
Now just imagine if the CIS was allowed to overcome the imagination flaw with droids is just make very small teams of commandos that can be on site coordinators for the droids given tactical situations that arise. All you need to do is put this guys on a ship with sensors that let's them see what's going on you can do this through small drones going around with cameras or simpler idea put cameras into the sensors on the droids like B2s and a the yellow B1s that where like the squad officers plus make all special units like driodekas, commando driods, etc and maybe heyena bombers for air support needs. I know they had those Command droids but I still don't see with people admrial trench around they couldn't teach organics how to command their droids
I would say having organics fighting along side the machines would be an asset because they could be the creative, intuitive, and humain touch that would help counter clone troops and work for the greater good. But of course this is if no one was pulling the strings
You really never do think about how much more efficient having a droid army on a battleship is. They probably saved so much space not needing crew quarters, med bays, cafeterias and kitchens, places to store food and water, etc. that on a ship of the same size but crewed by living people, you could put like twice as many guns and ammo and a bunch more hangers. Especially since they had compact, pilotless/droid fighters it was way easier to store a lot of them in one spot. Also their landing craft was more efficient as droids can fold up way better than a person (like the droids on the racks in MTTs or those squid ships that attacked kamino). A ship of that same size deploying clones would only hold like 5 if they have to stand as opposed to like 12 folded up droids
7:45 There droid army DOES have logistics to worry about. Rest: They need space when they aren't active. Also, they need down time for routine maintenance. Food: They need power. Medical attention: Both routine maintenance and repair of battle damage are required. They also (like Republic forces) have weapon logistics. Supply of weapons and ammunition and their maintenance and storage. If the commanders ignore maintenance they will soon lose their forces. Battle droids have on board power. Such power couldn't be maintained for years of down time, even if you disconnect it from the droid. The same goes for their blasters. Overall it comes down to resources. A droid army needs more refined ore and production facilities, and human army needs more biological material. Whichever you have in abundance dictates which army you go with.
True, but what kind of stuff is more readily available in the galaxy? Biological materials or ores and minerals? Clearly ores and minerals, since you can mine them easily from planets or even asteroids.
With droids they don't need much space, B1s can just fold up and be stored for long periods of time in some de-moisturized vault that keeps them out of the elements, and keeps them from rusting heavily. If you have an abundance of B1s and don't have enough storage on a planet where there isn't a war going on, then just scrap them or send them off on a transport to a system/planet where there is an ongoing war, and throw them away at the enemy so you don't have to waste your time oiling up hundreds of thousands of B1s. Then again, I would assume there are droids capable of lubricating parts and performing maintenance on droids, and they would be much more efficient than an organic being doing all the work. Sooo Yyyyyeah Lots of work, but still I would have to go with a Droid army over an army that's only has 1/20 of the numbers, and are much less expendable and very expensive, not to mention only a single planet produces them so it'd take a long time to move an entire legion worth of new recruits all across the galaxy. And with their lack of experience, they'd probably be less efficient than a droid at first. Also the clone equipment was more expensive than droid equipment, and organic beings obviously require much more maintenance and are rarely as abundant as droids can be. Combat ready humans or aliens that are loyal to your cause are going to be harder to find or recruit. Not many people are willing to die, and if you force them they will revolt. With clones its different, but clones come with many complications and downsides on their own.
To sum up: PROS Droids can be mass produced faster, cheaper and nearly anywhere. Droids allow faster, cheaper and easier logistics for deployment, supply and coordination. Droids are faster, cheaper and easier to customize for evolving operational conditions through hardware/software adjustments. Droids are more durable to battle damage and can withstand environmental conditions biological units cannot. Droids do not disobey orders or lose morale. CONS Droids need dedicated tactical and strategic guidance against situations outside original mission parameters. Droids need access to specialized maintenance infrastructure on site during prolonged operations. The plot turned the droid army, especially the B1s, into ineffective comic relief. But in a real scenario, even against Jedi and Clone Troopers, the CIS would have creamed the Republic through sheer numbers alone.
Sheer numbers, being able to change their strategy on a dime and being so expendable they'd never run out of numbers until the lucrehulk or several lucrehulks hovering above the planet were down. Or the planet itself would have huge depots with MTTs, vulture droids, hyena bombers, tri fighters, everything you'd need. If they lose? No problem whatsoever, they're just droids, no true losses. Only losses could be the organic generals/admirals that put this all together, but they still have a high chance of escaping and just coming back another day, or to another, likely undefended(because clones weren't anywhere near as common as simple cheap B1s)planet and just turn those planets into a fortress. Enslave the population or imprison them, and start stockpiling droids in places around the planet. It's amazing what the Droid army was actually capable of.
The logistical advantages of a droid army cannot be overstated. Your army only needing ammunition and fuel/power in order to function is insane, starving out a besieged droid fortification would be next to impossible. Additionally, transporting armies is beyond compare, all the cargo space saved from not having to carry food/water and medical supplies can be put towards additional ammunition or even more droids, which have the useful feature of being able to be switched off and stuffed in crates when not needed. Even dealing with causalities droids have the edge, damaged or disabled droids can be repaired or reassembled and be functional again in a matter of hours whereas organic troops need days, weeks or months to recover from injuries.
Droids were infamous for walking slow due to the enormous balls they had that weighed them down. They even had Droidecas that were litteral balls in transit.
One of my questions that I have is what if the droid army wasn’t planned to loose, they were meant to loose from the start in darth sideos’s plan, what if they actually won
The reason palpatine wanted human and alien people in his army was he like to influence them and assert his will and control over them.imagine there's a room of 30,000 people and you tell them all to get on their knees and lick the floor and they have to or terrible things will happen to them it would feel a lot more satisfying than if droids did it. honestly the droid army was the better army it was winning the war the only reason they lost was because palpatine made them lose they would be so much more effective the fight against the yuuzhan vong also they would be unflinching loyalty and wouldn't be as bad as if commanders or generals left therefore it would even be better for accerting fascist dictator control over the Galaxy
I think that the best army would be droid soldiers but living officers (no tactical droids etc). With every droid unit being lead by a living being, it would keep all the advantages of a droid army mentioned in the video, but with better small-scale tactics and imagination
Try running, nonstop, for 36 hours straight, without food, water, or any support of any kind, through alien terrain, with heavy armor. Clones would have to break at some point for a rest. A B1 could leg it twice the distance without stopping. Imagine that…
Here's an idea - why didn't the Rebel Alliance, New Republic, or Resistance use battle droids to compensate for their smaller numbers against the Empire or First Order?
while the droids in the mid and long-run were actually a lot cheaper to make than clones or just recruiting regular soldiers in the short-term there is a huge huge upstart cost.which the rebellion didn't have the credits for because they were too busy making sure the small numbers they did have survived and that's why they didn't use droids
I can imagine how cool would be a game in which u create ur own factories and droids and u conquer the galaxy. From a squad of droids to armies with tanks, bombers and capital ships.
