I had an elder offer me a special bible study to “regain my love for Jehovah.” I said, “I never lost my love for God. I just take issue with some of the people at the meetings.” I am inactive.
Sadly love for Jehovah, means for them love of the organization. For some reason the hierarchy can not see, or refuse to acknowledge, that THEY and their 'beyond the things written' rules ARE the obstacle!
I got called into that backroom and I was like wtf? They said that I had a book and it was reported by someone. (I had actually taken it to a meal gathering after the meeting because I thought nothing of it.) I was like well I asked the post office why the book was sent to me? They said the mormons sent it to everyone, even my PO Box. When these goofball elders called me back there one of the first questions out of their mouths was "how do you feel about the governing body?" I simply asked back..."how do you all feel about the Australian Royal Commission's investigation into child sexual abuse and how the globering body is handling that?" They couldn't respond. I was like well I can't respond either LOL.
GB NoMore Funny that the Matrix is actually Biblically based (from apocryphal view). As becoming a JW I always viewed the Matrix as similar to getting snapped out of the worlds dogma, interesting how you view it as the opposite. I was never asleep as a witness, knew most the pitfalls coming in. Just never knew they required you to believe what they couldn't prove, thats never the way the "truth" was presented to me, nor is it the way I ever took it. I even publically took a stand against some teachings, I guess this time we picked the wrong subject...dont mess with the great Oz! Were you raised as a witness?
Actually, I was a student for 6 years and I studied with one sister 2 to 3 times a week for 3 years. I had a very closes friendship with this sister. One day over a text I asked her if we could just read the bible and not the publication and I started asking questions about Jesus and the organization. In that same text, she said she could no longer help me and if I ever come back she will be there with open arms but until then goodbye. That was over 4 months ago, she never contacted me again until last week just to drop off a memorial pamphlet. Its getting serious out there lol, even unbaptized people are being shunned!
@@unassignedvlog5556 thank you for the offer 😊 when that happened I just started digging deeper into the organization. I found a lot I mean a lot of Evidence starting from the beginning, about how this is all man made / man ruled. All you have to do is look from the beginning with Charles Taze Russell. I'm trying to get family members to look deeper for themselves. I dont know if you guys ever watch Eric but he was an elder for over 40 years and he finally asked enough questions about Jesus that got him digging into the scriptures. You should check him out he takes the cherry picked scriptures from the organization and put it in full context. It's crazy how it was right on front of us the whole time. Here is one of his videos ua-cam.com/video/1DKRMwjz63M/v-deo.html its mind blowing how many people are in this same situation but everyone's to afraid to look or ask cause the governing body told us.....that's the Devil! I would say that too if I didn't want people digging up my past and present dirt. Hope this help you guys.
Welcomed questions? Not really. Where is the evidence of his existence? Why are there so many contradictions in the gospels? Why are parts of the gospels copied from the others, where they not eye witness accounts? And there are more where that came from.
@Ibmiti Bmiti About Pilate and Jesus, quotation please. For as far as I know there is none. Think! If Jesus really did all the things mentioned in the bible would there be no other mentions in secular sources? The earliest are mentions about Christians by Flavius Josephus and that is disputed as an interpolation. It could be that there was a man named Jesus (a very popular name back then) but I doubt he did anything like described.
WT is mother of 144,000 christ present in the flesh; the 144,000 will get the global British 1914 license just as Jesus left mother Mary disowned her and himself became the kingdom. So too the 144,000 lose their status as individuals if they leave as individuals, but together as one they will leave mother Mary /mother WT and will be the christ, here in flesh, born, preached, rejected, but saves in a single day of death and 40 days of being flesh again saying behold there is a resurrection so flee Armageddon these 40 days. The asteroid impact date is TRUE and the United Nations command to stay home is absolute death because continent Flood baptism is real. Calculate the depth of the ocean and you'll see that magma meltdown under crust slow magma tsunami does exist upon asteroid impact to put the water canopy back up. The whole world that gets tribulation is the whole surviving world not the wicked walking dead. Thus all survivors will say we went thru hell with each other our own people. The demons will be purged out of the very survivors. ooohhhh got that right, honesty is trouble keep silent. BUT that's not using your sword. ua-cam.com/video/FFEdleJJft4/v-deo.html
I have a relative thats a JW. I told her this... That every time you knock on doors, you expect that person to be kind and open minded to your message right?.. She answered, uhh yeh. Then I said, "Yet you go back and become a non independent thinker when your at the Hall or when it suits you to block what another has an opinion on. Its HYPOCRISY!!! But Jesus is going to reveal the real TRUTH.
Yes we agree, open minded to hear...if we are willing to listen then share scriptures on a viewpoint, ask a question, then its the scriptures that lead someone to Christ.
Hi guys, this is exactly what happened to me when I asked questions to the elders about the peadophilia in the org. They got rid of me within months because I spoke about it to one sister who went to talk to another sister about it. I refused to attend their judicial committee meeting as I considered I did nothing wrong and should not attend their stupid meeting. They will disfellowship someone they feel deserves it and the announcement will be the same as a peadophile or someone who has committed a serious wrongdoing. They will get rid of disturbing elements who are denunciating the dark deeds of the the organisation. it is amazing how the shunning takes almost instantly place even if one is not disfellowshipped. It is a clever way misused by the org to protect themselves and to stop others to learn the truth about them.
I started having questions when my family moved from South Florida to Georgia. I was raised as a J.W. Everyone that wasn't a J.W. was supposed to be horrible. I started working at a retirement home with these amazing old folks who were some of the kindest people I have, ever come across. I had a really hard time accepting that these people who have always helped others, are doomed because they didn't believe what my parents thought to be true. I'm amazed at the hypocrisy. I have so many questions but I'm terrified of asking them because I'm terrified of losing my family
Please my dear one, subscribe, and ask us those questions, we will give you no opinions but just scriptures for you to build your own faith.(Romans 14:23) Its sad that now fear is keeping people from asking and learning. (Matthew 23:13, 1John 4:18)
When I was publicly reproved the elders told my that Jehovah had turned a deaf ear to my prayers and blinded eye to my suffering it broke me When I asked about the royal commission the elder questioned me repeatedly if I fallow the governing body
@@unassignedvlog5556 ; Kind of sounds like the Gestapo Coming up to you and saying, “heil Hitler” And if you don’t respond in kind then you’ll be in a world of hurt. You better have the right response to the Gestapo ie.(elders) of the governing body because they supposedly hold the self appointed saving power of life or death over you,. you can either go on living in their dictatorial utopia,or, be judged and cast out to the concentration camp of Gehenna forever. (CAMP GEHENNA)🔥
And once your given their answer, you had best not ask it again or ask it in a different way. You had best let it drop. When given the answer to your question, don't ever say that their answer doesn't make sense. Just shut up and nod in agreement and everything will be ok.
When I was df'd the first thing I learned was that I can have Jehovah without the organization. It's called being a spiritually mature man and a way of life. I've been reinstated since but left because I started to see the GB getting in my way of exclusive devotion to Jah, that I had when I was df'd. The congregation worships the organization and 8 men and put them and their literature above God and the scriptures. You're in the wilderness now. There is nothing in the wilderness but Jehovah and that's where he wants you. Think about Elijah and the 7000 in the wilderness. Think about Hosea 2, those who fled to the wilderness after rebuking "the mother", that God restored and said no longer will you call me master but you will call me husband (that's an intimate relationship with him for taking a stand). Think about the Israelites whom God requested to go to the wilderness to worship him. Think about Revelation. You are now free to find so many answers in the bible and gain true understanding as you are taught by Jehovah himself. Keep reading and digging in the bible. I've learned so much on my own that the holy Spirit has taught me. I have a personal relationship with God and especially Jesus now- that no man can interfere with. Keep enduring faithfully. There are a lot of us out here.
The most wonderful thing I learned after coming awake. The scriptures and concept of Jesus' ransome being from the grace of God. No undeserved kindness, no five meetings and 10 hours of service a month. Never connected God's gift for all to me. I never felt good enough to qualify.
@@tariblevins955 Yes! I found that wonderful as well. Especially after reading the book of Galatians. Keep enduring my sister & staying in Christ's love.
I had my JC last week. I was disfellowshipped for posting info through my neighbors letterbox on JW policy on shunning and paedophillia and for associating with disfellowshipped individuals. I’ve appealed the DF as they didn’t follow their own procedures by having two witnesses.
Appeal away! Now start talking to every one you know asking them if they want to move to North Korea with you and how all the people that live there says its so wonderful. Be serious. when they look at you funny and try to dissuade you say, 'You mean the regime controls all information in the society and does not allow anyone speak against any of their policies because they say its from God, and if you say anything negative they cast you out of society?'
Jehovah's Witnesses cost me my family.They disowned me when i was 18 and now I am 44. Loosing all i knew ruined my life for many Years. And then i Found the kingdom of heaven within me. I am no religion and i have a divine and powerful relationship with my creator. I am sure glad i escaped the Brainwashing garbage. To bad i lost my family.... Love you all!! Be the change you want to see in the world. :-)
I've never been and will never be a JW, but I was part of a Christian cult thinking it was just another church. And we were told that we are the chosen ones who will usher the Second coming of Christ and if we stopped meditations, which was the only form of prayer allowed, or if we left we would die. I was isolated from family and friends, suffered mental and emotional abuse, LITERALLY went crazy to the point where I was seeing things and finally had the courage to leave The most difficult part is starting over when that particular organization is all you have. Although there are still wounds that are healing, I'm in a much better place now, ive gone bsck to school and finishing off my degree.I can't believe I genuinely believed all the nonsense we were told (although deep down I knew it was rubbish) but I realized that brainwashing is real and cults are extremely dangerous
Have you guys read "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom" by former governing body member Ray Franz. They are an absolute must read
I would highly recommend reading them in their entirety, as it helps clear up so much of the confusion. I have them both on PDF file. Let me know anytime, if you would like me to email them
@@fitcwebb Thank you, Im not opposed, but I need to get my full scriptural bearing first, which I am doing now. I know I don't agree with Ray on everything that Ive seen from him, we are all eschewed by our experiences. So I need to be well grounded first, and these videos and subsequent conversations are helping. :-)
Sounds good....and thank you for sharing your experiences and insight. It's always uplifting to find like minded ones, who have not turned their back on God
@@unassignedvlog5556 I find Ray to be humble. He was actually very kind to the org in his book considering the painful weight of doctrinal problems and misdeeds that he exposed. The revelations are startling. I don't see what he says as being, erm, 'spiritually challenging' but rather 'Watchtower challenging'. Anyway, that was my take.
Like the channel "Ex-JW critical thinker would say. "I would rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned". This organization doesn't want anyone who is a critical thinker. It disrupts their flow of b.s.
Just found your channel & subscribed 👍 I was a 4th generation & left 25 years ago, after staying in for 40 years, never DF, but shunned never the less. Lost my entire extended family. I now attend a great nondenominational church..( who do not go beyond what is written), live a normal happy life along with my kids & grandkids. Leaving was the best thing I ever did!! Live your best life & your own truth 👍
I had elders here in central Wisconsin pull similar action year ago after I went and partook at the memorial for the first time in 25 years a JW. Afterwards I talked to several about WHY we should ALL partake, the child abuse cover-ups, perpetual severe shunning and denying medical blood transfusions - all "going beyond the things written". That was March 31, 2018. Two weeks later they're knocking at my door while I was away from home, so they called me and we begin a 40-minute phone conversation with one of these elders stating "we hear you've been spreadin' stuff around".😂🤣😂🤣😜😉😲
@@unassignedvlog5556 Nope - at least not that I know of. In fact, this past February when we got clobbered with brutal cold and snow one of the elders texted me to say "the meeting was cancelled in case I thought about going"😲I'm basically brandished as an "inactive" since I just faded stopping "field service" by the end of 2017 and the meetings last year. Got shunned yesterday at the convenience store as I courteously opened the door for two JW sisters walking in as they Shunned right by me. I haven't been to any meeting since November 2018 in the Chicago suburbs area after my 46-year old JW ex-wife was found dead in her apartment by her "Disassociated" mother on October 22, 2018. The C.O. was visiting and I taped parts of it and sent it to Mike & Kim who may be playing it on a video in their channel soon.
My road to being disfellowshipped began with me writing to the governing body with some questions that had arisen following the change in teaching about the identity of the FDS and when they will be appointed over all the belongings. I think my reply to that letter came via the elders in my congregation. My fate was sealed after that but by the time they called me into a JC meeting, I wanted nothing to do with the organisation. I think if they hadn't disfellowshipped me I would've disassociated.
In the end the bottom line is avoid talking to the elders. Threaten legal action if they come around. It’s impossible to have a reasonable conversation with a couple of elders. They have one thing on there minds and that is to get evidence to DF you. The bottom line is Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the truth. It’s s hard pill to swallow but that’s the bottom line.
Good advice.Spot on. I learnt that from experience. I missed the date, avoided calls but they showed up at home while i was sleeping. If u are not financially stable and still dependent on family, just suck up to them while u work on ur escape plan. Buy yourself time.
Elders are really ''company men'' who act as human resource agents for the Watchtower organization. Human resource agents act only in the best interests of the company. Elders search out any who are not loyal to the company, and those who are not actively supporting the policies and mission as well as individuals who are not reaching established goals within the corporation. Elders(human resource agents of the Watchtower) are assigned to eliminate or lessen the effects of ''whistle blowers'' by labeling them ''Apostates".
I was shunned for asking the exact same questions, too. Not df’d yet... I reallly relate to your videos. Stay strong! (I recorded audio of the elders trying to Debate me on my channel)
I was an elder and I asked some questions about the child abuse issues in the org. I was told to stop thinking like a man and start thinking like an elder by the CO. As you can imagine I had issues with this response. My question was... when I know we have a threat in the cong how can I as an elder keep the information away from those with kids? I decided to tell those with families about the threat. I resigned the day after and have never been back again. When you hear your story and that of others you see what a ruthless unloving organisation it is. I honestly believe we are all better off free of this high control group. It took me 40 years to see it for what it is.
The concept that held about one hundred members of The Branch Davidians captive was their belief that David Korean was God's chosen individual.The concept that holds Jehovah's Witnesses captive is their belief that the Watchtower Society is God's organization.The captives of concept or mental image their have of the GB or the organization seems almost to take an a personality of its own,so that the concept itself controls the JW.
Funny thing is that, while you are correct in a few sycophants that suck up to hierarchy, a great many I know are drug along with the threat of DFing...am I saying they don't believe main tenants, no, Im saying they are buying everything they say,
At Matthew 24: 45 Jesus asked, "Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his Lord has set over his household, to give them their food in due season?" Also, Jesus talks of an "evil slave" or servant in vs. 48, "But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, "My lord terrieth; and shall begin to beat his fellow-servants, and shall eat and drink with the drunken; the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be the weeping and gnashing of teeth". ASV Jesus posed the question, "Who then is the faithful and wise servant..?" So, it would be a question that remained to be answered, when? What is being discussed in Matthew 24? Jesus disciples had asked him regarding the sign of his presence and the conclusion of the system of things. It is upon the masters ARRIVAL that he rewards the faithful slave and / or judges the evil slave. Note: The evil slave "beats" his fellow slaves, treats them harshly. He also eats and drinks with the confirmed drunkards. This isn't necessarily literal drunkenness; Babylon The Great, the world empire of false religion, is said to be drunk, and also to commit fornication with the earth's kings. So the evil slave joins in with the known drunkards and does as they do. In becoming a NGO member of the United Nations for 10 years, did not the Watchtower "eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards"? Also, consider 2 Thessalonians 2, where again the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ is under discussion. "However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god." So, this apostasy spoken of here comes when? Prior to the "presence" or parousia, the second "coming" of Christ Jesus. And, this "man of lawlessness" actually sits down in the "temple" of "The God". Who is "The God"? Jehovah, is The God, the true God. And the "temple", what is God's temple? It is made up of true followers of Christ, and of which Christ is the chief cornerstone. 1 Corinthians 3: 16. Also, note again the warning respecting the the presence of Christ. Do not be shaken from your reason, don't be seduced by even what seems to be a message from the apostles or an inspired expression that the day of Jehovah is here. So, Christians are warned to watch out then, for false proclamations of the day of Jehovah or "that the day of the Lord is just at hand". ASV. This is because an apostasy will occur first, and a "man of lawlessness" will exalt himself above everyone and sit within the house of God, acting as a god. Watchtower applies this to Christenendom, but is Christenendom God's house? And how would Christ's followers be deceived by a "message as though from us" or an "inspired expression" expounded from Christenendom? The Watchtower has been declaring Christ's presence since 1914; Russell at one time believed it was 1799. But what do the scriptures say? " Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Matthew 24: 36. Are they above Jesus himself, who stated that even he didn't know the day or the hour?
The spot on imitation you do at 8 min. 19 sec mark of how slow and hypnotic the "brothers" speak and emulate, betrays their lack of authenticity. "To speak slowly and deliberately the message of truth to the brothers worldwide"
*@ **5:41** These elders do not have a sincere compassionate spirit like Christ. They have an evil spirit that doesn't want you to be questioning anything. These same spirits were in that room with you that day. These spirits force them to supersede the bible and instead defer to the teachings of men. Did Job not question God? Did Lot not question God? Did Jonah not question God? Even the apostle Paul asked the Bereans to check his writings against scripture to make sure he was telling the truth! And yet these men had their names and actions written down for our instruction! The Jehovah's Witness leaders, not the members, the leaders, are charlatans and con men. And they'll have to face Christ when the time comes. God bless.*
Now you have information that is dangerous to the organisation about how not to question the authority. This is why apostates are so dangerous to the organisation.
I was born and raised in the cult. From a very young age there were many things that did not make sense to me and even the explanation given to me from my parents didnt make sense. I went along with it...for years. I finally got to the point where I needed to prove it to myself, is it the truth or not. I decided I would study the very book that brought my parents into the cult, The Truth Book. I would write down any questions I had from each chapter and do further research on these items. Generation was my first huge hurdle. I could not understand why Jehovah would allow this incorrect teaching to go on for decades. Why would he allow his followers to be deceived, many would come into the cult based on this teaching, why would he allow that? I could not find any scripture in the bible that would support the "overlapping" teaching. The generation teaching then led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 607. With just a little research that too will fall apart. From there it was like a house of cards. It actually became too easy to pick apart nearly every one of the cults teachings. It does not stand up to even the slightest of scrutiny.
I studied for about 2 years with the jw's around 12 years ago and when my study went deeper I got to a lot of questions as well. I noticed it was not appreciated. I even got snarked about some of the things I asked, even though I think the answers to those questions were crucial. I never got babtized and left. I could not find proof of many of the organizational things they teach and I am not someone to believe things or follow people just because they say so.
Thank you for sharing...here is a cut and paste comment we have, that relates a bit of our story...We were not born into witnesses, so we don't ascribe to the wake up movement, as we were never asleep! Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after baptism we used several translations, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on the Bible in the ministry, and could prove everything we believed from the Bible without literature. We refrained from teaching dogmatically, just read the scripture and asked a question and let the householder draw their own conclusions. We never wanted someone to say, "but you told me", and they cant because we let them draw their own conclusions. We stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...We just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz! So we were never "indoctrinated", as they say. The mind boggling part is the switcheroo they pulled in who our dedication was to.
You weren't D'Fed for "asking questions" per se, but rather, for not ACCEPTING their answers.Any JW can ask any question they want to, but they can't QUESTION the ANSWER.
Absolutely, we didn't even get to ask our questions...it was on FDS...the 2013 article that raised our questions, is the same article they gave us to answer our questions...'Dont believe us, ask us, we'll tell ya again!' Then the second non addressing issue of dogma came out, we got that too, so that was our two official admonitions...yer out!
It's not just biblical questions that'll get you df'd, it's any questioning at all. Also, the culture is one of snitching, where you can't even trust your spouse. Many is the time where one spouse confesses that they no longer believe and discover that the other feels the same way too!
I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than to have answers that cannot be questioned. The latter is "life" in the tyrannical Watchtower. Absolute and unquestioning LOYALTY to the Watchtower is the FIRST and FOREMOST requirement and LAW that one dare not disobey...or else...
Praying for you my friend. I hope you feel better soon. I hope all goes well for you. I wish you the very best. God bless you my friend. God loves you.
Your wife said alot of them don't believe the faithful slave are the GB. My pomi sister told me that her and her grown pimi children don't believe that part either. I have to say your wife is saying what I heard even though I am not a jw and haven't been for years.
You can ask questions and elders will be (pretend) happy to help get you the answers (sometimes) but you cannot question their answers... If you do you will be kicked out..
What has happened to you is the spell has been broken, It's like the old Claritin commercial where they peel back a hazy film and all the bright colors and light is revealed. Just keep reading your bibles and praying. When I woke up after 35 years I was in shock for some time. I couldn't believe I had been so bamboozled by the Watchtower organization. So much they lied about, I had to re-examine every doctrine they ever taught me, but I found out that the Bible is not that hard to understand. Do start comparing Bible translation, there are some great tools online like biblegateway and Blueletterbible. Look at the Greek and Hebrew meanings of words, it's great fun. A few key people on UA-cam that really helped me and my husband are Berean Pickets he was an Elder for 40 years and started asking questions. He has a series of 12 videos that are well researched. And David and Vivian Aspinall on UA-cam are an older couple who are very analytical. Have you read Crisis of Conscious? It is a must! By Ray Franz--he is my hero. Don't be afraid to go visit some churches, lightning will not stick you, nothing bad will happen--thats just the fear and phobias that the watchtower planted in your mind. Hey, have you read Steven Hassan's books on mind control--they are a must read. Read John 6:53 in many different translations. Read 1 Timothy 1:6 (I like the Young's literal translation.) John 6:29, Roman's chapter 8, John14 and 15. I will be praying for you guys.
