If the Japanese had realized that the USN had run out of cruisers after First Guadalcanal and would be forced to send battleships the next time they tried to make a run down the Slot, how would they respond?
Q&A: why do some people looking from the bow view think that the Gneisenau is the Bismarck I saw a photo of Gneisenau in 1939 in Kiel and person defended vehemently that it was Bismarck not Gneisenau which I find kind of silly?
if the Bismarck broken out into the Atlantic after fighting the battle of the Denmark straight what type of measures would the British take with their convoy escorts how much damage with the Bismarck and flicked on Atlantic shipping and what type scram of battles the Bismarck fight 165
Small correction, DeLaval are not french despite the name, its a Swedish company famous for their milk separators and turbines, Penhoët on the other hand is, and provided the boilers
And the Delavel nozzle is a huge today in rocketry as what most people think of as a rocket engine. It originally got its start in steam turbines, which tracks fairly well with them producing high power steam machinery.
Funny thing is I can totally see the connection between milk separators and turbines. I've used enough centrifuges in my life to get understand spinny things. Fun fact, once was there to witness a 5 lbs rotor come off its spindle at 5,600 Gs Thank god the housing of that centrifuge was built like a tank. The sound was like a bomb going off. It had people coming running from 3 floors away thinking someone just killed themselves. Also, this was not my fault and I had nothing to do with it. It was a visiting researcher who didn't follow procedure correctly.
@@EricDKaufmanOh yeah. I work in a centrifugal foundry, and when things go wrong it's always exciting. We don't spin stuff that fast but our shit is heavy and liquid metal. Peacocking nickel steel after a cover leaks is a special kind of fun.
Thank you for making a video about my dad's ship. She was a fine ship. Fortunately he was on shore leave when the Hårsfjärden accident where she sunk happened. After that incident he got transferred to the cruiser HMS Gotland. Thank you for making a previous video about her as well.
Mining the archipelago regions were mainly a task for the costal artillery and the naval auxiliaries. Destroyers and other large mine carrying ships were used to lay the outer minefields in the Baltic and to deploy emergency minefields in the case of war to restrict the movement of an enemy naval force.
One could imagine the absolute fright something like a Kriegsmarine destroyer would have got, cutting a few miles off it's run via Swedish waters, coming thru the mists to see one of their big gun ships and not knowing whether or not right in front of them was a minefield.....
Keeping those thoughts in mind, makes you look at coming all this way to hide the Scharnhorst in this area with a little different context. Just to get to the fjords had to be treacherous with all those ambitious destroyers popping mines like pez dispensers willy nilly. Doesn't sound friendly at all.
@@emjackson2289Three German transports were sunk after accidentally going into a Swedish minefield laid by a sistership of Göteborg in 1941. Look up Östbysänkningarna
@emjackson2289 Cutting through Swedish waters into a minefield was pretty much how 3 German auxiliary cruisers/minelayers sank themselves in 1941. Tannenberg, Preussen and Hansestadt Danzig ignored Swedish signals and calmly calmly sank themselves on the Swedish mines.
The modified destroyers were, as stated, equipped with 4 40/48-Bofors guns on a single platform behind the bridge. To manage the stability issues involved the ships were given "sponsons" (or bulges perhapts) in order to give them more beam and stability. Many thanks for publishing a swedish ship as subject for one of your videos. No comments on pronunciatoin, (did I spell that right?).
I just LOVE the opening music! It makes me feel like I’m part of the crew leaving port for yet another adventure! And I really like the cartoon face of the sailor and reminds me of around early 1900’s.
39 knots is flying. its hard for most of us to grasp how fast this is at sea over 72 kilometers an hour may not sound like a lot to us but 40 knots an hour is the equivalent of the speed of sound at sea. These were, and still are... super-sonic ships.
@@GorduzBackstabber You didn't read the word "equivalent", or didn't understand the rather significant part of the comments meaning which it carries. The comment does not claim that the ships travelled at super-sonic speeds, but at speeds which are comparable _in effort_ , to aircrafts flying super-sonic.
One of my grandfather's brothers served on the Norrköping. Based on his stories the ships were well liked among the sailors though everyone aboard dreaded the final convoys before the Baltic froze in the winter. According to him the Norrköping made 40 knots on trial and supposedly got up to 41 knots when dashing after a suspected soviet submarine.
