Atonal Improvisation using Dorian Scale
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- We take advantage of the Consonant Features of the Dorian Mode to create thrilling Atonal Sound.
How to mess up the Dorian mode and get away with it!
Jazz Theory Tutorial in Advanced Free Jazz Piano Improvisation.
Tempo: 76 BPM
Sound Progression:
||: Eb-Dorian/e | D-Dorian/eb :||
Erik Frandsen: Drums
Oliver Prehn: Keyboards, Teacher, Video, Song Writer, Producer
Jonathan Prehn: Technical Support
Translations of the English subtitles to Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and French by Edgardo Solano from Colombia. Thank you so much Edgardo!!! You can turn on the subtitles and choose a language in the video settings.
Best Regards
Oliver Prehn
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WE WILL BLAST THE DORIAN MODE.
you sir have my undivided attention
As a Jazz Harpist these type of lessons are the most effective on this instrument. You have helped me heaps thank you!
I love the Dorian mode, but using it in this way sounds amazing. Not only does the dissonant bass actually work, it somehow sounds pretty and jarring at the same time.
Mr. "Bus Driver"! You are the teacher that I always needed. Thanks for putting this stuff together. Amazingly easy understandable.
You guys are ridiculously talented, great teaching as well!
Thanks a lot. I'm really glad that you both liked the lesson and the music :)
I just love your attitude to sharing your joy of music for free and supporting other musicians in better understanding the theory and helping us to learn, grow and improve! Not only is it free but the quality of explanations is at the very highest levels, yet still accessible and easy to follow. Keep up the good work Oliver!
Thank you so much :) And I will keep on the work ;)
These are the best lessons I've ever seen on YT! So clear and easy to follow, Im loving them! 👍🏻 and you're very poetic too!!!
Thanks for those very kind words :)
So much great information. And explained very well. "the alien attack" .
I am running upstairs now to play it out. subscribed
Thanks 😀 There is nothing better than a small but crucial "alien attack" that change the music completely.
Such an unsettled, introspective sound. And I love it.
I don't know for you guys this man has a words to convince people ... Thnx a lot Oliver
Thank you, it is great video!!! I think the real reason why D dorian compatible with the E flat note here, it's because D frygian mode is relative to E flat Lydian mode. Then you add Eb on the left side, you just turn your Dorian D into Frygian D/Lydian Eb. Your add the bass of Lydian Eb at the left and skip the other notes of this scale, the pentatonic D at the right also skiping part of the notes but our hearing senses the sound of the both scales which has a same notes. Its great movement, can be very useful, thanks.
Thanks for your very enlightening comment! Notice in the song in the end of the lesson I have separated the tonalities further. In the bass I often add the perfect fourth and fifth compared to the bass key note - these notes are also very "off" compared to the Dorian tonality in the solo hand a half step below. So all the notes played in the bass and the solo hand are dissimilar! Not a singel note is the same. Totally we almost play the chromatic scale. I think that in the song we move away from the Lydian sound we may hear when just playing a single bass note. Again a very enlightening comment, thanks again, and I hope you can follow my drift regarding the song in the end of the lesson... Oliver
I hear it as a brighter "Lydian" chord. You basically have the colorful notes from the Eb Lydian scale (especially if you emphasize the notes in the Dm pentatonic - 3, maj7, 9, #11, 13 against Eb in bass), but you also have the #5 and the "#15". These notes don't necessarily even sound that dissonant against the bass note if played in higher register (and if played as a stack of thirds or fifths), it just sounds really "bright".
Very Interesting and clear explanation for simple scale going to complex, Bless for your Work.
Wow!!! Outstanding concept, perfectly explained! You really made me happy! A huge thanks!
Gracias ! Greetings from Peru !
Oliver ___ I hope more guitarists find your site / I have learned a lot from you.
Thanks for being there !
great work my friend! i like that you think outside tha box and dare to break tha rulez after
having a profound understanding ov them. i'm learnin a lot. my next song will be in Dorian Pentatonic/Atonal for sure.
Such a GREAT TEACHER !!!!!