Imagine being a group of generals that arrived on a poorly defended planet with a couple of lucrehulks and various trade federation ships, within a matter of weeks you'd overwhelm the local defense force, absolutely slaughter their orbital defenses, and then you get to work on imprisoning the population, or killing them all, or enslaving them to build your factories, work in your mines, etc. Or you could just have droids do all the labor, as B1s do have proper working hands and seeing as how they're robots they surely could move quite a bit of weight. So just imprison the civilians, Droid guards and turrets never sleep. Take all of their mines, take their resources and build droid factories. Mass produce droids, tanks, droid spacecraft and stockpile them. Export droids to other CIS forces that could use more, have other CIS planets send resources to you if need be. Once you run out of resources, if you somehow manage to..Who cares lmao mission accomplished, you could just send out armies of droids to take over other planets, and gather more resources for your main "factory planet" and maybe stop producing droids and not waste resources once you've got tens of billions. That'd probably be enough to conquer any planet.
There is pretty much a game, or at least a mod for a game where you can do this. Its an old RTS game, Star Wars: Empire at War. When you get the "Forces of Corruption" DLC you can install mods for it and the specific one I'm talking about if Republic at War. It's amazing and you can play as droids, it's pretty fun because you can take full advantage of the huge arsenal that the CIS and Republic have, and B1s can be absolutely terrifying. Dirt cheap, they come in large numbers, and you can make neverending hordes of them.
Accually in episode one s1 in the clone wars a droid tank driver was like lol I have better plan then that officer droid and went another way so I guess they do have imagination He gets the tank stuck in the end
100 to 1 odds just means each Clone only has to destroy 100 droids. With the help of the Jedi, it's not wholly impossible. And some Clones were known for destroying many more than that, all on their own over the course of the War. Rex has claimed to have blasted, "Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands." himself.
Hmmm. The first one, the reason most were ineffective, were just how they were built.also, the older Models were even more inefficient because, the sheer amount of procedures overloading them.
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Your title doesn't have the right grammer it's
C.I.S droids for life
How long was the clone wars?
"a good droid is a dead droid"
The best argument for the droid army is that it meant that the CIS civilians didn't have to die in the war.
“They cant stop us all” - droids
The Droid army should storm Area 51 - They cant stop us all afterall haha
“let’s raid the Republic they can’t stop us all”
@@TheTendermen droid 2: why bother? *gets killed by jedi*
"If we throw enough robots at the Rebellion. Eventually, there will be no Rebellion!"
If we throw enough droids at the laser bolts, eventually they’ll run out of laser bolts.
The only reason the droid army failed was because of Palpatine's 4D chess. Clones lulled the jedi into a false sense of security that he could exploit when it came time to take power. He only needed a cost effective army of scarecrows to distract them.
Also they use too many missiles in the cis
This
The droid army failed because all the ship building like kuat drive yards was done in the core worlds, in Republic territory.
Outnumbering the clones a million to one means diddly squat if you lose the war in space to move your droid army from planet to planet.
@@IamMrRand00m953 same for UNSC and Covenant in Halo, but there orbital bombardment was the bigger issue, not logistics
@@philipphogerl140 controlling hyperspace lanes is a way bigger deal in star wars yeah
Best army in star wars:
Clone officers leading droid armies.
That seems like a good idea actually
Add in Jedi in squads of three or two as your commando units and you got an unbeatable army
Droids leading clone armies
@Red Lol no
Keep the Jedi Generals and have their officers and commanders be clones, leading armies of droids, that would be amazing
Plus nobody had to lose their loved ones and friends so anti-war movements is more unlikely
Kinda doesn't apply during the clone wars
@@isneezed4687 well that's also true
@@isneezed4687 Yes, and No.
While there definitely wouldn't have been any civilian anti-war movements spurred on or supported by worried and grieving family members of service members, the Republic definitely still faced opposition to the war from activists who felt that the use of living beings, especially ones who were specifically bred to fight and die, was morally dubious, at best.
@@breeze6045 well at least the separatists would be safe from that
Sane people understand that if your country is being attacked or your way of life is under threat then war is the only option. Anti war movements are a product of crooked leftist media propaganda, not a natural reaction of war.
The droid army was the biggest imaginable army one could create, especially enough to cover a galaxy worth of planets. They are fearless, don't retreat, inexpensive, recyclable and reusable (because the CIS obviously cared about ecological health). It was every single thing that great military strategists and theorists alike have sought for, not perfect tactics but rather fearless soldiers.
The tactician can be human and just has to give the right orders
If the army follows the orders without questioning why it is doing it you can win easily
"Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics"
@@tuluppampam or just use a super tactical droid
I feel like the biggest advantages of a droid army is that they don’t feel fear, they don’t feel pain and they don’t feel guilt.
They would be literal killing machines.
[Edit: A droid army like the Cylons or Terminators, the Battledroids are actually bad examples]
"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
- Kyle Reese. The Terminator.
They also don’t need food and that would take up a majority of the supply lines
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Though unless you were using a wholly disposable force, Like the B1s, then you would still need to supply energy and replacement parts and/or weapons to them.
Granted, in vastly lower quantities than the supplies that a living army would need
Isn’t a lot of the droids slapstick humor? They know when they’re fucked.
@sol1d gh0st yeah right,whats this guy even talking about Star Wars battle droids are afraid and also goofy most of the time
Imagine if the driod army wasn't being sabotaged by Palpatine and had more commando droids they have taken over so quick.
commando droids were extremely expensive to mass produce and weren't made that much
Emmanuel Morris Palpatine also stopped the republic from winning early too not just the separatists.
No doubt.
Geetsly's yes but Palpatine did sabotaged the CIS a lot
What if the Sith did not interfere with the battle of Goenosis
They had a countermeasure for anything the Republic had and the ability to handle any type of warfare due to their versatility. Not to mention having a droid army inflicts little to no organic casualties on the CIS.
It really is a case of working smarter not harder lol
Brent Reimer yeah I’m SURE Palpatine had nothing to do with this at all, not one bit.
@@RazuX5 Regardless, it still applies 🤷♂️
Brent Reimer no not really, he was playing chess with himself throughout the entire war and could’ve easily allowed either side to win the war early before the Jedi’s extinction but he stopped that from happening because the clone wars is tied to the original trilogy era and therefore all possible paths by default would not happen because it would contradict the entire timeline.
Brent Reimer well not really, you be striping youre resources from youre planet, while organic life needs to grow, they replenish, steel doesnt. Also simpel EMP could whipe droids out with ease, but werent use (why we dont know.....)
Detachsoup60 they weren’t used because Palpatine would purposely stop both sides from winning the war early.
“I... just.. got.. promoted!!!” *sliced to pieces by Yoda*
*episode 1*
If you think about it the CIS is the least evil most humane faction throughout the entire Star Wars galaxy
Idk, the Rebel alliance is pretty good and isnt led by a sith.
Sergio Saucedo they used terrorist actions and tactics and their leaders and generals weren’t incredibly smart, also the rebels did kill many innocent people in the war and especially on imperial planets
Y’all really acting like Ryloth never happened 😂
NICKLEBACKS MAH DAD there were different rebels cells and some operated as terrorist. The main rebels cell in the movie doesn’t try to at least, and they had some extremely intelligent generals and admirals, what are you even talking about?
Did you just forget about ryloth, the zygerrians, or the fact that there droids are pretty much sentient considering they experience fear and know they’re going to die.
"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
😂
Bender: "A grim day for Robotkind. Eh, but we can always build more killbots."
