In SH3 Heather asked Douglas while driving to silent hill if he has been to silent hill. Douglas said "Once, on a missing person case. Never did find him" . That could be a reference from SH2. Looking for James. But we don't know for sure since Douglas didn't mention that missing persons name
@@KesslerWB In SH1 and SH3 Silent Hill is a cesspool for the demon cult. In SH2, its a place where troubled people are called to face or die to their guilt. This is fact since everyone sees the town differently, which doesnt happen in SH1 and SH3.
@@luigifan001 In SH1 and SH3, the monsters in the town exist as a manifestation of Alessa's nightmare. In the first game it's because she's in her coma thing. In the third game it's because of god causing monsters to appear and feed off of Heather's fears. In the second game it seems like the town is feeding off of multiple people to manifest monsters as opposed to a singular person. And SH2 directly references events which come back in SH4, and SH4 is canon to SH1 and SH3 given the prominence of the cult. SH4 also includes James Sunderland's father Frank Sunderland, implying that SH2 is in fact in that same universe.
Leave for SH2 will always be canon for me because it's the most narratively and thematically relevant to James' arc, as well as the most emotionally fleshed out. Leave also doesn't necessitate him actually returning home, simply leaving the town, or leaving the psychological torment, or both, depending on how you see it.
For me it was because of the other characters that were also in sh2 that were kinda like the other endings in a way were Eddie can’t get over his aggression and killing so he keeps doing it Angela is still trumatized by her killing her brother and father and wants to take her own life then in my opinion james learns to get over him killing Mary and leaving with Laura
@@lumikeranot to mention that James sounds very far from sure of himself when he says it, almost like he's trying to convince himself he wouldn't do that
If Bluepoint does a remaster of SH, I'd love for them to include The Room this time. I know it's not as popular among the fans but, I dunno, I think a bit of clean up among the more annoying quirks would really turn a lot of opinions around on it.
Ok so for silent hill 2 I believe leave is canon. Or at least was intended to be. (Canon for me regardless). As you said he makes that declaration to himself before he fights the 2 pyramid heads. He also tells Angela that he wouldn't kill himself. Also if you watch all 4 endings, "leave" has the highest quality scenes, conversations and voice acting. The dialog is longer and deeper and it doesn't feel rushed. textures and camera angles are better. It also ties up the question of what happened to Laura.
The "joke" ending of Drakengard eventually spawned Neir Replicant and Neir Automata. So it's indeed silly to dismiss joke endings like some people here.
I'm unsure how you can callously write off the UFO and dog endings. Its clear they were intended to be canon since none of them contradict each other and explain why exactly this series happens. It had nothing to do with human psychology, a haunted town, an unborn god or any of that crap but all merely the grand plan of dog that seeks to endlessly troll humanity for his amusement. Or the intervention of hostile invaders from outer space. Because reasons. The games gave you the canon clear as day and yet here you are over analyzing things.
SH3's can't happen because Heather doesn't exist in SH1's UFO ending. Likewise, Travis needs to help Alessa, which he can't if he leaves with the alien and Mira.
@@The4thSnake Yes, but dog with reality warping dashboard and aliens with technology that has at minimum, FTL travel so... None of that silly logic matters because these two factions are free to do whatever the fuck they want. Their ability to control the very plane that we mere mortals exist on far exceeds anything we can began to conceive of or comprehend. Checkmate.
Great video. I would love to see more Silent Hill-content from you. I usually think of the good+ endings as canon, as they usually are the most satisfying. But with SH2 I think you can make an argument for both "Leave" and "In water", as both are satisfying in a narrative sense, but one is uplifting and the other is depressing. It all comes down to wether James both realises his crime, and overcomes his guilt. In "Maria" he overcomes his guilt without truly realising his crime, with the implication that he will repeat the same mistakes. With the 2 others he realises his crime, but with "Leave" he overcomes his guilt, with his rejection of Pyramid Head getting the context that James is done punishing himself, and thus also done being punished by Pyramid Head. With "In water" the scene is the same, but the context is different. PH is no longer needed here as well, but it's because James will no longer run from his guilt and bring the ultimate punishment on himself. I think both work, but I prefer "Leave". Also, I don't view any of the post-4 games as canon, though I do have a soft spot for parts of SM and Downpour. The gameplay of Origins is good, but the story is bad fanfiction, and the only thing I like about Homecoming is the music and boss-designs. Everything else is pretty terrible.
I just ignore everything after SH4, the games made without Team Silent completely fuck up how the story happened/is told. Even Silent Hill Origins (which was SUPPOSED to give insight into the events of SH1) completely mistold the story, making the cannon of the first 4 games completely messed up.
@@Walamonga1313 But 4 still has a plot that ties into the previous games that was still made by team silent; it is still relevant to the first 3 games.
Luca Fox plus 4 is considered to have one of the best plots in the series right next to 2. I think a lot of the criticism stems from Henry as a character and that the game is different from the others, which I understand, but it’s canon.
@@Walamonga1313of course not. SH4 is basically a continuation of Silent Hill 3, where an assassin named Walter Sullivan (who was tricked) plans to bring Samael into the world through 21 Sacraments.
I don't think the missing person being talked about in SH4 is James because it only said "missing person" not "missing persons", if James disappeared in Silent hill people would presume he disappeared with Mary.
I was hoping you would mention that Dead by Daylight uses the normal ending of Heather deciding to go by Cheryl from now on as it's canon. (Even though obviously it's non canon too)
I fuckin love silent hill, although i dont agree that the first movie “killed the franchise” infact i think if they made the sequel as good quality as the first itd of done the opposite. BTW revelations was sht
Based on contex clues throughout the games, from my conclusions the canon endings are: Silent Hill: Good (Specifically because there's a scene in SH3 showing Harry with baby Heather all by himself in the middle of the street, a scene only possible in the normal Good ending) Silent Hill 2: In Water Silent Hill 3: Good Silent Hill 4 The Room: Escape Silent Hill Origins: Good (No shit) Silent Hill Homecoming: Hospital Silent Hill Shattered Memories: Broken & Love Lost (Firstly, the final therapy room encounter is not a garuntee you'll get the same videotape ending, this is just to make that clear. Secondly, they seem the most in line with the story Shattered Memories is trying to tell and, honestly, are the most touching to me.) Silent Hill Dowmpour: Truth & Justice (Makes the most sense with the way everything's been built up.)
