Got the RSS complete 2023 pack. So good!! Also I used to really enjoy AMS2 but lately I drove the F40 GTO mod on that and AC. The GTO cars in AC are so good.
Only multiplayer support has kept me from getting proper hooked on AC. All the other stuff is just so damn good. I wish some sort of well thought-out add-on multiplayer system could be added to Content Manager... that would bring people back from ACC to AC.
what exactly is missing from the multiplayer? sure the server browser is antiquated but theres ALWAYS dozens of servers running plus content manager has 3 online live race services built in. Im curious what youre missing?
@@BadWallaby Ranked system like other sims have. Like Iracing for example. People don`t want to open accounts on different platforms/services just to play ranked in AC , it should be implemented in the game .
Gamer. I recently rediscovered AC after installing the AC content manager. I've been looking for some good GT3 cars. Thanks to this video, it looks as if I've found some cars in this Race Sim Studio pack. Please do reviews on the complete set of cars in the pack.
I think it does , I mean looking at the video look at how the car can dance on the road ... Compare that to any car in ACC that moves like a sledge full of bricks. That's not to say ACC can't be fun LFM is amazing and ACC is still great value for money just a shame ACC lost the AC pasta source. Great Job by RSS as always This car gets a thumbs up for me even as a GT3 hater :P
@@vfragos Do not use any csp ffb tweaks mate...they are not good. Just the "Custom soft lock " is ok wich was implemented in the latest csp version . The gyro implementation is broken and so the other settings from the csp ffb tweaks.
Well I don't quite agree with you. In acc you can slide the car on corner entry as well and also in asset to corsa you can't really use all of the track. This is a huge problem as in IRL gt3 you use all of the track width whereas in AC if you try that you just spin out
@@vaenii5056 I got new phsx for amg gt3, and dbr9 was already with it as the all new cars like lambo evo2, lexus rcf etc ^_^ As I know not all cars has been updated
You should do a comparison across all current sim titles with this same car on the same track (AC, ACC, AMS2, RF2, iRacing, R3E) to compare how each game handles
@@NielsHeusinkveld Yeah.. but when it comes to streams he's chatting about, he should drive the cars on video across the sims and give opinions in real time
AC was easy for me with scp2. I used 2 or 3 paddock profiles and then tweaked them slightly. I used 3 that had fairly different feelings and then used the differences in a few sliders to make my own version. One thing that helped me the most was to use 0.99 for the slew rate. GL
I'm new to AC and SimRacing in general. Just built a whole setup with a DD wheel, shifter, pedals, and stand and got into AC. Looking for some good GT cars. Is this still a good pack to look into or is there better now?
You have 1 week from now to test RaceRoom extensively. All content can be tested free of charge. You'll also have a world-class connection to the asphalt, just like in rF2 or AC. But just much more and in greater detail. Have the courage to test it. 😁👍
extended physics is great, the other guy doesn't know what he's blathering on about. custom soft lock is in ffb settings and has nothing to do whatsoever with extended physics. you also have to go to settings -content manager-drive and make sure in the quick drive section that "allow to use patch cars data " is checked . then it works perfectly.
@@FatswellSmart What are you on about ?! 😅 "Custom soft lock (smoother and less bouncy) " is in Custom Shaders Patch/FFB TWEAKS and has been added in the latest CSP update (0.1.80-preview218) preview version . Stop talking bs !
@@FatswellSmart Extended physics is still in beta and it changes the ffb in a bad way... It is implemented to be used with rain wich is still in beta ! If you don't use extended physics rain has no effect on the tires but imo it is not great. Is experimental !!!
I love AC and AMS2 for car feel and the feeling of actual tyre feel through the wheel, but as always the online racing doesn’t come close to iracing, so despite the fact iracing is nowhere near as much fun to drive and doesn’t feel like rubber on the road (at least to me anyway), it remains popular purely for the online participation. I racing also does weight transfer and the feeling of car weight the best in my opinion. But when ever I jump in AC or AMS I always start smiling!
I know it's been 6 months since this video, have you tried the rest of the cars? All of the cars in the GT-M pack are eargasm. From the outside on the replays they're so close to the real cars watching them in person at a race, it's amazing how good it is. The Lambo V10 down shifting and popping on upshifts, etc., I can't get enough of that V10.
People like to hate on ACC FFB cause there's no special effects. There's only the forces from the front tyres. Cause it's trying to be realistic. Some like this, some don't. Some want all info from all tyres in the wheel.
Have you used Maurice's Fanalab settings for ACC? Do you dislike the ffb with these settings aswell? I never thought the ACC ffb was bad in the first place but I think it's much much better - even perfect - with the mentioned Fanalab settings.
I have played ACC on just about every wheel on the market , No wheel settings can make the FFB have detail that's simply not there. You need to play AC with a wheel set up properly , the FFB fidelity is literally incomparable , RF2 AMS2 , R3E all have far more detailed FFB than ACC.
