I like the interpretation of what the Heretics (at least some of them) value about their service. A narcissistic "I'm the soecial one" love of themselves and their masters is both a neat inverted version of the Abrahamic faiths, and an explanation of why the Heretics are so loyal to such openly cruel masters. They believe that they may be the unique individual chosen and blessed by their own inner value and strength, and so they alone won't be preyed on and betrayed. It's the most malign expression of faith.
Spot on, in my view. A suicidal egotism. This is also expressed in the (out of print) Slaves to Darkness Warhammer books. Even the nominally successful are little more than a grotesque parody of themselves. A mere franchise holder for their Patron Power.
Poor guy, he got played like a fiddle. He's delusional if he thinks that minor act of betrayal and his ineffectual preaching will net him power and prestige in hell. At best, he'll be turned into a hellspawn foot soldier to be sent back to the war he wished to leave. At worst, well, that demon could easily think of worse fates than my mere mortal mind.
I'd say he already is in the worst fate imaginable. He willingly walked into New Antioch and started spouting heresy, and with his seemingly undying body, is now at the whims of the incredibly brutal church of Trench Crusade. Who knows what kind of horrific shit they'll do to him to find the extent of his immortality. He already had his tendons cut and they weren't mentioned to have healed. Bro got absolutely hoodwinked.
From what I've see, the problem was that it was the sheer cynicism of war is what eroded the faith of the templars, and while the cynicism is true, the lies of the devil led them astray. If the templars used this cynicism to also see that the devil is not a better master than god, then all of this could be avoided...
The problem is that would require abandoning hope of there being love and salvation at all, after all if not even the devil can provide it, who else is there? What's scarier, the lies of the devil, or the knowledge that there is no ultimate reward? That your past deeds do not have any intrinsic value and there is no authority to grant you what you truly desire.
@@fluxtheory3136 and that is the problem: you believe that your existence "grants" you "purpose". What is the other option beyond "existence"? Besides, tools have "purpose" - and Humans are NOT TOOLS.
@@Jamhael1 I'm simply writing from the perspective of someone in-universe. Whether we like it or not, people who we would call prophets, zealots or crusaders are what they are because have no doubts in their sense of purpose. Their purpose is provides the fuel for their inner fire which the vast majority lack, and to survive in the universe of trench crusade a sense of purpose is simply not optional, but a pre-requisite to survival. Modern atheists or humanists like us are internally very hollow. There is no spiritual "fat" to buttress against extreme levels of hardship and suffering. Think about how quickly you yourself will break after having nails driven into your shins during an interrogation. In such a world, whether you stand with the Creator or with the forces of Hell, when your survival is determined by your devotion or fanaticism, those with weak faith are weeded out with extreme prejudice. The person you described who is capable of doubting both heaven and hell does not exist, because he would wind up dead extremely quickly.
Absolutely phenomenal work, man. Delivering it in that epistolic style that you find in Dracula or an SCP entry was the right move. Incredibly well-written and performed.
I love how all of the fall the squad leader gives up to is due to his own lack of faith and perseverance mimicking templars from the story that might also be a knot of lies. Well played demon.
I will say this type of videos, where creators enrich the Trench Crusade lore with their own contributions, only helps to make the game more narrative and gives a sense of human scale to the lore. Like in Warhammer, the lore is there to be respected and followed, but the histories, like Eisenhorn for example, are what truly gives depth and really immerse the player into that universe. This very same thing is what you are doing here, please keep doing it, we will be listening.
I can actually think of an easy practical counter, not a religious one, but a reasonable one for the average person. "And what does Hell offer instead of Heaven? Do you think I'm stupid enough to think that I would instantly become a Prince of Hell for some minor sin of betrayal? After they kill me, I will arrive in Hell, not celebrated, but ridiculed, manipulated and subservient. Just like the mortal world, only far FAR worse. And no, I don't trust your "word" that I will have a place of power in your legion. I'm doubtful, not gullible" "I've seen the horrors your "people" have done on the regular. I know the terrible fates that await those that are in your grasp. Exploitation, dominion, torture, torment, horror, agony, despair. A sea of damned souls all so a few powerful demons can have just that bit more force to backstab each other, despite the constant betrayal being detrimental to the conquest of Earth. You want me to throw away the normal, average, generic but still relatively decent life for one infinitely worse on the small chance it might not be worse? No thanks, demon. God may have made me full of questions and doubt, but thankfully He made me practical enough to see your lies" "Ooooo, I'm just a sheep, a slave" "Better those than being the deluded fool that turned himself into an eternally tortured toy of a prince of Hell"
When I was playing Wrath of the righteous my Knight Commander literally says to a demon offering boons that demons literally always lie and what they offer is fake. It felt good to defy that trope for once by having some common sense.
The preacher was probably consumed by resentment prior to encountering Nabarus. He fell because of his emotions and trauma, not due to the persuasiveness of the demon. You cant really debate with that rationally.
@caad5258 That's certainly true. That long reason isn't really for people overwhelmed by the despair of life. Logic and Heart are both gifts of the Divine, but the Mortal is too imperfect to find the proper balance for both. That is the reasoning I have towards Hell because the Divine saw fit to give me a mind that is focused on reasoning and logic, rather than emotions and faith. It doesn't feel preferable to what is common among humans, frankly it kinda sucks. But I have no choice but to work with the tools the Creator gave to me. I'm just glad they also made it so that I'm not too bitter about it.
The word "heresy" gets used a lot in trench crusade incorrectly Heresy is offering a misinterperetation or twisting holy scripture to suit your worldly ideals or wants. What's being discussed in this setting pure BLASPHEMY Opening a portal to hell is a bit more serious than a philosophical misreading of the bible
I would say that the portal was more a result of the Heresy. A bunch of dudes all out having a merry crusade for God suddenly deciding "you know what, fuck this guy" is the heresy? Religious doctrine would be that God acts through us, and we should have faith in that. Heresy would be them standing around going "You know how kinda kicks ass? We do. Definitely NOT God." Then we get to the Blasphemy.
@xenoblad like "I'm Catholic but I don't think the pope is God's true representative on earth" is heresy "I hate God and stand in clear opposition to Him" is blasphemy
@@someguycalledCh0wdahNo that is apostasy. Apostasy is the renunciation of your faith for something else. Blasphemy is saying something offensive about that religion. For example. If a Christian insulted Islam by making fun of Mohammad they committed blasphemy even if they never believed in that religion to begin with. Apostasy however would be saying "God is dead I am not worshipping him anymore" and then proceeding to worship a demon or whatever.