I don't feel like "In Water" is James killing himself out of guilt so much as him seeing it as his only way to "see Mary again", which was his objective from the beginning. I also can't imagine Laura being willing to live with James as the last time we see her before the ending is her finding out that he murdered her best friend (Mary) and her screaming "I hate you! I hate you!" and calling him a killer. Then all of a sudden her reunites with her again and they become a father-daughter duo? No way. Also "proof" that hints at the In Water ending is the dialogue Henry says around the Superintendant's son being missing is given to you when examining a picture of Toluca Lake, which is where James drowns himself in In Water. Also, there is that "missing person" line Douglas says to Heather in SH3. While it's not confirmed he's talking about James, I personally can't imagine the line meaning anything but a link to the previous protagonist.
@@Obscure_man31 The In Water ending makes sense for the prologue as we evidently see James driving to Silent Hill with Mary inside the car after her death. That isn't until the town decided to punish James and make him come to his own guilt. If the leave ending happens, then that means James forgets his griefing and accepts his guilt. However, Laura is just a child. She probably doesn't really understand why James really did it as James keeps quiet leaving the topic more mysterious. Now could she end up forgiving James, maybe. It really just depends on how the narrative approach that comes with the leave ending. Idk how James can simply not suffer through some wild PTSD raising a child. So I can understand that, but yeah.
During the game james has 3 initial "choices" acceptance and repent (ask for forgiveness and move on, wich is leave with laura wich is what mary wants) acceptance with guilt and remorse (accept his crime but can't overcome the guilt, which is the suicide in water in order to be with her by dying in the same way) Total denial (acknowledges his crime but justifies it, and negates it. Which is been punished over again with Maria) Laura is not laura but an entity as maria is, so that means they change according to what the person affected is accepting Laura is the way mary forgives james for her crime. As well as maria is the eternal punishment. maria trough the whole game is trying to make james suffer because she hates him, but when james chooses her she "changes" and "accept" him in order to make him suffer again with the same sickness mary had in the case of Laura, it's the very same but the other way around, laura is a test of commitment once james is "released" from guilt laura accepts him as she is the desire of mary for them to have a life. the other endings are extras as those requieres a 2nd playthrough.
@@rinraiden i really think she is not, if she where that would lead to a loooooooooot of inconsistency and plot holes. she was at the same hospital that mary was, and had no parents, this means that either she was in foster care or an orphanage. this leads to 2 things, the game takes place right after james kills mary (mary's body is in the backseats of the car), this thing alone makes Laura imposible to receive a letter and be there b4 james, also she does not known the town as she was never in there, all she knows is what mary told her about the hotel etc.. she seems to known and navigate through town fairly easy like someone who has been living there for so long that she knows even the smallests places. She appears in key points to makes james take some action or push him into some action So basically she pretty much teleports all over the town in places that makes no sense for her to be unless james is there. the reason you can see her with eddie is because of james, SH has different realities according to the person and cannot interact with each other, except for james for some reason, he can see angela's and eddie's reality (in fact the scene on the hotel with angela has something not many noticed, the room where angela is is iluminate even when there is no light points (those are the flames, but james at that point cannot see those in plain) And the ending itself, she is a child, she won't forgive james so easily and would not have a so sudden change with someone she hates not to mention that she never found mary and never had a real reason to trust james etc... Like i said, Laura is ONLY at key points just for james if she was real that would be a major plot hole in the story
I don't agree that just because he stood up to the Pyramid Heads and declared he doesn't need someone else to punish him for his sins, that he also wouldn't end his life afterwards. Perhaps his wanted resolution was that he needed to forgive himself instead of fighting his guilt and finally "rest" after all these years, dying on his own terms instead of by the hands of the monsters punishing him. I think In Water fits Silent Hill 2 pretty perfectly and I have no real preference when it comes to In Water or Leave. It's not like the game isn't okay with such endings considering Angela's fate.
James could be interpreted to say he does not need anyone to punish him, because he can punish himselft. And being his sin killing, it is only fitting he kills himself.
This is the kind of brilliant non-MK content that sucks why this channel is so small. Really good video, like the Resi Evil one, that breaks down this interesting topic really well and is interesting as fuck as well.
5:26 The Sunderlands are fucked up. James kills Mary because he didn't want to care for her when she was ill and blocked out the memory due to guilt and Silent Hill 2 is about him finding out again and accepting it. And his dad keeps the umbilical cord of future serial killer Walter Sullivan.
Still believe Alex was the hospital for 1 reason only "what kind of a solider cant fight with their fist"? (A trucker and an inmate can but solider can't) I highly agree with the F*** You to shattered memories
Woah woah woah. Silent hill shattered memories is NOT Harry's dying dream. It's Cheryl's delusion. She can't get over the loss of her father so she chooses to believe he's still searching for her. I think the scenes with dahlia only reinforce this. Remember how she acts like she knows you and says you're acting weird?
Why i think leave is the only canon ending? Well, james told Angela that he will never kill himself, even after the truth. Silent hill is a place where people go for their sins, pyramid head helps james when he kills Maria. James in that case want the sexually version of his wife, he was going to distract from the objective, wich is the redemption. The cherry on the cake is Laura: in water she just desappear and that makes no sense. James goes to silent hill for growing up and leave an horrible past behind, the suicide ending just say “you know what? Alla the story is a joke,the town, the characters, james just kill himself”
Personally I don’t see any of the games cannon after sh 4 because there are way to many narrative problems, such as plot holes and lack of understanding of the source material the 1st 4 games established. I say this because I noticed a few parts of your videos you come to conclusions for the 1st 4 games with evidence from the later games
Perhaps it's like in the first movie where Rose and Sharon/Alessa are still in the fog world and never return. James and Laura can still be in the fog world and not know it.
What they should do is one of two things depending on your opinion, either make a new silent hill game from complete scratch regarding the town but have nothing to do with any of the previous games and come up with a new story for the town or remake the first one from the ground up with today’s graphics ect and not change anything voice related or remake the first one completely with a new script with new actors or keep the old script and re record the lines with new actors. Phew tired 😅
I would prefer leave for sh2 and would like to possibly see James in a new silent hill game but we know how konami is. I would be lucky to get a new silent hill game period let alone seeing James again.
