@@skysi Exact definitions are important if you're trying to communicate information quickly and effectively but if everybody is already on the same page with what the person means when they say the word then the word has served the purpose that it was intended for which because words are created by people for use for people and not handed down to us by some divine being their definitions are fluid depending on how society uses them but that guy doesn't agree with this idea so he thinks it's justifiable to argue against using "punish" that way. Having said all that, someone is getting screwed for one reason or another and that does suck in a way that each will not feel that it is fair to them.
@@adamngriffin3921 Man I was totally thinking that. I had to go do some mad googling because I don't think I ever knew the name of the song was "Baker Street".
Nah dog, he doesn't have a sociology degree (which would definitely help with piano skills I think). I feel like like Vaush doesn't mention that enough.
*Fanatiq* : “He was short, AND let me say, he wasn’t tall, that’s the disconnect: his height was NOT maximal! Was it minimal? One could say yes. explore the smallness of his height but do NOT DENY IT. Why? Because it’s undeniable. His stature was of negligible amounts, THAT IS my point, heretofore!” *Destiny* : “🎹”
3:26:35 The 3/5 compromise was actually an antislavery measure of the Constitution. Contrary to popular logic, it was the antislavery side that argued that African Americans should count as 0 people and the pro-slavery side that argued for them to count as 1 person. The reason for this is that they were arguing over whether slaves should count towards a state's population for their representation in the House of Representatives. If they counted as full people then it would help the pro-slavery side by granting them more political power in the House, while if they didn't count as people it would grant the antislavery side more.
I thought most people knew that? The entire point was that the union states were showing the blatant contradiction that the south was having about slaves. The views of the south were that slaves were inferior and are property, not people. The union was pretty much saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or a better phrase that I've heard is, "If you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch." If you want slaves, they're property. If you want a higher population, they're people and deserve to be treated as such.
@@kingknapp Just because the Union was right about slavery being bad doesn't necessarily mean they were right that slaves shouldn't count as a person for the purposes of population. There doesn't seem to be any inherent contradiction in someone being both a human and property. The population was a count of humans in the country not a count of citizens, or people who could vote. Most people couldn't vote anyway. Also most people don't know any history.
The 3/5s compromise actually makes me so angry, I wish the North burnt the South even more. 'People that we are saying aren't people should suddenly be considered people when it comes to our political power and influence'. I have no idea how anyone can defend the Confederacy as being downtrodden and mistreated when shit like that was allowed.
Lol at the first topic. "What are some other options to socialized medicine since not everyone is in favor." Panel goes on to say there's nothing better than socialized medicine. Great debate guys
Why does it seem like Fanatiq takes 10 minutes to say something that could be said in 20 seconds? It’s like every thought he has has to meet the 5 page minimum requirement for an essay.
@@trondadon2527 yeah, destiny does it sometimes, but far less frequently. There’s also a big difference between being longwinded and being able to cut out 98% of the words said and lose no meaning
Prime cayes has gotten a lot better at moderating since the last time I saw him. I still won't watch unless destiny is on but it's nice that he doesn't consider himself a moderator and panelist at the same time anymore
I don't know when the last time you saw him was, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm at 1:02:00 and people are literally arguing back and forth with him. First hour in and he's talking way too much for a neutral moderator imho xD
@@FranciscoEditing He used to literally spend 100% of the time as a participant. I'm not gonna be super hard on a twitch stream panel host occasionally inserting themselves into the argument, not only is it just gonna happen sometimes on something so informal, it's also good content sometimes. It was just irritating in the past when he was CONSTANTLY apart of the argument and abusing his host powers to just mute people and argue over them, he doesn't really do that anymore it seems.
@@xXFluffers main reason I prefer Dylan Burns panels. Dylan literally debates, but he almost never chimes in on his panels, and he's way better at cutting into the talking over each other, which I can't STAND and actually makes me not watch Prime's panels.
CatJAM moments 2:18:25 but even 2:29:13 DIRECTLY 2:30:15 you were so quick 2:30:53 it needs to be 3:06:38 some people do 3:08:34 furthermore ft. piano 3:10:59 we're talking about ft. piano 3:15:46 and the difference 3:17:28 do you remember 3:18:46 why would you make a law 3:22:31 and the other thing 3:25:43 so this is why ft. destiny 3:28:08 clearly ft. destiny
Yikes. If only Fanatiq cared to read the second or third definitions of punishment on Google, he would understand that the word "punishment' does work with how Destiny is using it. Unfortunately he got so heated and blinded by a semantics debate and decided to yikes us with content.
Uh Sprouticus said that when you go to a normal doctor you’re not allowed to go back to the VA and that’s definitely false. I go back and forth all the time.
Sprouticus is actually a really good moderator though. He has a "cage match" addition that keeps annoying, shouty people in check by giving them 3 minutes with another person then muting both for 3 minutes. Even though sprout is a Conservative, his impartial moderation ended up disproportionately policing Rob Noerr, who's an incredibly annoying Conservative whatabouter
I swear PrimeCayes has the unique ability to to pull in the most brain dead panelists. I swear some of their arguments are them just yelling at each other when none of them don't have the faintest idea about what they're talking about.
I watched the Hanz video and through a lot of this Fanatiq seems to be logically in the right and people aren't following him. That hanz video was mostly on making fun of covid suiciders, it started there at least. I still disagree with every position fanatiq took though.
@@woozleification Monologue shitshows are way less fun than group shitshows. Hearing the same person talk in the same way with the same stupid argument over and over again is just boring.
Hypothetically speaking, If a rhinoceros existed in the universe, and this rhinoceros was god, and this god thought only rhinoceros' should be able to live, but that god is also limited in his abilities in that it can only kill other rhinoceros', would there be more or less grass growing in the plains?
As a hypothetical, let me introduce the concept of anti-gravity. If the Earth were hit by an anti-gravity laser from an unknown alien species, and this anti gravity laser destroyed the Earth since it could no longer hold itself together, would this be an act of war? And how do you think the now destroyed human species should respond? Lmao not all hypotheticals can be granted. You really do need to ground them in reality, because otherwise we just don't know what we're talking about. My examples might suck but my point is that reality is necessary in hypotheticals otherwise no one can follow your hypothetical.