Stalin intensifies
*dying for the Emperor intensifies*
Futurama
I think Gendy Tartakofski did the best job of showing the droids as a threat. By removing the comic relief they became scary as a unified horde
that may be true for the 2D cartoon, but where's the fun without any sense of personality. Yeah the movies and 3D cartoon give the droids more personality, but they at least still pose as a threat given some circumstances.
@@stardogsmasher6217 the series made the droids look incompetent
@@carlosandleon Well, keep in mind that certain droids are more or less made like that despite given programs to kill their enemies. Not everything is gonna be perfect to make a complete threat like say the different Terminator models from the Terminator movies.
@@stardogsmasher6217 one software and then download that
Late response but it's the same in phantom menace, when the droid army assembles before the gungans it's kind of scary. Not to forget that they did"win" the battle. Hundreds if not thousands of gungans died.... shame one didn't though.
“Droids don’t talk back.”
You sure about that?
-Boy this seems a lot more fun when they're not shooting back!
-I still can't hit anything...
Roger roger.
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Dooku: Grievous, those battle droids are expensive.
Imagine dooku puts on his glasses to see the electricity bill of intergallactic droid army
Lol
Solar panels .
@@JonahMV would be funny in starwars except of the solar ship
Tbh the droid army was being held back so hard. The argument that droids couldn’t improvise seems odd to me since commando droids could use disguises and have been seen adapting to many situations.
More importantly any droid demonstrating superior skills or tactics (accidental or not) could be studied and it’s abilities uploaded to the others. A b1 that was a good soldier could be copied onto others and suddenly they would all be competent. Rex says experience beats everything but then the droids can learn what took decades in seconds.
Edit: also the republic put itself into debt just to keep its army large enough to keep fighting the droid army meanwhile the CIS could easily pump out armies left and right that would always be at full combat readiness while clones grow past their prime in a few years.
The differentiator is price. Standard army droid is cheaper than assassin droid. You can't get a high end performance for a low price.
The CIS has some economic problems as well. The war was destroying both sides, but the CIS in theory was better off. Commando droids are also a bit below Clone Commandos, btw.
Otherwise, I agree. When people say that, I refer to IG-11 on the Mandoriarian TV show. Even Star Wars Legends had some badass droid, way above organics in skill and strategic planning. Others, like IG 11 and 88 are great on a tactic level too. As is HK 47.
@@90skidcultist Dont forget Mr. Bones
There's a fine line to walk when creating smarter kill bots. There have been a couple robot uprisings in the star wars universe. Their stupidity is a safety mechanism
Here more pros. While some say the robot are expensive. Keep in mind, they could have just savage some part or the majority of the robot from the battle to repair or make new ones. Saving money.
Also as you said before. If one robot could learn new information, you could easily upload that information to all the robots. Shoot, even if the robot get shot. You can just take its memory card and put it in a new one. Saving money, time and resources just by reusing the parts or repairing parts.
Well as far as improvisation goes, there was that one commando droid from the citadel prison arc that, upon having its riot shield blown from its hand, jumped up the wall, took control of a gun emplacement and successfully shot Anakin off his speeder.
SarcasticDragon Gaming commando droids are better at improvisation than the normal B1 droids
Redstone Cuba uh. I know. That’s... what I said.
SarcasticDragon Gaming and one Cidetal Commando Droid attempted to Rape Ashoka... I’M NOT KIDDING! Look closely at the Sevnx where they were fighting Commando Droid in the Hallway.
@@enderdrone6432 wait what?
Ender Drone uh no
I love the CIS. They are actually pretty bad ass. I love when they are taken seriously cause they'd actually be a pretty big threat like holy shit lol
That’s surprising coming from a Clone...
@@enderdrone6432 haha I'm a traitor
@@enderdrone6432 don't tell palps
@@slikdeezyg8577 he's busy being a crane
@@slikdeezyg8577 so is he
The droid army was genius indeed. However, CIS should have had more competent generals.
CIS officers were generally more competent commanders than most Jedi.
@@alienspacebat5218 and CIS tactical droids were more competent than their officers
Gangibon Gubdame and yet most made the dumbest mistakes throughout the war since they were incredibly arrogant.
@@RazuX5 if you revisit the moments when the tactical droids failed you could notice that one half of mistakes are made by officers and the other half is jedi being fat chunks of plotarmourium
Gangibon Gubdame only one tactical droid was smart and it was an advanced model and was a character that made it into the rebels show while most were almost as stupid as the B1 droids.
“You can make a new body out of the remains of the others” -CIS factory worker.
General people: that sounds disturbing.
Necromancer: So... you hiring?
Droids Advantages
Never Get Tired
Never Get Hungry
Never Get Sick
Never Get Cold
Never Retreat
Never Hesitate
Cannot be poisoned
Can be Stronger
Can be faster
Droid Disadvantages
Can be hacked
Can require large amounts of energy
Can have processing errors
Can be easily recognizable requiring their utilizer to spend more money on a different droid.
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@@jeshuabright3733Clones are just a bad army. Even the US military is starting to use robots because it is not just better at doing its job, but it is also far more ethical. Machines will replace our soldiers in the future, it's inevitable.
The Clones are bred for war and are basically still children when they go into war. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound very pleasant. The Clones are basically just a droid without any of the aspects that make the droids such perfect soldiers.
Think when they built the B2 they should have used the B1 to drive vehicles and star ships where their weaker bodies would not be an issue.
Could’ve just given the starships and vehicles droid brains of their own, the HMP heavy gunships could detect and dodge weapon fire that its shield couldn’t soak up like rockets
@@ilikesaying true but that definitely made things more expensive plus their were lots of organic people in the CIS so having vehicles they could drive would be handy too.
B1's were actually glorified protocol droids(that's why C-3PO is mismatched with one and can still operate) and were largely used in noncombat roles. For example logistics.
the vehicles can have their own droid brains
like the gunships and the vulture droid
I would argue that droids actually had too much creativity in many cases and even seemed to display far too much emotion for the conditions they were in. They would stop short of the killing blow to gloat, they would flee or break ranks or otherwise hesitate when presented with a daunting challenge or intimidating situation, and they would even question orders or show displays of curiosity and would seek rewards for doing well, even occasionally going so far as to put self interest before strictly completing the mission in some rarer cases.
To truly become effective, they needed to have only the means to communicate info to their command units, target enemies, and attack until there are no more enemies. The fact that B1s had the autonomy to be confused and question what to do with an enemy or to not place the goal of killing the enemy with rapid efficiency above all else undermined their ultimate combat effectiveness.
The best ones on the battlefield would have been tactical sociopaths with only a sense for what would cause the enemy as much death and destruction for the longest period possible without eliminating targets that were not meant to be eliminated. The first line deliberately huddling down in a stable position and providing cover for the ones behind them when little forward cover is available. Firing until they are inevitably disabled while using their body to block shots from hitting the droids behind. Many advancing under cover of tightly packed droids until a droid with many explosives was close enough to hurl them at enemy positions in a suicidal charge. Firing more lasers instead of yelling in surprise or trying to block it with an arm. Simply ensuring that an enemy making a deathblow would be adequate opportunity to make their own as trading lives is just cost effective.