1,200 tones. Adequate guns, depth charges and mines (for its size). 6X21 inch torpedo tubes. Plus a 39 knot top speed! Pretty handy boats, imho. Thank you for this.
The Swedish Navy from WW1 to today is a very interesting topic. Maintaining a strong deterrent force while also maintaining neutrality is a tough line for any nation, but in the confines of the Baltic? wow.
Gåvle being used for initial steam generation for a nuclear power station feels a lot more constructive than all the ships used as targets for nuclear bombs during the Able and Baker tests I have to say.
Gåvle joined the USS Lexington as becoming a power provider to a land utility (the Lexington provided 20 megawatts of electrical power to Tacoma, Washington, for 12 hours per day, for a month, from mid-December 1929 to mid-January 1930). An unrelated question about steam boilers - could they have been used to provide steam, via hoses on deck, to help keep ship turrets and suchlike free of ice? And if so, how many extra boilers would have been needed at the Battle of the North Cape?
The Hårsfjärden disaster is an interesting subject. It was officially concluded that sabotage probably was the reason, and as always, the speculations went far and wide.
@@thomasstromoy3037 Most likely Soviet, there was a communist sabotage organisation headed by Ernst Wollweber active in Sweden at the time. Post war Wollweber would become the head of the East German Stasi before losing out in an internal power struggle in the late 1950s. N The other possibility are the British, assistant military attache Malcom Munthe hastily left Sweden earlier that year as he was about to be expelled for his and his organisations involvement in the destruction of a train loaded with explosives and munitions. It could be that his leaderless group conducted the sabotage of Göteborg without sanction. Regardless of the nation behind the sabotage it did constitute an act of war which is likely why the Swedish inquiry did not name a suspect nation and why there was a considerable amount of unusual secrecy involved even in the post war period. There is of course the possibility that the whole sabotage theory was false and a way to hide that the tragic event was caused by the an aircraft accidentally dropping a practice bomb while passing over the naval station during an exercise. However if that had happened it would have been hard to hide, someone would have talked if not during the war then after it due to the larger number of people who would have been aware that something went wrong.
All ships except Göteborg had some or all of their 12 cm guns dismounted from the ships at decomission and moved to northern Sweden/Lappland to be fixed army batteries. Placed there between 1967 and 1987. One of Norrköpings guns (nr 28) is preserved outside the small town of Junusuando. All three of Kalmar's guns are preserved Rödberget fortress in Boden, one mounted in fortress turret and two in original protection. More on the history of fixed guns in northern Sweden in the book "Fast Försvar av Nordkalotten".
Oh, do "KNM Stord"! Also, the Gunboat war, in which small craft desperately try to stop the unstoppable force of the British navy, including the almost animé-esque evisceration of the last Danish-Norwegian frigate, "Najaden" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_War 🫡💯🤩
Very informative as always. Just a couple of small things: Norrköping is pronounced "Norr(sh)öping" and literally translates as "Northshire". Gävle is pronounced "(J)ävle" And despite the name, De Laval is actually a swedish company, not french. Penhoët is french though.
No, just no... "Gävle" is pronounced roughly "YEAH-vluh". "Norrköping" is pronounced something like "NAW-shur-PING" (BrE or any other non-rhotic accent - doesn't work for rhotic accents). It means "northern market town", not "northshire".
@@JossWainwright No, not at all. "Köping" means "market town". It was a type of trading privilege or status that could be bestowed upon a town. The word is certainly closely related to "köpa" ("to buy"), but it doesn't refer to the act of buying itself. And "norr" in this instance doesn't mean "north", but rather "northern". "Nord" would be "north".
This Torpedoboat with ambitious was a variable solution for a small Navy. The similar construction of the German T22 Class improves it instead of the allies Destroyer Escort because of Speed, Torpedos and Minelaying.