@@fisharepeopletoo9653 A hypothetical doesn't need to be realistic. Often, the entire point of hypotheticals is that they are NOT realistic and thus can push ideals to their limit in situations that rarely or never occur in reality.
@@Divinemakyr I intentionally said things that don't make sense and can't be granted. My second comment leaves the earth destroyed and the human race extinct, then asks how these hypothetical humans might respond to an action. But of course they couldn't respond, because they are extinct, making it a useless hypothetical. There needs to be some level of realism for the hypothetical to make sense, was my point. If your hypothetical isn't grounded in reality then it can't be engaged with by people who are.
@@fisharepeopletoo9653 you're right, a hypothetical, or "thought experiment" should resemble reality as closely as possible, and only change one variable, so you can isolate that variables effect on the situation. Like an experiment, but for thoughts. Pretty basic philosophy tool, actually.
I like how it was just a given that having a socialised medical system disincentivises research when the UK outperforms the US on bio-medical papers per 1000 population and per GDP and per GDP spend on research. America does way more research than the rest of the west because the country is huge and has an enormous economy
I was wondering about that since the entire argument seemed to hinge on this fact. It's usually not a good sign when 1 wrong metric/source or analysis can make the entire argument moot.
@@PedroTricking you mean like how Oxford University was researching a vaccine for SARS for decades funded almost entirely by the government? That turned out pretty useful when they released the first covid vaccine in the world.
A socialized medical system DOES decentivize research. Your "european countries" have been piggyback riding off of American research for their spots. They say that overall health innovation, the U.S. is ranked 4th. However we are ranked first in BOTH choice and science/research
Just some clarification on the UK "denying a kid goes to Italy to be saved": "The Alder Hey Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust went to the High Court to seek a declaration that "continued ventilator support is not in Alfie's best interests and in the circumstances it is not lawful that such treatment continue". Sitting at the High Court in Liverpool, Mr Justice Hayden began overseeing the case on 19 December. Alder Hey said scans showed "catastrophic degradation of his brain tissue" and that further treatment was not only "futile" but also "unkind and inhumane"." And: "Mr Evans said he believed his son was still responsive, telling reporters outside court Alfie was "improving". But Michael Mylonas QC, representing the hospital, said: "One of the problems of this case is they [Alfie's parents] look at him and, barring the paraphernalia of breathing and feeding, he's a sweet, lovely, normal-looking boy who opens his eyes, [and] will smile..." The hospital asserted that any movements by the child were "spontaneous seizures as a result of touching". Mr Justice Hayden ruled in favour of hospital bosses and doctors were set to withdraw ventilation on 23 February before his parents embarked on a lengthy legal battle."
I despise that moment in a Destiny debate when he's slowly walking someone through something and he's almost got them exactly where we need to go, and some yahoo decides nows the time to interject and stop Destiny from clearing up the misunderstanding.
fanatiq repeating the first part his sentence forever until everyone gives up is really awful..like I get doing that if you're heated and desperate but it wasn't even that serious
people think Destiny intentionally trying to interrupt Fanatiq. lol nah he's just trying to de-stress from the frustration! he wasted a lot of time getting stuck on lexical semantics in this
Just wanted to say - as a conservative, I appreciate Sprouticus being willing to come onto these debate channels in these sort of 1 right-leaning vs 8-9 central to left leaning panelists and try his best to make his points. He doesn't seem to have the most robust answers - definitely not the most researched ones - but he at least manages to put the ideas out there while being reasonably respectful. Similarly, thanks to the other panelists who are patient with him - despite largely disagreeing with him. They offered him at least some chance at legitimate discource, and even occasionally supported ideas that didn't seem as out there. Mind you, I'm only 25 minutes in at the writing of this comment, but I do appreciate how Destiny and others conducted themselves here.
2:10:50 Absolutely it is NOT first come first serve. There's a huge complex equation, but the patient's status and the chance that they go back to drink again (using a cirrhotic liver for example) is 100% taken into account, it actually accounts for a huge amount of the equation. Source: Wife is an inpatient RN on the organ transplant floor of a well known hospital
@Andrew Stevenson I've been aware of fanatiq for some time now. He has a bad habit of going on tangents and getting overly upset. Hanz and Destiny baited him several times towards the end of the video and he bit on it every single time. Theres nothing wrong with black men showing anger and defending themselves, but the way fanatiq does it undermines himself.
I lost brain cells from Fanatiq here my lord. He's worse than some trolls I've seen. When he started saying "So this is why" 50 times I did laugh but it was more out of shock he can unironically act like this and think he's being intelligent
Wait they absolutely do discriminate against alcoholics in organ transplant. Most times you are required to be CLEAN for so many months with periodic urinalysis to make sure that you are
Yup same with being obese. My grandmother had to lose over 100 lbs to get a new hip even tho she was on enough pain killers to kill a man just to sleep but they wanted to make sure she could keep the weight off to not put unnessary strain on the new hip. She lost about 150lbs got the surgery and kept it off. They dont wanna have to do another surgery on ya just cuz ya make terrible life decisions when theres people that make better life decisions who need the same thing.
Let's play fanatiq's game: The vaccinated person who is rejected in the hospital is not rewarded for doing the right thing. So the correct term is "not rewarded". Sometimes people say punished when they expect a reward but don't get it.
I'm surprised Destiny didn't use the piano years ago. That move really pisses people off. It is way more socially disrespectful than insulting someone for some odd reason.
It's mainly just improv. But there's a full video of Destiny playing the piano with Albert from a few years back that's also pretty good. ua-cam.com/video/mzjY61Vuoio/v-deo.html
Regularly doodle around on a piano, learn some scales and listen to a lot of music for a couple of months and you're gonna be able to improvise stuff like that too.
I almost didn’t click on this video because I thought it was about the psychotic great reset guy. Destiny got bored and played the piano in that video too.