Without memes sake it is safe to assume the dog ending in SH2 is canon. In Shattered Memories the dog ending is exclusively referenced however Shattered Memories could in itself could be a mind fuck experience for Cheryl for the cult to control her but since Konami killed the series we may never know
In Silent hill origins,there is an ending where the aliens and the dog are both present,meaning that all the aliens ending and the dog ending if silent hill 2 are canon,meaning that Silent hill was destroyed by aliens in Sh3,which means that all the games after 3 are non cannon.
SH1:Harry escapes with baby, Cybil dies as there is no mention of her throughout the rest of the original Quadrilogy SH2: James commits suicide as it is stated in SH4 that James went "Missing" in Silent Hill SH3: Heather/Cheryl jump scares Douglas and they leave SH4: Henry and Eileen live and find new apartments SH Origins, Homecoming and Downpour aren't canon because they're not made by team silent Video summary: Fuck You Konami
I've always thought the Rebirth ending was the most fitting for Silent Hill 2. Wherein (explaining the multiple playthroughs) James became trapped in the town until he loses his mind and tries to resurrect his dead wife. Again, never leaving the town.
The Rebirth Ending is more like a reference to the original game than as a serious ending given how James's words at the end suggest he's going to revive one of the "old gods of Silent Hill"(like the Incubus in SH1) in exchange for Mary's ressurection. Given that by Silent Hill 3 there're still people trying to revive "God" into life one has to assume either James failed at his own ritual or that the ending is simply non canon.
@@javiervasquez8995 That's not actually what he (or the ending) says. _"The Old Gods haven't left this place... And they still grant power to those who venerate them. Power to defy even death.."_ He is purposely seeking to resurrect Mary. As, in his words, he can't go on without her. Much as I initially said, whether he succeeds or not is immaterial. James Sunderland is never seen or heard from again. So it makes sense for him to have gone insane over the course of the game and never be able to leave Silent Hill.
@@pious83 Well regardless of what this ending may actually imply regarding James's fate after SH2 given that it's not accesible on a normal playthrough that automatically makes it just as non canon as the UFO and Dog endings. Since the way in which the ending can be obtained involves collecting a bunch of religious items and artifacts necessary in order to carry out the Rebirth ritual it's clear that the developers were hinting at a connection with both Dhalia's cult and the religious customs that pervade the town of Silent Hill as stated in the first game.
@@javiervasquez8995 Just for context, the canon ending to Resident Evil 1, is unachievable in-game. So I'd take the accessibility of an ending as a determining factor with a pinch of salt. Hints or allusions to the cult are also somewhat irrelevant. This game doesn't involve them at all. It is pretty obvious there is something fantastical about this town, just by James exploring it within the first hour. The texts and artifacts he collects also note the rituals and mythology of the town too. It is why this game is itself a standalone entry in the series. As it has no ties to the larger mythos.
Thank you for the dismissal of Shattered Memories. I always thought it was pretty obviously an alternate timeline and non-cannon but wooo boy do its fans argue against that.
Silent Hill 1 has a beautiful scene after you rescue Cybil in the amusement park. Very touching parental devotion shown in it as well as some details on Cheryl's past. Good + it is.
Silent hill 4 considers James Sunderland still missing and it obviously takes place well after 2 so it can't be the leave or Maria ending. The Walter sullivan references felt like a prelude more than anything. The ritual ending items James uses are the same ones Walter uses for his ritual so felt like great foreshadowing to 4 and the lore.
The trouble starts straight away as Origins can't be canon as it contradicts several points in the first game. 1, 2, and 3, are all linked. 4 is shaky at best, and everything after that is non-canon milking by Konami and should just be ignored. Basically if Team Silent aren't involved then it's non-canon.
I don't think this mystery will ever be solved sadly, never gotten a chance to play any real Silent Hill game except for Silent Hill Book of Memories for the PS Vita years back😞. Hopefully Kojima's new horror project is at least a Silent Hill esque game, or that Konami stop being assholes and start making ACTUAL games again, but it's just wishful thinking. At least we have Silent Hill inspired games to watch and/or play🤷♂️
Oh god no, Kojima is a terrible fit for Silent Hill. And...for any narrative that doesn't need to be totally batcrap insane. Silent Hill gets pretty far fetched but not KOJIMA levels of insanity.
Palladiamors I completely agree. I like metal gear but people give the guy too much credit. I think whatever could come out of P.T. could’ve been a good horror game but not a good silent hill game.
I wonder how many people dismissed the joke ending of Drakengard before Neir Replicant and Automata came out. Sometimes joke endings do become canon. One day the same could happen with the dog and UFO endings of Silent Hill.
Silent hill 2 has no specific canonical ending, every ending works in the cannon... as said ANY ending works fine and every ending is conclusive to the story of james. for instance... if people wants to take in count frank words of james disappearing, james killed mary, and then killed eddie, basically by the first murder james is a wanted man and even if he was not (for reasons) then killing eddie impacted his psyche VERY baddly (creating a second PH to punish himself and the second egg that open the doors) this means that for any of the 2 murders or just one of them he needs to restart his life, that means cut ties with the previous one and changing names etc. by the actions previous to sh2 and during sh2 jame knew he cannot be himself anymore or just kill himself if you ask me in water is the most fiting and the one i like the most, BUT in terms of what "purgatory" would be... if james acknowledges his guilt and ask for forgiveness.... then leave is the one that fits the quota. maria wanted to have a daughter, laura had no parents, even when that laura might be an entity like maria then that laura is the daughter mary would have wanted to have, and that is what james has to do in order to earn the forgiveness and move on with his life (free of pain and honoring his late wife wish). About homecoming... im preeeeeeeeetty sure that game does not count as that entire shit takes place in the movie universe. Also the movie and homecoming does not have a pyramid head, similar entity, but different... , those are called Boogieman (ph is an specific representation of james guilt, without james there is no ph, hence the change)
I liked it too when I first played it. But it didn't felt like a silent hill game with all the gore, and it utterly betrays previews games by including Pyramid Head when it clearly doesn't belong there. I would say it may be underrated but not extremely
Leandro Guerrero I can understand that but personally while I never got a chance to play the previous silent hill games I thought homecoming was a interesting take on silent hill is it perfect nope but as a fan of Survival horror I thought it was a really creepy experience especially the boss battles were really dark and messed up at least in my opinion.