For me, the ACC's feedback excels over every sim, it's up there with rF2. However, AC has a 'weightier' ffb feel, making it easier to feel the suspension and the weight shift of the car better. A combination of both would be perfect. And the RSS mods are always top notch
ACC literally has no dynamic range at the limit , the only thing ACC does better than AC are track bumps / suspension compression / vibrations and bumps. Once a car is already under load through a corner and in AC you still have detail for grip at the limit , ACC once the car is loaded into corner there is nothing. Honestly ACC has the least detailed FFB for actually finding and driving on the limit of any sim , it's just super abrupt and aggressive for self aligning which makes it really easy to not lose the rear. ACC physics are also super bland at the limit cars drive like sledges stuck in trajectories with the ocational passenger slide. This is probably why it's ffb is so bad. If you set up a wheel properly with AC there is no conceivable way one could come to the conclusion ACC has more information in FFB to drive from. Even iracing which has terrible slick tire physics and super bland ffb has way more detail and dynamic range to it's ffb than ACC.
I switched back to AC from ACC months ago lol The amount of content available on RaceDepartment ALONE is enough to keep me busy for years lol. I have TRIPLED the amount of career mode events and have several "irl" seasons to play through in championships. Not to mention to staggering amount of cars and tracks ive downloaded lol AC is just the best sim out there right now PERIOD.
all gaming youtubers hype up these incredible cars but at the end of the day, they are a niche inside our already niche hobby If I want to get the into some servers for quick online racing, it's sadly still circling monza in acc
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 AC literally has more detail for the front tires and what the tires are doing like thats really why its so good compared to other sims ffb.
Better than ACC?......... Absolutely!!!!!😊 Plus I can actually use it on my favorite track. That's one of ACC's biggest drawbacks. keep up the great content! Cheers!
I've been using rF2 for the last 6+ months with GT3/GTE/LMP2/Hypercar racing (against AI). This is the first mod that's taken me away from Rf2. The stock setups are straight up garbage, I actually thought the physics was broken on all of the cars. They're setup for extreme understeer and way too safe. Changed the setup on each car I drive and they all come alive and are amazing to drive, and they sound AMAZING. Half the races I've done I'll go back to watch one or two laps of the race and then zone out and end up watching the entire race replay because the cars look so good and sound sooooooo good.
@@BlastBeatsFTWHey yeah basically just changing the anti roll bars, differential preload, brake bias. Anti-roll bars the softer they are the more grip the car has in general. So if you make the front softer, it'll turn in better, if you make the back stiffer, it'll come around easier when you get on the throttle, etc. Mess around with those, in general with the GT-M cars, making the front softer helps because a lot of them are setup for understeer. I usually setup the differential preload to maximum nm. It makes the back of the car more controllable when you're giving it more throttle coming out of the corner. It's kind of an old rF2 cheat, but it works here too. Brake bias I usually set it a little more to the rear, but this is a track to track thing. Also, I think the AC braking physics is the issue here, but I usually max out the brake power to the 115%. I've noticed with AC you can 100% the brakes and basically never lock them up, it's not realistic that way. So I over power the brakes to make it more realistic where you need to modulate the brakes. Even with that setup, I usually have the ABS around 1 or 2. That's one of the biggest issues for me an AC is that it almost has unlimited braking in the physics system. Again the main thing for me is the preload and the anti-roll bar setup and getting it where the car has a little bit of oversteer. You'll feel it becomes a lot more active and you can actually spin the car if you're not being careful, or over power it on corner exit and spin it too. The only thing I'll say about doing all of this though is that you'll over power the AI in an AI race. When I do AI races I only change the TC/ABS/Preload/11% Brake Power/Brake Bias. Like the smaller things. If you make the car too good, the AI is way too easy to beat. But if you basically use the stock setup that they have to use, you can get some good racing in with the GT-M cars.
ACC is a simple cohesive package that is mostly GT3 cars / lots of GT3 cars and LFM ACC has a more complex tire model and technically speaking more detailed GT3 cars , they just for whatever reason drive like sledges compared to AC1.
I agree with the spirit of the video, but... AC is a very balmy sim, it's a romantic piece of software and even more with all the modding. It's a product of the combined passion of the creators and the modders. This mod does look and sound really nice and I am sure that it's very fun to drive, but it seems to me a romantic representation of the AMG GT3 car. The stiffness and emotion deprived way in how a GT3 car interacts with the track, is seemingly represented in ACC correctly, which is a piece of software which - at least in a great part of its intent - is a more clinical and cut and dry approach to simracing. A Venn diagram would show a very significant percentage of simracers enjoying both sims, but at the extremes you'll find two completely different types of people: "simdrivers" at the far side of AC's spectrum and "competitive simracers" at the far side of ACC's spectrum. The latter are attracted to the claimed precision of the simulation, even if that attempt at recreating a physical reality - simulating it - results in a sensorially pauper experience. For them, the "sole" pleasure comes from competing, having rankings, ratings, titles, ... So, although I do agree with the spirit, I must say that you can have both elements at a very high-level and, in my opinion, it's on rFactor 2 that you get the best sensorial experience as a whole (FFB/NewSound/Newer free and DLC content), whilst at the same time not falling prey to romanticism, to the point of distorting the simulation willingly, resulting in the quality of the simulation element on the cars which use the most recent tyre parameters, having no parallel elsewhere.