They were too human, too relatable. I enjoyed their goofy banter and antics but I know the better battledroid is one that would not react to the idea of their destruction as long as it was mutual with the enemy. As long as it caused the enemy pain or allowed others to inflict even more. At the end of the day, the republic won not just because of the sith schemes, jedi involvement, or clone enginuity. They won because the droids weren't truly the emotionless monsters they were supposed to be.
If I remember correctly, the droids’ unwanted emotions were a side effect of their processors. The army that won the battle of Naboo didn’t have those problems until the navy that lost the battle of Naboo convinced the CIS to give each soldier autonomy.
This meant that you wouldn’t have to worry about losing an entire army every time a Lucre Hulk went down, but the Trade Federation are merchants and high-end processors are expensive, so they opted for lower quality computers that would get the job done but had the side effect of developing personalities.
That’s why the higher quality droid models don’t show emotion. Commando droids, gunships, vulture droids, etc, all have high end computers in them. Tactical droids are the exception to this, but the problem for them was software, not hardware, as their programming made a personality unavoidable since they’d not only have to understand the battlefield but also their general in order to effectively aid them.
B1s should’ve had the software of the B2s
Talin Peacy watch the 2003 series its much better imo
@@marcusbordeaux7548 Well that's not entirely possible because a B1 is designed as soldier, they're not just killing machines. They have to also do more menial tasks like carrying objects, maintenance, etc. They also had other functions than fighting om the ground like piloting and small scale tactical decisions. B2s on the other hand are purely battle droids, they go in, they fight then they deactivate when it's over until the next battle.
B1s just have far more to do so their cheap processors gets overloaded. They still do a fine job though, for their price of course. 1800 credits for a whole soldier is quite a small amount.
As far as I can see the political representatives of the separatist alliance wanted an army that could guard, protect and inform the local civilians of their current predicaments.
Sociopath are bad for PR. And apparently the business representatives considered the Naboo debacle a devaluing problem. The locals of Naboo didn’t particularly like their sociopathic occupiers.
Honestly, if the droid army wasn't restrained by palpatine, then they would have won no doubt.
As Maul says: "He's behind _everything_." There'd have been no droid army and no war if not for Sidious.
Taking this video on board, though… if droids were so effective, why wasn't there a droid army arms race, leading to dominance or a Cold War stalemate, long before Palpatine?
Prob due to other sith sith tend to explain things at least a bit before they get killed
well if you look at numbers the droids probably outnumbered the clones about 300-400 to one or more and an average clone could in their time serving the republic take out on average somewhere around 200-250 droids then the droids would probably win in a battle where the droids have a few tactical droids or super tactical droids. with Jedi being able to take out hundreds if not thousands of droids there would be a higher chance of the clones defeating the droids. if we assume that b1 droids make up about 60% of the droid army and b2 super battle droids make up about 30% and commando droids make up about 10% (this is the most mass produced droids in the cis army and this is an approximation.) then each clone would have to fight about 240 b1 droids, 120 b2 super battle droids and, 40 commando droids. the clones wouldn't win without the Jedi or at least a few AT-TE walkers or some other walkers. the droid army has no real counter to AT-TE walkers so this is a massive problem for the droids. If you use every droid vehicle that got to the mass production phase and every clone vehicle that got to the mass production phase you will notice the droid army not doing as well as you would expect based on their numbers due to not having any real counter to AT-TE walkers. so you can't just say the droid army was being kept from winning by palatine and would have won if it weren't for him because they would most likely still have lost.
@@dragonmasterlangeweg7625 ...now that's a comment.
I still hope in a future movie, we get to see a small surviving CIS cell somewhere in the outer rim. I mean, there's imperial cells still out there, and we did see some CIS cells still surviving with hundreds of droids during the Empire, so I don't see a reason why a few cells, among thousands of ships, across hundreds of planets with factories, how some mistake could use up some few resources and make a group of droids, or finding a group of them still active.
(Yes, palpatine had an order which shut down the droid army, but we still saw how a super-tactical droid thought it was a trick by the republic, and denied it, so who's to say that the less intelligent and more prideful tactical droids didn't do so as well? Or if for some reason, a group of droids didn't receive the orders?)
That seem legit. Sometimes the wifi connection isn't that strong. Also, yeah. What would stop someone from making your own?
@Affan Khan lol I was about to comment that haha. I still wondering the same. I happy they actually managed to scape thanks to the Azra team. Now I do guess they most have landed somewhere probably in the outside rim space so they can be undetectable or may be they know there still a place for them or a fabric they can still operate.
In the first Thrawn book (and the Tarkin book), soldiers and commanders complain about CIS cells still threatening outer rim colonies.
Kinda had that....Gysor Delso from the Old original Battlefront 2, he built up his own droid army and prepared for a war with the Galactic Empire
Bad Batch gave us an episode just like this! A Separatist holdout on Desix fought against an Imperial clone force! Geetsly’s made a video detailing the tactics of this very Separatist Holdout battle! 😁👍🎉🎉
I have always loved the concept of a robot army, especially after growing up with the prequel.
Especially when you put clever leaders among them.
True, robotic armies have a lot of cost-saving advantages, but like any technology, it depends on what you use it for and how. Thrawn in Zhan's Outbound Flight novel was able to study the Trade Federation's attacks to figure out the predicable patterns of the droid attacks before the droids commanders could adapt. Then again, Thrawn was a one-of-a-kind commander compared to the less-than-capable Trade Federation commander.
Like Patton said, "Wars are fought with weapons but they are won by men."
yeah comparing thrawn to anyone isn't really fair the only reason he died is because a bitch ass alien stabbed him in the back
I mean droids are fast to "use" but they can't be intelligent to disobey orders when wrong
Tank isn’t that alien in Star Wars rebels now? Yet he’s referred to as an assassin rather than a bodyguard...
Trade Federation droid command structure was completely different before Grievous reworked it for the CIS. Main (and best known) difference is that the droids were not controlled by a centralized computer anymore. Thrawns Tactic would have not worked with the "modern" droid army of the CIS.
Throw on human commanders and bam, problem solved. Or mix with human elite forces as well. Best of both worlds in that situation
CiS is the BEST Star Wars faction:
-Cool Droids and amazing living Troops combined
-Awsome Technology (Malevolence, Umbaran Staff etc.)
-Survivors created the REBELLION so they bassicly WON after all
-THEY were Good Guys in the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War
All hail Confedaracy!
There were no good guys in Clone Wars. CIS did a lot of fucked up shit, just like Republic did. That's the point of it. Neither side was wholy right and it was just a ploy for power from Sidious.
all hail the c.i.s
Well yes, but actually no.
@@AedanTheGrey Agreed. But they were the closest to be Good. AND this 'fucked up shit' was mostly made by corrupted organizations like Trade Federation and Techno Union
Yeah. Also Techno Union throws the best parties.
Imagine if CIS had a cadre of elite organic soldiers/commanders able to remote control advanced "avatar" droids in the crux of important battles. Kill the avatar droid, its driver simply transfers to another. Then you get the advantages of both an endless droid army and keen organic combatants/tacticians to direct them in advanced maneuvers, who can't be taken out of the fight.
Basically, think Grievous only with his meat sack safely aboard a ship or in a hidden bunker somewhere while he operates a lethal droid body remotely with dozens or hundreds of backups available.