@@gambetamaster9804 I say the same about Downpour which also had a lot of interesting ideas yet didn't feel in tone with the themes and the atmosphere of the first 4 Silent Hill games. To be honest i don't think any of the later entries in the series are outright bad yet they all clearly lacked in quality and depth compared to what Team Silent were able to concieve with their own unique brand of horror. Had they all been their own games instead of been called "Silent Hill" they might have received greater reviews than what they got as subpar sequels to 1-4.
Cool thing is some of these endings lead to another game like the bad ending for harry dying at the car crash would be a good connection into shattered memories.
Canon endings of silent hill SH origins - obviously the good ending. Trevor is present in homecoming, so surely he survived Silent hill 1 - good ending (Cybil died). No mention of Cybil on sh3 onwards Silent hill 2 - in water or leave, both are valid depending on your choices Silent hill 3 - the good/normal ending. The other ending is obtained on a replay and obviously not canonical Silent hill 4 - escape ending (24 sacraments never happened the fact silent hill homecoming and downpour happened) Downpour - truth and justice Homecoming - the good ending obviously
@@chrismanning2888 you can make timeline of events, which specyfies which killers came before the others. You could also make timelines for each licensed killer based on what is cannon to DBD universe. For example, which silent hill games are cannon (because they took place prior to Heather Mason being taken by entity). Its just an idea, though I think it would be cool to get a timeline of the in-game events.
You didn't pay very close attention to "Homecoming" and you didn't read the dialogues very very carefully, when Alex finds his father in the trap, he clearly tells Alex the fact that "the old dogs tag" belongs to him instead of Alex and his father also tells him he has been in the hospital, quoting his father: "Alex...you,ve have been in the hospital...", just wow, it's like the developers give us a hint that we are still in the mental hospital laying on the bed, anyway, good video tho
It's funny that you interpret James' declaration--that he no longer needs Pyramid Head to punish him and that 'It's time to end this'--as him not being suicidal. I think the game constantly hints at Angela, James, and Eddie's death, from the three graves you have to jump into, to the legends of dead in the lake; to the note scribbled ad Neally's Bar that tells James to kill himself. Between that stuff, conversations with Angela, and the developers' confirmation--I'd say the 'in water' ending is the most clear.
Sorry, i don't agree with this. Because towards the end James "I'd never kill myself" when Angela asked if he was saving knife for himself and Eddie wasn't suicidal. He went crazy as result of constant bullying in his life.
The dog ending is the only obvious canon ending.
Ah yes a man of culture
There's more endings?
NO! The only canon endings are the UFO endings you fake fan
Obviously.
Fax
4thsnake: what endings of silent hill are canon? Literally everyone: *YES*
>remake Silent Hill 1 as a dad sim
"gurl, come here!"
@Heavy Metal Collector Honestly. Sounds better than TLoU 2
The girl. Her scent betrays her
LegendaryMarston anything is better than tlou2.
In SH3 Heather asked Douglas while driving to silent hill if he has been to silent hill. Douglas said "Once, on a missing person case. Never did find him" . That could be a reference from SH2. Looking for James. But we don't know for sure since Douglas didn't mention that missing persons name
In one of the many occult team silent interviews this was confirmed.
SH 3 and SH 2 take place in different universes
@@luigifan001 lol no what are you on about?
@@KesslerWB In SH1 and SH3 Silent Hill is a cesspool for the demon cult.
In SH2, its a place where troubled people are called to face or die to their guilt. This is fact since everyone sees the town differently, which doesnt happen in SH1 and SH3.
@@luigifan001 In SH1 and SH3, the monsters in the town exist as a manifestation of Alessa's nightmare. In the first game it's because she's in her coma thing. In the third game it's because of god causing monsters to appear and feed off of Heather's fears. In the second game it seems like the town is feeding off of multiple people to manifest monsters as opposed to a singular person. And SH2 directly references events which come back in SH4, and SH4 is canon to SH1 and SH3 given the prominence of the cult. SH4 also includes James Sunderland's father Frank Sunderland, implying that SH2 is in fact in that same universe.
Leave for SH2 will always be canon for me because it's the most narratively and thematically relevant to James' arc, as well as the most emotionally fleshed out. Leave also doesn't necessitate him actually returning home, simply leaving the town, or leaving the psychological torment, or both, depending on how you see it.
For me it was because of the other characters that were also in sh2 that were kinda like the other endings in a way were Eddie can’t get over his aggression and killing so he keeps doing it Angela is still trumatized by her killing her brother and father and wants to take her own life then in my opinion james learns to get over him killing Mary and leaving with Laura
Yeah and “In The Water” isn’t canon obviously because of the one line from James saying “I’d never kill myself”
@Executioner_Smough do you have any idea how many people have said that and still done it?
@@lumikeranot to mention that James sounds very far from sure of himself when he says it, almost like he's trying to convince himself he wouldn't do that
Video idea: Another Mk miskonceptions but on “Mk banned in Japan” I personally have seen LOTS of misinformation going around that needs some clear up
For real especially when I say I want scorpion in smash and then people say it wont happen because mk is banned in japan
Ethan Alday Yeah TV tropes is flat out wrong on their Trivia tab
2:12 that transition just made me realise how much heather actually resembles Cybil Bennet. I never noticed that before
The Only Canon Endings are the UFO's.
If Bluepoint does a remaster of SH, I'd love for them to include The Room this time. I know it's not as popular among the fans but, I dunno, I think a bit of clean up among the more annoying quirks would really turn a lot of opinions around on it.
Considering it shares it's name with a crappy b-movie i can understand why it's not as popular as it's predecessors. 😏
What about Silent Hill 1?
@@peridotentertainment8287 It would be next to impossible to remaster 1, but they should include it on the disc for completion's sake.
@@jakfan09
That's fair
Javier Vásquez yeah but its not just "the room" exclusively
Ok so for silent hill 2 I believe leave is canon. Or at least was intended to be. (Canon for me regardless). As you said he makes that declaration to himself before he fights the 2 pyramid heads. He also tells Angela that he wouldn't kill himself. Also if you watch all 4 endings, "leave" has the highest quality scenes, conversations and voice acting. The dialog is longer and deeper and it doesn't feel rushed. textures and camera angles are better. It also ties up the question of what happened to Laura.