Hello, Thank you for the encouragement. We dont actually ascribe to the wake up movement. We were never asleep! Certainly not afraid of churches, had a study that was a pastor in a local church, who said "If I kick you out of my office it proves I'm weak in my faith." lol. He got transferred after a talk he gave after one of our discussions...lol. So no reason for me to turn to them. I can prove what I believe from scriptures alone. Rarely used literature in the ministry and publicly denounced having a WT paper route. I studied for 5 years before coming in, I'm very analytical, read everything apostate I could get, several translations, diglot/interlinear, no literature, until the last year knowledge book, and started reading WT...pointed out something wrong once and the elder going to CO work said..."Chad, that's just information to consider while making a conscientious decision." I ate them up after that, very helpful, I accepting what I found to be true in the scriptures and rejecting or back burnering the rest. Even after Baptism, publically saying I came into the truth trying to prove witnesses wrong and I still am. Sometimes I would get the question, "Hows that working for you?" I always said, "I win some, lose some." I never thought I needed to believe everything in print, several times publicly disagreeing and using scripture. An elders wife said, "You guys just dont fit the JW mold." I laughed, "I dont want to fit the JW mold, just Jehovahs mold." We like Berean Pickets. However we have only one hero, Jesus. ;-) I'm not sure your point with those scriptures. We never felt bamboozled, the shocking thing to us is how they have treated us now, for doing what we always have done. I guess this time we just went for the wrong subject...dont mess with the great Oz!
This is the first of your videos I've watched. I don't know if you are aware there are many other JWs who got d'fed for asking questions. They've shared their stories on youtube. I've not seen anyone who got their question(s) answered. All get the response that the org is Jehovah, etc, etc. Heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. How to increase emotional and mental agony in people, isolate them, and drive them to suicide...well done, Watchtower.
Yes I am aware of others who have been DFed for questions...but the difference I am bringing out here is for a NEW understanding. Going over the questions is a confirmation of sorts, an oral contract at baptism...you agree to, as they say, "the best career", nowhere in those questions do they say you need to accept whatever concoction they come up with that contrasts to what you agreed to. So they breech the contract of confirmation, then fire you, wile holding your family/friends for ransom? Breech of contract is illegal.
Always did...taking them for their practical value is something witnesses in general miss. Since being so austere, everything practical is placed under the nomenclature of "spiritual" {meaning serving the organization). So its practical value in life can easily be lost.
Personally, I D/A myself. I was sexually abused since I was a baby. I was told when I found the courage to tell, that it was my word against his/ I was less than 10 years old. I needed 2 witnesses. My older brother was D/F because 1 person said that saw him 1 time smoking 1 cigarette. Didn"t need a second witness for 1 cigarette. I had to shun him for 5 years. I was a minor. I was kicked out on the street and I didn't sin. The day before I turned 18,with not even one cent in my pocket.
@@unassignedvlog5556 , Nice verses. Thank you. I am not a believer anymore; but Kim and Mikey and their videos...Well, I still agnostic, but, I am not afraid to have a bible in my home anymore. I went in my bibles and those are nice scriptures !
@@unassignedvlog5556 , the way they understood you was really as nice too ! It is their brand name ! I am happy that you got out of it ! Enjoy your life my friends !
@@natashapeeters988 I understand. We find the bible a very practical book in life(something JWs have lost as they try to apply every single thing spiritually. And we find it an excellent sword against Them!
Brother check out the "Ex JW Critical Thinkers" channel if you haven't already. I heard it said there, "You can ask questions, but ONCE you have BEEN GIVEN AN ANSWER, you had better not continue to question the answer given"....
Yes I have seen them... and you got that exactly right. 2013 FDS article comes out (made no sense and raised questions) That's the first article they gave us to answer our questions. (questions we never asked) ummm…. 'If you dont believe us, ask us, we will tell you again.' They gave us a second article that explained nothing. That's yer 2nd admonition....yer OUT. (Titus 3:10)
@@lorrainejakins6509Thank you for your thoughts. However, We were not born into witnesses, so we don't ascribe to the wake up movement, as we were never asleep! Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after baptism we used several translations, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on the Bible in the ministry, and could prove everything we believed from the Bible without literature. We refrained from teaching dogmatically, just read the scripture and asked a question and let the householder draw their own conclusions. We never wanted someone to say, "but you told me", and they cant because we let them draw their own conclusions. We stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...We just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz! So we were never "indoctrinated", as they say. The mind boggling part is the switcheroo they pulled in who our dedication was to.
I was disfellowshiped for asking a question about 1thessalonians 4:16 in there Greek Interlinia, the word for word, which is on there website. Which says the dead and the living all go to heaven at the same time , not has each one dies from 1919 onward. Would you give me your thoughts on this Thanks Paul
I guess I don't know what your question to them was. But looking at the interlinear as you requested, it says just that the 'dead in Christ would stand up first'. Then in vs 17 it says thereupon (rendered in various translations "afterward" "then" "next"), the living during that same time period (but evidently after those already dead), would be caught away, apparently joining them and Christ. I must toss in the disclaimer here (as I did publicly disagreeing in the WT discussion, when the WT seemingly went on a short rapture path W15 7/15 p.18-19 par 15) Those ones must die first. (Matthew 12:24; 1Corinthians 15:36) I am not defending any date circled on a calendar, that's a fools game. (Acts 1:7) Perhaps that is why they are so desperate to grasp for a generation extension, which again I have no use for debating such. (1 Timothy 1:4; Titus 3:9) That seems more about a debate of authority which I also have no use in debating. (Romans 13:7; Matthew 23:2) I am just to imitate Christ. (Luke 17:10; Matthew 20:25-28) So that's my thoughts, if I am understanding you correctly.
Hi thanks for responding I was disfellowshipped for asking the question why in the Greek, it says that the dead stand up first (not go to heaven first) or come back to life then they go to heaven with the living the same time all together, where the witnesses teach that in 1919 as they died they went separately upon death. you mentioned the scripture in 1st Corinthians 15 later in that chapter in 51 52 and 53 it mentions that it will happen in a moment in the blinking of an eye when the last trumpet is blown for when the trumpet sounds those who have died, will be raised to live forever and we are living will also be transformed, the scripture says that it will all happen in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet so they have a false teaching. expecting it in 1914 then they expected the dead to be raised up and they stood on Brooklyn bridge waiting to go to heaven with them. it didn't come true so they stretched it much like the generation and the generation lap over like yourself I question things also looking to the scriptures. and I'm glad to know that there's others that are strong enough to do that as well. so keep strong brother and thank you for showing interest and giving a little time I discovered many interesting Bible truths over the years since I've been disfellowshipped for me it is being the best thing because now I can think for myself thanks again
Thank you, I did want to add one other scripture as to the "in the blink of an eye"... I wont be dogmatic but Enoch being transfered could fulfill both scriptural points. (Hebrews 11:5) But so could a firing squad...lol
Before 1914 they believed the gathering was an instant event. When Russell was wrong he had to revise it to save face. He was a malignant narcissistic who couldn’t bear criticism, and never EVER admitted to being wrong. They also believed Christ’s presence was going to be visible, but when he rudely didn’t arrive on time, they changed it to invisible, so he could continue asserting he was right. I think it’s in Harvest Siftings.
Great video and sorry to hear about the stress the WT has given you. Hang on to the truth! Sounds like you are leaning on the word of God and not the word of the WT. My suggestion is to find a good bible believing church w/ a proper translation. A good church is one that claims grace through faith alone in Christ alone. No works - you do nothing -- only faith in the redeeming works of the God Man Jesus Christ.
In Revelation there is a call "Get out of her my people" and the purpose of it is to get Christians to exit Babylon the Great so that they do not share in her downfall and destruction. Give it some thought. JWs are falling apart and getting out is the best way to avoid the self destructive downfall that they are creating.
There is no difference between the GB saying to just believe them when they say they're the FDS and Joseph Smith saying to just believe that he found the gold tablets.
My first studies of the practice of "shunning" were found among the Amish. Shunning served as a social practice, meant to bring reflection and repentence, by shutting out the "guilty" from interaction in the community that they not buy or sell in the community. JWs cannot be faulted for their dedication or their faith. Dogma however, is a blindfold.
I have no problem with the shunning practice if one accepts the tenants, that is until you change the rules once in. If you read the "What Does the Bible Really teach?" book you will see questions are encouraged, so you ask question get satisfactory answers and become baptized...then they make a MAJOR change that is opposite to what you were "confirmed" in., so you question. (1 John 4:1) They disfellowship you...is that righteous in your eyes?
I don't think shunning does anything to further one's walk, nor does it fit with the Kingdom's corporate logic of inclusion and helping others in their walk. It serves to eradicate "other options". The whole of learning requires we ask questions...and that we are encouraged to ask questions. Everyone benefits, because everyone is learning at different rates and can share knowledge to propel others upwards. Please don't misunderstand; it is better to embrace where we are at and assess the challenges than fighting about where we are going and discouraging excitement for the trip.
@@mladyskirk5524 I understand what you are saying...my statement was simply meant to say that I would have zero problem being DFed for something I agreed not to do, like cheating on my wife or shoplifting. But for wanting to ask questions.... this is ridiculous!
Certain "GB" Doctrines I felt was not Scriptural.... I Disassociate at 22 n took a "Neutral Stand" fortunately I was not SHUN...Mom,Sister n Brother is still in.... today at 62 the GB (8 Mental Midgets) mindset is even worse with so much "NEW LIGHT" changes by cherry picking scriptures to Justify their Thinking.... it saddens me to see my family holding on to the GB promise of Everlasting Life on Paradise Earth n the Resurrection... Brainwashing at it's Finest.... 😱😳🤯
yep yep yep yep, that's kinda why I keep my mouth shut however it's getting harder to-do, I did read once that a bird kept in a cage didn't know he wasn't free until someone opened the door. I think it went something like that, but I've come to realize that if someone loves you as family then you do ask questions that's just part of life, and if they love you unconditionally they accept you that way too. I truly believe that when all is said and done with and that paradise is here Jesus and Father won't kick you to the curb for asking a question, they in fact will love you even more for doing so........
Yes there are several instances of individuals asking questions in the scriptures(Genesis 18:22-33; Acts 17:11; 1John 4:1) However love always has conditions, else why all the divorces? It seems its a matter of who sets those conditions...the Bible or man?
In my opinion, being DF’d from an ungodly “organization”, is a non-event. For example, it’s analogous to being kicked out of a club when you’re 5 years old. Who cares, it amounts to absolutely nothing. In my case, I faded and never looked back. Whether or not they DF’d me, I have no idea, nor could I care less. The result is being shunned by a sibling, but that’s her problem and she’ll have to live with it. And when you break it down to the factual reality, people who shun family or former friends, are really saying: “I can’t talk with you because a New York Real Estate/Publishing Corporation told me not to”. Wow, I feel sorry for the mentally challenged!
I’m so sorry this happened. I’ve been struggling with the GB being on this “Golden” pedestal. I remind myself that Jehovah KNOWS our hearts & to keep living as he instructs us too. Otherwise I go bonkers. When you get your questions answered, will you pass along that information? Bc I’m not buying that the GB is the Faithful & Discrete Slave, has Jehovah’s spirit ONLY & the 144,000 are something else entirely. I mean WTHeck?! I’m so lost ~ 💜
Sadly Jill, there will never be an answer to his question for him to be able to pass on to you. If anyone ever dares to question the authority of the GB, or ask any questions when something doesn't make sense, that person is quickly called an apostate and unless and until they repent and blindly, unquestionably, agree that the GB is the FDS and what the GB says is 100% true, even when it makes zero sense, that person will remain a DF'd apostate, and shunned by all. The next time you are feeling lost, pat yourself on the back and celebrate! It means that your critical thinking brain is kicking in, and you are starting to see the holes in the WT story. For an organization to call itself "The Truth", shouldn't that truth hold up to scrutiny? Shouldn't it welcome questions? Shouldn't it jump at the chance to share it's story, and be able to tell the world why and how they have come to be chosen by God? If they truly want to "Share the Good News of the Kingdom" with the people of the world, then why are they DFing their members who ask simple questions? The answer is simple - The truth about The Truth is that it isn't the truth at all. When Governing Body member Brother Franz wrote his book entitled "Crisis of Conscience", it was because he began to realize that very same fact. He had devoted his life to God and to the organization, rose in the ranks to become a member of the ultimate group of men known as the Governing Body, only to realize that it was all a sham, a lie, a farce, and the only ones who were being worshipped were the men in the GB - and Jehovah was nowhere to be found, especially in the halls of Bethel. I truly wish that I could tell you that there are reasonable and understandable answers to his - and to your questions, but there aren't any. The GB are the F&DS because they say they are. Period! Which, if you were to put that concept into any other subject matter, it would be laughable. It's like saying that the Ford Explorer is the best SUV ever made, because the company who makes it says it is the best, period! It's just an absurd concept, and is quite a revealing insight into just how arrogant the GB members have become. And the fact that you feel lost is because that is exactly what the GB wants you to be! Why do you think that they push their whole "advanced education is dangerous" agenda? Why do they keep you busy in service, demanding publishers meet minimum time requirements and turn in time sheets? Why do they stress the importance of attending all meetings and Bible studies? Why do they control who you are friends with, who your children speak to, what you do in your "free time", and tell you never to watch UA-cam videos, read apostate literature, or speak to ex JW's? The answer is really quite simple: Fear. They fear that you will learn the REAL truth about the truth - especially if you are speaking to non JW's, worldly people, educated people, etc. They keep you busy so that you don't have any real free time to sit and think, reflect, analyze, and allow your critical thinking brain to click in. They want uneducated members, so they push the idea that school is dangerous. They don;t want you to hear what ex members have learned about the org, so they fill your head with stories of how apostates are evil liars, or tell you that the devil is at work and is trying to lead you astray. Meanwhile, you are like a hamster on a hamster wheel, constantly running and trying to do what is expected of you in order to remain loyal to Jehovah - while at the same time making you feel as though you aren't doing enough, you aren't faithful enough, you are spiritually weak, etc. You live in a constant state of fear, and the daily indoctrination keeps you staying on that hamster wheel - but, the hamster never really gets anywhere, does he? I am more than happy to share any information with you, should you want to learn more. I am completely open to sharing proof and documentation to back up every statement I make about what is really going on in the org., and have no ulterior motives other than to help people, particularly women, in their journey of seeking the truth. You can use the message system here on UA-cam, or contact me directly at klwd22@gmail.com - and remember - feeling lost is a good thing, because it means your brain is working!!! When things don't make sense, don't ignore them! Seek and ye shall find; right? So, shouldn't seeking include asking questions? According to the GB, no. Which tells you that there is something being hidden.
@@EasternStar22 Thank you for your thoughts. We agree with some of what you have written, and respectfully disagree with some of it, but you have written too much for us to go over point by point here, so lets just discuss one of each, in one answer. The questions we have to ask are questions that reveal, as did the questions Jesus asked his religious leaders. Anyone can spout dogma, make up anything and state it as true. Questions are the revealers of secrets to the listeners, the answers given to our questions are very simple and indisputable, but reveal truth, so we disagree foremost on that point. But the fact that those questions do not matter is the other side of the coin, where we agree. As one elder (at first well meaning) asked, "Well, what are your questions". (This is already after punishments that they refused to admit was discipline, started rolling for letting them know we had questions on the GB being the FDS.) I, afraid of giving them any more info, said, "No, because no matter if I could prove it DEAD TO RIGHTS WITHOUT A DOUBT, you would never accept it because you would be sitting right next to us with your head on the chopping block"...he had to agree. We cant talk about the details now, we will make a video about one reason why.
@@unassignedvlog5556 I'm struggling to understand what it is that you disagree with, based on your reply. I realize my post to Jill was lengthy, but when I start discussing this subject, which I'm extremely passionate about, I can't stop! So, my apologies for being long winded. I've decided to do a list of the points I was attempting to make, in the hopes that you can reflect and perhaps discuss in a later video. I completely appreciate and respect your point of view, and meant no disrespect toward you in my previous comment. Anyway, here's my list of 7 points.... Point 1. The GB has declared themselves the F&DS, however members are never allowed to question how they determined that they indeed are the F&DS, and disagreeing with it is now considered apostasy. Point 2. In a recent study of various religions, the JW's ranked as having the highest percentage of depression/suicidal thoughts, which I believe was at 66%. If 66% of "the flock" are depressed and/or suicidal, it is a clear sign that something is majorly wrong! Yet - no-one ever talks about it. 3. The GB discourages advanced education for 3 reasons...#1.Time spent studying/learning/attending classes is going to affect the amount of time spent in "kingdom" related works.....which could then result in that person waking up. It has been proven that cult members stay in the cult because the daily indoctrination works so well on their brain that they don't have the time to think clearly using reason and common sense. Those who are no longer subjected to the daily indoctrination are more likely to wake up.#2. Going to a university exposes the JW student to "worldly people" and they realize that what they were taught about those worldly people isn't true, and they begin to wake up....and #3. Highly educated people are harder to control, and they use critical thinking - thus, they won't easily buy into the line of BS the WT is preaching. 4. The WT view of women is appalling, and the org is run by a misogynistic group of men. I compare JW women to a hamster on a hamster wheel, because they are constantly told they aren't doing enough, aren't good enough, aren't submissive enough, aren't spiritually strong enough, so they keep trying and trying and trying, but never seem to get there - just like the hamster on that wheel - the end result is the same. 5. By definition, truth is something that can be proven by fact and/or evidence. Therefore "The Truth" should hold up to scrutiny and should welcome any discussions or questions about it, as it provides an opportunity to share these truths with others. However, the WT views questions about "The Truth" as a sign of apostasy, and shuts down questions by means of fear and intimidation via threat of marking, shunning, or in a Judicial Hearing, usually resulting in DFing of those who have asked questions. 6. When an active JW admits to feeling lost, particularly when it comes to doctrine and doctrinal changes, it is a sign that they are beginning to realize that things don't make sense. The GB is SO arrogant that they think keeping the flock confused is a GOOD thing, because it supports their entire system, where the flock is told to follow and obey blindly, even when it doesn't make sense. But, I see it as the opposite. Feeling lost means the critical thinking brain has been activated, and the highly indoctrinated brain is showing signs of fading - which is an amazing thing to behold! 7. The entire reason that the WT pushes it's flock into attending every meeting and Bible study, and making field service a priority - to the point where jobs, finances and home life may suffer, and requiring the use of "time sheets" - all boils down to one thing...Indoctrination. The busier you are with Kingdom related activities, the less time you have to reflect, use reason, common sense and/or critical thinking. The GB will try to convince you that these things are necessary to make Jehovah happy, and to secure your future in a paradise earth, when in reality it has nothing to do with works being beneficial to any individual's life. It is simply done as a means to control and indoctrinate. Tony Morris gave a talk recently, in which he stated that those who weren't doing enough in service have "blood on their hands", and they will die at Armageddon. If that isn't a sign that this is a doomsday cult, I don't know what is! But, it is clear that they use fear to control the flock - which is something ALL cults do to it's members. These 7 points are what I was trying to say in my previous post - so if you disagree with any of my points, I'd love to hear your opinion and point of view. I tried to keep it short and to the point - but sadly, I've failed - sorry! Thank you for taking the time to consider these points, and as I am a new subscriber to your channel, I look forward to viewing more of your videos in the future!
@@EasternStar22 Paul was the master of the run on sentence which, I have a tendency toward as well, so we decline your apology as we feel there is nothing to apologize for. :-) It was just difficult for us to separate so as to comment. But since you succinctly broke it down and asked, we will try to clarify. 1. Yup 2. Yup, but we disagree they talk about it all the time...we are the happiest people on earth, and if you don't believe them, ask them, they will tell you again how we are the happiest people on earth...if you don't believe them again, you have received your second admonition (Titus 3:10)...then refer back to point 1. (We cant have these sad people committing suicide while witnesses, we have to get them out fast so when they commit suicide we can say, ‘See what happens when you leave Jehovah's organization?!’ 3. We don't believe higher education is all that its cracked up to be.(but for more sensible reasons than the GB says). Chad failed third grade, in high school failed Speech once, Biology once. English twice, Algebra 3 times, and graduated only because the Biology teacher said, :You have an F in my class and a B on the final, give me one reason to pass you.”, and Chad responded, “You’re the only Biology teacher.” Tiffany was home sckoold so its prretty eazy to pass whan you teached you self. But we own our home, own three other homes on out block, our shop, and other properties, and are debt free and pretty much do what we want day to day for work. Today we took the day off to preparing for memorial we are doing at home. To bring out the other path, one of our sisters is a lawyer, and her husband works at a nuclear facility. Very prestigious careers. They have a nice house and a good livelihood, but at the same time they have a mortgage and admit they will take their student loans with them to their grave. Such is the story for many these days. Our point is success can be achieved either way, and there are blessings and maledictions possible with each. But critical (truth) thinking, it seems to us, has more to do with having Gods spirit. (John 14:16, 17; 17:17; Acts 4:13) 4. That seems to apply to all the ‘sheep’ not just women. (Tiffany's words there. lol) The only ones elevated are those with position, and we have experienced this Jezebel of an overseer wielding power through her husband more than the average male publisher could ever dream of. 5. We have gone at this one in long length... Truth is what you said...Truth for them is the religion...”the truth”, “present truth”(whatever they say) They think THEY are "the truth"! 6. Found this while reading a book on Hitler, his tactic was to continually disseminate misinformation and conflicting information so as to keep subordinates continually skeptical of each other and keep them looking to him for direction, clarification. and instruction. 7. This one is a mixed bag of nuts, as it only stands to reason that if you are continually reminded of the scripture about how thievery and adultery are wrong you will be better equipped with the mind of Christ. However, when you mix in point 6, you are using that to solidify your own ends. But again the one who comes at any info with Acts 17:11 and 1John 4:1, is protected by Gods spirit of truth. We publicly stood against many untruths we felt were worth fighting for, this time we just picked the wrong subject matter... Don't mess with the great Oz, or you get point 1. As they say, opinions are like noses(or behinds)...we all have them, and they all smell. We all just try to keep following the Christ through the snow, when we miss we have snow in our shoes. As for us, we usually have to dump our shoes out at the end of every day. :-}
I've never heard an apostate accepted back to the organisation, WT never accepts people back who they feel have been apostate or spoke out about their bad experiences with WT org. Never. Talk to you guys in two years time. All the best.