Max Verstappen thinks AC is the best sim for training F1 and GT cars , He plays iRacing , RF2 , AC and a rather good F1 driver. RF2 is great in many ways as are other sims , but for driving in the dry in optimal conditions nothing captures the nature of a tire at the limit along with the FFB to drive from as you drive in real life as AC does , RF2 lacks some of the detail you have in AC1 for the limit in FFB and RF2 with many of is cars even good ones suffers from he same issue ACC,iRacing have which is cars have a set trajectory going into the corners with the driver not having full control over slip and combined slip as you have with real cars, I do think this Combined slip aspect of AC is probably from some cheesy code but the end result is a car that drives like a real car so its the best we got. ( RF2 is on another level better than ACC and iRacing though to be clear - I personally like the GT3 cars in RF2 as well )
@@GamerMuscleVideos I think your hardware lets you down when driving in rF2. Not sure what are your settings, but Fanatec's DD firmware is not great - at all - and you may have found the sweet-spot for AC that gives you an optimal result, whilst you could be missing the mark on rF2. rF2's FFB is best when you have the wheelbase's effects at zero or the minimum and just interpreting the raw FFB signal. Note: as i said, I really like how AC sells the illusion of driving, so I understand your point of view, but on stiffer cars it misses the mark, in my opinion and the physics, generally, are on the "friendly side". Even in mods like the vaunted IER P13C, fully exploiting the CSP extended physics.
@@valter_vava74 I have 4 DD wheels , 3 belt wheels , a FFB joystick and have helped set up racing sim centres with multiple wheels and have used hundreds of simrigs set up by other people from home rigs to professional rigs to entertainment rigs , using all the simulators out there. As a result I think I have a good idea as to the qualities of each sims FFB how they work with different wheels and what settings do what. If AC misses the mark on stuffer cars why do multiple people I know that own race cars and are fast drivers like it over every other sims ? And why would max verstappen like it the most for F1 and GT ? I personally don't run any effects on the wheel with any sim , unless I use the acuforce wheel but that's because I bought that wheel specifically to test it's telemetry driven FFB and how that can affect sims specifically so I could have a better understanding of how FFB affects driving simulators. I think a radical SR3 is quite a stiff car , I have been around a track in one and both AC and RF2 did quite a good job.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I am OK with your answer, to a point. I still have a CSL Elite (which I freaking need to put on sale) and bang for buck, at the price point back then, it was awesome, but Fanatec DDs are underwhelming and this is known/public knowledge. I know that being an affiliate of the brand will give you special perks which will make you gloss over its shortcomings and, consequently, hinder your objectivity... As for Max... well, he is "scarred" by rF2 so he could be in the hands of a master torturer that probably he would do his best to avoid complimenting it. I know that a few years ago he stated publicly that the Marussia F1 (free/stock content in rF2) was the only "retail" F1 sim experience that felt somewhat close to the real thing. I will not comment on RSS and VRC's Formula 1 most recent mods as I have not tried them, but the late 1990's Endurance Pack from RSS is - within mods with clout - on the underwhelming side of the sim spectrum in my opinion. As an example, I have driven a Ferrari 333 done by a rF2 modding group - StormGangSimulation* - that feels 1 million times more believable. * one of its members and "chief physicist" is a mechanical engineer working for a major manufacturer... and precisely on their rFPro simulators. But again, I agree with you: a racing simulation which does not gives you a "seat in the pants" feel is worthless in my eyes: I want the illusion of driving a race car and AC also delivers that - albeit, in my opinion, at a lesser level than rF2. In a nutshell, I am not keen on "Racing Engineer Simulators"... It's obviously good if that is also in place, but it's secondary, as the driver may give his input, but surely is not involved in fine tuning a car's ECU, the brake mapping, etc...
I love you bashing ACC, I'm all for it, fuck that game honestly. It's optimized like dog shit, AI is boring, rain physics is unrealistic and the force feedback is total crap. ACC GT3 cars drive and feel like bricks, and I got 500+ hours on that game. These GT-M cars feel alive on Assetto Corsa in comparison
You would think that the manufacturers would want and give out the rights to expose themselves even greater. This is better than a TV commercial but yet they have all these copyrights which is to me complete BS. You have to buy the rates for them to advertise is that it? Think about it
Ohhh, Yaaay, aaaanother GT3 car...... what GM, it's made by Race Sim Studio (RSS) I hear you say...... then YAAAY, another RSS GT-M Car ; ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I agree with your comments on ACC and AC. I gave up with ACC about a year back as I just don't think it's realistic. I drive AC, AMS2 and Raceroom regularly and ACC sits idle in my steam menu. Re the RSS Mercer, it's an excellent car, but I think the Lux and Lanzo from their recent GT3 offerings are even better.
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 of course I do, I'm sat in my room not in an actual car. Simracing will never truly be fully realistic so why not have extra effects that makes the driving more enjoyable and makes up for the lack of g forces
@@turbobrick3419 if simracing never will truly be realistic then why bother with laser scanned tracks? You are never gonna be on the IRL track. Why bother with accurate car physics? You're not gonna be driving IRL. Why call the f1 series as sim Cade then?
Hate to brake it to you but not getting vital information for how the car is moving at the limit and where the limit of grip is in high detail is also totally unrealistic, as you can feel all these things in a real car easily. So if you want a dead FFB wheel that's "realistic" great enjoy your first person remote control car driving. No dynamic range for the limit when playing a sim is literally less realistic than having that in some abstract way.
I do have to agree with bald man here.. ACC does that classic mistake of "let's take out all the fundamental frequencies" - sure it's a good sound and it's crisp and detailed and... Well it's lacking bass. It's just lacking bass. So many sims are lacking the rumble. No idea why.