This building is known as "the old mast crane" at Karlskrona dock yard. The crane was used to lift masts on and off sailing ships that were lid up in the drydocks. The crane was built 1803-1806, the building has 6 floors and stands 42 meters tall. The mechanism is a twin treadmill machinery wich takes up two entire floors and would be powered by a team of up to 96 men. The machinery is still inside the crane. It was used until 1960, (so I assume they must have converted it to steam power and later electric power before it was de-commisdioned.) The building was recognized as being of particular historical significance in 1969 and has a protected status. (Source: wikipedia, swedish)
I'm pretty sure we mined from shiös boats in ww2 you need that accuracy when making exact minefields in the archipelago. The modified town class is often lumped in with these as they where just a smaller iterative improvement.
I would guess Malmö harbour but the building in the background says: "Niederlandiches Ford automobiel fabriek." So I guess it is the Ford automobile factory in the Netherlands.
How about doing a review on the US Coast Guard 327 class high endurance cutters . They were built before WW2 and served until about 1980 . I think you'll be surprised by what you find .
That's impressive. I thought the relationship between English pronunciation and the written form was becoming distant, like a step-half-third cousin twice removed.
@@hazchemel you can get *close* to most swedish pronunciation with english phonemes but these are "good enough" aproximations rather than something that will make people think you know swedish. Swedish also carries a lot of meaning in how you emphasise syllables which is a bit more subtle than I can capture in a yt comment.
Nice one as usual Drach, but on a point of pronunciation, the K in Norrkoping is pronounced as a SH sound, so the ships name is pronounced Norshoping. I was there last year.
Oh my, Drach butchering my home town’s name was a blast! I don’t blame him! 😂 Didn’t there where Naval ship with that name, thou I know there where a torpedo boat class named after the town, Norrköping.
4:02 Well if someone made a mine that could be disassembled into smaller parts, those parts could then be carried by boats (to be reassebled if needed)😂
@@garychisholm2174In the right circumstances, mines can even disassemble _themselves_ into many very small parts. Hopefully, Mrs Drach will not add this feat to her repertoire of mine impersonation skills.
when i was in the navy -89 to -91 we acutaly had small mines that looked like a miniature stubba flying wing.About 40kg heavy if memory serves. They were designed to be dropped from trucks, smal boats ect and glide from the drop point to the bottom (think they had abotu a 20:1 glidenumber) so we cound drop mines from anything larger than a SMALL rowing boat :) dont remember the name unfortunately and cant find anything on the webb.
This video sadly lacked any information on the galleys of these ships, and the master cooks who manned them. Did they, for instance, have knives being tossed around during preparation, or food that was unnervingly sentient?
Here's a pronounciation guide for the curious. :P Pronounciations: - Göteborg - Yuuhhh-teh-borh-iy - Stockholm - Ehhh, close enough as it is. :P - Malmö - Malm-uuhhh - Karlskrona - Karls-krooooo-na - Norrköping - Norrrr-shuuhhh-ping - Gävle - YEAH!!!-vleh
Details: - Both G's in Göteborg are both pronounced as consonant Y. - The ö in Göteborg, Malmö and Norrköping is pronounced as if someone told you something weird and you go "-->uuhhh
You say 120mm dp guns. Where they dual purpose in the way the Tribal's guns were or real dual purpose, i.e. Able to protect only nearby ships or able to protect their own ship?
You should make a video about the Swedish HMS Halland-class destroyers, the HMS Småland is a museum in Gothenburg. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halland-class_destroyer
As I swede I am always both amused and deeply horrified at non-Nordic foreigners trying to pronounce our shit and places. You get a B for a better than most attempt at speaking our particular brand of moon-speak though. Keep up the lovely work, and thanks for at least being so gracious as to call our "destroyers" during the 1920's as something a kind as "torpedo boats with ambitions", would probably myself have referred to them as "baby-destroyers with disproportionate disillusions of grandeur". ;-)
Gävle is pronounced closer to Jävle, with the "Gä" sounding roughly like the Yea in "yeah". While Norrköping, pronounce the "k" as a "ch"-sound and with the "ö" long. Prounounce the "p" as you would in Xi Ping.
I have an idea.....I'm retired ad have lots if time to spare....why not give all your Thunder Child stuff to the Aussie modeler ad ask him to create a model?
12cm m/24 pieces installed on the Skjöld- and Klas classes could apparently elevate to 45°, so those at least was duel purpose. I don't know if it is also true on the Goteborg classes.