Love the way you make so simple
HELLO FANTASTIC LESSON A LOT OF PLEASUrE TO WORK! i learn piano by myself cause i know music and harmony(45 years of guitar)i realy love the way you teach and the efficency of your lessons without loss of time great thank u from vichy france
This is excellent. I'm glad that UA-cam exists for all those demonstrations of modes which is useful for a keyboard player with admittedly limited training like myself. Long ago in my childhood I was taught piano but didn't even get as far as learning to play with two hands. Having composed electronic music for years it wasn't any problem but now that I'm in a rock band and practice regularly I'm starting to learn modes and other amazing things I never knew I could do.
Wow! Your videos meet my cries over the years... A lot of musicians play these stuffs but find it difficult to teach... Great Teachers indeed... \more power to your elbow
Feels like a return to forever track. Love it !
i play 10 string instruments fairly well
teach as well. piano theory always evaded me, evev as a music major! until YOU!
YOU have unlocked the trie beauty of this fine instrument. as i am now 60 amd rediscover 40s jazz (again? !) i MUST know these tools. Bless you and your patient insight. OMG!
In 1980 i toured with Barry Manilow as a tech just to learn pop arranging..lol. if i would have known what you know, i could have saved myself and my audiences a lot of grief.
Amazing information! Thanks!
Wow! Now I can see the way. Great tutorial. Thanks a lot!!!
I very much like your videos. A great source of inspiration for doing things myself.
Thanks, I'm so glad to hear that :)
Getting inspired is the major idea of this little project!
Music offers so many ways to go...
Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge!!!!! You are an awesome teacher!!!! Thanks again!!!
Very Very nice and clear
Be blessed for all your work
Full of love and devotion
Thanks. And yes, I 'love' experimenting with music ;)
Cheers Oliver Prehn
Great lesson from one of the best Masters ever, thank you so much.
Thank you so much Oliver, you are great musician and teacher!
Wonderful video. I am having a blast watching this series; it is great food for my music theory brain, which is always hungry!! :D
Also, I think that the gritty tone color of this technique is particularly effective because the tonic chord's perfect 5th forms a volatile tritone interval with the note one semitone down from the key's root. This "alien" clash really stands out and provides a unique sound at places like 10:00, where you play an A over an Eb to form the tritone!
Thank sir for helping me out God bless you
damn bro you really be out here making the difference
lol - thanks! Oliver
Thanks so much, my firend! Your are a very teacher!!!
Good for you guys ! Awesome lessons ! Adore it !
Thank you very much for your great great lesson...I don't thing I can't do more than that in the Dorian mode...it's very interesting.
And the song is very good...I mean for jazz. You gonna make me a jazz new listener.
You are the Dorian Villian!! Love your sutff
l am getting addicted to the videos of yours! :)
Hi Oliver for some reason I missed such a great lesson from your past. You are the “simplificator” among my UA-cam teachers, and the most humble of them all.
Now as simplificator I would ask you a simple lesson on superimposed triads, for example C triad over Dm is Dm11, and if you put a G triad over B7 you have a beautiful B7 altered voicing. Your lesson on the subject would be a masterpiece I bet!
Hi Francesco :) Yes, this is one of the old really crazy videos. And thanks a lot :) :)
I discovery your video two weeks ago you make thing so easy to understand is opening the door to practice with joie Thank you so much
I appreciate your work for teaching us musicians who love music and would love to improve. :)
Great lesson, will give a try on my guitar. Thanks.
Great! I like your channel, and I"m glad to be here.! thanks
Another awesome lesson
This is so good.
wonderful music arquitecture
great video, thx so much for uploading!
Thanks a lot Charles :) I have also been working on the video for a looong period of time :)
Cheers Oliver Prehn
Great work! Thank you for sharing!
Super.. excellente leçon et belles sonorités... Merci de tout coeur.
Eres un excelente maestro y músico, nunca nadie me explico lo relativo a la improvisación desde el piano , y aquí en Argentina e estudiado con varios personas , pero no en el piano , todo teórico.. Gracias Oliver...
