Bought A Weedeater Mower And Things Don't Seem Right
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Thanks for watching. I bought this used mower, after seeing an online ad but after talking to the seller, things don't seem right.
This video is meant as entertainment, always practice safety.
I’ve been watching your videos for quite some time now. Because of you and your knowledge, I am able to service/ repair my own lawn equipment! I used to have to call someone to do it because I had zero knowledge of anything. But now I can do it myself and I actually enjoy doing it. Thank you sir!
no problem and thank you Chris W!
Me too !!
Actually, going to my Father’s house to mess around with a mower he picked up on the curb in front of someone’s house 👍🏾
Took all my mowers two days ago and went right through them and cleaned them up. Glad to see a flathead still running.
thank you Gavman's Workshop
You got that to shine And look real good .sounds real good too And I can't imagine not changing the oil. I call these my toys and I take care of my toys so when it needs oil change. If it's looking dark I change it no matter where i'm at in the beginning of season ended a season I've been playing with them over since I've been a Teenager or younger but thank you for the video.
thank you Lil Joe II
Think homeboy would complain if he got 5 in his 4 piece McNugget.. 😂
maybe homie
That’s a perfectly serviceable mower saved from the trash, good job!
yes it is!
WEED EATER products were awesome back in the old days
I like that rounded scraper you use scraping on the underside of deck ! 👍🏾
thanks, I get lots of compliments on it.
I wouldn't sweat it...for 10 bucks..even if the motor was shot, you tripled your investment in just parts...That was a great find with minimal work needed👍👍
you make a good point
I agree, it’s common to find people trying to talk up their item in the ad, just to be disappointed in person.
thank you Mike's Garage. I don't think they're even aware they're doing it too.
Pretty mower! Fixed my grandparents one, exact model. Super light and runs amazing.
yes they are!
Of all the mower I've fixed, I have only had maybe 1 of those classic engines that wouldn't run good. Even managed to convert a pressure washer one to a mower engine and it ran just fine. Those engines were bullet proof, esp compared to the ones today.
you got that right!
few months ago I picked up this exact mower , fixed it and sold it. I use #4 pull cord, and I am glad I bought a 100ft of it recently, 40% of mowers I have had come my way needed a new pull cord I use Oregon 31-140 4 100FT[896] Small Engine Starter Rope. Also at the end of the video I saw you using non -detergent oil. I wouldn't of used that but if that is all you had its better then nothing. 10w30 or HD30 is what I use, Detergent oil.
How much did you ask for it and how much did you get?
@@mnight207 prices very by location, time of year, etc and inflation.. few years ago this would of been a $60 mower, now its more. depending on how new parts that were added or replaced. etc
thank you for the information
@@dfields9511 that's amazing! Even with inflation, I think that would bring $40 in my area right now. I think there is too much competition here.
I had the same kind of mower weed eater I just changed the primer and the carburetor I got it at Amazon a lot cheaper I bought a brand new back in 07 and I fixed it myself it runs very well😮😮
nice work
I put p-touch labels on the plastic on the engine or the deck stating when an oil change was completed, spark plug replaced as well as air filter. That is a great reminder as you always see it when using your equipment. Good job as always on the repair.
nice idea! And thank you Eric Oestreich
I bought a book, “How to scam people out of $20” for $20 six months ago and it still hasn’t arrived.🤪😜. Seriously, nice job on that mower.
LOL!!
I love those type of carbs. Great job on it!
me too, they are very simple and easy to work on.
I've got one of these at the house, not a lot of power, pretty small deck, but she starts up first or second Rio every years, has a broken muffler so she's loud, but dead reliable with zero complaints
at least it starts up, can't complain about that, thank you VapoMane
I have an 05 model of this exact mower that I had to do general maintenance and a new carb this year that Briggs motor will run forever
yes it will.
I'm to the point where I'm going to fully inspect everything before I leave. Just bought a small hydraulic fender press thing and dude said "it just leaks some oil, works fine" got it home and filled it up. The thing was just full on dumping fluid. Not from a hose or something nice and easy, but out the seal of the main hydraulic cylinder that you can't get parts for anymore. Wasn't holding pressure at all and was way beyond useable. Thank goodness he took it back and from now on I'm fully testing every aspect of whatever I buy.
good advice
A lot of it is you are describing yourself when people don't value or respect your time. What you do is an expectation and good for you for standing up for yourself!