"Joke ending are obviously non canon"
HOW DARE YOU!?
Of course, that's why it's called a joke
@Reginald_Badgersnatch ye
The "joke" ending of Drakengard eventually spawned Neir Replicant and Neir Automata. So it's indeed silly to dismiss joke endings like some people here.
Damn
Remember when Konami made games? Tragic
Please do “A Line Through Time “ for Silent Hill
I'm unsure how you can callously write off the UFO and dog endings. Its clear they were intended to be canon since none of them contradict each other and explain why exactly this series happens. It had nothing to do with human psychology, a haunted town, an unborn god or any of that crap but all merely the grand plan of dog that seeks to endlessly troll humanity for his amusement. Or the intervention of hostile invaders from outer space. Because reasons.
The games gave you the canon clear as day and yet here you are over analyzing things.
Here here!
SH3's can't happen because Heather doesn't exist in SH1's UFO ending. Likewise, Travis needs to help Alessa, which he can't if he leaves with the alien and Mira.
@@The4thSnake Yes, but dog with reality warping dashboard and aliens with technology that has at minimum, FTL travel so...
None of that silly logic matters because these two factions are free to do whatever the fuck they want. Their ability to control the very plane that we mere mortals exist on far exceeds anything we can began to conceive of or comprehend. Checkmate.
@@The4thSnake so are you still doing a wasted potential reptile?
My sentiments exactly. Im reminded that the "joke" ending of Drakengard became the canon premise that spawned Neir Replicant and Neir Automata.
Great video. I would love to see more Silent Hill-content from you. I usually think of the good+ endings as canon, as they usually are the most satisfying. But with SH2 I think you can make an argument for both "Leave" and "In water", as both are satisfying in a narrative sense, but one is uplifting and the other is depressing. It all comes down to wether James both realises his crime, and overcomes his guilt. In "Maria" he overcomes his guilt without truly realising his crime, with the implication that he will repeat the same mistakes. With the 2 others he realises his crime, but with "Leave" he overcomes his guilt, with his rejection of Pyramid Head getting the context that James is done punishing himself, and thus also done being punished by Pyramid Head. With "In water" the scene is the same, but the context is different. PH is no longer needed here as well, but it's because James will no longer run from his guilt and bring the ultimate punishment on himself. I think both work, but I prefer "Leave".
Also, I don't view any of the post-4 games as canon, though I do have a soft spot for parts of SM and Downpour. The gameplay of Origins is good, but the story is bad fanfiction, and the only thing I like about Homecoming is the music and boss-designs. Everything else is pretty terrible.
I just ignore everything after SH4, the games made without Team Silent completely fuck up how the story happened/is told. Even Silent Hill Origins (which was SUPPOSED to give insight into the events of SH1) completely mistold the story, making the cannon of the first 4 games completely messed up.
Ignore everything after 3. Just enjoy the Akira soundtracks still in later games
@@Walamonga1313 But 4 still has a plot that ties into the previous games that was still made by team silent; it is still relevant to the first 3 games.
@@Walamonga1313 The Room is still pretty good, in it's own way
Luca Fox plus 4 is considered to have one of the best plots in the series right next to 2. I think a lot of the criticism stems from Henry as a character and that the game is different from the others, which I understand, but it’s canon.
@@Walamonga1313of course not. SH4 is basically a continuation of Silent Hill 3, where an assassin named Walter Sullivan (who was tricked) plans to bring Samael into the world through 21 Sacraments.
I don't think the missing person being talked about in SH4 is James because it only said "missing person" not "missing persons", if James disappeared in Silent hill people would presume he disappeared with Mary.
I was hoping you would mention that Dead by Daylight uses the normal ending of Heather deciding to go by Cheryl from now on as it's canon. (Even though obviously it's non canon too)
I like that you included a timestamp I only played sh2
I fuckin love silent hill, although i dont agree that the first movie “killed the franchise” infact i think if they made the sequel as good quality as the first itd of done the opposite. BTW revelations was sht
Travis becoming a monster makes sense if you read the comic “hunger” the first silent hill comic
Definitely remake Silent Hill on PS5.
#FudgeKonami
Doggo ending is best ending
Based on contex clues throughout the games, from my conclusions the canon endings are:
Silent Hill: Good (Specifically because there's a scene in SH3 showing Harry with baby Heather all by himself in the middle of the street, a scene only possible in the normal Good ending)
Silent Hill 2: In Water
Silent Hill 3: Good
Silent Hill 4 The Room: Escape
Silent Hill Origins: Good (No shit)
Silent Hill Homecoming: Hospital
Silent Hill Shattered Memories: Broken & Love Lost (Firstly, the final therapy room encounter is not a garuntee you'll get the same videotape ending, this is just to make that clear. Secondly, they seem the most in line with the story Shattered Memories is trying to tell and, honestly, are the most touching to me.)
Silent Hill Dowmpour: Truth & Justice (Makes the most sense with the way everything's been built up.)
I don't feel like "In Water" is James killing himself out of guilt so much as him seeing it as his only way to "see Mary again", which was his objective from the beginning. I also can't imagine Laura being willing to live with James as the last time we see her before the ending is her finding out that he murdered her best friend (Mary) and her screaming "I hate you! I hate you!" and calling him a killer. Then all of a sudden her reunites with her again and they become a father-daughter duo? No way.
Also "proof" that hints at the In Water ending is the dialogue Henry says around the Superintendant's son being missing is given to you when examining a picture of Toluca Lake, which is where James drowns himself in In Water. Also, there is that "missing person" line Douglas says to Heather in SH3. While it's not confirmed he's talking about James, I personally can't imagine the line meaning anything but a link to the previous protagonist.
The in water ending doesn't really make any sense when you give it more thought
@@Obscure_man31 The In Water ending makes sense for the prologue as we evidently see James driving to Silent Hill with Mary inside the car after her death. That isn't until the town decided to punish James and make him come to his own guilt. If the leave ending happens, then that means James forgets his griefing and accepts his guilt. However, Laura is just a child. She probably doesn't really understand why James really did it as James keeps quiet leaving the topic more mysterious. Now could she end up forgiving James, maybe. It really just depends on how the narrative approach that comes with the leave ending. Idk how James can simply not suffer through some wild PTSD raising a child. So I can understand that, but yeah.
