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I have shade problems on the sides of my house in greater Austin Texas area. I flipped out the entire backyard and the sides of my house with Zyosia Pallisades and thus far I have a a great looking yard where nothing would grow before! It was invented by Texas A&M. It needs 4 hours of sunlight and is drought tolerant. You cut it at 2” max.
Great video, we have planted trees as memorial trees for family members that have passed away and now we have considerable shade from them, which is nice but it’s a challenge now to keep the yard looking nice?! This fall I’ll over-seed the spots that have thinned out due to that shade but this information you’ve provided will help me going forward. Thanks again
Bella KBG plugs... great in heavy shade. Bought mine from Todd Valley Farms. I have less sun than what you're showing and the grass is thriving. It's very thick.... I'm actually shocked how well it's done Your prep recommendations are spot on
Fine fescue in shade does well in southern TN (the very bottom of the transition zone). The fact that it is shady does help, for sure. I have a mixed fescue lawn (mostly high quality stuff - UnitedSeeds SuperTurf I) with fine and creeping red fescue in the shady areas (roughly 750sqft) and it does great other than slowing growth and browning a bit during the hottest and driest times of the year. I do have irrigation, which helps.
Great content for Lawn care. I'm in Va, have a shady yard. 1 Dogwood,3 Magnolia tree's and a Maple. Tall fescue is the only grass I've had success with. Too hot for fine fescue
I grow a fine fescue mix in NC in a heavy shade area. I don't mow it after around April and it isn't irrigated. About 75% of it dies off in the summer. Always convinced it is going to make it then comes August and it gets nuked
I have fine fescue in my front yard in central Virginia... Mix of Creeping Red Fescue/Hard Fescue/Chewnings Fescue/KBG 25/25/25/25... It's doing pretty good... Much better under the trees than in the spots that get more sun this time of year... I only got it started last fall as part of a full reno so it's still been a learning curve as it is not even a year old yet... The parts that get a little more sun definitely need more water than the rest... One of the more sunny areas has also settled a lot more than anticipated with the 50/50 compost/topsoil mix in put on it as part of filling the area which I had to fill in, so that could be part of it that the roots didn't get as deep as hoped with more clay-ish type soil under it... Overall, it has definitely come in and thickened up since spring started so it seems to take more time to get it to start filling in all the way than the tall fescue/KBG 90/10 mix I have in our back and side yard.
I was able to have a tall fescue lawn in our old home in San Antonio, TX. Lots of work to keep it alive and green but I did. New home new lawn - Bermuda now.
I live in Sacramento which is sort of northern/transition zone. We are in the 9b heartiness zone. A lot of people out here if they do use any fescue blend they will also mix in bluegrass/rye grass as the fescues tend to fry out in our 110-115* 4-5month long summers. Does tend to die back even in shady areas.
Great job! Looks gorgeous in the end! I'm in the Mid-West in Ohio, so I'll do some research to find what will work best in my area. We have humid summers, but they are not as long, 2.5 months max.
My lawn is very complicated, I have wide open lawn space that gets the intense full sun all day, but then have ornamental trees in my yard that are full shade underneath. I use a mix of about 80% Turf type tall fescue and 20% fine fescue and that works pretty well but still thins out a little every summer probably because I'm mowing it a 4.5 inches tall like the rest of my lawn since they are trees in the middle of my lawn
Ryan! I bought some rye grass from you 2 years ago, it grows fantastic but, I’m in the twin cities and the snow mold destroys it every spring.. I’ve tried fungicide in the late fall to try and help but it doesn’t seem to work.. I have about 40% die off this year any tips for me in the frozen north?
@@matthewcole9192 I feel like I’m doing a lawn renovation every year to get it back to perfect by fall just for it to get crushed again might have to go blue grass
I have tall fescue in my shady yard in far west Texas... it's hot and dry here. It looks like it's doing OK but it's hard to get full coverage if you're seeding.
For summers/long periods of heat/high humidity/lots of rain do you think it’s a good idea to cut the grass a little shorter than you normally would for summer to help the lawn dry out quicker and reduce chance of disease?
