Yess, yes, teach us ALL of judo, not just Olympic sport judo. I tried a few techniques that almost beat a few opponents today, but my Sensei said it was illegal in Olympic rules, so I couldn’t do it.
I do find it shocking that alot of judoka in the olympics right now refuse to do newaza when their on the ground. Some of the judoka half hartedly try and then give up. Its sad man! I love a good wrestle!
Indeed, Olympic Judo and IJF are a sickening parody of Kodokan Judo. Jigoro Kano's worst fear for Judo was that competition would become the ruin of Judo. He is being proven correct.
Wow! How did you read that into what he said? One would think that you are either very immature and take anything that seems to disagree with you as a threat or.......you are a troll. I would be glad to retract all that I said if you can show me what caused you to issue a challenge in someone else's behalf. I am curious.
I don’t know if I might be missing it too, but my club is a very newwaza-tachiwaza balanced club. It’s almost 50/50 every class. Sometimes more of one than the other. Most of these ground submissions I’ve seen a lot, but you’re right at a higher level less so. I think it’s interesting to see which techniques come back in vogue. Even our senior instructors talk about how certain techniques come and go again in comp. maybe this will be a call to bring them back into popularity Chadi😉
Terrible that in International competition the refs will almost immediately call a stop once both are on the ground... a total injustice to Newaza masters!
Honestly, watching the Olympics right now just makes me sad. So many stupid rules, Judo is ruined. People keep saying "oh but there's more ippons now", so what? There's more fights ended with shido also. We just lost too much and the sport looks horrible.
Indeed. In my youth, in the 60s, my sensei in Japan told me that a win by decision is really a loss. You did not defeat your opponent, but just lucked out.
I learned Judo in both Ireland and Canada (Nidan). Excellent video. I have a few comments. When applying Ude Garami, I was told by Charles Hegarty (Rokudan), always to pull the arm towards your opponent's torso before applying the upward pressure. It is more effective, more controlled and much safer. Also, I used Sukkikomi Jime. The "secret" is to always have your choking hand under the gi so it cannot be pulled away, and to apply a twist of your fist towards the neck. In Canada, I was told "that's old, no one uses it". I won many fights with that technique, especially from underneath. Katate Jime is a technique which should be used more. I watched recent Olympic fights where it could have worked well. Also, I use the one hand choke holding both lapels (unsure of the name). All the techniques mentioned, if applied correctly, are excellent. Injury results from jerky and incorrect technique. Good technique gives increasing control without injury. Thanks for another great video.
As a young man in Japan in the 1960s, I competed almost every week. Tsukinamijiai in several prefectures. I repeatedly was able to get hiza gatame. You haradly ever see it, especially in the classical form, nowadays.
I'm watching Judo in the Olympics this week and what I see is that high-level competition Judo is poorer: less variety of techniques, lots of sheer strength, most fights decided by cumulated Shido and a lot of tactical play around it, and many "throws" coming from a very low stance or even kneeled position (gross pushes that characterize no waza at all). It's ugly to see. I think that the IJF rules made Judo become like this, and they need to be widely reassessed. I'm all in favor of returning with leg grabs, Yuko score, and much of what we had in the past. With strict attention to punishing low stances and other attitudes alike to prevent the return of "crouching wrestling/judo" (only if referees had done this right back then...), of course, and some modifications, maybe, like if you do a flying armbar and land on your head, it's Hansoku-make, but if you don't, it should be legal. Judo has now so many constraints that it's no more than natural that competitors will invest in more conservative approaches, leading to this poorer Judo we are seeing. The IJF already announced that they will reassess the rules set after the Olympics, let's wait and pray that they do it with wisdom and love to true Judo.
Nobody does a flying arm lock trying to land on their head, it's just coincidentally it's quite easy to smash your own head by accident while doing it so it's better that people not attempt it in the first place - just like how backflips are illegal in figure skating because you're very likely just to end up smashing your head into the ice and they don't want people even attempting to practice it. Flying arm lock is moreso banned because of the danger of uncontrolled falling body mass.
On this 2024 olympics, there was one male judge who didn't allowed for any ne-waza and immediately proceed to make judokas stand up, so it's fault on the referees as well. What a shame. Also what a disgrace is Garrigos, and also shame on the judge there.