The only thing more annoying that privates in the military it seems is privates outside the military. Combat Life Saver has the nickname in the army of Combat Life Taker. You have the extreme bare minimum medical training. And about 90% of what he says about the VA is false.
About to say my grandfather only uses the VA since he served in nam and the only issue he has is they wont pay for the uber nice(expensive) equipment he wants and theyre slow sometimes.
He’s doing like some sort of Fmaj7 Cmaj7 Fmaj7 Cmaj7 pattern, but with Dmin7 Amin7 and Emin7 chords sprinkled in…sounds like some of them might be slash chords too, but hard to tell.
Yo I just found this video again years later and once again fanatiq is giving me the most deadly metastatic cancer possible. Tumors are just appearing everywhere the more he speaks. The hans guy trolling him is the only redeeming quality
There's a particular moment towards the end, where Destiny hits hyperdrive, and I actually had to check to see if I had absent-mindedly sped up the video.
The issue with medical costs being high in America can be boiled down to = Insurance companies are willing to pay far above the normal price of medical goods and services because it financially benefits them to do so. Not only that, it financially benefits the manufacturers and the doctors. By overpaying for goods and services this raises their overall cost meaning average people are less willing to pay for them at that price, which then forces average people to buy into insurance which gives them a big discount. Things are worth what people (or companies) are willing to pay for them. Insurance companies are incentivized to increase their number of subscribers. That is their goal. To do that they need to raise costs (by overpaying for stuff) so that average people can't afford it. Why would manufacturers or doctors willingly give their product to regular people when insurance companies are offering way more money?
Punish - Treat (someone) in an unfairly harsh way Penalize - put in an unfavorable position or at an unfair disadvantage I hate when people play the dictionary game to be obtuse while ignoring every other definition that doesn’t work in their favor
Thank you Destiny, this video was sooooo entertaining. At first I was annoyed by Fanatiq, but he's hes such a clown that his absence from the stream would not be as entertaining as it is. Also that piano piece was *chef's kiss*.
As someone in the biotech research industry, every single person on this panel is talking completely out of their ass during that entire segment. Unbelievable. I’m literally just sitting here saying “that’s not true” over and over again.
It's a right wing talking point. Social security isn't underfunded, it's paid for as it's paid out. The only way it's underfunded is if the pay out exceeds the pay in. Which is easy to fix, you adjust the taxes on payroll to correct the difference, which is minor because more people pay taxes for SS than get money out of it. The VA isn't "poorly run" it's poorly funded. Which is A HUGE issue with our attitude around deploying our soldiers in other countries. We LOVE sending I'm the troops, but we refuse to take care of them afterwards. Which is easy to fix, just take a portion of Defense spending and divert it to VA programs.
The mental gymnastics from fanatiq are absolutely mind blowing! 😂 He really believes he’s saying something articulate and compelling!? This is a good prime example of a guy that can use the English language to attempt to sound intelligent, but bro… 😂 you are making me spit out my drink evey single time you try to make point, from genuine laughter! Fanatiq would CLEARLY be an amazing comedian. 😂 clearly clearly clearly clearly CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY
lol I told fanatiq the same thing. I asked him one clarifying question and when I stopped him from rambling for 10 minutes he lost his shit😂 dude should just go touch grass
I literally own a business where I work outside everyday, I’m not terminally online and wouldn’t even consider myself a destiny fan I just recognize he is a skilled rhetorician. I’ve been on a few panels and Fanatiq was on the same panel recently. It was a Prime Caye panel.
A few problematic talking points I heard about patents and other countries’ medicinal procurements. Generic medications aren’t “knockoffs.” They contain the same therapeutic active ingredients as the brand name variant, but the non-active ingredients will vary. Think Walgreens ibuprofen vs Advil. Typically, a generic drug cannot be manufactured until the original patent expires. Foreign countries must respect these patent laws as part of negotiated trade deals. When TFG was working to negotiate the rebranded NAFTA, they wanted 10 years of patent protection, but the House dems struck it from the agreement to maintain the status quo of 8 years from Canada, and 5 years from Mexico. For a generic version of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to be available for sale and manufacture in Canada, that will be possible in 2028. It is difficult to buy the pharma industry‘a argument that renegotiation of drug prices for Americans will affect innovation when we look under the hood for what percentage of their revenue is spent on R&D vs. marketing, lobbying, C-suite exec compensation, etc.
The whole debate felt like a bunch of outsiders trying to understand elements of healthcare they hadn't done any research on. Feels weird when no one can cite any evidence in these types of debates.
@@zakshah3480 exactly, they need to talk to any worker in a medical office that has to process claims and you get this backstage cluster fuck of our health care insurance. It's insane.
None of these guys have ever been in the military lmao. All AD go to MTFs for healthcare and while they have issues sometimes for the most part it works very well
Type 1 Diabetic here - Destiny is a little off base at 1:43:00 when he talks about slow-acting vs. fast-acting insulin. Both are important, and every Diabetic needs both. The slow-acting insulin acts as a _basal,_ and regulates natural fluctuations in blood glucose level throughout the day, whereas the fast-acting insulin is used as a _bolus_ for when you're eating carbohydrates, or when your BGL is high regardless of the basal dose. In fact, if you use an insulin pump, you can accomplish both of these with the same type of insulin, because instead of one large dose of slow-acting insulin at the _start_ of the day, it delivers an incremental drip of fast-acting insulin _throughout_ the day.
The dictionary also says punish means "to treat someone in an unfair way". By this definition the old man is being treated unfairly for being old which is by no fault of his own, while the younger guy has a choice to take preventative measures. In essence he's being "punished".
Its insane that we argue so hard whether or not to use our tax dollars for public health and wellbeing. If we arent using tax dollars for things like health care and infrastructure... why the hell are we paying taxes? So we can occupy the world militarily?
"A punishment"
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@@kiy4334 i'll stop
primecayes is so chill
August, if you keep creating BANGER videos like this I'll go full TRIAD and stalk you.