I did not expect it to go well either but the tone and atmosphere of the story was immaculate and captivating indeed. No intricate plot, no adrenaline and no over grooming of the evil.... It is simplicity at its finest manifestation, one that leaves its listeners with their own sense judgement and benefit of doubt. Experiment successful in my opinion. Would love to hear more honestly. To my acknowledgment, in the arc of the Divine and Unholy, nothing is true and everything is permitted. To that end, I don't see any reason to be held back or left waiting for official lore.
This is what I like about trench crusade, even hell has its enticing reasons, I and I find that more disturbing than just muh evil. Personally I think the church of metamorphosis is the most scary, as the idea of only being able to experience different realms of reality by transforming your body, especially becoming no longer human is top tier nightmare fuel. Maybe a video? 👀👀💅
@@scannerbarkly Well clearly somebody on board with the game should correct that. The pairing of your voice with the slightly unsettling music is perfect.
I think the ritual initiated the opening of the gates, but they had to keep the momentum going for it to fully open and stabilize. which resulted in jerusalem being destroyed. Or the ritual was close to completion to begin with and those final sacrifices was all it took to "break the locks" so to speak. Since it had already a pretty strong influence on those who merely looked at the sphere.
Beautifully done brother. I always find myself chomping at the bit to get more Trench Crusade lore whenever I see it and you never fail to deliver. I will never not crave more from this beautiful new "world" I've found and I'm glad I've found it through you.
This is great stuff most evil and fits well with what we know so far. Also reminds me a bit of Clark ashton smiths works but without the fluffy language. Keep it up it is good.
If Celtic Frost,Clive Barker snd Crowley created a tabletop jam ... crazy,and vey well composed ... all the infernal elements present in abundance... good work...
WOW!!!! I was spell-bound listening to this story. You did an amazing job of both writing and then dramatically reading this incredibly captivating and imaginative story! I am a Warhammer 40k fan because I was drawn to its grim-dark setting, and I have read a vast amount of the Warhammer 40k lore stories. I can say with no hesitation that this story that you have created captures the deep horror and despair of the grim-dark better than any of the Warhammer 40k stories that I have ever read. The subtly disturbing sound track also added to the sense of dread as you artfully unveiled the story. You are extremely talented, and I am very glad to have discovered your channel! Well done!!!
God not intervening in the lives of mortals is kind of his schtick. He sends hardships to make you stronger and better, a harsh parent, but it's harshness borne of love.
In our world. In Trench Crusade He performs miracles through Clerics, the Observers hear His voice and He keeps them safe, etc. The character would have seen plenty of incidents that he could interpret as God acting directly through others, but never through him.
mostly cause god knows about human game theory. which basically is the idea that if the lord gave humans everything they asked for theyd do what ever he said for the reward and not because they agree or undersand morally gods teachings. like in videos games if you give someone a instant win button they will alwaus use it even if it hurts there experince.
The kind of parenting that creates tyrants & mass murderers. Have any of you seem that AWESOME short horror film on UA-cam "Portrait of God"? Phenomenal. No jump scares, nothing cheap. Just an angle I certainly wouldn't have initially thought of, and one that Trench Crusade seems to be nailing....what, with the Meta-Christ clones and whatnot. If Biblically accurate angels are anything to go by...for these things...even the "good ones" to exist, they'd likely be terrifying beyond all mortal reckoning.
@scannerbarkly I heard there are snipers whose buff is that they somehow could hear the voice of God, who in effect acts as their "spotter". Trade off is, they're all half mad, and can never sleep naturally again.
Honestly, the more I think about it, i get the impression that God isn't speaking to anyone in this setting. Rather, the Devil is just absolutely cackaling with triumph as he plays Man like a fiddle.
I mean, this is the Catholic church triumphant without ever being reformed due to the counter reformation. To half of Christianity that isn't Catholic this basically is their worst nightmare.
@@ethanduncan1646 As someone raised in the Catholic Church, the bit of Trench Crusade that interests me the most is the Doctrine of the Meta Christ. The Body and the Blood of Christ already play a central role in the Catholic Mass, with Communion being one of the three major steps in becoming a full member of the Church and being the one which is repeated at every mass, roughly halfway through. The idea that the Church has taken the Body and Blood from being a representative deal using bread and wine that have been blessed to being the actual flesh and blood of a clone of Jesus is a fascinating bit of world building.
Beautifully done story and I'm so pumped to hear more lore from TC! Thanks for all the work you're doing. I hope you write more like this! On an audio note (I'm a sound engineer), Idk what program you use to record your voiceover in, but if you use Adobe Audition there are lots of easy tools to remove those pesky mouth noises (swallows, dry tongue sounds, etc.). Most DAWs offer Declickers, Noise Reduction, etc. and you can easily find video tutorials on how to get rid of those bits. Doesn't bother me too much, but I know some people get very grossed out hearing those things! I'd be happy to show you the ropes if you're interested. Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I use Audition now and run the Noise Red and Declickers, along with some Limiting and a Little Compression, the a Noise Gate to cut every below a certain level which deals with the breathing. People also just gotta accept that I do have issues with my jaw and it means I talk a certain way, it is what is. If I can live with it then I suspect that they will just need to learn to do so as well. lol
Well, Mr Demon, is answer is so common across fictional versions of Christianity that it's a bit of a cliche. Most notably the Faith of the Seven in Game of Thrones, and most if not all depictions in Anime. The first is simply as people in real world, we must all grapple with the question of why we suffer despite the supposed existence of a loving god, and that's always going to be the most compelling system. 2nd, is that Christian metaphysics is All or Nothing. God is either the Absolute Ruler of the universe whose name can be invoked to instantly banish any lesser supernatural forces; Or he's a fake, a powerless figurehead who's followers somehow replaced every enpowered religion. Trench Crusade takes a common solution to this by giving New Antioch Catholic Flavored Blood Magic, as usual, arguably worse than either the Heretic Legions or Iron Sultanate
I mean, what happened can be entirely your interpretation. The heretics may have been lying. The Lieutenant may have just been weak, and his men were stronger, which is why he turned and they did not.
