Yet another hypothetical: the Royal Navy gets wind of the treaty violations that Japan and Germany are engaged in and decide to follow suit, circa 1936. They start by up-speccing the King George V class to be the equivalent of the later proposed Lion class and letting their aircraft carrier designers go wild. What could the British shipbuilding industry get into the water by the start of WW2 given free reign? What impact would this have had on the naval aspect of WW2?
Why did navies believe that two to four single medium caliber (3-5 inch) guns was a sufficient defense against aircraft and did any ships break that tread early on?
Alternate history: you command the kregismerine light forces. What ships do you assemble to deal with a task for consisting of the uss johnston, błyskawica, and the uss Nashvile?
These were remarkably resilient ships in spite of their compromised design, with Marblehead (bomb) and Raleigh (torpedo) surviving major damage early in the war, and Milwaukee surviving her loan to the Soviets. No wartime losses for the class is a bit of an achievement.
@@benlubbers4943 When the ship is returned with her main armament rusted in place due to never being trained (much less fired), hitting a mine would be a mercy.
@@benlubbers4943 Apparently the Kamkatcha did the USS Milwaukee no favors by, for once in its life, NOT signalling that there were Japanese torpedo boats about...even a false alert would have gotten her 6 inchers some practice!
An improvement on the Phoenix though... Good ship to learn that whole hiding behind islands and sniping thing... And the mystery of why Murmansk looks exactly like the Omaha is finally explained :)
On the other hand, being taken for an Omaha-class cruiser led to USS Peary (DD-226) being singled out by Japanese dive bombers during the raid on Darwin on 19 February 1942; she took five bomb hits and sank with the loss of 92 crew members.
There's an account of the opposite happening while the Marblehead and two four pipe destroyers were on their way back to a shipyard. The Marblehead had already been badly damaged and had to steer by her propellers alone, which would have made her an easy target, but a japanese airstrike went after one of the escorts instead, presumably due to mistaken identity. The escorting destroyer got through without taking a hit, and the Marblehead was able to make it to port to get patched up for the next leg of her journey to get properly repaired.
If the design had been thought out better, they could've just used 4 twin turrets instead of those ridiculous double-stack casemates. But the use of turrets at all came very late in the design process. The design that'd been selected had only the lower casemate guns, and each casemate mount had an open mount for another 6" gun above it on the roof. Plus a pair of open mounts for 6" guns amidships. But this 5-gun broadside considered a fairly pathetic for a 7,000 ton ship. The British C-class cruisers (at least the Caldeon, Ceres, and Carlisle subclasses) were 2,000 tons lighter yet had the same 5-gun broadside. The open mounts were also considered too vulnerable. So the design was revised with double-stack casemates and the empty deck space forward and aft was used for the twin turrets. And the amidships 6" mounts were replaced by the 3" AA guns. Still a quite inefficient layout, but at least the 8-gun broadside was equal to or better than that of other scout cruisers of the era.
They should have forced the US House and Senate members to serve 4 weeks on US ships, and then 4 weeks on British ships - we’d have seen better funding STAT after that, I expect.
The US has this fetish for building perfect equipment/vehicles. We(somewhat) led the creation of the main battle tank with our insistence on just improving the M4 Sherman rather than building heavy tanks. I see some of that subtle design philosophy in the Omaha class; someone very clearly tried to build a jack-of-all-trades cruiser.
*Marblehead* of the *Omaha* class nearly sank from a Japanese aircraft bomb hit that near the ship but the shock popped all its rivets in the stern. However, the needed repairs kept the *Marblehead* out of the debacle of the Java Sea battle saving her from certain destruction. She sailed back to the USA from Dutch Indonesia in early '42, through the Indian Ocean, rounding the cape of Africa, and arriving in the USA in mid-1942. *Marblehead* finished her repairs and overhaul and spent the rest of the war hunting for German blockade runners in the South Atlantic.
Yes, the South Atlantic would be the best place for the Marble Head. If only we could to back to the scrap yard and put her back to gather, what a nice museum ship she would be.
my favourite gem: "the small, fragile protected cruisers and the big, slow armoured cruisers had an effective combat power of ...khm... you really??!!"
The list of topics is shrinking really fast at this rate, might have to add to it in the near future. Or finish this one and make a new one for the satisfaction of having finished that gigantic list. Either way, please consider some Dutch ships, like our subs, first snorkels, most ships sunk in the beginning of the war and all that. Or some of our sailing ships, can't really find a lot of information on Dutch ship classes (ranks/tiers?) like the English had on their sailing ships. Or the story of the Batavia, if you haven't already, quite gruelling... Anyway, thanks for the content Drach!
Would be amazing to learn about some of the ships my grandfather worked on (he was a Rotterdam shipwright). Theres still a model ship he built in the Rijksmuseum i think.