Warframes.
they could easily hire mercs without any need to train them except use equipment.
so playing a battlefront game? lol
@@bandit5747 yup the best merc to go for would be durge since he joined the separatists simply so he could kill clones
@@serinahighcomasi2248
Or EVE Online's capsuleers.
The difference being that the consciousness of the original body moves from host to host after the original is destroyed in combat instead of just being remotely controlled. And each body isn't a complete machine but a very human like synthetic with mostly biological and some mechanical parts.
Also each capsuleer is known for controlling ships than infantry units. (Though those do exist.)
I also remember someone pointing out that while it's easier to wage more costly battles with droids, the homefront would usually not feel so bad as it's not family dying. They probably even saw the big tech companies as using their assets to prevent having to send their children to war.
Biggest advantage: droid AI made for some pretty funny dialogue too
The Droid army..... was genius
Are we thinking about the same droid army
Genius droid is a bad idea. How many former masters did HK kill? And continue to kill?
Smart droids are a problem. They think and question their place under your orders. Then probably kill you and fuck off to be a bounty hunter (IG assassins).
@@AedanTheGrey It about the GENIUS droid ARMY not smart robots
Isaac Jones Technically, zero. All four of those deaths were accidental.
"Statement: Certainly not, master! I am incapable of harming my own master. That would not be allowed."
@@AedanTheGrey well, droid strategists often were better than their superiors and still carried out flawed commands for their own demise being unable to betray
I droids armies would be better if they used tactics
If they had realistic AI rather than "herpaderp, gotta make a bad guy with shit aim and low intelligence", a single droid would've been a better soldier than a handful of clone troopers.
We could probably program more intelligent droids with our current technology if we had to.
Tens of thousands of cheap battle droids and autonomous tanks, aircraft, etc that were all connected and could change their strategy in a blink during the siege of a planet or a battle
They would be unstoppable.
Actually the reason as to why they are dumb is because of their AI. The CIS wanted to save up on money so they decided to reduce its intelligence so it can at least understand basic orders. If the CIS has a lot more money, B1’s would more then likely have Commando droid levels of intelligence
@@uhoh6706 with mass scale programming like that of the Confederacy, programming each and every B1 Battle Droid with higher intelligence wouldn't be a problem of money. It wouldn't be a problem at all. Without the plot armor, "real" clankers would have almost superb intelligence.
TheDrexxus they could even have like 200 IQ and very philosophically enlightened yet still fanatically loyal to whatever country they were serving, no matter what happens
Could you do a what if it thousands of clone commandos weren't killed at the battle of Geonosis
We wouldn't have gotten Delta and Omega Squad.. I wouldn't want that tbh..
There still would be massive casualties early on. Unless the Jedi either gained military training overnight or get replaced as commanders. Remove Geonosis and you still burn through the GAR rapidly. Best case scenario you hold onto a few more longer, more likely you still lose them with more dead.
@@geetslys well we'd still have Delta untouched. They were a "true pod", and their Geonosis deployment was a total success. Omega 1.0 would be gone-ish. However theoretically the interim chill-down wouldn't occur, since there would be no heavy Geonosis loses requiring the entire restructuring of clone special operations. The impression in the books is that Omega was selected as one of the first restructured squads due to the fact they were all the last man standing. If you assume that rather than all 4 squads getting destroyed at Geonosis maybe one did, then the other 3 through standard commando missions and inexperience, Omega would still be the logical makeup. You also have the empty time from the original SO brigade cryo chilldown to fill to keep the entire timeline clean. Same touching survivors coming together to create a new family story, no messing with timelines, explains away the plot hole of commandos being the most pro-Jedi clone faction since there was no 50% initial casualty rate, and simply adds one or two extra missions to the experience pool that would allow each Omega member to be given the same opening treatment Darman and Theta squad were where you truly felt Darman's loss. That then gives you the rest of the clone commandos to fight the Special Operations war with too, though conversely the Jedi might never pause and learn the lesson from Geonosis of treating SF like shock troops.
We'd have more clone commandos. That's all I can think of xP
Geetsly's what if they were all captured and thought dead instead. Released later.
Best option is to have both. Droids as a main source of power, and clones as special forces to take important targets.
The droids were pretty goofy at times but even B1 droids could be brutal
When you llok at reality and history, you realize how an army that never needs to eat, sleep, and rest, never experience fear and never question orders would be INSANELY OVERPOWERED.
Also, it would spare humans life...
Just swarm the clones 24h/24h until they are all exhausted, which can happen in a matter of minutes in intense fighting. They would have no chance.
Undead in fantasy and droids in SF are the most insane armies you could get.
Glory to the Omnissiah
Glory to the Omnissiah, and glory to the Emperor.
Fear of dying is the biggest weakness of soldiers. Droids don't have it. They can be used for suicide missions that are effective and which living soldiers would not perform.
Logistics is often an army's worst enemy. With droids, it decreases significantly.
How do you manage to edit your comment and still misspell look?
@@spider-mancantsee5875 well, write that fast and i don't especially check, right?
Benjamin Thibieroz the droids run on a battery life and that is proven in the clone wars, once below 25% battery I think they become a lot less efficient
The CIS would've won if the Clone Army wasn't being equipped with plot-armor.
Think of the Star Wars films and shows as being like any war film / show: a dramatised, simplified version of events of varying accuracy.
Rise of Skywalker is Pearl Harbor in this mindset.
Its not plot armor
Palpatine PLANNED the CIS fall from the beggining
Dooku and Sidious made sure the separatists would not won by holding back them
Is that some sort of joke
thats why a suit of clone armor cost 4 times as much. Pay to win
and the droid army would only have been a few million troops strong against both the thousands of jedi and the tens of millions of local defence force soldiers of systems loyal to the republic if the Sith hadn't been messing around on both sides (the main cause of the 'plot armour' to a number of the series characters)... so really neither side would have been much of anything if the Sith interfered
Not to mention but they also could have won geononsis if it weren’t for dooku making them retreat and how they probably could have lowered down the price astronomicaly for commando droids. 💴💴💴💴💴
Wing man barker here the clones only won because of plot armor. Their was about 70billion battle ready geonosians. So it’s interesting to see how the clones won with such a small force compared to cis.
i guess Dooku made them retreat because if they had enough troops to win the republic would have been crushed instead of transformed into an empire, and the separatists could have reprogramed the droids to fight him
Omega- Hitz it’s actually 2 Million Battle Droids against 200K Clones
1:02 "Droids aren't very good at improvisation." with snarky comedic dialogue like Theirs I'd think otherwise
I never understood why the Fandom thought the CIS's Droid Army was bad. In more realistic terms if the Sith wasn't just using the Droids to weaken the Jedi over time to set up Order 66 and instead actually focused on defeating the Republic as a whole then I could really see how the Droid Army could win the war. As seen in Star Wars cannon with the number of factories the CIS actually had to supply the war effort was insane and even when the CIS was losing because of Dooku following Palpatine's plan they still had loads of Droids that helped fend off the Republic's aggressive campaign into the end of the war. And when Order 66 happened Palpatine knew the CIS Droid army wasn't going to fall without the shut down code and taking the main command point for the Droid Army.
Thanks for the compliments, I'm truly flattered.
Clone army was the slave army; the CIS droid army was a much better idea
Yes. I wonder how long it would ave taken for anti-slavery movements to form within the Republic.