Thanks for all your help. I definitely learned about how to degrease a mower from you. It wasn't something I was too familiar with and it's good to know.
I really appreciate that Vultain
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE You're quite welcome and thanks for putting the effort in your educational videos and responses.
I’ve gotta say, cheap as they are, I really like these basic Weed Eater mowers. I’ve had a number of them and they always seem to work very well with little effort plus they don’t seem to rust out as easily as many others. The paint seems to be consistently good too, it’s well applied and shines up beautifully (unlike those MTD mowers that seem to use poorly applied latex house paint which peels off in sheets, even on a new mower!). These rarely disappoint!
you go that right, I wish more mowers were like this one.
Yes those green mowers like the weed eater brand..seem to be good
Yes those green mowers are good haven't seen one in a long time
I love those engines they always run so good for me
you got that right, these are great engines.
I picked up one of these for $5 a few weeks ago and much like yours alot of oil coming out of the muffler and its got a oil soaked air cleaner and had been oil locked as well. It works for what it is and I agree these things run forever and are hard to kill. Mines going to be the back up/ loaner.
nice, thank you Iowafox
Hello, your videos are so helpful. Do you need a replacement cable for the machine?
No need
Not entirely the same, but I’ve been using a very similar weed eater for the last decade. I inherited from my father who has probably used it 5 years before that. I don’t keep it as clean as I should but I make sure to change out the oil every other year and spark plug/air filter every 3-4 years. Still starts on the first pull even though it’s probably in desperate need of a blade sharpening. 😂
nice thank you Matthew Ridgaway
Great video man! Please keep posting videos I try to watch every one of them
thank you David T
Our situations are identical. I enjoy this hobby and I'm just looking to not lose money. I could sell this mower for $75 as fast as I could turn them out. I'd have 15 responses in 30 minutes on marketplace. I've had people race to get them. Even try to out bid each other. I would have mentioned in the ad that this mower has very low hours for its age. Based on the tire tread and the condition of that deck, experience tells me it's hardly been used. Great video as usual.
you are correct, the moment this was listed it was gone
Hey really enjoy the channel. When you buy diaphragm’s in bulk where is a good place to get them? Do you buy them in a variety pack or just a few different kinds at a time?
thanks, I appreciate that. I use amazon. And I just a multi pack of just one variety.
Great repair. 👍🙏👍🙏
thank you RayFpv
I just fixed up mine, didn't start no matter what.. turns out the spark plug cable was chewed up, fixed that and has run since... mine also burned oil, but I just overfilled it
hey if it works
10 bucks what a GREAT DEAL ! I got my Weedeater Sprint 3.75hp mower for 10 bucks, I bought it because I wanted the deck, seller said mower wouldn't start, checked the oil and it was 1/4 of a quart over full, drain oil to right level, cleaned and re-gaped old plug, cleaned air filter, that little B&S 3.75hp engine fired right up, seller started crying and asked to barrow mower because they needed to cut there lawn, that was 10 years ago, I'm still using this mower, one of the best little B&S engine ever made in my opinion, BEST 10 BUCKS I EVER SPENT !
you are correct, 10 bucks was a great deal!
I'd call the blade "newer" or like you said "has one season on it"
that would be a fair description
Got 2 of this exact Weed Eater Mower. They were Walmart Returns and the guy worked there and got to take them home when they were going to scrap them. They had never been used and had defects of some kind that prevented starting. The guy had them in his shed for several years and never worked on them. I got them free when I sold him a used mower. Literally the only thing wrong with them was that the carb gaskets weren't placed correctly and a port was blocked. I put new gaskets on them, cleaned the shed dust off, and they started and ran perfectly. I tried to give them back to the guy, but he insisted I keep them. We them agreed that he'd keep one and I'd keep the other. I ended up selling it for $100.
very nice work!
Spray Nine cleaner/degreaser, and a pump sprayer filled with the hottest water you can get from your sink work quite well for cleaning an engine.
