Be interesting to see how you might update this, given all the advances forward in the VESC project, solutions to IMU issues, etc., over the past year. I suspect several parts of the pros and cons lists might have changed.
I bought a floatwheel kit. I am in total love with the motor and esc. But everything else is subpar to a pint. Batteries alone are so hard to make and require so many special tools that if you don’t already have a bunch of tools then you could spend more than a pint on just tools. If you want something that just works.. buy a pint. If you need range.. buy an XR. If you’re really serious about DIY.. vesc is king. I had all the tools already so my costs are as follows: Floatwheel kit(with undervolted batt) $600 Chi battery quart(which didn’t fit without mods $300 Wtf rails and custom axle blocks $600 Random BS I needed and pint parts $200. I spent as much as an XR to make a killer pint. Not to mention that FM onewheel is built like a tank. EDIT: after riding my fake pint for a month I realized that the ride experience that I want is only capable with an XR. FM needs a new model with a more powerful motor. A 1.5kw motor and battery. If FM did that it would be worth every bit of $3000
Interesting that you say you love the motor. Is it the top speed (due to higher kv) that makes you say that? Doesn't the hypercore have better torque offroad? Also the cooling is far superior. I have to admit that I personally have only tried a FW motor for 5 minutes, so I can't say how well it performs on trails.
@@surfdado hyper core is marketing BS. They’re both 3 phase delta would sensored brushless. I can’t speak to torque of FM, but I do get higher top speed with equivalent cells(I actually get same speed, but I am a large dude over 200). The torque is nothing to laugh at, even on 12s it will completely chew up all 20A my battery is capable of and still feels like it’s starving. Off road idk, but grass and small hills are basically irrelevant. Higher Kv means less torque but more speed per volt, and floatwheel compensated the torque by lengthening the stator by 20%. 20% more magnet and solid core. 20% more torque for zero cost. Honestly FM’s motor needs a major revision. If FM wants to stay on top they need a model with a 1500w 850kv motor and a 1500w battery. That’s about double the specs of the XR. I’d happily pay $3000 for it. Also… my motor gets hot AF on 15s. Despite it being near 80c(laser thermometer) I’ve never had thermal cutoff.. so much so that I think these motor will handle 72v, which would give a consistent top speed of about 25mph. But there is no ESC with an IMU that can deliver that kind of madness. “Im riding a motorized board powered by a 1200w motor overvolted to 1500w @ 72v @ 60A” -that person is literally insane.
As usual, well said. I'm planning on making a "DIY one wheel, 1000 miles later video" Where I'll share some of the weird anomalies I've faced. A couple things that puzzles me is why people think a VESC based one wheel is safer, and if safety is such a big concern why are you looking at a one wheeled skate board?
OneWheels are not advertised as dangerous, so some people who wouldn't have tried them if they had known the true risks are now in a position where they are already hooked on Onewheeling, so they don't want to give it up but they are hoping that it can somehow be made safer...
Is this video still accurate? especially in regards to all around predictable performance. I've heard that the software has been improved a lot recently.
Thanks brother very informative. You should get in touch with Future Motion and have them send you an Xr and a pint ti test against yours. I myself am now going to buy them because of your video. I might still make one but for sure going to buy 2 again because if your video. Future Motion hook this guy up!
Future Motion is not the kind of company that would want anything to do with a DIY OneWheel creator. They are anti-right to repair and want you to only spend money with them.
The clip from Mitch is epic, do you know if he posted the PIDs he used anywhere? Also nothing beats the excitement when you finally finish building the funwheel and have your first succesful test!!
I don't recall that he did - the key would be to first run IMU calibration in that position and then I'd just start with a low P=1.0, making sure the motor direction isn't inverted and then slowly work my way up
That was back in the day when there was no alternatives. Plenty of people were willing to take that risk. But today you can get a professional product off-the-shelf, so you would only buy someone's DIY version if it's at a steep discount
Thanks as always for the great videos. Your knowledge and expertise on VESC based single wheel boards is immense!
Be interesting to see how you might update this, given all the advances forward in the VESC project, solutions to IMU issues, etc., over the past year. I suspect several parts of the pros and cons lists might have changed.
I bought a floatwheel kit. I am in total love with the motor and esc. But everything else is subpar to a pint. Batteries alone are so hard to make and require so many special tools that if you don’t already have a bunch of tools then you could spend more than a pint on just tools. If you want something that just works.. buy a pint. If you need range.. buy an XR. If you’re really serious about DIY.. vesc is king. I had all the tools already so my costs are as follows:
Floatwheel kit(with undervolted batt) $600
Chi battery quart(which didn’t fit without mods $300
Wtf rails and custom axle blocks $600
Random BS I needed and pint parts $200.
