AGT MAGIC!! Is it GOOD or BAD for Magicians?!
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Are America's Got Talent, BGT and Fool us, good or bad for magicians? I often get approached to perform on these shows but have a few reservations about them. Just thought I'd let you know where I stand in the whole TV Magic realm. Let me know your thoughts about it, is it good for magic or is it destroying the art? I'd love to hear from both sides. :)
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I agree with you on AGT but as for Penn and Teller Fool Us I don't see that as a competition about ratings on TV, obviously they do still care about the ratings but they either fool Penn and Teller or they don't. it's not about who's the best, it's about coming up with cool new ways of performing magic that can fool even the most professional magicians around and I think that's really cool and will really push magic to the next level.
Nathgamer, was looking for a comment like yours to agree. I'm lazy.
Nathgamer it is still a competition, but everyone is competing against Penn and Teller. To a certain extent this is a method of feeding their ego.
Nathgamer I do agree FU has taken out the competitive aspect as much as possible. But I think the trade off is that the judging is extremely suspect. Lots of those outcomes have really weird edits. Jay Sankey actually fooled P&T; later he hinted he wasn't supposed to and so didn't. It's just as easy for the duo to fake being fooled when they weren't. I don't for one second believe Mac King fooled them.
Otherwise it's a very entertaining show and good for the art.
It is not in any way about feeding their ego. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. As performers no one can deny that they're some of the best magicians alive today, but they are not claiming to be all-knowing. The real reason they do that show is because they want to be fooled. They talk about that all the time. They also want to encourage a new age of magic in which people are developing new methods. That brings the magic community into the future instead of relying solely on hundred year old sleights.
Penn and Teller do put ratings in first place because that's how the market works in TV bizz sadly. However, as they are a magic show they are allowed more room for talking about how amazing a magician actually is to pull of what he did even though they saw what he did. That's one major difference what makes Fool Us a far better platform than AGT but still not the most ideal way of branding yourself compared to building your own brand.
This is why I like close-up pure sleight of hand magic..shows the true skills of magicians.
+The Golden Tortoise what do you mean?
I like Fool Us, I see it more as a display than a competition; like an excuse to show new young magician. AGT is totally a competition, which does not have any logic because you can compare a dance act with a singer and a magician.
Jose Manzol i agree even if the the performer doesn't fool them penn always says how good it was anyway
Thanks Matthew.
This is great! I've auditioned for AGT in the past, and I waited 9 hours for a 90 second audition. Then, it took about 9-10 weeks to find out I didn't make it.
I would've rather been told that I didn't make it right then and there.
I'm a layperson and I saw this, Chris. I watch about 90% of your vids. You have a unique personality that keeps me watching. I even watch the tutorial vids even though I don't plan on learning. But all this is to say that I wish the best for you and that you succeed beyond your wildest imagination.
What do YOU THINK about Magic on AGT? Is it good? Is it bad? I want to hear both sides!
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Chris Ramsay it's good to watch and it can be entertaining I wish the best magicians and most creative to move on
Chris Ramsay I think it can be incredibly entertaining and sometimes very inspiring but it never seems to really last it's a short term "careerl
Chris Ramsay I don't watch it to see who wins and loses. I just watch the acts themselves on UA-cam to see good magic.
"I'd rather have 281k followers who care " very heart touching bro! Keep up the good work!
IMO these shows can give great platform for "smaller" performers, i first learned of shin lim when he was in fool us
Wizard Wars S1 e10 This was the one you were in with Spidey. Cant find it online tho
Some "unknown" magicians benefit from the popularity of these shows. In most cases they are more well known than before and even if their performance doesn't go viral, they probably get more gigs and chances to perform for people. Thats one reason, why these contests may be supporting. On the other hand, this "popularity" may be just for a short time.
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Wizard Wars is now available on UA-cam, except episode 7.
Hey Chris I'm glad you've decided to make a video about this after the discussion on the live stream, much respect for you bro
Totally understand your point of view! Would be great to see you making interviews, sessions or smth like that with your magic friends. Just as you, I think magic is an artform, and best inspiration comes from artists themselfes, in this case magicians.
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Chris Ramsay, ive always have love magic, earlier this year I found your channel and because of it I really got in to magic.
these thoughts were simply ♥
we would have never seen AGT this way , all thanks to you 🙂
Do you think Fool Us treats the image of their guests better than AGT? I can't imagine Penn and Teller want to tarnish the image of any magician especially the ones who put their whole life into such as most who are on their show. Also, Chris are you going to the 52 get together in Buffalo?
Tyler Smith There is going to be a meet-up in Buffalo? I haven't seen anything on this, can you please fill me in?