The USN survey team that looked over the Milwaukee after its return from the USSR loan stated the Milwaukee was the filthiest ship the team had ever seen and recommended its immediate scrapping. Anyone know what condition the Royal Sovereign was in when it was returned?
I remember reading Royal Sovereign was in as much a poor state. A lack of moving the guns meant that when she was returned to the RN they found the turrets had been rusted (at least I think it was rust, it may have been some other issue) and so the guns couldn’t actually be traversed. I think she was scrapped fairly soon after her return
@@Warspite1 I never understood why the Soviets did that, even if she was old her main battery was more than adequate for shore bombardment and general maintenance doesn't require highly trained/specialized personnel.
I've been looking forward to this installment for a long time. My dad was a RM1C on the Detroit from 42-45. He said they called it the "dirty D." He was proud of his ship though.
As always, very informative and entertaining. As a career officer of 25 year service, I can tell you I am and my shipmates appreciated greatly the heavy armament of the US ships. By the time I was eight years old, I had access to the Philadelphia Naval ship Yard , ci an uncle who was a supervisor. I would travel south some 30 blocks on the subway and then walk over 3 miles to the entrance of the naval base, where the marines would wave me in. I used to make a few dollars running errands fetching and in general helping out and got to crawl over every ship that was brought in after World War II. The one class that the veterans never spoke highly of was the Omaha.
Omaha, Marblehead and Memphis operated for a while in Recife alongside the BZN Memphis and Omaha even escorted some of the ships that transported the FEB to Italy I remember that two veterans of the BZN embarked spent some day on Omaha for instructional purposes. While another two spent some days on Marblehead
The British had also lent the soviets A ship when it was eventually returned it was returned with all guns loaded and shit smeared on the mess decks, A very ode lot the Russians.
Great video! Would love to see a video devoted specifically to USS MARBLEHEAD's actions in the South Pacific and subsequent near round-the-world cruise.
Great work Drach, I really like the Omaha class. These old cruisers had such character about them. I still enjoy playing the Omaha in World of warships.
Was thinking the same; would like to see how they stored and performed maintenance on them at sea. Strange that, in the US Navy at least, smaller cruisers had hangar space while larger battleships didn't.
My dad served on the USS Raleigh from early 1943 (I believe) until they took her to the scrapyard. I guess I kind of like the idea that the kids know about these things from their video games, so that these ships are remembered, but I'm not sure I like the fact that they remember them from their own experiences playing a game. The "men" who sailed on these ships were often just kids themselves and many of them suffered and died protecting our country. My dad said that we were building ships so fast that they were setting sail without bedding and other necessities that the sailors needed. Those were tough times and every single ship served an important function in our navy. The Omaha class cruisers were never "junk" or "crap" or "useless." They, along with the sailors who served on them, kept us free. My dad passed away a few years ago, so all I have are bits and pieces of stories that he told over the years about his time on the Raleigh.
The worst call to hear at a US Navy admiral "Its Congress here, we need to have a word about your funding, do you really need this much money, we think you need less."
My dad served aboard the USS Trenton he loved his ship and his time in the navy, he was in San Fran when the war ended, they had quite the three day riot , but that’s another story❤
USS Omaha was my father's first assignment out the USNA 6/42. Omaha was on patrol for blockade-runners in the Atlantic west of Brazil. Omaha had captured a blockade-runner (shortly before Ens. Nichols reported on board) and this became the last case of a prize-money capture in US Navy history with the ship sent to Havana with a prize-crew I believe.
I love playing the USS Marble head on WOWs. Very fast and maneuverable, but with very thin armor you always need to be on your toe's when playing her for sure!.
I read the twin 6inch mounts were added late in the ships design phase as they were considered under gunned. And that many of the world's Navy's considered the design almost obsolescent upon completion due to the casement mountings.
I grew up in Concord, Massachusetts. The bell of the Omaha class named for the town is on display in the town center. The USS Concord supposedly fired the last shot of the war against the Japanese mainland although this has always been something I have wanted to look into in greater detail.
I just got back from a party were I drank the last of a bottle 18 year single malt whisky and got this notification. I don't think I'm going to remember anything this was about, so will have to wait till morning. But I like to hear your starting music. It sounds especially foreboding after a few drams of whisky under my belt.
Hi I have a suggestion for a ship review. My Grandpa served on the USS Abner Read (DD-526) from what little I know about it was hit in action a couple of time, once in Alaska and sunk by Kamakazi plane near the Phillpinnes. It would be cool to see a tribute to his ship. Thanks let me know if your interested. Ken.
7:02 I've now watched so many youtube videos about wwii that I can now see "мурманск" on the side of a vessel an immediately pronounce it Murmansk in my head without resorting to google translate.
Apparently, that mast held, due to a disturbance caused by the Second Doctor's TARDIS, all of the wireless signals that Admiral Beatty was supposed to have sent to Admiral Jellicoe, if he had followed Royal Navy procedure.
