A One-Year Update on Edison Motors | Everything Electric Canada 2024
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- One year after meeting for the first time, Sandy reunites with @EdisonMotors CEO Chace Barber at Everything Electric Canada 2024 to see the progress Edison has made since last year's show.
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"I'm just the truck guy"...right...He knows every nut and bolt that went into that rig.
That means he’s just a truck guy of the old, or an old-time truck guy because I remember my grandfather telling me truck drivers used to know every nut bolt that went into the rig in the old days and how everything worked😊
He not only knows every nut and bolt but he knows why he used that nut or bolt instead of a different one. He went through piece by piece to make sure that his truck could be repaired in the middle of a desert at a diesel station with “common” replacement parts. Electric diesel hybrids that you can repair anywhere and on the cheap. He is not only providing a service but a value as well.
The most impressive thing I heard was that all Scania Tier 4 Final engines are able to meet emission standards without the need of a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).
In sure that's a dream for maintenance
Well, having to keep up with the European emission regulations, they're 10-15 years ahead to their strictly NA competition, plus the much higher price of fuel in Europe pushes manufacturers to make more efficient engines.
I'm glad Edison Motors trucks are going to have top-tier engines and Scania seems like an awesome business partner from what Chace has told us about them so far.
@@Daddo22 Excellent observations. I would be curious for any explanations why American manufacturers cannot meet regulations without exhaust treatment. Certainly cost is a major factor. Do we lack the political will for research? Are we playing short term checkers instead of long view chess? I've got to believe that our engineers are at least as smart as those in Sweden. Please enlighten me fellow readers.
@@stephenkramme7063 Although I'm no expert, I think the 2 biggest factors are regulations and good old-fashined capitalism both constantly pushing the companies to inovate. For regulations, there are not only the ones regarding emissions, but also drivers' work conditions like total times, breaks etc. that are much more restrictive than US ones and thus companies are willing to invest more into more powerful engines so that the drivers don't waste their time slowly climbing hills. For the capitalism part, there are higher fuel prices in combination with aforementioned shorter driver work times and widespread network of rail, which in combination create a very competitive environment.
On our ship we have a new jcb powered generator that meets European stage 5 without any after treatment. The overlap on the camshaft between exhaust and intake is so large the intake ports get clogged with soot when the engine isn’t running hot enough.
The engine is two years old, has 11,5k hours on it and it’s been cleaned twice. According to the mechanic we run it decently hot because ours was not bad at all.
We had a 100% electric concrete truck at work the other day. It was great, especially as its an underground construction site!
In another video, Edison Motors talked more about how important the engine noise factor is for construction trucks and other trucks that work in the city. Many residential areas only let heavy trucks operate or drive through the area during a limited period of the day. This means they can't do a full shift, when they run only on battery outside those limited hours greatly increasing the value of electric trucks for some companies.
Well, they are building hybrids. That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to re-charge the battery. The builder talks about software and that would do most of the decision making about when to start or stop the ICE and at what power level and speed.
I've see a few of his videos. He "optimized" his early trucks for logging and in logging you often bring heavy loads down from a mountain and return empty up the mountain. That means that the truck re-gen is being pushed by a heave load down the hill and has only a little load coming back up. That the reduce the need for starting the ICE.
@@GilmerJohn " That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to recharge the battery. " For plug-in hybrids, this is not true, it only means there is an option to use the diesel engine to charge the battery.
@@ryuuguu01 -- In practice, it will usually mean start the engine. It would take a 50 kW power source to really make much difference in charging the battery. In some places they might have much power for over night charging but these Edison trucks (even the pick up conversions) are serious power hogs.
@@GilmerJohn The hybrids are for areas where it isnt easy to charge. For working in a city there should be better options as a hybrid. Like changing the battery pack.
Exactly, just think of all the gravel trucks, concrete mixers, garbage trucks rolling around the city. Giving them electric get up and go will also help with traffic flow. Its a win win all around.