I agree with you. However even not winning is still winning. Ask Piff the Magic Dragon. He is SUPER nice btw. Answers any questions at his shows.
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Chris, this is exactly what makes you the type of artist that stays "underground" and inspires others who reach higher heights. But that's also what creates respect for you. Thanks for your videos and viewpoints, even the times you circle the drain like you do here, you really truly show a lot. It's great to have somebody lifting the veil of varying platforms.
You brought up some interesting things, and it was enlightening. Never thought of it those ways! Love your videos! Keep going!
This video really gave me goosebumps. Great video Chris.❤❤
You are so down to earth. This is wonderful. This is wat the internet needs. No matter what job or accupation one keeps him/herself busy with. Thanks for being here!
This video told me a lot about you.. i like your thinking.
Hi Chris I'm a newcomer magician and you got me started in magic. And I thank you 😊
To be honest, Magic on AGT get me this I mean I become fond magic and I found Chris Ramsay on UA-cam ;)
I think you are completely right. The thing is That with UA-cam you have grown a friendship with you viewers who most of the time share a passion with you but if you go on to one of the shows you never grow a friendship you a just known for being good at something but you forget about them the next day
So thank you for making these videos and I hope you can just keep doing what you love
one thing that "tv magic" does, make people expose to magic... ...but for most of the part you are right ....and also you are only visible to magicians and beginners...
Hey Chris, love your videos!😊 totally get what you're saying and agree with it except for including fool us in this category. Keep it up!
Thanks for the uploads, always inspiring.
Yo Chris. Good thoughts. I'm just a hobbyist, I'll do simple tricks for my students in the classroom from time to time just to be that "cool" teacher (probably doesn't work) but yeah all the time they'll tell me like "yo you should be on AGT!!!" and it's always like...right after I do a self-working trick and so like in my head I'm just like "no. no I should not." And so now thanks to this video I can have that discussion with them of like art for art's sake, not art for the sake of competition, etc. so THANK YOU for bringing this up and giving me some framework/talking points to give to my students when they blow things out of proportion. Appreciate it.
It's quite an amazing community. I've messaged pretty big names in the magic industry and 90% of the time they take the time to respond genuinely. It's something I will never leave not only for the amazing art that comes with it but the humble people (mostly) that are so real. Which is quite an ironic statement.
I was reminded of something I read from Neil Peart (Drummer- Rush) talking about motorcycle riding he said: "When I see someone improperly dressed, wearing shorts and a T-shirt, I see it as a failure of imagination. They can't imagine what can happen. I cringe, because I can imagine what can happen to them and they seem unable to." I think this VLOG is a good reminder that there is always something that one may not be thinking of, and that no matter what you are doing, think it through, don't let a failure of imagination put you in a position that you weren't prepared for. I think if one has considered all the things you mention, and they still feel that this kind of show would get them where they want to go, they should go for it, but go for it having considered all the possibilities. As always, nice VLOG man.
I really respect how you are always striving to live by your specific and kinda restrictive principles. As a bonus, the fact that a lot of us are unaware of this aspect of magic makes your videos more interesting. Always looking forward to your videos. Keep up the good work.
Good video man, I feel a similar way about those kind of competitions, like not all of them receive the attention and retribution they deserve. Although at the same time, If you don't see it as a competition, it's great to watch so many well presented performances. The middle ground, as you say, is where it's at.
i love the fact you share your thoughts with your fans, it creates something special, keep it up!
I'm with you on everything you've talked about. One thing you didn't mention that I will say is that AGT has been something that has kept magic active in people's minds. I often get compliments saying "You're like X magician on TV!" whether it's an AGT magician or some famous one. This has two benefits: it helps keep me "relevant" to the laymen and also reinforces to me that people are enjoying my magic. I also like to believe that when my presentation reminds people of these "greats" it helps keep me booked for gigs consistently. So all in all: I think these shows help us all long term and you've pretty much nailed the risks that can happen to those who get into things like AGT.
Dude, I agree with what you say completely. You do reach laypeople though! I am one of them, found your channel because of your puzzles and you completely roped me into the magic side. Your channel is amazing and I cant see why you would want to change and alter anything about your current brand. The brand you have built is great and is obviously working really well for you. Big Props💪🏻
thank you for sharing Chris, much love and respect to you!
There are so many layers to you and your work ethics. You an amazing onion:)
Hi Chris, I don't know if you are going to read this, but I feel like writing it. Nowadays I'm passing through some difficult cultural shock and my life is just upside down, but watching your videos are making me much happier. You have an incredible carisma and it's just great to see your passion for magic. I wish you the best with this channel, one day I'll be in you "React to bad magic" when I post my first routine hahaha.