During the game james has 3 initial "choices"
acceptance and repent (ask for forgiveness and move on, wich is leave with laura wich is what mary wants)
acceptance with guilt and remorse (accept his crime but can't overcome the guilt, which is the suicide in water in order to be with her by dying in the same way)
Total denial (acknowledges his crime but justifies it, and negates it. Which is been punished over again with Maria)
Laura is not laura but an entity as maria is, so that means they change according to what the person affected is accepting
Laura is the way mary forgives james for her crime.
As well as maria is the eternal punishment.
maria trough the whole game is trying to make james suffer because she hates him, but when james chooses her she "changes" and "accept" him in order to make him suffer again with the same sickness mary had
in the case of Laura, it's the very same but the other way around, laura is a test of commitment once james is "released" from guilt laura accepts him as she is the desire of mary for them to have a life.
the other endings are extras as those requieres a 2nd playthrough.
@@xTerrySunderlandx Laura is as real as James, Angela and Eddie are. She's not a creation of the town like Maria is.
@@rinraiden i really think she is not, if she where that would lead to a loooooooooot of inconsistency and plot holes.
she was at the same hospital that mary was, and had no parents, this means that either she was in foster care or an orphanage.
this leads to 2 things, the game takes place right after james kills mary (mary's body is in the backseats of the car), this thing alone makes Laura imposible to receive a letter and be there b4 james, also she does not known the town as she was never in there, all she knows is what mary told her about the hotel etc..
she seems to known and navigate through town fairly easy like someone who has been living there for so long that she knows even the smallests places.
She appears in key points to makes james take some action or push him into some action
So basically she pretty much teleports all over the town in places that makes no sense for her to be unless james is there.
the reason you can see her with eddie is because of james, SH has different realities according to the person and cannot interact with each other, except for james for some reason, he can see angela's and eddie's reality (in fact the scene on the hotel with angela has something not many noticed, the room where angela is is iluminate even when there is no light points (those are the flames, but james at that point cannot see those in plain)
And the ending itself, she is a child, she won't forgive james so easily and would not have a so sudden change with someone she hates not to mention that she never found mary and never had a real reason to trust james etc...
Like i said, Laura is ONLY at key points just for james if she was real that would be a major plot hole in the story
I don't agree that just because he stood up to the Pyramid Heads and declared he doesn't need someone else to punish him for his sins, that he also wouldn't end his life afterwards. Perhaps his wanted resolution was that he needed to forgive himself instead of fighting his guilt and finally "rest" after all these years, dying on his own terms instead of by the hands of the monsters punishing him.
I think In Water fits Silent Hill 2 pretty perfectly and I have no real preference when it comes to In Water or Leave. It's not like the game isn't okay with such endings considering Angela's fate.
Given how far removed BoM is from the rest of the cannon I like to think that the joke ending was cannon for that one.
James could be interpreted to say he does not need anyone to punish him, because he can punish himselft. And being his sin killing, it is only fitting he kills himself.
This is the kind of brilliant non-MK content that sucks why this channel is so small. Really good video, like the Resi Evil one, that breaks down this interesting topic really well and is interesting as fuck as well.
Can u pls check out dishonored timeline and or a wasted plotentiol and etc i wana see a dishonored video oof ;-; plsss
I don't care about Dishonored.
@@The4thSnake ok oof lol
5:26 The Sunderlands are fucked up. James kills Mary because he didn't want to care for her when she was ill and blocked out the memory due to guilt and Silent Hill 2 is about him finding out again and accepting it. And his dad keeps the umbilical cord of future serial killer Walter Sullivan.
Well yeah
Maybe they're going with the nier/drakengard approach where they have every ending be canon.
Oh god that would be a mindfuck.
Yes, the joke endings could become canon one day if they spawned direct sequels like happened with Neir Replicant and Automata.
Getting the worst ending in silent hill 1 my first time around only to find I had only the scratched the surface of the game was a good memory
I haven't seen a Line Through Time video for a while, any interest in doing a movie franchise, such as The Mummy films?
Still believe Alex was the hospital for 1 reason only "what kind of a solider cant fight with their fist"? (A trucker and an inmate can but solider can't) I highly agree with the F*** You to shattered memories
Woah woah woah. Silent hill shattered memories is NOT Harry's dying dream. It's Cheryl's delusion. She can't get over the loss of her father so she chooses to believe he's still searching for her. I think the scenes with dahlia only reinforce this. Remember how she acts like she knows you and says you're acting weird?
Interesting, that would make Shattered Memories a direct sequel to Silent Hill 3.
I love that ur doing less mk content
Why?
The4thSnake mk sucks now, low effort from writers, bad game etc etc
The4thSnake because I’m sick of mortal kombat stuff I’ve quit the game and left the community
Why i think leave is the only canon ending? Well, james told Angela that he will never kill himself, even after the truth. Silent hill is a place where people go for their sins, pyramid head helps james when he kills Maria. James in that case want the sexually version of his wife, he was going to distract from the objective, wich is the redemption. The cherry on the cake is Laura: in water she just desappear and that makes no sense.
James goes to silent hill for growing up and leave an horrible past behind, the suicide ending just say “you know what? Alla the story is a joke,the town, the characters, james just kill himself”
When I saw this video, I _knew_ Dead by Daylight was gonna get mentioned. Lmao.
well duh it's the only silent hill related thing in years even though dead by daylight is in a shit place right now with it's MMR system
mr B Exactly. Though, most of the poor balancing comes from one guy.. (Aka Almo)
@@FookMi69 Yeah that guy has no idea what he is doing
At least they out did themselves with pyramid head he plays and looks amazing in the game
@@danielsawaked685 true that
Fuck it, make a proper HD remaster of Silent Hill 4. It's my favorite, but it's nearly impossible to play without original hardware.
There is a gog version that is great, but is pc only
My Canon endings
Sh0: good
Sh: Good+
Sh2: In water
Sh3: Good
I'd like snake to make a video on how he'd revive silent hill
Hey I liked the first movie.
The story in the 2nd was bad because the story in SH3 was bad.