Talk in two years? Huh? I do know of one who was "apostate"(what ever the heck that means. We're apostate because we had a question they couldn't answer, the definition is wider than the universe, it has become the dumping ground for all whom they want DFed)
@@unassignedvlog5556 if you have a love for God & Jesus, you've been BLESSED. The WT claims that Jesus is only mediator for the 144k, and they do not outrightly indicate who our mediator is. However, they DO indicate that your salvation is dependent on association WITH and obedience TO the FDS... The FDS?!? Who does that make your mediator? Bc the antichrist is one who denies &/or takes the place of Jesus. Remaining in association with them would make you a sharer in their wicked works. I am sorry you went through what you did, but welcome to the other side!
@@heatherrants5881Thank you for your thoughts, you may want to see the following vid and subscribe if you haven't already... ua-cam.com/video/kStPJrfzFj0/v-deo.html
If the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one what makes them certain he hasn't infiltrated them,being an angel of light and they keep coming up with new light that makes no sense
The mind games are just one aspect of dealing with the doctrines of the org. Shunning is possibly worse. It was/is in my case. I found regular viewing of like minded and similar circumstances very helpful. In my view, your ressoning is sound. And you can never go back now you're "awake" to coin a phrase.
Thank you. We dont ascribe to the awake movement as we were never asleep, everything we believe we can prove from the scriptures. It seems most of the doctrines we have issue with have to do with them strong arming their authority. Mark 10:42,43.
It appears the intent is to make you too uncomfortable to ask questions they can't answer. By using psychological and social manipulation tactics they make you out to be the "perpetrator" simply by asking a question. It doesn't have to be a complicated question. Just giving the elders the idea you are questioning them at all will make you a victim of their mind games. I am of the opinion the number one reason so many people are leaving this cult is due to abuse by the elders. They're doing a fine job of making more and more apostates.
Tag...you nailed it!!! 8f the ly olgot over the lord it over thing the religion would double in size and they would be Ridin on waves of cash to the liquor store!
So happy we found your channel. You are right about Jeremiah approaching the very leaders that were "suppose to be" God's people. But by their actions they proved otherwise. God has nothing to do with any religion, including WT. The notion of true religion, false religion was invented by WT. There is no such thing in the Scriptures. The Bible enlightens people to a good way of life and never tells people to go look for a group or organisation. We RP's nearly 20 yrs each and have had many Bible studies. Woke up 2-3 years ago. It gets better and better the longer one is away from a cult. The Bible encourages this at Rev 18:4 "Sharing" in her sins (religion's sins) is not for genuine Christians who love Christ. Thank you so much for sharing. God bless
Thank you for your thoughts. We dont ascribe to placing them as the harlot described to Revelation 17:1-5. However, they are dangerously similar in fulfillment of Matthew 24 48-51.
@@unassignedvlog5556 None of it was ever true, from Russell till now. Look at how many court cases are fought by this harlot. And all the hidden child abuse. Give yourself time, you will increasingly become more and more disgusted with this spiritual harlot who misleads many. Ps. the FDS is a parable of how each of us as individuals conducts ourselves, that is, we should be loving our neighbor as ourselves, not beating our "fellow" slaves - our fellow humans. Have a little research into narcissism and scapegoats and flying monkeys and you may be surprised to find it fits perfectly in WT land. All the best.
@@matilda4406I looked up every thing apostate I could coming in, so I know about all that. So I'm not ignorant about it. However, this organization doesn't not match the literal blood spilled by the harlot of Revelation 17...and yes Matthew 24 a parable of truth that any who would claim to be a slave of Christ should heed. Beating fellow slaves gets one apportioned with the harlot...so while not being the harlot, being apportioned with her is just as bad.
When I was told only 144,000 are allowed into Heaven on the basis of Rev 14&7,I had DOUBTS. I Noticed the 144,000 we're 1.) Jews and 2.) They were virgins. I was told they were SYMBOLICALLY "Jews" and symbolic "virgins". So THAT Part is "Symbolic" but the NUMBER 144,000 was LITERAL? Yeah, RIGHT. . . . .
You know, I believe that it does not matter whether a person is disfellowshipped for a sinful reason or for simply asking a legitimate question, the treatment you go through is the same. It calls to mind that Scripture that says "and yet if we do sin, we have a helper in Jesus Christ the righteous one", but watchtower go beyond that and forcefully exercise judgement on you as to whether you are repentant enough or not. This is an incredible overstepping of God's forgiving ways, as only He knows our hearts, and only He discerns if our cry of repentence is truly from the heart. It is really inconceivable that they (the elders) have authority to put you sit in the furthest away corner at the back of the hall, stare at you as if you are an evil disgusting thing, and the people who know you so well look you in the face without any expression at all, all you are made to feel is, I will never allow any person treat me with such vindictiveness ever again. Furthermore, another Scripture comes to mind, " confess your sins openly with one another", the purpose of it being that in return you would be built up and encouraged by the love of your Christian family, recognising that "we are all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God each day". But sadly you get the exact opposite, you get hauled in by the sin detector crew, cross examined, and if they "think" you are not repentant enough you get disfellowshipped and shunned, all I can say is, what Scripture is that? If watchtower doctrine is right, and if how they deal with wrong doing is right, then it would be only logical to conclude that there should be NOBODY inside the Kingdom Hall, except Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, (of course now I know they were never there to begin with), but they are getting there pretty rapidly, they by their own ungodly actions and lack of true Godly love are emptying the organisation by the thousands each day. Sending love to you both, I too suffered from anxiety and panic attacks for many years, it surely is most debilitating, and not being understood by those who should at least try to be understanding and supportive most definitely heightens it. But you have real freedom and peace with God now, and let me encourage you by assuring you that it will get lesser and lesser as time goes on, I know now and understand that every panic attack you get is releasing anxiety build up inside us over the years. Stay well Brother and Sister, 🌹🍀💚
Thank you for your thoughts. We do believe there is a major difference in whether you did something wrong or not. I'm not going to get into those scriptures and how they are implemented. Because the core is much simpler, at baptism we agreed to play by such rules...meaning if I commit adultery I agreed the consequences may be DFing. However, I learned it was good to ask questions, and taught several others such in the 1st chapter of he 'Teach book'...to disfellowship us now for having question, is a moral turpitude.
@@unassignedvlog5556 yes, I get your point, but they are so hung up on being exposed themselves, to get you out and silenced is no doubt their aim. It is certainly not for bringing reproach on Jehovah's name. If that was sincere, they wouldn't be dealing with the multi million pay outs they are being hit with right now for child abuse. Of course the Internet has blown their cover big time, up until then it was only a handful of demonstrators at conventions, who you dare not speak to even if you wanted to. But disfellowshiping is their policy, and I bet they wish they would not have it now, they would have greater protection and control having us inside the org😀 haha, funny isnt it, it has come back to bite them😀 They are control freaks, and how dare you have an opinion of your own... Don't you know this is going against God, if you go against the spirit led GB.. 😁 Blessings, keep up your good work.
@@joanhassett-harnett5537 Thank you, and you are correct, a simple reproof and letting them alone, would have been best because most would have carried on doing as they were with some questions on non essential questions. But they are desiring such glory and control they want any non sycophant out. However, God has granted venues(milk of the nations Isaiah 60:16) that reach into every persons hand now. (Daniel 12:4; Proverbs 1:20)
@@unassignedvlog5556 Oh yes, he surely has, and His message is resoundingly clear " The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me, to preach good tidings to the poor, He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound" Are we all not personally summoned to do this also for those who we know are exactly in that place. (Isiah 61:1,2) I beg of all who are in this state:- "How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity, for scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge, turn at my rebuke, surely I will pour out my Spirit on you, I will make my words known to you". On that note I will sign off from following, I believe that Satan further uses the aftermath of Watchtower as a tool to distract us from time better spent studying His word and really cultivating a personal relationship with Him, without which we may again be caught off guard and found wanting for knowledge when the real antichrist comes, how will we discern his cunning ways if it has taken us many years to discern the antichrist who by God's Grace we have mercifully been pulled away from. It can become an obsession my friends listening for hours to the testimonies of others, and other sources. At the beginning it is understandable, as we want to learn as much as possible, but it can easily become an addiction, as watchtower has left that mark on us all, and watching them being brought down gives an inward sort of "about time" feeling. I say this in love and as a warning, as I was so suckled into it myself, and had to really pray hard and discipline myself so hard to pull myself away from it. I still follow one or two channels which keep us up to date as world events are unfolding, but because you subscribe to one such thing, you automatically get bombarded with similar ones that may be of interest, and that was exactly how I came upon you yesterday. Sending love and many rich blessings to you both. God bless you as you find the real Lord and Saviour.!!
@@joanhassett-harnett5537 Not sure what you were replying to as my thread is jumbled up here. But finding the real Lord and savior isn't the problem.(Proverbs 2:1-6) Its the switcheroo they pull with their authority as the Pharisees did in putting them selves in the seat of Moses. As for a TV watching you are correct, as with all TV watching. Most people don't sit in front of a TV set 24 7. I suppose there are a few rare addicts out there where it consumes their life, but for the vast majority they pick a few shows...some are for entertainment, some are for education, some encouragement, etc. etc. If a show focuses on the real life and struggles to remain Christian among one of perhaps the most dangerous spiritual landscapes in the world, that's more beneficial than some scripted "reality" show(1 Cor 15:33), or a sports event(1 Tim 4:8), or some fictional story of a land far far away in time or space. (2Peter 1:6) All things in balance. {Ecc 3:1, 1Cor 6:12; 10, 23; Titus 1:15)
I want to encourage you, I've been disfellowshipped approx. 25 years for having an impossible situation that I tried to resolve but I got df'd anyway. I also do not believe that they are speaking for God, rather they as not inspired, they have imperfect light, yet imperfect man received light back in the day and were able to write the Bible. So they are setting Jah up as the fall guy when saying they had new light because the old light is wrong - when we know the holy spirit is the most powerful thing in the universe. This means those men are not getting any light. As Deut. says they are also false prophets.{Acts 5:29 WE MUST OBEY GOD AS RULER...} Not 8 governing body men who have holy spirit?... Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. (January 1, 2013 Watchtower) Why should anyone listen to those who claim to "preach God's word" and is wrong! What are Jehovah's Witnesses wrong about? When the "end" would come! Have you ever heard of what the Bible says about false prophets? (deut 18:20-22) Do false prophets come from perfect people or imperfect people? What did Jesus say about those that deceive and claim the "time is near"? (Luke 21:8) DO NOT FOLLOW THEM! 1940 - “The year 1940 is certain to be the most important year yet because Armageddon is very near.” (Informant, April 1940, p. 1) Passed off as "truth" 77 years ago! 1941 - “Armageddon is surely near…” (Children, 1941, p. 366) More truth! 1942 - “Now, with Armageddon immediately before us…” (Watchtower, April 1, 1942, p. 139) 1946 - “The disaster of Armageddon… is at the door.” (Let God be True, 1946, p. 194) Before I was born 1955 - “In the light of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, it is becoming clear that the war of Armageddon is nearing its breaking-out point.” (You May Survive in God’s New World, 1955, p. 331) 1966 - “Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed.” (Watchtower, October 15, 1966, p. 629) more facts What did Jesus say about those that deceive and claim the "time is near"? (Luke 21:8) DO NOT FOLLOW THEM! They have kept every one in a state of "war readiness" which will wear a soul down and have done it for over 70 years - scaring people, telling them to hide their literature and have a to-go pack ready. Crazy end of the world talk, making people have breakdowns. The gift Jesus gave for all - have you ever been given a gift? Did someone then come and take it away, or set conditions on your gift? You can only have it if you wash my car every other weekend? That has probably not happened. Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Abraham was declared righteous - as an example to us all. In that his faith bore fruits because he was faithful . Let me describe this like this: His faith was a seed and it grew and grew and because of his righteousness and his faithfulness his seed became a tree that bore fruit and that fruit was seen by all (in his acts-the way he behaved and acted and dealt with others and how he followed Gods laws) he was so very faithful and stayed on course that he gave up his son Isaac -we know the story. So his faith bore fruit(acts) and his works are the natural fruit to the seed that grew from his faith in God. So in James he is not contridicting Paul at KJV Acts16: 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. James 2:1-13 is about loving all people equally and the law but go to James 2:14 and his letter picks back up again on faith and works: 2:14-18 Please pay attention to verse 18 - read it carefully maybe out loud its tricky. The point is, deeds are a natural byproduct of a faithful person. Faith will do something when a person is faithful, it is a natural culmination as in the case of Abraham -friend of God, if you are not faithful you will be outed by your own show of lack of good deeds basically and honorable obiediant behavior. ...Interestingly James 2 is about loving all people - not discriminating; its interesting in James 2:4-13:....making some people more important than others. (I use the KJV because the JW Bible has been re-written and has scriptures removed - they no longer match the Greek Septuagint nor the Hebrew Translations.)
My own mother has disowned me as a "Diseased mentally ill peson who eats at the devil's table" - nice right? She knew my situation and her Elder hubby knew too and stuck up for me in the meeting but it wasn't enough. Its sad that they break famlies apart with this shunning - not for 6 months or a year but for 25 - does that seem right? You and your farmily are together in this at least and not broken apart. Read the Bible without the watchtower, the Apostles didn't need watchtower. You will see what a large role Jesus plays and that there is no place for the governing body.
Thank you for the encouragement. Just an FYI ...I appreciate the scriptural use, but only scriptural citations are needed (not entire scriptural quotes) on such an unserviceable venue like youtube comments, meant for quick quips and one liners. We all have Bible hub to quickly retrieve cited scriptures we don't remember. I am interested to hear your actual story though. As for us, we were not born into witnesses, so we don't ascribe to the wake up movement, as we were never asleep! Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after baptism we used several translations, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on the Bible in the ministry, and could prove everything we believed from the Bible without literature. We refrained from teaching dogmatically, just read the scripture and asked a question and let the householder draw their own conclusions. We never wanted someone to say, "but you told me", and they cant because we let them draw their own conclusions. We stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...We just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz! So we were never "indoctrinated", as they say. The mind boggling part is the switcheroo they pulled in who our dedication was to.
@@unassignedvlog5556 sorry about that - I shortened them - i havn't written anything like it in a long time but I do have strong feelings against them. I was raised in it from 5 until 21 - told I couldn't go to college even tho I wanted to be a commercial writer, and taken from HS in the middle of 10th grade to work and go in service etc by my Mom then at 17 told I should date and settle down. I was a trouble kid I guess because I asked too many questions about why this scripture didn't match the watchtower. We had to read it every year - duh you'd think more people would figure it out if they were truly reading but I also did things like went into the public library and read other encylopedias made by other religions - Britiannica wasn't they only maker at the time because I wanted to see what their definition was of JW's and holidays were, things like that. Many times my mom tattled on me calling me an apostate but I wasn't baptised yet and only 10 and in the early 80's that wasnt a fad yet. So I think my Mom had it out for me because I made her question her faith in the religion, well she got rid of me. But I believe my eyes were always open. People were being disfellowshipped for crazy things same as me and I was there in 75 when "THE END WAS COMING IN OCTOBER" and everyone was selling their stuff and buying boats and motorhomes to live out of and quitting their jobs - they even made a special resurrection house in California for the first resurrectee's to live in - very posh. We all donated money too that piece of realestate - which is what they really are, free labor & discounted stuff to build a quick build on donated property - then sell it later for triple its old value - they are real estate moguls. Anyway I like your channel and thank you both for sharing your story and being able to keep up with a youtube channel. Jason Zelda has a great channel with a series you may or may not have watched; and Son of Thunder. I'll write my story another morning. Its not a fun thing to remember. I will say on the awake/not awake. I tried to tell people, my Mom and others and they are so in fear of or full of belief they cannot see anything of what I'm saying and if you saying anything negative it triggers instant persecution complex. Most people who get out and know they are not going back still find themselves defending that faith for no reason when horrible things happen there. SO I have seen the brainwashing and I believe it takes a certain type of person who wants to give up that control to others and just follow in relief and when they do they become sheep and do and believe what they are told - they want to. My Mom is one of those -no character, asleep. Others who are studying and waiting for a shoe to drop leave when they get scared; Some don't feel good about shunning and other things start to clear for them. I seen a million storries, been the stories. Most kids raised in it leave, you try growing up shunned at school and having a constant state of war pressed upon you plus throw in invisible demons and a god who see's everything your doing and elders who tell you to cut your hand off if you masterbate - freaks all of them!
@@thesacredmom2784Thank you for sharing. We know may people are bitter, and sometimes rightfully so. I don't get individuals that want to follow a man, I get it is only wisdom to listen to men. (Hosea 11:4) But to follow? No. We find that with bitterness can come exaggeration, so it becomes hard to differentiate the real from the exaggeration. For instance I have never heard someone literally say to cut off your hand for masturbation. (though someone may misspeak or mishear a reference to Jesus words at Matthew 5:29) Or maybe some psycho actually said it, but its not the norm. That imbalance is what triggers that persecution complex, as it apperceives a discredit when there may not be one. But you are correct, many don't want to hear anything negative...that's just not reality, and like we mentioned, you wont hear anything negative about North Korea if you live there...does that make them a paradise because there is no negative talk? It seems there is wisdom on both sides of the coin that should considered on the subject of college. Now a days, just by doing simple math, one starts out in the hole 100k by going to college. My sister is a lawyer, and her husband works at a nuclear facility, they readily admit their student loan payments are the same as their mortgage and they will take their student loans with them to their grave (as is the case with many college grads these days). Now, don't get me wrong, they have a nice house and a nice life, two beautiful boys, etc... but its a 'flow through' money system you live off of, constant carrying of the stress of debt, but that's the only way to achieve some career choices. On the other hand my wife and I have no college(I took a year of auto body), yet we own 4 houses, a shop, along with other properties and have over well over 20 cars (classics and drivers), all debt free...my point is you can make a successful argument for either choice, and you can make the pitfalls argument for either choice, but one should be full aware of the pitfalls and potentials of each before getting into them. The same can be said for the spirituality of individuals. Here they have these WT articles of professionals in various fields stating why they believe in God, while at the same time saying that going to college will destroy ones faith...you cant have it both ways! The problem the society has is the overwhelming pressure they put up that adds the societal congregation pressure, which alienates someone for no reason. We don't mind most of the beliefs, and we can prove with scripture what we believe. Usually the ones you can't prove from scripture are about their authority which we don't bother arguing.(Romans 13:7) Even shunning has its place, but when you withhold the truth of what's required and twist the consequences, it becomes downright immoral, especially when you entrap a youngster and hold their family in extortion. (1 Corinthians 6:10) How old were you when baptized?
I know the elder was not serious but it was some of the younger kids that didn't know and had not even touched themselves yet so he deliberately misused the scriptures that day it was a Tuesday night in someones home - the bible study night. But my Mom didn't correct him afterwords for my little brother, I did bring it up in the car when we were almost home and she agreed that it wasn't correct. My Mom pressured me so much, after taking me from school & getting me a job with a couple in the hall from midnight to 7am so I could go in service when I got home, she couldn't do private studying with me because I asked too many questions and I didn't trust her to tell on me so I wouldn't study with her anymore so she got a sister in the hall to do it. THen when I was 15.5 she stressed that she'd like to see me baptized before 17 or I'd be finding new place to live since I could work and legally be on my own in our state. I was shocked but she said she felt I was becomming an apostate and I was a bad example for my little brother. She was very physical. So anyway I didn't want to be kicked out that was scary and she scared me with shunning which was scary so I got baptized. at 16. I'd been raised it and it was easy to do so. ...And it was just as easy to leave, which I wish I'd just done at 16 because I gained all the family she refused to zealously see after she became a JW simply because they wouldn't be one too. She was very very zealous and went farther than most so I didn't see most of our family than once in a great while and if I got gifts and they were even close to a holiday I had to send them back with a hand written letter. They all just took me in and loved me like they had when I'd been a child. They said they were happy to have me out of there. I guess I see the religion thru a child eyes and growing up. What things looked wrong to me would be different than an adult. People do things in front of kids because they don't realize we are watching or they don't care. I saw men HIT their wives, elders do this! With no issue from the back room. I found out later "Its allowed". "Just turn the other cheek". Kids get beatings - bad beatings. I KNOW this. Kids get molested, I know this - I KNOW this. 16 years of "in" and 2 of trying to come to an agreement before they decided to make a story up for me. I didn't go to my judicial hearing because they'd made up charges that weren't true. So I said forget it, they've wanted it and they are tired of struggling with me so now they've decided to make something up. I'm not dealing in their politics anymore. I'm not going to hear their lies and try guilt me for something I didn't do. They didn't even have 2 witnesses.
We asked how the Overlapping Generations teaching made any sense and they immediately ask us if we believe that the GB are Gods sole channel and what are we doing about our dedication to the Borg? I answered that when I was baptised the questions were different and I dedicated myself to God and not an Org. My best friend did not believe the OG teaching, but he immediately shunned us. We have never been DFd because I threatened to sue them if they mentioned our names at a meeting. We were in our 60’s when we left and have never been happier. Enjoy your freedom!
Back to the channeling! (Deuteronomy 18:10, 11) Oh boy. So many people of zero integrity. All us forced out sheep need to unite! Ezekiel 34:7-14) How long were you witnesses?
Unassigned Vlog - we were both born into the religion, and I was 62 and my wife was 58 when we left in 2015. We are uniting around the world and building a lovely community of Ex JWs. There is great support at www.reddit.com/r/exjw and also on UA-cam of course. We have our own UA-cam channel under our names.
Thats devastating for some people(fortunately not as bad for us) Also some have dedicated their lives to serving this organization and have nothing! Nothing to fall back on.
Sounds like you’ve been in the organization so long that when you say you’re not bashing on someone, you are bashing on someone it’s called double speak, and that’s what they learn in the congregation and that’s what they teach you in the congregation so don’t say you’re not bashing on someone because you are bashing on someone thank you. Other than that yeah what you’re saying is absolutely correct.
Have you ever seen Eric Wilson's channel? He's a good guy, I feel. And I feel similarly about you. The problem is, JWs fail to see the difference between Jehovah and the WT. This is not by chance, this is by design, and the GB is at the center of the charade. If I am a Christian, my allegiance is yo God, through Jesus, using the Bible as guideline, not WT issued publications. I feel sad for all the good people who believe blindly on the GB, and worst about those who don't buy into all they say, but, still feel captured because they don't want to lose their families and friendships. Stay strong!