Luck,
Fernando.
Hey Chris, i just watched this video and i have to say this now.
I'm 23 years old now and i startet following my Dream and my Passion about ohne year ago,
It's not Magic, I'm a Diving Instructor in Thailand at the moment, but anyway about two years ago
I startend getting into magic, I'm not Deep Deep into magic like maybe you, but I definitiy know to appreciate the work
And hours of training that go into this artform, because I know a few tricks and am able to do so some slight of hand,i know to a certain extend what amount of work you Guys put in your perfomences, but back to why i'm here, about 2 years ago i Started following you on youtube, and I've really enjoyed your work, and i just want to thank you for beeing a Great magician, with a Great attitude and absolutley amazing Performance Skills, i want to thank your for all of that, and the Videos you make are Creative, enjoyable and fuck me did I learn a lot by watching them...
Anyway i Hope your doing Great out there in canada, i wish you all the best and Keep up the good work man
Thank you !
Chris is probably the most genuine and humble person on UA-cam all in all. Truly inspiring
Great to know Eric Jones will be on AGT and I do completely agree with ur thoughts Chris regarding this topic.
I really enjoy watching all of your videos over and over. You are fun to listen to and are incredibly smart and easy to learn from. I am glad that you make these videos and inspire in such an amazing way. Please keep it up. I really need this type of stuff to inspire me and encourage me to keep practicing so that I get really good.
I only like watching about 5 magicians on UA-cam and you the one a watch most because it's not just your magic but the cool in you and you also your thoughts to Life is just awesome
the reason I do magic for friends and family is to get to see theys faces get suprised and enjoy the show to bring a smile on theys lips and bring something to people not to compete with any other person.
A lot of young men are looking up to you and your example and it's awesome that they have someone worthwhile to look up to.
I always love your view on things, Chris! Keep it up. Someday we'll jam a little.
Much respect to you Chris. I've said it before, but we can tell that you put a lot of effort into your community and the content that you put out. Thank you for everything you do man.
Chris, I love your perspective on tv magic. i only know you from youtube, but i feel your a genius. i feel you like compleat control of your direction in life and what you have built. persona, confidence and brand. keep up what your doing. barrrrrr :^)
Well put Chris! I agree with you whole heartedly... even though I was on them..... shit.....
You really explained yourself so well here dude, everything resonates.
En fait t'es pas que un super magicien, t'es un super mec tout court! Franchement j'ai l'impression d'etre posé tranquille a la maison avec un frangin quand je regarde tes vidéos. J'adore cette simplicité et cette générosité que tu dégage, ça fait un bien fou dans ce monde de tarés accros au buzz ^^ Continue comme ça bro !
Chris you never cease to amaze me. Thanks for standing up for the arts. Why must we keep competing for 1st place amongst each other? Let's just enjoy each others skills and share the magic. Art is not a contest it is self expression.
I am a total layman as far as magic and cardistry is concerned. I watch makeup reviews and tutorials, Shane Dawson videos, and science based content and for some reason your video showed up in my feed. Ever since I have been binge watching all of your videos and I find your channel endlessly entertaining. So, I want you to know that I feel you have hit the sweet spot of being entertaining to magicians, cardists, puzzle lovers, and LAYPEOPLE. Keep it up and I'll keep watching. Love it.
Good Video Chris. You are by far the best content creator in your category. I absolutely think you don't need to sell yourself out you are successful with what you do and that is enough. You make millions of people happy and you are being true to who you are. Nothing better than that.
I've had such a big issue with a lot of tricks on AGT getting a standing-O that the person just got off the shelf (Invisible deck, ambitious card, that Flipbook deck thingy etc). As far as Penn and teller, i see a difference here, i think aside from ratings Penn and Teller are helping the magic community, getting people started in magic, inspiring others to start in the craft. Personally watching a few performances on Fool Us has given me a bit of creativity to build a few tricks of my own. That's just my opinion :)
You're so right Chris!! You have seen the light!! hahahaa :)
Chris. I'm actually a lay person but I enjoy watching you because you are a very interesting person and your videos are awesome! keep up the good work
Chris, love from India... I really like when you said "Faster you go up, faster you come down".. I believe that.. Thank you big bro...
I agree with about 90% of what you said. You were spot on describing how these competition shows operate. And it applies to all the different shows. It's why I haven't tried out for American idol or the voice despite repeated suggestions that I do.
