It’s getting really annoying tbh, it’s just about who has the most Ki winning. In Tenkaichi 3 this was really rare because it’d use a lot more Ki and there was also a mechanic where if you have lower health, you have less frames to vanish. It seems like in this game your health doesn’t matter leading to these infinite chains, hopefully the devs can sort something out in a patch.
Could you clarify, you mean you only vanish at the last second? I don’t think it makes a difference because once they see your vanish animation it’s easy to counter vanish into a chain.
Finally an in depth video talking about timing, with notations on screen! Instead of everyone just explaining what a vanish is like the tutorial already does
Thank you so much, I really appreciate you liking the effort in the vids! There’s not much point just recapping what the tutorial says, I always add extra stuff that the tutorial doesn’t show (there’s quite a lot of important things that I’m going to cover).
Ayyy love to see the OGs out here showing love to the videos 🔥. Yeah there was only so much I could do in terms of analysis with just trailers before, now I can really dive into mechanics and tips for the game to help people out! I’ve got a lot of ideas it just takes time to make the videos but the grind will continue 🫡
In Tenkaichi 3 if you ran out of Ki you would actually teleport behind them and the game would sorta stop for a moment and then resumes, there was no infinite chains basically. I’m not sure why they removed it :/
I mention in the video several times to click your guard input, but I should’ve pointed out that it’s R1 on standard, apologises if that caused any confusion.
This was super useful - for some reason I'm struggling to vanish like I did in previous Budokais. So - to vanish, it's always "just" timing of using guard? And do you use any directional buttons or is it literally just "guard"? Lastly - does it consume Ki or any other gauge - it didn't seem to! Thanks!
Thank you for the comment, I’m glad you find it so useful! Just to clarify, you mean previous Budokai Tenkaichis and not Budokais right, they’re pretty different games? Yes it’s strictly the timing of clicking your guard button, but it only works on vanishable attacks that I showed here. You can use directional buttons with the guard button too, I’d actually recommend doing that. If you hold forwards and guard then you will vanish behind your opponent then you can start combos on the back, which are better as the opponent has less defensive options. The first vanish you do for any hit does not require Ki, it’s basically a free vanish. However if you get into consecutive vanishes aka a vanish chain, it consumes Ki, about half a bar which is half the size of BT3 vanishes so they’re much longer! Hope that helps
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
Those are the amount of health bars you have so if you have 3 you have 3 bars green yellow red you’ll see the stronger characters having more which is why their health bar is like a blue
Good spot, I was going to mention this in my next video but I’ll quickly say it here. Each small bar represents a health bar and the long one is also a health bar. Each health bar = 10K HP, so a Super that does 10k damage wipes one health bar. E.g. MUI Goku has 4 small green bars and one long one, that’s 5 bars = 50k HP total.
I was fighting one dude .. and everytime we used to chain z counters he literally canceled his and started to combo me from behind??! So this is possible but how did he do it I dunno , and he didnt do it once but everytime instead of hitting me from behind he teleported and started to just rush attack me .
You can’t cancel a Z Counter chain once it’s started until someone mistimes it, then you get smashed away. Are you sure you’re referring to the vanish chains here? I think you might be referring to the offensive vanish. You can use rush attacks and then click your guard button and use your analog stick to vanish behind them mid combo, and carry on the attack.
Hi, sorry if I'm wrong. You said press guard to vanish but guard is the bumper button (r1 on ps, rb on xbox)?? But you're pressing O button which is the counter button?? I really want to get better at this
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
Hi. Finally a vido actually eyplaining mechanics. Can you do a video on defending after the lift strike? The tutotrial does not say anything, the explanation of control mentions two move under the same command, B (classic, xbox). It used to be guard that countered rush but lost against heavy and down that was vice versa. How does it work here? I cant find a way to practice it (btw how did you set the AI to do only one type of attack?)
Thanks for the support. I believe defense after the lift strike is the exact same as Tenkaichi 3. If they do a Lift Strike into Rush Attacks (square melee hits), you can defend it by holding your guard button + Left Stick Forward (I’m pretty sure it’s forward and not down but I’ll double check this later). This’ll put you in your perception stance to counter instantly. This is for Classic controls btw. If you’re on standard then just clicking your guard button should work. If they do a heavy finish first and then combo, this usually wouldn’t work but I think Super Perception could actually work as it works against Rush Chains. I’ll try out these methods later and get back to you for 100%. I don’t actually play the AI here, I had a friend kindly join me to help record for the video.
Thanks for the reply man. In BT3 it was up+circle against rush, and down+circle against heavy or throw. A nice mixup option. SZ tutorial does not seem to explain this. In EoC it says midair perception after a lift stike is perception button, midair recovery is guard after a lift strike. (Althogh when you are on classic, for both it says B, EoC seem to be gltched with classic controls) So i dont know man. It does no even recognize it eith the name aerial combo like BT3 did. There is a lift strike trainig option, but the AI rarely actually do it and even more rarely jumps after you so I could not practice it.
Sorry what do you mean by EoC? Yeah they removed the namings for some of the follow up combos and I don’t think there’s even any follows you can do on Ground Slash anymore. Really weird decision imo. Yeah I thought the training mode options at first were really cool but a lot of the times it doesn’t function properly or glitches. Like the Counter mode doesn’t efficiently Super Counter to practice, even in BT3 there was a really good ZC practice with Super Buu, I’d spend time grinding that.