Stalin: " Hey capitalist pigs, can we get in on this hot lend-lease action? " Roosevelt: " Do we have to? " Stalin: " Yes " Roosevelt: " OK, here, take the oldest ships in our fleet. "
Hmmmmmm Ohama steaks......wait, we are talking about ships ??? Oh well.....a very interesting class that is definitely a historical oddity. Fantastic video as always Drach.
Could you do a video on the San Giorgio??? Its one of my favorite ships. She rocked the Mediterranean when she existed. Keep up the good work, your biggest fan . J
My father in law few a OS2U floatplane off the USS Trenton, patrolling of the West Coast of South American. The black powder powered takeoff, was crazy enough but the landing/recovery procedure sounded downright dangerous.
patrolling of the West Coast of South American. The most obscure theater of the war, the Southeast Pacific. For a while, the largest Allied warship in the theater was a US wooden 136 foot motor minesweeper with a 3 inch and two 20mm guns (YMS).
I think it was the Battle of the Komandorski islands where the USS Richmond and the Salt Lake City got mollywhomped on by the Japanese and they were in turn saved by their fearless destroyer escorts. *Also if one day you decide you have some spare time(humor of course) you should do a overview on the USS Idaho. She was one of the more unspoken of battleships during WW2. (and its my home state so I am biased of course lol.)
I like the Omaha (and is one of my "go-to" ships in World of Warships). She isnt good for cruiser type work, but is perfect for leading destroyers....and destroying enemy destroyers in turn
You're right about confusing them with the four stacker destroyers of the era. For about the first 2-3 seconds of seeing the primary video image, that was my thought.
Also a English built training cruiser named La' Argentina I believe. The two cruisers you speak of were Italian made & only treaty cruiser(s) of a third world country.
Loving the videos, sir! Thank you! You mentioned the USN having ships on loan to the Soviet Navy. In hindsight that seems like a bad idea. How common was it for navies to loan ships to other navies, especially potentiy hostile ones? Did any of them have cause to regret the loan?
The Royal Navy sent the Russians the battleship Royal Sovereign and both the Royal and US navies sent several four stack flush deck destroyers but none saw action with the Soviet forces. The idea was to loan these to the Russians as a 'downpayment' on Italian tonnage as war reparations.The Royal Sovereign, on return, apparently had ammunition rusted into the guns as Russian maintenance was terrible. Like the American cruiser she was 'put out of her misery' and scrapped on her return.
I wonder what the officer thought when they first see Milwaukee upon her return from USSR. (In my head I picture an officer that served aboard the Pittsburg, completely speechless because he thought he saw it all until he saw Miwaukee)
Very much enjoy your videos, thank you so much for all the time and effort they take! Have you ever done a video about the original New York ACR-2? I discovered an old plate with her picture on it when I was cleaning out a kitchen cabinet, and have no idea where it came from!
USS Bergall vs IJN Myoko & Ushio, please. While not a fleet action, there's plenty of drama and "you got away with what?" on both sides, with damage control factoring in for both sides afterwards.
I don't know what it is, maybe the stacks and the straight lines, but I love cruisers (especially light cruisers) from 1905-WW1/just post WW1. Omaha's a little too "modern" for my taste but she's close. Personally I love the cruisers with lines like the Indefatigable. I know most people have that aesthetic but I love it.
I was looking at the Brooklyn class cruisers and noticed it took up to 8 years before they were commissioned from order date. I assume the stock market crash in 1929 slowed construction a wee bit.
Herbert Hoover ordered a halt in all US naval construction from 1929-33. It took FDR a year to begin construction when he started using WPA & NRA funds to build naval vessels.
Could you do a Rum Ration episode on the newsreel footage used in the intro? I'd love to see more of the heavy battleships coming toward the camera, etc. Hopefully with comments on how reliant they were on the signal lamps, how widespread was the viewership of the newsreels, whatever comes up.
I like the irony of the US using landlocked regions, cities, etc for the names of ships and/or their classes. Omaha is in the dead center of the continental US, Arizona is a desert state, we've had 3 ships bearing the name USS Denver and Denver is as far above sea level as it gets in America.
Denali ain't a molehill. BTW, I've climbed the highest peak in every state in the lower 48, including Florida's fearsome 345 foot Britton Hill. Even Kansas has a higher hill (When I was stationed at Ft Riley, I had a rather well endowed girlfriend who owned a T-Shirt that read, "Not Everything In Kansas Is Flat"
Pinned post for Q&A :)
If a Nelson class battleship had come up against a bismark class battleship while the bismark was escorting a convoy how would this fight go?