In the end it really is about what makes them ratings. It's why Idol was quickly known for all the train wrecks that would audition for the panel judges. You have to be good enough to pass a series of panels before auditioning for the celebrity judges on camera and yet how did all of the bad auditions make it? They were selected for being so bad because it got the ratings.
All that being said, I differ from you about one show in particular. Penn and Teller's Fool Us.
I see a big distinction between Fool Us and the super competitive, "there can be only one" type shows like AGT. Fool Us isn't really a competition between magicians. It's a showcase in which each act can win.
They each get the same chance to perform well enough and/or present a routine that simply fools Penn and Teller, who are looking to feel that sense of wonder and awe that magic provides for so many, a feeling they seldom experience anymore since the large majority of magic methods and tricks have been demystified for them through their decades of study of the art form. In essence, the true challenge is to magicians to innovate and expand and create the next generation of effects and techniques. This is probably one of the best ways to engage the magic community to progress the art form and provides the reward of a considerable career boost to each person on the show that isn't at the expense of someone else's efforts.
Penn and Teller also celebrate each magician that comes on. They are very uplifting of each contestant that comes on and presents their best, even if it didn't fool them. They provide positive critiques and praise each performers' visions.
I believe this particular show and it's format helps inspire new talent. I can personally attest that it got me back into seeking out magical knowledge. It introduced back to magic and to many great magicians that I'd never heard of. I saw the ones I really connected with and looked them up. My children were asking to watch more and more and were quickly exposed to a large cross section of different branches of magic. We are all now studying together. It's also true that if it had not been for Fool Us, I wouldn't be on this channel enjoying and connecting with the actual community of aspiring and professional magicians.
On that note, thank you for all that you do and for sticking to your ethics. I appreciated the way that you approached this topic and I feel it garners nothing but respect for your personal decision regarding the matter.
I also want to take this chance to say that you are also truly inspiring and it has been my pleasure to delve into your channel and learn so much. You have truly helped so many people in more ways than one could possibly count and that is truly magical.
Sincerely!
As a caveat, regarding Penn and Teller's Wizard Wars, I would agree that that fits right in with AGT and other competition shows as a show made for ratings and subject to all the points you made in the video.
Big respect man always an inspiration to me as I'm just starting to get into card magic! 😊 like to see someone who can maintain there values 🖒
That light surrounding his pupils when it aligns perfectly looks cool
you stated multiple great points that i never thought of. great video!
Chris all you say is true but do you think that Fool us is exactly like that too? because theres is not a first place and its pen and teller i guess there care more about magic then Agt and BGT.
Ofc you can say 1 is better then the other 1. Slight of hand, what looked the most smooth. If 1 of them failed a bit or not.
That's pretty reasonable. That is actually why I like the concept of Fool Us.
The point there is not the first place but for many magicians to really have the chance to meet Penn and Teller not only as a fan. And the competition is not about the 1rst place but about the actual skills both technical and perfirming judged by two legends. I believe this closes out the factor of personal opinion at least in theory. On the other hand sometimes I realy sure that sometimes P&T just say they've got fooled for the sake of inviting the contestant to their show.
Other than that I think that is the best concept I've seen so far for a specific art branch.
Hey bro! I love your videos and think you are a huge inspiration to me and thousands others. Thankyou for that!
My feel on them is that AGT and BGT is for the magicians who are starting in. It is for the beginners and magicians who are less known. Penn and Teller is for magicians that have done many different things, and they are bigger magicians if that makes since. That is what I think. Also what book recommendation do you have that teaches card control.
Perfect insights on something that I had wondered myself, especially the “not everyone wins”
aspect on shows like these and how that affects “contestant” magicians. I too would rather 1 million followers
even just occasionally watching me perfect my craft rather than 1 million “one night watchers” any day.
Keep up the great work........and thoughts Chris. 👍🏻
I’ve learned so much from you already and looking forward to learning a lot more.
My nephews and mom and dad love the new magic I’ve been able to bring into their lives because of a few
people(on UA-cam)like you.
Thanks.
I have nothing to say..
but i loved all your content Chris!!
Good for you. Stand by principles and ideals and your dedication to the art.
There are some really some Great magicians on AGT, But sometimes it‘s just like circus magic from the 90‘s
Very nuanced discussion of the topic. And I agree when it comes to the "got Talent" shows.
But Penn&Teller is different because multiple performers can fool them and sometimes none of them do.
So lumping this show in with the competition shows IMHO needs some more explanation/justification. I mean it's still a production team behind it, so I'm sure it's not all fine and dandy.
so funny you said that you want to have 10 mil views on youtube instead of tv but you already have more than 23 mil views!! 😂😂 Greay job man keep going!