Game is fun but ranked is toxic af already soon as you get to.B tier Master roshi spams a beam attack thats unblockable not figuertaively but literally and theres yajirobe senzu span which is actually less annoying then master roshi some how these need to be fixed asap makes it almost unplayable
Damn the Master Roshi spam is more toxic than Yajirobe? From what I heard the Yajirobe Senzu Strat is extremely annoying because of how quickly it activates. I haven’t fully gone into ranked yet as I’m trying to make guides and find tech in training, once I play the scum I’m sure I can find some counters for you guys 😮💨
This is a great video and all so it must be cause there is no reason that I have been trying to to figure out the timing for z vanish online since Saturday and then super counter is just annoying when your opponent can consistently do it but you can’t
Thanks for liking the video. The tutorial is lacking in terms of in depth vanishing so hopefully this gives you a clear idea. Super Counter is a bit overpowered right now as there’s a low cool down, I’ll be making a guide to how to do these soon, stay tuned! 🔥
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve mentioned that I’m on Classic controls at the start. I forgot that Circle on Standard is actually Perception, but the timings for the inputs are all the same.
Nice a fellow classic user! Haha I haven’t actually played the story mode but don’t worry as the story mode has unrealistic buffs to the AI that wouldn’t be in actual matches. It’s more of a party mode kinda thing with the story.
It should cost 1 bar like BT3. I also have mixed feelings about always needing more Ki than the opponent just to win. In BT3 if you run out of Ki, you can still vanish but don't get the follow up attack so you can string more rush attack combos. This change will take some getting used to
Initially I thought the half Ki bar change would be a good thing but I quickly regretted that now as they changed the vanish mechanics so much (health doesn’t impact it anymore). Yeah needing more Ki just to win is really annoying too. When you ran out of Ki in BT3 and got the vanish it actually rewarded you lol, it makes sense to make the person with the most Ki technically win the whole vanish but they should’ve kept the vanish difficulty the same. That way the vanish wars would be minimal and actually skill based.
Did you remap your guard button to circle from r1? Or does r1 guard differently than cuticle? Because on Xbox the stock block is RB but B also does a guard thing too. It's like an auto guard or something? The guard controls are kind of confusing lol
I am using classic controls which is circle to guard for me. The standard controls is R1/RB to guard. Your B button is the control for Perception which is another form of defense (auto counter). For me, Perception is Circle + Triangle but because you’re using standard it’s just B for you. I recommend you go into the training mode quickly for defense as it shows you the basic inputs, but I will be making guides covering the other defense mechanics in depth.
You mean a defensive skill like Explosive Wave or Android Barrier? I don’t think it’ll work because you have to be in neutral stance to activate this and when you’re in a vanish chain you’re not in neutral until you win the chain.
Sorry I should’ve clarified in the video I’m using Classic controls. The idea is the same though, you click your guard button which is R1 on Standard at the same timings to vanish.
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
Yes, I should’ve clarified at the start I’m using Classic so my guard input is Circle. On standard it’s R1 so it works the exact same way with the timings of the input
This particular video I had a friend help out for the specific types of vanishable attacks. You can put the bot to settings like Rush Chains, Smash Attack and Follow Up Attacks to practice more general ones. If you scroll in the “Opponent Settings” in training mode it’ll say lots of options with descriptions to help.
I should’ve clarified I’m using Classic controls where my guard button is Circle. I mention to click your guard button in the video which is R1 on Standard (I’m assuming you play that). Circle on Standard controls is the button for Perception which is another defensive mechanic in the game.
Very good question, I’ve seen clips of this being done in offline mode (very hard timing). Apparently in online gameplay its basically impossible to do because of the slight input delay from connections, I’m going to have to try experimenting with this more to find out fully.
It's R1 in Standard control scheme, O in Classic control scheme. The person in this video is using the Classic scheme, so it's O for them. In Standard controls, O does "Perception," which is a counter and works differently from the Vanishing technique.
@@SolidSL510 Yeah, with Classic, you must hold O + Triangle to do Perception. It's one of the reasons they changed the controls the way they did. If you're not accustomed to Classic controls already, I think it's better to go with Standard tbh.
@@Archon139 Well I am far from an expert, in fact I am pretty new to this series myself. We've already reached the limits of most of my knowledge lol. So take everything I say with a grain of salt. For solar flare specifically, I don't know if there's a way to dodge it, I think the point of it is that it can't be dodged? But for more normal projectile types, I think you do a dragon dash with left stick and X (or A on Xbox). And I think you can also counter them with Perception but it takes an action point? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry I should’ve specified this, it’s actually Kiai Cannon. The game says Ki Blast Cannon Attack but this is actually a translation error, every previous Tenkaichi game said Kiai Cannon. The anime also refers it as Kiai Cannon so I use that instead.
Haha no worries man, at first vanishing is definitely hard, especially if you don’t know the timings and situations for it. Make sure you practise this in training mode and you’ll get it in no time! 😎
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
I personally use Classic because I’m used to Tenkaichi 3 controls. If you’re a new player I’d recommend trying Standard though as I heard it’s better for new mechanics. I provide inputs for both controller styles in my videos, so you can still follow along.