The most expensive and complicated thing in a truck is the transmission, going serial hybrid is such a good idea. I bet a 6 litre diesel is plenty big, nine is probably overkill. We are at the beginning of the most interesting time in the last 100 years of heavy duty drivetrains. Need to get these guys some capital to get things going.
Thanks for having Chace and Edison Motors on your channel. Edison is on the precipice of success in the market they are chasing. It is all about testing testing testing and roll out.
Edisons EV Pick up conversion kits are very interesting as well.
Cheers 🇨🇦
When Sandy Munroe endorses you, YOU"VE made it!
Dreamer entrepreneurs are what the world needs more of. I love his passion.
Wow! Great fun listening to a couple of guys who KNOW EXACTLY what they're talking about
THANKS SANDY ,CHASE AND THE MUNRO TEAM , for the update🤗🧐💚💚💚
Thanks for watching!
The hybrid that actually makes sense.
We've had Diesel electric systems since the 30s, it has always blown my mind that all hybrids weren't built like this since the beginning
Look at all those diesel locomotives! Those have been the backbone of Indian Rail here for last 5-7 decades. It's just now in this last 10 years or so the govt. was finally able to cobble enough money to get electrification on track and we are steadily getting new electric traction loco's.
The reason is that converting engine power thru a generator thru an electric motor has always been inefficient. Directly coupling the engine to the driveshaft gets the most energy from the cylinders to the tires. Modern technology has now improved on that. Plus in this case, with modern batteries, idling can be mostly eliminated. And that big plus for a hybrid is there, for acceleration or hills power can be drawn from the battery and engine together.
@@donjones4719 I'm skeptical about whether that is true or not.
Diesel electric systems burn less fuel, whether they are in a locomotive or marine application
OEMs didn't and still don't want to change and lose the "Investment" they have in ICE.
@@donjones4719 No, why not? because ICE engines have a sweet spot of rmps that are the most efficient that they mostly never get to stay in but generators do now with batteries or super capacitors as the buffer you dotn't need to rev the generator when you get an increased in load demand for more speed or more cargo.
Congrats, having Sandy talk about this is huge...
trains have been doing this for years... makes so much sense.
Imagine not having to follow that semi up that impassable moutain road @ 20mph!
Hybrid diesels for our pickups, bring it on!
Topsy is working????? Let's get the good beer and donuts!!!
Yeah, our video on that should be coming out next week
@@EdisonMotorsEastbound and down, loading up and trucking
@@EdisonMotorsjust causally mentions she was loaded to a total of 150,000lbs
It was a righteous watch
Lovely to see the 2 Canuck’s together.
As an engine engineer at Scania, it makes me very happy that we have such a great service for our to be customers! I think he has made a great choice. The 5cyl is really a really good package.
Such service is something to be proud of.
Sandy, you're awesome. Please continue to help these guys out.
There's a huge efficiency gain to be had just from switching away from a traditional ring & pinion gear and not having a 90° turn in the driveline.
Sandy, it's really awesome to see your support for Chase and his efforts with Edison motors. I've been following Edison motors efforts and I think Chase and team have that perspective that big corporate just doesn't have which could make the difference in the market they are working for. I wish them the best.
They need to call their high-performance truck the Skookum Choocher.
The Skookumchucker
That'd be true to their BC heritage. Skookum as Frig eh!
I've been following Edison through YT shorts and I absolute love what they're doing; it makes me wish I didn't have a silly office job but worked with guys like these.
I hope and pray they succeed and prove to all other truck manufacturers that planned obsolescence is bs.
If they ever do crowd funding, like the company Aptera did, they will need an army of investors to put up a few thousand dollars each for share vouchers.
@@Nphen
It will never happen for these guys .. they really have no ambition . Or connections to get funded or into mass manufacturing..
😂😂
@@Gunter_Custom To just build that first total custom truck took a whole lot of ambition. They will do just fine. Like Sandy said, a vacuum will be filled.
@@johnarnold893and it took them ten years. They will never go any where..
There are a ton of diyers in North America who have converted vehicles to electric on their own ..