He gets punished for being old. How is that difficult to understand? Don't harp on exact definition of words
@@skysi Exact definitions are important if you're trying to communicate information quickly and effectively but if everybody is already on the same page with what the person means when they say the word then the word has served the purpose that it was intended for which because words are created by people for use for people and not handed down to us by some divine being their definitions are fluid depending on how society uses them but that guy doesn't agree with this idea so he thinks it's justifiable to argue against using "punish" that way.
Having said all that, someone is getting screwed for one reason or another and that does suck in a way that each will not feel that it is fair to them.
The piano is the power move, but the Nuke would be the saxophone.
Bakers street plays over debate
Especially if you just duck into the corner and then pop out to casually blare Careless Whisper
Shirtless, like that dude from 'The Lost Boys'.
@@adamngriffin3921 Man I was totally thinking that. I had to go do some mad googling because I don't think I ever knew the name of the song was "Baker Street".
I’d literally shit my pants laughing if he busted the sax out lmfao
With this, he's finally outpaced Vaush. *musically*
Nah dog, he doesn't have a sociology degree (which would definitely help with piano skills I think). I feel like like Vaush doesn't mention that enough.
Amazin
Just as foretold in the scrolls
While Vaush was banging on the bongos, I mastered the Bechstein.
true
*Fanatiq* : “He was short, AND let me say, he wasn’t tall, that’s the disconnect: his height was NOT maximal! Was it minimal? One could say yes. explore the smallness of his height but do NOT DENY IT. Why? Because it’s undeniable. His stature was of negligible amounts, THAT IS my point, heretofore!”
*Destiny* : “🎹”
Fanatiq channeling his inner Mojo Jojo
true
@@alslayer18 holy fuck ahahahahahaha
@@alslayer18 YOOOOO lol
@@alslayer18 Did you just compare a black man to a monkey?
If you’re ever debating Destiny and he eats pizza while playing the piano, you’re screwed.
the new "Destiny opens a Notepad"
The ultimate debate tactic doesn't exi.....
It's all about the pi
It’s not even his final form.
Pizza debate tactics + piano is unstoppable
Waiting for the day one of Destiny's opponents responds to the piano by pulling out an instrument of their own and beginning an impromptu jam session.
This day can't come soon enough holy shit 🤣
I'm going to purposefully create a debate channel, challenge Destiny to a pointless debate, and have my trumpet on standby.
Duelling banjos in the middle of an immigration debate, I'm down for it
cute idea but virtually impossible with delay. Also Destiny seems to always mute when he plays piano, so they can't hear him.
Impossible is a bit disingenuous. Difficult, yes, but not impossible. Also the point of it wouldn't even be to be good quality.. just funny.
I love this new "they ain't gonna shut up, so ima play piano" meme
Piano Tactics > Pizza Tactics
@@johnnycash5684 Pizza Tactics neva eva lose!
“New”
@@evolution__snow6784 “guys, I was doing piano debate panel strategies like TEN YEARS AGO, I’m so cool and underground!”
@@Sprite_525 im pretty sure destiny did it before, like years ago pretty sure that is what he was eluding too haha
Playing the piano officially became a debate tactic
Timestamp?
It has been for a while, it's just that recently Destiny has had a high concentration of derangement in his debates
@@chandler7493 to be fair, Tristan (I got my PhD from a cereal box) would infuriate anyone.
@@instanttregret i was going to say the same exact thing 😂
@@instanttregret The next level is eating pizza while playing the piano. And the final, galaxy brain tier is eating the piano while playing the pizza.
Debating people while playing the Piano is peak Sigma, methstiny energy. We only wish for an ounce of that ability
My meth is too strong for you, traveller.
I'll take a gram
It's on par with the pizza tactic
@@kebabfoto
Holy fuck I forgot about that
I support this rhetoric on an emotional level
You know Steven is about to drop some knowledge when he puts his hands behind his head
He's pushing the brain juice towards the front where his mouth is
you know he's gunna say something fast and angry and probably end with an exclamation of "holy shit"
The second I read this comment I look up to Tiny doing just this.
Suprised destiny didnt need to whip out the famous pizza strat to deal with such a dominant opponent
It’s been triumphed by playing the piano
Man, Fanatiq sure likes to hear himself talk
Clearly
I think he knows he's dumb and doesn't want anyone to jump in and correct him
@@user-gu1un7pb7k literally me
Then get really visibly mad and complains when someone else spends even half the time he does, to answer something
@@user-gu1un7pb7k wouldn't say dumb but really needs to chill
Madlad: *starts speaking*
Destiny: Sorry can I-
Prime: Hey stop! Destiny, go on.
LOL i noticed that too
Prime got that top energy baby
Perhaps Madlad should invest more than 5 dollars on a microphone
"I'm in the middle of game"
No wonder he's so high strung he's probably getting blown out.
Wasn’t he playing TFT as well your literally just watching the fighting take place
@@henrywoolley3733 You are but it's still a game that demands focus
3:26:35 The 3/5 compromise was actually an antislavery measure of the Constitution. Contrary to popular logic, it was the antislavery side that argued that African Americans should count as 0 people and the pro-slavery side that argued for them to count as 1 person. The reason for this is that they were arguing over whether slaves should count towards a state's population for their representation in the House of Representatives. If they counted as full people then it would help the pro-slavery side by granting them more political power in the House, while if they didn't count as people it would grant the antislavery side more.
I thought most people knew that? The entire point was that the union states were showing the blatant contradiction that the south was having about slaves. The views of the south were that slaves were inferior and are property, not people.
The union was pretty much saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or a better phrase that I've heard is, "If you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch." If you want slaves, they're property. If you want a higher population, they're people and deserve to be treated as such.
@@kingknapp Just because the Union was right about slavery being bad doesn't necessarily mean they were right that slaves shouldn't count as a person for the purposes of population. There doesn't seem to be any inherent contradiction in someone being both a human and property. The population was a count of humans in the country not a count of citizens, or people who could vote. Most people couldn't vote anyway. Also most people don't know any history.