Great lesson from an inspiring teacher. I was inspired by you to find a similar sound landscape that I really like. Think of the Kenny Barron Chord on D (D minor 7 voicing). Play stacked fifths in the LH (D, A, E) and play the F - pentatonic row starting thumb to thumb, E and F) The Thumb positions for the penta row equals the RH position for the Kenny Barron Chord. So the RH plays the pentatonic hand grip on F, C, and G, which equals the Dorian Scale. I like using this soundscape for tension. I find a nice relaxation sound by placing the RH penta grip on any note in the LH (D, A, E). The D Dorian sound is still spiced up by playing the E in the LH. If I leave the E out, then the whole soundscape becomes an awfully consonant D Dorian. Obviously, the voicing can be moved around. I like D to F and D to E so far. So thank you for the inspiration, Oliver! - Allen
GREAT - THANKS :) :) :)
greeting from HongKong. amazing tutorial 😊
what will you adviced when starting to practice the jazz ?
In the next lesson I will show some simple but very useful jazz piano exercises. I think they will help you a lot :)
Warm Regards, Oliver
That's great. I am looking forward to watching the next video. Keep up your good work and thanks a lot
it sounds awesome
Excelente! Muchas gracias!!
👍thank you so much for your great lessons. You teacher from God
That was very interesting. Thanks.
Thanks :) I'm really glad you find the video interesting despite it is a little nerdy and weird ;)
always taught well
It’s just amazing!!! Tks!
Merci encore.....thx again.
Excellent video NJ.
Thanks a lot :)
Cheers Oliver Prehn
Excelente tutorial 😎😀🎵🎹🎶🎼 thank you Sajan.
so beautiful. im buying a piano. you make it work well
Reminds me a lot of Debussy. Great ideas!
Thanks Sintel :) And yes, the atonal techniques showed in this video is not only for the jazz soloist, but should also give inspiration for "music composition" in a broader sense. I hope you can use some of the ideas in your music! By the way, I love you oscilloscope track :)
Cheers Oliver
like it you got your felling thanks by the way you teach
Oliver, you are a brilliant guy and an exceptional teacher. Thank you sincerely for providing these videos.
I'm curious which keyboard you are using. (Mine simply does not sound that good!)
Hi, I'm so glad you can use the lessons :)
I'm using an old keyboard (Rhodes MK80 made by Roland). Then I have a midi cable to the computer. The computer processes the sounds. The virtual sounds I'm buying at Native Instruments. I just love Native Instruments!!! They have great samples.
The bass is "Scarbee Jay-Bass": www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/guitar/scarbee-jay-bass/
The Rhodes sound is "SCARBEE MARK I": www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/scarbee-mark-1/
Oliver, you didn't mention the name of the grand piano sample, which is the one that most impresses me. Until now I'm embarrassed to say that I'd never known about Native Instruments.
Yes, the piano is really good :)
Also Native Instruments: www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/the-grandeur/
There is a tutorial video on that page too, that's worth checking out ;)
I fucking love your videos
Insightful, as always :).
Great, that you find the video useful! And what a great username by the way :D
Haha, thanks!
Thank you, great channel and video. Magic hands, artistic voice, smart information and amaizing play
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7:50 Reason #4
- my opinion is why these pentatonics (and dorian) sound good. I think in terms of the major pentatonic scale.
1) Ebm pent = D#m pent=F# maj pent
F#/E is lydian Tonic (I maj7+11)
2) Dm pent = F pent
F is tritone substitution of the Dominant B7-5/D# (V alt /3).
D#(enh Eb) - is leading-tone.
F/D# is an altered dominant on seven degree of "tonality" .
Dm dor = F lyd = B loc => B7alt
/D#
We have
| F/D# | F#/E | or | B loc/D# | E maj7 lyd |
or
| Valt /3 | Imaj7+11 |
====
In C: | G7alt/B (Bbm dor/B) | D/C (Bm pent/C)
====
... Although it looks like you have Eb as "tonic". Then these are two Maj7(+5) Lydian in the Phrygian context. )
Thanks for great and very qualified input!!! Please notice that in the song (at the end of the lesson) the bass not only play the keynote a half step above the Dorian solo - the bass actually plays minor PENTATONIC a halv note above. So I actually play
||: Eb-Dorian/Emi-Penta D-Dorian/Ebmi-Penta :||
So in the song there are no similar notes between bass and solo... everything is OFF so to speak.