This is not as hard as they are making it
@@Gunter_Custom Electric is one thing Hybrid is another
do you even know what goes into having a tier4 rated engine running and running well
probably not
do you know what goes into programing the generator to run as a jakebrake when the battery is full
probably not
do you know what goes into tuning the regen so the axles don't break apart when breaking with 150.000lb loads
probably not
you talk a lot of smack for someone that doesn't know how to engineer a truck platform from the ground up
Thank you, Sandy! ...love what these guys are doing up in Canada for all of us - thank you for giving of your time and energy to share and promote and your wisdom to help guide!
I really hope Sandy took him up on the offer to take his rig out for a ride!!?
So glad you went back 😮
I vote to see Sandy rippin donuts in Topsy..
Marvelous opportunity on this Tech, a great application of EV-hybrid truck (local loads). OTR ( over the road) long distance is a BAD application of the tech (1000 mileor km /day) is not a good use, perhaps in distant future will) . Logging between forest and Mill or rail-head is Perfect use.
Wherever the load is at a much higher elevation than the destination (mining, logging) these electric haulers could probably eliminate the diesel engine by regenerating enough on the way down to power their way back up. I believe there is a mine that uses electric rock trucks that never need to recharge.
@@briansilver9652rail is the only way that will work. There too many inefficiencies when your on tires.
What makes you think it wont work for long haul. ??
@briansilver9652 if they were just going up and down the mountain maybe that would work. They usually have at least an hour round trip when they get off the logging road. That is where the diesel kicks in. It gives them that little boost in range so they don't need to add more batteries.
@@nathanmahler3743 I believe the Edison guy said that was possible in another interview. The fact that they're empty going uphill and massively loaded down hill may overcome inefficiencies .
Be great to see Sandy taking it for drive.
4:11 Listening to the acceleration with 150,000lb of load, we'll need to add software that limits the road chew up that the high shear the roading will experience. This is slightly different to the vertical axel loading that heavy vehicles are categorized by.
Electric power makes so much sense for these heavy-duty short-haul trucks. Thanks for this update!
Would like to see continued success for these guys.
Hybrid trucks make so much more sense than pure battery electric (aside from local -
Very impressive, thanks for the update Sandy.
If Wayne built a truck in Letterkenney. Love these guys. Wish them all the best!
This guy is an absolute Gem! Awesome
I hope the BC government helps him instead of getting in the way. In the mid 1960s I had a summer job on the CP Princess Patricia, 5 boilers generating steam for 2 steam turbines powering two DC generators driving two massive DC motors generating a total of 15,000 horsepower.
A $50M loan or grant to get it ready for manufacturing seems like a great use of dollars compared to the LNG and Oil and gas subsidies which are both out of control and unsustainable...
@stickynorth those subsidies are mostly just tax write offs that any company can make. Then there are some grants handed out for researching and developing emissions reductions programs. In many cases that tech has ended up getting a return on investment since that tech ends up being sold. Also at least in Alberta the industrial carbon tax money funds that stuff. It's not general revenue. Edison could apply for a grant and they would most likely get money out of that program as well.
Sadly Edison did try to approach the BC Government for a grant, but due to some sketchy shit going on with the Grant Program basically requiring you use a SPESIFIC company to get your grant written up (for a fee of course). It lead to a controversy where the Government investigated itself and found it did nothing wrong. They have a video explaining it far better on their channel.
Love it when guys put themselves out there and have a go, would love to see them making a real success of it, go Edison
I’ve been following chase since before he (publicly) got into electric trucks. He just seems like a stand up guy, and a true Canadian!
Also, I worked in Oilfield .Diesel electric AC or DC. I’m good to go with it. Also I switched over from the old compound Rriggs to electrical rig/pneumatic. My golden rule is Drilling rig or driving Rig. It’s the same thing. One turns forward and one turns to the right.
Very excited to see where Edison Motors will go!
Edison turned down venture capital because they wanted to make them change the quality of the product. Chase is not only building them right, he’s got integrity.
Truck of Theseus, this truck guy is well read.
The way I look at it if you can impress Sandy Monroe you're going places keep up the great work!