@@ajollyoldben You're forgetting the context
The 3/5s compromise actually makes me so angry, I wish the North burnt the South even more. 'People that we are saying aren't people should suddenly be considered people when it comes to our political power and influence'. I have no idea how anyone can defend the Confederacy as being downtrodden and mistreated when shit like that was allowed.
@@kingknapp
I NEVER remembering hearing that lol. I just thought it was cuz racism and lowering black peoples "human being" score to
The epipen segment was unironically the only time I wanted to hear Sproticus talk about something.
Lol at the first topic. "What are some other options to socialized medicine since not everyone is in favor." Panel goes on to say there's nothing better than socialized medicine. Great debate guys
Why does it seem like Fanatiq takes 10 minutes to say something that could be said in 20 seconds? It’s like every thought he has has to meet the 5 page minimum requirement for an essay.
Because he has an obscenely inflated view of his own intelligence. This dude LOVES to hear himself talk 😂 It gives second hand embarrassment
As a long-winded person myself, he is insanely long-winded
@@mypartyisprivate8693
Make your party public
Destiny lowkey does the same shit sometimes. He’ll speak in a long tangent for no fucking reason
@@trondadon2527 yeah, destiny does it sometimes, but far less frequently. There’s also a big difference between being longwinded and being able to cut out 98% of the words said and lose no meaning
Prime cayes has gotten a lot better at moderating since the last time I saw him. I still won't watch unless destiny is on but it's nice that he doesn't consider himself a moderator and panelist at the same time anymore
I don't know when the last time you saw him was, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm at 1:02:00 and people are literally arguing back and forth with him. First hour in and he's talking way too much for a neutral moderator imho xD
@@FranciscoEditing He used to literally spend 100% of the time as a participant. I'm not gonna be super hard on a twitch stream panel host occasionally inserting themselves into the argument, not only is it just gonna happen sometimes on something so informal, it's also good content sometimes. It was just irritating in the past when he was CONSTANTLY apart of the argument and abusing his host powers to just mute people and argue over them, he doesn't really do that anymore it seems.
@@xXFluffers main reason I prefer Dylan Burns panels. Dylan literally debates, but he almost never chimes in on his panels, and he's way better at cutting into the talking over each other, which I can't STAND and actually makes me not watch Prime's panels.
He 100% still does that. He did that here.
Oh I thought he was a panelist in this video. He's being a moderator while destiny is hosting?
CatJAM moments
2:18:25 but even
2:29:13 DIRECTLY
2:30:15 you were so quick
2:30:53 it needs to be
3:06:38 some people do
3:08:34 furthermore ft. piano
3:10:59 we're talking about ft. piano
3:15:46 and the difference
3:17:28 do you remember
3:18:46 why would you make a law
3:22:31 and the other thing
3:25:43 so this is why ft. destiny
3:28:08 clearly ft. destiny
Bless your timestamps
This is amazing holy sh%+ 😆
Thanks for linking the piano part
This may be a contraversial point, but fanatiq gets mad like his name is Melvin.
100%
Literally every speaker on this panel has a dramatically different volume from one another.
Yikes. If only Fanatiq cared to read the second or third definitions of punishment on Google, he would understand that the word "punishment' does work with how Destiny is using it. Unfortunately he got so heated and blinded by a semantics debate and decided to yikes us with content.
Uh Sprouticus said that when you go to a normal doctor you’re not allowed to go back to the VA and that’s definitely false. I go back and forth all the time.
I'm pretty sure "Sprouticus says something that's wrong" is his entire brand.
Because Sprouticus just listens to right-wing podcasts all day and has no idea what he's talking about or the impact it has on their lives.
Sprouticus is actually a really good moderator though. He has a "cage match" addition that keeps annoying, shouty people in check by giving them 3 minutes with another person then muting both for 3 minutes. Even though sprout is a Conservative, his impartial moderation ended up disproportionately policing Rob Noerr, who's an incredibly annoying Conservative whatabouter
Sprout is dumb, that being said, he’s a much better moderator. I’ll take him over “Rob Noer” ten times over.
This was so much fun, great debating with you dude
You made fanatiq balder than he is
Rude
Jolly good troll sir 🧐
I swear PrimeCayes has the unique ability to to pull in the most brain dead panelists.
I swear some of their arguments are them just yelling at each other when none of them don't have the faintest idea about what they're talking about.
I want a debate panel were people like Fanatiq just instantly get booted off, the second everyone else realises how out of his depth he is
Would be constructive. He always debates about semantics and wants to score points based on cherry picking. Very dishonest.
I watched the Hanz video and through a lot of this Fanatiq seems to be logically in the right and people aren't following him. That hanz video was mostly on making fun of covid suiciders, it started there at least. I still disagree with every position fanatiq took though.
@@woozleification Monologue shitshows are way less fun than group shitshows. Hearing the same person talk in the same way with the same stupid argument over and over again is just boring.
No way. This was quality entertainment
"Well, the problem with your hypothetical is that it's not realistic" a sentence that says more about you than any hypothetical ever could.
Hypothetically speaking, If a rhinoceros existed in the universe, and this rhinoceros was god, and this god thought only rhinoceros' should be able to live, but that god is also limited in his abilities in that it can only kill other rhinoceros', would there be more or less grass growing in the plains?
As a hypothetical, let me introduce the concept of anti-gravity. If the Earth were hit by an anti-gravity laser from an unknown alien species, and this anti gravity laser destroyed the Earth since it could no longer hold itself together, would this be an act of war? And how do you think the now destroyed human species should respond? Lmao not all hypotheticals can be granted. You really do need to ground them in reality, because otherwise we just don't know what we're talking about. My examples might suck but my point is that reality is necessary in hypotheticals otherwise no one can follow your hypothetical.
@@fisharepeopletoo9653 A hypothetical doesn't need to be realistic. Often, the entire point of hypotheticals is that they are NOT realistic and thus can push ideals to their limit in situations that rarely or never occur in reality.
@@Divinemakyr I intentionally said things that don't make sense and can't be granted. My second comment leaves the earth destroyed and the human race extinct, then asks how these hypothetical humans might respond to an action. But of course they couldn't respond, because they are extinct, making it a useless hypothetical. There needs to be some level of realism for the hypothetical to make sense, was my point. If your hypothetical isn't grounded in reality then it can't be engaged with by people who are.