I can think of an easy practical counter, not a religious one, but a reasonable one for the average person. "And what does Hell offer instead of Heaven? Do you think I'm stupid enough to think that I would instantly become a Prince of Hell for some minor sin of betrayal? After they kill me, I will arrive in Hell, not celebrated, but ridiculed, manipulated and subservient. Just like the mortal world, only far FAR worse." "I've seen the horrors your "people" have done on the regular. I know the terrible fates that await those that are in your grasp. Exploitation, dominion, torment, horror, agony, despair. You want me to throw away the normal, average, generic but still relatively decent life for one infinitely worse on the small chance it might not be worse? No thanks, demon. God may have made me doubtful, but thankfully He made me practical enough to see your lies" "Ooooo, I'm just a sheep, a slave" "Better those than being the deluded fool that turned himself into an eternally tortured toy of a prince of Hell"
My friend your writing is superb! As one of faith and a lover of Cosmic horror I think you nailed the vibe that TC is going for! Please continue to write :) you have a god given talent and clearly are astute in your craft! Peace and love my brother!
Id like to see a faction in this world that seeks to truly erase their own souls. Hells promises are hollow, but they seem to have a point about heaven and God with infinite love that is mostly absent yet will send a soul to be tortured in the worst way imaginable until the end of time for the slightest lapse of faith. Maybe some offshoot of Buddhism. Transcedence through true nothingness.
Might be a dumb question but is this fan-made lore or does this have a basis in what is going to be considered "canon". I mean specifically the parts on the first heresy/sin.
This is just a story that I made up. The point is that the demon could be telling the truth to the Lieutenant, he could be lying. There is no real way for him or the listener to know.
The terrifying part of this is how the author so perfectly captures how demons act. The pervasive whisperings of temptation, pulling man away from a higher purpose and the love of God under the pretense of “freedom”. They then appeal to our passions and our fallen nature, more or less feeding our pride while also causing us to despair of the mercy of God. This also is a great example of how dangerous it is for a man to be deprived of the sacraments, most especially the Holy Eucharist and confession. If they had been apart from the church and a priest to celebrate mass/hear their confessions for months, they surely would have been crushed by the weight of their sin.
Ways i see it, we may never be told what really happened, but heres my 2 cents. Either its something grneric like human sacrifice or they disobaying a direct order from God like how Shaitan refused to bow to Adam. An example would be to not kill the saint that was keeping the gates closed. Like how, during the final siege of Constantinople, The Conqueror was unable to breach the walls because a saint was keeping the city safe. So he prayed, and that saint was lifted up to paradise, thus leaving the city open. Another idea is maybe they begged for penitence as they saw how curropted the Church was and how weak the faith had become. Like in the video game Blasphemous.
Yes! This is what I kinda left in the story. Plenty of room for doubt. Why believe a demon? Why believe Amis? Maybe the Lietenant was just weak? Maybe he was lying to the Church and made the whole thing up? It's fun. lol
I feel bad for the poor monk who was blinded, deafened, and muted all for documenting what the heretic said. Was it somehow a side effect of hearing the heretics words or did New Antioch officials do that to him as a punishment or to keep him from telling anyone else?
Wait i know we're playing loose with history but... The Templar OPrder was established in 1118 specifically to protect pilgrims coming into European-controlled Jerusalem. Having the Templar's conqueror Jerusalem is a bit of a Paradox, since you need Jerusalem to for the Templars to be formed.
I just stumbled upon Trench Crusade so I know nothing, besides that the minis look awesome, god or his agents dont talk to humans nor support them in any shape or form and humanity has not switched side by now? 🤔
I really love this setting, (even as an extremely devout Catholic) it is unfortunate that the setting also inevitably invites some of the most hamfisted theological debate on the internet I think I have ever witnessed. This setting is not attempting to be theologically correct to scripture, it’s a fantasy universe that heavily borrows elements from Judeo-Christianity. Just let something be cool, people. You don’t start donning fedoras and screeching about the God Emperor for 40K, you shouldn’t do so here
Yes they fucking do screech about atheism when it comes to 40k. I have seen neckbeards unironically argue in support of big E's galactic genocide of religion.
That's one the way soon! Just need a little break from the current busy work season, so once the Elden Ring DLC has been out for a week or so, imma dive into them. :)
This one is just a story that I wrote myself, not official lore. You can also find the first in a new series called "Hand of Fate" here - ua-cam.com/video/5uX3LYxnZt0/v-deo.html Part 2 coming soon!
I have a problem with the lore here and that's due to the date. The Templars are described as having sold their souls to Satan and opening the gates of hell in the year 1099... except they couldn't have. The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Knights Templar) were not founded until 1119, 20 years after the fact, and their order only consisted of 10 total knights. It would not be until 1129 that their order grew beyond this due advocacy by saints within the Church. Now, if this had been Crusaders who fell to heresy, this would work, or if the opening of Hell's Gate occurred at least a century later, but instead Templars are once more chosen to be the villains when it doesn't make historical sense.
It's not a historically accurate game, my dude. It's an alternate history. Stuff will happen before or after it happens in real life. Some important historical figures will still exist, and some will not. It's really interesting to me that you can get behind the whole army of hell invading earth thing, but Templars existing and Jerusalem falling a little earlier is apparently not on. lol Woods and trees, my dude.
@@scannerbarkly Alternate History works when it is historically accurate, as it adds layers of intrigue to the story. As I said, had the gates been opened a century later, it would opened more additional lore due to: a.) The Templars being an established military force who already would have ties to the rest of Europe through their banking systems. b.) 1199 being when the Third Crusade Ended, the Crusader Kingdoms were at their weakest, and Richard the Lionheart campaigning in Europe, dying towards the start of this year. c.) Caliph Muhammad al-Nasir ascended the throne of Almohad Caliphate and further expanding Arabic rule through Hispania. I get why 1099 was chosen, as this was when the fall of Jerusalem occurred, but some historical research would add more to the lore. Instead, it's left as something of a clunky starting point for the setting which bugs me as an historian. Oh, I can get behind Hell invading Earth as that can lead to interesting stories, but when set in an historical time period, careful attention to detail can make or break my enjoyment of a setting.
Fair enough but honestly I would assume that some things even before 1099 are different from our timeline, simply because both god and devil seem ti be more outwardly active. After all, the betray does imply that they were different before reaching Jerusalem. So maybe in this timeline the order was founded to "free" the temple instead of that being their first quarter and then adopting the name.