I'm from the UK, the day after Izzy Simpson aired on BGT. The newspapers built this scandal of her granddad working for the show. Again great words Chris. Peace!
I was legit just thinking about this topic! glad you have your opinion.
Always stay true to yourself Chris. You've got better morals and ethics than 99% of the people I know.
Just listening to you talk kind of makes me relax and think about life more than 30 minutes of meditating 🤔 Good stuff.
Honestly it's kind of ironic, but I only found your channel because of AGT and the pen and teller show. I'm sure there are more people like me you were talking about getting a big influx of viewers a bit back and I was part of that. You appeared in my recommended because of these guys, and I'm glad your channel did. So in a way what I'm saying is that this subject is good for UA-camrs that aren't completely out there yet
Everything you're saying is equally true (if not more) for juggling. Very accurate.
On the other hand AGT, Fool Us, BTG, are making magic much more popular, and inspiring other people to try and do magic tricks. I'm an example of that, I started by seeing magic in these shows, and mostly Fool Us inspired me to do magic. I'm learning for about two months now, and loving so much it. Maybe if wasn't for these shows I wouldn't be doing it now. And specifically Penn and Teller's show teach people a lot on how to react to magic, to not give away everything, and if you are to say something about the performance, do it carefully. I know your side is also something to think about, but in my experience I really love all those magicians on TV as an inspiration.
Totally agree with you Chris! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
I know and respect your Opinion about all this things, but I would like to see u on Fool Us👌 Not to prove how good u are just to see how u handle and work with on TV🤔
Keep up bro, you and your style inspired me to start with Magic. Thx dor that❤
Vairex tv is bullshit man
Don't MessWithTeddy Yeah but i would lile to see how and with which Trick he fool them.
Wow, u aren't just an awesome magician. u are a super awesome human being too
Dude is it just me or is that grid in the background giving people major optical ellusions
IrishFish11 yes it is to me too, I think it's his shadow causing it :) cool effect Chris!
IrishFish11 herman's grid
its not just you
I definitely agree with Chris
Just watched the episode of Fool Us yesterday that Spidey and his other friend were on. That was a pretty great trick.
with this awesome chat in mind. Would you think about reviewing your favourite contest show acts? maybe commentate on any cool moves that you see? I don't know magic but I love learning about this world from a practical angle. There is a lot of context that is very interesting. I'll be watching all the time. Oh btw, I bought your gold knights cards. they are BOSS. soo beautiful and they feel amazing. Is there somewhere where I can go to buy a print of any cards so I can hang them up on my wall as art?
Cheers
It is very cool to have those ring lights in the middle of your eyes. But when you look away from the camera, the rings look a bit awkward when not around your pupils. Just felt like mentioning it.
Definitely love fool us and stuff like that-and also like the publicity magic gains from shows like agt but definitely agree that from a personal point of view it might not be the best option in the long run. -great video-love them all👍
see I wasn't really aware of all the (Hollywood production). guess I never thought of it. but all in all I like agt super entertaining.
I love your passion. I completely can connect with you. I feel the same way about my music. I am building my own platform and my only interest is to connect with people. I wouldn't want anyone to change my concepts in any way and at the end of the day, we control our passion. This video is very inspiring and pushes me to keep working harder. Kudos my friend :)
Great way to have your own opinion and sticking with it. Great video btw
chris would u do more street magic?! cause those videos are just awesome and fun to watch
I'm an Australian magician..
I've only performed in a few cities .. but I've been known to be very intuitive ..
I agree 100% in what you do ..
I support 100% in your morals ...
I'm not exactly a fan .. but in such a non stalker way ..I'm a freakon fan MaN !! lol
Hey could you do an ambitious card tutorial I'm having a hard time finding one
Another grate video!Chris we even like it if you put up some real talk/thoughts videos.So i give you a thumbs up!:D
Sorry mate, the only reason I watch and subscribe to your channel is I happened to watch Shin Lim on Penn & Teller and LOVED it! After scouring You Tube for all his vids I came across your's. Shin just happened to capture my attention to magic of all kinds but mostly card magic. I now actively look for all card magic on You Tube, yours included! I think that is worth something.
That is very true Chris. It is really just a bunch of bull of TV producers and drama. I like to see the show but after hearing you, I want to do something about it. My thoughts are really that if you have a stable platform and it's going well for you, like yours, then their is no need. However, if you are starting out, it might sound like a decent option. I personally would go the UA-cam way but there are a lot of people who would choose AGT OR BGT OR any of these reality shows. Those are my thoughts and I am so waiting for the deck of cards of yours. So excited. Also I am heading up to montreal right now so really wishing to bump into you. Can't wait
Great video Chris!