This games is awesome but I swear the shit I practice is not the same as in story fights. I can’t vanish with full key but the opponent with no fucking key can vanish? Is there a reason for this?
I haven’t actually played the story mode much so I can’t really comment on that. But you can actually vanish with no Ki. If your opponent attacks you with a vanishable attack, you can vanish it for “free” using no Ki one time as a defensive vanish. If this leads to a vanish chain then you’ll lose as this requires Ki. The story mode also does unrealistic buffs to the characters that last for really long times, online gameplay will be a lot different.
That timing is WAAY too quick for me, I’ve already accepted that I’m not going to be any good at the game, ill just go online mash and spam sparking attacks, if i go up against a player that knows what he’s doing then I’ll just accept defeat and search for a different opponent that i can mash on. It’s also fun when you don’t know what you’re doing and just accept defeat beforehand that way you won’t be disappointed in the end👍 plus this game’s completely unbalanced anyway.
I completely see your viewpoint of the game. This game is definitely really fun if you use things like Supers and Ultimates, really great visually. It can be fun to just go on autopilot pretty much. I played Tenkaichi 3 initially with the same mindset of spamming moves then I saw the amazing competitive side with all the cool new tech, ever since then I’m trying to constantly improve, but not everyone is the same and I completely understand that.
@@VuceFinity yea I don’t see myself being completely competitive in this game like some people, I don’t think there is that much to do besides fight other people and I do think I’m going to hop on everyday. I’ll save the competitive side of me for UFC 5😁
U did super counter with dpad up and square, i thought it had to be done with analog stick, can I chsnge this? Because i feel like dpad is going to be alot more accurate to time than analoge stick
I play Classic Controls which allow me to use DPad for movement too. I can use both analog and Dpad for the Super Counter input. I’m not entirely sure if you can change these on standard because I think you use that for Switching? There are customisation options in the settings but when I looked it seemed fairly limited (I want to change Switch to L1 but it forces me to use L3). In my experience and from other peoples recommendations they advise to use the DPad too for precise movements like the Super Counter, so I use that. I’ll get back to you to see if you change the controls on Standard. Analog stick is definitely not bad btw, I’ve done plenty of Super Counters by accident with it 😂
@@VuceFinity Cool yea let me know, since ive looked in the settings and I cant find a way to use Dpad other than classic controls, I hate using the analog stick for accurate timing stuff
Yeah unfortunately I had a look and you can’t, this games remapping sucks. Even if I wanted this, it won’t let me change my transformation inputs to use DPad. Not sure why they don’t allow for simple accessibility features like this in such a big game, maybe there’s a slight chance they can add some features in a patch but I’m not hoping for much.
Tbh in this game I feel like it’s less punishing to use analog because it looks like in this game it’s 1-2 frames for Super Counter instead of 1. The cool-down is very low too so you don’t really get punished for spamming it, pretty much anyone can pull one off if they do it long enough in a combo.
The game’s online servers are pretty good for a Bandai game, I know people that say it’s really smooth with wired connection. If you play on wireless you’ll have input delay which makes it harder to do it, if you can try to play wired then it’ll help.
What do you mean NPCs? If you mean the CPU then follow the timings in this video and practice it in training. You can set the CPU to use Vanishing moves so that its efficient
Yeah essentially if they don’t want this game to fall off they need to add vanish clash or adjust the timing for vanishes because right now its actually ridiculous 😂 either fights are boring af or just you getting vanish combo thrown around until you die its stupid
Yeah I agree, I hope they can patch the vanish timings or adjust it to Tenkaichi 3 mechanics. There was hardly any vanish chains on that game because the lower health you had, the fewer vanishing frames you had. It also consumed a lot more Ki so it didn’t run as long.
My whole strategy was run and gun then too lol. You actually had an advantage if you had less Ki in that game, the vanish chains just stopped and you resume. My only fear is that the majority of the player base think it looks cool so the devs won’t think of changing anything, when really it gets annoying for anyone that knows how the game works.
Lmaooo you must’ve been shocked when that happens haha. It’s like when Zamasu appears in the other timeline in the anime, the duo was too OP. I’m yet to play the story mode, I gotta try this out as I heard it’s kinda hard.
Sorry I’m too used to the Tenkaichi 3 Terminology. It’s a Rush Chain technique that’s actually now called Ki Blast Cannon Attack, but that sounds lame so I’m gonna call it Kiai Cannon 😎
Ok this explains a lot, i fought my brother he kept doing this and kept sayings hes hitting the block button so i kept hitting RB and nothing happened, so makes a lot more sense i gotta hit B
Sorry for the confusion but your brother may be right. I should’ve clarified that I’m playing on Classic controls which uses Circle as Guard. You need to click RB too if you’re playing on Standard and use the exact same timings as this video. If you click B, that’s your perception button which is a completely different defensive mechanic to guarding and vanishing. I recommend you go in the training mode and practising vanishing against the CPU using the same timings and RB.
There isn’t really any combos being shown here. Do you mean the vanishing chains? If you’re having trouble with that, it could be your connection as I’ve heard similar problems from other people.
