Hi Matt, Thanks for remembering TEAL. I am excited to get on a podcast with you if that is an option. I am sure that will be fun! I have been enjoying the well researched and crisp content that you bring to your audience. It has a huge education element to it which is essential for such a fast changing and broad tech landscape.
Matt, I think long form interviews in general on a variety of technologies would be helpful to all of us. Not just battery technology. Thanks for all you and your older bald brother for us thirsty learners.
22:50 The Chevrolet Volt was a really early version of the Range extending hybrid. For city traffic it would only run electric but highway speeds it could use both engines. Like many before, I think Chevrolet failed in properly marketing the Volt because it was the same idea, range extender hybrid with a battery large enough for most commutes. See Technology Connections video about the car.
Missed one of the best parts of the Edison Logging trucks. They essentially have battery chargers at the top of the mountains ( trees/extra weight) . Go up empty, come down full and regen the batteries all the way down. It's like earths stored energy .
What most of America knows about solid-state batteries comes from a '60 Minutes' segment from several years ago that made it seem it was right around the corner.
I really liked my Volt. The discussion in the video reminded me of a conversation with a BMW i3 owner. He had chosen the i3 with range extender because its gas motor served purely as a generator, whereas in some circumstances the Volt's gas engine could directly power the wheels.
@@mchapman87501 So I'm actually wrong then I thought the Gas motor was purely a generator in the Volts with no mechanical connection to the wheels for some reason. I guess that leaves the I3 as being the only real production series hybrid like the Edison truck. I feel like the manufactures need to go back to basics with the Gas engine to make it simple and light, besides if it is only used as a generator it could be manufactured and tuned to work in a very narrow RPM and Power band .
@@callumcurtis15I could swear there was at least one hybrid out there where it was an electric motor with a battery that was being charged by a gas engine.
@@callumcurtis15The main problem is that series hybrid is far less efficient than just driving the wheels with the engine. This is one of the primary reasons vehicles like the Outlander, that only drives the wheels through a single speed transaxle and clutch is very specific scenarios are far less efficient than something like a RAV4 Prime which has the planetary gear set that they call an eCVT. Turns out turning something with the engine that generates electricity to store in a battery and then extracting that energy to turn the wheels is way less efficient than just having the engine turn the wheels. Even just comparing the Outlander to something like the Kia Sorenton PHEV, once out of battery power the Outlander is rated 26mpg combined, the Sorento 34mpg combined. The Sorento uses a traditional automatic, not even a dual clutch.
A company called "itselectric" is trying to deploy L2 chargers for on-street parking. One of the founders was on the Volts podcast a couple of weeks ago (Aug 28, 2024). I think she's from Brooklyn.
regarding modularity in cars, I think the Volt used all electric motors for under 50ish mph. Then a clutch engaged the engine to the powertrain at higher speeds. I had a 2003 Civic Hybrid that 'technically' could run the transmission on just it's battery. Not designed that way, but at *very* low loads like crawling at 5mph in traffic I could get the electric power side to drive the powertrain before the engine would kick in. Any significant throttle would bring in the gas engine though.
I think the volt drove on all electricity and just used the fuel to generate electricity to drive the car and provide recharge to the battery. Of course, I could be mis-interpreting the info I read. Here is what Wikipedia says: The Volt operates as a pure battery electric vehicle until its battery capacity drops to a predetermined threshold from full charge. From there, its internal combustion engine powers an electric generator to extend the vehicle's range as needed. While running on gasoline at high speeds the engine may be mechanically linked (by a clutch) to a generator set, improving efficiency by 10% to 15%.
My Hyundai Ioniq runs the engine as a generator in certain conditions and has a dual clutch 6 speed mated to the engine to drive the wheels in others. For example, it uses the engine for heat but the battery to drive when the battery temp is above -15C. So if it's right around freezing the engine will be running idling to heat the cabin but if you accelerate the engine RPM doesn't change since only the motor drives the wheels. It just has a separate clutch to either connect or disconnect the engine from the primary 6 speed dual clutch transmission.