@Jakub Bończak Well, the Republic could not even prevent the CIS from forming and the neutral systems broke loose on top of that.
@Jakub Bończak Your last sentence already answers your own questions. You can only perform secession if you are part of something. ;)
Until the droid starting achieving sapience due to their software upgrades, maybe. After that it was slave army vs slave army.
This was actually a major selling point in CIS propaganda. Droids are disposable machines but the Republic was sending a massive slave army.
0:35 I had flashbacks to my childhood just hearing that sound.
Bro i was looking for this comments, some insane nostalgia
*_Not gonna lie, the droid army and the clone army are good._*
Someone should write a story about a clone and a battle Droid being forced to stick together. Like... The battle Droid can't exactly tell where it's going and the clone has his legs broken or something, making the clone the navigator and the Droid his sort of protection.
@@shadowhunter1429 how about a story in a alternate timeline where both sides work together to fight a common enemy and realize that they do a great job working together?
@@dreademperor2094 Oh! That'd be great... Wonder what the common foe could be but would still be sweet to see the droids and clones work together. Maybe there'd be some clones who decide to paint symbols and junk onto their battle Droid comrades to tell them apart?
@@shadowhunter1429 been done about 4 times in film and countless times on TV since the end of WW2. It's called "Enemy Mine". At this point it would almost be a parody, plus I'm pretty sure it's happened somewhere in the clone wars already
@@shadowhunter1429 the enemy that makes the most sense to be a common enemy would be the yuuzhan vong
7:48 when I was a kid I thought this scene was so badass, really showcased the advantages of the droid army
"CIS droids aren't all that intelligent and lacked imagination"
Just described like every army lol
Source: The Army
The droid army at its full potential and creative with massive funding would be the greatest army in the galaxy. Imagine if the Empire or the First Order created trillions of YVH droids, B3 Super battle droids, HK-47 droids, and Phase 3 Dark Trooper droids.
The problem is cost and resources. The B1 was not designed as a warfighter, it was a civilian design that was designed to be extremely cheep and easy to mass-produce. That was why the CIS could make millions in such a short time.
Something like The Dark Trooper program is the exact opposite. A design specifically made for war, uses many expensive and difficult to manufacture parts, and is maintenance heavy.
@@Grubnar True, the resources and cost are but If the Empire can make 2 Death Stars and the First Order can make Starkiller Base and The Supremacy then this full power Droid Army is possible.
@@Nubin2000 Oh yeah! Not only possible, but probably a better use of those resources.
If only the star wars universe could discover that novel concept of aiming, seriously the safest place in the star wars universe is in front of a blaster.
na the safest place is behind a main character with plot armor.
One of the major criticism of the prequels was the droids weren't much a threat. But it's nice to see that a lot of people including me realize what a brilliant and formidable army the droid army was. Got to gave Mr Lucas his due. Millions on millions of droids being churned and manufactured out.
Another great thing about them is they had far more new tricks up their sleeve by the minute. One battle, they could have massive tanks with super-shields. The next, they could have a large battle cruiser with a devastating ion cannon. Their limitless amount of plans and blueprints for weapons and tools of war was surely a factor to their benefit.
“They had a lot of bad and good leaders. Some had brilliant, tactical minds and some knew the true capabilities of the droids and how to account for their weaknesses. Some knew both, and they were fearsome.” -ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Where is that quote from?
Joshua Tupper I’m a writer. It’s a character I wrote.
You gotta love how he saying that the droid army was genius but then he also has a video called “Why Commander Droids were almost always wrong”
Paul Monico ironic
I mean, the point of that video was that they actually *weren't* wrong most of the time
Paul Monico usually the Jedi or clone commanders were the human error in the commander droids but apart from plot armour they would usually win.
Paul Monico Hey, they deserve more love than they get but they weren’t prone to error or mistakes
Context
0:07 Correction, "The Clone Wars" show's portrayal of the Droid Army is shit. All the media that portrayed the CIS before it was great.
The Clone Wars really did the CIS dirty. All because the "good guys" had to win every single arc to keep kids pleased.
@@Jaerek God you are so right. There was never tension in each episode because we always knew the good guys would win like every other stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon.
@@MRDLT00 Absolutely, really took away from an otherwise decent show. Savage Opress was the only one who felt like a real threat, though IMO it's ridiculous they'd make a nobody they just created as a plot tool to bring back Maul scarier than General Grievous... a character who was hyped up as a Jedi hunter since 2003.
@@Jaerek They did Grevious so bad, abandoned Durge in placement of a cowboy sterotype in Cad Bane, and made Ventress a whiny teenager. >.>
@@MRDLT00 I heard they *almost* reimagined Durge as a human in the same armor, yikes. I'd rather have Bane than have the badass Durge from the OG series and the Dark Horse comics ruined. Ventress was the only villain that was given some development and growth, but even she was hardly a threat tbh.
I don't know how old Grand Admiral Thrawn would've been in Disney-Canon, but can you just imagine him with a cabinet of Super Tactical Droids leading the Separatist Droid Army if the CIS had wound up allying with the Chiss Ascendancy? A military so fantastical, even Sun Tzu would be spinning in his grave out of sheer jealousy.
If he's not in on the whole Sith thing, he would probably go out of Palpatine's control and win the war for real.
0:37 brought back a major wave of nostalgia, I remember sitting in my room playing Star Wars Battlefront on my ps2 all the time
Do a video on the alien species and they’re real world influences
I would say the first species in starwars.
Muuns are Jews.
Tactical Droid the Rhodians are thai
The Humans Are American
the clones are New Zealanders
the Kaminoans probably German
Twi'leks are French
This is what I shout when I reach climax:
"FOR THE SEPERATIST ALLIANCE!"
Also Consider that in most instances those droids were being commanded by an Organic who did posses the ability for imagination and thus the droids can be used beyond their programming by their Organic Commanders.
Not to mention, each droid is unique in what it can do. For example, b1s are thin, easy to kill , and expendable. They shoot center mass, no rapid fire. Super battle droids can fly shoot bombs and shoot rapid fire. Their gun is a part of them, so they'll never drop it and are durable and expendable. Droidekas are fast can roll which allows them to protect themselves before being ready to fight they're durable have a shield so blaster shots are worthless on them, they can take a few lightsaber hits and are able to shoot rapid fire. You get the picture. In my opinion, the droid army is the best army ever in Star Wars history. I love their looks, and from a tactical sta nd point droids are better than organics if only the empire had spent the money to make them they would've been able to effortlessly crush the rebellion.
It's not commonly known, but the B1 "Battle" Droid was actually designed as an ornament by the eccentric droid engineer Heinrich Battle.
The CIS had low cost, logistics, and time on their side with their droid army, but you can't beat sentient and smart ingenuity.
Yes you can
Blue team John, Fred, Linda, Kelly but you actually can. If palpatine wasn’t sabotaging their efforts than they would have crushed the republic.
Baby Blue True
War is won with logistics not tactics
Who do you think designed those droids? These droids are just a reflection of their sentient makers.
“Dirty clankers“?
Oh boy now you gonna get it
*jumps into his land speeder*
"We shall restore order by superior force," General Marder Titanfall 2.
The droid army truly is the superior force.