@@VuceFinity it changes with other people. I also can't do follow up super attacks because I just keep doing combos instead, and at the end they recover before it lets me blast
I’ve got a solution to chaining Super Attacks. I’m currently making a video on it which explains it but I’ll quickly say it here. If you do a smash attack that sends the opponent away, don’t instantly click your Super input because it’ll do a Vanishing Attack. Delay it by half a second or 1 and then do it, it’ll work.
Yeah the tutorial doesn’t really cover in depth Tenkaichi mechanics that you learn from playing previous games. There’s still a lot of concepts I need to show, gotta grind the videos now!
I’m not sure how I didn’t. I say in the video that the input is your guard button (Circle/R1) and explain every single vanishable attack in the game. I also show the exact input timings to do each one, if there’s anything you don’t understand then let me know and I can help out.
Haha thank you man, I’m too used to the OG Tenkaichi games to switch. But for new players I would recommend trying standard as it’s better for some of the new mechanics.
I mention in the video several times to click your guard input, but I should’ve pointed out that it’s R1 on standard, apologises if that caused any confusion.
This game needs a vanish clash after about 5or six vanishes. getting into about 50 of these every game is getting stale.
I'm smart abt the way i vanish tho i only do it at the last vanish when they not waiting
@@diavoloxiv okay but if they do you're into another vanish spam.
It’s getting really annoying tbh, it’s just about who has the most Ki winning. In Tenkaichi 3 this was really rare because it’d use a lot more Ki and there was also a mechanic where if you have lower health, you have less frames to vanish.
It seems like in this game your health doesn’t matter leading to these infinite chains, hopefully the devs can sort something out in a patch.
Could you clarify, you mean you only vanish at the last second? I don’t think it makes a difference because once they see your vanish animation it’s easy to counter vanish into a chain.
Yeah regardless of your vanish timing, if they react then it’ll easily create another vanish chain.
Finally an in depth video talking about timing, with notations on screen! Instead of everyone just explaining what a vanish is like the tutorial already does
Thank you so much, I really appreciate you liking the effort in the vids! There’s not much point just recapping what the tutorial says, I always add extra stuff that the tutorial doesn’t show (there’s quite a lot of important things that I’m going to cover).
this is the creator i'll sub to. first one to ACTUALLY have an overlay on the screen while explaining. thank you!
Agreed
Thank you so much man, this comment really means a lot to me! I hope you can follow along with the timings really clearly because of it 🔥
Thank you bro for the kind words
holy shit finally a good guide to this ive been struggling with vanishes for a while now this helps so much
Thank you so much bro, I’m really glad you’re finding it so useful! More guides and tips coming soon! 🔥
I am loving both the videos and the reception to them! I'm glad the game's release seems to have really brought your content out in force!
Ayyy love to see the OGs out here showing love to the videos 🔥.
Yeah there was only so much I could do in terms of analysis with just trailers before, now I can really dive into mechanics and tips for the game to help people out!
I’ve got a lot of ideas it just takes time to make the videos but the grind will continue 🫡
@@VuceFinity Hopefully, these videos can help me in the future. The defensive systems of this game are actually a fucking bitch to master.
There should be an option for the vanish exchange to teleport infront of the opponent to neutral instead of it being strictly who has more ki
In Tenkaichi 3 if you ran out of Ki you would actually teleport behind them and the game would sorta stop for a moment and then resumes, there was no infinite chains basically.
I’m not sure why they removed it :/
Deserves the subscribe button, thanks for helping me out!
Thank you bro, I appreciate the support here! 🔥
Are you using standard or classic controls
Looks like classic.
I’m using Classic but I mention in the video to click your guard input to vanish. This is R1 on Standard, the timings are the exact same
@@VuceFinity okay thank you
This is will classic controls tho btw guys in case anyone gets a bit confused
I mention in the video several times to click your guard input, but I should’ve pointed out that it’s R1 on standard, apologises if that caused any confusion.
This was super useful - for some reason I'm struggling to vanish like I did in previous Budokais. So - to vanish, it's always "just" timing of using guard? And do you use any directional buttons or is it literally just "guard"? Lastly - does it consume Ki or any other gauge - it didn't seem to! Thanks!
Thank you for the comment, I’m glad you find it so useful! Just to clarify, you mean previous Budokai Tenkaichis and not Budokais right, they’re pretty different games?
Yes it’s strictly the timing of clicking your guard button, but it only works on vanishable attacks that I showed here.
You can use directional buttons with the guard button too, I’d actually recommend doing that.
If you hold forwards and guard then you will vanish behind your opponent then you can start combos on the back, which are better as the opponent has less defensive options.
The first vanish you do for any hit does not require Ki, it’s basically a free vanish. However if you get into consecutive vanishes aka a vanish chain, it consumes Ki, about half a bar which is half the size of BT3 vanishes so they’re much longer!
Hope that helps
is this classic or standard ?
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
What do the little green bar tabs
At the top of health mean ? I’m dying to know
Those are the amount of health bars you have so if you have 3 you have 3 bars green yellow red you’ll see the stronger characters having more which is why their health bar is like a blue
Good spot, I was going to mention this in my next video but I’ll quickly say it here. Each small bar represents a health bar and the long one is also a health bar.