Could you add HMS Conway to the list? It's got a rather long and interesting history particularly if you include it's time as the HMS Nile
Yet another hypothetical: the Royal Navy gets wind of the treaty violations that Japan and Germany are engaged in and decide to follow suit, circa 1936. They start by up-speccing the King George V class to be the equivalent of the later proposed Lion class and letting their aircraft carrier designers go wild. What could the British shipbuilding industry get into the water by the start of WW2 given free reign? What impact would this have had on the naval aspect of WW2?
Why did navies believe that two to four single medium caliber (3-5 inch) guns was a sufficient defense against aircraft and did any ships break that tread early on?
Alternate history: you command the kregismerine light forces. What ships do you assemble to deal with a task for consisting of the uss johnston, błyskawica, and the uss Nashvile?
These were remarkably resilient ships in spite of their compromised design, with Marblehead (bomb) and Raleigh (torpedo) surviving major damage early in the war, and Milwaukee surviving her loan to the Soviets. No wartime losses for the class is a bit of an achievement.
I love how being loaned to the soviets is comperable to being hit by a bomb or torpedo.
Poor Royal Sovereign.
@@benlubbers4943 When the ship is returned with her main armament rusted in place due to never being trained (much less fired), hitting a mine would be a mercy.
@@benlubbers4943 Apparently the Kamkatcha did the USS Milwaukee no favors by, for once in its life, NOT signalling that there were Japanese torpedo boats about...even a false alert would have gotten her 6 inchers some practice!
@@benlubbers4943 It took them out of the war
Ah, everyone's favorite punching bag in World of Warships., the citadel city. 🤣
It even gets in T7 games, you can citadel it with your secondaries
@@mbntr2363 No you cant.
@@atdfbttl15 only possible way is possibly a fail division i think but ya
An improvement on the Phoenix though... Good ship to learn that whole hiding behind islands and sniping thing...
And the mystery of why Murmansk looks exactly like the Omaha is finally explained :)
when you can nuke it with BB HE cits :D
"To let enemy aircraft know they had been spotted..." Well played, sir! :D
"...Milwaukee surviving her loan to the Soviets." "Put out of her misery." Ah, the one liners are excellent this post!
@@johnmoore8599 how badly abused was she
“…had an effective combat power of “ *_chuckles_* really?” got me giggling as well.
@@JohnSmith-kg2rt The Soviet neglect of their loaner warships was (dark) legend. When returned, they were only good for scrap.
Omaha Class in Real Life: Not to bad
Omaha Class in World of Warships: *EVERYTHING HURTS!*
You don't keep it for very long though
You obviously have not played War Thunder Naval with this ship.
It hurts more then it should be physically possible
So true!!! Lol.j
@@williamgandarillas2185 no one had tbh.
Imagine an enemy going "There's one of those American 4 piper destroyers. A easy kill." Then discovering the hard way it was one of the Omahas. sm
On the other hand, being taken for an Omaha-class cruiser led to USS Peary (DD-226) being singled out by Japanese dive bombers during the raid on Darwin on 19 February 1942; she took five bomb hits and sank with the loss of 92 crew members.
There's an account of the opposite happening while the Marblehead and two four pipe destroyers were on their way back to a shipyard. The Marblehead had already been badly damaged and had to steer by her propellers alone, which would have made her an easy target, but a japanese airstrike went after one of the escorts instead, presumably due to mistaken identity. The escorting destroyer got through without taking a hit, and the Marblehead was able to make it to port to get patched up for the next leg of her journey to get properly repaired.
Just got bamboozled
The reverse of the battle off samar
„... to mount a significant gun battery, this is the US after all....“ brilliant phrase
"The Arsenal of Democracy."
The stereotype is that Americans love guns almost too much... as an American I can say that this is 110% true.
That's why I was surprised he used knots to discuss speed instead of the traditional American "Freedoms per Barrel of Oil"
I imagine the US was so jealous of HMS Agincourt: they were likely already planning an 8 Main Battery Turret Dreadnought.
@@grahamr4916 What do you mean too much?
There's no such thing as too many guns until it gets in the way of your goals. Everybody needs MOAR DAKKA.
”How many 6 inch guns should we put on this new cruiser?”
”All of them.”
"You mean-"
"Yes. Double stack classmate them if you have to.”
It is the Oprah Winfrey of warships:
"You get a 6" gun, and you get a 6" gun! You are ALL getting 6" guns!!!"
@@richardtaylor1652 American equivalent of the Vickers salesman: "Would sir like another 6-inch gun with that?"
@@Wolfeson28 USN: "Do I look like a Nancy boy? Of course I want another 6" gun!"
@@richardtaylor1652 6 foot guns? I'll take 10
If the design had been thought out better, they could've just used 4 twin turrets instead of those ridiculous double-stack casemates. But the use of turrets at all came very late in the design process.