@@Tracer_Krieg We fundamentally disagree on the nature of an alternative timeline. lol The Church in Trench Crusade has a space program, my dude. In 1914. This simply may not be the game for you, and that is fine.
I just noticed on reflection that neither the Antioc soldiers nor the Muslim did anything religious. There was no mention of any or all the soldiers praying at all and the Muslim not giving the proper greeting.
The life of a religious man isn’t about mentioning God and praying every single second. Religious people live as much as they can inside their religions borders
@ShirleyTimple ok dude im s atheist is well but I like when they use the correct terminology in a universe in which theres clearly a supernatural force ruling the setting, so dont use that,makes you look like an asshole edgelord.
@@ShirleyTimple did you even read the comment? Im not offended, my issue was that dont use the correct terminology, im not theist, is a said before im a atheist, youre the edgelord arse atheist, sad.
This also shows you will not enter heaven due to your works but through faith. Christ already did the work he paid the price. How egotistical to think you could impress or work your way into Gods embrace. He ask for your obedience and faith and to claim him before all else nothing more
I dont like the historical inacuracies in the portrayal of the First Crusade and the sack of Jerusalem. This event is rooted in real history, which is before the setting takes over and becomes fiction; so they couldve gotten it right. The siege of Jerusalem didnt take years; it was sacked in just over a month. The crusaders forces werent wittled down to nothing; they lost about a quarter of their men during the siege. Quite sizable but nothing compared to annihilation in this story. The crusaders didnt feel debased like animals because of the horror they inflicted upon the populace of Jerusalem. They were proud of it. The killing of the heathen (that includes Jews) was seen as a just act and penance before God. The act of slaughter was also the norm for cities that refused to surrender in those days and therefor was not considered noteworthy in any ethical sense. The crusaders as far as I know did not suffer a religious crisis (‘abandoned by God’); this would by hard since friend and foe agreed the First Crusade was an astounding succes. Neighter did the crusaders feel betrayed by the church. The church would validate their claims after the conquest and hail them heroes. I feel like trench crusade depicted the crusaders of the first crusade as bitter and resentful so the story could happen.
The sack of Jerusalem was pretty bad even by the standard of the time, so much so that one of the five captains of the army gave Muslims his flag as a symbol of protection and they were killed anyways, additionally to have done so for CHRISTIANITY, a religion of love and forgiveness is tantamount to insanity
Immagine if the demon made him immortal, thus denying him his hell and ''salvation''. Thats what I call evil.
I like the interpretation of what the Heretics (at least some of them) value about their service. A narcissistic "I'm the soecial one" love of themselves and their masters is both a neat inverted version of the Abrahamic faiths, and an explanation of why the Heretics are so loyal to such openly cruel masters. They believe that they may be the unique individual chosen and blessed by their own inner value and strength, and so they alone won't be preyed on and betrayed. It's the most malign expression of faith.
Spot on, in my view. A suicidal egotism.
This is also expressed in the (out of print) Slaves to Darkness Warhammer books. Even the nominally successful are little more than a grotesque parody of themselves. A mere franchise holder for their Patron Power.
So... your average american
@@pootisengage6672😂 shut up
@@pootisengage6672pretty much. We are a selfish nation.
‘That year most foul’ is such a badass name for a horrible year
2020 the prequel
Poor guy, he got played like a fiddle. He's delusional if he thinks that minor act of betrayal and his ineffectual preaching will net him power and prestige in hell. At best, he'll be turned into a hellspawn foot soldier to be sent back to the war he wished to leave. At worst, well, that demon could easily think of worse fates than my mere mortal mind.
They did become quite powerful demons called heresiarchs iirc, you can see artwork of one in the rulebook
I'd say he already is in the worst fate imaginable. He willingly walked into New Antioch and started spouting heresy, and with his seemingly undying body, is now at the whims of the incredibly brutal church of Trench Crusade. Who knows what kind of horrific shit they'll do to him to find the extent of his immortality. He already had his tendons cut and they weren't mentioned to have healed. Bro got absolutely hoodwinked.
Whenever someone says the words "their truth" that is the time to get the heck out because nothing further can be trusted.
From what I've see, the problem was that it was the sheer cynicism of war is what eroded the faith of the templars, and while the cynicism is true, the lies of the devil led them astray.
If the templars used this cynicism to also see that the devil is not a better master than god, then all of this could be avoided...
The problem is that would require abandoning hope of there being love and salvation at all, after all if not even the devil can provide it, who else is there? What's scarier, the lies of the devil, or the knowledge that there is no ultimate reward? That your past deeds do not have any intrinsic value and there is no authority to grant you what you truly desire.
@@fluxtheory3136 and that is the problem: you believe that your existence "grants" you "purpose".
What is the other option beyond "existence"?
Besides, tools have "purpose" - and Humans are NOT TOOLS.
@@Jamhael1 I'm simply writing from the perspective of someone in-universe. Whether we like it or not, people who we would call
prophets, zealots or crusaders are what they are because have no doubts in their sense of purpose. Their purpose is provides the fuel for their inner fire which the vast majority lack, and to survive in the universe of trench crusade a sense of purpose is simply not optional, but a pre-requisite to survival.
Modern atheists or humanists like us are internally very hollow. There is no spiritual "fat" to buttress against extreme levels of hardship and suffering. Think about how quickly you yourself will break after having nails driven into your shins during an interrogation.
In such a world, whether you stand with the Creator or with the forces of Hell, when your survival is determined by your devotion or fanaticism, those with weak faith are weeded out with extreme prejudice. The person you described who is capable of doubting both heaven and hell does not exist, because he would wind up dead extremely quickly.
@@Jamhael1Humans are in fact tools to a system or to a tribe etc
@@fluxtheory3136 no, not "doubting", simply REJECTING THEIR ALLEGIANCE.
When you are litteraly offered two bad endings, you reject both out of SPITE.
Absolutely phenomenal work, man. Delivering it in that epistolic style that you find in Dracula or an SCP entry was the right move. Incredibly well-written and performed.
Thanks so much, I was kinda nervous about this one. lol
👏 👏 👏 Bravo
I love how all of the fall the squad leader gives up to is due to his own lack of faith and perseverance mimicking templars from the story that might also be a knot of lies.
