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Authenticating the 1950's Fender StratoTele - Fake?
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- Some very interesting details on this guitar! Hope you enjoy!
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1959 Sunburst Stratocaster
1958 Mary Kaye Stratocaster
1958 Gibson Les Paul
1961 Olympic White Stratocaster
1964 Gibson Firebird I
1965 Gibson Dove
1959 Bassman
1965 Super Reverb
1968 Super Reverb
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It's Xavier Armenta. He worked at Fender from '56 to '72.
I had one from the 60’s and his name was on a Mustang
Thank you. I have still have heard conflicting information if that's the same guy.
He actually retired later than that. I have a 79 anniversary with his stamp on it. His son chimed in on this thread saying he retired from Fender in the late seventies
www.strat-talk.com/threads/who´s-this-70´s-dude.347364/
Circles in the neck mounting holes looks like it was made when the drill press is pushed down to touch the chuck.
makes no sense unless they used really short bits. the thickness they are drilling on a normal bit you would not go anywhere near driving it through to the chuck
@@FirstLast-xn8ic gotcha.. . that makes more sense
@@FirstLast-xn8ic sure they could have replaced that drilling rig with a cnc decades ago but I think its part marketing and good business to keep things as close to how things were done back in the day. Its those old guitar we all lust over, so to know they still using same build techniques makes them unique in that respect. and the old saying "if it ain't broke , don't fix it" certainly applies here :)
Not necessarily chuck marks, but certainly some sort of stop guide marks. Great guitar.👍🇬🇧
Maybe so!
Definitely document the repairs and show us, love this stuff!
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this with us! The workbench / camera is an enviable addition to an already enviable channel! That guitar is beautiful - flaws and all. It has a story. And that's why these old guitars are so remarkable. Looking forward to hearing it again!! 👍🏻
Dude... It is great to see your channel grow like this.. New camera set up, new work bench and some brand new old guitars to show us, so we can learn and see some cool stuff with you!!!
I love the way you tease the story from the guitar just excellent preservation mind set.. Thank you for caring about these old guitars
FYI - The audio quality on this video is spot on. Whatever you're doin'...you're doin' it right. 😎
Probably just using a SM-57
@@Dylan90210 - excellent guitar speaker mic.
Thanks a lot. Moved to an SM7B and corrected most of my issues.
Matthew this is a great video - your set up is fab - it's so cool to be 'with you' when unveiling 60 year old details on a classic guitar like this - a musical antiques roadshow - excellent.
Wow, I thought it was going to be so much worse. That's awesome man. OF COURSE we want to see the neck work. Love the new camera setup.
Coffee on the work table. I, too, like to live dangerously.
Hahaha ! I knew that comment was coming!
Why not👍🏻
@@MatthewScottmusic water and electricity.
Matt, you're the Sherlock Holmes of modified or orphaned vintage guitars! Enjoy all of your posts, keep em' coming!
You know what's even more interesting, the wear pattern on the freatboard. It's similar to the one on Clapton's guitar.
Well when you spend a few endless nights tryin to learn clapton bound to happen
@@tylerskott4903 yeah, that's one possibility. But, players wear through guitars in very specific finger print sort'v ways.
You could always contact his team', but then you run the risk of losing said guitar lol!
i noticed that too.
I think this guy is full of shit...too mAny "coincidences" to be authentic
my best guess is that they wanted to intonate all 6 strings individually, so the only/best option around at the time was the strat hardtail (?)
Yes, also, with the Strat neck perhaps the intonation necessitated a slightly different bridge position.👍🇬🇧
I play drums, and I'd still watch you repair this neck. I love musical instruments and the history.
You are becoming one of my favorite "hangout and learn" UA-cam channels. Great stuff! Call me crazy, but I don't hate the bridge pickup mounting solution!
It has that Eric Clapton vibe, his most famous Fender guitar were parts guitars with necks, bodies and pickups from different guitars. And one of his most famous guitars was a double bound sunburst Telecaster with a Stratocaster neck.
Beat me to it.
I would like to see the fret work done so I could see how to regret my 70 tele good buy
AGCA customs, my friend (many years ago) Lee D. was Eric's guit tech for 32 years. He'd know.👍🇬🇧
That is known as the Blind Faith guitar, just like Brownie is known as 1st solo album/Layla guitar. Blackie he used the longest though.
That neck was borrowed from ‘Brownie’.
The overhead camera is excellent and works very well indeed.
Loved your dissection and commentary about the guitar.
Great stuff Matthew.
PEACE 🤠🎸
I think the guitar looks amazing as is. That guitar definitely has a history to it, and I think it's awesome that it's unknown. Whoever owned that before you made that guitar into their own thing. It looks played in, which to me, means it was loved! Such a cool guitar!