Objectively speaking acc sound is more detailed. Same goes for ACC ffb and physics. GM just prefers AC and that's fine. When he says AC sounds better than ACC what he's really saying is it sounds better to him
@@utkarshchaurasia2233man, the guy said acc sounds like they put a microphone in a cockpit and not through a helmet .. like wtf is this guy talking about Talking about ? He just reaching to find any little thing he likes better than ACC.. his fan girling over AC is getting annoying .. that’s why I stopped watching 98% of his stuff .. this being the first thing I’ve watched of his in the last few months ,and only watched the first 3 minutes lmao
No I specified exactly what the issue is because talking about what I like subjectively is pointless for viewers. 1) you can better hear aspects of sound that are pertinent to driving the car better in , iracing , this car in AC and other cars in other sims compared to lots of cars in ACC , RPM, tire noises , road scrub ect 2) Aspects of ACCs audio can sound repetitive and looped and as a result quite greating if you drive for a long time , this is an issue with lots of sims 3) Some cars in ACC the sounds are loud / overly compressed sounding with a lack of lower frequencies , the sterio depth also sounds somewhat off which again can be really greating over time , AMS2 also has this issue with lots of cars. 4) the sound in ACC is superficially very loud and impressive as the cars don't sound "bad" but the sounds ironically like the FFB lack the dynamic range that you find in other sims that for sure don't sound as exciting or "raw" for example iracing. 5) lots of mod cars and cars for AC also have this overbearing sound quality to them and cars in other sims. 6) I don't think ACC sound is "bad" it's just massively overated , as were some mods back for RF1 and AC largely due to how loud they are. I most appreciate car sounds that are "in tune" have realistic spacial depth and help paint detail for the physics of a sim. Some cars in real life also sound hurendus if you are around them for a while , but also a helmet which you would always be wearing in some cars dramatically changes the tone of sound the driver actually experiences. Also if you play a sim on speakers VS headphones can have a big effect, I use senhiser 599s as they are quite neutral headphones for most things (not the best headphones for classical music or vocals or if you were doing pure studio work, but very good for all round listening) to
Maybe I'm talking about what I'm talking about ? IE cars sound different when you are in them with a helmet on vs when you listen to raw cabin audio. Lots of cars in real life the more prominent aspect of the engine is the seat vibrating , not the specific engine note , even if you can hear a car very clearly. A helmet also massively changes the spatial nature of the sound and the tone.
All of RSS cars are superb so this should be too! Cant sniff at that price at all. Instant buy.
Got the RSS complete 2023 pack. So good!! Also I used to really enjoy AMS2 but lately I drove the F40 GTO mod on that and AC. The GTO cars in AC are so good.
Only multiplayer support has kept me from getting proper hooked on AC. All the other stuff is just so damn good. I wish some sort of well thought-out add-on multiplayer system could be added to Content Manager... that would bring people back from ACC to AC.
what exactly is missing from the multiplayer? sure the server browser is antiquated but theres ALWAYS dozens of servers running plus content manager has 3 online live race services built in. Im curious what youre missing?
@@BadWallaby Ranked system like other sims have. Like Iracing for example. People don`t want to open accounts on different platforms/services just to play ranked in AC , it should be implemented in the game .
I'd like the ACC players to stay there please, the rest of sim racing doesn't need them.
i hope you already heared of lowfuelmotorsport? if not they host every other hour races on AC they even have LMH and touring cars =)
Gamer. I recently rediscovered AC after installing the AC content manager. I've been looking for some good GT3 cars. Thanks to this video, it looks as if I've found some cars in this Race Sim Studio pack. Please do reviews on the complete set of cars in the pack.
Nailed it, James: “It comes back like rubber.” That is what I have been missing in ACC all along.
Spent the day hammering around Nords in VR and Agree, much better than anything in ACC.
Finally got a hold of the exact OMP wheel you are using. Came all the way from Latvia to the USA via eBay. Excellent wheel!
Yah really good all rounder , I even use it for formula cars 😆😅 I'd say only thing it's bad for is nascar/oval
I think it does , I mean looking at the video look at how the car can dance on the road ... Compare that to any car in ACC that moves like a sledge full of bricks. That's not to say ACC can't be fun LFM is amazing and ACC is still great value for money just a shame ACC lost the AC pasta source. Great Job by RSS as always This car gets a thumbs up for me even as a GT3 hater :P
Didn't expect anything less from them! This studio is amazing
Please can you post your ffb settings in game, csp ffb tweaks, and fanatec driver? I have a Fanatec dd1
@@vfragos Do not use any csp ffb tweaks mate...they are not good. Just the "Custom soft lock " is ok wich was implemented in the latest csp version . The gyro implementation is broken and so the other settings from the csp ffb tweaks.
We need some GT3 driver to compare 'em lol
Well I don't quite agree with you. In acc you can slide the car on corner entry as well and also in asset to corsa you can't really use all of the track. This is a huge problem as in IRL gt3 you use all of the track width whereas in AC if you try that you just spin out
The new rss physics for gt3 cars feels even better
Have they updated the GT & GTN physics as well?