Well played demon.
I will say this type of videos, where creators enrich the Trench Crusade lore with their own contributions, only helps to make the game more narrative and gives a sense of human scale to the lore. Like in Warhammer, the lore is there to be respected and followed, but the histories, like Eisenhorn for example, are what truly gives depth and really immerse the player into that universe. This very same thing is what you are doing here, please keep doing it, we will be listening.
The demon acting like he’s worth the time of a smiting and Satan probably has found plotarmium to keep him save
I can actually think of an easy practical counter, not a religious one, but a reasonable one for the average person.
"And what does Hell offer instead of Heaven? Do you think I'm stupid enough to think that I would instantly become a Prince of Hell for some minor sin of betrayal? After they kill me, I will arrive in Hell, not celebrated, but ridiculed, manipulated and subservient. Just like the mortal world, only far FAR worse. And no, I don't trust your "word" that I will have a place of power in your legion. I'm doubtful, not gullible"
"I've seen the horrors your "people" have done on the regular. I know the terrible fates that await those that are in your grasp. Exploitation, dominion, torture, torment, horror, agony, despair. A sea of damned souls all so a few powerful demons can have just that bit more force to backstab each other, despite the constant betrayal being detrimental to the conquest of Earth. You want me to throw away the normal, average, generic but still relatively decent life for one infinitely worse on the small chance it might not be worse? No thanks, demon. God may have made me full of questions and doubt, but thankfully He made me practical enough to see your lies"
"Ooooo, I'm just a sheep, a slave"
"Better those than being the deluded fool that turned himself into an eternally tortured toy of a prince of Hell"
It's the cult of suffering. They believe they are worthy because they suffered.
Is that you, Jaghatai Khan?
When I was playing Wrath of the righteous my Knight Commander literally says to a demon offering boons that demons literally always lie and what they offer is fake. It felt good to defy that trope for once by having some common sense.
The preacher was probably consumed by resentment prior to encountering Nabarus. He fell because of his emotions and trauma, not due to the persuasiveness of the demon. You cant really debate with that rationally.
@caad5258 That's certainly true. That long reason isn't really for people overwhelmed by the despair of life. Logic and Heart are both gifts of the Divine, but the Mortal is too imperfect to find the proper balance for both.
That is the reasoning I have towards Hell because the Divine saw fit to give me a mind that is focused on reasoning and logic, rather than emotions and faith. It doesn't feel preferable to what is common among humans, frankly it kinda sucks. But I have no choice but to work with the tools the Creator gave to me. I'm just glad they also made it so that I'm not too bitter about it.
Great job. I enjoyed this a lot. Please keep at it; you have a flair for 'grimdark style.'
Thank you, I really appreciate y'all checking it out.
Thats was darkly and sickeningly good! I’d love to hear more stories!
The word "heresy" gets used a lot in trench crusade incorrectly
Heresy is offering a misinterperetation or twisting holy scripture to suit your worldly ideals or wants.
What's being discussed in this setting pure BLASPHEMY
Opening a portal to hell is a bit more serious than a philosophical misreading of the bible
So heresy is to blasphemy what manslaughter is to first degree murder?
I would say that the portal was more a result of the Heresy. A bunch of dudes all out having a merry crusade for God suddenly deciding "you know what, fuck this guy" is the heresy? Religious doctrine would be that God acts through us, and we should have faith in that. Heresy would be them standing around going "You know how kinda kicks ass? We do. Definitely NOT God."
Then we get to the Blasphemy.
@@xenoblad yeah pretty much
@xenoblad like "I'm Catholic but I don't think the pope is God's true representative on earth" is heresy
"I hate God and stand in clear opposition to Him" is blasphemy
@@someguycalledCh0wdahNo that is apostasy. Apostasy is the renunciation of your faith for something else. Blasphemy is saying something offensive about that religion.
For example. If a Christian insulted Islam by making fun of Mohammad they committed blasphemy even if they never believed in that religion to begin with.
Apostasy however would be saying "God is dead I am not worshipping him anymore" and then proceeding to worship a demon or whatever.
I did not expect it to go well either but the tone and atmosphere of the story was immaculate and captivating indeed. No intricate plot, no adrenaline and no over grooming of the evil.... It is simplicity at its finest manifestation, one that leaves its listeners with their own sense judgement and benefit of doubt.
Experiment successful in my opinion. Would love to hear more honestly. To my acknowledgment, in the arc of the Divine and Unholy, nothing is true and everything is permitted. To that end, I don't see any reason to be held back or left waiting for official lore.
This is what I like about trench crusade, even hell has its enticing reasons, I and I find that more disturbing than just muh evil.
Personally I think the church of metamorphosis is the most scary, as the idea of only being able to experience different realms of reality by transforming your body, especially becoming no longer human is top tier nightmare fuel.
Maybe a video? 👀👀💅
"Forget your thoughts of valor, friend: have you EVER heard the voice of your Lord?"
FUCKING. CHILLS.
If Scanner isn't a member or a creator of the game, I most definitely am surprised given the sheer detail of the lore he gives us.
Nope, just some dork! lol
@@scannerbarkly Well clearly somebody on board with the game should correct that. The pairing of your voice with the slightly unsettling music is perfect.
@@kitrinayolie Thank you, that really means a lot to me. :)
The ritual described doesn't sound that strong enough to permanently open the gates of hell. This sounds like a classic fictiobal demon half truth.
I think the ritual initiated the opening of the gates, but they had to keep the momentum going for it to fully open and stabilize. which resulted in jerusalem being destroyed. Or the ritual was close to completion to begin with and those final sacrifices was all it took to "break the locks" so to speak. Since it had already a pretty strong influence on those who merely looked at the sphere.
@@Psychoangel-d23 if there ever was a sphere to begin with.
Thought it was game/official lore until I read your note, that was a really good story, ty.
Good lore making, so finally the stories are coming out...
Beautifully done brother. I always find myself chomping at the bit to get more Trench Crusade lore whenever I see it and you never fail to deliver. I will never not crave more from this beautiful new "world" I've found and I'm glad I've found it through you.
Thank you, sir. Just glad you are having a good time with it all. :)
I listened to this on my speaker at work (hvac in commercial construction), you sir now have more than a few new fans!!! Amazing work!