You do not need a man made system, organisation, church...whatever.. to belong to Christ..because you have already been given to him. The Father already has given you to His son, so it is not up to any man to say if you are Gods child or not. Commit fully, seek truth over every other thing that you do, seek God to worship Him in spirit and in truth, trust in all His good promises and learn who He keeps them to. The JWS get some things right. They stand for one truth that most of the other daughters have discarded and that is they do not worship the trinity idol. The mother has infiltrated the JWS just like she has within all her wayward daughters. She works from the shadows to bring this organisation under her rule, and if she cannot bring you under her trinity banner she will create such a climate of discord within as to bring the organisation to ruin. The devil runs all the churches except for one. The one that the scriptures tell us belongs to Christ..who are HIS BODY. If you believe you can sign up, take a wafer, get baptised into any man made, man run organisation and say "now I am a child of God" or "now I am saved".. then you are in for a rude shock when Christ returns to claim who are his. You are far better off coming out of Babylon than staying within her..you have your manual, read it! Ask God for wisdom, for His Holy Spirit, ask for eyes to see, ears to hear. Ask for guidance for light and for faith. He will supply everything you need just as you need it. I would be thanking God for being dis fellowshipped for you are free to follow what the spirit is trying to say to the true 'church' - the body of Christ. Let no man be your conscience follow only the man God designed this whole world for, the man He Himself raised up and put His spirit upon. The success of the JW organisation is mind control through indoctrination and fear, the same tactics as her mother the great whore church. Satan is the puppet master and he really does not care where you are as long as you are destroying your chance to find the narrow path that so few find, and even happier if you are bringing along with you, others you may influence. The bible is the only manual you will need, but you have to have a guide, and if you truly love truth, if you really seek God with a fully committed heart, He will give you everything you need, just as you need it. Look for the fruit of the spirit..it is the only true indication you are being led on the right path. Do not let anything stop you from trusting in God's word, just be very careful of the Babylonian churches interpretations of it.
Thank you for your thoughts. I really liked the master of puppets statement...reminds me of the song Symphony of Destruction...I realize that its not many peoples musical choice...lol...but it has certain truisms. As for Babylon the Great we dont ascribe that they match the description in Revelation 17: 2, 6. However Matthew 24 48-51seems to be what they should be worried about. We should do a video on this...please subscribe so we know your thoughts when we do.
I have a friend of 50 yrs who is a witness. I studied for a while but had reservations and decided to do my own research.This lead me to believe that it's a false religion but that the Bible is truly the word of God.I believe we are saved by grace and not of works lest any man should boast.To works to the cross I believe is blasphemous.Works follow grace.Are you aware of the Australian royal commission and the lies and refusal to comply by the governing body.The wittnesses taken to court in Canada presently and other cases of paedophillia in the organisation and how it's been handled.Also the fact that the witnesses were members of the United Nations for ten years until it came out in the news and they completely withdrew.Also that they have shares in companies like Lockheed Martin and and cigarette companies.I have a real heart for wittnesses because I feel they are so mislead.Sorry this is so lengthy but my longing is for wittnesses to really know the truth and be free.Our wonderful Saviour is coming soon for His glorious bride.Made white through His precious blood and nothing else."Just as I am without one plea,but that thy blood was shed for me".We turn from unbelieve to Him and ask for His cleansing blood.We are then justified through faith.The sanctification work begins.We are not perfect but indwelt by the Holy Spirit to convict us.Then we will be glorified.God always has a remnant.If you don't know Son of thunder I would highly recommend his channel.I sincerely pray as you seek the truth of God's word that he will reveal himself to you in ways you never imagined.With every blessing.
Please see our other videos..you will learn we are not ignorant, Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after we used several translation, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on Bible in ministry, they have a lot of Bible truths, but we stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...we just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz!
I'm not out, but just the mistreatment and then that I cannot speak about it sincerely with anyone it does my head in. Then if they knew that I have the same misbeliefs like you and I cannot speak about that with anyone either. It's just mental torture, and the mistreatment makes it emotional torture. And it's all about control. God is not about control, he doesn't want control. Watching videos about other subjects have made see more and more that total control is the devil's game. And that gives the organisation's whole system a new very dark twist.
yes as and active member i have found there is something very odd going on everything is so overcomplicated i often wonder why jehovah doesnt end it at any point, but i dont think he is ready to excercise judgement until the organization is cleansed and it may be a while i believe artificial intelligence AI will prove it or correct it. stay strong
The Pharisee Rabbi's will tell you that the handwashing was not up to the elbows before a meal, that was invented by someone else, now they wanted to be viewed as holy as the priests in the temple, most likely in my opinion, but they invented a prayer for washing hands before eating bread, it was a ceremonial two-handled vessel, nothing like a ceremony to make a worshiper feel like they are being holy. It's also part of the many prayers or behaviors that the Pharisees invented for righteous Jews to follow, it's the pride and of being better, these were never in the Bible. So some history from a Jewish source, I prefer to go to Nehemiawall dot com or to A Rood Awakening dot TV but I also look at the site called my Jewish learning because this gives us incite, we no longer have to wait on men in suits from a podium to tell us the research, "Origins of Netilat Yadayim The tradition of netilat yadayim prior to eating bread originated with the rabbis of the Talmud. It derives from various practices concerning ritual impurity from when the ancient Temple stood in Jerusalem. The priests who performed the temple rituals were given gifts of oil, wine and wheat that could be eaten only after ritual washing. For various reasons, the ancient rabbis extended this practice to all Jews before eating meals. Some sources suggest that the practice was instituted so the Temple’s washing ritual would not be forgotten." www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hand-washing/ The org started with a lie, Jesus said to be aware of those who would say he came in secret and only to them, they are ... the Org we once thought we were going to learn from. those parasitic set apart holier than ... well you know. Yeshua does reign from Heaven and He did send his Helper the Holy Spirit, as you can read in Acts 2 when Peter talks about how they were on the Temple grounds and the holy spirits= was sent by Yeshua's breath as a rushing wind and the flames of light. Giving them the ability to speak to all those people at the Temple who arrived from other countries for the event of the 50th day from Passover. If you want to really know what Pentecost was all about here's a good explanation aroodawakening.tv/feast/shavuot/
That is because to be a "good society-organization man" , you must go by the script. It is impossible to reason with them because they sacrificed their critical thinking and intuition to become "soceity-men" instead of loving christian men.
I read off google that Rutherford was jealous of Russel for his beard cause Rutherford couldn’t grow one , so he banned them, true or not I can’t prove but interesting possibilities
I was thinking similarly, but along the angle that Russel and those who may have fought him for WT control may have had beards, so he socially banned them(I did not research this, just a hunch at this point)...much the same way tesla was made to look like the mad scientist trying to take over the word in comics.
@@unassignedvlog5556 😂 Haha, love that.... It takes me back in time, my children used to love Tesia, 👶😔 but that was before the knock came on the door, and I was admonished to remove the comic books and shove awake and watchtowers in their faces... What was I thinking, how could I give anyone that authority over how I raised my children.
There is a difference between having Jehovah without THE organization, and having him without HIS own organizing (ways of organization). Some one could say THE organization is Catholic, others could say it is Anglican, others Russian Orthodox. THE organization is not specifically Jehovah otherwise wicked king Saul was doing all Jah wanted and we should obey and suffer with it, which means David come into Saul and let himself not just be shunned but actually killed. Do you really think Samuel sent a flyer out of 1million copies saying David is your king, do not obey Saul anymore who says kill David. The true organization is 144,000 not the governing body who fed them (but then also beat them as Jesus said the GB-FDS might dare to do). Just because Jesus warned and predicted it could be that way, did not mean the GB-FDS had to comply and make it true saying see Jesus came true again, we are beating our flock, even the least anointed brothers of heaven using appointed elders to beat them.
Jehovahs Channel. Considering rev 11 which speaks of two witnesses Identifying them , Remembering it was important for jesus to fulfill the earthly prophecies.. The two witnesses too Have been given authority from the Almighty For the things they've done and continue to do Verse 5 and 6 hints. There were also.prophecies happening to jesus Of which he had nothing controlling over it. Ps 22 :18. If the imprisonment was theirs to influence, And it wasnt That was false religionists and the government And their early release Was timed perfectly to 42 months or 3 and a half years When the Holy temple was Trampled by the nations It was not by means of them but Worldly organisations that Sought justice, like " amnesty " do . Whist it was 20 years for sedition, theyd been sentenced to ! Remarkable ! Jesus said " when the Son of Man arrives , will he really find the faith "? Determined we must be so that our faith survives.. Its a real spiritual war That We need to really fight.
I can't help but to think of 1st timothy 4:3 where they forbid to marry, i know its probably not written in any of the publications but it sure is pushed in the congregation, just makes me wonder what exactly is the Watchtower and what are they really doing, because its not anyway in the
@@dantoinettetaylor1663Its This one on ("Disfellowshipped for having a question, psychological mind game-Breakfast Soapbox 1") about the 1 minute mark, I briefly discuss it.
Their hipocracy runs so deep, that I have friends and family who won't talk to me but they have not "turned me in" either. And it's all due to questions that their doctrine cannot answer. We have come to realize that The Father alone, will guide you if you humbly beg Him for enlightenment through the merits of Christ's sacrifice. He is searching for the chosen before the winds are let loose... Rev. 7 : 1-6
One question was, how can you "wash your robes" in the blood of the Lamb, and not partake? If the end is so near, why are so many more partaking? The understanding was that the anointed were dying off and then the end.
@@mrsdanmillerI will refrain from being dogmatic, but we have always appreciated the seemingly slight difference between being given new robes(Rev 6:11) and washing robes(Rev 22:14). As for the end being near and more partakers, again not to be dogmatic, but it would stand to reason, even within JW theology(though hierarchy may not like it) that there are more living today than living previously, so it would stand to reason if one were to rule a people you must be familiar with the culture and the idiosyncrasies of the time period. The gradual dying off thing was not a Biblical teaching. The scriptures simply say they must die first. (John 12:24, 1Corinthians 15:36) Apparently those at the end will all die in relatively close proximity.(1Thessalonians 4:17) This may indicate a transfer to death such as Enoch, or executed or natural death until the number is fulfilled. (Hebrews 11:5) It seems best not to b dogmatic. Whatever the case, tbut apparently they must be dead and resurrected by the time Armageddon is carried out. (Revelation 17:14)
I am so sorry for what you are going through. My grandson is being sucked into that organization and there's nothing we can say to change his mind. I guess it's just 'live and learn'. Being Disfellowshipped is such a traumatic event. Indoctrination roots run deep. I used to be an SDA....the precursor of the JW"s. I left because it was all about 'Ellen White". She can't save me no more than 'God's Organization' can save you. Yeshuah died to save us from our sins and we can only access the Father through him. Really, there's nothing else. Father Yahuwah will not forsake you. Perhaps you will come to see this as a 'blessing' one day. Perhaps it is time to realize that you need to put your trust in the ONE and not the THING. Blessings
@@unassignedvlog5556 Then, it was a blessing. We all have to pass through the Refiner's fire. Praise, Yah, because he delivers us from all of our trials. Blessings.
Lets share Matthew 5-7 the sermon on the mount with attention to Matthew 6. Dont show off. Dont show off by giving charity where others SEE you do it. Dont pray in public. Dont pray on the streets. Go to your room and pray where ONLY god sees you. If anyone sees you pray...then their thoughts about your devotion is all the reward you are going to get. It goes ON to say to NOT pray in church. Apparently prayer was supposed to be a PRIVATE conversation with your god. Now if a religious group DISAGREES with that...yet claims to be followers of Jesus is that a problem? If they follow Jesus then shouldnt Jesus be the FINAL word unless Jehovah himself speaks in a loud voice from the sky? Do JWs pray at the Kingdom Hall? The true religion allows ANY questions. What happened when Thomas doubted? Was he told...how DARE you doubt? You have lost eternal life? Was he not allegedly shown evidence? Suppose Jesus was asked which was more important....law vs life? Would he for example get a sheep out of a ditch on a sabbath to save the sheep? Jesus said he would. Would the governing body allow a transfusion to save a life and put life over law? Apparently once again the GB disagrees with Jesus. If the governing body and Jesus disagree....who should you follow IF you claim to be Christian? Lets do another example. What if Jesus was asked if he...would ever associate with sinners or tax collectors? Wasnt he ridiculed by religious leaders in the bible stories for doing just that? Didnt he ask folks without sin to cast the first stone? Did he not say to stop complaining about the straw in your brothers eye and yet ignoring the rafter (huge beam of wood) in your own? So if the GB or even other bible characters promoted shunning, whom should you follow if they disagree with Jesus IF you claim to be Christian? The WT org has times with the WT GB disagree with Jesus and yet....the correct action per that group is to follow the GB...even if Jesus disagreed. Does that seem right to you re a group that calls itself Christian? KDRogersMD on twitter Be forewarned, I am NOT....a Christian. The JWs claim to be. I was a JW kid...then found out Noah's global flood circa 1565 years after biblical Adam (See Genesis 5 and Noah's supposed age at the flood per Gen. 7 to get this number) NEVER happened. Look up when the native Americans got to America. All life NOT on the ark allegedly died yet...the Native Americans just ....failed to notice the flood. The plants and animals they used for food....just failed to die in the flood. Check every OTHER continent save the Arctic and Antarctic. Look up when people arrived there. Find out if they failed to notice humanity had not started yet with Adam 6000 years ago. See if they failed to notice a global flood of Noah and the flood fame. When the org mentioned Adam....we pictured a middle Eastern garden and NOT a planet with people already on every continent. When they mentioned a global flood, we pictured Noah and an ark...not people, plants and animals world wide that failed to die. Once you widen your view of the planet WHEN the creation of humanity allegedly happened....and when the flood allegedly happened, you cant ...unsee it. All those versus you found dull in bible reading where someone was X years old and beget someone else or an event happened...allows building a time line of bible events. Now these events either had to happen where, when and how the bible said or ....the bible is not the inerrant word of anyone. Also please DO look up Canaanite gods, El, Asherah, Yahweh. See for example Wikipedia Yahweh. No its not the final word but is a place to begin. Yahweh was a bronze age addition to the El and Asherah fictional family of gods as a lesser god. Yahweh priests rose in power and so the spin became that Yahweh was the high god. See Exodus 20. It does NOT say....dont believe other gods are real. It says that none of those OTHER GODS...should be in priority to Yahweh. The spin that Yahweh was always the ONLY god was a later development. Note the original version of Yahweh per the bible...walked in the garden of Eden, had a face....that no man could see and yet live, had a right hand near where the favored would sit etc. The later version was that god was an all knowing, all powerful spirit being who could foresee the future. That the description of the god changed smelled of human construct. Humanity changed its exception as to what a god should be. Also realize that if YOU stole something, and let someone else take the blame and go to prison, that would be TWO wrongs. It is an injustice to allow another, an innocent, to pay for your misdeeds. Christianity is based on that premise. You do wrong yet....are supposed to let Jesus pay for that. Morally its wrong. But wait...Yahweh will knock up a Jewish girl who had not yet known a man and was betrothed to another....to create the baby to be used as a human sacrifice. Morally repugnant? Based on the power difference between a god and a girl....wasnt this essentially rape? The penalty for having sex with a betrothed female of another ....was DEATH. So by Jewish law....Yahweh should be put to death for that. Yet YOU are to agree to that, accept that rape. Accept a human sacrifice. Then you are to gain from it by using Jesus supposedly as a scapegoat. So what happened? Could Yahweh not allegedly foresee that he was going to use Mary? So why break his own laws and not tell her BEFORE she agreed to be betrothed to Joseph? Realize that since Mary was betrothed....she had to object to being impregnated by another OR merit the death penalty. Once Yahweh knocked up Mary....was he to do the honorable thing and marry her? Yet he did not. Did ya notice that? He knocked up a woman then dumped responsibility on another ie left Joseph to take care of her and the kid? Is Yahweh really the role model for family values? So Yahweh knocks up a Jewish girl betrothed to someone else. If you believe as the writers claimed...but she really wanted it...then ya would be parroting words of most rapists. The bible writers went that route. It still was a violation of Jewish law and morality. Meanwhile how did Joseph feel about someone else impregnating his betrothed? Yahweh apparently did not care. Joseph was mostly irrelevant in the story. How kind was that? Jewish law indicates that an unkindness of that magnitude merits death and if the girl is willing...of both offending parties. Joseph should have been relevant. Granted since Yahweh fails re the Adam story, Noah story, creation story, tower of Babel story (re all the world was ONE language yet the Egyptians and Sumerians had not only different spoken languages but different written ones by the supposed flood date) then the impregnation of Mary story was fiction. You may not LIKE what I have said but that doesnt make the issues I have raised NOT a problem. KDRogersMD on twitter
@@unassignedvlog5556 You must google it. It was a court setting where a WT lawyer, and I think, Franz, testified. They were defending the right to conscientious objection to serving in the army. But they basically said that unity amongst jws was more important than truth. And it was better to be United in believing a lie than to have disunity. It's riveting reading!
@@RupunzelsawakeInteresting...we will make a video on this at some point, but when we first questioned the GB being the FDS in one of our meetings one of the elders (New SKE GRAD sent to our hall) has me read. 1Corinthians 1:10. So I read...take a slight pause and continue... "For the disclosure was made to me about YOU, my brothers, by those of [the house of] Chlo′e, that dissensions exist among YOU." I take a pause just long enough for him to think I'm done reading, but then continue emphatically. "What I mean is this" (Pause) ""that each one of YOU says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·pol′los,” “But I to Ce′phas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 The Christ exists divided. Paul was not impaled for YOU, was he? Or were YOU baptized in the name of Governing Body?(purposeful substitution.) That's what was causing the division in the first place! They were causing the division! Psalm 127:1 tells the truth of the matter. And if Gods spirit is truth, and you are in unity in an untruth, how are you not unified in darkness on that subject?
@@unassignedvlog5556 Exactly! The governing body also prove to be like Diotrephes who likes "first place" and throws anyone out of the congregation who disagrees with him.
@@Rupunzelsawake It shouldn't be this way and it will not continue to be when the true faithful and discreet slave is appointed. He will put things right. I promise. I know this because i will be that faithful (to Bible truth) and wise slave. Come and see my work before the E.U. "beast from the abyss" kills it with their Article 13 "copyright" law (Rev. 11:7). My "bitter-sweet" message is the "little scroll" of Revelation 10 and i am the "two" witnesses of Revelation 11. No man has ever refuted what i teach and they never will (Rev. 11:5). My channel is "Electric Earth." Read everything i posted there.
I had an elder offer me a special bible study to “regain my love for Jehovah.” I said, “I never lost my love for God. I just take issue with some of the people at the meetings.” I am inactive.
Sadly love for Jehovah, means for them love of the organization. For some reason the hierarchy can not see, or refuse to acknowledge, that THEY and their 'beyond the things written' rules ARE the obstacle!
@Gabriel Witchett Thank you for sharing...please feel free to associate with us whenever!
@Gabriel Witchett Any time, just don't expect too much...lol
@beautyinand out4ever I respond with all the prophets who ran from Gods abusive organization of their day...and Jehovah God COMFORTED THEM!
@beautyinand out4everThank you for sharing. Sadly they are at best dangerously close to fulfilling Matthew 24:48-51.
I got called into that backroom and I was like wtf? They said that I had a book and it was reported by someone. (I had actually taken it to a meal gathering after the meeting because I thought nothing of it.) I was like well I asked the post office why the book was sent to me? They said the mormons sent it to everyone, even my PO Box. When these goofball elders called me back there one of the first questions out of their mouths was "how do you feel about the governing body?" I simply asked back..."how do you all feel about the Australian Royal Commission's investigation into child sexual abuse and how the globering body is handling that?" They couldn't respond. I was like well I can't respond either LOL.
yea i was awakening :) It's harsh, hell or something like that. ua-cam.com/video/Ko8WoRehfNI/v-deo.html
WA HA HA HA HA...Oh Man, great. I love the questions that expose. Love ya...I hope you subscribe! We got lots of stuff like that coming!
GB NoMore Funny that the Matrix is actually Biblically based (from apocryphal view). As becoming a JW I always viewed the Matrix as similar to getting snapped out of the worlds dogma, interesting how you view it as the opposite. I was never asleep as a witness, knew most the pitfalls coming in. Just never knew they required you to believe what they couldn't prove, thats never the way the "truth" was presented to me, nor is it the way I ever took it. I even publically took a stand against some teachings, I guess this time we picked the wrong subject...dont mess with the great Oz! Were you raised as a witness?
@@unassignedvlog5556 Thanks, you all are awesome. And oops, did i say globering body? I meant Blubbering Body.
@@gbnomore3918 Awesome!
You can ask questions until you get baptized after baptism your job is obedience compliance and submission by no means do you ask questions
That should be a legal issue when they don't tell you that up front, and then yank your family/friends from you!
dutchman logger And if you ask too many questions as a bible study, they’ll dump for not having the right heart condition.
Actually, I was a student for 6 years and I studied with one sister 2 to 3 times a week for 3 years. I had a very closes friendship with this sister. One day over a text I asked her if we could just read the bible and not the publication and I started asking questions about Jesus and the organization. In that same text, she said she could no longer help me and if I ever come back she will be there with open arms but until then goodbye. That was over 4 months ago, she never contacted me again until last week just to drop off a memorial pamphlet. Its getting serious out there lol, even unbaptized people are being shunned!
@@jessicawolf3605We would love to study with you Jessica! Really, contact us and let us know where you would like to begin!
@@unassignedvlog5556 thank you for the offer 😊 when that happened I just started digging deeper into the organization. I found a lot I mean a lot of Evidence starting from the beginning, about how this is all man made / man ruled. All you have to do is look from the beginning with Charles Taze Russell. I'm trying to get family members to look deeper for themselves. I dont know if you guys ever watch Eric but he was an elder for over 40 years and he finally asked enough questions about Jesus that got him digging into the scriptures. You should check him out he takes the cherry picked scriptures from the organization and put it in full context. It's crazy how it was right on front of us the whole time. Here is one of his videos ua-cam.com/video/1DKRMwjz63M/v-deo.html its mind blowing how many people are in this same situation but everyone's to afraid to look or ask cause the governing body told us.....that's the Devil! I would say that too if I didn't want people digging up my past and present dirt. Hope this help you guys.