@@noahgraber9339 if you think that bjj athletes can just go in and dominate judo, then you don’t know judo. If that was possible people would have done it already.
@@Chadi I don't know judo lol. I guess I mean that bjj would be a great way to improve newaza right? Maybe not pins but definitely in finding submissions. I guess it looks like to me that Judo has influenced bjj more than bjj has influenced Judo even though bjj has expanded ground techniques and subs.
Funny I did Ude Garami recently in ne-waza randori and my partnet protested that he thought it was an illegal move because he felt that there was some pressure on the shoulder. Granted my implementation may not have been perfect but I think a lot of judoka dont realise this is legal
Yeah it's one of those things where they tap to the pain in the shoulder. You just need to explain that the elbow is going to break long before the shoulder in that case so therefore it's an armlock. I don't know if anyone has had the same experience but in the BJJ world it seems that most instructions consider it to be a shoulder lock. Presumably because of the pain in the shoulder when applied.
Thank goodness catch wrestling have kept MOST of their submissions legal. Except, in Wigan, direct strangles are illegal. While bjj kept most submissions legal except neck crank ( catch style cross face) and spine locks ( Boston 🦀 and Texas cloverleaf).
@@joeg7096 I am not a catch wrestler but a fan. Catch wrestling is MORE relevance than judo. Even though judo is in Olympics. But Olympics freestyle wrestling evolved from catch wrestling. Used to be called amateur catch wrestling. And USED to allow double wrist lock ( kimura/ ude garuma) as a WAY to PIN.
@@tichtran664 you are delulu catch wrestlers can enter adcc or mma comps yet they dont and when they do get they destroyed(see the catch wrestling championship being taken by an average 10th planet bb) catch wrestling is not relevant at all, just a bunch of fat guys jacking each other off about how bjj people conspire against them(they arent, its just nobody cares about it)
And thats why brazilian jiu jitsu reins supreme on the ground - it's kodokan judo in its original form, preserved like in the time capsule. Btw, americana and kimura is used alot in bjj.
As judo rules move back towards permissiveness in newaza (we'll see what happens in 25, but definitely that's what happened in 21) there is a niche opening up for judoka with good ground skills. It may take time for players to begin exploring that niche, but I'm sure it's there.
they are just rare but from time to time u see some crazy stuff also and from the other time you got only the more interesting stuff- therefore the bias that there were better times for judo but I remember lots of really boring stuff e.g. when one player was fighting to stop all action because he got his koka score
I think referees are not giving enough time to work many techniques, so do you want to expend energy working at for instance an udegarami sequence then get matte while you were still working.
Coming from jiujitsu/mma world, these techniques are EXTREMELY difficult to pull off when somebody has a little experience with defending them, meaning has not been hit by them more than a few times. Especially the twisting locks on the arms. In Jiujitsu competitions you almost do not see any of the techniques you have shown here, not because we do not know them but because they are really easy to defend. Most meta submissions take time to set up and slowly immobilize your opponent in opposition to the opportunistic ones, where suprise element helps. In my understanding there is very little time for that in judo. In my eyes when I watch most judokas attempt submissions in competition it is half assed and probably so to preserve energy, because either it will be easily defended due to lack of time to immobilize and break down your opponents defenses. I also see a lot of opportunities for submissions that they could take but again - time constraint makes it likely not worth it.
Judo has very subjective rules. A lot of the tropes that coaches teach like "5 seconds to advance on the ground" are not actually in the rules. Newaza is more wide open than it has been in a few decades at least. We need more newaza tournaments to teach referees, coaches, and competitors what the rules are and of course to give every judoka more experience
you know when they end up on the ground, why doesn't the person who's being tackled try to get up right away? why does he just lay there inactively and risk being held down or strangled or arm barred? why not get up on his feet as soon as possible? please enlighten me.
@@msss126 yeah when one guy failed his throw and somehow both stumble to the ground and the one guy attempts some newaza and the other guy why doens't he just stand up?
In judo, ground fighting is fast, explosive and effective in order to quickly achieve a submission. not like bjj. Judo also relates more to reality. That is, if the atheists see no possibility, they drop out or don't try. it takes too much energy. Nevertheless, I think that there should be more fighting in the ground. but who complains most of the time? hobby athletes. It also depends on the club. I like the diversity. We train all of this submissions and techniques.