Each health bar = 10K HP, so a Super that does 10k damage wipes one health bar.
E.g. MUI Goku has 4 small green bars and one long one, that’s 5 bars = 50k HP total.
Yep that’s pretty much the gist of it.
I was fighting one dude .. and everytime we used to chain z counters he literally canceled his and started to combo me from behind??! So this is possible but how did he do it I dunno , and he didnt do it once but everytime instead of hitting me from behind he teleported and started to just rush attack me .
You can’t cancel a Z Counter chain once it’s started until someone mistimes it, then you get smashed away. Are you sure you’re referring to the vanish chains here?
I think you might be referring to the offensive vanish. You can use rush attacks and then click your guard button and use your analog stick to vanish behind them mid combo, and carry on the attack.
Hi, sorry if I'm wrong. You said press guard to vanish but guard is the bumper button (r1 on ps, rb on xbox)?? But you're pressing O button which is the counter button??
I really want to get better at this
i think hes using a different button layout like classic or something.... he neglected to give that info for some reason
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
Yeah I’m using Classic and I should’ve mentioned this at the start, it honestly slipped my mind.
@@VuceFinity thank you. Great video, I'm subbed, help us noobs out some more
Hi. Finally a vido actually eyplaining mechanics. Can you do a video on defending after the lift strike? The tutotrial does not say anything, the explanation of control mentions two move under the same command, B (classic, xbox). It used to be guard that countered rush but lost against heavy and down that was vice versa. How does it work here? I cant find a way to practice it (btw how did you set the AI to do only one type of attack?)
Thanks for the support. I believe defense after the lift strike is the exact same as Tenkaichi 3.
If they do a Lift Strike into Rush Attacks (square melee hits), you can defend it by holding your guard button + Left Stick Forward (I’m pretty sure it’s forward and not down but I’ll double check this later). This’ll put you in your perception stance to counter instantly. This is for Classic controls btw.
If you’re on standard then just clicking your guard button should work.
If they do a heavy finish first and then combo, this usually wouldn’t work but I think Super Perception could actually work as it works against Rush Chains. I’ll try out these methods later and get back to you for 100%.
I don’t actually play the AI here, I had a friend kindly join me to help record for the video.
Thanks for the reply man. In BT3 it was up+circle against rush, and down+circle against heavy or throw. A nice mixup option.
SZ tutorial does not seem to explain this. In EoC it says midair perception after a lift stike is perception button, midair recovery is guard after a lift strike. (Althogh when you are on classic, for both it says B, EoC seem to be gltched with classic controls) So i dont know man. It does no even recognize it eith the name aerial combo like BT3 did.
There is a lift strike trainig option, but the AI rarely actually do it and even more rarely jumps after you so I could not practice it.
Sorry what do you mean by EoC? Yeah they removed the namings for some of the follow up combos and I don’t think there’s even any follows you can do on Ground Slash anymore.
Really weird decision imo.
Yeah I thought the training mode options at first were really cool but a lot of the times it doesn’t function properly or glitches.
Like the Counter mode doesn’t efficiently Super Counter to practice, even in BT3 there was a really good ZC practice with Super Buu, I’d spend time grinding that.
Game is fun but ranked is toxic af already soon as you get to.B tier Master roshi spams a beam attack thats unblockable not figuertaively but literally and theres yajirobe senzu span which is actually less annoying then master roshi some how these need to be fixed asap makes it almost unplayable
Damn the Master Roshi spam is more toxic than Yajirobe? From what I heard the Yajirobe Senzu Strat is extremely annoying because of how quickly it activates.
I haven’t fully gone into ranked yet as I’m trying to make guides and find tech in training, once I play the scum I’m sure I can find some counters for you guys 😮💨
This is a great video and all so it must be cause there is no reason that I have been trying to to figure out the timing for z vanish online since Saturday and then super counter is just annoying when your opponent can consistently do it but you can’t
Thanks for liking the video. The tutorial is lacking in terms of in depth vanishing so hopefully this gives you a clear idea.
Super Counter is a bit overpowered right now as there’s a low cool down, I’ll be making a guide to how to do these soon, stay tuned! 🔥
@@VuceFinity well actually i think i figured out the online vanishing this morning
This helps a lot!! Thanks bruh
Thank you so much for liking the video, it really means a lot that it’s useful to you guys! 🔥
Im confused. The entire time you're saying guard while your controller inputs do not reflect that
He’s using classic controls
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve mentioned that I’m on Classic controls at the start. I forgot that Circle on Standard is actually Perception, but the timings for the inputs are all the same.
K so Im using classic custom an have circle as my block - anyway how do I stop being a combo pinball to story ai😅?
Nice a fellow classic user! Haha I haven’t actually played the story mode but don’t worry as the story mode has unrealistic buffs to the AI that wouldn’t be in actual matches.
It’s more of a party mode kinda thing with the story.