@Niels_Larsen - 45-deg is hardly _dual-purpose_ and doesn't mean squat anyway if there isn't a high-speed, high-angle fire control system that can actually aim the guns and anything more than a low-flying hot air balloon.
The Gävle isn't pronounced with a hard G, it's a soft G, just like the G in Göteborg. For Gävle it'd probably be easiest to pronounce as Yeavle for a non-Swedish speaker.
In Norrköping, the k is pronounced as "sch": Norrschöping. In Gävle, the g is pronounced as "j": Jävle. Let's not go into how ö and ä is pronounced today...
Pinned post for Q&A :)
If the Japanese had realized that the USN had run out of cruisers after First Guadalcanal and would be forced to send battleships the next time they tried to make a run down the Slot, how would they respond?
Q&A: why do some people looking from the bow view think that the Gneisenau is the Bismarck I saw a photo of Gneisenau in 1939 in Kiel and person defended vehemently that it was Bismarck not Gneisenau which I find kind of silly?
What Is a question drach wants to answer but has yet to be asked (Its a wildcard drach)
@@williampotts4404 What is the speed of a Type 93 torpedo laden with coconuts? (hope you get the reference/joke...)
if the Bismarck broken out into the Atlantic after fighting the battle of the Denmark straight what type of measures would the British take with their convoy escorts how much damage with the Bismarck and flicked on Atlantic shipping and what type scram of battles the Bismarck fight 165
"Torpedo boats with ambition" that's a new one
Yes, a lovely turn of phrase!
Does that ambition include teleportation technology from Japanese water to the Baltic ?
@@toveychurchill6468I thought the ambition was to catch shoals of herring.
Kamchatka will be terrified!
Fellas, I think we need to stock up on Binoculars.
Small correction, DeLaval are not french despite the name, its a Swedish company famous for their milk separators and turbines, Penhoët on the other hand is, and provided the boilers
😂
And the Delavel nozzle is a huge today in rocketry as what most people think of as a rocket engine. It originally got its start in steam turbines, which tracks fairly well with them producing high power steam machinery.
Funny thing is I can totally see the connection between milk separators and turbines. I've used enough centrifuges in my life to get understand spinny things. Fun fact, once was there to witness a 5 lbs rotor come off its spindle at 5,600 Gs Thank god the housing of that centrifuge was built like a tank. The sound was like a bomb going off. It had people coming running from 3 floors away thinking someone just killed themselves. Also, this was not my fault and I had nothing to do with it. It was a visiting researcher who didn't follow procedure correctly.
@@EricDKaufmanOh yeah. I work in a centrifugal foundry, and when things go wrong it's always exciting. We don't spin stuff that fast but our shit is heavy and liquid metal. Peacocking nickel steel after a cover leaks is a special kind of fun.
It was also once a huge industrial concern that made literally everything.
Torpedo boats with ambitions being far superior to corvettes with delusions of grandeur.
Thank you for making a video about my dad's ship. She was a fine ship. Fortunately he was on shore leave when the Hårsfjärden accident where she sunk happened. After that incident he got transferred to the cruiser HMS Gotland. Thank you for making a previous video about her as well.
Considering the layers of islands and shoals around Sweden, the mine load is really frightening.
Mining the archipelago regions were mainly a task for the costal artillery and the naval auxiliaries. Destroyers and other large mine carrying ships were used to lay the outer minefields in the Baltic and to deploy emergency minefields in the case of war to restrict the movement of an enemy naval force.
One could imagine the absolute fright something like a Kriegsmarine destroyer would have got, cutting a few miles off it's run via Swedish waters, coming thru the mists to see one of their big gun ships and not knowing whether or not right in front of them was a minefield.....
Keeping those thoughts in mind, makes you look at coming all this way to hide the Scharnhorst in this area with a little different context. Just to get to the fjords had to be treacherous with all those ambitious destroyers popping mines like pez dispensers willy nilly. Doesn't sound friendly at all.
@@emjackson2289Three German transports were sunk after accidentally going into a Swedish minefield laid by a sistership of Göteborg in 1941. Look up Östbysänkningarna
@emjackson2289 Cutting through Swedish waters into a minefield was pretty much how 3 German auxiliary cruisers/minelayers sank themselves in 1941. Tannenberg, Preussen and Hansestadt Danzig ignored Swedish signals and calmly calmly sank themselves on the Swedish mines.