Phenomenally well-written
Thanks so much, means a lot to me that folks are enjoying it. :)
Thank you, this made better a very horrendously hard month do not doubt yourself too much, you do good work.
Sorry to hear that times are tough. I hope they get better for you soon. :)
This was excellent! Great work!
You’re like the vaatividya of Trench Crusade!
The story and narration are fantastic. It fits very well with the official lore.
This is great stuff most evil and fits well with what we know so far. Also reminds me a bit of Clark ashton smiths works but without the fluffy language. Keep it up it is good.
That darn 1099 !!! :D Great video.
If Celtic Frost,Clive Barker snd Crowley created a tabletop jam ... crazy,and vey well composed ... all the infernal elements present in abundance... good work...
Fantastic videos dude loving the Trench Crusade lore
WOW!!!! I was spell-bound listening to this story. You did an amazing job of both writing and then dramatically reading this incredibly captivating and imaginative story! I am a Warhammer 40k fan because I was drawn to its grim-dark setting, and I have read a vast amount of the Warhammer 40k lore stories. I can say with no hesitation that this story that you have created captures the deep horror and despair of the grim-dark better than any of the Warhammer 40k stories that I have ever read. The subtly disturbing sound track also added to the sense of dread as you artfully unveiled the story. You are extremely talented, and I am very glad to have discovered your channel! Well done!!!
Thank you so much for the kind words. :)
Always good to see a fellow writer also this is some excellent work
You are super cool man i hope this gets the love it deserves from everyone. I'll sure as hell be showing my friend who enjoys 40k!
Thanks for taking the time to check it out. Not sure about the super cool thing, however. lol
“A love that embraces all is a love that embraces nobody” damn that line 😮
Reaally enjoyed this. Wanted some explenation of the ultimate heresy, and this was inventive and generally bang on in tone, good job!
What's in the box? What's in the box?!
Thanks for all the vids you've been doing on Trench Crusade- I never would have heard of it if not for you! :)
My pleasure!
God not intervening in the lives of mortals is kind of his schtick. He sends hardships to make you stronger and better, a harsh parent, but it's harshness borne of love.
In our world. In Trench Crusade He performs miracles through Clerics, the Observers hear His voice and He keeps them safe, etc. The character would have seen plenty of incidents that he could interpret as God acting directly through others, but never through him.
Trench Crusade was clearly written by people who do not understand Christian theology.
mostly cause god knows about human game theory.
which basically is the idea that if the lord gave humans everything they asked for theyd do what ever he said for the reward and not because they agree or undersand morally gods teachings.
like in videos games if you give someone a instant win button they will alwaus use it even if it hurts there experince.
The kind of parenting that creates tyrants & mass murderers. Have any of you seem that AWESOME short horror film on UA-cam "Portrait of God"? Phenomenal. No jump scares, nothing cheap. Just an angle I certainly wouldn't have initially thought of, and one that Trench Crusade seems to be nailing....what, with the Meta-Christ clones and whatnot. If Biblically accurate angels are anything to go by...for these things...even the "good ones" to exist, they'd likely be terrifying beyond all mortal reckoning.
@scannerbarkly I heard there are snipers whose buff is that they somehow could hear the voice of God, who in effect acts as their "spotter". Trade off is, they're all half mad, and can never sleep naturally again.
This is fantastic, love to see more content like this.
this was amazing
Bro got tricked by the Joel Olsteen demon
I would love more of this, you definetely have a talent for this
Honestly, the more I think about it, i get the impression that God isn't speaking to anyone in this setting. Rather, the Devil is just absolutely cackaling with triumph as he plays Man like a fiddle.
I mean, this is the Catholic church triumphant without ever being reformed due to the counter reformation. To half of Christianity that isn't Catholic this basically is their worst nightmare.
@@ethanduncan1646 As someone raised in the Catholic Church, the bit of Trench Crusade that interests me the most is the Doctrine of the Meta Christ. The Body and the Blood of Christ already play a central role in the Catholic Mass, with Communion being one of the three major steps in becoming a full member of the Church and being the one which is repeated at every mass, roughly halfway through.
The idea that the Church has taken the Body and Blood from being a representative deal using bread and wine that have been blessed to being the actual flesh and blood of a clone of Jesus is a fascinating bit of world building.
Well god doesnt care isca common troupe.
Thank you for being real. I’m so tired of AI lore vids
Thank you. Unfortunately, more and more stuff on UA-cam is being voiced by AI work and it's so fucking boring.
Awesome as always. Might even make a story of my own in response. On my own channel.
That was awesome, man! Can't wait for more!
Beautifully done story and I'm so pumped to hear more lore from TC! Thanks for all the work you're doing. I hope you write more like this!
On an audio note (I'm a sound engineer), Idk what program you use to record your voiceover in, but if you use Adobe Audition there are lots of easy tools to remove those pesky mouth noises (swallows, dry tongue sounds, etc.). Most DAWs offer Declickers, Noise Reduction, etc. and you can easily find video tutorials on how to get rid of those bits. Doesn't bother me too much, but I know some people get very grossed out hearing those things! I'd be happy to show you the ropes if you're interested.
Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I use Audition now and run the Noise Red and Declickers, along with some Limiting and a Little Compression, the a Noise Gate to cut every below a certain level which deals with the breathing. People also just gotta accept that I do have issues with my jaw and it means I talk a certain way, it is what is. If I can live with it then I suspect that they will just need to learn to do so as well. lol
Actually, if you wanna compare, this is the most recent story with the new procedures - ua-cam.com/video/5uX3LYxnZt0/v-deo.html
I am looking forward to books. I hope it will come.
Woof, that was dark...
Well, Mr Demon, is answer is so common across fictional versions of Christianity that it's a bit of a cliche. Most notably the Faith of the Seven in Game of Thrones, and most if not all depictions in Anime.
The first is simply as people in real world, we must all grapple with the question of why we suffer despite the supposed existence of a loving god, and that's always going to be the most compelling system.
2nd, is that Christian metaphysics is All or Nothing. God is either the Absolute Ruler of the universe whose name can be invoked to instantly banish any lesser supernatural forces; Or he's a fake, a powerless figurehead who's followers somehow replaced every enpowered religion.
Trench Crusade takes a common solution to this by giving New Antioch Catholic Flavored Blood Magic, as usual, arguably worse than either the Heretic Legions or Iron Sultanate
Hate to break it to you buddy, but real life Catholicism has blood magic. Transubstantiation is a thing.
