Amazing, I have shot bare bow several times and had no idea how you were shooting so accurately until I saw this video. I would just look and estimate where I thought the arrow would go and it was a miracle when I hit where I wanted, this tab craw thing is incredible.
Thanks for explaining how to set crawl marks. Very useful. One thing I stumbled upon recently that Yost tab users might appreciate is the Jager-Yost Artemis Barebow Tab. I already had (and love) the Yost Pro, but Jager sells a conversion kit (the Yost BB Tab Conversion Kit) that adds another level of comfort and accurate positioning to the Yost Pro. It gives far more comfortable and snug finger support than a ring could.
Combining using the gifts and reviewing them and doing videos about them at the same time? Stroke of marketing genius. This is a great use of time management. Very pro.
Great honest review. I've had one of those tabs going on 8 months an love it . It did take a bit to get used to the moulded plastic an ring but now that im used to it i find it weird going back to a all leather tab. Youl be surprised how durable the kangaroo leather is. Cheers mate.
I use a custom fairweather I built myself. Brass heavy faces with my marks cut in also leather is in line at the top. I shoot under my chin. So Ive made my nock point 10mm long and use that as my 0 for my site mark. But I can get 5m to 90m still under the arrow
I have been using the Fairweather Barebow Tab for a while now... another issue I found out that plays along the lines of the inconsistency between the leather and the tab plate is with the leather itself. I found the kangaroo leather to be so pliable that as you shoot through arrow after arrow and session after session you actually start to wear a little divot into the top of the leather wear it contacts the nock. This constantly caused an slow decrease of my crawls which slowly raised my impact points. Cordovan definitely stands up very well to this... much better. However, one positive for barebow... I found the kangaroo leather to grip WAY better on halo center serving than cordovan... a moot issue on power grip though. For me, cordovan and power grip is the best combo. Big fan of the ring though.
I'm using a 3D printed plate ,veg tan leather and a layer of suede. For the marks I'm using medical white tape and a pen. Handmade and working like a charm
Bought a Fairweather for Recurve with the metal plate, but like you, my knuckles are way larger than the base of my fingers... The ring stayed loose... I stick to the KSL tab....
I love the Fairweather tab (for recurve) for all the reasons Jake identifies but yes, the kangaroo hide is too thin even with my draw weight (under 40lb) Solution: I bought a sheet of thicker kangaroo leather and the simple tab design makes it very easy to cut and punch a couple of holes to fit. Perfect and much longer lasting.
Hi Jake, what about using a lighter coloured leather and drawing a line where the string hooks? On that line you make your marks. Less movement when walking and more space for your thumb at 5m.
I much like the simplicity of the Fairweather tab. Thanks to the finger ring you can easily flip it over to e.g. grab a bottle. I am shooting it with 3 layers of leather, which doesn't last as long as cordovan, but longer than I expected. But no, the kangaroo is not water resistant. I mean the animal is, but not the leather. 😉 Another big advantage is that it needs no time to break in.
For my traditional hunting setup at 45 lbs at my dl what spine would you recommend also would you recommend using the full 34in arrow so my gaps are smaller will be gap shooting. Ill probably be using around 125gn points with 13 grain inserts
Thanks Jake. Great product review format... discovering as you go. Was considering the Fairweather tab, but it would have to be really special to get me to move from my Black Mamba! Out of interest how do you find the bow feel in the bow hand at differing crawls, always something I've struggled with, even using a low grip?
The low wrist helps heaps. I feel the difference in angles when I am furthest from where I have optimized my tiller to feel best. This bow is setup for 50m and in the deep crawls it feels less then ideal, but manageable.
Hello Jake. As again, great product review. I was thinking of buying it as well but decided to stick with cordovan & did my own tab design. What's your opinion on heavy/light tabs btw? Also, lemme be captain obvious, but marks will shrink down if you'll get lighter arrows. I've got 270gn 3DHV arrows for 3D shooting & my current setup with Gillo GT' 27 & Uukha SX50' 40 lbs gives me stable 205+ ish fps and my 3-30 meter marks are slightly bigger than 3/4 of an inch (with default K9-tooth anchor). Haven't been able to check those for further distances, though, but pretty sure that I've got more than enough for 50m.
Problem with finding the equivalent of an anchor point as a tab reference point, what about tying on a small nocking point to the string below your arrow nocking point and use that as the tab reference point?