Swedish navy! Finally, really appreciate that you are taking your time with the smaller navies!
The modified destroyers were, as stated, equipped with 4 40/48-Bofors guns on a single platform behind the bridge. To manage the stability issues involved the ships were given "sponsons" (or bulges perhapts) in order to give them more beam and stability.
Many thanks for publishing a swedish ship as subject for one of your videos. No comments on pronunciatoin, (did I spell that right?).
Naw, got a typo, reversed that final "io".
I just LOVE the opening music! It makes me feel like I’m part of the crew leaving port for yet another adventure! And I really like the cartoon face of the sailor and reminds me of around early 1900’s.
Many alen keys and several small integral but yet somehow unnecessary parts were lost to bring us these ships.
Never can Sweden be mentioned without someone dropping that joke.
They weren't very stealthy though, on account of the fact that you couldn't switch the lights off...
39 knots is flying. its hard for most of us to grasp how fast this is at sea over 72 kilometers an hour may not sound like a lot to us but 40 knots an hour is the equivalent of the speed of sound at sea. These were, and still are... super-sonic ships.
BS: speed of sound in water is 1500 m/s or about 3000 knots.
@@GorduzBackstabber *Wooosh*
@@GorduzBackstabber What was a noticeable feature of the 'speed of sound barrier' in this era: it was difficult and scary to breach.
@@GorduzBackstabber don't be a Klugscheißer.
im a poet Jim, not a mathematician.
@@GorduzBackstabber You didn't read the word "equivalent", or didn't understand the rather significant part of the comments meaning which it carries.
The comment does not claim that the ships travelled at super-sonic speeds, but at speeds which are comparable _in effort_ , to aircrafts flying super-sonic.
One of my grandfather's brothers served on the Norrköping. Based on his stories the ships were well liked among the sailors though everyone aboard dreaded the final convoys before the Baltic froze in the winter. According to him the Norrköping made 40 knots on trial and supposedly got up to 41 knots when dashing after a suspected soviet submarine.
1,200 tones.
Adequate guns, depth charges and mines (for its size).
6X21 inch torpedo tubes.
Plus a 39 knot top speed!
Pretty handy boats, imho.
Thank you for this.
Nice to see a video on a lesser known but important navy.
The Swedish Navy from WW1 to today is a very interesting topic. Maintaining a strong deterrent force while also maintaining neutrality is a tough line for any nation, but in the confines of the Baltic? wow.
Good morning all.
The single 120mm gun is a surprisingly modern look.
Thank You.
Queen Anne's Mansions: "Who's the daddy?" Göteborg class: "Hold our Akvavit!"
Well designed and very practical ships. How very Swedish.
Gåvle being used for initial steam generation for a nuclear power station feels a lot more constructive than all the ships used as targets for nuclear bombs during the Able and Baker tests I have to say.
Gåvle joined the USS Lexington as becoming a power provider to a land utility (the Lexington provided 20 megawatts of electrical power to Tacoma, Washington, for 12 hours per day, for a month, from mid-December 1929 to mid-January 1930).
An unrelated question about steam boilers - could they have been used to provide steam, via hoses on deck, to help keep ship turrets and suchlike free of ice? And if so, how many extra boilers would have been needed at the Battle of the North Cape?
@@tcpratt1660 @emjackson2289 Are you guys sure it's not "Gävle"?
The Hårsfjärden disaster is an interesting subject. It was officially concluded that sabotage probably was the reason, and as always, the speculations went far and wide.
German saboteurs to blackmail Sweden to keep supporting them..?
@@thomasstromoy3037 Most likely Soviet, there was a communist sabotage organisation headed by Ernst Wollweber active in Sweden at the time. Post war Wollweber would become the head of the East German Stasi before losing out in an internal power struggle in the late 1950s.
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The other possibility are the British, assistant military attache Malcom Munthe hastily left Sweden earlier that year as he was about to be expelled for his and his organisations involvement in the destruction of a train loaded with explosives and munitions. It could be that his leaderless group conducted the sabotage of Göteborg without sanction.
Regardless of the nation behind the sabotage it did constitute an act of war which is likely why the Swedish inquiry did not name a suspect nation and why there was a considerable amount of unusual secrecy involved even in the post war period.