Jesus Christ welcomed questions. Watchtower does not.
They asked the questions for you and give u the answers. Not a real discussion at all.
Welcomed questions? Not really. Where is the evidence of his existence? Why are there so many contradictions in the gospels? Why are parts of the gospels copied from the others, where they not eye witness accounts? And there are more where that came from.
Nothing like asking them questions that they CANNOT answer and there are plenty of them.
@Ibmiti Bmiti About Pilate and Jesus, quotation please. For as far as I know there is none.
Think! If Jesus really did all the things mentioned in the bible would there be no other mentions in secular sources?
The earliest are mentions about Christians by Flavius Josephus and that is disputed as an interpolation. It could be that there was a man named Jesus (a very popular name back then) but I doubt he did anything like described.
WT is mother of 144,000 christ present in the flesh; the 144,000 will get the global British 1914 license just as Jesus left mother Mary disowned her and himself became the kingdom. So too the 144,000 lose their status as individuals if they leave as individuals, but together as one they will leave mother Mary /mother WT and will be the christ, here in flesh, born, preached, rejected, but saves in a single day of death and 40 days of being flesh again saying behold there is a resurrection so flee Armageddon these 40 days. The asteroid impact date is TRUE and the United Nations command to stay home is absolute death because continent Flood baptism is real. Calculate the depth of the ocean and you'll see that magma meltdown under crust slow magma tsunami does exist upon asteroid impact to put the water canopy back up. The whole world that gets tribulation is the whole surviving world not the wicked walking dead. Thus all survivors will say we went thru hell with each other our own people. The demons will be purged out of the very survivors. ooohhhh got that right, honesty is trouble keep silent. BUT that's not using your sword. ua-cam.com/video/FFEdleJJft4/v-deo.html
I have a relative thats a JW.
I told her this...
That every time you knock on doors, you expect that person to be kind and open minded to your message right?..
She answered, uhh yeh.
Then I said, "Yet you go back and become a non independent thinker when your at the Hall or when it suits you to block what another has an opinion on. Its HYPOCRISY!!! But Jesus is going to reveal the real TRUTH.
Yes we agree, open minded to hear...if we are willing to listen then share scriptures on a viewpoint, ask a question, then its the scriptures that lead someone to Christ.
@Richi RIch As to generation...1 Tim 1:4; Titus 3:9
Southern Belle : round of applause!
I was disfellowshipped for asking questions too! I even questioned the behaviors of their own families! That pisses them off!
Yea...lol..."They aren't the ones on trial here." Well why not? What were the questions?
JT (critical thinker) said it best when he said you can ask questions but can't question the answers the ORG gives.
Hi guys, this is exactly what happened to me when I asked questions to the elders about the peadophilia in the org. They got rid of me within months because I spoke about it to one sister who went to talk to another sister about it. I refused to attend their judicial committee meeting as I considered I did nothing wrong and should not attend their stupid meeting. They will disfellowship someone they feel deserves it and the announcement will be the same as a peadophile or someone who has committed a serious wrongdoing. They will get rid of disturbing elements who are denunciating the dark deeds of the the organisation. it is amazing how the shunning takes almost instantly place even if one is not disfellowshipped. It is a clever way misused by the org to protect themselves and to stop others to learn the truth about them.
I started having questions when my family moved from South Florida to Georgia. I was raised as a J.W. Everyone that wasn't a J.W. was supposed to be horrible. I started working at a retirement home with these amazing old folks who were some of the kindest people I have, ever come across. I had a really hard time accepting that these people who have always helped others, are doomed because they didn't believe what my parents thought to be true. I'm amazed at the hypocrisy. I have so many questions but I'm terrified of asking them because I'm terrified of losing my family
Please my dear one, subscribe, and ask us those questions, we will give you no opinions but just scriptures for you to build your own faith.(Romans 14:23) Its sad that now fear is keeping people from asking and learning. (Matthew 23:13, 1John 4:18)
When I was publicly reproved the elders told my that Jehovah had turned a deaf ear to my prayers and blinded eye to my suffering it broke me When I asked about the royal commission the elder questioned me repeatedly if I fallow the governing body
No my friend, there is no "channel" but Christ. Their sin is heavy! (Matthew 23:4)
@@unassignedvlog5556 ; Kind of sounds like the Gestapo Coming up to you and saying, “heil Hitler” And if you don’t respond in kind then you’ll be in a world of hurt. You better have the right response to the Gestapo ie.(elders) of the governing body because they supposedly hold the self appointed saving power of life or death over you,. you can either go on living in their dictatorial utopia,or, be judged and cast out to the concentration camp of Gehenna forever.
(CAMP GEHENNA)🔥
You can ask questions, you just can't question the answer that you received.
And once your given their answer, you had best not ask it again or ask it in a different way. You had best let it drop. When given the answer to your question, don't ever say that their answer doesn't make sense. Just shut up and nod in agreement and everything will be ok.
When I was df'd the first thing I learned was that I can have Jehovah without the organization. It's called being a spiritually mature man and a way of life. I've been reinstated since but left because I started to see the GB getting in my way of exclusive devotion to Jah, that I had when I was df'd. The congregation worships the organization and 8 men and put them and their literature above God and the scriptures.
You're in the wilderness now. There is nothing in the wilderness but Jehovah and that's where he wants you. Think about Elijah and the 7000 in the wilderness. Think about Hosea 2, those who fled to the wilderness after rebuking "the mother", that God restored and said no longer will you call me master but you will call me husband (that's an intimate relationship with him for taking a stand). Think about the Israelites whom God requested to go to the wilderness to worship him. Think about Revelation.
You are now free to find so many answers in the bible and gain true understanding as you are taught by Jehovah himself.
Keep reading and digging in the bible. I've learned so much on my own that the holy Spirit has taught me. I have a personal relationship with God and especially Jesus now- that no man can interfere with.
Keep enduring faithfully. There are a lot of us out here.
The most wonderful thing I learned after coming awake. The scriptures and concept of Jesus' ransome being from the grace of God. No undeserved kindness, no five meetings and 10 hours of service a month. Never connected God's gift for all to me. I never felt good enough to qualify.
@@tariblevins955 Yes! I found that wonderful as well. Especially after reading the book of Galatians. Keep enduring my sister & staying in Christ's love.
@@ManoloVintage you are so correct. Our relationship with the Creator Yehovah never stopped😀
Just be careful not to jump into another damaging faith, some things many have fallen into
From the sounds of it we really never were never in this one...at least not the way they thought...lol
I had my JC last week. I was disfellowshipped for posting info through my neighbors letterbox on JW policy on shunning and paedophillia and for associating with disfellowshipped individuals.
I’ve appealed the DF as they didn’t follow their own procedures by having two witnesses.
Appeal away! Now start talking to every one you know asking them if they want to move to North Korea with you and how all the people that live there says its so wonderful. Be serious. when they look at you funny and try to dissuade you say, 'You mean the regime controls all information in the society and does not allow anyone speak against any of their policies because they say its from God, and if you say anything negative they cast you out of society?'
Unassiged Vlog funny you say that as I’ve always compare the JWs to North Korea.
The TWO WITNESS rule applies to someone being put to death for a committing a crime worthy of death.
@@jwrobin21Thank you for your thoughts, but that's not necessarily so. ( Matthew 18:15, 16)
Did you video your JC hearing? I appreciate your zeal.
Jehovah's Witnesses cost me my family.They disowned me when i was 18 and now I am 44. Loosing all i knew ruined my life for many Years. And then i Found the kingdom of heaven within me. I am no religion and i have a divine and powerful relationship with my creator. I am sure glad i escaped the Brainwashing garbage. To bad i lost my family.... Love you all!! Be the change you want to see in the world. :-)
The WATCH tower cult is coming down FAST
I asked ALL the questions you shouldn't ask! Simply I was kicked out!!!😁
ohh...do tell.
Louis Cassar PTL!
I've never been and will never be a JW, but I was part of a Christian cult thinking it was just another church. And we were told that we are the chosen ones who will usher the Second coming of Christ and if we stopped meditations, which was the only form of prayer allowed, or if we left we would die. I was isolated from family and friends, suffered mental and emotional abuse, LITERALLY went crazy to the point where I was seeing things and finally had the courage to leave The most difficult part is starting over when that particular organization is all you have. Although there are still wounds that are healing, I'm in a much better place now, ive gone bsck to school and finishing off my degree.I can't believe I genuinely believed all the nonsense we were told (although deep down I knew it was rubbish) but I realized that brainwashing is real and cults are extremely dangerous
Thank you for sharing!
Have you guys read "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom" by former governing body member Ray Franz. They are an absolute must read
we have read many excerpts but not cover to cover.
I would highly recommend reading them in their entirety, as it helps clear up so much of the confusion. I have them both on PDF file. Let me know anytime, if you would like me to email them
@@fitcwebb Thank you, Im not opposed, but I need to get my full scriptural bearing first, which I am doing now. I know I don't agree with Ray on everything that Ive seen from him, we are all eschewed by our experiences. So I need to be well grounded first, and these videos and subsequent conversations are helping. :-)
Sounds good....and thank you for sharing your experiences and insight. It's always uplifting to find like minded ones, who have not turned their back on God
@@unassignedvlog5556 I find Ray to be humble. He was actually very kind to the org in his book considering the painful weight of doctrinal problems and misdeeds that he exposed. The revelations are startling. I don't see what he says as being, erm, 'spiritually challenging' but rather 'Watchtower challenging'. Anyway, that was my take.
Like the channel "Ex-JW critical thinker would say. "I would rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned". This organization doesn't want anyone who is a critical thinker. It disrupts their flow of b.s.
I like that quote.
Just found your channel & subscribed 👍 I was a 4th generation & left 25 years ago, after staying in for 40 years, never DF, but shunned never the less. Lost my entire extended family. I now attend a great nondenominational church..( who do not go beyond what is written), live a normal happy life along with my kids & grandkids. Leaving was the best thing I ever did!! Live your best life & your own truth 👍
Thank you for sharing!
I had elders here in central Wisconsin pull similar action year ago after I went and partook at the memorial for the first time in 25 years a JW. Afterwards I talked to several about WHY we should ALL partake, the child abuse cover-ups, perpetual severe shunning and denying medical blood transfusions - all "going beyond the things written". That was March 31, 2018. Two weeks later they're knocking at my door while I was away from home, so they called me and we begin a 40-minute phone conversation with one of these elders stating "we hear you've been spreadin' stuff around".😂🤣😂🤣😜😉😲
We are from that area, so did they DF you?
My error...I miss read...Washington...
@@unassignedvlog5556 Nope - at least not that I know of. In fact, this past February when we got clobbered with brutal cold and snow one of the elders texted me to say "the meeting was cancelled in case I thought about going"😲I'm basically brandished as an "inactive" since I just faded stopping "field service" by the end of 2017 and the meetings last year. Got shunned yesterday at the convenience store as I courteously opened the door for two JW sisters walking in as they Shunned right by me. I haven't been to any meeting since November 2018 in the Chicago suburbs area after my 46-year old JW ex-wife was found dead in her apartment by her "Disassociated" mother on October 22, 2018. The C.O. was visiting and I taped parts of it and sent it to Mike & Kim who may be playing it on a video in their channel soon.
My road to being disfellowshipped began with me writing to the governing body with some questions that had arisen following the change in teaching about the identity of the FDS and when they will be appointed over all the belongings. I think my reply to that letter came via the elders in my congregation. My fate was sealed after that but by the time they called me into a JC meeting, I wanted nothing to do with the organisation. I think if they hadn't disfellowshipped me I would've disassociated.
almost the same with us... can we get your contact info?
@@unassignedvlog5556 Sure! My email is rupunzelsawake@gmail.com. my UA-cam channel is Rupunzelsawake. And I'm on fb.
In the end the bottom line is avoid talking to the elders. Threaten legal action if they come around. It’s impossible to have a reasonable conversation with a couple of elders. They have one thing on there minds and that is to get evidence to DF you. The bottom line is Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the truth. It’s s hard pill to swallow but that’s the bottom line.
Factually they have many truths, but its a very dark underbelly. Sadly elders will do exactly what you mentioned.
Good advice.Spot on. I learnt that from experience. I missed the date, avoided calls but they showed up at home while i was sleeping. If u are not financially stable and still dependent on family, just suck up to them while u work on ur escape plan. Buy yourself time.
Elders are really ''company men'' who act as human resource agents for the Watchtower organization. Human resource agents act only in the best interests of the company. Elders search out any who are not loyal to the company, and those who are not actively supporting the policies and mission as well as individuals who are not reaching established goals within the corporation. Elders(human resource agents of the Watchtower) are assigned to eliminate or lessen the effects of ''whistle blowers'' by labeling them ''Apostates".
I was shunned for asking the exact same questions, too.
Not df’d yet...
I reallly relate to your videos.
Stay strong!
(I recorded audio of the elders trying to Debate me on my channel)
email us bro....asap...unassignedvlog@gmail.com
I was an elder and I asked some questions about the child abuse issues in the org. I was told to stop thinking like a man and start thinking like an elder by the CO. As you can imagine I had issues with this response. My question was... when I know we have a threat in the cong how can I as an elder keep the information away from those with kids? I decided to tell those with families about the threat. I resigned the day after and have never been back again. When you hear your story and that of others you see what a ruthless unloving organisation it is.
I honestly believe we are all better off free of this high control group. It took me 40 years to see it for what it is.
WT has become corrupted, become Idolutrous...
The concept that held about one hundred members of The Branch Davidians captive was their belief that David Korean was God's chosen individual.The concept that holds Jehovah's Witnesses captive is their belief that the Watchtower Society is God's organization.The captives of concept or mental image their have of the GB or the organization seems almost to take an a personality of its own,so that the concept itself controls the JW.
Funny thing is that, while you are correct in a few sycophants that suck up to hierarchy, a great many I know are drug along with the threat of DFing...am I saying they don't believe main tenants, no, Im saying they are buying everything they say,
At Matthew 24: 45 Jesus asked, "Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his Lord has set over his household, to give them their food in due season?"
Also, Jesus talks of an "evil slave" or servant in vs. 48, "But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, "My lord terrieth; and shall begin to beat his fellow-servants, and shall eat and drink with the drunken; the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be the weeping and gnashing of teeth". ASV
Jesus posed the question, "Who then is the faithful and wise servant..?" So, it would be a question that remained to be answered, when? What is being discussed in Matthew 24? Jesus disciples had asked him regarding the sign of his presence and the conclusion of the system of things. It is upon the masters ARRIVAL that he rewards the faithful slave and / or judges the evil slave. Note: The evil slave "beats" his fellow slaves, treats them harshly. He also eats and drinks with the confirmed drunkards. This isn't necessarily literal drunkenness; Babylon The Great, the world empire of false religion, is said to be drunk, and also to commit fornication with the earth's kings. So the evil slave joins in with the known drunkards and does as they do. In becoming a NGO member of the United Nations for 10 years, did not the Watchtower "eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards"?
Also, consider
2 Thessalonians 2, where again the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ is under discussion. "However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.
Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god."
So, this apostasy spoken of here comes when? Prior to the "presence" or parousia, the second "coming" of Christ Jesus. And, this "man of lawlessness" actually sits down in the "temple" of "The God". Who is "The God"? Jehovah, is The God, the true God. And the "temple", what is God's temple? It is made up of true followers of Christ, and of which Christ is the chief cornerstone.
1 Corinthians 3: 16.
Also, note again the warning respecting the the presence of Christ. Do not be shaken from your reason, don't be seduced by even what seems to be a message from the apostles or an inspired expression that the day of Jehovah is here. So, Christians are warned to watch out then, for false proclamations of the day of Jehovah or "that the day of the Lord is just at hand". ASV. This is because an apostasy will occur first, and a "man of lawlessness" will exalt himself above everyone and sit within the house of God, acting as a god.
Watchtower applies this to Christenendom, but is Christenendom God's house? And how would Christ's followers be deceived by a "message as though from us" or an "inspired expression" expounded from Christenendom? The Watchtower has been declaring Christ's presence since 1914; Russell at one time believed it was 1799. But what do the scriptures say? " Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Matthew 24: 36. Are they above Jesus himself, who stated that even he didn't know the day or the hour?
You should do an interview with John cedars ...........he is just as articulate as you :). Reasonable not going to carts and shouting at witnesses:)
I have no control over that. ;-)
The spot on imitation you do at 8 min. 19 sec mark of how slow and hypnotic the "brothers" speak and emulate, betrays their lack of authenticity. "To speak slowly and deliberately the message of truth to the brothers worldwide"
LoL... SO TRUE...subscribe... gonna have some funny stuff coming. (got some serious stuff to do first though.)
I love and enjoy watching your videos.
Thank you
Hello! I'm so happy I just found your videos. God bless you both. I'm in Wisconsin
*@ **5:41** These elders do not have a sincere compassionate spirit like Christ. They have an evil spirit that doesn't want you to be questioning anything. These same spirits were in that room with you that day. These spirits force them to supersede the bible and instead defer to the teachings of men. Did Job not question God? Did Lot not question God? Did Jonah not question God? Even the apostle Paul asked the Bereans to check his writings against scripture to make sure he was telling the truth! And yet these men had their names and actions written down for our instruction! The Jehovah's Witness leaders, not the members, the leaders, are charlatans and con men. And they'll have to face Christ when the time comes. God bless.*
Sing it Brother/Sister!!!
Now you have information that is dangerous to the organisation about how not to question the authority. This is why apostates are so dangerous to the organisation.
I was born and raised in the cult. From a very young age there were many things that did not make sense to me and even the explanation given to me from my parents didnt make sense. I went along with it...for years. I finally got to the point where I needed to prove it to myself, is it the truth or not. I decided I would study the very book that brought my parents into the cult, The Truth Book. I would write down any questions I had from each chapter and do further research on these items. Generation was my first huge hurdle. I could not understand why Jehovah would allow this incorrect teaching to go on for decades. Why would he allow his followers to be deceived, many would come into the cult based on this teaching, why would he allow that? I could not find any scripture in the bible that would support the "overlapping" teaching. The generation teaching then led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 607. With just a little research that too will fall apart. From there it was like a house of cards. It actually became too easy to pick apart nearly every one of the cults teachings. It does not stand up to even the slightest of scrutiny.
Keep up the good work. From England
I studied for about 2 years with the jw's around 12 years ago and when my study went deeper I got to a lot of questions as well. I noticed it was not appreciated. I even got snarked about some of the things I asked, even though I think the answers to those questions were crucial. I never got babtized and left. I could not find proof of many of the organizational things they teach and I am not someone to believe things or follow people just because they say so.
Thank you for sharing...here is a cut and paste comment we have, that relates a bit of our story...We were not born into witnesses, so we don't ascribe to the wake up movement, as we were never asleep! Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after baptism we used several translations, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on the Bible in the ministry, and could prove everything we believed from the Bible without literature. We refrained from teaching dogmatically, just read the scripture and asked a question and let the householder draw their own conclusions. We never wanted someone to say, "but you told me", and they cant because we let them draw their own conclusions. We stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...We just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz! So we were never "indoctrinated", as they say. The mind boggling part is the switcheroo they pulled in who our dedication was to.
You weren't D'Fed for "asking questions" per se, but rather, for not ACCEPTING their answers.Any JW can ask any question they want to, but they can't QUESTION the ANSWER.
Absolutely, we didn't even get to ask our questions...it was on FDS...the 2013 article that raised our questions, is the same article they gave us to answer our questions...'Dont believe us, ask us, we'll tell ya again!' Then the second non addressing issue of dogma came out, we got that too, so that was our two official admonitions...yer out!
It's not just biblical questions that'll get you df'd, it's any questioning at all. Also, the culture is one of snitching, where you can't even trust your spouse. Many is the time where one spouse confesses that they no longer believe and discover that the other feels the same way too!
I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than to have answers that cannot be questioned. The latter is "life" in the tyrannical Watchtower. Absolute and unquestioning LOYALTY to the Watchtower is the FIRST and FOREMOST requirement and LAW that one dare not disobey...or else...
Great video and I completely agree.
Thank you
Praying for you my friend. I hope you feel better soon. I hope all goes well for you. I wish you the very best. God bless you my friend. God loves you.
Your wife said alot of them don't believe the faithful slave are the GB. My pomi sister told me that her and her grown pimi children don't believe that part either. I have to say your wife is saying what I heard even though I am not a jw and haven't been for years.
You can ask questions and elders will be (pretend) happy to help get you the answers (sometimes) but you cannot question their answers... If you do you will be kicked out..
Be strong. You are a beautyful family. Jehovah be with You
What has happened to you is the spell has been broken, It's like the old Claritin commercial where they peel back a hazy film and all the bright colors and light is revealed. Just keep reading your bibles and praying. When I woke up after 35 years I was in shock for some time. I couldn't believe I had been so bamboozled by the Watchtower organization. So much they lied about, I had to re-examine every doctrine they ever taught me, but I found out that the Bible is not that hard to understand. Do start comparing Bible translation, there are some great tools online like biblegateway and Blueletterbible. Look at the Greek and Hebrew meanings of words, it's great fun. A few key people on UA-cam that really helped me and my husband are Berean Pickets he was an Elder for 40 years and started asking questions. He has a series of 12 videos that are well researched. And David and Vivian Aspinall on UA-cam are an older couple who are very analytical. Have you read Crisis of Conscious? It is a must! By Ray Franz--he is my hero. Don't be afraid to go visit some churches, lightning will not stick you, nothing bad will happen--thats just the fear and phobias that the watchtower planted in your mind. Hey, have you read Steven Hassan's books on mind control--they are a must read. Read John 6:53 in many different translations. Read 1 Timothy 1:6 (I like the Young's literal translation.) John 6:29, Roman's chapter 8, John14 and 15. I will be praying for you guys.