Hey Matt, you should have just gone on vacation and take the SSB as your carry on for your flight! And the electric semi truck company is, I think, @EdisonMotors
Diesel electric, is not a new idea but the application for semi tractor trailers innovative. Union Pacific RR announced purchasing 20 battery operated locomotives, For Union Pacific where they pulled through the Rocky Mountains and use dynamic braking for long periods of time burning off electricity through large resistors the application of storing energy seems natural, particularly as direct cost increased.
Hi Matt/Sean, sorry I am one of those parasocial people (parasocialite?) who ran up to Matt at the Vancouver show and started blathering on about his heat pump. But for those of us trying to zero out our houses it’s like meeting Taylor Swift and Jesus all rolled into one. I was inspired to update my heat pump based on Matt’s recommendations and am about to get a Rheem heat pump water tank which you’ve already done an episode on. So when I ran up to you I tried to go fast so as not to waste too much of your time as you looked very busy, but the result is probably alarming, sorry about that. The Mitsubishi rep got it worse as I complained at length about their appalling software controls on an otherwise excellent system. As I said to you and Ricky, I am really hoping to see you two together doing another house comparison episode. I am in the Ricky camp, having to fix an old inefficient mess. Thanks for coming up to Canada again, hopefully next year you get to go for a spin in the electric floatplane, the takeoff/landing in the harbour in those planes is insane and they don’t crash (very often). And bring Sean, lots of maple syrup up here. Cheers.
The electricity generated by a motor that creates electricity to drive electric motors is called a Chevy Volt. There have been these types of vehicles throughout history. In fact, this is how train engines work. They are called diesel electric because the diesel is used in an engine to generate electricity that is then sent to electric motors that turn the wheels. They have been using this for decades (I know this because I used to work for Burlington Northern railroad and have seen them).
Same in the U.S.. these days. Apple is basically moving to USB-C. The phones are lagging a bit on the transition but it is clear that is the way the wind is blowing.
Betamax was a better product in terms of resolution, but what consumers actually wanted was the ability to record a whole football game, which betamax couldn't do, so "better" is contextual.
The Out of Spec UA-cam channel had a BMW I3 that had a range extender engine in it. I have always thought that if you could tune the engine to just generate electricity that would be the better use in a hybrid vehicle. I’m curious to know if there are any energy companies such as coal and gas that are using electric to reduce their carbon footprint. Would electrifying the trucks that haul gasoline around have a large impact on that industry even if it’s not 100% electric.
Checkout the channel Electric Trucker. He drives 42 metric tons electric trucks on long haul throug europe using truck charging stations but mostly car charging stations with up to 350kW. The limiting factor is almost always the allowed driving time and not the battery range. He just started the english version, but the german version Elektrotrucker went through the roof. He became the prophet of EV enthusiasts within a month. It is expected, that due to TCO calculations, more electric trucks are sold then diesel trucks in 2030, in europe.
Hey Matt, Do you have any concerns that the product Yoshino sent for a teardown knowingly might not be the same product that you have in your possession? This is an easy way to influence the results, or should I take my tinfoil head off?
what I find interesting / odd is that many large ships have been using this "hybrid" configuration for years. Generators that produce power which is then used to spin electric motors for propulsion. It does seem like a fairly easy thing to implement, so I'm kind of surprised that hybrid trucks weren't more of a thing sooner, as it makes much more sense than trying to utilize purely EV tech in big equipment where the charging locations would be limited. (Though I'm not actually "surprised" that it takes the US forever to change anything.) I was wondering if you heard about the Tesla semi that caught fire in California. I have a feeling Li-ion batteries are going to be around for a while. As such, stories like this are going to become more common. It would have been tremendously worse if this fire happened in the middle of a city, and/or next to a school. Wont somebody please think of the children?!! (said in my best/worst Helen Lovejoy voice) Is there any technology being looked at for fighting Li-ion fires?