I train bota judo and bjj in Brasil and this is untrue in my experience. most Judokas are amazing on their feet, but terrível on the ground. The reverse is also True, jiu jiteiros are Amazing on the ground , but lacking on their feet. Im yet to see a pure jidoka Win on the ground against a bjj guy.
Americana might be dying, because it is so easy to defend. You have to have a big advantage in strenght to ever finish it. Kimura too, although it can be done sitting on the other guys head etc, so it doesn't require as much of a advantage in strenght.
Yess, yes, teach us ALL of judo, not just Olympic sport judo. I tried a few techniques that almost beat a few opponents today, but my Sensei said it was illegal in Olympic rules, so I couldn’t do it.
I do find it shocking that alot of judoka in the olympics right now refuse to do newaza when their on the ground. Some of the judoka half hartedly try and then give up. Its sad man! I love a good wrestle!
I absolutely hate when they get a throw and instead of continuing with ne waza they just stare at the ref to see if they scored.
Indeed, Olympic Judo and IJF are a sickening parody of Kodokan Judo. Jigoro Kano's worst fear for Judo was that competition would become the ruin of Judo. He is being proven correct.
You think you can beat them on the ground?
@@pieterduits4638 nope
Wow! How did you read that into what he said? One would think that you are either very immature and take anything that seems to disagree with you as a threat or.......you are a troll. I would be glad to retract all that I said if you can show me what caused you to issue a challenge in someone else's behalf. I am curious.
I don’t know if I might be missing it too, but my club is a very newwaza-tachiwaza balanced club. It’s almost 50/50 every class.
Sometimes more of one than the other.
Most of these ground submissions I’ve seen a lot, but you’re right at a higher level less so.
I think it’s interesting to see which techniques come back in vogue.
Even our senior instructors talk about how certain techniques come and go again in comp. maybe this will be a call to bring them back into popularity Chadi😉
I'd like to visit your club. Sounds very good.
Could you tell, Where is it?
good work at the stadium, bro. was a pleasent surprise to hear you
Terrible that in International competition the refs will almost immediately call a stop once both are on the ground... a total injustice to Newaza masters!
Honestly, watching the Olympics right now just makes me sad. So many stupid rules, Judo is ruined. People keep saying "oh but there's more ippons now", so what? There's more fights ended with shido also. We just lost too much and the sport looks horrible.
Indeed. In my youth, in the 60s, my sensei in Japan told me that a win by decision is really a loss. You did not defeat your opponent, but just lucked out.
Uta Abe's upset loss was ridiculous
Excellent, brings back back fond memories!
Beautiful educational video Chadi.
I learned Judo in both Ireland and Canada (Nidan). Excellent video.
I have a few comments. When applying Ude Garami, I was told by Charles Hegarty (Rokudan), always to pull the arm towards your opponent's torso before applying the upward pressure. It is more effective, more controlled and much safer.
Also, I used Sukkikomi Jime. The "secret" is to always have your choking hand under the gi so it cannot be pulled away, and to apply a twist of your fist towards the neck. In Canada, I was told "that's old, no one uses it". I won many fights with that technique, especially from underneath.
Katate Jime is a technique which should be used more. I watched recent Olympic fights where it could have worked well.
Also, I use the one hand choke holding both lapels (unsure of the name).
All the techniques mentioned, if applied correctly, are excellent. Injury results from jerky and incorrect technique. Good technique gives increasing control without injury.
Thanks for another great video.
What’s interesting is that the guys in my gym do all of these except for the flying armbar. I guess it’s just missing from the highest levels.
As a young man in Japan in the 1960s, I competed almost every week. Tsukinamijiai in several prefectures. I repeatedly was able to get hiza gatame. You haradly ever see it, especially in the classical form, nowadays.
Hadake jime is also not seen a lot.
@@KingOfSwords720Is it a joke?