Best regards from Oliver
Thank you ...and, yes, the bass player is always right - he can play whatever he wants ))
HAHA - EXACTLY!!!
AWESOME!!!!
Fantastic as usual. Interested in your thoughts re scale tones possible for bass riffing off the altered bass note.
Thanks my friend :) Yes I agree, it is very interesting to explore non-diatonic sound landscapes! And the video above shows a very simple and primitive idea: letting the bass play off note!
But I think it is necessary to make some structure and patterns in the solo-play to make it work, else it will just be chaos... that will occasionally also be OK ;)
thank you..
Hi Oliver, many thanks to share your brilliant and insight use of “dorian all life” lesson. I noted also how you build the chord on the dorian note of relative Ionian mode building a triad on 4th. Could you please give us a lesson on how we could use left hand to support the improvisation, I am sure you will let us understand item sometime not so easy, thanks Domenico
Hi, and thanks a lot. In about two weeks I will publish some new music, then mid November I hope to have a video ready that includes the use of the "left hand" when improvising in a "free style". I hope you have patience with me :) In the end we will have it all :) Warm regards Oliver
Tank u so much
HI guys sounds amazing.. & beautifully dissonant, I was trying to figure a way to resolve those patterns .Not sure where to go coming off E flat Dorian or the D Dorian .Your talent has opened many doors .. Big Thanks
Oliver I’m still not sure how to resolve those patterns .. Any suggestions?
Hi, and I'm so sorry - I didn't see that there was a question. Can you maybe elaborate a little on the question? I'm not quite sure what you mean...
Wondered if those 2 patterns could be resolved to a tonic. That would finish the dissonance ? 😉
AHHH - now I get it, sorry that I'm a little slow... This is a very good and interesting question. Thanks :)
Well, playing Eb Dorian with the "e" note in the bass we can for example resolve to the Eb minor chord just by lowering the bass note a half step. That a very logic and clear resolution, try it out :) In the lesson/song I actually move the bass a half note down to "eb" to resolve the sound, but then I CHEAT and move the Dorian scale down a half step as well - in that way the resolution is displaced or offset - if you can follow me. So we never reach the resolution to the tonic and we have a everlasting sound of suspension.
@@NewJazz I would say that Eb dorian over E sounds best when resolved to Eb (Ebmaj7), instead of Ebm. Of course it is a matter of personal preference.
Excellent lesson! Thank you!
One question: Your keyboard sound is amazing - which one do you use?
Thank you so much. In the lesson (first part of the video ) I use this piano sound from Native instruments: www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/the-grandeur/
In the song (by the end of the video) I use this Rhodes sound, also from Native Instruments: www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/scarbee-mark-1/
Best regards from Oliver
thanks for the post
Like it!!
Grande!!!
this is great thank for share
how can i play that on the guitar
thanks again guys
Hi Gonzalo and thanks a lot. I have heard from several guitarists that it is possible to do all the same stuff on the guitar as well - but I I really don't know anything about the guitar, so I don't know how...
Regards Oliver
Very nice!
I guess I'd think of this as Lydian over b7, so F Lydian over eb. If we make that F Lydian over Eb Lydian, it's a variation on the Super-Hyper-Ultra-Mega-Meta-Lydian scale :D
This is beyond. Very well explained. I have a question, your keyboard solo is based on pentatonic notes only?
Hi and thanks :) In the solo I constantly play a minor pentatonic hand grip with the thumb on a pentatonic keynote. The pentatonic hand grips are placed in many different tonalities. Sometimes I slide a tritone blue note... Kind regards Oliver
i play guitar but i always watch videos by pianists because guitarists dont talk about this stuff
This is so amazing sir.
I'll be glad if you'll guide me in person with one of the song I have composed for my first ever album based on Dorian mode.
Please let me know how I can reach out to you?
Hi and thanks a lot. I believe you can find my email in the about section of this channel ;) Cheers from Oliver
As in all your Videos I really like what the bass sounding Keyboard is doing being a Bass Player myself- I would be proud to sound like that. I was wondering if you could expand a bit on what's going on with the bass notes. Apart from using root and fifth, Is this applying the same technique of using Pentatonic chains to construct the fills?