Love the new setup! Looking forward to seeing more of this guitar
Anyone else watching the coffee mug the whole time? My anxiety was through the roof seeing it almost spill. 😭
I saw an episode of Trogly's guitar show where he had a $10K+ guitar sitting ON A GUITAR STAND ON TOP OF A DESK while he was unboxing something else on the same desk!
@@robertjohnson1681 That hurts just to hear about it haha. I guess it's different when you are the one unboxing/working on the guitar, but I know with how clumsy I am, I would have spilled it.
I'm very careful, and my coffee is important to me👍🏻😆
@@MatthewScottmusic I knew you had it under control, I just had my own inner anxiety about it spilling ;)
Mere fractions of an inch away from bumping the coffee cup.🤣
I'm digging the new work bench and camera set up Matthew! Definitely a guitar that's been through some changes in its life. Oh the stories it could tell.
PEACE from Southwest Michigan!
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Love the overhead camera, thank you.
I would imagine you've handled enough vintage instruments (especially the Fenders) to spot a potential fake instrument just by the tint/feel of the lacquer.
You've had some really exceptional instruments, thank you for sharing as well as the great content.
To add... I really appreciate you getting the camera in close when you've talked about a barely legible mark or to see checking, etc. Quality video Matthew.
No need to thank me. I thank you all for watching 😀👍🏻
Matthew, good stuff man. Its fun to see a guitar this old torn apart. It cracks me up how little has changed in the constructions of bolt on neck guitars. Agree with the comments below about parts guitars. In the end its about the feel and sound of the guitar not the pedigree. Fix that guitar and play the hell out of it... :) Good job on you videos.
Great vid Matt as always...I've built my first guitar..a 'strelecaster' in lockdown so I'm definitely interested in the repair work !!
The decal on the neck is surely mid 60's and those frets look wider than usual. So perhaps a refinish in the mid 60s along wit the refret?
I think the decal is a later one-off.
Definitely would love to see your work on that neck, always up for a good lesson!
Yes, allow us to follow along with the whole process, please!!!! Well done!!!
Alright then there shall be a refret video😃👍🏻
@@MatthewScottmusic Hello!!! My apologies, I was off and running, errands!!!!! Looking forward to it all, Thanks!!!!!
@@MatthewScottmusic Never be afraid of putting out more content. I look forward to it. 👍
Love the overhead cam! Okay, hopefully, one of your upcoming guitars is a player's grade pre-CBS Strat. I'm patiently waiting to pull the trigger. Keep up with the cool vids!
The missing wood has been done with a curved chisel. Probably for wire clearance as the owner/modifier wanted lower pickup height. 🤷♂️ Installed a replacement neck without shims, pickup too high, won’t screw down more, so they cut out the area below the pickup leads and grounding solder on the base plate of the pickup.
Or when they put the wonkey bridge on there decided to run the new bridge ground wire under the pick-up because it wasn't gun drilled that way.
Thanks probably right.
spot on.
Doubt it was cut with a wood turning chisel or gouge chisel more than likely made a template and used a router for the cavity and block hense the nice tight fit as a carpenter that is what i would domyself.
@@kennymathieson2674 I think you are misunderstanding what is mentioned here. Yes, the main pickup cavity is of course is done with the template with the router at the Fender factory. But what is being discussed are a few millimeters of the wood taken away at the bottom of the route, done with some simple hand tool, knife, or a chisel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Actually, I don't know anything about guitars, but I really like your work. You are a pretty damn good detective too as exhibited in previous videos. Keep up the good work. Very informative.
Thanks very much Mike.
Yes on showing us the neck work. I love these videos!
Quarantine really makes me find these amazing channels.. Subscribed!
Thanks for another great video. Very informative and I love your new setup withe the new table and overhead camera. Looking forward to see what you do with the neck and what plans you have for the tele body.
Awesome find on the guitar...you lucky bast...Nice studio setup. looking forward to your videos; and wish you the best.
I've been enjoying your videos because I am a huge fan of 50s to 70s fenders and gibson. I just found out about your channel and appreciate the information.
This teardown was very interesting. Good call with the camera angle. The XA signature is definitely an awesome find. I think, as someone in the comments suggested, the owner had a humbucker installed before and switched it back.
I really appreciate how the guitar was modded way back in the day. covering the old string ferrule holes from the tele bridge with a plate and adding the new strat ones. I also love the pickup mount and jack relocation. If it was mine, I would only modify it to make it playabe. Keep as much 60's mod vibe as possible. One cool guitar.
I'll be the weirdo in the room: I'd put the Tele body back to its original configuration.
I love to see your channel grow Matthew!
The overhead cam looks very clean. Well done and cool guitar!
the overhead camera is really a cool touch. Very informative...good job
Would like to see more on the tele pick-ups- history of old versus new and the electronics set-up --- enjoyed this a lot - now I want to go build my own tele! Nice work, Matthew!