I've been testing the Elite Shade and the Elite Tall Fescue/Bluegrass in my shaded backyard, and I'm absolutely loving the TF/BG. Looks great with a tall cut height, and it's the darkest green I've ever had!
Where did you get this seed from!? I have a spot in my backyard that is pretty shady and have been torn between TTTF and Bluegrass or a mix of it. I worry about my front and side yard because they get a decent amount of sun. I’m in NY
Have you by chance had any success transforming a lawn that is nothing but compacted and poor draining clay underneath about 3/4 to maybe 1 inch of topsoil; that turns into a mud slick from the beginning of the fall rains (late October) all the way through the end of spring rains (late May), resulting in destroying the grass anywhere people have walked or small dogs have run across? I've been de-thatching and aerating every year as well as top dressing with compost twice a year for the last 5 years and haven't made so much as a smidgen of difference. I even tried over seeding a couple years ago and then again last year and it hasn't made even the slightest bit of difference. Heavy shade over the entire back yard. Suggestions?
I have an area in my yard that is so much like this area and I’ve been trying to figure out what to plant there I’m in PA and I was thinking Jonathan green keystone mix or dense shade but your shade mix is on my short list!
I have some sort of Fine fescue in my front yard i want to get rid of. It does extremely well in all day direct sun, here in Colorado. It grows in very fast and fills in thin spots. I would say it's an aggressive fine fescue, maybe some sort of creeping fescue, IDK. I don't like the angel hair pasta blades. I've actually been trying to get my zoysia to take over; it will eventually get there.
I was going to use Scott's turf builder (triple action/built for seeding) for my coming seeding project but I can't get it here in Cali. Go figure. What's your recommendation for a starter fertilizer?
What are some of the other shade tolerant landscape options? I have a very shady flower bed, I was thinking of maybe seeding to clover, but I am rather open to putting almost anything there. Right now it mostly just has tall weeds and bare dirt.
Hey Ryan do you know anything about those burn tracks.they are usually where the tires go. I get them on some of my Lawns a couple times a year almost looks like someone ran over a puddle of gas and ran through the lawns I think it's some kind of sign of heat stress
I've not been testing the Elite Shade and the Elite Tall Fescue/Bluegrass in my shaded backyard, and I'm absolutely loving the TF/BG. Looks great with a tall cut height, and it's the darkest green I've never seen!
How does fine fescue hold up to 2 120-160 lb super active out door dogs? Great pyrenees to be specific. Super shady area and big oak trees. Or what grass would you recommend?
Hey Ryan, do you have any suggestions for clearing an area with crazy English ivy? I was going to till it and plant grass but it's so hardy and would probably come back. Thank you!
What is the reason to add rye to shade seeds? I have a shade seed mix and also a 100% fine fescue mix. What would be the best seed for long term results?
I have fine fescue in NC snd it seems to work in the shade areas similar to yours. Let me know if you want me to do a trst of yours ill be glad to iverseer with it this fall.
I am in a transition zone, Las Vegas Nevada, and tall fescue does love the shade in this area. At least it loves the shade once it gets its roots established fully. During the early germination that will not tolerate the sun at all and definitely not the heat. Love your videos. Thank you very much for keeping them interesting and educational.
It depends on how shady. St. Augustine and some Zoysia will grow in partial shade. You will have to sod with St. Augustine as there are not seeds available for it. You may try fine fescue again, but you have to work hard in the summer to keep it going. Regular fungicide applications are a requirement. That will zap fescue faster than the heat. Many people think the heat killed their fescue when it was actually fungus that got it.
I’m on the Emerald Coast area in Florida. I’ve got a long section of fence line that doesn’t get enough sunlight. Tifblair Centipede has done well for me in those areas.
if you’re in the south go Tall Fescue. i put it in a couple years ago at my moms house in the DFW area after watching THE DIY CHANNEL. just search “tall fescue north texas”. it’s been 100+ plenty this summer already and way more humid than normal and her grass is still green, just make sure you are doing fungicide regularly, that is the biggest threat down here.