Hello, Thank you for the encouragement. We dont actually ascribe to the wake up movement. We were never asleep! Certainly not afraid of churches, had a study that was a pastor in a local church, who said "If I kick you out of my office it proves I'm weak in my faith." lol. He got transferred after a talk he gave after one of our discussions...lol. So no reason for me to turn to them. I can prove what I believe from scriptures alone. Rarely used literature in the ministry and publicly denounced having a WT paper route. I studied for 5 years before coming in, I'm very analytical, read everything apostate I could get, several translations, diglot/interlinear, no literature, until the last year knowledge book, and started reading WT...pointed out something wrong once and the elder going to CO work said..."Chad, that's just information to consider while making a conscientious decision." I ate them up after that, very helpful, I accepting what I found to be true in the scriptures and rejecting or back burnering the rest. Even after Baptism, publically saying I came into the truth trying to prove witnesses wrong and I still am. Sometimes I would get the question, "Hows that working for you?" I always said, "I win some, lose some." I never thought I needed to believe everything in print, several times publicly disagreeing and using scripture. An elders wife said, "You guys just dont fit the JW mold." I laughed, "I dont want to fit the JW mold, just Jehovahs mold." We like Berean Pickets. However we have only one hero, Jesus. ;-) I'm not sure your point with those scriptures. We never felt bamboozled, the shocking thing to us is how they have treated us now, for doing what we always have done. I guess this time we just went for the wrong subject...dont mess with the great Oz!
This is the first of your videos I've watched. I don't know if you are aware there are many other JWs who got d'fed for asking questions. They've shared their stories on youtube. I've not seen anyone who got their question(s) answered. All get the response that the org is Jehovah, etc, etc. Heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. How to increase emotional and mental agony in people, isolate them, and drive them to suicide...well done, Watchtower.
Yes I am aware of others who have been DFed for questions...but the difference I am bringing out here is for a NEW understanding.
Going over the questions is a confirmation of sorts, an oral contract at baptism...you agree to, as they say, "the best career", nowhere in those questions do they say you need to accept whatever concoction they come up with that contrasts to what you agreed to. So they breech the contract of confirmation, then fire you, wile holding your family/friends for ransom? Breech of contract is illegal.
I love them! Jws like many just clamp up when faced with the truth that they are not told like we only die once! Heb 9.7 !
I hope one day you find joy comparing Psalms & Proverbs to their original Instruction of Amenemope. Very good wisdom
Always did...taking them for their practical value is something witnesses in general miss. Since being so austere, everything practical is placed under the nomenclature of "spiritual" {meaning serving the organization). So its practical value in life can easily be lost.
SUBBED. So glad to have found your channel.
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Personally, I D/A myself. I was sexually abused since I was a baby. I was told when I found the courage to tell, that it was my word against his/ I was less than 10 years old. I needed 2 witnesses. My older brother was D/F because 1 person said that saw him 1 time smoking 1 cigarette. Didn"t need a second witness for 1 cigarette. I had to shun him for 5 years. I was a minor. I was kicked out on the street and I didn't sin. The day before I turned 18,with not even one cent in my pocket.
I was born in Third generation/ the abuser is a "good JW".
Well, that was loving. (Matthew 23:23, 24)
@@unassignedvlog5556 , Nice verses. Thank you. I am not a believer anymore; but Kim and Mikey and their videos...Well, I still agnostic, but, I am not afraid to have a bible in my home anymore. I went in my bibles and those are nice scriptures !
@@unassignedvlog5556 , the way they understood you was really as nice too !
It is their brand name ! I am happy that you got out of it ! Enjoy your life my friends !
@@natashapeeters988 I understand. We find the bible a very practical book in life(something JWs have lost as they try to apply every single thing spiritually. And we find it an excellent sword against Them!
Brother check out the "Ex JW Critical Thinkers" channel if you haven't already. I heard it said there, "You can ask questions, but ONCE you have BEEN GIVEN AN ANSWER, you had better not continue to question the answer given"....
Yes I have seen them... and you got that exactly right. 2013 FDS article comes out (made no sense and raised questions) That's the first article they gave us to answer our questions. (questions we never asked) ummm…. 'If you dont believe us, ask us, we will tell you again.' They gave us a second article that explained nothing. That's yer 2nd admonition....yer OUT. (Titus 3:10)
Thanks for sharing and being encouraging.
We are trying anyway ;-)
Thank you for your videos. So many of us are in the same boat trying to get some stability. Hugs!
Your welcome, and thank you.
Caren . Jesus said Believe in God. Believe also in me. search the scriptures. I did until I found out who Jesus was.
@@lorrainejakins6509Thank you for your thoughts. However, We were not born into witnesses, so we don't ascribe to the wake up movement, as we were never asleep! Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after baptism we used several translations, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on the Bible in the ministry, and could prove everything we believed from the Bible without literature. We refrained from teaching dogmatically, just read the scripture and asked a question and let the householder draw their own conclusions. We never wanted someone to say, "but you told me", and they cant because we let them draw their own conclusions. We stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...We just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz! So we were never "indoctrinated", as they say. The mind boggling part is the switcheroo they pulled in who our dedication was to.
I was disfellowshiped for asking a question about 1thessalonians 4:16 in there Greek Interlinia, the word for word, which is on there website. Which says the dead and the living all go to heaven at the same time , not has each one dies from 1919 onward. Would you give me your thoughts on this
Thanks Paul
I guess I don't know what your question to them was. But looking at the interlinear as you requested, it says just that the 'dead in Christ would stand up first'. Then in vs 17 it says thereupon (rendered in various translations "afterward" "then" "next"), the living during that same time period (but evidently after those already dead), would be caught away, apparently joining them and Christ. I must toss in the disclaimer here (as I did publicly disagreeing in the WT discussion, when the WT seemingly went on a short rapture path W15 7/15 p.18-19 par 15) Those ones must die first. (Matthew 12:24; 1Corinthians 15:36) I am not defending any date circled on a calendar, that's a fools game. (Acts 1:7) Perhaps that is why they are so desperate to grasp for a generation extension, which again I have no use for debating such. (1 Timothy 1:4; Titus 3:9) That seems more about a debate of authority which I also have no use in debating. (Romans 13:7; Matthew 23:2) I am just to imitate Christ. (Luke 17:10; Matthew 20:25-28) So that's my thoughts, if I am understanding you correctly.
Hi thanks for responding I was disfellowshipped for asking the question why in the Greek, it says that the dead stand up first (not go to heaven first) or come back to life then they go to heaven with the living the same time all together, where the witnesses teach that in 1919 as they died they went separately upon death. you mentioned the scripture in 1st Corinthians 15 later in that chapter in 51 52 and 53 it mentions that it will happen in a moment in the blinking of an eye when the last trumpet is blown for when the trumpet sounds those who have died, will be raised to live forever and we are living will also be transformed, the scripture says that it will all happen in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet so they have a false teaching. expecting it in 1914 then they expected the dead to be raised up and they stood on Brooklyn bridge waiting to go to heaven with them. it didn't come true so they stretched it much like the generation and the generation lap over like yourself I question things also looking to the scriptures. and I'm glad to know that there's others that are strong enough to do that as well. so keep strong brother and thank you for showing interest and giving a little time
I discovered many interesting Bible truths over the years since I've been disfellowshipped for me it is being the best thing because now I can think for myself thanks again
Thank you, I did want to add one other scripture as to the "in the blink of an eye"... I wont be dogmatic but Enoch being transfered could fulfill both scriptural points. (Hebrews 11:5) But so could a firing squad...lol
Before 1914 they believed the gathering was an instant event. When Russell was wrong he had to revise it to save face. He was a malignant narcissistic who couldn’t bear criticism, and never EVER admitted to being wrong. They also believed Christ’s presence was going to be visible, but when he rudely didn’t arrive on time, they changed it to invisible, so he could continue asserting he was right. I think it’s in Harvest Siftings.
Always ask questions!
1. How does the Bible designate which verses are to be taken literally and which are to be taken figuratively?
Context tells quite a bit. Revelation 1:1, 1 Corinthians 7:25
Great video and sorry to hear about the stress the WT has given you. Hang on to the truth! Sounds like you are leaning on the word of God and not the word of the WT. My suggestion is to find a good bible believing church w/ a proper translation. A good church is one that claims grace through faith alone in Christ alone. No works - you do nothing -- only faith in the redeeming works of the God Man Jesus Christ.
In Revelation there is a call "Get out of her my people" and the purpose of it is to get Christians to exit Babylon the Great so that they do not share in her downfall and destruction. Give it some thought. JWs are falling apart and getting out is the best way to avoid the self destructive downfall that they are creating.
There is no difference between the GB saying to just believe them when they say they're the FDS and Joseph Smith saying to just believe that he found the gold tablets.
Thank you for your thoughts.
@@unassignedvlog5556 anytime
My first studies of the practice of "shunning" were found among the Amish. Shunning served as a social practice, meant to bring reflection and repentence, by shutting out the "guilty" from interaction in the community that they not buy or sell in the community.
JWs cannot be faulted for their dedication or their faith. Dogma however, is a blindfold.
I have no problem with the shunning practice if one accepts the tenants, that is until you change the rules once in. If you read the "What Does the Bible Really teach?" book you will see questions are encouraged, so you ask question get satisfactory answers and become baptized...then they make a MAJOR change that is opposite to what you were "confirmed" in., so you question. (1 John 4:1) They disfellowship you...is that righteous in your eyes?
I don't think shunning does anything to further one's walk, nor does it fit with the Kingdom's corporate logic of inclusion and helping others in their walk. It serves to eradicate "other options".
The whole of learning requires we ask questions...and that we are encouraged to ask questions. Everyone benefits, because everyone is learning at different rates and can share knowledge to propel others upwards.
Please don't misunderstand; it is better to embrace where we are at and assess the challenges than fighting about where we are going and discouraging excitement for the trip.
@@mladyskirk5524 I understand what you are saying...my statement was simply meant to say that I would have zero problem being DFed for something I agreed not to do, like cheating on my wife or shoplifting. But for wanting to ask questions.... this is ridiculous!
I wholeheartedly agree.
Certain "GB" Doctrines I felt was not Scriptural.... I Disassociate at 22 n took a "Neutral Stand" fortunately I was not SHUN...Mom,Sister n Brother is still in.... today at 62 the GB (8 Mental Midgets) mindset is even worse with so much "NEW LIGHT" changes by cherry picking scriptures to Justify their Thinking.... it saddens me to see my family holding on to the GB promise of Everlasting Life on Paradise Earth n the Resurrection... Brainwashing at it's Finest.... 😱😳🤯
yep yep yep yep, that's kinda why I keep my mouth shut however it's getting harder to-do, I did read once that a bird kept in a cage didn't know he wasn't free until someone opened the door. I think it went something like that, but I've come to realize that if someone loves you as family then you do ask questions that's just part of life, and if they love you unconditionally they accept you that way too. I truly believe that when all is said and done with and that paradise is here Jesus and Father won't kick you to the curb for asking a question, they in fact will love you even more for doing so........
Yes there are several instances of individuals asking questions in the scriptures(Genesis 18:22-33; Acts 17:11; 1John 4:1) However love always has conditions, else why all the divorces? It seems its a matter of who sets those conditions...the Bible or man?
In my opinion, being DF’d from an ungodly “organization”, is a non-event. For example, it’s analogous to being kicked out of a club when you’re 5 years old. Who cares, it amounts to absolutely nothing. In my case, I faded and never looked back. Whether or not they DF’d me, I have no idea, nor could I care less. The result is being shunned by a sibling, but that’s her problem and she’ll have to live with it. And when you break it down to the factual reality, people who shun family or former friends, are really saying: “I can’t talk with you because a New York Real Estate/Publishing Corporation told me not to”. Wow, I feel sorry for the mentally challenged!
Thank you for sharing, this is really interesting.
Your welcome, and thank you.
I’m so sorry this happened. I’ve been struggling with the GB being on this “Golden” pedestal. I remind myself that Jehovah KNOWS our hearts & to keep living as he instructs us too. Otherwise I go bonkers.
When you get your questions answered, will you pass along that information? Bc I’m not buying that the GB is the Faithful & Discrete Slave, has Jehovah’s spirit ONLY & the 144,000 are something else entirely. I mean WTHeck?! I’m so lost ~ 💜
If you would like to contact us through unassignedvlog@gmail.com we can share more.
Sadly Jill, there will never be an answer to his question for him to be able to pass on to you. If anyone ever dares to question the authority of the GB, or ask any questions when something doesn't make sense, that person is quickly called an apostate and unless and until they repent and blindly, unquestionably, agree that the GB is the FDS and what the GB says is 100% true, even when it makes zero sense, that person will remain a DF'd apostate, and shunned by all.
The next time you are feeling lost, pat yourself on the back and celebrate! It means that your critical thinking brain is kicking in, and you are starting to see the holes in the WT story. For an organization to call itself "The Truth", shouldn't that truth hold up to scrutiny? Shouldn't it welcome questions? Shouldn't it jump at the chance to share it's story, and be able to tell the world why and how they have come to be chosen by God? If they truly want to "Share the Good News of the Kingdom" with the people of the world, then why are they DFing their members who ask simple questions? The answer is simple - The truth about The Truth is that it isn't the truth at all. When Governing Body member Brother Franz wrote his book entitled "Crisis of Conscience", it was because he began to realize that very same fact. He had devoted his life to God and to the organization, rose in the ranks to become a member of the ultimate group of men known as the Governing Body, only to realize that it was all a sham, a lie, a farce, and the only ones who were being worshipped were the men in the GB - and Jehovah was nowhere to be found, especially in the halls of Bethel.
I truly wish that I could tell you that there are reasonable and understandable answers to his - and to your questions, but there aren't any. The GB are the F&DS because they say they are. Period! Which, if you were to put that concept into any other subject matter, it would be laughable. It's like saying that the Ford Explorer is the best SUV ever made, because the company who makes it says it is the best, period! It's just an absurd concept, and is quite a revealing insight into just how arrogant the GB members have become. And the fact that you feel lost is because that is exactly what the GB wants you to be! Why do you think that they push their whole "advanced education is dangerous" agenda? Why do they keep you busy in service, demanding publishers meet minimum time requirements and turn in time sheets? Why do they stress the importance of attending all meetings and Bible studies? Why do they control who you are friends with, who your children speak to, what you do in your "free time", and tell you never to watch UA-cam videos, read apostate literature, or speak to ex JW's? The answer is really quite simple: Fear. They fear that you will learn the REAL truth about the truth - especially if you are speaking to non JW's, worldly people, educated people, etc. They keep you busy so that you don't have any real free time to sit and think, reflect, analyze, and allow your critical thinking brain to click in. They want uneducated members, so they push the idea that school is dangerous. They don;t want you to hear what ex members have learned about the org, so they fill your head with stories of how apostates are evil liars, or tell you that the devil is at work and is trying to lead you astray. Meanwhile, you are like a hamster on a hamster wheel, constantly running and trying to do what is expected of you in order to remain loyal to Jehovah - while at the same time making you feel as though you aren't doing enough, you aren't faithful enough, you are spiritually weak, etc. You live in a constant state of fear, and the daily indoctrination keeps you staying on that hamster wheel - but, the hamster never really gets anywhere, does he?
I am more than happy to share any information with you, should you want to learn more. I am completely open to sharing proof and documentation to back up every statement I make about what is really going on in the org., and have no ulterior motives other than to help people, particularly women, in their journey of seeking the truth. You can use the message system here on UA-cam, or contact me directly at klwd22@gmail.com - and remember - feeling lost is a good thing, because it means your brain is working!!! When things don't make sense, don't ignore them! Seek and ye shall find; right? So, shouldn't seeking include asking questions? According to the GB, no. Which tells you that there is something being hidden.
@@EasternStar22 Thank you for your thoughts. We agree with some of what you have written, and respectfully disagree with some of it, but you have written too much for us to go over point by point here, so lets just discuss one of each, in one answer.
The questions we have to ask are questions that reveal, as did the questions Jesus asked his religious leaders. Anyone can spout dogma, make up anything and state it as true. Questions are the revealers of secrets to the listeners, the answers given to our questions are very simple and indisputable, but reveal truth, so we disagree foremost on that point. But the fact that those questions do not matter is the other side of the coin, where we agree. As one elder (at first well meaning) asked, "Well, what are your questions". (This is already after punishments that they refused to admit was discipline, started rolling for letting them know we had questions on the GB being the FDS.) I, afraid of giving them any more info, said, "No, because no matter if I could prove it DEAD TO RIGHTS WITHOUT A DOUBT, you would never accept it because you would be sitting right next to us with your head on the chopping block"...he had to agree.
We cant talk about the details now, we will make a video about one reason why.
@@unassignedvlog5556 I'm struggling to understand what it is that you disagree with, based on your reply. I realize my post to Jill was lengthy, but when I start discussing this subject, which I'm extremely passionate about, I can't stop! So, my apologies for being long winded. I've decided to do a list of the points I was attempting to make, in the hopes that you can reflect and perhaps discuss in a later video. I completely appreciate and respect your point of view, and meant no disrespect toward you in my previous comment. Anyway, here's my list of 7 points....
Point 1. The GB has declared themselves the F&DS, however members are never allowed to question how they determined that they indeed are the F&DS, and disagreeing with it is now considered apostasy.
Point 2. In a recent study of various religions, the JW's ranked as having the highest percentage of depression/suicidal thoughts, which I believe was at 66%. If 66% of "the flock" are depressed and/or suicidal, it is a clear sign that something is majorly wrong! Yet - no-one ever talks about it.
3. The GB discourages advanced education for 3 reasons...#1.Time spent studying/learning/attending classes is going to affect the amount of time spent in "kingdom" related works.....which could then result in that person waking up. It has been proven that cult members stay in the cult because the daily indoctrination works so well on their brain that they don't have the time to think clearly using reason and common sense. Those who are no longer subjected to the daily indoctrination are more likely to wake up.#2. Going to a university exposes the JW student to "worldly people" and they realize that what they were taught about those worldly people isn't true, and they begin to wake up....and #3. Highly educated people are harder to control, and they use critical thinking - thus, they won't easily buy into the line of BS the WT is preaching.
4. The WT view of women is appalling, and the org is run by a misogynistic group of men. I compare JW women to a hamster on a hamster wheel, because they are constantly told they aren't doing enough, aren't good enough, aren't submissive enough, aren't spiritually strong enough, so they keep trying and trying and trying, but never seem to get there - just like the hamster on that wheel - the end result is the same.
5. By definition, truth is something that can be proven by fact and/or evidence. Therefore "The Truth" should hold up to scrutiny and should welcome any discussions or questions about it, as it provides an opportunity to share these truths with others. However, the WT views questions about "The Truth" as a sign of apostasy, and shuts down questions by means of fear and intimidation via threat of marking, shunning, or in a Judicial Hearing, usually resulting in DFing of those who have asked questions.
6. When an active JW admits to feeling lost, particularly when it comes to doctrine and doctrinal changes, it is a sign that they are beginning to realize that things don't make sense. The GB is SO arrogant that they think keeping the flock confused is a GOOD thing, because it supports their entire system, where the flock is told to follow and obey blindly, even when it doesn't make sense. But, I see it as the opposite. Feeling lost means the critical thinking brain has been activated, and the highly indoctrinated brain is showing signs of fading - which is an amazing thing to behold!
7. The entire reason that the WT pushes it's flock into attending every meeting and Bible study, and making field service a priority - to the point where jobs, finances and home life may suffer, and requiring the use of "time sheets" - all boils down to one thing...Indoctrination. The busier you are with Kingdom related activities, the less time you have to reflect, use reason, common sense and/or critical thinking. The GB will try to convince you that these things are necessary to make Jehovah happy, and to secure your future in a paradise earth, when in reality it has nothing to do with works being beneficial to any individual's life. It is simply done as a means to control and indoctrinate. Tony Morris gave a talk recently, in which he stated that those who weren't doing enough in service have "blood on their hands", and they will die at Armageddon. If that isn't a sign that this is a doomsday cult, I don't know what is! But, it is clear that they use fear to control the flock - which is something ALL cults do to it's members.
These 7 points are what I was trying to say in my previous post - so if you disagree with any of my points, I'd love to hear your opinion and point of view. I tried to keep it short and to the point - but sadly, I've failed - sorry! Thank you for taking the time to consider these points, and as I am a new subscriber to your channel, I look forward to viewing more of your videos in the future!
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Paul was the master of the run on sentence which, I have a tendency toward as well, so we decline your apology as we feel there is nothing to apologize for. :-) It was just difficult for us to separate so as to comment. But since you succinctly broke it down and asked, we will try to clarify.
1. Yup
2. Yup, but we disagree they talk about it all the time...we are the happiest people on earth, and if you don't believe them, ask them, they will tell you again how we are the happiest people on earth...if you don't believe them again, you have received your second admonition (Titus 3:10)...then refer back to point 1. (We cant have these sad people committing suicide while witnesses, we have to get them out fast so when they commit suicide we can say, ‘See what happens when you leave Jehovah's organization?!’
3. We don't believe higher education is all that its cracked up to be.(but for more sensible reasons than the GB says). Chad failed third grade, in high school failed Speech once, Biology once. English twice, Algebra 3 times, and graduated only because the Biology teacher said, :You have an F in my class and a B on the final, give me one reason to pass you.”, and Chad responded, “You’re the only Biology teacher.” Tiffany was home sckoold so its prretty eazy to pass whan you teached you self. But we own our home, own three other homes on out block, our shop, and other properties, and are debt free and pretty much do what we want day to day for work. Today we took the day off to preparing for memorial we are doing at home. To bring out the other path, one of our sisters is a lawyer, and her husband works at a nuclear facility. Very prestigious careers. They have a nice house and a good livelihood, but at the same time they have a mortgage and admit they will take their student loans with them to their grave. Such is the story for many these days. Our point is success can be achieved either way, and there are blessings and maledictions possible with each. But critical (truth) thinking, it seems to us, has more to do with having Gods spirit. (John 14:16, 17; 17:17; Acts 4:13)
4. That seems to apply to all the ‘sheep’ not just women. (Tiffany's words there. lol) The only ones elevated are those with position, and we have experienced this Jezebel of an overseer wielding power through her husband more than the average male publisher could ever dream of.