@@VuceFinity hmm ok lol😅 also a friend was telling me I just need to time ❌ and ⏹
It should cost 1 bar like BT3. I also have mixed feelings about always needing more Ki than the opponent just to win. In BT3 if you run out of Ki, you can still vanish but don't get the follow up attack so you can string more rush attack combos. This change will take some getting used to
Initially I thought the half Ki bar change would be a good thing but I quickly regretted that now as they changed the vanish mechanics so much (health doesn’t impact it anymore).
Yeah needing more Ki just to win is really annoying too.
When you ran out of Ki in BT3 and got the vanish it actually rewarded you lol, it makes sense to make the person with the most Ki technically win the whole vanish but they should’ve kept the vanish difficulty the same.
That way the vanish wars would be minimal and actually skill based.
Did you remap your guard button to circle from r1? Or does r1 guard differently than cuticle? Because on Xbox the stock block is RB but B also does a guard thing too. It's like an auto guard or something? The guard controls are kind of confusing lol
B is perception, which is a counter
your probably using standard controls and not classic
im using classic and its o
I am using classic controls which is circle to guard for me. The standard controls is R1/RB to guard.
Your B button is the control for Perception which is another form of defense (auto counter). For me, Perception is Circle + Triangle but because you’re using standard it’s just B for you.
I recommend you go into the training mode quickly for defense as it shows you the basic inputs, but I will be making guides covering the other defense mechanics in depth.
Amazing tips thank you!
Thank you so much for watching, more content coming soon! 🔥
Can you not just us skill like a barrier to escape from the infinit vanish if you have less ki than your oppenent ?
You mean a defensive skill like Explosive Wave or Android Barrier? I don’t think it’ll work because you have to be in neutral stance to activate this and when you’re in a vanish chain you’re not in neutral until you win the chain.
What control settings are you using, normal, classic, or classic custom?
Sorry I should’ve clarified in the video I’m using Classic controls. The idea is the same though, you click your guard button which is R1 on Standard at the same timings to vanish.
It would help if you tell us which controls ur using
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
@@VuceFinity thanks bro
does this work the same way if i use R1 ??
Yes, I should’ve clarified at the start I’m using Classic so my guard input is Circle. On standard it’s R1 so it works the exact same way with the timings of the input
What setting do you put the bot on to practice the vanihsing?
This particular video I had a friend help out for the specific types of vanishable attacks.
You can put the bot to settings like Rush Chains, Smash Attack and Follow Up Attacks to practice more general ones.
If you scroll in the “Opponent Settings” in training mode it’ll say lots of options with descriptions to help.
What is the difference between R1 and circle?
I should’ve clarified I’m using Classic controls where my guard button is Circle. I mention to click your guard button in the video which is R1 on Standard (I’m assuming you play that).
Circle on Standard controls is the button for Perception which is another defensive mechanic in the game.
Flying kick might have a small window of vanish, since they bots always vanish my flying kicks lmao
It’s definitely not vanishable. You can Super Counter it though with precise timing of Up + Square.
@@VuceFinity Yeah probably not to us players but, bots do be vanishing it lol
I noticed this too but i wasn't sure if it was just the small hitbox
can you do ↑□ when you get into infinite vanishes?
Very good question, I’ve seen clips of this being done in offline mode (very hard timing).
Apparently in online gameplay its basically impossible to do because of the slight input delay from connections, I’m going to have to try experimenting with this more to find out fully.
Thanks. What’s the different from vanishing with R1 and O ?
It's R1 in Standard control scheme, O in Classic control scheme. The person in this video is using the Classic scheme, so it's O for them. In Standard controls, O does "Perception," which is a counter and works differently from the Vanishing technique.
@@DudeLongcouchso with the classic I have to hold 2 buttons at the same time?
@@SolidSL510 Yeah, with Classic, you must hold O + Triangle to do Perception. It's one of the reasons they changed the controls the way they did. If you're not accustomed to Classic controls already, I think it's better to go with Standard tbh.
Thanks for explaining this! You seem pretty knowledgeable about the controls. What options exist to dodge a ki blast like solar flare?? Thanks dude
@@Archon139 Well I am far from an expert, in fact I am pretty new to this series myself. We've already reached the limits of most of my knowledge lol. So take everything I say with a grain of salt. For solar flare specifically, I don't know if there's a way to dodge it, I think the point of it is that it can't be dodged? But for more normal projectile types, I think you do a dragon dash with left stick and X (or A on Xbox). And I think you can also counter them with Perception but it takes an action point? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Off topic, but curious why you say ki-i instead of just saying ki
Sorry I should’ve specified this, it’s actually Kiai Cannon. The game says Ki Blast Cannon Attack but this is actually a translation error, every previous Tenkaichi game said Kiai Cannon.
The anime also refers it as Kiai Cannon so I use that instead.
Almost uninstalled the game bc of this thank you
Haha no worries man, at first vanishing is definitely hard, especially if you don’t know the timings and situations for it.
Make sure you practise this in training mode and you’ll get it in no time! 😎
Is guard R1 on standard controls
Sorry about the confusion, I should’ve stated that I’m on Classic and I didn’t realise Circle on Standard is Perception. The timings of all these inputs are still the same though, click R1 at the same time.
Shit no wonder I couldn’t ever hit vanish had no idea you couldn’t do it on rush attacks
Yeah it’s a pretty simple thing but important to know, you can only do regular block on those.