@@vaenii5056 I got new phsx for amg gt3, and dbr9 was already with it as the all new cars like lambo evo2, lexus rcf etc ^_^
As I know not all cars has been updated
You should do a comparison across all current sim titles with this same car on the same track (AC, ACC, AMS2, RF2, iRacing, R3E) to compare how each game handles
He does that literally every second he streams! :D
He’s going to choose AC over any sim. Even tho rf2 probably has the best FFB
@@NielsHeusinkveld Yeah.. but when it comes to streams he's chatting about, he should drive the cars on video across the sims and give opinions in real time
@@zeekot4064 I wouldn't blame him tbh
@@NielsHeusinkveld it's definitely a mental health condition
Bald tea-enjoyer triggers entire internet with one video title
That sock combo is triggering me....
Curious what wheelbase and FFB settings you’re running. I can’t get AC to feel anywhere as good as ACC (or iRacing), using a Simucube.
AC was easy for me with scp2. I used 2 or 3 paddock profiles and then tweaked them slightly. I used 3 that had fairly different feelings and then used the differences in a few sliders to make my own version. One thing that helped me the most was to use 0.99 for the slew rate. GL
You beauty. I got the email and thought, gamermuscle will have flexed this bad boy and hit the old upload buttoné. Muchos gracias amigoid.
I'm new to AC and SimRacing in general. Just built a whole setup with a DD wheel, shifter, pedals, and stand and got into AC. Looking for some good GT cars. Is this still a good pack to look into or is there better now?
I’m a fan boy, a fan boy of realism and AC delivers that in spades!
You have 1 week from now to test RaceRoom extensively.
All content can be tested free of charge.
You'll also have a world-class connection to the asphalt, just like in rF2 or AC.
But just much more and in greater detail.
Have the courage to test it. 😁👍
Are you using extended physics in content manager mate? Not sure if I should enable that. Cheers.
Don`t enable anything there but the " Custom soft lock "
extended physics is great, the other guy doesn't know what he's blathering on about. custom soft lock is in ffb settings and has nothing to do whatsoever with extended physics. you also have to go to settings -content manager-drive and make sure in the quick drive section that "allow to use patch cars data " is checked . then it works perfectly.
@@FatswellSmart What are you on about ?! 😅 "Custom soft lock (smoother and less bouncy) " is in Custom Shaders Patch/FFB TWEAKS and has been added in the latest CSP update (0.1.80-preview218) preview version . Stop talking bs !
@@FatswellSmart Extended physics is still in beta and it changes the ffb in a bad way... It is implemented to be used with rain wich is still in beta ! If you don't use extended physics rain has no effect on the tires but imo it is not great. Is experimental !!!
@@HDRGamingHub really you don't like it? i think it feels great most of the time. definitely better with some cars than others though i will admit.
I love AC and AMS2 for car feel and the feeling of actual tyre feel through the wheel, but as always the online racing doesn’t come close to iracing, so despite the fact iracing is nowhere near as much fun to drive and doesn’t feel like rubber on the road (at least to me anyway), it remains popular purely for the online participation. I racing also does weight transfer and the feeling of car weight the best in my opinion. But when ever I jump in AC or AMS I always start smiling!
the sound of the V8 is eargasm..
I know it's been 6 months since this video, have you tried the rest of the cars? All of the cars in the GT-M pack are eargasm. From the outside on the replays they're so close to the real cars watching them in person at a race, it's amazing how good it is. The Lambo V10 down shifting and popping on upshifts, etc., I can't get enough of that V10.
I don't know if its maybe my type of wheel but the FFB of ACC feels really good
People like to hate on ACC FFB cause there's no special effects. There's only the forces from the front tyres. Cause it's trying to be realistic. Some like this, some don't. Some want all info from all tyres in the wheel.
I never enjoyed ACC, I recently purchased from RSS theee Aston Martin GT (OMG) and the 86 F1 (OMG) this is smthg🎉
I dunno why LFM did Rfactor 2 instead of AC 1
Is there a rF2 AMG GT3?
Somebody did compare Porsche at Imola, would be interesting to re-visit.
The best feeling ever to drive an amg in rf2
You MUST do a live stream with this combo!
Have you used Maurice's Fanalab settings for ACC? Do you dislike the ffb with these settings aswell? I never thought the ACC ffb was bad in the first place but I think it's much much better - even perfect - with the mentioned Fanalab settings.
I have played ACC on just about every wheel on the market , No wheel settings can make the FFB have detail that's simply not there.
You need to play AC with a wheel set up properly , the FFB fidelity is literally incomparable , RF2 AMS2 , R3E all have far more detailed FFB than ACC.
I love the updated Lambo from RSS . Is sooo good now !
when did Max speak about AC/ACC?
Assetto Curba just keeps getting better
For me, the ACC's feedback excels over every sim, it's up there with rF2. However, AC has a 'weightier' ffb feel, making it easier to feel the suspension and the weight shift of the car better. A combination of both would be perfect. And the RSS mods are always top notch
ACC literally has no dynamic range at the limit , the only thing ACC does better than AC are track bumps / suspension compression / vibrations and bumps.
Once a car is already under load through a corner and in AC you still have detail for grip at the limit , ACC once the car is loaded into corner there is nothing.
Honestly ACC has the least detailed FFB for actually finding and driving on the limit of any sim , it's just super abrupt and aggressive for self aligning which makes it really easy to not lose the rear.