5. We have gone at this one in long length... Truth is what you said...Truth for them is the religion...”the truth”, “present truth”(whatever they say) They think THEY are "the truth"!
6. Found this while reading a book on Hitler, his tactic was to continually disseminate misinformation and conflicting information so as to keep subordinates continually skeptical of each other and keep them looking to him for direction, clarification. and instruction.
7. This one is a mixed bag of nuts, as it only stands to reason that if you are continually reminded of the scripture about how thievery and adultery are wrong you will be better equipped with the mind of Christ. However, when you mix in point 6, you are using that to solidify your own ends. But again the one who comes at any info with Acts 17:11 and 1John 4:1, is protected by Gods spirit of truth. We publicly stood against many untruths we felt were worth fighting for, this time we just picked the wrong subject matter...
Don't mess with the great Oz, or you get point 1.
As they say, opinions are like noses(or behinds)...we all have them, and they all smell. We all just try to keep following the Christ through the snow, when we miss we have snow in our shoes. As for us, we usually have to dump our shoes out at the end of every day. :-}
I've never heard an apostate accepted back to the organisation, WT never accepts people back who they feel have been apostate or spoke out about their bad experiences with WT org. Never. Talk to you guys in two years time. All the best.
Talk in two years? Huh? I do know of one who was "apostate"(what ever the heck that means. We're apostate because we had a question they couldn't answer, the definition is wider than the universe, it has become the dumping ground for all whom they want DFed)
I anonymously asked an elder about the mediator thing by phone. He refused to answer and said to stop contacting him bc he doesn't know me.
Anonymously...we should have been so wise. Can't even answer a simple question...
@@unassignedvlog5556 if you have a love for God & Jesus, you've been BLESSED. The WT claims that Jesus is only mediator for the 144k, and they do not outrightly indicate who our mediator is. However, they DO indicate that your salvation is dependent on association WITH and obedience TO the FDS... The FDS?!? Who does that make your mediator? Bc the antichrist is one who denies &/or takes the place of Jesus. Remaining in association with them would make you a sharer in their wicked works. I am sorry you went through what you did, but welcome to the other side!
@@heatherrants5881Thank you for your thoughts, you may want to see the following vid and subscribe if you haven't already... ua-cam.com/video/kStPJrfzFj0/v-deo.html
If the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one what makes them certain he hasn't infiltrated them,being an angel of light and they keep coming up with new light that makes no sense
The mind games are just one aspect of dealing with the doctrines of the org. Shunning is possibly worse. It was/is in my case. I found regular viewing of like minded and similar circumstances very helpful. In my view, your ressoning is sound. And you can never go back now you're "awake" to coin a phrase.
Thank you. We dont ascribe to the awake movement as we were never asleep, everything we believe we can prove from the scriptures. It seems most of the doctrines we have issue with have to do with them strong arming their authority. Mark 10:42,43.
Why do kids build sand castles on the seashore ?
because they don't have fore vision...Luke 6:47-49
It appears the intent is to make you too uncomfortable to ask questions they can't answer. By using psychological and social manipulation tactics they make you out to be the "perpetrator" simply by asking a question. It doesn't have to be a complicated question. Just giving the elders the idea you are questioning them at all will make you a victim of their mind games. I am of the opinion the number one reason so many people are leaving this cult is due to abuse by the elders. They're doing a fine job of making more and more apostates.
Tag...you nailed it!!! 8f the ly olgot over the lord it over thing the religion would double in size and they would be Ridin on waves of cash to the liquor store!
So happy we found your channel. You are right about Jeremiah approaching the very leaders that were "suppose to be" God's people. But by their actions they proved otherwise. God has nothing to do with any religion, including WT. The notion of true religion, false religion was invented by WT. There is no such thing in the Scriptures. The Bible enlightens people to a good way of life and never tells people to go look for a group or organisation. We RP's nearly 20 yrs each and have had many Bible studies. Woke up 2-3 years ago. It gets better and better the longer one is away from a cult. The Bible encourages this at Rev 18:4 "Sharing" in her sins (religion's sins) is not for genuine Christians who love Christ. Thank you so much for sharing. God bless
Thank you for your thoughts. We dont ascribe to placing them as the harlot described to Revelation 17:1-5. However, they are dangerously similar in fulfillment of Matthew 24 48-51.
@@unassignedvlog5556 None of it was ever true, from Russell till now. Look at how many court cases are fought by this harlot. And all the hidden child abuse. Give yourself time, you will increasingly become more and more disgusted with this spiritual harlot who misleads many. Ps. the FDS is a parable of how each of us as individuals conducts ourselves, that is, we should be loving our neighbor as ourselves, not beating our "fellow" slaves - our fellow humans. Have a little research into narcissism and scapegoats and flying monkeys and you may be surprised to find it fits perfectly in WT land. All the best.
@@matilda4406I looked up every thing apostate I could coming in, so I know about all that. So I'm not ignorant about it. However, this organization doesn't not match the literal blood spilled by the harlot of Revelation 17...and yes Matthew 24 a parable of truth that any who would claim to be a slave of Christ should heed. Beating fellow slaves gets one apportioned with the harlot...so while not being the harlot, being apportioned with her is just as bad.
@@unassignedvlog5556 All Religion is the harlot, and there is no true or false harlot.
@@matilda4406 I respectfully disagree, the harlot of Rev 17 causes bloodshed, some just don't fit that role.
When I was told only 144,000 are allowed into Heaven on the basis of Rev 14&7,I had DOUBTS. I Noticed the 144,000 we're 1.) Jews and 2.) They were virgins. I was told they were SYMBOLICALLY "Jews" and symbolic "virgins". So THAT Part is "Symbolic" but the NUMBER 144,000 was LITERAL? Yeah, RIGHT. . . . .
You know, I believe that it does not matter whether a person is disfellowshipped for a sinful reason or for simply asking a legitimate question, the treatment you go through is the same. It calls to mind that Scripture that says "and yet if we do sin, we have a helper in Jesus Christ the righteous one", but watchtower go beyond that and forcefully exercise judgement on you as to whether you are repentant enough or not. This is an incredible overstepping of God's forgiving ways, as only He knows our hearts, and only He discerns if our cry of repentence is truly from the heart. It is really inconceivable that they (the elders) have authority to put you sit in the furthest away corner at the back of the hall, stare at you as if you are an evil disgusting thing, and the people who know you so well look you in the face without any expression at all, all you are made to feel is, I will never allow any person treat me with such vindictiveness ever again. Furthermore, another Scripture comes to mind, " confess your sins openly with one another", the purpose of it being that in return you would be built up and encouraged by the love of your Christian family, recognising that "we are all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God each day". But sadly you get the exact opposite, you get hauled in by the sin detector crew, cross examined, and if they "think" you are not repentant enough you get disfellowshipped and shunned, all I can say is, what Scripture is that?
If watchtower doctrine is right, and if how they deal with wrong doing is right, then it would be only logical to conclude that there should be NOBODY inside the Kingdom Hall, except Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, (of course now I know they were never there to begin with), but they are getting there pretty rapidly, they by their own ungodly actions and lack of true Godly love are emptying the organisation by the thousands each day. Sending love to you both, I too suffered from anxiety and panic attacks for many years, it surely is most debilitating, and not being understood by those who should at least try to be understanding and supportive most definitely heightens it. But you have real freedom and peace with God now, and let me encourage you by assuring you that it will get lesser and lesser as time goes on, I know now and understand that every panic attack you get is releasing anxiety build up inside us over the years. Stay well Brother and Sister, 🌹🍀💚
Thank you for your thoughts. We do believe there is a major difference in whether you did something wrong or not. I'm not going to get into those scriptures and how they are implemented. Because the core is much simpler, at baptism we agreed to play by such rules...meaning if I commit adultery I agreed the consequences may be DFing. However, I learned it was good to ask questions, and taught several others such in the 1st chapter of he 'Teach book'...to disfellowship us now for having question, is a moral turpitude.
@@unassignedvlog5556 yes, I get your point, but they are so hung up on being exposed themselves, to get you out and silenced is no doubt their aim. It is certainly not for bringing reproach on Jehovah's name. If that was sincere, they wouldn't be dealing with the multi million pay outs they are being hit with right now for child abuse. Of course the Internet has blown their cover big time, up until then it was only a handful of demonstrators at conventions, who you dare not speak to even if you wanted to. But disfellowshiping is their policy, and I bet they wish they would not have it now, they would have greater protection and control having us inside the org😀 haha, funny isnt it, it has come back to bite them😀
They are control freaks, and how dare you have an opinion of your own... Don't you know this is going against God, if you go against the spirit led GB.. 😁 Blessings, keep up your good work.
@@joanhassett-harnett5537 Thank you, and you are correct, a simple reproof and letting them alone, would have been best because most would have carried on doing as they were with some questions on non essential questions. But they are desiring such glory and control they want any non sycophant out. However, God has granted venues(milk of the nations Isaiah 60:16) that reach into every persons hand now. (Daniel 12:4; Proverbs 1:20)
@@unassignedvlog5556 Oh yes, he surely has, and His message is resoundingly clear
" The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me, to preach good tidings to the poor, He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound" Are we all not personally summoned to do this also for those who we know are exactly in that place. (Isiah 61:1,2)
I beg of all who are in this state:-
"How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity, for scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge, turn at my rebuke, surely I will pour out my Spirit on you, I will make my words known to you".
On that note I will sign off from following, I believe that Satan further uses the aftermath of Watchtower as a tool to distract us from time better spent studying His word and really cultivating a personal relationship with Him, without which we may again be caught off guard and found wanting for knowledge when the real antichrist comes, how will we discern his cunning ways if it has taken us many years to discern the antichrist who by God's Grace we have mercifully been pulled away from.
It can become an obsession my friends listening for hours to the testimonies of others, and other sources. At the beginning it is understandable, as we want to learn as much as possible, but it can easily become an addiction, as watchtower has left that mark on us all, and watching them being brought down gives an inward sort of "about time" feeling. I say this in love and as a warning, as I was so suckled into it myself, and had to really pray hard and discipline myself so hard to pull myself away from it. I still follow one or two channels which keep us up to date as world events are unfolding, but because you subscribe to one such thing, you automatically get bombarded with similar ones that may be of interest, and that was exactly how I came upon you yesterday.
Sending love and many rich blessings to you both. God bless you as you find the real Lord and Saviour.!!
@@joanhassett-harnett5537 Not sure what you were replying to as my thread is jumbled up here. But finding the real Lord and savior isn't the problem.(Proverbs 2:1-6) Its the switcheroo they pull with their authority as the Pharisees did in putting them selves in the seat of Moses.
As for a TV watching you are correct, as with all TV watching. Most people don't sit in front of a TV set 24 7. I suppose there are a few rare addicts out there where it consumes their life, but for the vast majority they pick a few shows...some are for entertainment, some are for education, some encouragement, etc. etc. If a show focuses on the real life and struggles to remain Christian among one of perhaps the most dangerous spiritual landscapes in the world, that's more beneficial than some scripted "reality" show(1 Cor 15:33), or a sports event(1 Tim 4:8), or some fictional story of a land far far away in time or space. (2Peter 1:6)
All things in balance. {Ecc 3:1, 1Cor 6:12; 10, 23; Titus 1:15)
I want to encourage you, I've been disfellowshipped approx. 25 years for having an impossible situation that I tried to resolve but I got df'd anyway. I also do not believe that they are speaking for God, rather they as not inspired, they have imperfect light, yet imperfect man received light back in the day and were able to write the Bible. So they are setting Jah up as the fall guy when saying they had new light because the old light is wrong - when we know the holy spirit is the most powerful thing in the universe. This means those men are not getting any light. As Deut. says they are also false prophets.{Acts 5:29 WE MUST OBEY GOD AS RULER...} Not 8 governing body men who have holy spirit?... Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. (January 1, 2013 Watchtower)
Why should anyone listen to those who claim to "preach God's word" and is wrong! What are Jehovah's Witnesses wrong about? When the "end" would come! Have you ever heard of what the Bible says about false prophets? (deut 18:20-22) Do false prophets come from perfect people or imperfect people? What did Jesus say about those that deceive and claim the "time is near"? (Luke 21:8) DO NOT FOLLOW THEM!
1940 - “The year 1940 is certain to be the most important year yet because Armageddon is very near.” (Informant, April 1940, p. 1) Passed off as "truth" 77 years ago!
1941 - “Armageddon is surely near…” (Children, 1941, p. 366) More truth!
1942 - “Now, with Armageddon immediately before us…” (Watchtower, April 1, 1942, p. 139)
1946 - “The disaster of Armageddon… is at the door.” (Let God be True, 1946, p. 194) Before I was born
1955 - “In the light of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, it is becoming clear that the war of Armageddon is nearing its breaking-out point.” (You May Survive in God’s New World, 1955, p. 331)
1966 - “Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed.” (Watchtower, October 15, 1966, p. 629) more facts
What did Jesus say about those that deceive and claim the "time is near"? (Luke 21:8) DO NOT FOLLOW THEM!
They have kept every one in a state of "war readiness" which will wear a soul down and have done it for over 70 years - scaring people, telling them to hide their literature and have a to-go pack ready. Crazy end of the world talk, making people have breakdowns.
The gift Jesus gave for all - have you ever been given a gift? Did someone then come and take it away, or set conditions on your gift? You can only have it if you wash my car every other weekend? That has probably not happened. Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Abraham was declared righteous - as an example to us all. In that his faith bore fruits because he was faithful . Let me describe this like this: His faith was a seed and it grew and grew and because of his righteousness and his faithfulness his seed became a tree that bore fruit and that fruit was seen by all (in his acts-the way he behaved and acted and dealt with others and how he followed Gods laws) he was so very faithful and stayed on course that he gave up his son Isaac -we know the story. So his faith bore fruit(acts) and his works are the natural fruit to the seed that grew from his faith in God. So in James he is not contridicting Paul at KJV Acts16: 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. James 2:1-13 is about loving all people equally and the law but go to James 2:14 and his letter picks back up again on faith and works: 2:14-18 Please pay attention to verse 18 - read it carefully maybe out loud its tricky. The point is, deeds are a natural byproduct of a faithful person. Faith will do something when a person is faithful, it is a natural culmination as in the case of Abraham -friend of God, if you are not faithful you will be outed by your own show of lack of good deeds basically and honorable obiediant behavior.
...Interestingly James 2 is about loving all people - not discriminating; its interesting in James 2:4-13:....making some people more important than others. (I use the KJV because the JW Bible has been re-written and has scriptures removed - they no longer match the Greek Septuagint nor the Hebrew Translations.)
My own mother has disowned me as a "Diseased mentally ill peson who eats at the devil's table" - nice right? She knew my situation and her Elder hubby knew too and stuck up for me in the meeting but it wasn't enough. Its sad that they break famlies apart with this shunning - not for 6 months or a year but for 25 - does that seem right? You and your farmily are together in this at least and not broken apart. Read the Bible without the watchtower, the Apostles didn't need watchtower. You will see what a large role Jesus plays and that there is no place for the governing body.
Thank you for the encouragement.
Just an FYI ...I appreciate the scriptural use, but only scriptural citations are needed (not entire scriptural quotes) on such an unserviceable venue like youtube comments, meant for quick quips and one liners. We all have Bible hub to quickly retrieve cited scriptures we don't remember.
I am interested to hear your actual story though.
As for us, we were not born into witnesses, so we don't ascribe to the wake up movement, as we were never asleep! Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after baptism we used several translations, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on the Bible in the ministry, and could prove everything we believed from the Bible without literature. We refrained from teaching dogmatically, just read the scripture and asked a question and let the householder draw their own conclusions. We never wanted someone to say, "but you told me", and they cant because we let them draw their own conclusions. We stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...We just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz! So we were never "indoctrinated", as they say. The mind boggling part is the switcheroo they pulled in who our dedication was to.
@@unassignedvlog5556 sorry about that - I shortened them - i havn't written anything like it in a long time but I do have strong feelings against them. I was raised in it from 5 until 21 - told I couldn't go to college even tho I wanted to be a commercial writer, and taken from HS in the middle of 10th grade to work and go in service etc by my Mom then at 17 told I should date and settle down. I was a trouble kid I guess because I asked too many questions about why this scripture didn't match the watchtower. We had to read it every year - duh you'd think more people would figure it out if they were truly reading but I also did things like went into the public library and read other encylopedias made by other religions - Britiannica wasn't they only maker at the time because I wanted to see what their definition was of JW's and holidays were, things like that. Many times my mom tattled on me calling me an apostate but I wasn't baptised yet and only 10 and in the early 80's that wasnt a fad yet. So I think my Mom had it out for me because I made her question her faith in the religion, well she got rid of me. But I believe my eyes were always open. People were being disfellowshipped for crazy things same as me and I was there in 75 when "THE END WAS COMING IN OCTOBER" and everyone was selling their stuff and buying boats and motorhomes to live out of and quitting their jobs - they even made a special resurrection house in California for the first resurrectee's to live in - very posh. We all donated money too that piece of realestate - which is what they really are, free labor & discounted stuff to build a quick build on donated property - then sell it later for triple its old value - they are real estate moguls. Anyway I like your channel and thank you both for sharing your story and being able to keep up with a youtube channel. Jason Zelda has a great channel with a series you may or may not have watched; and Son of Thunder. I'll write my story another morning. Its not a fun thing to remember. I will say on the awake/not awake. I tried to tell people, my Mom and others and they are so in fear of or full of belief they cannot see anything of what I'm saying and if you saying anything negative it triggers instant persecution complex. Most people who get out and know they are not going back still find themselves defending that faith for no reason when horrible things happen there. SO I have seen the brainwashing and I believe it takes a certain type of person who wants to give up that control to others and just follow in relief and when they do they become sheep and do and believe what they are told - they want to. My Mom is one of those -no character, asleep. Others who are studying and waiting for a shoe to drop leave when they get scared; Some don't feel good about shunning and other things start to clear for them. I seen a million storries, been the stories. Most kids raised in it leave, you try growing up shunned at school and having a constant state of war pressed upon you plus throw in invisible demons and a god who see's everything your doing and elders who tell you to cut your hand off if you masterbate - freaks all of them!
@@thesacredmom2784Thank you for sharing. We know may people are bitter, and sometimes rightfully so. I don't get individuals that want to follow a man, I get it is only wisdom to listen to men. (Hosea 11:4) But to follow? No.
We find that with bitterness can come exaggeration, so it becomes hard to differentiate the real from the exaggeration. For instance I have never heard someone literally say to cut off your hand for masturbation. (though someone may misspeak or mishear a reference to Jesus words at Matthew 5:29) Or maybe some psycho actually said it, but its not the norm. That imbalance is what triggers that persecution complex, as it apperceives a discredit when there may not be one. But you are correct, many don't want to hear anything negative...that's just not reality, and like we mentioned, you wont hear anything negative about North Korea if you live there...does that make them a paradise because there is no negative talk?
It seems there is wisdom on both sides of the coin that should considered on the subject of college. Now a days, just by doing simple math, one starts out in the hole 100k by going to college. My sister is a lawyer, and her husband works at a nuclear facility, they readily admit their student loan payments are the same as their mortgage and they will take their student loans with them to their grave (as is the case with many college grads these days). Now, don't get me wrong, they have a nice house and a nice life, two beautiful boys, etc... but its a 'flow through' money system you live off of, constant carrying of the stress of debt, but that's the only way to achieve some career choices. On the other hand my wife and I have no college(I took a year of auto body), yet we own 4 houses, a shop, along with other properties and have over well over 20 cars (classics and drivers), all debt free...my point is you can make a successful argument for either choice, and you can make the pitfalls argument for either choice, but one should be full aware of the pitfalls and potentials of each before getting into them. The same can be said for the spirituality of individuals. Here they have these WT articles of professionals in various fields stating why they believe in God, while at the same time saying that going to college will destroy ones faith...you cant have it both ways! The problem the society has is the overwhelming pressure they put up that adds the societal congregation pressure, which alienates someone for no reason.
We don't mind most of the beliefs, and we can prove with scripture what we believe. Usually the ones you can't prove from scripture are about their authority which we don't bother arguing.(Romans 13:7) Even shunning has its place, but when you withhold the truth of what's required and twist the consequences, it becomes downright immoral, especially when you entrap a youngster and hold their family in extortion. (1 Corinthians 6:10)
How old were you when baptized?
I know the elder was not serious but it was some of the younger kids that didn't know and had not even touched themselves yet so he deliberately misused the scriptures that day it was a Tuesday night in someones home - the bible study night. But my Mom didn't correct him afterwords for my little brother, I did bring it up in the car when we were almost home and she agreed that it wasn't correct. My Mom pressured me so much, after taking me from school & getting me a job with a couple in the hall from midnight to 7am so I could go in service when I got home, she couldn't do private studying with me because I asked too many questions and I didn't trust her to tell on me so I wouldn't study with her anymore so she got a sister in the hall to do it. THen when I was 15.5 she stressed that she'd like to see me baptized before 17 or I'd be finding new place to live since I could work and legally be on my own in our state. I was shocked but she said she felt I was becomming an apostate and I was a bad example for my little brother. She was very physical. So anyway I didn't want to be kicked out that was scary and she scared me with shunning which was scary so I got baptized. at 16. I'd been raised it and it was easy to do so. ...And it was just as easy to leave, which I wish I'd just done at 16 because I gained all the family she refused to zealously see after she became a JW simply because they wouldn't be one too. She was very very zealous and went farther than most so I didn't see most of our family than once in a great while and if I got gifts and they were even close to a holiday I had to send them back with a hand written letter. They all just took me in and loved me like they had when I'd been a child. They said they were happy to have me out of there. I guess I see the religion thru a child eyes and growing up. What things looked wrong to me would be different than an adult. People do things in front of kids because they don't realize we are watching or they don't care. I saw men HIT their wives, elders do this! With no issue from the back room. I found out later "Its allowed". "Just turn the other cheek". Kids get beatings - bad beatings. I KNOW this. Kids get molested, I know this - I KNOW this. 16 years of "in" and 2 of trying to come to an agreement before they decided to make a story up for me. I didn't go to my judicial hearing because they'd made up charges that weren't true. So I said forget it, they've wanted it and they are tired of struggling with me so now they've decided to make something up. I'm not dealing in their politics anymore. I'm not going to hear their lies and try guilt me for something I didn't do. They didn't even have 2 witnesses.