There is of course the possibility that the whole sabotage theory was false and a way to hide that the tragic event was caused by the an aircraft accidentally dropping a practice bomb while passing over the naval station during an exercise. However if that had happened it would have been hard to hide, someone would have talked if not during the war then after it due to the larger number of people who would have been aware that something went wrong.
Thanks!
Well made video as always Drach, though your pronunciation of Norrköping and Gävle could use some work (swedish is difficult sometimes 😅)
All ships except Göteborg had some or all of their 12 cm guns dismounted from the ships at decomission and moved to northern Sweden/Lappland to be fixed army batteries. Placed there between 1967 and 1987.
One of Norrköpings guns (nr 28) is preserved outside the small town of Junusuando. All three of Kalmar's guns are preserved Rödberget fortress in Boden, one mounted in fortress turret and two in original protection.
More on the history of fixed guns in northern Sweden in the book "Fast Försvar av Nordkalotten".
Interesting how these were going to be known as the Town class while having a superstructure that heavily resembles the one on the Town class cruisers
Wounderful seeing Swedish ships here
Thanks Drach
These finally have the look of a destroyer.
Top shelf content.
....these were not _Escort_ ships.
At about 1.38, now that's a cool picture.
Good video. Wonder if you could do a post on the Norwegian torpedo boats.
Oh, do "KNM Stord"!
Also, the Gunboat war, in which small craft desperately try to stop the unstoppable force of the British navy, including the almost animé-esque evisceration of the last Danish-Norwegian frigate, "Najaden" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_War
🫡💯🤩
Other than the pronunciation of Norrköping(Norrchöping) this video was awesome!
Fantastic set of photos
Very informative as always. Just a couple of small things:
Norrköping is pronounced "Norr(sh)öping" and literally translates as "Northshire".
Gävle is pronounced "(J)ävle"
And despite the name, De Laval is actually a swedish company, not french. Penhoët is french though.
No, just no...
"Gävle" is pronounced roughly "YEAH-vluh".
"Norrköping" is pronounced something like "NAW-shur-PING" (BrE or any other non-rhotic accent - doesn't work for rhotic accents). It means "northern market town", not "northshire".
@@mytube001 and Göteborg is pronounced "yotebory". Enjoyed the video otherwise.
@@JossWainwright No, not at all. "Köping" means "market town". It was a type of trading privilege or status that could be bestowed upon a town. The word is certainly closely related to "köpa" ("to buy"), but it doesn't refer to the act of buying itself.
And "norr" in this instance doesn't mean "north", but rather "northern". "Nord" would be "north".
@@mytube001As in "northern market"?
@@sfjuhispst8144 More like Chipping Norton, which means the same thing.
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I was scrapped in 1972, but here I am, enjoying this stuff in 2025. It's all good.
4:30 'Sverige'-class coastal defence ship in the background ?
Yes, specifically Drottning Victoria closest and Gustaf V further away
This Torpedoboat with ambitious was a variable solution for a small Navy. The similar construction of the German T22 Class improves it instead of the allies Destroyer Escort because of Speed, Torpedos and Minelaying.
Arsefjarden! I love it❤ Made me think of Bob Flemming & Clive Tucker😅
Good late evening all. 🇦🇺 ⚓
Enjoy your meal! 🇫🇷😉😋😂
@khaelamensha3624 @khaelamensha3624 Bar snacks only 2330 Saturday at UJ's. You guys speak much better English than Americans lol. ✔️
LCS(L)(3) the Mighty Midgets! Drach, they’re awesome little gunboats at Iwo Jima, Okinawa and more!
An aside: What is that curious building at 4:25?
Coaling bldg.??
Someone asked that in the Q&A. Drach said it was for installing and removing masts on sail ships.
This building is known as "the old mast crane" at Karlskrona dock yard.
The crane was used to lift masts on and off sailing ships that were lid up in the drydocks. The crane was built 1803-1806, the building has 6 floors and stands 42 meters tall. The mechanism is a twin treadmill machinery wich takes up two entire floors and would be powered by a team of up to 96 men.
The machinery is still inside the crane. It was used until 1960, (so I assume they must have converted it to steam power and later electric power before it was de-commisdioned.)