ACC physics are also super bland at the limit cars drive like sledges stuck in trajectories with the ocational passenger slide. This is probably why it's ffb is so bad.
If you set up a wheel properly with AC there is no conceivable way one could come to the conclusion ACC has more information in FFB to drive from.
Even iracing which has terrible slick tire physics and super bland ffb has way more detail and dynamic range to it's ffb than ACC.
I switched back to AC from ACC months ago lol The amount of content available on RaceDepartment ALONE is enough to keep me busy for years lol. I have TRIPLED the amount of career mode events and have several "irl" seasons to play through in championships. Not to mention to staggering amount of cars and tracks ive downloaded lol AC is just the best sim out there right now PERIOD.
all i want is some one to make a shutuko revival project playable in single player with AI cars not just traffic
Does this RSS mod drive even better than GamerMuscle?
Sorry, I'll take next cab.
personally im waiting for them to do a porsche
That will be so good , I'm a huge fan of how porsche cars drive with lift off oversteer.
URD is releasing the newest Porsche soon, so that is going to be fun for sure
URD has a very good Porsche for gt3
@@timseed8889 i don't like it, i prefer the guerilla mods version
Rss will be better, @@timseed8889
This car drives like a joy!.
Sim Racing System, (SRS) Come back and get your servers running with these cars!
all gaming youtubers hype up these incredible cars but at the end of the day, they are a niche inside our already niche hobby
If I want to get the into some servers for quick online racing, it's sadly still circling monza in acc
I prefer ACC's feel and FFB over AC.
That's fine , But AC has way more detail.
@@GamerMuscleVideos yeah ac definitely has more fake details but acc has better feel for the front tyres
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 AC literally has more detail for the front tires and what the tires are doing like thats really why its so good compared to other sims ffb.
@@GamerMuscleVideos yes in your opinion. In my opinion acc has better Nd more realistic detail
It's literally the same 🤷🏻😂
Better than ACC?......... Absolutely!!!!!😊 Plus I can actually use it on my favorite track. That's one of ACC's biggest drawbacks. keep up the great content! Cheers!
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I find it interesting how much praise AC gets from you but not so much for RSS. This car is better than any Kunos car and that deserves recognition.
I've been using rF2 for the last 6+ months with GT3/GTE/LMP2/Hypercar racing (against AI). This is the first mod that's taken me away from Rf2. The stock setups are straight up garbage, I actually thought the physics was broken on all of the cars. They're setup for extreme understeer and way too safe. Changed the setup on each car I drive and they all come alive and are amazing to drive, and they sound AMAZING. Half the races I've done I'll go back to watch one or two laps of the race and then zone out and end up watching the entire race replay because the cars look so good and sound sooooooo good.
Hey mate do you have any setup tips for these cars I can’t get them to handle predictably at all on the limit
@@BlastBeatsFTWHey yeah basically just changing the anti roll bars, differential preload, brake bias.
Anti-roll bars the softer they are the more grip the car has in general. So if you make the front softer, it'll turn in better, if you make the back stiffer, it'll come around easier when you get on the throttle, etc. Mess around with those, in general with the GT-M cars, making the front softer helps because a lot of them are setup for understeer.
I usually setup the differential preload to maximum nm. It makes the back of the car more controllable when you're giving it more throttle coming out of the corner. It's kind of an old rF2 cheat, but it works here too.
Brake bias I usually set it a little more to the rear, but this is a track to track thing.
Also, I think the AC braking physics is the issue here, but I usually max out the brake power to the 115%. I've noticed with AC you can 100% the brakes and basically never lock them up, it's not realistic that way. So I over power the brakes to make it more realistic where you need to modulate the brakes. Even with that setup, I usually have the ABS around 1 or 2. That's one of the biggest issues for me an AC is that it almost has unlimited braking in the physics system.
Again the main thing for me is the preload and the anti-roll bar setup and getting it where the car has a little bit of oversteer. You'll feel it becomes a lot more active and you can actually spin the car if you're not being careful, or over power it on corner exit and spin it too.
The only thing I'll say about doing all of this though is that you'll over power the AI in an AI race. When I do AI races I only change the TC/ABS/Preload/11% Brake Power/Brake Bias. Like the smaller things. If you make the car too good, the AI is way too easy to beat. But if you basically use the stock setup that they have to use, you can get some good racing in with the GT-M cars.
Thanks for the tips! Much appreciated
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I challange anyone to find any GM content video where he does not praise AC ffb.
I fired this up in Sebring and can’t pull away.
why aren't there more assetto Corsa gt3 leagues only acc?
ACC is a simple cohesive package that is mostly GT3 cars / lots of GT3 cars and LFM
ACC has a more complex tire model and technically speaking more detailed GT3 cars , they just for whatever reason drive like sledges compared to AC1.
where's the tea cup holder? terrible mod.
Don't worry, even if it is better everyone will still play ACC anyway.
yeah because ac never got proper multiplayer system... same as acc. LFM saved the acc.
@@vecnejhipik5349 and also because acc feels better
I agree with the spirit of the video, but...
AC is a very balmy sim, it's a romantic piece of software and even more with all the modding. It's a product of the combined passion of the creators and the modders.
This mod does look and sound really nice and I am sure that it's very fun to drive, but it seems to me a romantic representation of the AMG GT3 car.