I love these oldschool techniques
I'm watching Judo in the Olympics this week and what I see is that high-level competition Judo is poorer: less variety of techniques, lots of sheer strength, most fights decided by cumulated Shido and a lot of tactical play around it, and many "throws" coming from a very low stance or even kneeled position (gross pushes that characterize no waza at all). It's ugly to see. I think that the IJF rules made Judo become like this, and they need to be widely reassessed. I'm all in favor of returning with leg grabs, Yuko score, and much of what we had in the past. With strict attention to punishing low stances and other attitudes alike to prevent the return of "crouching wrestling/judo" (only if referees had done this right back then...), of course, and some modifications, maybe, like if you do a flying armbar and land on your head, it's Hansoku-make, but if you don't, it should be legal. Judo has now so many constraints that it's no more than natural that competitors will invest in more conservative approaches, leading to this poorer Judo we are seeing. The IJF already announced that they will reassess the rules set after the Olympics, let's wait and pray that they do it with wisdom and love to true Judo.
Nobody does a flying arm lock trying to land on their head, it's just coincidentally it's quite easy to smash your own head by accident while doing it so it's better that people not attempt it in the first place - just like how backflips are illegal in figure skating because you're very likely just to end up smashing your head into the ice and they don't want people even attempting to practice it. Flying arm lock is moreso banned because of the danger of uncontrolled falling body mass.
Yes, nothing like watching drop seoi being failed over and over and over…..
あなたの意見に同感です。講道館のルールの世界大会を復活させて欲しい。オリンピックはヨーロッパの貴族たちのものだからどうしようもない。もうそのままでいい。でもサッカーで選手がオリンピックに価値を感じないように講道館の王者に価値を感じる選手も増えてくるはず。
On this 2024 olympics, there was one male judge who didn't allowed for any ne-waza and immediately proceed to make judokas stand up, so it's fault on the referees as well. What a shame. Also what a disgrace is Garrigos, and also shame on the judge there.
Guilherme Schmidt, from Brazil, performed a beautiful and painful ude garami in recently
The Udegarami is one of the holds my trainer has thaught us first! Didn't know that it was rare. He always said, that if you grab the arm to do it
What stops a bjj athlete from competing judo and and wreaking havoc in the nawaze
@@noahgraber9339 if you think that bjj athletes can just go in and dominate judo, then you don’t know judo. If that was possible people would have done it already.
@@Chadi I don't know judo lol. I guess I mean that bjj would be a great way to improve newaza right? Maybe not pins but definitely in finding submissions. I guess it looks like to me that Judo has influenced bjj more than bjj has influenced Judo even though bjj has expanded ground techniques and subs.
Love that you replaced the background footage with your own progress
great video
Funny I did Ude Garami recently in ne-waza randori and my partnet protested that he thought it was an illegal move because he felt that there was some pressure on the shoulder. Granted my implementation may not have been perfect but I think a lot of judoka dont realise this is legal
Yeah it's one of those things where they tap to the pain in the shoulder. You just need to explain that the elbow is going to break long before the shoulder in that case so therefore it's an armlock.
I don't know if anyone has had the same experience but in the BJJ world it seems that most instructions consider it to be a shoulder lock. Presumably because of the pain in the shoulder when applied.
@@johnhawthorne2901it’s busted my shoulder for 10 months and my elbow was fine
Thank goodness catch wrestling have kept MOST of their submissions legal. Except, in Wigan, direct strangles are illegal. While bjj kept most submissions legal except neck crank ( catch style cross face) and spine locks ( Boston 🦀 and Texas cloverleaf).
More and more judo is becoming irrelevant. No leg locks, no nogi competition, no leg grabbing, and more submissions being illegal.
@tichtran664 sad and true. I love Judo... all of judo not just what is in some tournaments rule book.
@@tichtran664 a "catch wrestler" talking about irrelevance is pretty hilarious
@@joeg7096 I am not a catch wrestler but a fan. Catch wrestling is MORE relevance than judo. Even though judo is in Olympics. But Olympics freestyle wrestling evolved from catch wrestling. Used to be called amateur catch wrestling. And USED to allow double wrist lock ( kimura/ ude garuma) as a WAY to PIN.
@@tichtran664 you are delulu
catch wrestlers can enter adcc or mma comps yet they dont and when they do get they destroyed(see the catch wrestling championship being taken by an average 10th planet bb)
catch wrestling is not relevant at all, just a bunch of fat guys jacking each other off about how bjj people conspire against them(they arent, its just nobody cares about it)
And thats why brazilian jiu jitsu reins supreme on the ground - it's kodokan judo in its original form, preserved like in the time capsule. Btw, americana and kimura is used alot in bjj.