@@fisharepeopletoo9653 you're right, a hypothetical, or "thought experiment" should resemble reality as closely as possible, and only change one variable, so you can isolate that variables effect on the situation. Like an experiment, but for thoughts. Pretty basic philosophy tool, actually.
Destiny & Hans: “People’s beliefs and their understanding of the world are shaped largely by the environment they live and grow up in.”
Fanatiq: 👁👄👁
Destiny’s explanation of marginal cost is a great example of why I follow his channel. Appreciate this kind of clarification in these discussions.
I like how it was just a given that having a socialised medical system disincentivises research when the UK outperforms the US on bio-medical papers per 1000 population and per GDP and per GDP spend on research. America does way more research than the rest of the west because the country is huge and has an enormous economy
I was wondering about that since the entire argument seemed to hinge on this fact. It's usually not a good sign when 1 wrong metric/source or analysis can make the entire argument moot.
@@lo-filogic That's exactly why I looked it up lmao
What if disincentives very expensive (but very important) research? The stat you gave doesn't address that.
@@PedroTricking you mean like how Oxford University was researching a vaccine for SARS for decades funded almost entirely by the government? That turned out pretty useful when they released the first covid vaccine in the world.
A socialized medical system DOES decentivize research. Your "european countries" have been piggyback riding off of American research for their spots. They say that overall health innovation, the U.S. is ranked 4th. However we are ranked first in BOTH choice and science/research
Just some clarification on the UK "denying a kid goes to Italy to be saved":
"The Alder Hey Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust went to the High Court to seek a declaration that "continued ventilator support is not in Alfie's best interests and in the circumstances it is not lawful that such treatment continue".
Sitting at the High Court in Liverpool, Mr Justice Hayden began overseeing the case on 19 December.
Alder Hey said scans showed "catastrophic degradation of his brain tissue" and that further treatment was not only "futile" but also "unkind and inhumane"."
And:
"Mr Evans said he believed his son was still responsive, telling reporters outside court Alfie was "improving".
But Michael Mylonas QC, representing the hospital, said: "One of the problems of this case is they [Alfie's parents] look at him and, barring the paraphernalia of breathing and feeding, he's a sweet, lovely, normal-looking boy who opens his eyes, [and] will smile..."
The hospital asserted that any movements by the child were "spontaneous seizures as a result of touching".
Mr Justice Hayden ruled in favour of hospital bosses and doctors were set to withdraw ventilation on 23 February before his parents embarked on a lengthy legal battle."
That Alfie's Army shit was horrible. Really showed the public's ignorance towards end of life procedures and the reasoning behind the practices.
It would've been more effective if he didn't mute himself before playing. That would have been the true Chad move.
Obama actually gave Veterans choice to seek out healthcare outside the VA. Trump just expanded upon it.
Destiny's new Piano Ignore Ultimate smash that rolled out this patch is great, massive tilter.
too OP, needs balancing
It's actually been in the game for years, but he just started experimenting with it again ever since they nerfed moderators
I despise that moment in a Destiny debate when he's slowly walking someone through something and he's almost got them exactly where we need to go, and some yahoo decides nows the time to interject and stop Destiny from clearing up the misunderstanding.
Tru
Piano-rage-arc has been the most enjoyable arc
fanatiq repeating the first part his sentence forever until everyone gives up is really awful..like I get doing that if you're heated and desperate but it wasn't even that serious
Hes 95% rhetoric
To be fair, Destiny does this as well. I think the difference is that it takes a lot more to push Destiny to that point of frustration than Fanatiq
Please keep doing the piano when someone is grand standing. It makes it so bearable. Love it.
i looked up the meaning of grand standing during this debate and im pretty sure its basically the same as virtue signaling. am i wrong?
@@rreeeekk They're more or less the same, but what does that have to do with anything?
If for no other reason than that, i really hope this lasts a long while. It really makes the rambling so entertaining instead of grating sometimes
grand piano standing
what song was he playing
Destiny was destroyed in this concerto
people think Destiny intentionally trying to interrupt Fanatiq. lol nah he's just trying to de-stress from the frustration! he wasted a lot of time getting stuck on lexical semantics in this
Yeah I believe that. Sometimes destiny's too quick to try and boil things down, but most of the time he helps give breathing room from all the arguing
2:26:57 when you're trying to act hard but your emotions start leaking out
CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY, this is good content.
CLEARLY
So this is why so this is why so this is why
Anyone who says that ANY system is perfect as is is someone you should write off completely
Is that system perfect? Checkmate atheists.
@@PedroTricking oh Shii-
Some sort of debate is covering the Stellaris gameplay, August definitely fumbled this upload
“CLEARLY, CLEARLY, CLEARLY!”
Someone needs to remix that
Just wanted to say - as a conservative, I appreciate Sprouticus being willing to come onto these debate channels in these sort of 1 right-leaning vs 8-9 central to left leaning panelists and try his best to make his points. He doesn't seem to have the most robust answers - definitely not the most researched ones - but he at least manages to put the ideas out there while being reasonably respectful.
Similarly, thanks to the other panelists who are patient with him - despite largely disagreeing with him. They offered him at least some chance at legitimate discource, and even occasionally supported ideas that didn't seem as out there. Mind you, I'm only 25 minutes in at the writing of this comment, but I do appreciate how Destiny and others conducted themselves here.
Pretty ironic fanatic was yelling about someone sucking up all the air in the room and taking forever
True but when he said that he wasn’t wrong either
That's hypocrisy, not irony.
@@_soups yes
2:10:50 Absolutely it is NOT first come first serve. There's a huge complex equation, but the patient's status and the chance that they go back to drink again (using a cirrhotic liver for example) is 100% taken into account, it actually accounts for a huge amount of the equation.
Source: Wife is an inpatient RN on the organ transplant floor of a well known hospital
Fanatiq accusing people of grandstanding while he finds every synonym for the word “because” is hilarious.