Personally I don’t see any of the games cannon after sh 4 because there are way to many narrative problems, such as plot holes and lack of understanding of the source material the 1st 4 games established. I say this because I noticed a few parts of your videos you come to conclusions for the 1st 4 games with evidence from the later games
You just planted to image of a Silent Hill 1 remake in the style of The Last of Us or God of War and I hate you for doing so.
laura means victory... so sh2 ending leaving with laura is my end to go
Perhaps it's like in the first movie where Rose and Sharon/Alessa are still in the fog world and never return. James and Laura can still be in the fog world and not know it.
@@PinkLemonade_Guy Stop mixing the movies' shenanigans with the Team Silent games, they've got nothing to do with each other lore-wise!
What they should do is one of two things depending on your opinion, either make a new silent hill game from complete scratch regarding the town but have nothing to do with any of the previous games and come up with a new story for the town or remake the first one from the ground up with today’s graphics ect and not change anything voice related or remake the first one completely with a new script with new actors or keep the old script and re record the lines with new actors. Phew tired 😅
You kinda got what you wanted with Silent Hill F
Konami dropped a ball of the size of Canis Majoris
All the UFO ones.
I would prefer leave for sh2 and would like to possibly see James in a new silent hill game but we know how konami is. I would be lucky to get a new silent hill game period let alone seeing James again.
as always great video :)
Downpour suprise ending is the only canon ending
Without memes sake it is safe to assume the dog ending in SH2 is canon. In Shattered Memories the dog ending is exclusively referenced however Shattered Memories could in itself could be a mind fuck experience for Cheryl for the cult to control her but since Konami killed the series we may never know
In Silent hill origins,there is an ending where the aliens and the dog are both present,meaning that all the aliens ending and the dog ending if silent hill 2 are canon,meaning that Silent hill was destroyed by aliens in Sh3,which means that all the games after 3 are non cannon.
SH1:Harry escapes with baby, Cybil dies as there is no mention of her throughout the rest of the original Quadrilogy
SH2: James commits suicide as it is stated in SH4 that James went "Missing" in Silent Hill
SH3: Heather/Cheryl jump scares Douglas and they leave
SH4: Henry and Eileen live and find new apartments
SH Origins, Homecoming and Downpour aren't canon because they're not made by team silent
Video summary: Fuck You Konami
Sh2 in water ending doesn't make sense
I've always thought the Rebirth ending was the most fitting for Silent Hill 2. Wherein (explaining the multiple playthroughs) James became trapped in the town until he loses his mind and tries to resurrect his dead wife. Again, never leaving the town.
The Rebirth Ending is more like a reference to the original game than as a serious ending given how James's words at the end suggest he's going to revive one of the "old gods of Silent Hill"(like the Incubus in SH1) in exchange for Mary's ressurection. Given that by Silent Hill 3 there're still people trying to revive "God" into life one has to assume either James failed at his own ritual or that the ending is simply non canon.
@@javiervasquez8995 That's not actually what he (or the ending) says.
_"The Old Gods haven't left this place... And they still grant power to those who venerate them. Power to defy even death.."_
He is purposely seeking to resurrect Mary. As, in his words, he can't go on without her.
Much as I initially said, whether he succeeds or not is immaterial. James Sunderland is never seen or heard from again. So it makes sense for him to have gone insane over the course of the game and never be able to leave Silent Hill.
@@pious83 Well regardless of what this ending may actually imply regarding James's fate after SH2 given that it's not accesible on a normal playthrough that automatically makes it just as non canon as the UFO and Dog endings. Since the way in which the ending can be obtained involves collecting a bunch of religious items and artifacts necessary in order to carry out the Rebirth ritual it's clear that the developers were hinting at a connection with both Dhalia's cult and the religious customs that pervade the town of Silent Hill as stated in the first game.
@@javiervasquez8995 Just for context, the canon ending to Resident Evil 1, is unachievable in-game. So I'd take the accessibility of an ending as a determining factor with a pinch of salt.
Hints or allusions to the cult are also somewhat irrelevant. This game doesn't involve them at all. It is pretty obvious there is something fantastical about this town, just by James exploring it within the first hour. The texts and artifacts he collects also note the rituals and mythology of the town too. It is why this game is itself a standalone entry in the series. As it has no ties to the larger mythos.
The first Silent Hill movie is excellent. Wtf.
Thank you for the dismissal of Shattered Memories. I always thought it was pretty obviously an alternate timeline and non-cannon but wooo boy do its fans argue against that.
This was very nice pls do more about silent hill
Silent Hill 1 has a beautiful scene after you rescue Cybil in the amusement park. Very touching parental devotion shown in it as well as some details on Cheryl's past. Good + it is.
Silent hill 4 considers James Sunderland still missing and it obviously takes place well after 2 so it can't be the leave or Maria ending. The Walter sullivan references felt like a prelude more than anything.
The ritual ending items James uses are the same ones Walter uses for his ritual so felt like great foreshadowing to 4 and the lore.
The ones with the aliens. That's it. All of them. None of the others are canon, just the ones with the aliens.
I don't take anything past Team Silent being used as evidence.
The trouble starts straight away as Origins can't be canon as it contradicts several points in the first game. 1, 2, and 3, are all linked. 4 is shaky at best, and everything after that is non-canon milking by Konami and should just be ignored. Basically if Team Silent aren't involved then it's non-canon.
Origins isn't that far from the truth. Developers did their research but poorly conveyed it into the game.
Yeah you read my mind 😁😁😁
I don't think this mystery will ever be solved sadly, never gotten a chance to play any real Silent Hill game except for Silent Hill Book of Memories for the PS Vita years back😞.
Hopefully Kojima's new horror project is at least a Silent Hill esque game, or that Konami stop being assholes and start making ACTUAL games again, but it's just wishful thinking. At least we have Silent Hill inspired games to watch and/or play🤷♂️
Oh god no, Kojima is a terrible fit for Silent Hill. And...for any narrative that doesn't need to be totally batcrap insane. Silent Hill gets pretty far fetched but not KOJIMA levels of insanity.
Palladiamors I completely agree. I like metal gear but people give the guy too much credit. I think whatever could come out of P.T. could’ve been a good horror game but not a good silent hill game.
I wonder how many people dismissed the joke ending of Drakengard before Neir Replicant and Automata came out. Sometimes joke endings do become canon.
One day the same could happen with the dog and UFO endings of Silent Hill.