As I understand there is no way to fight a Lithium Ion Fire for the batteries that use the NMC chemistry (Tesla Semi). The only way to stop it is to allow it to end is to allow it to run it's course or dump it into a massive amount of water, pool or pond, in order to cool off the battery. There are 1/2 a dozen different Lithium Ion Battery Chemistries out there so it's not right to lump them all into the same group as not all the Lithium Ion batteries will catch fire like the Tesla Semi. The Truck company that Matt forgot the name of, Edison Motors, is using a Lithium Ion battery that uses Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries. These batteries will not have the same issue as seen in the Tesla Semi as they can not have the same ability to perform Thermal Runaway. Edison Motors is Based out of Canada and they are saying that same thing about how the hybrid system has been used for years in Trains. They have regenerative breaking. You can plug the truck in and charge off the grid too if you want. As Matt mentioned the Edison Motors truck can have the Generator swapped out but even more impressive is if you don't want the Generator you can simply add a 3rd battery pack in it's place.
The bigger battery and generator thing is exacly what PHEVs are... Almost all PHEVs have multiple drive methods. Motor only, gas as a generator, combined gas/motor drive, and gas only drive in most cases every PHEV can run in all of these where each is most efficient. You know, those same vehicles all you EVangelists rail on because they are the worst of both worlds over and over. There is nothing stopping someone from swapping an engine in an Outlander for a hydrogen fuel cell generator beyond cost and practicality. It's exaclty what these so called 'innovative' modular hybrid trucks are.
The Hybrid truck is Edison Motors. They are also working on a pickup version too.
I've been following them since their first videos. These guys are really on to something that I really want in a 1/2 ton pickup.
@@stevenrockett2181 same here. I started to follow Deboss Garage a little bit too.
I believe Ram is supposed to have a generator to battery pickup in 2025, Ramcharger.
@@TraconWizard Thank you. I have never looked at Ram and never would have looked or even known about them. Looks interesting.
@@TraconWizard I'm anxiously waiting to what it pans out to be.
Great informative source.please keep more discussion on Solid state technology and progress thanks.
Hi Matt, Thanks for remembering TEAL. I am excited to get on a podcast with you if that is an option. I am sure that will be fun! I have been enjoying the well researched and crisp content that you bring to your audience. It has a huge education element to it which is essential for such a fast changing and broad tech landscape.
Matt, I think long form interviews in general on a variety of technologies would be helpful to all of us. Not just battery technology. Thanks for all you and your older bald brother for us thirsty learners.
22:50 The Chevrolet Volt was a really early version of the Range extending hybrid. For city traffic it would only run electric but highway speeds it could use both engines. Like many before, I think Chevrolet failed in properly marketing the Volt because it was the same idea, range extender hybrid with a battery large enough for most commutes. See Technology Connections video about the car.
Missed one of the best parts of the Edison Logging trucks. They essentially have battery chargers at the top of the mountains ( trees/extra weight) . Go up empty, come down full and regen the batteries all the way down. It's like earths stored energy .
regen braking is stronger than jake brakes -VERY COOL!
What most of America knows about solid-state batteries comes from a '60 Minutes' segment from several years ago that made it seem it was right around the corner.
A car equivalent of the hybrid truck already existed, it was called the chevy Volt and I'm bamboozled that no uptodate version exists.
I really liked my Volt.
The discussion in the video reminded me of a conversation with a BMW i3 owner. He had chosen the i3 with range extender because its gas motor served purely as a generator, whereas in some circumstances the Volt's gas engine could directly power the wheels.
@@mchapman87501 So I'm actually wrong then I thought the Gas motor was purely a generator in the Volts with no mechanical connection to the wheels for some reason.
I guess that leaves the I3 as being the only real production series hybrid like the Edison truck. I feel like the manufactures need to go back to basics with the Gas engine to make it simple and light, besides if it is only used as a generator it could be manufactured and tuned to work in a very narrow RPM and Power band .
There are 2 Volts in my medium-sized apartment community (they look great). Plus a bunch of EVs. But no charging stations.
@@callumcurtis15I could swear there was at least one hybrid out there where it was an electric motor with a battery that was being charged by a gas engine.
@@callumcurtis15The main problem is that series hybrid is far less efficient than just driving the wheels with the engine. This is one of the primary reasons vehicles like the Outlander, that only drives the wheels through a single speed transaxle and clutch is very specific scenarios are far less efficient than something like a RAV4 Prime which has the planetary gear set that they call an eCVT.