@@VuceFinityhaha thanks bro I would have kept banging my head against a wall if I never seen ur vid
No worries man, the tutorial in the game is kinda ass imo. I’m gonna cover more fundamentals that aren’t explained properly in future videos too 🔥
Wait so you can go into training mode with a friend ?
Nah you can create a private battle lobby and send them the code. You don’t have any training setting options unfortunately.
Standard or classic comand?
I personally use Classic because I’m used to Tenkaichi 3 controls.
If you’re a new player I’d recommend trying Standard though as I heard it’s better for new mechanics.
I provide inputs for both controller styles in my videos, so you can still follow along.
This games is awesome but I swear the shit I practice is not the same as in story fights. I can’t vanish with full key but the opponent with no fucking key can vanish? Is there a reason for this?
I haven’t actually played the story mode much so I can’t really comment on that. But you can actually vanish with no Ki.
If your opponent attacks you with a vanishable attack, you can vanish it for “free” using no Ki one time as a defensive vanish. If this leads to a vanish chain then you’ll lose as this requires Ki.
The story mode also does unrealistic buffs to the characters that last for really long times, online gameplay will be a lot different.
That timing is WAAY too quick for me, I’ve already accepted that I’m not going to be any good at the game, ill just go online mash and spam sparking attacks, if i go up against a player that knows what he’s doing then I’ll just accept defeat and search for a different opponent that i can mash on. It’s also fun when you don’t know what you’re doing and just accept defeat beforehand that way you won’t be disappointed in the end👍 plus this game’s completely unbalanced anyway.
with a mindset like this you'll stuck being at the power level you are at
I completely see your viewpoint of the game. This game is definitely really fun if you use things like Supers and Ultimates, really great visually. It can be fun to just go on autopilot pretty much.
I played Tenkaichi 3 initially with the same mindset of spamming moves then I saw the amazing competitive side with all the cool new tech, ever since then I’m trying to constantly improve, but not everyone is the same and I completely understand that.
Some people just wanna play casually and that’s not really a problem, the game is fun if you just appreciate it visually for sure.
@@VuceFinity yea I don’t see myself being completely competitive in this game like some people, I don’t think there is that much to do besides fight other people and I do think I’m going to hop on everyday. I’ll save the competitive side of me for UFC 5😁
This game isn’t meant to be balanced lmao this isn’t fighterz
U did super counter with dpad up and square, i thought it had to be done with analog stick, can I chsnge this? Because i feel like dpad is going to be alot more accurate to time than analoge stick
I play Classic Controls which allow me to use DPad for movement too. I can use both analog and Dpad for the Super Counter input.
I’m not entirely sure if you can change these on standard because I think you use that for Switching?
There are customisation options in the settings but when I looked it seemed fairly limited (I want to change Switch to L1 but it forces me to use L3).
In my experience and from other peoples recommendations they advise to use the DPad too for precise movements like the Super Counter, so I use that. I’ll get back to you to see if you change the controls on Standard. Analog stick is definitely not bad btw, I’ve done plenty of Super Counters by accident with it 😂
@@VuceFinity Cool yea let me know, since ive looked in the settings and I cant find a way to use Dpad other than classic controls, I hate using the analog stick for accurate timing stuff
Yeah unfortunately I had a look and you can’t, this games remapping sucks. Even if I wanted this, it won’t let me change my transformation inputs to use DPad.
Not sure why they don’t allow for simple accessibility features like this in such a big game, maybe there’s a slight chance they can add some features in a patch but I’m not hoping for much.
@@VuceFinity yea was thinking the same, ah well i guess ill just spam analog and hope it sticks
Tbh in this game I feel like it’s less punishing to use analog because it looks like in this game it’s 1-2 frames for Super Counter instead of 1.
The cool-down is very low too so you don’t really get punished for spamming it, pretty much anyone can pull one off if they do it long enough in a combo.
I can do this consistently, but online it's not the same at all unfortunately.
The game’s online servers are pretty good for a Bandai game, I know people that say it’s really smooth with wired connection.
If you play on wireless you’ll have input delay which makes it harder to do it, if you can try to play wired then it’ll help.
Am I only only who can’t vanish npcs
What do you mean NPCs? If you mean the CPU then follow the timings in this video and practice it in training. You can set the CPU to use Vanishing moves so that its efficient
So when the enemy vanishes behind me and then uses regular square attacks how do I counter him?
Z counter
@@steezuschrist0999 can i z counter someone who is hitting my back
@@Iasonas6 no you need to use super counter
@@Iasonas6 yes
@@Iasonas6 be prepared for a vanish battle after you z counter tho
Yeah essentially if they don’t want this game to fall off they need to add vanish clash or adjust the timing for vanishes because right now its actually ridiculous 😂 either fights are boring af or just you getting vanish combo thrown around until you die its stupid
Yeah I agree, I hope they can patch the vanish timings or adjust it to Tenkaichi 3 mechanics.
There was hardly any vanish chains on that game because the lower health you had, the fewer vanishing frames you had. It also consumed a lot more Ki so it didn’t run as long.