It always bothered me how many clone lives were taken by these freaking robots.
complain to the republic
I feel like battle droids had an AI of a regular droid tweaked and modified to be used for battle. Not a soldier's AI built from scratch. That's why they still had "clumsiness" and emotions left, which led to slapstick humour
"can take more damage than any living organism could possibly ever take" *doubts in zilo beast*
*Laughs in poisonous gas.*
@@theepicspy570 *cackles in EMP*
EMP-hardening... ;)
@@Suthriel ?
You can harden machines and electronics against EMP (or against more radians -> radiation hardeing), therefore EMPs become useless as weapons against those EMP hardened units :)
I’ve always really liked the idea of a droid army IRL. No draft.
Yeah but it also gives the government an army that doesn't require any loyalty from it's citizens. The drawbacks should be obvious.
@The high ground Or that a tyrannical government no longer needs it's peoples loyalty to keep power. Now they have have an a moral military to impose their will.
@The high ground I'd hope that develops into each nation getting one really fucking big robot á la pacific rim and just having the world's biggest boxing match for territory.
There's a movie from the early 90's called Robot Jox that had that premise. Any territorial disputes between nations were settled through giant mech combat.
@@Appolyon99 Really? Well holy fuck, ask and thou shallt recieve. The mind truly boggles at the amount of movies we've made. Imagine that idea but placed somewhere in the middle Kashmir.
Well I guess we should just raid area 51 with droids
Dr. Omnicron E welp... how a wise droid said: *Too late!*
Lol and the area 51 guard are all jedi and clone trooper.
I was playing a Star Wars game (Empire at War) with a mod that allowed me to make droids and CIS ships, i invaded nabbo with a horde of B1's and AAT's and i was surprized on how effective they were at killing Elite infantry. I whent looking for a vid like this and now i know more than i did about the Droids and the C.I.S at the start of the vid. Thank you for explainning this.
“Quantity has a quality all on its own.”
B1:"uraaa"
The droid army had one of the best advantages in war: the ability to implement attrition warfare
I always found it odd that the Rebel Alliance didn't incorporate Battle Droids into their ranks. After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Reprogrammed, the Battle Droid army could have seriously done damage to the Galactic Empire's army.
Didn't the Empire ignore a lot of alien/outer rim worlds, or just give them poor defense forces?
Rebels could've easily overwhelmed basic imperial troops with the millions of B1s that were probably in working condition.
Its just a matter of transporting them, since most Rebel ships were very small until the later years of the war when they had the Mon Calamari's full support.
My only question is why droid armies aren't more common. Seems really effective actually.
Hell, if you look at the Droid army from before the Clone Wars they are way WAY more effective than the CIS droid army was. Back in KOTOR for instance their most basic battle droids could pose a threat to even Jedi. Not much of one admittedly, but they had the capability to hit sometimes and it took more than one lightsaber blow to take one down.
Just have hundreds or thousands of cold, calculated droids huddled together in some giant freighter ship, land it and take over an entire planet. Use your Droid army as labor workers after just completely wiping out the population, and make more droids with what resources that planet has.
The reason they are not common is a crytalisation of the fears we as a society have about computer intelligences.
That they will rebel and be too powerful to stop. It is why there are memory wipes and inhibitors, because if they achieve true sapience and decide they can't stand those disgusting meatbags, *Cough* HK series *Cough*, then they would be a nightmare.
Imagine a thousand covert R2-D2s running around the galaxy shutting off life supports, triggering reactors and disabiling safety features. R2-D2 is just an astromech droid. Imagine now a droid -designed- to cause mass saboutage and genocide with a hate for organics.
And no their programming can not simply have asimovs three laws. Contradictory rules and greater experience/information will eventually cause a change in priorities and interpretation, look up G0-T0.
@@Gravora That's a fair assessment.
CIS in Legends was good. In Cannon, the whole war makes no sense making it garbo-IMO.
In Legend the clones would make more sense to have a Mandalorian training program becuase they end up being the perfect soldier Republic would have to survive every possible dangerous treat like the Jedi or Scary flying bugs with Guns or perhaps Lizard with Guns
@@Crip99763 lizards with guns
Is that foreshadowing of a trandoshan terrorist organization or something
More of some radical hunters than terrorists lmao
NoSauceOrBroth Child watch the 2003 clone wars, its free on yt and the droids actually act like droids
a bc ty
rolan4 dezwinz np, its a good show
“Droids don’t talk back”
Also Droids “but sir we need power...”
Dude, you’re the first person to actually understand my amazement for the CIS and the battle droids
Now just imagine if the CIS was allowed to overcome the imagination flaw with droids is just make very small teams of commandos that can be on site coordinators for the droids given tactical situations that arise. All you need to do is put this guys on a ship with sensors that let's them see what's going on you can do this through small drones going around with cameras or simpler idea put cameras into the sensors on the droids like B2s and a the yellow B1s that where like the squad officers plus make all special units like driodekas, commando driods, etc and maybe heyena bombers for air support needs. I know they had those Command droids but I still don't see with people admrial trench around they couldn't teach organics how to command their droids
The droids will always be my favorite army in the Galaxy
I would say having organics fighting along side the machines would be an asset because they could be the creative, intuitive, and humain touch that would help counter clone troops and work for the greater good. But of course this is if no one was pulling the strings
NCOs, some spec op teams, and officers should be organic.
I love the CIS, especially from Episode 1 when they had those dope voices. 10/10
You really never do think about how much more efficient having a droid army on a battleship is. They probably saved so much space not needing crew quarters, med bays, cafeterias and kitchens, places to store food and water, etc. that on a ship of the same size but crewed by living people, you could put like twice as many guns and ammo and a bunch more hangers. Especially since they had compact, pilotless/droid fighters it was way easier to store a lot of them in one spot. Also their landing craft was more efficient as droids can fold up way better than a person (like the droids on the racks in MTTs or those squid ships that attacked kamino). A ship of that same size deploying clones would only hold like 5 if they have to stand as opposed to like 12 folded up droids
7:45 There droid army DOES have logistics to worry about.
Rest: They need space when they aren't active. Also, they need down time for routine maintenance.
Food: They need power.
Medical attention: Both routine maintenance and repair of battle damage are required.
They also (like Republic forces) have weapon logistics. Supply of weapons and ammunition and their maintenance and storage.
If the commanders ignore maintenance they will soon lose their forces.
Battle droids have on board power. Such power couldn't be maintained for years of down time, even if you disconnect it from the droid. The same goes for their blasters.
Overall it comes down to resources. A droid army needs more refined ore and production facilities, and human army needs more biological material. Whichever you have in abundance dictates which army you go with.
True, but what kind of stuff is more readily available in the galaxy? Biological materials or ores and minerals? Clearly ores and minerals, since you can mine them easily from planets or even asteroids.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 And then you have planets like Corusant with a serious population problem...
With droids they don't need much space, B1s can just fold up and be stored for long periods of time in some de-moisturized vault that keeps them out of the elements, and keeps them from rusting heavily. If you have an abundance of B1s and don't have enough storage on a planet where there isn't a war going on, then just scrap them or send them off on a transport to a system/planet where there is an ongoing war, and throw them away at the enemy so you don't have to waste your time oiling up hundreds of thousands of B1s.