The stiffness and emotion deprived way in how a GT3 car interacts with the track, is seemingly represented in ACC correctly, which is a piece of software which - at least in a great part of its intent - is a more clinical and cut and dry approach to simracing.
A Venn diagram would show a very significant percentage of simracers enjoying both sims, but at the extremes you'll find two completely different types of people: "simdrivers" at the far side of AC's spectrum and "competitive simracers" at the far side of ACC's spectrum.
The latter are attracted to the claimed precision of the simulation, even if that attempt at recreating a physical reality - simulating it - results in a sensorially pauper experience. For them, the "sole" pleasure comes from competing, having rankings, ratings, titles, ...
So, although I do agree with the spirit, I must say that you can have both elements at a very high-level and, in my opinion, it's on rFactor 2 that you get the best sensorial experience as a whole (FFB/NewSound/Newer free and DLC content), whilst at the same time not falling prey to romanticism, to the point of distorting the simulation willingly, resulting in the quality of the simulation element on the cars which use the most recent tyre parameters, having no parallel elsewhere.
Max Verstappen thinks AC is the best sim for training F1 and GT cars , He plays iRacing , RF2 , AC and a rather good F1 driver.
RF2 is great in many ways as are other sims , but for driving in the dry in optimal conditions nothing captures the nature of a tire at the limit along with the FFB to drive from as you drive in real life as AC does , RF2 lacks some of the detail you have in AC1 for the limit in FFB and RF2 with many of is cars even good ones suffers from he same issue ACC,iRacing have which is cars have a set trajectory going into the corners with the driver not having full control over slip and combined slip as you have with real cars, I do think this Combined slip aspect of AC is probably from some cheesy code but the end result is a car that drives like a real car so its the best we got. ( RF2 is on another level better than ACC and iRacing though to be clear - I personally like the GT3 cars in RF2 as well )
@@GamerMuscleVideos I think your hardware lets you down when driving in rF2. Not sure what are your settings, but Fanatec's DD firmware is not great - at all - and you may have found the sweet-spot for AC that gives you an optimal result, whilst you could be missing the mark on rF2.
rF2's FFB is best when you have the wheelbase's effects at zero or the minimum and just interpreting the raw FFB signal.
Note: as i said, I really like how AC sells the illusion of driving, so I understand your point of view, but on stiffer cars it misses the mark, in my opinion and the physics, generally, are on the "friendly side". Even in mods like the vaunted IER P13C, fully exploiting the CSP extended physics.
@@valter_vava74 I have 4 DD wheels , 3 belt wheels , a FFB joystick and have helped set up racing sim centres with multiple wheels and have used hundreds of simrigs set up by other people from home rigs to professional rigs to entertainment rigs , using all the simulators out there.
As a result I think I have a good idea as to the qualities of each sims FFB how they work with different wheels and what settings do what.
If AC misses the mark on stuffer cars why do multiple people I know that own race cars and are fast drivers like it over every other sims ? And why would max verstappen like it the most for F1 and GT ?
I personally don't run any effects on the wheel with any sim , unless I use the acuforce wheel but that's because I bought that wheel specifically to test it's telemetry driven FFB and how that can affect sims specifically so I could have a better understanding of how FFB affects driving simulators.
I think a radical SR3 is quite a stiff car , I have been around a track in one and both AC and RF2 did quite a good job.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I am OK with your answer, to a point.
I still have a CSL Elite (which I freaking need to put on sale) and bang for buck, at the price point back then, it was awesome, but Fanatec DDs are underwhelming and this is known/public knowledge.
I know that being an affiliate of the brand will give you special perks which will make you gloss over its shortcomings and, consequently, hinder your objectivity...
As for Max... well, he is "scarred" by rF2 so he could be in the hands of a master torturer that probably he would do his best to avoid complimenting it.
I know that a few years ago he stated publicly that the Marussia F1 (free/stock content in rF2) was the only "retail" F1 sim experience that felt somewhat close to the real thing.
I will not comment on RSS and VRC's Formula 1 most recent mods as I have not tried them, but the late 1990's Endurance Pack from RSS is - within mods with clout - on the underwhelming side of the sim spectrum in my opinion.
As an example, I have driven a Ferrari 333 done by a rF2 modding group - StormGangSimulation* - that feels 1 million times more believable.
* one of its members and "chief physicist" is a mechanical engineer working for a major manufacturer... and precisely on their rFPro simulators.
But again, I agree with you: a racing simulation which does not gives you a "seat in the pants" feel is worthless in my eyes:
I want the illusion of driving a race car and AC also delivers that - albeit, in my opinion, at a lesser level than rF2.
In a nutshell, I am not keen on "Racing Engineer Simulators"...
It's obviously good if that is also in place, but it's secondary, as the driver may give his input, but surely is not involved in fine tuning a car's ECU, the brake mapping, etc...
And now LFM supports AC so I just wasted $60 on ACC lol
I love you bashing ACC, I'm all for it, fuck that game honestly. It's optimized like dog shit, AI is boring, rain physics is unrealistic and the force feedback is total crap. ACC GT3 cars drive and feel like bricks, and I got 500+ hours on that game. These GT-M cars feel alive on Assetto Corsa in comparison
Will be nice for the 13 people who try it
Make that 14..😂
hundreds, possibly even thousands have already downloaded this illegally just saying.............
@@FatswellSmartwhat do you mean by illegally?