@@scannerbarkly Yes, thank you, the inspiration for this is based on real life Catholic tradition
I wanna see someone provide the counter to this and explain the man did indeed kill for selfish reasons and strayed too far from the path.
I mean, what happened can be entirely your interpretation. The heretics may have been lying. The Lieutenant may have just been weak, and his men were stronger, which is why he turned and they did not.
@@scannerbarkly Or he could have entirely imagined it all due to his weakness.
I can think of an easy practical counter, not a religious one, but a reasonable one for the average person.
"And what does Hell offer instead of Heaven? Do you think I'm stupid enough to think that I would instantly become a Prince of Hell for some minor sin of betrayal? After they kill me, I will arrive in Hell, not celebrated, but ridiculed, manipulated and subservient. Just like the mortal world, only far FAR worse."
"I've seen the horrors your "people" have done on the regular. I know the terrible fates that await those that are in your grasp. Exploitation, dominion, torment, horror, agony, despair. You want me to throw away the normal, average, generic but still relatively decent life for one infinitely worse on the small chance it might not be worse? No thanks, demon. God may have made me doubtful, but thankfully He made me practical enough to see your lies"
"Ooooo, I'm just a sheep, a slave"
"Better those than being the deluded fool that turned himself into an eternally tortured toy of a prince of Hell"
The best lies are always wrapped around a kernel of truth.
Reminds me of a nightmare I once had. Phenomenal.
Would love a video on life in New Antioch for the average person and how horrific it is
My friend your writing is superb! As one of faith and a lover of Cosmic horror I think you nailed the vibe that TC is going for! Please continue to write :) you have a god given talent and clearly are astute in your craft!
Peace and love my brother!
Thank you kindly!
Awesome writing!
Id like to see a faction in this world that seeks to truly erase their own souls. Hells promises are hollow, but they seem to have a point about heaven and God with infinite love that is mostly absent yet will send a soul to be tortured in the worst way imaginable until the end of time for the slightest lapse of faith. Maybe some offshoot of Buddhism. Transcedence through true nothingness.
That's actually a really cool idea.
Might be a dumb question but is this fan-made lore or does this have a basis in what is going to be considered "canon". I mean specifically the parts on the first heresy/sin.
This is just a story that I made up. The point is that the demon could be telling the truth to the Lieutenant, he could be lying. There is no real way for him or the listener to know.
@scannerbarkly Also, the lieutenant may be telling the truth or lying as well.
Hell yeah
this was a captivating story
Did you write this? It's really good, very impressive work.
Naberos, the quartermaster of Gehenna.
God let it happen because extreme hardship breeds faith.
That's sadism
The terrifying part of this is how the author so perfectly captures how demons act. The pervasive whisperings of temptation, pulling man away from a higher purpose and the love of God under the pretense of “freedom”. They then appeal to our passions and our fallen nature, more or less feeding our pride while also causing us to despair of the mercy of God.
This also is a great example of how dangerous it is for a man to be deprived of the sacraments, most especially the Holy Eucharist and confession. If they had been apart from the church and a priest to celebrate mass/hear their confessions for months, they surely would have been crushed by the weight of their sin.
awesome story
Do you think that this guy turned into that giant no name demon with a scythe? That would be pretty awesome.
Ways i see it, we may never be told what really happened, but heres my 2 cents.
Either its something grneric like human sacrifice or they disobaying a direct order from God like how Shaitan refused to bow to Adam. An example would be to not kill the saint that was keeping the gates closed. Like how, during the final siege of Constantinople, The Conqueror was unable to breach the walls because a saint was keeping the city safe. So he prayed, and that saint was lifted up to paradise, thus leaving the city open.
Another idea is maybe they begged for penitence as they saw how curropted the Church was and how weak the faith had become. Like in the video game Blasphemous.
What's the background music called?
I really like this story, but I will choose to believe it is a lie by the Enemy. Infernal propaganda designed to weaken our faith.
Yes! This is what I kinda left in the story. Plenty of room for doubt. Why believe a demon? Why believe Amis? Maybe the Lietenant was just weak? Maybe he was lying to the Church and made the whole thing up? It's fun. lol
No other possible explanation.
Dang o prerpagenders ✊️
Your choice, weakling. 😊
(Roleplaying here, OK)
great
this is good
I feel bad for the poor monk who was blinded, deafened, and muted all for documenting what the heretic said. Was it somehow a side effect of hearing the heretics words or did New Antioch officials do that to him as a punishment or to keep him from telling anyone else?
Very cool
Wait i know we're playing loose with history but... The Templar OPrder was established in 1118 specifically to protect pilgrims coming into European-controlled Jerusalem.
Having the Templar's conqueror Jerusalem is a bit of a Paradox, since you need Jerusalem to for the Templars to be formed.
You first 8 words answer your own issue, homie.
Will there be tanks and aircraft? I mean it doesn’t need it
I just stumbled upon Trench Crusade so I know nothing, besides that the minis look awesome, god or his agents dont talk to humans nor support them in any shape or form and humanity has not switched side by now? 🤔
Sounds like these dudes had abad but enlightening dnt trip
Where did you get this lore from?
I wrote it.
I really love this setting, (even as an extremely devout Catholic) it is unfortunate that the setting also inevitably invites some of the most hamfisted theological debate on the internet I think I have ever witnessed.
This setting is not attempting to be theologically correct to scripture, it’s a fantasy universe that heavily borrows elements from Judeo-Christianity.
Just let something be cool, people. You don’t start donning fedoras and screeching about the God Emperor for 40K, you shouldn’t do so here
Yes they fucking do screech about atheism when it comes to 40k. I have seen neckbeards unironically argue in support of big E's galactic genocide of religion.
To be honest, this discussion is no different than theology in its entirety; people talking about fictional characters.
Please do faction review 🙏
Like look through the rules and do a breakdown please and thanks
God bless
That's one the way soon! Just need a little break from the current busy work season, so once the Elden Ring DLC has been out for a week or so, imma dive into them. :)
W vid as always
Is that how the Templar really fell or did the demon lie ?
Where can I find all this lore!!!!!