Has WA changed the rules? I thought all your marks had to be identical in length, thickness and colour. I haven't shot barebow in about 18 months so I may be behind the times a little
I've just read the newer rules and the technical committee's findings. Two different lengths of marks ARE allowed but they appear to have to be the same colour. Just don't want anyone to get caught out at a comp. Great vid tho 👍👍👍
yes, only 2 different markings are allowed. Here you have a short and a long mark. 2 different, so it's legal for WA. This is how i'ts in the rules --> "A separator between the fingers to prevent pinching the arrow may be used. An anchor plate or similar device attached to the finger protection (tab) for the purpose of anchoring is permitted. The stitching shall be uniform in size and colour. Marks or lines may be added directly to the tab or on a tape placed on the face of the tab. These marks shall be uniform in size, shape and colour. Additional memoranda is not permitted. On the bow hand an ordinary glove, mitten or similar item may be worn but shall not be attached to the grip of the bow."
Watch this one: How to String Walk a Barebow | Barebow Archery String Crawling Technique Explained I can’t post the link from my phone but that’s the title of the video...
lol i ask you questions all the time then the next video i go to you answer them/.... lol one of these days im just gonna stop bothering you and just keep watching. whats your over all impression of this tab after more usage?
Gosh I know it must be illegal but l've marked my the string with a white paint sharpie and 2 marks on the tab to create a veneer effect. I was a welder for 40 years ,my thumb is crooked and all that hand motion is not for me
@@JakeKaminskiArchery thanks! Based on what I seem to be hearing from a lot of the barebow people, that’s pretty substantial. Mine is b/w 3/16 and 1/4 tuned for indoors. 72” W&W ATF-X.
And please keep doing what you do. You cannot imagine how much your teaching helps so many of us
Amazing, I have shot bare bow several times and had no idea how you were shooting so accurately until I saw this video. I would just look and estimate where I thought the arrow would go and it was a miracle when I hit where I wanted, this tab craw thing is incredible.
Thanks for explaining how to set crawl marks. Very useful. One thing I stumbled upon recently that Yost tab users might appreciate is the Jager-Yost Artemis Barebow Tab. I already had (and love) the Yost Pro, but Jager sells a conversion kit (the Yost BB Tab Conversion Kit) that adds another level of comfort and accurate positioning to the Yost Pro. It gives far more comfortable and snug finger support than a ring could.
Combining using the gifts and reviewing them and doing videos about them at the same time? Stroke of marketing genius. This is a great use of time management. Very pro.
Great honest review. I've had one of those tabs going on 8 months an love it . It did take a bit to get used to the moulded plastic an ring but now that im used to it i find it weird going back to a all leather tab. Youl be surprised how durable the kangaroo leather is. Cheers mate.
Thank you for this. I like both formats, just hunger for information and help. The tab from Amazon you sent me a link to has really helped a lot.
I really like your technique for setting crawl marks. Definitely going to give this a try myself. Using the horizontal line makes a ton of sense.
I use a custom fairweather I built myself. Brass heavy faces with my marks cut in also leather is in line at the top.
I shoot under my chin. So Ive made my nock point 10mm long and use that as my 0 for my site mark.
But I can get 5m to 90m still under the arrow
I have been using the Fairweather Barebow Tab for a while now... another issue I found out that plays along the lines of the inconsistency between the leather and the tab plate is with the leather itself. I found the kangaroo leather to be so pliable that as you shoot through arrow after arrow and session after session you actually start to wear a little divot into the top of the leather wear it contacts the nock. This constantly caused an slow decrease of my crawls which slowly raised my impact points. Cordovan definitely stands up very well to this... much better. However, one positive for barebow... I found the kangaroo leather to grip WAY better on halo center serving than cordovan... a moot issue on power grip though. For me, cordovan and power grip is the best combo. Big fan of the ring though.
digging the shooting videos and the angles, really good to see your stance in this one
I'm using a 3D printed plate ,veg tan leather and a layer of suede. For the marks I'm using medical white tape and a pen. Handmade and working like a charm
Bought a Fairweather for Recurve with the metal plate, but like you, my knuckles are way larger than the base of my fingers... The ring stayed loose... I stick to the KSL tab....
I love the Fairweather tab (for recurve) for all the reasons Jake identifies but yes, the kangaroo hide is too thin even with my draw weight (under 40lb) Solution: I bought a sheet of thicker kangaroo leather and the simple tab design makes it very easy to cut and punch a couple of holes to fit. Perfect and much longer lasting.
I use 2 layers. One original thin plus one thicker.
This was great for this video for a tab and height shooting. But I don’t know if you can apply it to most videos
the tape idea is great :) ty Jake
That went right over my head!
Start at the "how to string walk a barebow" video I made.
That is a great idea to concentrate on just the elevation!
Hi Jake, what about using a lighter coloured leather and drawing a line where the string hooks? On that line you make your marks. Less movement when walking and more space for your thumb at 5m.