The design that'd been selected had only the lower casemate guns, and each casemate mount had an open mount for another 6" gun above it on the roof. Plus a pair of open mounts for 6" guns amidships. But this 5-gun broadside considered a fairly pathetic for a 7,000 ton ship. The British C-class cruisers (at least the Caldeon, Ceres, and Carlisle subclasses) were 2,000 tons lighter yet had the same 5-gun broadside. The open mounts were also considered too vulnerable. So the design was revised with double-stack casemates and the empty deck space forward and aft was used for the twin turrets. And the amidships 6" mounts were replaced by the 3" AA guns. Still a quite inefficient layout, but at least the 8-gun broadside was equal to or better than that of other scout cruisers of the era.
The Omahas look as if they were designed to be everything at once.
They were.
They should have forced the US House and Senate members to serve 4 weeks on US ships, and then 4 weeks on British ships - we’d have seen better funding STAT after that, I expect.
The US has this fetish for building perfect equipment/vehicles. We(somewhat) led the creation of the main battle tank with our insistence on just improving the M4 Sherman rather than building heavy tanks. I see some of that subtle design philosophy in the Omaha class; someone very clearly tried to build a jack-of-all-trades cruiser.
*Marblehead* of the *Omaha* class nearly sank from a Japanese aircraft bomb hit that near the ship but the shock popped all its rivets in the stern. However, the needed repairs kept the *Marblehead* out of the debacle of the Java Sea battle saving her from certain destruction. She sailed back to the USA from Dutch Indonesia in early '42, through the Indian Ocean, rounding the cape of Africa, and arriving in the USA in mid-1942. *Marblehead* finished her repairs and overhaul and spent the rest of the war hunting for German blockade runners in the South Atlantic.
A rare case when damage to your ship is a blessing in disguise.
@@Nuke89345 Lol
Yes, the South Atlantic would be the best place for the Marble Head. If only we could to back to the scrap yard and put her back to gather, what a nice museum ship she would be.
my favourite gem: "the small, fragile protected cruisers and the big, slow armoured cruisers had an effective combat power of ...khm... you really??!!"
Absolute Drachinifel-isms.
"two 3" guns to let aircraft know that they'd been spotted" I've got to stop drinking stuff when I watch these videos.
Did you have one of those whatever you where drinking cam out the nose moment
The list of topics is shrinking really fast at this rate, might have to add to it in the near future. Or finish this one and make a new one for the satisfaction of having finished that gigantic list. Either way, please consider some Dutch ships, like our subs, first snorkels, most ships sunk in the beginning of the war and all that. Or some of our sailing ships, can't really find a lot of information on Dutch ship classes (ranks/tiers?) like the English had on their sailing ships. Or the story of the Batavia, if you haven't already, quite gruelling...
Anyway, thanks for the content Drach!
How about HMS Unicorn, patrol boats, and what's it like to be a rating?
Has he done human voice on the first ships yet. That would be great to see those redone.
Dutch ships would be great.
This was supposed to be USS Marblehead, which was worth a episode all it's own. At least that's what the list said, as recently as a week ago.
Would be amazing to learn about some of the ships my grandfather worked on (he was a Rotterdam shipwright). Theres still a model ship he built in the Rijksmuseum i think.
The USN survey team that looked over the Milwaukee after its return from the USSR loan stated the Milwaukee was the filthiest ship the team had ever seen and recommended its immediate scrapping. Anyone know what condition the Royal Sovereign was in when it was returned?
The same, pretty much.
I remember reading Royal Sovereign was in as much a poor state. A lack of moving the guns meant that when she was returned to the RN they found the turrets had been rusted (at least I think it was rust, it may have been some other issue) and so the guns couldn’t actually be traversed. I think she was scrapped fairly soon after her return
The inability of the Russians, especially of this period, to properly care for their ships is practically legendary.
@@Warspite1 I never understood why the Soviets did that, even if she was old her main battery was more than adequate for shore bombardment and general maintenance doesn't require highly trained/specialized personnel.
@@jimmyseaver3647 Not much has changed in 80 years...
USS Free Citadel hits
Angling the Armor is a complete joke.
@@tancredbey606 Angling works only if there is armor to begin with.
USS i always appear in your special builds
The one ship class in World of Warships made out of Stormtrooper armour
@@nitsu2947 At least it isn't HMS Kent...
5:50 "The Punisher" makes a rare double appearance around the rear funnels. I had no idea he existed in the 1930s!
Admiral- where is our screening force?.
Seaman- about 50 km behind us sir. So we are the screening force.
I've been looking forward to this installment for a long time. My dad was a RM1C on the Detroit from 42-45. He said they called it the "dirty D." He was proud of his ship though.
As always, very informative and entertaining. As a career officer of 25 year service, I can tell you I am and my shipmates appreciated greatly the heavy armament of the US ships. By the time I was eight years old, I had access to the Philadelphia Naval ship Yard , ci an uncle who was a supervisor. I would travel south some 30 blocks on the subway and then walk over 3 miles to the entrance of the naval base, where the marines would wave me in. I used to make a few dollars running errands fetching and in general helping out and got to crawl over every ship that was brought in after World War II. The one class that the veterans never spoke highly of was the Omaha.