I like these guys!
Seems like they're no BS and still naive (in a good way, they act in goodwill and are confused when others don't). They had their first big run in with government corruption recently when a consultancy was double dealing writing and ALSO approving government grants to EV businesses.
Couple of my favourite people. 😊
Sandy Munroe "just about shit my pants" what an endorsement for electric trucks
What an awesome story!!
Such an awesome truck
Hybrid is definitely the way right now !! Love the scania truck !!! Definitely, Nicola and Edison are companies to watch !!!
6:05 THANK YOU for mentioning when you let DeBoss Garage drive it. That clip has been rent free in my head the entire time this has been going on.
Also I love the shade thrown at Tesla with the little line on the bottom saying "The Tesla has only hauled 85,000lbs"
Congratulations. These are needed and are realistic not the idiot government idea of electric only. Canadian BC government need to help get this done before it ends up leaving Canada.
Canadian: we're gonna need a couple million fur shur. American: No, you're gonna need 50 million.
Sandy is Canadian.
@@derrickstableford8152 he doesn't live in Canada anymore
I have seen diesel rigs twist one corner up when pulling away from a stoplight when pulling a load. What is that driver going to do in an electric truck with truly monster torque?
Also I love that they picked logging as their use case because they go uphill empty and come down loaded, regenerating on the way down.
I believe that chassis twist is from the torque of the engine working hard to turn the drive shaft. This truck has the electric motors in the axles themselves. I don’t think you’ll see that big chassis twist in these trucks.
Everyone is rooting for Edison!
Good luck guys
1:19 - what the hell is he saying... reliable, sturdy, skulcoom?
Yeah; I don't speak Canadian 😂
I think he is saying Skookum, a term invented and popularized by another youtuber from BC Canada: AVE
I had to Google the word also…
Skookum is a Chinook Jargon word that has historical use in the Pacific Northwest. It has a range of meanings, commonly associated with an English translation of strong or monstrous. The word can mean strong,[1] greatest, powerful, ultimate, or brave. Something can be skookum, meaning "strong" or "monstrously significant".
@@PierreVilleneuve88it’s actually a local First Nations word meaning “tough, large, strong and impressive”
@@EdisonMotors thanks for clearing that up. I never drove a semi and probably never will. But I have been following pretty much everything you have posted and I am rooting for you guys! Impressive work.
The 2024 DAKAR winning Audi RS Q e-tron works on this same principle. It’s always electric drive and has a 2.0L engine coupled to a generator which recharges the battery pack when necessary for additional range. 👌
Looks at that..all the perseverance leads to a successful end..😂
They could perhaps split that axle in half L-R and manufacture the two halves to mate at the diff case, smaller assy to handle, but chance of lowering possible axle service costs. Sure, would need monster stiffening though.
Woo hoo, Uncle Sandy in BC!
Nice concept. I'm an inventor and two things:
9 liters is surely excessive. Engines should operate at peak efficiency all day long, even when the truck is sitting around. I don't know your usage, but I'd be surprised if a two liter engine couldn't keep the battery fed.
Second, diesels suck. I've invented a new engine (who hasn't?). 😁
It uses an insulated external combustion chamber and simultaneous internal water cooling (the burn is outside the cylinder so the cylinder can be cooled during the burn)
There's lots more. Maybe we'll work together.
Like to SEE SANDY tear this down, do a couple of videos.
Notice the skookum factor from AvE.....
OHH YEAH DON'T YOU KNOW EH
Sandy opening doors for the industry
No DPF on that Scania engine.....SOLD😂😂
I assume that the strength of the parts that connect the load to the tractor have been beefed up accordingly? I don't remember hearing anything about that. I am sure that it was done. Very interesting.
Everyone in Canada should be running Scania engines!
First make 12 trucks per year.
I think diesel electric or diesel hybrid is the best choice for future vehicles..
Need to know what kind of voltages/amperage’s the electric axle uses?
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Case 4wd tractors had Scania engines waaay back in the day
Trains have always been diesel electric so why aren't these big trucks also been diesel electric? Or even turbine electric as they are smaller and more efficient at higher power output to charge the battery.