Turns out turning something with the engine that generates electricity to store in a battery and then extracting that energy to turn the wheels is way less efficient than just having the engine turn the wheels.
Even just comparing the Outlander to something like the Kia Sorenton PHEV, once out of battery power the Outlander is rated 26mpg combined, the Sorento 34mpg combined. The Sorento uses a traditional automatic, not even a dual clutch.
A company called "itselectric" is trying to deploy L2 chargers for on-street parking. One of the founders was on the Volts podcast a couple of weeks ago (Aug 28, 2024). I think she's from Brooklyn.
It's a "bring your own cord" situation. They supply, but you keep it in your car.
regarding modularity in cars, I think the Volt used all electric motors for under 50ish mph. Then a clutch engaged the engine to the powertrain at higher speeds. I had a 2003 Civic Hybrid that 'technically' could run the transmission on just it's battery. Not designed that way, but at *very* low loads like crawling at 5mph in traffic I could get the electric power side to drive the powertrain before the engine would kick in. Any significant throttle would bring in the gas engine though.
I think the volt drove on all electricity and just used the fuel to generate electricity to drive the car and provide recharge to the battery. Of course, I could be mis-interpreting the info I read. Here is what Wikipedia says:
The Volt operates as a pure battery electric vehicle until its battery capacity drops to a predetermined threshold from full charge. From there, its internal combustion engine powers an electric generator to extend the vehicle's range as needed. While running on gasoline at high speeds the engine may be mechanically linked (by a clutch) to a generator set, improving efficiency by 10% to 15%.
My Hyundai Ioniq runs the engine as a generator in certain conditions and has a dual clutch 6 speed mated to the engine to drive the wheels in others.
For example, it uses the engine for heat but the battery to drive when the battery temp is above -15C. So if it's right around freezing the engine will be running idling to heat the cabin but if you accelerate the engine RPM doesn't change since only the motor drives the wheels.
It just has a separate clutch to either connect or disconnect the engine from the primary 6 speed dual clutch transmission.
I dont want the interview to take over the podcast though they should be separate podcasts.
Hey Matt, you should have just gone on vacation and take the SSB as your carry on for your flight! And the electric semi truck company is, I think, @EdisonMotors
Diesel electric, is not a new idea but the application for semi tractor trailers innovative.
Union Pacific RR announced purchasing 20 battery operated locomotives, For Union Pacific where they pulled through the Rocky Mountains and use dynamic braking for long periods of time burning off electricity through large resistors the application of storing energy seems natural, particularly as direct cost increased.
All the government has to do is mandate there must be a common interface for the benefit of the population, they don't have to choose which one.
Hi Matt/Sean, sorry I am one of those parasocial people (parasocialite?) who ran up to Matt at the Vancouver show and started blathering on about his heat pump. But for those of us trying to zero out our houses it’s like meeting Taylor Swift and Jesus all rolled into one. I was inspired to update my heat pump based on Matt’s recommendations and am about to get a Rheem heat pump water tank which you’ve already done an episode on. So when I ran up to you I tried to go fast so as not to waste too much of your time as you looked very busy, but the result is probably alarming, sorry about that. The Mitsubishi rep got it worse as I complained at length about their appalling software controls on an otherwise excellent system. As I said to you and Ricky, I am really hoping to see you two together doing another house comparison episode. I am in the Ricky camp, having to fix an old inefficient mess. Thanks for coming up to Canada again, hopefully next year you get to go for a spin in the electric floatplane, the takeoff/landing in the harbour in those planes is insane and they don’t crash (very often). And bring Sean, lots of maple syrup up here. Cheers.
Carwash's seem to have figured out vacuum and sprayer hose management just fine.
The electricity generated by a motor that creates electricity to drive electric motors is called a Chevy Volt. There have been these types of vehicles throughout history. In fact, this is how train engines work. They are called diesel electric because the diesel is used in an engine to generate electricity that is then sent to electric motors that turn the wheels. They have been using this for decades (I know this because I used to work for Burlington Northern railroad and have seen them).