Great video. Check out the Traditional Tab from Black Mamba Archery. Adjustable 1 to 3 finger loops. Very nice. Thanks for the great content!
I much like the simplicity of the Fairweather tab. Thanks to the finger ring you can easily flip it over to e.g. grab a bottle. I am shooting it with 3 layers of leather, which doesn't last as long as cordovan, but longer than I expected. But no, the kangaroo is not water resistant. I mean the animal is, but not the leather. 😉 Another big advantage is that it needs no time to break in.
For my traditional hunting setup at 45 lbs at my dl what spine would you recommend also would you recommend using the full 34in arrow so my gaps are smaller will be gap shooting. Ill probably be using around 125gn points with 13 grain inserts
Good review. I think I'm def a Yost man for now, though.
for me, nothing beats the Yost brass tab
Thanks you for sharing, nice info
I was looking for a new barebow tab and so i was hoping this helps me
JK! Love watching you make it look so easy! Thanks for all you do! ✌️
Thanks Jake. Great product review format... discovering as you go. Was considering the Fairweather tab, but it would have to be really special to get me to move from my Black Mamba! Out of interest how do you find the bow feel in the bow hand at differing crawls, always something I've struggled with, even using a low grip?
The low wrist helps heaps. I feel the difference in angles when I am furthest from where I have optimized my tiller to feel best. This bow is setup for 50m and in the deep crawls it feels less then ideal, but manageable.
Hello Jake. As again, great product review. I was thinking of buying it as well but decided to stick with cordovan & did my own tab design.
What's your opinion on heavy/light tabs btw?
Also, lemme be captain obvious, but marks will shrink down if you'll get lighter arrows. I've got 270gn 3DHV arrows for 3D shooting & my current setup with Gillo GT' 27 & Uukha SX50' 40 lbs gives me stable 205+ ish fps and my 3-30 meter marks are slightly bigger than 3/4 of an inch (with default K9-tooth anchor). Haven't been able to check those for further distances, though, but pretty sure that I've got more than enough for 50m.
Problem with finding the equivalent of an anchor point as a tab reference point, what about tying on a small nocking point to the string below your arrow nocking point and use that as the tab reference point?
If you’re not competing, that would be totally fine. You can also use your bottom nocking point as a reference I suppose.
Actually some barebow shooters end their nock serving in a specific spot on purpose for a crawl mark.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thank you for the thought, Jake. That makes good sense
Has WA changed the rules? I thought all your marks had to be identical in length, thickness and colour. I haven't shot barebow in about 18 months so I may be behind the times a little
I've just read the newer rules and the technical committee's findings. Two different lengths of marks ARE allowed but they appear to have to be the same colour.
Just don't want anyone to get caught out at a comp.
Great vid tho 👍👍👍
Are those marks on the tab legal for world archery ?
yes, only 2 different markings are allowed. Here you have a short and a long mark. 2 different, so it's legal for WA. This is how i'ts in the rules --> "A separator between the fingers to prevent pinching the arrow may be used. An anchor plate or similar device attached to the finger protection (tab) for the purpose of anchoring is permitted. The stitching shall be uniform in size and colour. Marks or lines may be added directly to the tab or on a tape placed on the face of the tab. These marks shall be uniform in size, shape and colour. Additional memoranda is not permitted. On the bow hand an ordinary glove, mitten or similar item may be worn but shall not be attached to the grip of the bow."
Can someone explain what the lines on the tab do cause I dont see how the lines help if you don't see the lines when drawing. Sorry new to archery.
Watch this one: How to String Walk a Barebow | Barebow Archery String Crawling Technique Explained I can’t post the link from my phone but that’s the title of the video...
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks
I would love to here what you think of this tab Zniper Barebow Tab
I noticed that by anchoring higher at 5 and 10m i have better groupings…
lol i ask you questions all the time then the next video i go to you answer them/.... lol one of these days im just gonna stop bothering you and just keep
watching. whats your over all impression of this tab after more usage?
Gosh I know it must be illegal but l've marked my the string with a white paint sharpie and 2 marks on the tab to create a veneer effect. I was a welder for 40 years ,my thumb is crooked and all that hand motion is not for me
Yeah. I wish that was legal!
Jake: What’s your tiller right now?
About - 1/4”
@@JakeKaminskiArchery thanks! Based on what I seem to be hearing from a lot of the barebow people, that’s pretty substantial. Mine is b/w 3/16 and 1/4 tuned for indoors. 72” W&W ATF-X.
I should have clarified it’s negative.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery that's seems a lot!
Just to be clear. Kangaroo leather IS known to be the strongest leather, next in strength is pigs hide. Cow hide and everything else sits behind.
look how tiny the holes are on that target face!