Because it doesn’t scale down.
Turbines are extremely reliable, but extremely expensive as far as I know, and also LOUD! I definitely think diesel electric should have been done half a century ago.
Diesel locomotives have had diesel electric drive forever because the power output is too large for mechanical transmissions and clutches to handle. Try to imagine the number of gears to go through accelerating a long freight train from standstill to 60 mph/100 kph. The system has excellent torque.
However, there are significant energy/heat losses. Mechanically linking the engine to the axles is more efficient plus you don't have to carry around the weight of a generator and electric motors. Yes, a manual transmission weighs something but is light compared to the alternative.
Hello 👋
Truck of Theseus? Am I wrong in thinking that your average truck person wouldn't get, much less make that reference?
Good luck.
Just to be clear, a semi truck legally can only be rated for so much. A Tesla Semi, based on how much hp it produces, im sure could also do 75k kg
But the lighter the truck itself, the more load it can haul.
On road trucks yes, but logging trucks are allowed more,same with some other vocational trucks, tesla semi is also the same power as Edisons
Malaki Ang motor Malaki din Ang volts amps..Ang pinapalakas lang Jan Ang magnet.. kahit Isang ikotan lang Yan..tatlong terminal lang hati lang, Ang hati Yun Ang sa gitna.. mas maganda pa Yung medyo maliit pinaparami lang...
$50-100 Million is low cost in 2024
👍👍👍
Ty. Shared
They doing better than Detroit Electric car ? How about FISKER second coming ?
Trucks ez conversion LNG or CNG . You see them all over Asia cause it’s cheap fuel . It’s also cleaner than BEV all things considered 😮
Raise the $50 million.
DOA without 1)Outstanding engineers 2) Manufacturing Expertise and 3)A leader that thinks bigger than what people thinks is possible. Everything else is just playing with 1 offs.
Thanksandy
Regenerative breaking with a load is going to increase the range dramatically if you drive up the mountain unloaded and come down loaded.
Totally disagree with your thought that they need every certification. Edison for the next few years will have all the customers they need. They don't have to worry about EU certification etc.
The accent and shirt will only get you so far
TROX
The accent?
Ev future.. except… this is not an elelctric veichle… just another hybrid
It's fully electric, it's just a big enough vehicle to carry around it's own generator. The generator is optional
Sadly this company will be gone unless they get new experienced management and a billion dollars or more of capital. It's a really cool hobby building a few trucks, but it's going no where when it comes to producing and selling more than twenty before it goes under. Designing and building a truck is a year long project for six new college graduates. Designing and building a truck factory is a multi-billion dollar project for a huge experienced team of engineers. That's what Elon figured out.
Honestly the Government of Canada should just toss them the money because of all the wasteful spending in Canada? This is would be a drop in the bucket to get this company going on a larger scale... Heck Calgary just wasted $2B building an LRT line to nowhere... Oh wait, not even that! $2B on planning a line to nowhere...
the engine looks a little bit oversized. it only needs to produce the average energy consumption. you need about 10 liters diesel per hour. that is around 90 kwh . 50 percent goes into heat. so 45 kwh. thats only 60 horsepower. the optimal power to fuel consumption is about 1/3 or 1/4 of the maximum. so your engine should be around 180 horsepower. this engine looks more like 500 or 600
Why not just an electric generator in place of the gas engine ? - just use the electric motors.
The gas engine is connected to an electric generator,generators need something to get power from they don't work on their own
I didn't know these electric trocks have clotches.
That's not a clutch it's a generator, so that the truck can recharge its batteries using the diesel engine while it drives(2 hour battery, 30min charging)
Sandy do you know Lion Electric, there trucks are also made in Canada. There are more interesting than this truck !
Did sandy say there were truck companies doing hydrogen combustion? Isnt that stuff straight garbage and clickbait
I believe he meant hydrogen fuel cell trucks
@@Surfzap63 he did say hydrogen fuel cell as well though
hot potato 🎉
Old man, you want to evaluate vehicles part time and stone chisel a cathedral city onto the side of a mountain?