The grain of the wood on the body is absolutely stunning.
The string ferrules on the back of the body would not have lined up with the hardtail bridge, so the body was routed , plugged with wood and new holes drilled to move the ferrules. That's my guess. Those 6 plugged holes on top of the body is where the strings originally came through. The other plugged 4 holes were screw holes that held the original bridge on. I'd guess the neck was a '58-'59, the lacquer Fender used for those years checked the way yours is. Also, the grain orientation in the neck is very similar to my 4/59 Tele neck: quarter-sawn on the flat, very stable: I adjusted my neck one time around '83 when I first got the guitar and never had to touch it again. If you carefully move the copper plate on the neck PU there will be a piece of masking tape covering the magnets and there may be a pencil date there on the tape. Try heating the plate with a hair drier before you move it.
I love coming here and seeing what kind of crazy vintage Frankenstein players guitars you find and document. they remind me of the early 70's SG my uncle gave me for my birthday because he doesn't play anymore lol.
I love your videos! Mystery guitar stories.... Re fret it and enjoy it...the mysterious history of it makes it awesome with all the weird changes. sounds fabulous to me
Great setup and amazing content as always! Makes me want a Tele again.
That was a really enjoyable foray into guitar archeology. Love it Thanks!
Really interesting stuff!! I’d love to follow each guitar to completion!!
Looks great Matt! Love that tele-strat too!!! :)
Love these authentication videos! Keep up the great work.
I learn so much from your channel. Thanks.
Bro, love all your vids. Such an inspiration to me dude. You have no clue.
I've taken all of what you like in the way of gear bc of your tone. And used it to narrow down what I like
Looks like a restoration project ahead, thanks for the vid!
Subscribed today after watching several videos although (smiling) I am not sure if they make me feel good or bad, happy or sad to never have been able to beg steal or borrow and certainly not afford to buy my dream Fender Stratocaster which would have been a 1958er and same year I was born in Scotland. I am sure my first words out of the womb to mum & dad were to do exactly that but unfortunately not decipherable. Still next best thing is to enjoy the pleasure you have with guitars in general and sharing this with us. Keep up the good work.
I thought I saw a 59 on the neck heel, Great content and digging you're new overhead set-up Matthew.
I saw that as well...
Yes 59 ...I took a screenshot apart in Adobe Photoshop, when looking in CMYK in the yellow channel with mid range dialled in, it becomes a clear 59. I'd check other neck photos for his signature to see Xavier's handwriting style. Great video.
I think I saw 59 there too. But then those headstock decals are definitely, definitely not 50s nor early 60s decals. Actually those decals on headstock look very DIY. Those '64-65 decals had all four patent numbers in single line under the Synchronized Tremolo text. '61-62 necks had two patent numbers but they were in similar fashion in single line under the Synchronized Tremolo line. Original '61-62 would have Spaghetti logo too. And the whole Fender logo is misplaced. And if it is '56 or '59 neck... it wouldn't have any patent numbers. Those decals are definitely a poor DIY-job.
I’d love to see an update on that les Paul you got from goodwill. That was very cool. I love this series too.
oddly the decal on the neck is a CBS style; date would be 1965....hmmm
And even then, it’s not a very good looking CBS style logo.
With the fretboard planing and whatnot, it could very possibly be a replacement logo.
your top camera setup is great! good job
Can you do a video/video series on the full restoration of this tele? That would be super interesting!
Great work Mathew...always an interesting video. Thanks
I did that same bridge pickup mount system on two of my favorite tele style guitars ....that bridge that holds the traditional tele bridge pickup all leads to some of the squeal at high gain settings !
it also makes for much faster pickup swaps !!!
New setup looks great. Like to see the refret job!
The overhead is the way to go. It leaves room for lower thirds and crawlers and other graphics. As for that incredible treasure of a neck, it’d be great to see what you can do to fix it. That instrument is downright wonderful. Congratulations on such an amazing find!
Great video. Also looking forward to seeing the Goodwill Les Paul in the coming weeks.
You have some cool stuff and I do love that over head camra shot.
Oh and by the way awesome guitar another great video Matt
All easy enough to repair. Damn why can't we ever get stuff like this in the UK. And if we did it would cost the earth.
Probably did cost the moon though.
because Fender is American lol
I have read that the oldest most sought after Fenders are in Japan ... for whatever reason.
Very cool! Nice Partscaster...the overhead is very nice as well. Do what you do man!
Oh man, I absolutely want to see a video on the neck especially the truss rod
That neck is so cool. I like the overhead view.
the color of the wood on the body and the neck mach perfectly. its a great looking guitar
That is interesting Matthew, great follow on from your first video of this project,
Any chance of a part three, am wondering what the outcome is regarding the truss road and what you intend to do next,. Stick it all back together or put that neck on a deserving Strat....keep us posted please 😁
Keep us updated on this one, its very cool !!!