As judo rules move back towards permissiveness in newaza (we'll see what happens in 25, but definitely that's what happened in 21) there is a niche opening up for judoka with good ground skills. It may take time for players to begin exploring that niche, but I'm sure it's there.
Reverse ude like at 1:59 is so easy to get and effective...but now its gone
they are just rare but from time to time u see some crazy stuff also and from the other time you got only the more interesting stuff- therefore the bias that there were better times for judo but I remember lots of really boring stuff e.g. when one player was fighting to stop all action because he got his koka score
Sometimes having just one trick is better than 10.
I was doing a bicep slicer on my sparring partner and my Shihan forced me to stop and said never do it again
Too much has been lost. Those "brutal" submissions were mainstream back in my days.
Sup Chadi
Hello
I wonder if anyone managed to pull off a Hiza Gatame
5:10 Leg armlock vs turtle
I was told joint pressure against the shoulder is all illegal as a submission now...
sempre foi....
Is the ude garame currently legal?
Yep
I think referees are not giving enough time to work many techniques, so do you want to expend energy working at for instance an udegarami sequence then get matte while you were still working.
what's the story about someone get put to sleep? was that in the olympics?
Do they actually use standing submissions in judo competitions?
It's illegal now.
Coming from jiujitsu/mma world, these techniques are EXTREMELY difficult to pull off when somebody has a little experience with defending them, meaning has not been hit by them more than a few times. Especially the twisting locks on the arms. In Jiujitsu competitions you almost do not see any of the techniques you have shown here, not because we do not know them but because they are really easy to defend. Most meta submissions take time to set up and slowly immobilize your opponent in opposition to the opportunistic ones, where suprise element helps. In my understanding there is very little time for that in judo. In my eyes when I watch most judokas attempt submissions in competition it is half assed and probably so to preserve energy, because either it will be easily defended due to lack of time to immobilize and break down your opponents defenses. I also see a lot of opportunities for submissions that they could take but again - time constraint makes it likely not worth it.
You don't see ude garami (aka the americana) because it's easy to defend. You're not allowed to kimura properly because that's a shoulder submission.
Great video, you are The Autentic Judo nerd
Judo has very subjective rules. A lot of the tropes that coaches teach like "5 seconds to advance on the ground" are not actually in the rules. Newaza is more wide open than it has been in a few decades at least. We need more newaza tournaments to teach referees, coaches, and competitors what the rules are and of course to give every judoka more experience
you know when they end up on the ground,
why doesn't the person who's being tackled try to get up right away?
why does he just lay there inactively and risk being held down or strangled or arm barred?
why not get up on his feet as soon as possible?
please enlighten me.
Are you talking about when the opponent just lies flat on their stomach or turtles?
@@msss126 yeah when one guy failed his throw and somehow both stumble to the ground and the one guy attempts some newaza and the other guy why doens't he just stand up?
@@willyhwang1059to avoid getting thrown as he rises
@@pieterduits4638 i guess? i still would rather rise to be on my feet than looking like a turtle on the ground and risk losing by newaza
@@willyhwang1059you would be thrown for ippon while trying to stand, especially if you have no grips and the ref hasn't called mate
Judo needs more shidos
😊
In judo, ground fighting is fast, explosive and effective in order to quickly achieve a submission.
not like bjj.
Judo also relates more to reality.
That is, if the atheists see no possibility, they drop out or don't try.
it takes too much energy.
Nevertheless, I think that there should be more fighting in the ground.
but who complains most of the time?
hobby athletes.
It also depends on the club.
I like the diversity.
We train all of this submissions and techniques.
I train bota judo and bjj in Brasil and this is untrue in my experience. most Judokas are amazing on their feet, but terrível on the ground. The reverse is also True, jiu jiteiros are Amazing on the ground , but lacking on their feet. Im yet to see a pure jidoka Win on the ground against a bjj guy.
Flying armbar? Vs Olympians? Cmon man... Lol.
Is Chadi better at BJJ than Judo 😄✌
Americana might be dying, because it is so easy to defend. You have to have a big advantage in strenght to ever finish it. Kimura too, although it can be done sitting on the other guys head etc, so it doesn't require as much of a advantage in strenght.
Chadi discovers jujitsu?😅
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