@@VuceFinity yessss it was so much better like that because you couldn’t just near infinite vanish the whole fight lol
Or a vanish that goes back to neutral, like down + block you just vanish far away with more recovery so you can't use this to punish the opponent
My whole strategy was run and gun then too lol. You actually had an advantage if you had less Ki in that game, the vanish chains just stopped and you resume.
My only fear is that the majority of the player base think it looks cool so the devs won’t think of changing anything, when really it gets annoying for anyone that knows how the game works.
Yeah that’s a good alternative option too. Tbh I’d constantly use that as I hate having to constantly charge Ki just to move around in this game.
I only have a 10% success rate on counter and vanishes
You gotta practise them in the training mode bro, if you even do something like 15m a day you’ll drastically improve 💪
Online timing is dif its too hard
Do you play on wired connection? I’ve heard from some other people that you can have some input delay if you play wirelessly.
so I learned this, beat goku black and was left at nothing AND ZAMAZU FUCKING APPEARS WHAT THE HELL💀
Lmaooo you must’ve been shocked when that happens haha. It’s like when Zamasu appears in the other timeline in the anime, the duo was too OP.
I’m yet to play the story mode, I gotta try this out as I heard it’s kinda hard.
W video
Thank you bro, I appreciate the support! More tips coming soon 🔥
w vid
Thank you bro, I appreciate the support!
bro pls tutorial for the super counter
I’m going to make an in depth guide on them soon, stay tuned.
Bro giving ya the sauce pay attention
Haha thank you man, I’m trying to get you guys cooking online 🔥
Turns out i was pressing the wrong button
Are you on Standard or Classic Controls? If you are on Standard you need to click R1 instead of Circle to do these vanishes.
“Key eye cannon” ?
Its actually called Kiai Cannon, Kiai is when its a shockwave and not a ki blast its probably a translation error
Sorry I’m too used to the Tenkaichi 3 Terminology. It’s a Rush Chain technique that’s actually now called Ki Blast Cannon Attack, but that sounds lame so I’m gonna call it Kiai Cannon 😎
Yeah it was the correct naming in Tenkaichi 3, not sure why they changed Ground Slash to Grand Slash too (makes less sense).
goku black and zamasu alternate route is impossible
I haven’t played the story mode yet but I heard it’s quite difficult haha. Keep at it and you’ll complete them! 💪
@@VuceFinityThank you and I hope so 😁
Your profile picture brought back some memories haha. The realistic Buu and Frieza looked so creepy back in the day 😭
Huh, what a coincidence.
Hopefully this popped up at the right time for you to improve defense 💪
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At least tell us which controller setting you’re on little bro
he's using classic controls
Sorry about the confusion, I mentioned about clicking the guard input to vanish but I should’ve also said I’m on Classic.
Ok this explains a lot, i fought my brother he kept doing this and kept sayings hes hitting the block button so i kept hitting RB and nothing happened, so makes a lot more sense i gotta hit B
Sorry for the confusion but your brother may be right. I should’ve clarified that I’m playing on Classic controls which uses Circle as Guard. You need to click RB too if you’re playing on Standard and use the exact same timings as this video.
If you click B, that’s your perception button which is a completely different defensive mechanic to guarding and vanishing.
I recommend you go in the training mode and practising vanishing against the CPU using the same timings and RB.
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I avoid these combos online because this system is trash and it only works offline.
The online mechanics are completely different than online I swear
There isn’t really any combos being shown here. Do you mean the vanishing chains? If you’re having trouble with that, it could be your connection as I’ve heard similar problems from other people.
@@VuceFinity it changes with other people. I also can't do follow up super attacks because I just keep doing combos instead, and at the end they recover before it lets me blast
I’ve got a solution to chaining Super Attacks. I’m currently making a video on it which explains it but I’ll quickly say it here.
If you do a smash attack that sends the opponent away, don’t instantly click your Super input because it’ll do a Vanishing Attack. Delay it by half a second or 1 and then do it, it’ll work.
They def failed on the tutorial
They missed 80% what you can do
Yeah the tutorial doesn’t really cover in depth Tenkaichi mechanics that you learn from playing previous games. There’s still a lot of concepts I need to show, gotta grind the videos now!
I'm still undefeated by Vuce.
Those were warm up matches, the real fights will happen next. Ban MUI Goku 😡
You still didn’t give us a z counter explanation
What more do you need?
I’m not sure how I didn’t. I say in the video that the input is your guard button (Circle/R1) and explain every single vanishable attack in the game.
I also show the exact input timings to do each one, if there’s anything you don’t understand then let me know and I can help out.
Yeah I’m a bit confused, this is a pretty comprehensive guide to vanishing. Hopefully I’m not missing something that others can see.
He’s probably thinking about Super Counters
Yeah it’s easy to get the terms mixed up tbh
Classic ? Tasti
Haha thank you man, I’m too used to the OG Tenkaichi games to switch. But for new players I would recommend trying standard as it’s better for some of the new mechanics.
Fuck sake this guy is playing classic
Sorry about that but I do mention the general input to do this is your guard button, which is R1 on Classic. The timings are the exact same.
@@VuceFinity Fair play
guard is R1, not circle.
you must be using classic control. you better mention that
I mention in the video several times to click your guard input, but I should’ve pointed out that it’s R1 on standard, apologises if that caused any confusion.