This one is just a story that I wrote myself, not official lore. You can also find the first in a new series called "Hand of Fate" here - ua-cam.com/video/5uX3LYxnZt0/v-deo.html
Part 2 coming soon!
I have a problem with the lore here and that's due to the date. The Templars are described as having sold their souls to Satan and opening the gates of hell in the year 1099... except they couldn't have. The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Knights Templar) were not founded until 1119, 20 years after the fact, and their order only consisted of 10 total knights. It would not be until 1129 that their order grew beyond this due advocacy by saints within the Church.
Now, if this had been Crusaders who fell to heresy, this would work, or if the opening of Hell's Gate occurred at least a century later, but instead Templars are once more chosen to be the villains when it doesn't make historical sense.
It's not a historically accurate game, my dude. It's an alternate history. Stuff will happen before or after it happens in real life. Some important historical figures will still exist, and some will not. It's really interesting to me that you can get behind the whole army of hell invading earth thing, but Templars existing and Jerusalem falling a little earlier is apparently not on. lol Woods and trees, my dude.
@@scannerbarkly Alternate History works when it is historically accurate, as it adds layers of intrigue to the story. As I said, had the gates been opened a century later, it would opened more additional lore due to:
a.) The Templars being an established military force who already would have ties to the rest of Europe through their banking systems.
b.) 1199 being when the Third Crusade Ended, the Crusader Kingdoms were at their weakest, and Richard the Lionheart campaigning in Europe, dying towards the start of this year.
c.) Caliph Muhammad al-Nasir ascended the throne of Almohad Caliphate and further expanding Arabic rule through Hispania.
I get why 1099 was chosen, as this was when the fall of Jerusalem occurred, but some historical research would add more to the lore. Instead, it's left as something of a clunky starting point for the setting which bugs me as an historian. Oh, I can get behind Hell invading Earth as that can lead to interesting stories, but when set in an historical time period, careful attention to detail can make or break my enjoyment of a setting.
Fair enough but honestly I would assume that some things even before 1099 are different from our timeline, simply because both god and devil seem ti be more outwardly active. After all, the betray does imply that they were different before reaching Jerusalem.
So maybe in this timeline the order was founded to "free" the temple instead of that being their first quarter and then adopting the name.
@@Tracer_Kriegnah
@@Tracer_Krieg We fundamentally disagree on the nature of an alternative timeline. lol The Church in Trench Crusade has a space program, my dude. In 1914. This simply may not be the game for you, and that is fine.
dude, have some water 😂
lol of course it was godfrey hes the fox
Maybe i missed it but did that orb open the gates?
Yup. The Orb was the key, fill it with enough human suffering and fear and it would open the gate wherever it was located.
I just noticed on reflection that neither the Antioc soldiers nor the Muslim did anything religious. There was no mention of any or all the soldiers praying at all and the Muslim not giving the proper greeting.
The life of a religious man isn’t about mentioning God and praying every single second. Religious people live as much as they can inside their religions borders
@@ttterg6152 Then you haven't met many.
what awaits you their is eternal torment people forget the devil doesn't run hell he's too scared to set foot in their god does
English, please?
I dont like that they call it heresy, many things here are blasphemy and apostasy.
They're all the same thing, made up ways to offend an imaginary friend.
@ShirleyTimple ok dude im s atheist is well but I like when they use the correct terminology in a universe in which theres clearly a supernatural force ruling the setting, so dont use that,makes you look like an asshole edgelord.
@@xzenitramx666I'm sorry you're offended by the truth😅
@@ShirleyTimple did you even read the comment? Im not offended, my issue was that dont use the correct terminology, im not theist, is a said before im a atheist, youre the edgelord arse atheist, sad.
Why is this not a computer rts game yet?
Hop to it, they're making a board game.
@@ShirleyTimple I'm no game designer but baby steps I suppose.
Trench Crusade lore: hardest shit youll ever read
The Trench Crusade devs and community: the most cry baby mfs youll ever see
The templars didn't exist in 1099, I don't get why they insist on saying these dudes were templars
Have you considered the idea this alternative history might be alternate?
rule of epic?
@@scannerbarkly Sure but I was under the impression the point of departure WAS 1099, I could be wrong though
@@scannerbarklyyeah but most alt history is still our history until the change occurs. Not complaining, I'm just explaining why some may be confused
Could be that that's the hint that the whole story was bullshit
This also shows you will not enter heaven due to your works but through faith. Christ already did the work he paid the price. How egotistical to think you could impress or work your way into Gods embrace. He ask for your obedience and faith and to claim him before all else nothing more
This is a video about a board game, slow your proselytizing 😂
@ShirleyTimple lmfaoo no
Jesus is Lord ✡ ☦ 🕊
hail the black grail!!
I dont like the historical inacuracies in the portrayal of the First Crusade and the sack of Jerusalem. This event is rooted in real history, which is before the setting takes over and becomes fiction; so they couldve gotten it right. The siege of Jerusalem didnt take years; it was sacked in just over a month. The crusaders forces werent wittled down to nothing; they lost about a quarter of their men during the siege. Quite sizable but nothing compared to annihilation in this story. The crusaders didnt feel debased like animals because of the horror they inflicted upon the populace of Jerusalem. They were proud of it. The killing of the heathen (that includes Jews) was seen as a just act and penance before God. The act of slaughter was also the norm for cities that refused to surrender in those days and therefor was not considered noteworthy in any ethical sense. The crusaders as far as I know did not suffer a religious crisis (‘abandoned by God’); this would by hard since friend and foe agreed the First Crusade was an astounding succes. Neighter did the crusaders feel betrayed by the church. The church would validate their claims after the conquest and hail them heroes. I feel like trench crusade depicted the crusaders of the first crusade as bitter and resentful so the story could happen.
You religious dudes REALLY don't like anything that doesn't just glaze the Templars, eh?
@scannerbarkly shows his anti-Muslim bias, too.
Remember, the account comes from an unreliable narrator who is infernal in nature.
The sack of Jerusalem was pretty bad even by the standard of the time, so much so that one of the five captains of the army gave Muslims his flag as a symbol of protection and they were killed anyways, additionally to have done so for CHRISTIANITY, a religion of love and forgiveness is tantamount to insanity
Sorry, the accounts come from 2 unreliable narrators, both infernal.
you inveted this game?
Nope. Can find details and creator names are all in the video description.
Christ is king
a king of nothing but ashes and dust.