And you won't get all wet like you do with a garden hose.
thanks for the tip
My favorite push lawnmower
these are great little mowers
When i bought my Stihl fs80 off craigslist, i drove 90 minutes to get it. When i got there the trimmer would hardly throttle up or anything. The guy was like, oh ill keep it and rebuild the carb and call ya back. I daid absolutely not! Lol how bout we knock $15 off the price, and ill fix it. And he agreed. No way in hell i was driving another 90 minutes if he wouldn't let me get it.
Awesome vid IHG!
thank you Jacob Feather, did he know you drove that long to get there?
I bought a vintage Pioneer car cassette player. Dolby, loudness, att, auto reverse.. You get the idea. Ad stated untested, & no longer needed. When I received it, I connected it to a battery, inserted a cassette, & all I heard was the motor. This told me it needed a new belt. I then bought 2 belt kits from a supplier in Sydney. A few days later, belt kits arrived. I fitted the correct belt, then found a few other issues. I repaired those, & it now works. No, I'm not selling it.
very nice Christopher Marshall!
that was very satisfying to watch, you could probably post clips of this on TikTok and people who enjoy watching things get cleaned would be happy with it 🙂
thank you for the suggestion, I appreciate it
Good day Boy washing & cleaning them improves them 80%
Good video. Thanks
yes to be quite honest, the cleaner they are, the easier they are to sell.
All these type engines have small vent holes in the cap..if left in the rain, a small amount of water get in the tank, and rusts thru the bottom of the tank..
Glad it worked out in the end for you! Yes, some people's terminology and grasp of the English language (or lack thereof) can be pretty shady. "I just had the tires replaced," three years ago. "It's got new oil in it," from the oil change done eight months ago.
Don't get me wrong, our memories can be a fickle thing. "Seems like only yesterday" can be weeks, months, or years!
Though the term "new" in this case could have been, brand-used parts are new to this machine 😂😂
Another good video, and I like the example of how you would put up an ad to sell a machine. 🐺🔧
I know right! thank you Johnathan Sherwood!
Great video but i got a tip for you. next time when washing that style of engine on that mower remove the fuel cap place a sandwich bag over the hole and put the fuel cap back on. This prevents water enter the fuel tank. Believe it or not but the 3 vent holes on the fuel cap is an easy way for water to make its way in. Other than that great video brother 👌
thanks I appreciate the tip
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE welcome no problem
Ill say, as a small engine tech, small engine repair isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. Every shop around me is 5-8 weeks out. As for commercial property, you can start a small shop out of your home garage(depending on rules in your area). Automotive mechanics have been doing it since vehicles became a thing.
On those engines being bullet proof, id have to agree. I have one i use as a brunch cutter (free and not in good enough condition to sell) that has been “about to blow” for awhile.
thank you Brennan Schuler for the information I appreciate it.
About the "new blade". I bought a new car, and after 10 years and 130,000 km it is still the new car. Could it be the same with the blade?
I don't see how but in perspective it makes sense.
So I saw something that had me wondering. I thought I saw some dirt in the gas tank. Do you ever clean out a gas tank? How bad does it have to be to get you to do so? I've watched a ton of your videos, and while you often remove the old gas, I've never seen you clean out dirt from a tank that I can recall.
good question, it has to be pretty bad for met to consider cleaning it. Most times
Just put some fuel in the tank, and using gravity siphon will pull most everything out of it. I guess you're wanting to see me remove the tank and the carb, from it, flush it and or clean it? I haven't had to that in a long time, since using the siphon
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I guess it's always rattled around my head because somebody said they did that for me years ago when they fixed a mower for me. It just occurred to me that I had never seen you do it or even mention considering doing it, as far as I can recall from the videos I've watched.
Hiya have a question. Do you get a lot of the briggs motors like the 5hps like the one in the picture with mufflers that the welds break on the back side of the muffler? it seems 2009 to 2012 had this issue im finding out threw the years and curious if its just me. Then you gota break off the muffler outside and take a pipe wrench carefully to remove the little screw in type spigot when you break off the muffler. It's nice just to do this for fun and a hobby as you mentioned.
interesting, I think this has only happened to me once, and I think I made a video about it.