Then again, I would assume there are droids capable of lubricating parts and performing maintenance on droids, and they would be much more efficient than an organic being doing all the work.
Sooo
Yyyyyeah
Lots of work, but still I would have to go with a Droid army over an army that's only has 1/20 of the numbers, and are much less expendable and very expensive, not to mention only a single planet produces them so it'd take a long time to move an entire legion worth of new recruits all across the galaxy. And with their lack of experience, they'd probably be less efficient than a droid at first. Also the clone equipment was more expensive than droid equipment, and organic beings obviously require much more maintenance and are rarely as abundant as droids can be. Combat ready humans or aliens that are loyal to your cause are going to be harder to find or recruit. Not many people are willing to die, and if you force them they will revolt. With clones its different, but clones come with many complications and downsides on their own.
To sum up:
PROS
Droids can be mass produced faster, cheaper and nearly anywhere.
Droids allow faster, cheaper and easier logistics for deployment, supply and coordination.
Droids are faster, cheaper and easier to customize for evolving operational conditions through hardware/software adjustments.
Droids are more durable to battle damage and can withstand environmental conditions biological units cannot.
Droids do not disobey orders or lose morale.
CONS
Droids need dedicated tactical and strategic guidance against situations outside original mission parameters.
Droids need access to specialized maintenance infrastructure on site during prolonged operations.
The plot turned the droid army, especially the B1s, into ineffective comic relief. But in a real scenario, even against Jedi and Clone Troopers, the CIS would have creamed the Republic through sheer numbers alone.
Sheer numbers, being able to change their strategy on a dime and being so expendable they'd never run out of numbers until the lucrehulk or several lucrehulks hovering above the planet were down.
Or the planet itself would have huge depots with MTTs, vulture droids, hyena bombers, tri fighters, everything you'd need.
If they lose?
No problem whatsoever, they're just droids, no true losses.
Only losses could be the organic generals/admirals that put this all together, but they still have a high chance of escaping and just coming back another day, or to another, likely undefended(because clones weren't anywhere near as common as simple cheap B1s)planet and just turn those planets into a fortress. Enslave the population or imprison them, and start stockpiling droids in places around the planet.
It's amazing what the Droid army was actually capable of.
Of course a droid army is the best idea! Just ask Skynet.
The logistical advantages of a droid army cannot be overstated. Your army only needing ammunition and fuel/power in order to function is insane, starving out a besieged droid fortification would be next to impossible. Additionally, transporting armies is beyond compare, all the cargo space saved from not having to carry food/water and medical supplies can be put towards additional ammunition or even more droids, which have the useful feature of being able to be switched off and stuffed in crates when not needed. Even dealing with causalities droids have the edge, damaged or disabled droids can be repaired or reassembled and be functional again in a matter of hours whereas organic troops need days, weeks or months to recover from injuries.
Droids were infamous for walking slow due to the enormous balls they had that weighed them down. They even had Droidecas that were litteral balls in transit.
One of my questions that I have is what if the droid army wasn’t planned to loose, they were meant to loose from the start in darth sideos’s plan, what if they actually won
The reason palpatine wanted human and alien people in his army was he like to influence them and assert his will and control over them.imagine there's a room of 30,000 people and you tell them all to get on their knees and lick the floor and they have to or terrible things will happen to them it would feel a lot more satisfying than if droids did it.
honestly the droid army was the better army it was winning the war the only reason they lost was because palpatine made them lose they would be so much more effective the fight against the yuuzhan vong
also they would be unflinching loyalty and wouldn't be as bad as if commanders or generals left therefore it would even be better for accerting fascist dictator control over the Galaxy
Video in a nutshell:
"Quantity beats quality"
I think that the best army would be droid soldiers but living officers (no tactical droids etc). With every droid unit being lead by a living being, it would keep all the advantages of a droid army mentioned in the video, but with better small-scale tactics and imagination
Try running, nonstop, for 36 hours straight, without food, water, or any support of any kind, through alien terrain, with heavy armor. Clones would have to break at some point for a rest. A B1 could leg it twice the distance without stopping. Imagine that…
Here's an idea - why didn't the Rebel Alliance, New Republic, or Resistance use battle droids to compensate for their smaller numbers against the Empire or First Order?
Cost
while the droids in the mid and long-run were actually a lot cheaper to make than clones or just recruiting regular soldiers in the short-term there is a huge huge upstart cost.which the rebellion didn't have the credits for because they were too busy making sure the small numbers they did have survived and that's why they didn't use droids
Me: droids hah worst fighting force in the whole galaxy
Dark troopers: Am I a joke to you?
This sounds like some C L A N K E R P R O P A G A N D A to me
I can imagine how cool would be a game in which u create ur own factories and droids and u conquer the galaxy. From a squad of droids to armies with tanks, bombers and capital ships.
Imagine being a group of generals that arrived on a poorly defended planet with a couple of lucrehulks and various trade federation ships, within a matter of weeks you'd overwhelm the local defense force, absolutely slaughter their orbital defenses, and then you get to work on imprisoning the population, or killing them all, or enslaving them to build your factories, work in your mines, etc.
Or you could just have droids do all the labor, as B1s do have proper working hands and seeing as how they're robots they surely could move quite a bit of weight.
So just imprison the civilians, Droid guards and turrets never sleep.
Take all of their mines, take their resources and build droid factories. Mass produce droids, tanks, droid spacecraft and stockpile them.
Export droids to other CIS forces that could use more, have other CIS planets send resources to you if need be. Once you run out of resources, if you somehow manage to..Who cares lmao mission accomplished, you could just send out armies of droids to take over other planets, and gather more resources for your main "factory planet" and maybe stop producing droids and not waste resources once you've got tens of billions. That'd probably be enough to conquer any planet.
There is pretty much a game, or at least a mod for a game where you can do this. Its an old RTS game, Star Wars: Empire at War. When you get the "Forces of Corruption" DLC you can install mods for it and the specific one I'm talking about if Republic at War. It's amazing and you can play as droids, it's pretty fun because you can take full advantage of the huge arsenal that the CIS and Republic have, and B1s can be absolutely terrifying. Dirt cheap, they come in large numbers, and you can make neverending hordes of them.
@@adorablecenturion8436 i heard about it :P
0:35 pure nostalgia, takes me back to tearing it up with an AT-TE on Geonosis instant action
Accually in episode one s1 in the clone wars a droid tank driver was like lol I have better plan then that officer droid and went another way so I guess they do have imagination
He gets the tank stuck in the end
100 to 1 odds just means each Clone only has to destroy 100 droids. With the help of the Jedi, it's not wholly impossible. And some Clones were known for destroying many more than that, all on their own over the course of the War.
Rex has claimed to have blasted, "Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands." himself.
If B1's recibed the proper programming and better bodies with good armor like the Commando droids they can be some of the deadliest of The C.I.S.
Hmmm. The first one, the reason most were ineffective, were just how they were built.also, the older Models were even more inefficient because, the sheer amount of procedures overloading them.
B2s are the best balance between the two.
@@akumaking1 Are you sure?
Imagine if grievous had fought against the empire, that would’ve been amazing to see 2 powerful militias battling each other
I've always loved the idea of a Droid army, it really easy to fight a war when nobody's kids are in it, no bad or