In this song I think mostly in key, fourth, fifth and octave. Sometimes I add the minor seventh. So the tonal material in the bass is simple and open - it gives me more freedom to play the piano solo... So in this song I do not use the pentatonic chain in the bass. I remember that I tried, but everything got too messy ;) I hope you can use my answer ;) Best regards Oliver
thanks for the video, nice teaching!
i try this with saxophone but didn't get this feel hahaha
LOL. You also need a bass player to give you the displaced key note to make the sound ;)
Would the fact you played all 4 notes next to each other in the same frequency range rather than when you play the dorian up and down the keyboard with the bass static in the lower octaves, therefore giving you wider range of notes over a much greater frequency range, not help open up space and make it all sound a lot better....than just 4 notes played next to each..
Yes, I think you are right. Spreading the Dorian out in nice pentatonic hand grips and playing the bass in much lower frequency all help us ;)
Doesn't shifting the base down a half step just make it sound phrygian?
Hi :) If we play Dorian and move the bass note up a whole-step we will have the Phrygian scale, that's correct. For example; if we play D Dorian (all the white keys) and move the bass note up to the E note, then we have the E-Phrygian (still all the white keys). But in the video we move the bass note up a HALF step, not a whole-step ;) But maybe you are thinking about something else??? Feel free to elaborate if so ;) Best regards Oliver
"We will discover how we can violate the dorian mode and get away with it"..... I'm scared
Haha - one of first videos...
What would it be if we excluded the E note from the scale?
Hi :) Are we talking about "D-Dorian/Eb" (D-Dorian with Eb in the bass)?
Can we mess up the other modes like this? What about Lydian mode?
Hi :) I haven't tried. It could probably be nice. Messing up things is what we need more...
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"This is a highly dissonant clashing sound"
oh good, it's not just me.
Hahaha...
i am a guitar player but fiddeling on the piano thinking about the c major scale , it guess i always jam in d dorian ...!
Yes, the c major or d dorian scale is the same keys - but a very different sound ;)
and the sound is just related to the bass notes - or related harmony tones i guess?
Yes precisely, the bass-note/keynote makes all the difference.
Can this theory of altered bass notes work with other scales?
Hi :) I haven't tried it... but basically - in Music - everything is possible!!!
very hard to do on guitar, you have to move the tonality of your strings and dont be afraid of headhacke!!!i love piano and regret for having been learning only know! thanks oliver!
What is the Chord name? What is the Key? Dm/Eb??
Yes - Or we could name the chords after the modes they have been derived from. So the chord progression is:
||: Eb-Dorian/e | D-Dorian/eb :||
We could also write it in more traditional terms:
||: Ebmi13/e | Dmi13/eb :||
And yes, I also hear the main key as "D-Dorian/eb". This is also the final chord in the song. But this song is so 'way out' that it's hard to define any key...
Thank you for your easy explanation~~
Would that be dorian flat 2 from melodic minor?
We hear D Dorian with Eb in the bass. Well, it could also be "D Dorian b2" (with b2 in the bass) - but then we must add the Major second step as well, the e-note...
Okay thank you
I just like you
E(dorian)/F = F Lidian?
Hi :) Can you elaborate a little :) Cheers from Oliver
@@NewJazz Well E dorian is second of D so no way of using as Bass F, but Em pentatonic with F as bass it looks Lidian. contain all notes of a Lidian mode. It seems.
Actually I love how it sounds.
@@gastonblue4659 Exactly!!! E-Dorian/F is way off any well-known scale; it's not diatonic. And yes Emi-penta/F gives us the F-Lydian scale, except we miss the 5th step. But we hear the bright augmented 4th step that characterize the Lydian sound. Cheers from Oliver
Good evening Olivier I want to become a great jazz pianist could you take me as your pupil please? I am francophone my english leaves a desire.
Hi :) I'm so sorry but I don't give private lessons if that's what you ask for. I try to use all my efforts on the free public videos here on YT - I hope you understand and I also hope you will stay tuned on the NewJazz Channel :)
A new video is uploaded approximately every third/fourth week. Best regards Oliver