The building was recognized as being of particular historical significance in 1969 and has a protected status.
(Source: wikipedia, swedish)
@@JH-lo9ut I thought it might have something to do with masts but I had no idea it was so important! Thank you!
My mother was from Goteborg,
Fin stad enna.
could you do a video on the USS Carronade, or any of the similar rocket bombardment ships?
6:08 Are those rocket rails on the sides of the front turret?
I saw that and thought 'what? rockets? sams? huh?' I waited for Drach to mention them but...
Yes, a postwar modification added rails for illumination rockets to the turrets of most destroyers.
I'm pretty sure we mined from shiös boats in ww2 you need that accuracy when making exact minefields in the archipelago.
The modified town class is often lumped in with these as they where just a smaller iterative improvement.
Do a review of the sweden class coastal battleship?
Any idea where the last photo was taken? The moveable bridge appears to have either a tramway or a railway on it (you can see the overhead wires).
I would guess Malmö harbour but the building in the background says: "Niederlandiches Ford automobiel fabriek."
So I guess it is the Ford automobile factory in the Netherlands.
@JH-lo9ut thank you!
28 seconds after posting. Nice!
6 min for me.
@@CorePathway10min...so late 😂
I really would like to se your cover the swedish navys development from like 1870 to 1935 ;)
Good looking capable ships. Shame 1 wasn’t saved to visit today.
How about doing a review on the US Coast Guard 327 class high endurance cutters . They were built before WW2 and served until about 1980 . I think you'll be surprised by what you find .
Yo suggestion can you do history of the Romanian Navy
I still want to see you do the USS Mississippi BB-23 and the USS Idaho BB-24.
Gävle is pronounced like Yeah-vleh 😄
And Norrköping norr shuh ping
That's impressive. I thought the relationship between English pronunciation and the written form was becoming distant, like a step-half-third cousin twice removed.
@@hazchemel you can get *close* to most swedish pronunciation with english phonemes but these are "good enough" aproximations rather than something that will make people think you know swedish. Swedish also carries a lot of meaning in how you emphasise syllables which is a bit more subtle than I can capture in a yt comment.
@misterperson3469 yes, I understand your point. Even the alphabet, the dotted letters and so forth, raise the blood pressure a few degrees.
That's wild using a ship as starter motor for a nuclear power plant.
39 knots? Tarnation, son. Who'd be in such a hurry?
I thought only the Takao's had a bulky upper forward superstructure.
Would you like to do a video about the flores class gunboats in ww2? It would make this dutchman very happy.
Let me guess without watching it. 120mm Bofors?
correct 😃
always bofors ;)
A handsome ship...
Steam turbines was patented by Gustav de Laval in 1883. Without connection Parson made steam turbines available in 1884.
The ship seem to have an outward resemblance to the American four stacker, flush deck destroyers. Thanks!
Nice one as usual Drach, but on a point of pronunciation, the K in Norrkoping is pronounced as a SH sound, so the ships name is pronounced Norshoping. I was there last year.
Oh my, Drach butchering my home town’s name was a blast! I don’t blame him! 😂 Didn’t there where Naval ship with that name, thou I know there where a torpedo boat class named after the town, Norrköping.
Saw the intro music in a war thunder add
39 knots hmm you could ski behind that. A lot of people could ski behind that.
4:02 Well if someone made a mine that could be disassembled into smaller parts, those parts could then be carried by boats (to be reassebled if needed)😂
and ofcourse stacked in flatpacks with either one bolt or nut missing or without an essential little tool.. 😁
Mines *can* be disassembled into smaller parts.
Many, many smaller parts.
@@garychisholm2174In the right circumstances, mines can even disassemble _themselves_ into many very small parts. Hopefully, Mrs Drach will not add this feat to her repertoire of mine impersonation skills.
when i was in the navy -89 to -91 we acutaly had small mines that looked like a miniature stubba flying wing.About 40kg heavy if memory serves. They were designed to be dropped from trucks, smal boats ect and glide from the drop point to the bottom (think they had abotu a 20:1 glidenumber) so we cound drop mines from anything larger than a SMALL rowing boat :) dont remember the name unfortunately and cant find anything on the webb.
Do you see torpedo boats?