The spark plug has never been changed. It still has the paint on it from the factory. For $10.00, it still has lots of good parts on it anyway.
you make a good point and yes this is a very original mower. Thank you shawneehills7
I mean for 10$ Can’t expect much more than parts, you did well
thank you Bob!
I do this as a hobby too, curious what product do you use (if any) after you wash the deck? It always looks good and I can't tell if it's the lighting of your cameras or if you got that natural shine when it's still wet. I will use PB blaster Surface Shield on the bottom of the deck if its got some minor rust as a protectant, but I'm still looking for an affordable option on the top. Keep up the great videos! :)
nice I'll have to look into that product but most time I don't put anything on it. I use the only degreaser Harbor Freight sells, it comes in a gallon jug
What do you use for a cleaner. I see I stripped some of the letters off. It must be c
Good stuff
Yes it's because I use it, at full concentration which is a bit too strong. It's the only degreaser Harbor Freight sells.
Have to keep these
true
I got this same mower from a customer yesterday they asked if I wanted it that is stop running so they left it in da storage and they also mentioned just the break release cable was taken off that was the only part I’d need. I get it home get it on my stand I see that what I thought is gonna a easy day. I have a break release cable that’s went to a old craftsman with da same type motor I can use. After full inspection parts that r missing r break release cable spark plug wire da coil that da spark plug wire is still on da mower I’m lost on how that even happened but da third part missing is da pull cord.
thanks for sharing
the Briggs flat head engines , they put up with a lot of abuse and keep on ticking. this type I love the most because the parts are cheap and easy to fix . that is why so many are still around . A little time Evey year and it will last for a long time .
you got that right, it's just a shame they had to go.
Actually I had that Same Weed eater mower and it Was a workhorse. The motor even outlasted the deck that it was bolted to, and I had to get Another deck for The motor. (after that I gave it away to the kids.) As far as I know it's still running today...
wow, that's some testament as to the engine!
There is ALWAYS more to something than is obvious at the start and I never tell anybody any more that what I've done myself. Whatever it was was 2nd hand at the least and not seen a dealer in years but if it ran for me, that's what it did and that was enough. When the guy comes to get all my stuff that's what he'll hear and the proof will be right in front of him. I'm paring down to just stuff I can maintain easily and no more fighting it. What's left is in as good shape as what's leaving. I've done about all I can do and that's plenty. So thanks and BLESSINGS
thank you Lewie McNeely
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE U 2!
I got that same mower but now it has a Honda GCV160 on it
nice engine choice
Those Weedeater brand mowers were solid steel framed, decent quality wheels and the simple Classic Briggs engine. They were a good value then and I like to bid on them at auction now. You did a great job on it.
thank you haneyoakie14!
These are good mowers very simple
agreed, simple is nice
I NEVER see those anymore. I'd be looking both ways because I got a deal on a 22" deck and wheels. Yeah the handle bracket is frail on those. I put some ball bearing wheels and Subaru engine on a Murray just like that. The heavy flywheel makes that Subaru a tax on the rest of the hardware. Doesn't vibrate much though.
that's interesting
Pulsajet carburetor diaphragm will go bad and need to be replaced. Check and tighten cylinder head bolts as needed.
thank you Mike Spain
If you got scammed for $10, the scammer isn't really that good at it. Sellers lie. Customers lie. Buyers lie. No big surprises there. Good looking mower after you fixed it up.
My most recent mower purchase was a fairly pleasant surprise. Good price. Seller disclosed several problems, and even gave me the part number for a replacement part it needed. There WAS one fairly significant problem, but I'm convinced that he didn't know about it.
thanks I appreciate it .
What is the cleaning solution you use on the mowers?
I believe harbor freight degreaser or dollar store.