@@kennethsmith3073 Jordan didn't specify if his was in the shade, but Bermuda will not grow in the shade. Otherwise, yes you will have to battle Bermuda if was was there previously.
@@kennethsmith3073 correct, it was in the shade. she didn’t have anything growing there, tried st. augustine years ago but it didn’t survive. if you seed tall fescue in the shady areas of your lawn, bermuda won’t creep into it, but you will want to keep the tall fescue long so it may look funky with those mixed
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I live in Georgia and I have tall fescue in shady areas as well as Zeon Zoysia. Both thrive very well in my lawn.
order of shade tolerance in fine fescues. Chewings > Strong Creeping Red/Slender Creeping Red > Hard Fescue
I have shade problems on the sides of my house in greater Austin Texas area. I flipped out the entire backyard and the sides of my house with Zyosia Pallisades and thus far I have a a great looking yard where nothing would grow before! It was invented by Texas A&M. It needs 4 hours of sunlight and is drought tolerant. You cut it at 2” max.
Shade is tough. Key is finding what works best in your area. Love the way the camping spot turned out
Great video, we have planted trees as memorial trees for family members that have passed away and now we have considerable shade from them, which is nice but it’s a challenge now to keep the yard looking nice?! This fall I’ll over-seed the spots that have thinned out due to that shade but this information you’ve provided will help me going forward. Thanks again
Bella KBG plugs... great in heavy shade. Bought mine from Todd Valley Farms. I have less sun than what you're showing and the grass is thriving. It's very thick.... I'm actually shocked how well it's done
Your prep recommendations are spot on
Fine fescue in shade does well in southern TN (the very bottom of the transition zone). The fact that it is shady does help, for sure. I have a mixed fescue lawn (mostly high quality stuff - UnitedSeeds SuperTurf I) with fine and creeping red fescue in the shady areas (roughly 750sqft) and it does great other than slowing growth and browning a bit during the hottest and driest times of the year. I do have irrigation, which helps.
Here in (Maryland) the transition zone we love our TTTF. I actually need to overseed this fall.
Great content for Lawn care. I'm in Va, have a shady yard. 1 Dogwood,3 Magnolia tree's and a Maple. Tall fescue is the only grass I've had success with. Too hot for fine fescue
I grow a fine fescue mix in NC in a heavy shade area. I don't mow it after around April and it isn't irrigated. About 75% of it dies off in the summer. Always convinced it is going to make it then comes August and it gets nuked
I have fine fescue in my front yard in central Virginia... Mix of Creeping Red Fescue/Hard Fescue/Chewnings Fescue/KBG 25/25/25/25... It's doing pretty good... Much better under the trees than in the spots that get more sun this time of year... I only got it started last fall as part of a full reno so it's still been a learning curve as it is not even a year old yet... The parts that get a little more sun definitely need more water than the rest... One of the more sunny areas has also settled a lot more than anticipated with the 50/50 compost/topsoil mix in put on it as part of filling the area which I had to fill in, so that could be part of it that the roots didn't get as deep as hoped with more clay-ish type soil under it... Overall, it has definitely come in and thickened up since spring started so it seems to take more time to get it to start filling in all the way than the tall fescue/KBG 90/10 mix I have in our back and side yard.
I was able to have a tall fescue lawn in our old home in San Antonio, TX. Lots of work to keep it alive and green but I did. New home new lawn - Bermuda now.
Perfect timing! Have a client with a super shady front yard here in St. Louis.
It's looking very nice Ryan, do you have any problems with the bugs down in that area while watching movies?
I live in Sacramento which is sort of northern/transition zone. We are in the 9b heartiness zone. A lot of people out here if they do use any fescue blend they will also mix in bluegrass/rye grass as the fescues tend to fry out in our 110-115* 4-5month long summers. Does tend to die back even in shady areas.
Great job! Looks gorgeous in the end! I'm in the Mid-West in Ohio, so I'll do some research to find what will work best in my area. We have humid summers, but they are not as long, 2.5 months max.