Put your hands up for Detroit! Our lovely cruiser!
Don't ask about our LCS...
One of two US warships at both Pearl Harbor and Tokyo Bay.
My Grandfather served on the Detroit! Was there in Tokyo Bay. He flew in one of the ship’s OS2U Kingfishers.
6:28 was that an Easter egg?
Mebe Drach could do an essay on the LCSs , with comparisons to the Bradley in 'The Pentagon Wars'?!
LCS is the biggest waste of money in today’s military. Literally don’t serve any practical purpose, and they’re still making more
"...An effective combat power of 'ehem, um, really‽' ", is definitely one of my all-time favorite Drachisms!
Norman Friedman wrote about this class. His book on USN cruisers is great to have
Any names of the books I should check out?
@@Andrew-yl7lm anything by Norman Friedman and Mark Stille
Omaha, Marblehead and Memphis operated for a while in Recife alongside the BZN
Memphis and Omaha even escorted some of the ships that transported the FEB to Italy
I remember that two veterans of the BZN embarked spent some day on Omaha for instructional purposes.
While another two spent some days on Marblehead
"Put out of its misery".
Ouch.
The ship after her stint in the Red Navy: "Kill me, please!"
I doubt that was an exaggeration
The British had also lent the soviets A ship when it was eventually returned it was returned with all guns loaded and shit smeared on the mess decks, A very ode lot the Russians.
@@normanlesley1867 Was that a joke? If not please tell me the name of the ship
@@gyaps_da_best5835 The Royal Sovereign.
The USS Omaha, commanded by Captain Peyton Manning.
Hell yes this got a like
Knew a Manning correlation was coming 👍
Was looking for this comment
Only American's who watch American football would catch that.
Born and raised in Omaha, this brought a smile to my face.
Thankfully the city has fared better than the ship class.
(1:01) Describing the effective combat power of seriously inadequate ships with a laugh and "Really?"
British humor is the best kind. ^_^
Great video! Would love to see a video devoted specifically to USS MARBLEHEAD's actions in the South Pacific and subsequent near round-the-world cruise.
My Grandfather served on the USS Omaha during WWII. Thanks for the video.
Everytime I hear Omaha I always think of Peyton Manning calling out plays.
I think Union Pacific
....i think of steaks
Not sure Drach gets the reference.
Great work Drach, I really like the Omaha class. These old cruisers had such character about them. I still enjoy playing the Omaha in World of warships.
I'd love to see you do something on ship born aircraft. Things like the Kingfisher, Walrus and alike.
Was thinking the same; would like to see how they stored and performed maintenance on them at sea. Strange that, in the US Navy at least, smaller cruisers had hangar space while larger battleships didn't.
My dad served on the USS Raleigh from early 1943 (I believe) until they took her to the scrapyard. I guess I kind of like the idea that the kids know about these things from their video games, so that these ships are remembered, but I'm not sure I like the fact that they remember them from their own experiences playing a game. The "men" who sailed on these ships were often just kids themselves and many of them suffered and died protecting our country. My dad said that we were building ships so fast that they were setting sail without bedding and other necessities that the sailors needed. Those were tough times and every single ship served an important function in our navy. The Omaha class cruisers were never "junk" or "crap" or "useless." They, along with the sailors who served on them, kept us free. My dad passed away a few years ago, so all I have are bits and pieces of stories that he told over the years about his time on the Raleigh.
The worst call to hear at a US Navy admiral "Its Congress here, we need to have a word about your funding, do you really need this much money, we think you need less."
Happens every Friday afternoon. Only they just send their staffers.
02:47 that depth of field tho. *chef's kiss
My dad served aboard the USS Trenton he loved his ship and his time in the navy, he was in San Fran when the war ended, they had quite the three day riot , but that’s another story❤
USS Omaha was my father's first assignment out the USNA 6/42. Omaha was on patrol for blockade-runners in the Atlantic west of Brazil.
Omaha had captured a blockade-runner (shortly before Ens. Nichols reported on board) and this became the last case of a prize-money capture in US Navy history with the ship sent to Havana with a prize-crew I believe.
Please do a video on all the ships to have the misfortune of being named "USS Milwaukee". I believe the ships to be cursed.
I'm super excited for the 5 minute guide on USS Marblehead eventually. She's got one hell of a sea story.
At 4:29 the ship is photographed cutting a wake in reverse; I can't think of any other photo showing a ship doing that!
I love playing the USS Marble head on WOWs. Very fast and maneuverable, but with very thin armor you always need to be on your toe's when playing her for sure!.
What about a video on the trials and tribulations of the USS Marblehead CL-12?