I'm really glad we have Destiny's calm and soothing piano music to counterbalance Fanatiq's high intensity debate screaming.
And to think, this is Destiny at a fraction of his power. These people would quake in fear at Methstiny
He takes meth? When?
@@the-renegade
Some guy sold him some sort of unidentified amphetamine claiming it was mdma
@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 So, he takes meth regularly?
@@the-renegade yes
@@Niko-pt9li Seriously???
Fanatiq always interjects but just yells louder and louder and faster and faster until nobody else is talking. I remember doing that in like grade 2
He honestly just rambles in circles while being twice as loud as anyone else and repeats himself..
Fanatiq has really bad anger issues goddamn.
short fuse
@Andrew Stevenson I've been aware of fanatiq for some time now. He has a bad habit of going on tangents and getting overly upset. Hanz and Destiny baited him several times towards the end of the video and he bit on it every single time. Theres nothing wrong with black men showing anger and defending themselves, but the way fanatiq does it undermines himself.
@Andrew Stevenson Nah, he's angry to a fault. Not just remarking on a black dude being aggressive, just on him being stupidly temperamental.
He comes from the fighting game community so that's to be expected.
This is the evolution of the eating pizza strategy.
Final form is eating pizza while playing piano
@@pbear1988 Eat the piano
This is actually the prequel
I lost brain cells from Fanatiq here my lord. He's worse than some trolls I've seen. When he started saying "So this is why" 50 times I did laugh but it was more out of shock he can unironically act like this and think he's being intelligent
It’s super funny , come on ….
Sometimes I think I'm done with Destiny, and then he pulls me right back in.
i love when destiny plays music during a debate. It's soothing amid the chaos
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Wait they absolutely do discriminate against alcoholics in organ transplant. Most times you are required to be CLEAN for so many months with periodic urinalysis to make sure that you are
No save the 24 old alcoholic who destroyed his liver in two years
Yup same with being obese. My grandmother had to lose over 100 lbs to get a new hip even tho she was on enough pain killers to kill a man just to sleep but they wanted to make sure she could keep the weight off to not put unnessary strain on the new hip. She lost about 150lbs got the surgery and kept it off. They dont wanna have to do another surgery on ya just cuz ya make terrible life decisions when theres people that make better life decisions who need the same thing.
Fanatic saying “I’ve hardly spoken” and then proceeding to never let anyone else speak for the rest of the panel 😂
Let's play fanatiq's game: The vaccinated person who is rejected in the hospital is not rewarded for doing the right thing.
So the correct term is "not rewarded". Sometimes people say punished when they expect a reward but don't get it.
Sprout is basically a fox news headline generator lmao
as the rest of the panel a CNN headline generator?!
I love fanatiq he tries to stay calm so hard but when he fails its so fun to watch
It seems "Punished" is the new trigger word...
I'm surprised Destiny didn't use the piano years ago. That move really pisses people off. It is way more socially disrespectful than insulting someone for some odd reason.
I've been avoiding these long post but I'm sick working from home and now hooked 😮💨
Listening to a whole vc of people interact with a hypothetical like 12 year olds is perhaps one of the most infuriating experiences I’ve listened to.
Hans and Steven's trolling was the best part 🤣
3:08:05 what's the name of the song he was playing, it was beautiful
It's mainly just improv. But there's a full video of Destiny playing the piano with Albert from a few years back that's also pretty good.
ua-cam.com/video/mzjY61Vuoio/v-deo.html
It is improv I think, it does however sound somewhat similar to Lavender by Uncle Chris, a song I know he is a big fan of
Regularly doodle around on a piano, learn some scales and listen to a lot of music for a couple of months and you're gonna be able to improvise stuff like that too.
I almost didn’t click on this video because I thought it was about the psychotic great reset guy. Destiny got bored and played the piano in that video too.
That guy was ... something.
Wait its not? Ahhhh
That video was actually interesting lol
The only thing more annoying that privates in the military it seems is privates outside the military.
Combat Life Saver has the nickname in the army of Combat Life Taker. You have the extreme bare minimum medical training. And about 90% of what he says about the VA is false.
About to say my grandfather only uses the VA since he served in nam and the only issue he has is they wont pay for the uber nice(expensive) equipment he wants and theyre slow sometimes.
He’s doing like some sort of
Fmaj7 Cmaj7 Fmaj7 Cmaj7
pattern, but with Dmin7 Amin7 and Emin7 chords sprinkled in…sounds like some of them might be slash chords too, but hard to tell.
I dont care. You know music theory is a social construct, right?
@@cowyeti21 It do be a social construct
@@cowyeti21 ur mom told me you were a social construct
@@Brickzot my mom is a social construct
@@Brickzot im not :P
dude the ragequit piano playing could be such a good meme
Yo I just found this video again years later and once again fanatiq is giving me the most deadly metastatic cancer possible. Tumors are just appearing everywhere the more he speaks. The hans guy trolling him is the only redeeming quality
that babies head was 90% mush
- studies
I mean... it was basically what the Dr said
@@Sue_Me_Too nice
This is the content I crave. Gnomestiny making bangers
There's a particular moment towards the end, where Destiny hits hyperdrive, and I actually had to check to see if I had absent-mindedly sped up the video.
I can't wait for this
"hyperdrive" lmao
@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063make sure you're sitting down, for the g-forces
3:17:04 yup. end of debate. No one is immune to propaganda, but that doesn't make them absolved of the harm they commit.
It’s especially funny being that the piano is directly plugged into the audio interface lmao
The issue with medical costs being high in America can be boiled down to =
Insurance companies are willing to pay far above the normal price of medical goods and services because it financially benefits them to do so. Not only that, it financially benefits the manufacturers and the doctors. By overpaying for goods and services this raises their overall cost meaning average people are less willing to pay for them at that price, which then forces average people to buy into insurance which gives them a big discount. Things are worth what people (or companies) are willing to pay for them.
Insurance companies are incentivized to increase their number of subscribers. That is their goal. To do that they need to raise costs (by overpaying for stuff) so that average people can't afford it. Why would manufacturers or doctors willingly give their product to regular people when insurance companies are offering way more money?