@@maxieboythey didn't pay for it, they pirated it. Like the cars.
Bought it the moment I got the email from rss!
You would think that the manufacturers would want and give out the rights to expose themselves even greater. This is better than a TV commercial but yet they have all these copyrights which is to me complete BS. You have to buy the rates for them to advertise is that it? Think about it
I love this car it the only thing I drive since I got it......but, URDs SNX drives just as goog.
Are you back on an ultra wide
I use a wide window on my OLED as it ends up being very comfortable and looks nice in videos.
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Ohhh, Yaaay, aaaanother GT3 car...... what GM, it's made by Race Sim Studio (RSS) I hear you say...... then YAAAY, another RSS GT-M Car ; ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I agree with your comments on ACC and AC. I gave up with ACC about a year back as I just don't think it's realistic. I drive AC, AMS2 and Raceroom regularly and ACC sits idle in my steam menu.
Re the RSS Mercer, it's an excellent car, but I think the Lux and Lanzo from their recent GT3 offerings are even better.
I'd say more than not, most sims are better than ACC.
If you like ffb with fake effects then sure
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 of course I do, I'm sat in my room not in an actual car. Simracing will never truly be fully realistic so why not have extra effects that makes the driving more enjoyable and makes up for the lack of g forces
@@turbobrick3419 if simracing never will truly be realistic then why bother with laser scanned tracks? You are never gonna be on the IRL track. Why bother with accurate car physics? You're not gonna be driving IRL. Why call the f1 series as sim Cade then?
Hate to brake it to you but not getting vital information for how the car is moving at the limit and where the limit of grip is in high detail is also totally unrealistic, as you can feel all these things in a real car easily.
So if you want a dead FFB wheel that's "realistic" great enjoy your first person remote control car driving.
No dynamic range for the limit when playing a sim is literally less realistic than having that in some abstract way.
I'm just wondering... why are you taking a stab at ACC at every given opportunity even when nobody asked?
Its the nest one i have ever driven.
Blue = brake White = waaaa waaaaa waaaaaaa viva la AC fan-bois and fan-gurlz everywhere
I am starting to think you like AC.
8 years of kunos ACC development beaten by a £3 car from RSS.... 😱
Holy shit! Has it really been the long?!
@@aarongreen121 no 5-6
Nope
I like the sounds in ACC but my god it's boring as hell to drive.
Which sim you find exciting to drive ?
It will seem boring to you because you will be terrible
RSS are legends
I'm not watching this.
You are so funny
'Promo SM'
Yes it is a nice car. Way to go RSS.
Doesn’t sound better than acc .. is that a joke ? Lmao I’m not the biggest acc fan but that is the best sounding sim
I do have to agree with bald man here.. ACC does that classic mistake of "let's take out all the fundamental frequencies" - sure it's a good sound and it's crisp and detailed and... Well it's lacking bass. It's just lacking bass. So many sims are lacking the rumble. No idea why.
Objectively speaking acc sound is more detailed. Same goes for ACC ffb and physics. GM just prefers AC and that's fine. When he says AC sounds better than ACC what he's really saying is it sounds better to him
@@utkarshchaurasia2233man, the guy said acc sounds like they put a microphone in a cockpit and not through a helmet .. like wtf is this guy talking about Talking about ? He just reaching to find any little thing he likes better than ACC.. his fan girling over AC is getting annoying .. that’s why I stopped watching 98% of his stuff .. this being the first thing I’ve watched of his in the last few months ,and only watched the first 3 minutes lmao
No I specified exactly what the issue is because talking about what I like subjectively is pointless for viewers.
1) you can better hear aspects of sound that are pertinent to driving the car better in , iracing , this car in AC and other cars in other sims compared to lots of cars in ACC , RPM, tire noises , road scrub ect
2) Aspects of ACCs audio can sound repetitive and looped and as a result quite greating if you drive for a long time , this is an issue with lots of sims
3) Some cars in ACC the sounds are loud / overly compressed sounding with a lack of lower frequencies , the sterio depth also sounds somewhat off which again can be really greating over time , AMS2 also has this issue with lots of cars.
4) the sound in ACC is superficially very loud and impressive as the cars don't sound "bad" but the sounds ironically like the FFB lack the dynamic range that you find in other sims that for sure don't sound as exciting or "raw" for example iracing.
5) lots of mod cars and cars for AC also have this overbearing sound quality to them and cars in other sims.
6) I don't think ACC sound is "bad" it's just massively overated , as were some mods back for RF1 and AC largely due to how loud they are. I most appreciate car sounds that are "in tune" have realistic spacial depth and help paint detail for the physics of a sim.
Some cars in real life also sound hurendus if you are around them for a while , but also a helmet which you would always be wearing in some cars dramatically changes the tone of sound the driver actually experiences.
Also if you play a sim on speakers VS headphones can have a big effect, I use senhiser 599s as they are quite neutral headphones for most things (not the best headphones for classical music or vocals or if you were doing pure studio work, but very good for all round listening) to
Maybe I'm talking about what I'm talking about ?
IE cars sound different when you are in them with a helmet on vs when you listen to raw cabin audio.
Lots of cars in real life the more prominent aspect of the engine is the seat vibrating , not the specific engine note , even if you can hear a car very clearly.
A helmet also massively changes the spatial nature of the sound and the tone.