I read the twin 6inch mounts were added late in the ships design phase as they were considered under gunned.
And that many of the world's Navy's considered the design almost obsolescent upon completion due to the casement mountings.
I have been waiting so long for my favorite low tier cruiser from WoWS to be covered and here she is :D
I grew up in Concord, Massachusetts. The bell of the Omaha class named for the town is on display in the town center. The USS Concord supposedly fired the last shot of the war against the Japanese mainland although this has always been something I have wanted to look into in greater detail.
I just got back from a party were I drank the last of a bottle 18 year single malt whisky and got this notification. I don't think I'm going to remember anything this was about, so will have to wait till morning. But I like to hear your starting music. It sounds especially foreboding after a few drams of whisky under my belt.
Your intro never gets old.
I'd love to see a full video on the Omaha class.
Hi I have a suggestion for a ship review. My Grandpa served on the USS Abner Read (DD-526) from what little I know
about it was hit in action a couple of time, once in Alaska and sunk by Kamakazi plane near the Phillpinnes. It would be
cool to see a tribute to his ship. Thanks let me know if your interested.
Ken.
7:02 I've now watched so many youtube videos about wwii that I can now see "мурманск" on the side of a vessel an immediately pronounce it Murmansk in my head without resorting to google translate.
Was my fav ship to play in wows.... the non upgraded boat with more torp tubes was quite deadly.
I've been waiting for this video for almost a year now super excited thank you for doing it
Last time I was this early Betty still refused to report his position
Betty Boothroyd certainly would have reported Beatty's position at once, and I am unanimous in that!
2:55 Wtf is that on the mast? The entire "War And Peace" by Leo Tolstoy in flag signals?
Apparently, that mast held, due to a disturbance caused by the Second Doctor's TARDIS, all of the wireless signals that Admiral Beatty was supposed to have sent to Admiral Jellicoe, if he had followed Royal Navy procedure.
Its today's wardroom menu
Stalin: " Hey capitalist pigs, can we get in on this hot lend-lease action? "
Roosevelt: " Do we have to? "
Stalin: " Yes "
Roosevelt: " OK, here, take the oldest ships in our fleet. "
Hmmmmmm Ohama steaks......wait, we are talking about ships ???
Oh well.....a very interesting class that is definitely a historical oddity.
Fantastic video as always Drach.
Lol😁
Could you do a video on the San Giorgio??? Its one of my favorite ships. She rocked the Mediterranean when she existed. Keep up the good work, your biggest fan . J
My father in law few a OS2U floatplane off the USS Trenton, patrolling of the West Coast of South American. The black powder powered takeoff, was crazy enough but the landing/recovery procedure sounded downright dangerous.
patrolling of the West Coast of South American.
The most obscure theater of the war, the Southeast Pacific. For a while, the largest Allied warship in the theater was a US wooden 136 foot motor minesweeper with a 3 inch and two 20mm guns (YMS).
What a hoot seeing an Omaha in Malta!
I think it was the Battle of the Komandorski islands where the USS Richmond and the Salt Lake City got mollywhomped on by the Japanese and they were in turn saved by their fearless destroyer escorts.
*Also if one day you decide you have some spare time(humor of course) you should do a overview on the USS Idaho. She was one of the more unspoken of battleships during WW2. (and its my home state so I am biased of course lol.)
Probably too small to count as a ship , but the story of MGB 320 , a fairmile C class would make a good program
I'm still waiting for my E boat and MTB specials.....😏
Awesome! Do love drac in the morning light.. and in moon light Edison's electric light.
I just love the old 4 funnel cruisers!
I like the Omaha (and is one of my "go-to" ships in World of Warships). She isnt good for cruiser type work, but is perfect for leading destroyers....and destroying enemy destroyers in turn
You're right about confusing them with the four stacker destroyers of the era. For about the first 2-3 seconds of seeing the primary video image, that was my thought.
Maye we can see a guide to the 25h of May class heavy cruisers of Argentina, in the 1930s?
The carrier Vientecinco de Mayo HMS was originally the HMS Venerable
@@1982nsu Yes you are right, but Argentina had 2 heavy cruiser in the 1930s, and one of the carried the same name.
Also a English built training cruiser named La' Argentina I believe. The two cruisers you speak of were Italian made & only treaty cruiser(s) of a third world country.
@@relluplewis7112 Yes and after the war they scraped them to be able to afford the 2 U. S. Brooklyns
Great work again!
Loving the videos, sir! Thank you! You mentioned the USN having ships on loan to the Soviet Navy. In hindsight that seems like a bad idea. How common was it for navies to loan ships to other navies, especially potentiy hostile ones? Did any of them have cause to regret the loan?
Well, it's not like they loaned the Soviets a really modern one.