He's using super clean, the stuff is amazing
Can't be disturbed, worried or picky when the price is only $10
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The difference of the yellow lettering on the deck from before 2:13, and 6:23 . *You must be using Super Clean* . Great grease _and_ letter removal!
actually I'm just using the spray bottle, it's filled with harbor freight degreaser
Also, I have a chainsaw I am about to give up on, my personal one. Any thoughts? Stops cutting midway through wood, as well as boiled the chain oil in the tank(it was oiling, and still is, confirmed with bar off the saw.) Love the saw but afraid it will cost too much to repair :/
hmm.. when you say stops cutting, it's just the chain not wanting to cut? not that the engine stops? I would say the bar is not OIL. Once it stops again, immediately confirm using a piece of cardboard to throw only on it, when blipping the throttle.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Yup, just the chain stops, engine keeps going. I tried on the cardboard and dont realy see any obvious oil sling, even though there is oil at the port from the oiler. I cleaned the bar out completely as well, made sure it was free of debris and able to oil ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
oh,, thats makes sense, your clutch is gone
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Gotcha, thats a shame! I was thinking maybe a bad bar/chain as it sorta cuts crooked, but a bad clutch would do the same I guess :/
@@AdmiralDG one side of the chain is sharper than the other. The chain cuts crooked and wedges itself inside the cut
I am working on the same model as this one I think that it has a bad flywheel key it hits a little but the plug just gets wet
have you checked to make sure there's no water in the bottom of the tank?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yes
Is non detergent oil necessary for mowers?
doesn't matter as long as it's oil, it's a mower not a race car
well for me it does differ but yeah i have been there but often i have repaired it from my view etc.
you make a good point. I got it fixed and sold it, so I'm happy!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE strewth mate and yep our Victa 2 stroke aka 2 cycle engines with the P/T (Power Torque) type are also no different here in Australia etc.
Excellent
thanks
Bought a camper van from a shady seller and it turned out to be a nightmare. Always do a pre purchase inspection!
thank you Ziggy Herbacek
Love watching your content. More please!
thank you Frank Caputo
What do you use as a degreaser?
it's from Harbor Freight, they only sell the one.
$50 gets you a choo choo train in my area. 🌫️🌫️🌫️🌫️🌫️🌫️🌫️
It's hard to break past market value, even if you are offering something better than the average clueless homeowner selling used equipment. After flipping a lot of equipment, I'm now leaning towards specialty machines that are not considered a commodity: Plumbers Jetters, Woodchippers, Stump Grinders, Generators, Pressure Washers, Stihl/Husqvarna Chainsaws etc. The prices on these machines don't bottom out as much.
I like your reasoning
You paid $10 for the mower and the only part actually broken was the pull cord. Sounds like you got a great deal. Nobody should expect a $10 mower to have new parts.
you make a good point, I guess the lies were like a bonus or something
I got a free tactical backpack for $8 shipping once. When it arrived, it turned out to be a tactical fanny pack. It was a cute, little, miniature man purse. The ad never mentioned dimensions. I have also bought cases for my phone that were a "guaranteed fit" for my phone. They weren't. I bought headlight assemblies that were a "guaranteed fit" for my car. They weren't. Nothing is as it seems. Question everything. I avoid the word "guaranteed" now.
LOL!!!! I like this comment!
You haven't seen shady. I recently got burned on a Yamaha blaster quad. The engine cases had a crack in them. It leaked transmission oil into the combustion chamber. I did this after I put oil in it. Which means the seller had just enough oil for it to run and ride for a little while. But once I put the oil in that was it. Oh yeah the price was 1200$
wow, that sucks it broke on you
My frugal dad got a good deal on a new (store return? or closeout? or scratch & dent?) Weedeater brand riding mower in the late 90's. Same one they alternatively branded under the Poulan logo. It was a great mower but I always remember how bad it bothered my OCD: It's a Weedeater but it's a mower...
I'm sure it would still be running but back then, my dad mostly bought stuff that he could use a few years and get most or all of his money back on, if not make a little profit.
I know what you're saying!
nice tactic
Thank you
no problem and thank you
What’s the degreaser you’re using ?
And where do you sell the equipment ? I hope it’s close to Az….
The only one Harbor Freight sells
not in AZ
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 👎🏾😂
I am not getting this. You paid $10. What did you expect?
The truth, his point is why lie when your only selling it for $10.
It's a POS that needed work. It could have been much worse.
no lies would be nice. I'd prefer if they didn't mention anything about it to be honest.
Chill man, it was still a good video, he puts a lot of work into them.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE that’s why I rather get them from the trash that way you can find for yourself what’s wrong with it
Non detergent oil???
No It's just a bottle I keep reusing by filling it back up with good oil.