We asked how the Overlapping Generations teaching made any sense and they immediately ask us if we believe that the GB are Gods sole channel and what are we doing about our dedication to the Borg? I answered that when I was baptised the questions were different and I dedicated myself to God and not an Org. My best friend did not believe the OG teaching, but he immediately shunned us. We have never been DFd because I threatened to sue them if they mentioned our names at a meeting. We were in our 60’s when we left and have never been happier. Enjoy your freedom!
Back to the channeling! (Deuteronomy 18:10, 11) Oh boy. So many people of zero integrity. All us forced out sheep need to unite! Ezekiel 34:7-14) How long were you witnesses?
Unassigned Vlog - we were both born into the religion, and I was 62 and my wife was 58 when we left in 2015. We are uniting around the world and building a lovely community of Ex JWs. There is great support at www.reddit.com/r/exjw and also on UA-cam of course. We have our own UA-cam channel under our names.
They have no power over you! But when you loose your fam and friends.
Thats devastating for some people(fortunately not as bad for us) Also some have dedicated their lives to serving this organization and have nothing! Nothing to fall back on.
Sounds like you’ve been in the organization so long that when you say you’re not bashing on someone, you are bashing on someone it’s called double speak, and that’s what they learn in the congregation and that’s what they teach you in the congregation so don’t say you’re not bashing on someone because you are bashing on someone thank you. Other than that yeah what you’re saying is absolutely correct.
Oh, no I'm not bashing them...I'm just telling the story. Believe me I could bash on them.
Have you ever seen Eric Wilson's channel? He's a good guy, I feel. And I feel similarly about you. The problem is, JWs fail to see the difference between Jehovah and the WT. This is not by chance, this is by design, and the GB is at the center of the charade. If I am a Christian, my allegiance is yo God, through Jesus, using the Bible as guideline, not WT issued publications. I feel sad for all the good people who believe blindly on the GB, and worst about those who don't buy into all they say, but, still feel captured because they don't want to lose their families and friendships. Stay strong!
I think elders are trained to cause cognitive dissonance just like the Watchtower.
So true!
You do not need a man made system, organisation, church...whatever.. to belong to Christ..because you have already been given to him. The Father already has given you to His son, so it is not up to any man to say if you are Gods child or not.
Commit fully, seek truth over every other thing that you do, seek God to worship Him in spirit and in truth, trust in all His good promises and learn who He keeps them to. The JWS get some things right. They stand for one truth that most of the other daughters have discarded and that is they do not worship the trinity idol.
The mother has infiltrated the JWS just like she has within all her wayward daughters. She works from the shadows to bring this organisation under her rule, and if she cannot bring you under her trinity banner she will create such a climate of discord within as to bring the organisation to ruin. The devil runs all the churches except for one. The one that the scriptures tell us belongs to Christ..who are HIS BODY.
If you believe you can sign up, take a wafer, get baptised into any man made, man run organisation and say "now I am a child of God" or "now I am saved".. then you are in for a rude shock when Christ returns to claim who are his.
You are far better off coming out of Babylon than staying within her..you have your manual, read it! Ask God for wisdom, for His Holy Spirit, ask for eyes to see, ears to hear. Ask for guidance for light and for faith. He will supply everything you need just as you need it. I would be thanking God for being dis fellowshipped for you are free to follow what the spirit is trying to say to the true 'church' - the body of Christ. Let no man be your conscience follow only the man God designed this whole world for, the man He Himself raised up and put His spirit upon.
The success of the JW organisation is mind control through indoctrination and fear, the same tactics as her mother the great whore church. Satan is the puppet master and he really does not care where you are as long as you are destroying your chance to find the narrow path that so few find, and even happier if you are bringing along with you, others you may influence.
The bible is the only manual you will need, but you have to have a guide, and if you truly love truth, if you really seek God with a fully committed heart, He will give you everything you need, just as you need it. Look for the fruit of the spirit..it is the only true indication you are being led on the right path. Do not let anything stop you from trusting in God's word, just be very careful of the Babylonian churches interpretations of it.
Thank you for your thoughts. I really liked the master of puppets statement...reminds me of the song Symphony of Destruction...I realize that its not many peoples musical choice...lol...but it has certain truisms. As for Babylon the Great we dont ascribe that they match the description in Revelation 17: 2, 6. However Matthew 24 48-51seems to be what they should be worried about. We should do a video on this...please subscribe so we know your thoughts when we do.
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I have a friend of 50 yrs who is a witness. I studied for a while but had reservations and decided to do my own research.This lead me to believe that it's a false religion but that the Bible is truly the word of God.I believe we are saved by grace and not of works lest any man should boast.To works to the cross I believe is blasphemous.Works follow grace.Are you aware of the Australian royal commission and the lies and refusal to comply by the governing body.The wittnesses taken to court in Canada presently and other cases of paedophillia in the organisation and how it's been handled.Also the fact that the witnesses were members of the United Nations for ten years until it came out in the news and they completely withdrew.Also that they have shares in companies like Lockheed Martin and and cigarette companies.I have a real heart for wittnesses because I feel they are so mislead.Sorry this is so lengthy but my longing is for wittnesses to really know the truth and be free.Our wonderful Saviour is coming soon for His glorious bride.Made white through His precious blood and nothing else."Just as I am without one plea,but that thy blood was shed for me".We turn from unbelieve to Him and ask for His cleansing blood.We are then justified through faith.The sanctification work begins.We are not perfect but indwelt by the Holy Spirit to convict us.Then we will be glorified.God always has a remnant.If you don't know Son of thunder I would highly recommend his channel.I sincerely pray as you seek the truth of God's word that he will reveal himself to you in ways you never imagined.With every blessing.
Please see our other videos..you will learn we are not ignorant, Becoming a witness I read everything apostate I could get my hands on at the time, and even after we used several translation, diglot/interlinear/Strongs concordance, publicly spoke about not having a WT paper route, focused on Bible in ministry, they have a lot of Bible truths, but we stood up publicly when it was clear the WT conflicted with the Bible...we just picked the wrong subject this time...don't mess with the great Oz!
I'm not out, but just the mistreatment and then that I cannot speak about it sincerely with anyone it does my head in.
Then if they knew that I have the same misbeliefs like you and I cannot speak about that with anyone either.
It's just mental torture, and the mistreatment makes it emotional torture. And it's all about control. God is not about control, he doesn't want control. Watching videos about other subjects have made see more and more that total control is the devil's game. And that gives the organisation's whole system a new very dark twist.
Yes, hard to make fhe "truth" your own when the when they wont even answer honest questions.
yes as and active member i have found there is something very odd going on everything is so overcomplicated i often wonder why jehovah doesnt end it at any point, but i dont think he is ready to excercise judgement until the organization is cleansed and it may be a while i believe artificial intelligence AI will prove it or correct it. stay strong
Matthew 24:48-51 ...we will do a vid on this soon.
Your story is similar to mine. I left by choice though.
what was your question?
Hi u are quite right i was df 4 asking question about thier fateful and descreet slave who are they that u cant question them
Who are they that you cant ask a question?...Matthew 24:48-51
The Pharisee Rabbi's will tell you that the handwashing was not up to the elbows before a meal, that was invented by someone else, now they wanted to be viewed as holy as the priests in the temple, most likely in my opinion, but they invented a prayer for washing hands before eating bread, it was a ceremonial two-handled vessel, nothing like a ceremony to make a worshiper feel like they are being holy. It's also part of the many prayers or behaviors that the Pharisees invented for righteous Jews to follow, it's the pride and of being better, these were never in the Bible. So some history from a Jewish source, I prefer to go to Nehemiawall dot com or to A Rood Awakening dot TV but I also look at the site called my Jewish learning because this gives us incite, we no longer have to wait on men in suits from a podium to tell us the research, "Origins of Netilat Yadayim
The tradition of netilat yadayim prior to eating bread originated with the rabbis of the Talmud. It derives from various practices concerning ritual impurity from when the ancient Temple stood in Jerusalem. The priests who performed the temple rituals were given gifts of oil, wine and wheat that could be eaten only after ritual washing. For various reasons, the ancient rabbis extended this practice to all Jews before eating meals. Some sources suggest that the practice was instituted so the Temple’s washing ritual would not be forgotten." www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hand-washing/
The org started with a lie, Jesus said to be aware of those who would say he came in secret and only to them, they are ... the Org we once thought we were going to learn from. those parasitic set apart holier than ... well you know. Yeshua does reign from Heaven and He did send his Helper the Holy Spirit, as you can read in Acts 2 when Peter talks about how they were on the Temple grounds and the holy spirits= was sent by Yeshua's breath as a rushing wind and the flames of light. Giving them the ability to speak to all those people at the Temple who arrived from other countries for the event of the 50th day from Passover. If you want to really know what Pentecost was all about here's a good explanation aroodawakening.tv/feast/shavuot/
Thank you...nice insight.
That is because to be a "good society-organization man" , you must go by the script. It is impossible to reason with them because they sacrificed their critical thinking and intuition to become "soceity-men" instead of loving christian men.
I read off google that Rutherford was jealous of Russel for his beard cause Rutherford couldn’t grow one , so he banned them, true or not I can’t prove but interesting possibilities
I was thinking similarly, but along the angle that Russel and those who may have fought him for WT control may have had beards, so he socially banned them(I did not research this, just a hunch at this point)...much the same way tesla was made to look like the mad scientist trying to take over the word in comics.
@@unassignedvlog5556 😂 Haha, love that.... It takes me back in time, my children used to love Tesia, 👶😔 but that was before the knock came on the door, and I was admonished to remove the comic books and shove awake and watchtowers in their faces... What was I thinking, how could I give anyone that authority over how I raised my children.
There is a difference between having Jehovah without THE organization, and having him without HIS own organizing (ways of organization). Some one could say THE organization is Catholic, others could say it is Anglican, others Russian Orthodox. THE organization is not specifically Jehovah otherwise wicked king Saul was doing all Jah wanted and we should obey and suffer with it, which means David come into Saul and let himself not just be shunned but actually killed. Do you really think Samuel sent a flyer out of 1million copies saying David is your king, do not obey Saul anymore who says kill David. The true organization is 144,000 not the governing body who fed them (but then also beat them as Jesus said the GB-FDS might dare to do). Just because Jesus warned and predicted it could be that way, did not mean the GB-FDS had to comply and make it true saying see Jesus came true again, we are beating our flock, even the least anointed brothers of heaven using appointed elders to beat them.
Jehovahs Channel.
Considering rev 11 which speaks of two witnesses
Identifying them ,
Remembering it was important for jesus to fulfill the earthly prophecies..
The two witnesses too
Have been given authority from the Almighty
For the things they've done and continue to do
Verse 5 and 6 hints.
There were also.prophecies happening to jesus
Of which he had nothing controlling over it.
Ps 22 :18.
If the imprisonment was theirs to influence,
And it wasnt
That was false religionists and the government
And their early release
Was timed perfectly to 42 months or 3 and a half years
When the Holy temple was Trampled by the nations
It was not by means of them but
Worldly organisations that
Sought justice, like " amnesty " do .
Whist it was 20 years for sedition, theyd been sentenced to !
Remarkable !
Jesus said " when the Son of Man arrives , will he really find the faith "?
Determined we must be so that our faith survives..
Its a real spiritual war
That We need to really fight.
I can't help but to think of 1st timothy 4:3 where they forbid to marry, i know its probably not written in any of the publications but it sure is pushed in the congregation, just makes me wonder what exactly is the Watchtower and what are they really doing, because its not anyway in the
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what was the Question ~~~~~~1914_1919
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@@unassignedvlog5556 I keep trying to find that specific one. Which date?
@@dantoinettetaylor1663Its This one on ("Disfellowshipped for having a question, psychological mind game-Breakfast Soapbox 1") about the 1 minute mark, I briefly discuss it.
Or maybe 1975? Didn't Armageddon happen then? Their publications all said it would.
Their hipocracy runs so deep, that I have friends and family who won't talk to me but they have not "turned me in" either. And it's all due to questions that their doctrine cannot answer. We have come to realize that The Father alone, will guide you if you humbly beg Him for enlightenment through the merits of Christ's sacrifice. He is searching for the chosen before the winds are let loose... Rev. 7 : 1-6
We would like to hear your question.
One question was, how can you "wash your robes" in the blood of the Lamb, and not partake? If the end is so near, why are so many more partaking? The understanding was that the anointed were dying off and then the end.
Unassiged Vlog they also believe that any anointed who does after 1914 are in heaven now. That is not bibical according to Thessalonians.
@@mrsdanmillerI will refrain from being dogmatic, but we have always appreciated the seemingly slight difference between being given new robes(Rev 6:11) and washing robes(Rev 22:14).
As for the end being near and more partakers, again not to be dogmatic, but it would stand to reason, even within JW theology(though hierarchy may not like it) that there are more living today than living previously, so it would stand to reason if one were to rule a people you must be familiar with the culture and the idiosyncrasies of the time period. The gradual dying off thing was not a Biblical teaching. The scriptures simply say they must die first. (John 12:24, 1Corinthians 15:36) Apparently those at the end will all die in relatively close proximity.(1Thessalonians 4:17) This may indicate a transfer to death such as Enoch, or executed or natural death until the number is fulfilled. (Hebrews 11:5) It seems best not to b dogmatic. Whatever the case, tbut apparently they must be dead and resurrected by the time Armageddon is carried out. (Revelation 17:14)
Mrs. Dan Did you understand the answers to your questions,because I didn’t.
I am so sorry for what you are going through. My grandson is being sucked into that organization and there's nothing we can say to change his mind. I guess it's just 'live and learn'. Being Disfellowshipped is such a traumatic event. Indoctrination roots run deep. I used to be an SDA....the precursor of the JW"s. I left because it was all about 'Ellen White". She can't save me no more than 'God's Organization' can save you. Yeshuah died to save us from our sins and we can only access the Father through him. Really, there's nothing else. Father Yahuwah will not forsake you. Perhaps you will come to see this as a 'blessing' one day. Perhaps it is time to realize that you need to put your trust in the ONE and not the THING. Blessings
Thank you for your thoughts, but if you watch our videos you will learn we never followed a "thing", if we did we would not be disfellowshipped!
@@unassignedvlog5556 Then, it was a blessing. We all have to pass through the Refiner's fire. Praise, Yah, because he delivers us from all of our trials. Blessings.
Lets share Matthew 5-7 the sermon on the mount with attention to Matthew 6.
Dont show off. Dont show off by giving charity where others SEE you do it. Dont pray in public. Dont pray on the streets. Go to your room and pray where ONLY god sees you. If anyone sees you pray...then their thoughts about your devotion is all the reward you are going to get.
It goes ON to say to NOT pray in church. Apparently prayer was supposed to be a PRIVATE conversation with your god.
Now if a religious group DISAGREES with that...yet claims to be followers of Jesus is that a problem? If they follow Jesus then shouldnt Jesus be the FINAL word unless Jehovah himself speaks in a loud voice from the sky?
Do JWs pray at the Kingdom Hall?
The true religion allows ANY questions.
What happened when Thomas doubted? Was he told...how DARE you doubt? You have lost eternal life?
Was he not allegedly shown evidence?
Suppose Jesus was asked which was more important....law vs life? Would he for example get a sheep out of a ditch on a sabbath to save the sheep? Jesus said he would. Would the governing body allow a transfusion to save a life and put life over law? Apparently once again the GB disagrees with Jesus.
If the governing body and Jesus disagree....who should you follow IF you claim to be Christian?
Lets do another example. What if Jesus was asked if he...would ever associate with sinners or tax collectors? Wasnt he ridiculed by religious leaders in the bible stories for doing just that? Didnt he ask folks without sin to cast the first stone? Did he not say to stop complaining about the straw in your brothers eye and yet ignoring the rafter (huge beam of wood) in your own? So if the GB or even other bible characters promoted shunning, whom should you follow if they disagree with Jesus IF you claim to be Christian?
The WT org has times with the WT GB disagree with Jesus and yet....the correct action per that group is to follow the GB...even if Jesus disagreed. Does that seem right to you re a group that calls itself Christian?
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Be forewarned, I am NOT....a Christian. The JWs claim to be. I was a JW kid...then found out Noah's global flood circa 1565 years after biblical Adam (See Genesis 5 and Noah's supposed age at the flood per Gen. 7 to get this number) NEVER happened. Look up when the native Americans got to America. All life NOT on the ark allegedly died yet...the Native Americans just ....failed to notice the flood. The plants and animals they used for food....just failed to die in the flood. Check every OTHER continent save the Arctic and Antarctic. Look up when people arrived there. Find out if they failed to notice humanity had not started yet with Adam 6000 years ago. See if they failed to notice a global flood of Noah and the flood fame. When the org mentioned Adam....we pictured a middle Eastern garden and NOT a planet with people already on every continent. When they mentioned a global flood, we pictured Noah and an ark...not people, plants and animals world wide that failed to die. Once you widen your view of the planet WHEN the creation of humanity allegedly happened....and when the flood allegedly happened, you cant ...unsee it.
All those versus you found dull in bible reading where someone was X years old and beget someone else or an event happened...allows building a time line of bible events. Now these events either had to happen where, when and how the bible said or ....the bible is not the inerrant word of anyone.
Also please DO look up Canaanite gods, El, Asherah, Yahweh.
See for example Wikipedia Yahweh. No its not the final word but is a place to begin.
Yahweh was a bronze age addition to the El and Asherah fictional family of gods as a lesser god. Yahweh priests rose in power and so the spin became that Yahweh was the high god. See Exodus 20. It does NOT say....dont believe other gods are real. It says that none of those OTHER GODS...should be in priority to Yahweh. The spin that Yahweh was always the ONLY god was a later development.
Note the original version of Yahweh per the bible...walked in the garden of Eden, had a face....that no man could see and yet live, had a right hand near where the favored would sit etc. The later version was that god was an all knowing, all powerful spirit being who could foresee the future. That the description of the god changed smelled of human construct. Humanity changed its exception as to what a god should be.
Also realize that if YOU stole something, and let someone else take the blame and go to prison, that would be TWO wrongs. It is an injustice to allow another, an innocent, to pay for your misdeeds. Christianity is based on that premise. You do wrong yet....are supposed to let Jesus pay for that. Morally its wrong. But wait...Yahweh will knock up a Jewish girl who had not yet known a man and was betrothed to another....to create the baby to be used as a human sacrifice. Morally repugnant? Based on the power difference between a god and a girl....wasnt this essentially rape? The penalty for having sex with a betrothed female of another ....was DEATH. So by Jewish law....Yahweh should be put to death for that. Yet YOU are to agree to that, accept that rape. Accept a human sacrifice. Then you are to gain from it by using Jesus supposedly as a scapegoat. So what happened? Could Yahweh not allegedly foresee that he was going to use Mary? So why break his own laws and not tell her BEFORE she agreed to be betrothed to Joseph? Realize that since Mary was betrothed....she had to object to being impregnated by another OR merit the death penalty. Once Yahweh knocked up Mary....was he to do the honorable thing and marry her? Yet he did not. Did ya notice that? He knocked up a woman then dumped responsibility on another ie left Joseph to take care of her and the kid? Is Yahweh really the role model for family values?
So Yahweh knocks up a Jewish girl betrothed to someone else. If you believe as the writers claimed...but she really wanted it...then ya would be parroting words of most rapists. The bible writers went that route. It still was a violation of Jewish law and morality. Meanwhile how did Joseph feel about someone else impregnating his betrothed? Yahweh apparently did not care. Joseph was mostly irrelevant in the story. How kind was that? Jewish law indicates that an unkindness of that magnitude merits death and if the girl is willing...of both offending parties. Joseph should have been relevant.
Granted since Yahweh fails re the Adam story, Noah story, creation story, tower of Babel story (re all the world was ONE language yet the Egyptians and Sumerians had not only different spoken languages but different written ones by the supposed flood date) then the impregnation of Mary story was fiction.
You may not LIKE what I have said but that doesnt make the issues I have raised NOT a problem.
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Have you read the transcript of the Douglas Welsh Trial of 1954?
No, what was the subject matter?
@@unassignedvlog5556 You must google it. It was a court setting where a WT lawyer, and I think, Franz, testified. They were defending the right to conscientious objection to serving in the army. But they basically said that unity amongst jws was more important than truth. And it was better to be United in believing a lie than to have disunity. It's riveting reading!
@@RupunzelsawakeInteresting...we will make a video on this at some point, but when we first questioned the GB being the FDS in one of our meetings one of the elders (New SKE GRAD sent to our hall) has me read. 1Corinthians 1:10. So I read...take a slight pause and continue... "For the disclosure was made to me about YOU, my brothers, by those of [the house of] Chlo′e, that dissensions exist among YOU." I take a pause just long enough for him to think I'm done reading, but then continue emphatically. "What I mean is this" (Pause) ""that each one of YOU says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·pol′los,” “But I to Ce′phas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 The Christ exists divided. Paul was not impaled for YOU, was he? Or were YOU baptized in the name of Governing Body?(purposeful substitution.) That's what was causing the division in the first place! They were causing the division! Psalm 127:1 tells the truth of the matter. And if Gods spirit is truth, and you are in unity in an untruth, how are you not unified in darkness on that subject?
@@unassignedvlog5556 Exactly! The governing body also prove to be like Diotrephes who likes "first place" and throws anyone out of the congregation who disagrees with him.
@@Rupunzelsawake It shouldn't be this way and it will not continue to be when the true faithful and discreet slave is appointed. He will put things right. I promise. I know this because i will be that faithful (to Bible truth) and wise slave. Come and see my work before the E.U. "beast from the abyss" kills it with their Article 13 "copyright" law (Rev. 11:7). My "bitter-sweet" message is the "little scroll" of Revelation 10 and i am the "two" witnesses of Revelation 11. No man has ever refuted what i teach and they never will (Rev. 11:5). My channel is "Electric Earth." Read everything i posted there.
Great
Tiffany is right about that beard!
I earned my DF big time. If you can leave with a bang do so.
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