The Royal Navy sent the Russians the battleship Royal Sovereign and both the Royal and US navies sent several four stack flush deck destroyers but none saw action with the Soviet forces. The idea was to loan these to the Russians as a 'downpayment' on Italian tonnage as war reparations.The Royal Sovereign, on return, apparently had ammunition rusted into the guns as Russian maintenance was terrible. Like the American cruiser she was 'put out of her misery' and scrapped on her return.
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Loaning a ship named Royal Sovereign to a communist state seems a true slap in the face. Or a classic case of understated irony.
Royal Sovereign was renamed Arkhangelsk, while in Soviet service.
Always loved the Omaha. You should consider doing a vid on the battle of the virginia capes. One of my favorites
"... mercifully put out of its misery in 1949." AGREED! Yes Drach, some ships should be put down metaphorically or literally!:-) 😀🖖
Hey Drach, would a overview of the Des Moines class of cruiser be possible, or is it a bit too modern?
Yet another capable class that entered service after it was pointless and conceptually out of date.
At 2:46 are those flags ALL Juliet Charlie ????? (AKA detonation flags)
I wonder what the officer thought when they first see Milwaukee upon her return from USSR.
(In my head I picture an officer that served aboard the Pittsburg, completely speechless because he thought he saw it all until he saw Miwaukee)
I wonder if the condition of the Milwaukee on her return from the Soviets was intentional. But I doubt it.
@@mpetersen6 I doubt they were actively trying to break the ship down, but I don't think they would've cared enough to do much of anything
::Self-thought:: "I really have an interest in the Omaha-class CL, I hope Drach does a video on it one day". The next day...
Minelayers please, Welshman, Manxman etc
Those aren't just any minelayers, they are ships that other minelayers dream they can grow up to be.
Very much enjoy your videos, thank you so much for all the time and effort they take! Have you ever done a video about the original New York ACR-2? I discovered an old plate with her picture on it when I was cleaning out a kitchen cabinet, and have no idea where it came from!
USS Bergall vs IJN Myoko & Ushio, please. While not a fleet action, there's plenty of drama and "you got away with what?" on both sides, with damage control factoring in for both sides afterwards.
"These ships had a lot of guns, this is the US after all..." that made me gasping from the laughs
Was there ever a video done on the Junyo and Hiyo? They were converted by the Japanese to carriers from civilian passenger liners.
I don't know what it is, maybe the stacks and the straight lines, but I love cruisers (especially light cruisers) from 1905-WW1/just post WW1. Omaha's a little too "modern" for my taste but she's close. Personally I love the cruisers with lines like the Indefatigable. I know most people have that aesthetic but I love it.
I was looking at the Brooklyn class cruisers and noticed it took up to 8 years before they were commissioned from order date. I assume the stock market crash in 1929 slowed construction a wee bit.
Herbert Hoover ordered a halt in all US naval construction from 1929-33. It took FDR a year to begin construction when he started using WPA & NRA funds to build naval vessels.
Could you do a Rum Ration episode on the newsreel footage used in the intro? I'd love to see more of the heavy battleships coming toward the camera, etc. Hopefully with comments on how reliant they were on the signal lamps, how widespread was the viewership of the newsreels, whatever comes up.
Omaha in Wows: Oh no, please not hurt my citadel.
Omaha in WT: Haha full front 6guns
Ah, the OMAHAs; aka CLEMSONs on steroids!! In my opinion (tastes may vary), they were good looking ships in their As Commissioned configuration.
omaha was my fist love in wows back in the day when there was only ijn and us navy and the game wasnt ruined by wg
Question: What ship is in the background at 1:15?
Right in time for my diner! Thank you!
I would love a video about Algerie
Please, have you covered the Giulio Cesare/Novorossisk already?
Happy Halloween!
“Floating devastating strike target”
I like the irony of the US using landlocked regions, cities, etc for the names of ships and/or their classes. Omaha is in the dead center of the continental US, Arizona is a desert state, we've had 3 ships bearing the name USS Denver and Denver is as far above sea level as it gets in America.
Denali ain't a molehill. BTW, I've climbed the highest peak in every state in the lower 48, including Florida's fearsome 345 foot Britton Hill. Even Kansas has a higher hill (When I was stationed at Ft Riley, I had a rather well endowed girlfriend who owned a T-Shirt that read, "Not Everything In Kansas Is Flat"
Another question: Why are the masts so high, with so many yardarms? It looks like the Navy wanted auxiliary sail power in emergencies. :-)
lovely class
Yay, the audio balance on the intro is back :D
Add the Des Moine class heavy cruiser to the ship list pls.
I second that. Growing up,it was what i came to believe was the best looking fighting ship out there. Still do
holy hell, this WAS five minutes, more or less!
Every time he mentioned a new armament my "Whyyyy" got louder.
Why is the last seamount in the Emperor Seamount chain named for USS Detroit?
When fighting the United States, it's not the Navy we have, it's the Navy we're going to have!