Do you read the comments? Iam talking to snake btw
Yes, but seeing so many "ufo ending canon lol" comments makes me regret doing so.
the canon endings imo
sh1: good, i don’t think harry knew how to save cybil
sh2: leave or in-water, depends on my mood
sh4: escape, cuz i like eileen
Silent hill 2 has no specific canonical ending, every ending works in the cannon...
as said ANY ending works fine and every ending is conclusive to the story of james.
for instance... if people wants to take in count frank words of james disappearing, james killed mary, and then killed eddie, basically by the first murder james is a wanted man and even if he was not (for reasons) then killing eddie impacted his psyche VERY baddly (creating a second PH to punish himself and the second egg that open the doors)
this means that for any of the 2 murders or just one of them he needs to restart his life, that means cut ties with the previous one and changing names etc.
by the actions previous to sh2 and during sh2 jame knew he cannot be himself anymore or just kill himself
if you ask me in water is the most fiting and the one i like the most, BUT in terms of what "purgatory" would be... if james acknowledges his guilt and ask for forgiveness.... then leave is the one that fits the quota.
maria wanted to have a daughter, laura had no parents, even when that laura might be an entity like maria then that laura is the daughter mary would have wanted to have, and that is what james has to do in order to earn the forgiveness and move on with his life (free of pain and honoring his late wife wish).
About homecoming... im preeeeeeeeetty sure that game does not count as that entire shit takes place in the movie universe.
Also the movie and homecoming does not have a pyramid head, similar entity, but different... , those are called Boogieman (ph is an specific representation of james guilt, without james there is no ph, hence the change)
I'm a simple man I see silent hill I click like.
i personally liked silent hill homecoming its extremely underrated at least in my opinion
I liked it too when I first played it. But it didn't felt like a silent hill game with all the gore, and it utterly betrays previews games by including Pyramid Head when it clearly doesn't belong there. I would say it may be underrated but not extremely
Leandro Guerrero I can understand that but personally while I never got a chance to play the previous silent hill games I thought homecoming was a interesting take on silent hill is it perfect nope but as a fan of Survival horror I thought it was a really creepy experience especially the boss battles were really dark and messed up at least in my opinion.
@@gambetamaster9804 I say the same about Downpour which also had a lot of interesting ideas yet didn't feel in tone with the themes and the atmosphere of the first 4 Silent Hill games. To be honest i don't think any of the later entries in the series are outright bad yet they all clearly lacked in quality and depth compared to what Team Silent were able to concieve with their own unique brand of horror. Had they all been their own games instead of been called "Silent Hill" they might have received greater reviews than what they got as subpar sequels to 1-4.
Cihi says that In water is the more beautiful ending, but prefers Leave.
It's always been the DOG!
Oh boy how you saw things coming. I can see the future!!!
Silent Hill Origins, Homecoming and Downpour are not Canon.
UFO ending is canon ;P
Scuuuury also what’s your opinion on the silent hill movies
Maybe my survival horror game idea should have its own set of alternate endings.
Cool thing is some of these endings lead to another game like the bad ending for harry dying at the car crash would be a good connection into shattered memories.
Amazing video like always
“They also killed the franchise so fuck em 😂
Funny, I didn't see any endings with cannons...fake news
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
I wish Silent Hill never had semi-sequels.
Looks like you kinda got what you wanted tho man
Homecoming is my favourite game out of the series 💁
Have you played the first four?
I respect your opinion, but I also hate your opinion.
Also Pyramid Head in Dead by Daylight = Epic 👌
Yes
I fucking love this canon ball
Canon endings of silent hill
SH origins - obviously the good ending. Trevor is present in homecoming, so surely he survived
Silent hill 1 - good ending (Cybil died). No mention of Cybil on sh3 onwards
Silent hill 2 - in water or leave, both are valid depending on your choices
Silent hill 3 - the good/normal ending. The other ending is obtained on a replay and obviously not canonical
Silent hill 4 - escape ending (24 sacraments never happened the fact silent hill homecoming and downpour happened)
Downpour - truth and justice
Homecoming - the good ending obviously
DOG ENDING FOR SH2 IS CANON IN MY
Can we have one for SMT? Please?
Since Dead by Daylight was mentoined here, I wonder if it would be possible to make "A Line Through Time" of the DBD's horror multiverse?
Exactly how would that work? The series only has one game and large cast of killers. Many of them being classic horror icons
@@chrismanning2888 you can make timeline of events, which specyfies which killers came before the others. You could also make timelines for each licensed killer based on what is cannon to DBD universe. For example, which silent hill games are cannon (because they took place prior to Heather Mason being taken by entity). Its just an idea, though I think it would be cool to get a timeline of the in-game events.
Dbd actually has some lore with a few killers in “The Rift” they will probably do more once they add more content with it
Same goes with the survivors
Get my xbox back from the shop tomorrow so i can finally continue playing Silent hill 2, 3 & homecoming.
I haven't played SH III in a long time but doesn't Harry mention something loosely about Cybil in his journal?
You didn't pay very close attention to "Homecoming" and you didn't read the dialogues very very carefully, when Alex finds his father in the trap, he clearly tells Alex the fact that "the old dogs tag" belongs to him instead of Alex and his father also tells him he has been in the hospital, quoting his father: "Alex...you,ve have been in the hospital...", just wow, it's like the developers give us a hint that we are still in the mental hospital laying on the bed, anyway, good video tho
Canon ball? More like Can ball
It's funny that you interpret James' declaration--that he no longer needs Pyramid Head to punish him and that 'It's time to end this'--as him not being suicidal. I think the game constantly hints at Angela, James, and Eddie's death, from the three graves you have to jump into, to the legends of dead in the lake; to the note scribbled ad Neally's Bar that tells James to kill himself. Between that stuff, conversations with Angela, and the developers' confirmation--I'd say the 'in water' ending is the most clear.
Sorry, i don't agree with this. Because towards the end James "I'd never kill myself" when Angela asked if he was saving knife for himself and Eddie wasn't suicidal. He went crazy as result of constant bullying in his life.
@@teriosshadow17 But I didn't say they were all suicidal, just that they all had graves ready for them.
there is a MLP fan fiction story called Silent Ponyville. it's a mix of My Little Pony and Silent Hill. i won't spoil the plots and endings.
The first silent hill movie wasnt bad, it was fine. the second movie was really bad thought