Good video!! I wish I knew someone like you around here because I need a good used mower. The people around here either ask more than what the mower is worth or they don't even clean the mower up when trying to sell them you're lucky if they take more than one pic. of the mower in there AD's.
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We have to hold on to these type of mowers
@@gradyhernandez4699 Yeah I hear you. My last mower I had was 12 years old but it died on me. So I'm looking for another one .Man I can't believe how much mowers run today.
thanks, and yes greed is not a good thing in my book.
@@m1a1hmthere's a few mower shops in my area. My neighbors usually { but not lately} bring a couple of mowers than need TLC, so I get them running IF they're not too far gone.
Thanks for sharing God bless
Thanks for watching
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE it's my pleasure you are very informative and I appreciate that
I feel like this seller was more clueless rather than trying to scam you. The lack of information and the problems provided seems like they didn't know what they were doing, presumably because they either don't know much about mowers or just don't know what to provide when selling. Judging by the state of the mower, they probably just didn't know much about mowers.
you make a good point
I would say « recent blade » as it is when compared with the age of the mower
I agree with that one.
I buy stuff all the time we're people try to talk it up. I just tell them that I don't care about all that stuff because it's going to get a full service and then get sold.
very true
I bought one of these from Walmart a long time ago. It was the worst mower I ever had. It was hard to start. I got it to run one time and that was it. Took it back and exchanged it for another one and it was the same thing. I ultimately took the second one back for a refund. It had a briggs on it too just like this one. I was surprised how shitty it was. I expected better. Lol
it was interesting that it happened twice
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Weird I know. I figured with it having a briggs motor it would have been a good working engine but it wasn't. I just came to the conclusion that it was the cheapest mower that they had at the time and I got what I paid for. 😆
What app do you use to find these free mowers 😂
I use Craigslist and FB Marketplace
Thanks trying to get in this hobby
it can be really irritating or very soothing, just depends on your perspective
They don't want people to keep the older good awesome things.
it would seem that way
I worked for a used car dealer. If you tell a customer of all the repairs they either expect more or think why did it need all the repairs. So say less
agreed!
Love thows kind of mowers
I buy it from you $75
already sold it
A lawnmower for 10$ in sad shape is still a good deal, not sure why you are complaining about bad info from the seller. Most people don't know jack about their lawnmowers so you got a deal.
because I can, and it even got you to complain about my complaining. thanks for your time
The fuel tank IS the bowl on L heads...
no there is an inner bowl, under the carb. The pump pulls fuel from the bottom of the tank, into the bowl section and any excess spills back into the tank.
Retirees time not valuable? That's an insult. I am a musician and I do church work in Sundays and play funerals the other six days. I make some nice money doing this, so my time IS valuable. I play tge trombone in a community concert band, too. Seniors spend their time enjoying sports like golf (I kayak), we volunteer at non-profits like churches and hospitals, and many other activities that help people of all ages. It's not all senior dances and shuffleboard.
nice, thank you for letting me know you're still very active. But you understand what I was getting at right?
When I sell them I post them for more than I want. Most people want a discount. I list what I did. Oil change, sharpen blade, drive wheels ect. If you did something that a person would question don't post that. If you list something at lets say $ 100 and they say would you take $ 60 I don't even respond. I have to buy the stuff go through the machine and sell it. The shops get around 80 to 100 per hour to work on small engines. I am sure if they were selling they wouldn't give big discount. When I buy something cheap I expect issues.
you make good point about the cost and time involved
I told ya you could get a running/cutting mower for $20 ;P
you sure were right!
Hey bro what's up? Interesting topic and video bro. I'm surprised that you didn't check how much psi the engine had and also I didn't see you clean the carburetor. Surprisingly however it started and ran good. So all in all $10 wasn't a bad price at all for the mower. A little cleaning up, and oil change, new air filter and pull rope and it's ready to start mowing lawns again
The engine started and ran, so no need to look at it. As for the compression, it's enough to start and run, and that's good enough for me. Thank you Ramadin Sookhoo!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I thought that much bro.
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I would have paid 10$ for it for part if it didn't run or was bad in parts it worth the 10$
that's a good price
It’s a poor way to live and it’s very hard to get ahead unless you’re sales for new equipment is only profitable
you make a good point