Same climate as I have here. 👍
My lawn is very complicated, I have wide open lawn space that gets the intense full sun all day, but then have ornamental trees in my yard that are full shade underneath. I use a mix of about 80% Turf type tall fescue and 20% fine fescue and that works pretty well but still thins out a little every summer probably because I'm mowing it a 4.5 inches tall like the rest of my lawn since they are trees in the middle of my lawn
Yea you’re right I never really thought about it but my shady area doesn’t really get many weeds
I'm from the South and I'm a Tennessean!
I love fine fescue. One of my future projects is going to be a no mow FF backyard.
Fantastic transformation. Do you have an official name for this part of the property, Westberrie Park?
Almost to 300k!
Ryan! I bought some rye grass from you 2 years ago, it grows fantastic but, I’m in the twin cities and the snow mold destroys it every spring.. I’ve tried fungicide in the late fall to try and help but it doesn’t seem to work.. I have about 40% die off this year any tips for me in the frozen north?
I had the same issue in St. Paul area this year too
@@matthewcole9192 I feel like I’m doing a lawn renovation every year to get it back to perfect by fall just for it to get crushed again might have to go blue grass
I have tall fescue in my shady yard in far west Texas... it's hot and dry here. It looks like it's doing OK but it's hard to get full coverage if you're seeding.
For summers/long periods of heat/high humidity/lots of rain do you think it’s a good idea to cut the grass a little shorter than you normally would for summer to help the lawn dry out quicker and reduce chance of disease?
I've been testing the Elite Shade and the Elite Tall Fescue/Bluegrass in my shaded backyard, and I'm absolutely loving the TF/BG. Looks great with a tall cut height, and it's the darkest green I've ever had!
Where did you get this seed from!? I have a spot in my backyard that is pretty shady and have been torn between TTTF and Bluegrass or a mix of it. I worry about my front and side yard because they get a decent amount of sun. I’m in NY
Have you by chance had any success transforming a lawn that is nothing but compacted and poor draining clay underneath about 3/4 to maybe 1 inch of topsoil; that turns into a mud slick from the beginning of the fall rains (late October) all the way through the end of spring rains (late May), resulting in destroying the grass anywhere people have walked or small dogs have run across? I've been de-thatching and aerating every year as well as top dressing with compost twice a year for the last 5 years and haven't made so much as a smidgen of difference. I even tried over seeding a couple years ago and then again last year and it hasn't made even the slightest bit of difference. Heavy shade over the entire back yard. Suggestions?
Great video Thanks for providing some great information
Looking good brother
I have an area in my yard that is so much like this area and I’ve been trying to figure out what to plant there I’m in PA and I was thinking Jonathan green keystone mix or dense shade but your shade mix is on my short list!
I have some sort of Fine fescue in my front yard i want to get rid of. It does extremely well in all day direct sun, here in Colorado. It grows in very fast and fills in thin spots. I would say it's an aggressive fine fescue, maybe some sort of creeping fescue, IDK. I don't like the angel hair pasta blades.
I've actually been trying to get my zoysia to take over; it will eventually get there.
Phenomenal video, thanks!
I was going to use Scott's turf builder (triple action/built for seeding) for my coming seeding project but I can't get it here in Cali. Go figure. What's your recommendation for a starter fertilizer?
I’m finding we removed a lot of trees that were dying. Now I need to plant trees to get some shade back.
What are some of the other shade tolerant landscape options? I have a very shady flower bed, I was thinking of maybe seeding to clover, but I am rather open to putting almost anything there. Right now it mostly just has tall weeds and bare dirt.
Hey Ryan do you know anything about those burn tracks.they are usually where the tires go. I get them on some of my Lawns a couple times a year almost looks like someone ran over a puddle of gas and ran through the lawns
I think it's some kind of sign of heat stress
I've not been testing the Elite Shade and the Elite Tall Fescue/Bluegrass in my shaded backyard, and I'm absolutely loving the TF/BG. Looks great with a tall cut height, and it's the darkest green I've never seen!
How does fine fescue hold up to 2 120-160 lb super active out door dogs? Great pyrenees to be specific. Super shady area and big oak trees. Or what grass would you recommend?