This video sadly lacked any information on the galleys of these ships, and the master cooks who manned them. Did they, for instance, have knives being tossed around during preparation, or food that was unnervingly sentient?
England (this boat) is my city!
Impressive
Here's a pronounciation guide for the curious. :P
Pronounciations:
- Göteborg - Yuuhhh-teh-borh-iy
- Stockholm - Ehhh, close enough as it is. :P
- Malmö - Malm-uuhhh
- Karlskrona - Karls-krooooo-na
- Norrköping - Norrrr-shuuhhh-ping
- Gävle - YEAH!!!-vleh
Details:
- Both G's in Göteborg are both pronounced as consonant Y.
- The ö in Göteborg, Malmö and Norrköping is pronounced as if someone told you something weird and you go "-->uuhhh
You say 120mm dp guns. Where they dual purpose in the way the Tribal's guns were or real dual purpose, i.e. Able to protect only nearby ships or able to protect their own ship?
More like the Tribals as the 120mm m/24c could only elevate to 40 degrees. A true 120mm dp gun was only introduced with the m/44 gun and mount.
@@Vonstab Thanks.
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Gävle är jävla svårt att uttala för en engelsman.
Gävle is bloody hard to pronounciate for an Englishman.
@staffanalinder1592 no shit man därav tipset. Duuuh.(😆)
You should make a video about the Swedish HMS Halland-class destroyers, the HMS Småland is a museum in Gothenburg.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halland-class_destroyer
Drach was in gothenburg this summer so that will come :)
Göteborg - Yette-berr-gh
Stockholm
Malmö - Mahl-meh
Karlskrona
Norrköping - Nohr-sheh-ping (Emphasis on the "sheh")
Gävle - Yeah-vleh
Saturday night Part II.
Swedish Navy in WW2...That's one of those jobs that is completely fine until it isn't.
As I swede I am always both amused and deeply horrified at non-Nordic foreigners trying to pronounce our shit and places. You get a B for a better than most attempt at speaking our particular brand of moon-speak though. Keep up the lovely work, and thanks for at least being so gracious as to call our "destroyers" during the 1920's as something a kind as "torpedo boats with ambitions", would probably myself have referred to them as "baby-destroyers with disproportionate disillusions of grandeur". ;-)
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Gävle is pronounced closer to Jävle, with the "Gä" sounding roughly like the Yea in "yeah".
While Norrköping, pronounce the "k" as a "ch"-sound and with the "ö" long. Prounounce the "p" as you would in Xi Ping.
I have an idea.....I'm retired ad have lots if time to spare....why not give all your Thunder Child stuff to the Aussie modeler ad ask him to create a model?
More like HSwMS Goatedborg
Gävle is pronounced something like yeah-vle
Zeplines the future tis in Zeplines!
Hey Drach. Are you sure those cannons are Duel purpose, and are not confusing them with later 120mm bofors?
I believe the elevation limit was 30-deg so not dual purpose.
12cm m/24 pieces installed on the Skjöld- and Klas classes could apparently elevate to 45°, so those at least was duel purpose. I don't know if it is also true on the Goteborg classes.
@Niels_Larsen - 45-deg is hardly _dual-purpose_ and doesn't mean squat anyway if there isn't a high-speed, high-angle fire control system that can actually aim the guns and anything more than a low-flying hot air balloon.
GÖTEBORG PRONOUNCED = YERTERBOREE :)
GÄVLE PRONOUNCED YEVLER :)
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So THAT'S how Swedish place names are pronounced 😅😅
Cool, it feels like a while since we got any Swedish ships.
Maybe these could have performed impressively had they ever seen action.
The Gävle isn't pronounced with a hard G, it's a soft G, just like the G in Göteborg. For Gävle it'd probably be easiest to pronounce as Yeavle for a non-Swedish speaker.
Gävle = "yeah-vleh" more or less. :)
Norrkoping is pronounced nothing like that. I’m not going to attempt a correction
Göteborg
In Norrköping, the k is pronounced as "sch": Norrschöping. In Gävle, the g is pronounced as "j": Jävle. Let's not go into how ö and ä is pronounced today...
Ö is clearly pronounced like the "U" in "Bruh" 😂
Norschöpping
Gävle = yea-vle I guess
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