Punish - Treat (someone) in an unfairly harsh way
Penalize - put in an unfavorable position or at an unfair disadvantage
I hate when people play the dictionary game to be obtuse while ignoring every other definition that doesn’t work in their favor
Now I'm gonna search a playlist of you playing, it's so relaxing
Thank you Destiny, this video was sooooo entertaining. At first I was annoyed by Fanatiq, but he's hes such a clown that his absence from the stream would not be as entertaining as it is. Also that piano piece was *chef's kiss*.
As someone in the biotech research industry, every single person on this panel is talking completely out of their ass during that entire segment. Unbelievable. I’m literally just sitting here saying “that’s not true” over and over again.
completely agreed, ive done biomedical research and the entire conversation felt founded very basic lack of understanding
So make it more affordable? Idk anything about this honestly, where would be a good place to research this type of information?
I worked 2 years for an health insurance company and i completely agree they are talking st8 out their asses
I've never worked in any medical field and now seeing this comment I believe they are talking out of their ass
I figured as much. Guess its a debate of who can sound more confident as they talk out their ass.
Veterans' Choice existed before trump.
The VA isn't a failed system.
It's a right wing talking point. Social security isn't underfunded, it's paid for as it's paid out. The only way it's underfunded is if the pay out exceeds the pay in. Which is easy to fix, you adjust the taxes on payroll to correct the difference, which is minor because more people pay taxes for SS than get money out of it.
The VA isn't "poorly run" it's poorly funded. Which is A HUGE issue with our attitude around deploying our soldiers in other countries. We LOVE sending I'm the troops, but we refuse to take care of them afterwards. Which is easy to fix, just take a portion of Defense spending and divert it to VA programs.
I am pretty sure the 14 year old with the American flag in the background is regarded...wait he's just a conservative...same thing.
"Destiny plays piano during shouting match" right in the title? August knows what we're here for.
The mental gymnastics from fanatiq are absolutely mind blowing! 😂
He really believes he’s saying something articulate and compelling!? This is a good prime example of a guy that can use the English language to attempt to sound intelligent, but bro… 😂 you are making me spit out my drink evey single time you try to make point, from genuine laughter!
Fanatiq would CLEARLY be an amazing comedian. 😂
clearly clearly clearly clearly CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY
lol I told fanatiq the same thing. I asked him one clarifying question and when I stopped him from rambling for 10 minutes he lost his shit😂 dude should just go touch grass
who are you
You as a debator (?) and destiny fan cannot be saying that bro
I literally own a business where I work outside everyday, I’m not terminally online and wouldn’t even consider myself a destiny fan I just recognize he is a skilled rhetorician. I’ve been on a few panels and Fanatiq was on the same panel recently. It was a Prime Caye panel.
A few problematic talking points I heard about patents and other countries’ medicinal procurements.
Generic medications aren’t “knockoffs.” They contain the same therapeutic active ingredients as the brand name variant, but the non-active ingredients will vary. Think Walgreens ibuprofen vs Advil.
Typically, a generic drug cannot be manufactured until the original patent expires. Foreign countries must respect these patent laws as part of negotiated trade deals. When TFG was working to negotiate the rebranded NAFTA, they wanted 10 years of patent protection, but the House dems struck it from the agreement to maintain the status quo of 8 years from Canada, and 5 years from Mexico. For a generic version of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to be available for sale and manufacture in Canada, that will be possible in 2028.
It is difficult to buy the pharma industry‘a argument that renegotiation of drug prices for Americans will affect innovation when we look under the hood for what percentage of their revenue is spent on R&D vs. marketing, lobbying, C-suite exec compensation, etc.
The VA is socialized health care. The President uses it all the time for their health care.
The whole debate felt like a bunch of outsiders trying to understand elements of healthcare they hadn't done any research on. Feels weird when no one can cite any evidence in these types of debates.
@@zakshah3480 exactly, they need to talk to any worker in a medical office that has to process claims and you get this backstage cluster fuck of our health care insurance. It's insane.
None of these guys have ever been in the military lmao. All AD go to MTFs for healthcare and while they have issues sometimes for the most part it works very well
@@ericvaldez96 if properly funded, all programs work better.
Fanatiq does love to ramble. He uses 40 words where 4 will suffice. It's good to see someone call him out on it finally
Type 1 Diabetic here - Destiny is a little off base at 1:43:00 when he talks about slow-acting vs. fast-acting insulin. Both are important, and every Diabetic needs both. The slow-acting insulin acts as a _basal,_ and regulates natural fluctuations in blood glucose level throughout the day, whereas the fast-acting insulin is used as a _bolus_ for when you're eating carbohydrates, or when your BGL is high regardless of the basal dose. In fact, if you use an insulin pump, you can accomplish both of these with the same type of insulin, because instead of one large dose of slow-acting insulin at the _start_ of the day, it delivers an incremental drip of fast-acting insulin _throughout_ the day.
You used fast acting for both types and as someone who is clueless to this stuff I'm confused XD
@@greyalice oh shit that was a mistake. Basal is slow acting.
2:25:00 onward
Sometimes I like fanatiq. This is not one of those times.
I previously watched this in Prime’s channel and now I’m watching it again for the piano.
Wait was destiny muted for the call when he played the piano?
@@manroopaf2295 yeah
@@andrewc0134 damn always assumed everyone on call could hear it, way funnier that way
It's hilarious how long winded fanatiq's explanations are. And I don't try to be mean, it is just funny.
The dictionary also says punish means "to treat someone in an unfair way". By this definition the old man is being treated unfairly for being old which is by no fault of his own, while the younger guy has a choice to take preventative measures. In essence he's being "punished".
why is fanatiq's mic like double the volume of the others?
He's just fucking loud
Fanatic should change his name to Lunatic lmao that guy is delusional.
Its insane that we argue so hard whether or not to use our tax dollars for public health and wellbeing. If we arent using tax dollars for things like health care and infrastructure... why the hell are we paying taxes? So we can occupy the world militarily?