Great video Matt, new camera is great. Previous video really showed how well it sounds. Going with 6100 Jumbo's on it?
The overhead is great. Thank you Matt. Love old stuff
Nice! Xa neck on a 61 tele body. My guess is that she wouldn't intonate so they moved the bridge forward a bit and plugged the holes. The plate in the back hides the plugs. Good old-fashioned hotrod 'ala Clapton. Built at a time when you could pick a new one up for a couple of hundred bucks. Probably had a P-90 for a bridge pup, and routered it out for clearance. Awesome find Matt! Keeper?
don't replace the logo please, it's so cool! It might be weird, but it shows that it is a one of a kind guitar just from giving it one look.
3rd time I've watched this video since post. Gotta say Matthew - that cup of java on the bench gives me chills every time (lol) ;-) Been there, done that.
Chris Rea’s Strat ‘pinky’ sat under water for several months back in the day. After a dry out he claims it played beautifully? Go figure.
I just purchased a new vintage '56 RI neck in the box, never used and it had one of those circle indents in it and threads in that hole. Other holes were untouched, so I believe it's from the factory mount/fixture for spray finishing it
They still make a brass ferrule "bar" for telecasters. It was a quick search. Part of the description of the item was that Leo did something similar at G&L out of different material. Maybe it was part of the later "brass craze." Enjoyed the video and the new bench. The neck is the interesting part!
Yep, I’ve got a Tele with a brass sustain block in it that looks very similar to that string bar in this one.
My Fender rep once told me that drilling the through holes on Tele's was/is near impossible to keep straight. I just looked at my 82 tele and they are far from even.
I never noticed it before but makes sense that a small bit would tend to wander.
Definitely want content of the neck work. Awesome videos btw.
I like the overhead view, it reminds me of Daves world of fun stuff, he calls it his sky cam. If you have never checked this channel out its worth it.
... just don't Gooch the repair !
I bought a couple of squire 51s, which apparently were a replica of a time in fenders history when they ran out of tele bodies and used a strat body with a Tele neck, although the squire reproduction of this guitar came with a regular strat pickup in the neck and a humbucker in the bridge position,with the option to split the humbucker with a push pull pot,I was so happy with the blonde 1st one I bought, that I got a sunburst 2nd squire 51, which had a fatter neck and not as much figured maple as the first one,this guitar of yours seems to be the reverse of the 51 believe both are original parts just matched up to produce a pretty cool guitar,as always a thumbs up for your videos Matt?
The new camera angle is great man!
great vid again, love your content
Very cool guitar. Love the new angle!
the camera is killin it and the staof the video the Strat-o-tele is freakin unreal i love it from the blond finish to the maple neck and to end up being an XA you my friend have a streak of im not sure if i can call it luck , im gonna call it a thing that only good dudes get when their lives are right and you are doing it , so rock out and show that guitar who the boss is. great find
Definitely interested in seeing the work on this guitar.
I was at the Blind Faith concert at Hyde Park Matthew. Nice guitar 🎸🇬🇧
With the Strat neck perhaps the intonation necessitated a slightly different bridge position.
Excellent vid and cam pisition, love this great Tele👍🇬🇧
Great! Like the overhead! Keep it up!
Vintage tele bridges and hardtail strat bridges have different string hole locations, so they need to be re-drilled when the bridge is swapped. Nothing surprising about it IMO.
Exactly
I see that now. Whats surprising to me is that they would do the amount of work needed to swap bridges.
@@MatthewScottmusic While its not a popular mod, to me it seems like an upgrade to get better intonation adjustment.
I'll make this easy for you. If you're wondering if you should make a video. Ask yourself "Will this video have a guitar in it or an amp in it?" If you answer yes. Then make the video. Well all enjoy all your videos
Great idea😆
Keep it up, Matthew! Great content!
That's cool. Nice work on the investigations. What part of the country did it come from? Looking forward to seeing this one progress and get us an update on the '58 LP. Thanks for the videos
Maybe the truss rod nut is out a little because they had to flatten the curved end of the strat neck to fit the tele body ?
And maybe they had to change the position of the bridge because as a result the intonation was off ?
Love your videos Matthew, cheers
nice guitar, great videos!
The mojo factor of this beauty supersedes any collectors opinions. Love this thing! Can't wait to hear news on the Les Paul Sp.
A great looking guitar.
Edit: have you ever thought about a Jazzmaster or Jaguar?
Tried to buy both. Hasn't worked out thus far. Not too upset about it honestly
@@MatthewScottmusic I see, well good luck on your collecting!