I spent as much as an XR to make a killer pint.
Not to mention that FM onewheel is built like a tank.
EDIT: after riding my fake pint for a month I realized that the ride experience that I want is only capable with an XR. FM needs a new model with a more powerful motor. A 1.5kw motor and battery. If FM did that it would be worth every bit of $3000
Interesting that you say you love the motor. Is it the top speed (due to higher kv) that makes you say that? Doesn't the hypercore have better torque offroad? Also the cooling is far superior. I have to admit that I personally have only tried a FW motor for 5 minutes, so I can't say how well it performs on trails.
@@surfdado hyper core is marketing BS. They’re both 3 phase delta would sensored brushless. I can’t speak to torque of FM, but I do get higher top speed with equivalent cells(I actually get same speed, but I am a large dude over 200). The torque is nothing to laugh at, even on 12s it will completely chew up all 20A my battery is capable of and still feels like it’s starving. Off road idk, but grass and small hills are basically irrelevant. Higher Kv means less torque but more speed per volt, and floatwheel compensated the torque by lengthening the stator by 20%. 20% more magnet and solid core. 20% more torque for zero cost. Honestly FM’s motor needs a major revision. If FM wants to stay on top they need a model with a 1500w 850kv motor and a 1500w battery. That’s about double the specs of the XR. I’d happily pay $3000 for it. Also… my motor gets hot AF on 15s. Despite it being near 80c(laser thermometer) I’ve never had thermal cutoff.. so much so that I think these motor will handle 72v, which would give a consistent top speed of about 25mph. But there is no ESC with an IMU that can deliver that kind of madness. “Im riding a motorized board powered by a 1200w motor overvolted to 1500w @ 72v @ 60A” -that person is literally insane.
As usual, well said. I'm planning on making a "DIY one wheel, 1000 miles later video" Where I'll share some of the weird anomalies I've faced. A couple things that puzzles me is why people think a VESC based one wheel is safer, and if safety is such a big concern why are you looking at a one wheeled skate board?
OneWheels are not advertised as dangerous, so some people who wouldn't have tried them if they had known the true risks are now in a position where they are already hooked on Onewheeling, so they don't want to give it up but they are hoping that it can somehow be made safer...
@thespiritstudio - looking forward to your video.
Excellent summary and review.
Great video! Whereabouts are you riding? I'll be in California with my Onewheel Pint soon
Thanks for insights,
how your ideas of.control loops are going ?
Love this!! Thx for sharing all your knowledge
Is this video still accurate? especially in regards to all around predictable performance. I've heard that the software has been improved a lot recently.
Yes the ride behavior has now been improved significantly and this video probably needs an update. But some of the other points are still valid.
@@surfdado Thanks surfdado!
Thanks brother very informative. You should get in touch with Future Motion and have them send you an Xr and a pint ti test against yours. I myself am now going to buy them because of your video. I might still make one but for sure going to buy 2 again because if your video.
Future Motion hook this guy up!
Future Motion is not the kind of company that would want anything to do with a DIY OneWheel creator. They are anti-right to repair and want you to only spend money with them.
Thank you for your great video's!
The clip from Mitch is epic, do you know if he posted the PIDs he used anywhere? Also nothing beats the excitement when you finally finish building the funwheel and have your first succesful test!!
I don't recall that he did - the key would be to first run IMU calibration in that position and then I'd just start with a low P=1.0, making sure the motor direction isn't inverted and then slowly work my way up
@@surfdado Thanks, I already figured it out :D
After watching your video, I feel much better that I've bought an XR rather than building my own.
Onewheel expensive as fuck and if you use any non OEM battery your board is bricked.
One Wheel is too expencive. Consept is good but price is way too high. Also there seems to be problems with One Wheels.
“Who wants to buy someone else’s DIY project?” How did Future Motion start? By selling DIY projects.
That was back in the day when there was no alternatives. Plenty of people were willing to take that risk. But today you can get a professional product off-the-shelf, so you would only buy someone's DIY version if it's at a steep discount
@@surfdado my comment was tongue in cheek.
LMFAO!!! Do NOT build your own Onewheel. BUY an Onewheel and improve your LIFE! Build your own "Onewheel" and put your life in danger LOL