In a shady area I'm afraid nothing will really stand up well to that type of traffic
Hey Ryan, do you have any suggestions for clearing an area with crazy English ivy? I was going to till it and plant grass but it's so hardy and would probably come back. Thank you!
I'm in the northeast and it's a highly shaded area also.
What is the reason to add rye to shade seeds? I have a shade seed mix and also a 100% fine fescue mix. What would be the best seed for long term results?
Quick germination and if you have an area that gets some filtered light it will have a deeper green than fine fescue does.
do you have a link to the straw blankets you prefer? Starting my 3rd reno in a few weeks and thinking of adding blankets this time.
I just get them locally at Menards
@@ryanknorrlawncare thanks Ryan
Hi Ryan. Do you have any experience on how well fine fescue can stand up to foot traffic and wear?
I talked about that in the video. You can see some examples of deer traffic
Informative video Thank you 🙏🏼
great advice
Good Job Ryan!!!!!! Thanks!!!!
Would you recommend using wood chips to use as like peat moss?
To use as a seed topper like peat moss? Absolutely not.
I have fine fescue in NC snd it seems to work in the shade areas similar to yours. Let me know if you want me to do a trst of yours ill be glad to iverseer with it this fall.
I am in a transition zone, Las Vegas Nevada, and tall fescue does love the shade in this area. At least it loves the shade once it gets its roots established fully. During the early germination that will not tolerate the sun at all and definitely not the heat. Love your videos. Thank you very much for keeping them interesting and educational.
Las Vegas is not the transition zone lol. It’s a desert.
2 * 3 sq m shade areas area how much seed will I need ? In Ontario
What's the best grass seed for full sun lawns?
What's a good hoc for the tall fescue in the shade?
Great video. Thank you
Which tall fescue do you recommend brand …? Kentucky 32? 34?
Link in the description and pinned comment
@@ryanknorrlawncare thanks and love your content and your videos been watching for some time
What would be the best type of high traffic grass?
Perennial Rye
I used a creeping red fescue and it’s fantastic ❤
Online source? Or what cultivars
That's awesome. Looks like God Almighty has blessed you.
Any recommendation for a warm season shade seed.I’m in miami fl and those fine fescues die off predictably in these summer months
He goes over that like 54 seconds in at 0:54
It depends on how shady. St. Augustine and some Zoysia will grow in partial shade. You will have to sod with St. Augustine as there are not seeds available for it.
You may try fine fescue again, but you have to work hard in the summer to keep it going. Regular fungicide applications are a requirement. That will zap fescue faster than the heat. Many people think the heat killed their fescue when it was actually fungus that got it.
I’m on the Emerald Coast area in Florida. I’ve got a long section of fence line that doesn’t get enough sunlight. Tifblair Centipede has done well for me in those areas.
I can tell you from 3 years experience that Fine Fescue will not work in E. TN...
Trust the process
First Aussie 😁.
Zen area .
05:39 ❤
Maybe you need to thin out the foot traffic 😊
That's some pretty shady advice right there, lol! 😅
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I prefer the wild growth in the before
first
It’s not the best type of grass for shade, its just good, but not the best. The best option for shady areas is poa supina.
But it has poor drought tolerance and heat tolerance due to it's shallow roots.
Says, “I didn’t have tools”, uses tools.
if you’re in the south go Tall Fescue. i put it in a couple years ago at my moms house in the DFW area after watching THE DIY CHANNEL. just search “tall fescue north texas”. it’s been 100+ plenty this summer already and way more humid than normal and her grass is still green, just make sure you are doing fungicide regularly, that is the biggest threat down here.
did she have any bermuda take over problems
@@kennethsmith3073 Jordan didn't specify if his was in the shade, but Bermuda will not grow in the shade. Otherwise, yes you will have to battle Bermuda if was was there previously.
@@kennethsmith3073 correct, it was in the shade. she didn’t have anything growing there, tried st. augustine years ago but it didn’t survive. if you seed tall fescue in the shady areas of your lawn, bermuda won’t creep into it, but you will want to keep the tall fescue long so it may look funky with those mixed