In the EU the Ipad is now sold with a USB C power connector.
Same in the U.S.. these days. Apple is basically moving to USB-C. The phones are lagging a bit on the transition but it is clear that is the way the wind is blowing.
My 2021 iPad pro is usb-c
Betamax was a better product in terms of resolution, but what consumers actually wanted was the ability to record a whole football game, which betamax couldn't do, so "better" is contextual.
The Out of Spec UA-cam channel had a BMW I3 that had a range extender engine in it. I have always thought that if you could tune the engine to just generate electricity that would be the better use in a hybrid vehicle.
I’m curious to know if there are any energy companies such as coal and gas that are using electric to reduce their carbon footprint. Would electrifying the trucks that haul gasoline around have a large impact on that industry even if it’s not 100% electric.
Checkout the channel Electric Trucker.
He drives 42 metric tons electric trucks on long haul throug europe using truck charging stations but mostly car charging stations with up to 350kW. The limiting factor is almost always the allowed driving time and not the battery range.
He just started the english version, but the german version Elektrotrucker went through the roof. He became the prophet of EV enthusiasts within a month. It is expected, that due to TCO calculations, more electric trucks are sold then diesel trucks in 2030, in europe.
We have a number of the charging points, no cable attached, in the power poles.
Why not !
It costs money(weight) to carry a cable in the car, the post can carry the cable for free.
Edison Motors is really great, but I don't see how they can get to the 100k # of trucks.
Hey Matt,
Do you have any concerns that the product Yoshino sent for a teardown knowingly might not be the same product that you have in your possession?
This is an easy way to influence the results, or should I take my tinfoil head off?
what I find interesting / odd is that many large ships have been using this "hybrid" configuration for years. Generators that produce power which is then used to spin electric motors for propulsion. It does seem like a fairly easy thing to implement, so I'm kind of surprised that hybrid trucks weren't more of a thing sooner, as it makes much more sense than trying to utilize purely EV tech in big equipment where the charging locations would be limited. (Though I'm not actually "surprised" that it takes the US forever to change anything.)
I was wondering if you heard about the Tesla semi that caught fire in California. I have a feeling Li-ion batteries are going to be around for a while. As such, stories like this are going to become more common. It would have been tremendously worse if this fire happened in the middle of a city, and/or next to a school. Wont somebody please think of the children?!! (said in my best/worst Helen Lovejoy voice) Is there any technology being looked at for fighting Li-ion fires?
As I understand there is no way to fight a Lithium Ion Fire for the batteries that use the NMC chemistry (Tesla Semi). The only way to stop it is to allow it to end is to allow it to run it's course or dump it into a massive amount of water, pool or pond, in order to cool off the battery.
There are 1/2 a dozen different Lithium Ion Battery Chemistries out there so it's not right to lump them all into the same group as not all the Lithium Ion batteries will catch fire like the Tesla Semi.
The Truck company that Matt forgot the name of, Edison Motors, is using a Lithium Ion battery that uses Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries. These batteries will not have the same issue as seen in the Tesla Semi as they can not have the same ability to perform Thermal Runaway.
Edison Motors is Based out of Canada and they are saying that same thing about how the hybrid system has been used for years in Trains. They have regenerative breaking. You can plug the truck in and charge off the grid too if you want. As Matt mentioned the Edison Motors truck can have the Generator swapped out but even more impressive is if you don't want the Generator you can simply add a 3rd battery pack in it's place.
Sean, Video2000 was superior to both VHS and Betamax… bet you never heard of it (Phillips & ITT before you ask)
The bigger battery and generator thing is exacly what PHEVs are... Almost all PHEVs have multiple drive methods. Motor only, gas as a generator, combined gas/motor drive, and gas only drive in most cases every PHEV can run in all of these where each is most efficient.
You know, those same vehicles all you EVangelists rail on because they are the worst of both worlds over and over. There is nothing stopping someone from swapping an engine in an Outlander for a hydrogen fuel cell generator beyond cost and practicality. It's exaclty what these so called 'innovative' modular hybrid trucks are.