Cable line faster than a Raven to town?
Want a tour of Canada’s Finest Biological Reserve?
Curse my empty pockets... no i will not say how much I'd with none of the bs others use. IOW lawyers sit in the car while th adults talk. Then we shake investment done. Money just tool and all that implies.
Edison motors will never make it to scale.
What is your definition of scale? They aren't looking at building thousands of trucks per year. They are looking at building dozens of specialty trucks for a specific use case. It's actually sorta funny reading through some of these comments. People that are clueless how thr world really works commenting about stuff they don't actually understand. The Tesla semi will never do what this truck does. This type of truck is heavy very heavy loads in remote areas through very challenging conditions. The cybertruck would get stuck in some of these areas. I'm actually required to have tow straps in my vehicle and it's not uncommon to need to use them. We bury the truck in the mud and then make a call on the radio and a dozer the size of a house will show up to drag us out. And yes it's drag us out. That is where these trucks are going.
@pin65371 when you hear guys talking about making something that Tesla couldn't. We'll that's easy to make one or dozens. Scale is making a dent in the need for a difference here. Makes a great logging truck. Let's see how we'll it goes.
@pin65371 I am not sure you understand. Scale makes differences. Single or a few trucks. Nah. That's just silly talk.
@pin65371 your argument is nonsense.
- People said we would never make a working retrofit.
- people said we’d never build our own truck
- people said we’d never get it road legal
- people said our prototype would never work
Now they say we’ll never make more of them, we keep winning so far
Nice but prototypes are easy. Going into production hell thinking $2m would be enough 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
Clearly, they have no idea what they’re headed into.
Also, by the time they figure it out, Tesla Semi (and others) will convince truckers it has more than enough range - especially given truck drivers are mandated to take breaks - which is the perfect time to charge.
There not in competition with tesla, these trucks r built for vocational, tesla is for highway van work only
Those rules for rest don't apply to loggers. Those guys can work 14 hour days. I'm thinking the people that run logging trucks and service rigs most likely know more about what they need than you do. Edison already has more contracts than what they can realistically deal with. The people coming to them aren't just some keyboard warriors. It's the people actually doing the work that these trucks are designed to do. They are in the middle of nowhere. They have fuel trucks coming to them. There is no infrastructure there for a pure electric.
And just as an example of what I'm talking about with the rules. We have had trucks like this show up at 2 am to start moving stuff around. The trucker is sleeping in their cab while we are loading their trailers. Then that stuff gets moved like 20 minutes down the road and we off load. We are using diesel light plants so we can see and large diesel generators to run equipment. People don't really understand how the world really works because they never see it.
Some idiot woll lose their 50 million if they invest with these guys. 😂😂
They will never sell multi 10s of units of this thing . Tesla will kill them in number of units out the door and sale price..
He won't say how many trucks he will build because the truck sucks,
and he knows there are going to be massive problems .. 😂😂
its an off road truck its not made to compete with tesla. the whole beef with Tesla is they wanted one of there semis and it took so damn long they decided to make their own made for the job not having to wait and then modify a tesla semi who still haven't gotten to full scale production they still only have a few hundred. well with in the time it took tesla a massive company to go from concept to a few hundred, a few guys have gone from concept to running prototype. and they have also started working on conversion kits so people can mod there own truck's instead of having to scrap it and buy a whole new one.
@@phalanx3803 Tesla will be selling 100k semi trucks a year before these guys sell a couple hundred.
The only way they will survive is to sell conversion kits ..
Something I told Tesla to do 10 years ago . But here we are most valuable auto manu in the world with the most sales of any one car model Y.. number one in the whole world . And you think these guys from Canada are even close to competing.. even in their niche...
While vw closing plants around the world .and other legacy's soon to follow..
They are so far behind they can't even give you an idea of what there units will cost .. all this cares about is refining the designs at a snails pace. Not any kind of business mentality at all . The more I think about it they will never make real production models.