My dream points update would be for skaven to be able to do horde mode. Plz just lower the speed, toughness, and or wounds of clanrats, but make them cheap enough to take. I thematically love skaven but it's so weird that in warcry you can basically only trend elite.
@@thesaltyseagames Hi Dan I have a question, I played ogres in the 1st edition, then unfortunately I had a long break, I was looking on the channel but unfortunately I didn't find the answer, on what models is the ogre team playing now?
Fascinating mission pack analysis. In general the mission selection feels very impactful, even if the usual suspects keep coming on top. Ironically, even though the fg2 missions seemed aimed at hurting soup, in practice they seem to be hurting list diversity with their pointing schemes. Look forward to a formal Salty take on them in the future.
Great video Salty! I really like the second version and f your tierlist. Do we also need a “With Blessings” tierlist and a “W/o Blessings” tierlist? I notice that the other major content creators - Off-Meta, Toast, and 3H1C - are all building with Blessings and it completely changes listbuilding IMHO. Personally I like the customization of Blessings but I don’t like playing with them bc of the hassle of tracking them in my opponent’s list
@@thesaltyseagames i would really appreciate if you explain this: tier B+ - who's there except for Ironjawz and Spire Tyrants? I can see 2 SC warbands, what's these? tier B- - who's there before Cities of Sigmar? tier D - Questor Soulsworn are there, right?
@@konstantin7415 the two SCE warbs were thunderstrike and Warrior chamber. Both have gotten a little worse since their best fighters were nerfed in the Metawatch pts update. B- that's Sybarites. Yes about QS in D. That tierlist works as a final snapshot pre-metawatch, but since so many points are different now, I'd say the current tiers are pretty different.
Lets say Ive only got Idoneth Deepkin models and I love IDK. I want to try out warcry and get a friend to play with me. is building another F-tier faction and using the two of them going to be fun? like idk vs cypher lords or something? or are the F-tier so non-function in warcry that they just arent fun to play, even against other bad factions?
I have no idea what is supposed to work in Horns to make them busted, got completely destroyed by Lizards - didn't help that my opponent rolled crits with every single attack though xD
If you want to win Warcry, all you gotta do is roll 6s With horns, it's that damn flamehurler triple. Torch anything really tough and torch any of their pals nearby 🙃
Skinkers, Kroxigors. They also have some units like Knights and the saurus leaders that don't suck but are quite difficult to use to their max effectiveness.
Sorry Dan, but the game needs a very thorough balance and dare I say, content pass. For the benefit (and detriment 😢) of your usual WarCry player, some factions need a models trim. Not an actual, physical model trim, but a reduction in the units that you can include in the army. Less scrolls to deal with, more time to create cohesive and fun lists. Helps the established tournament crowd too! Condensed sample sizes, easier to gather data. Just get the superfluous stuff out and keep the units that are easy to tweak, easy to include in lists and easy to understand the How to during play. The game's maturing, you and the other high end players now have your clubs and tournies, but it's time for this game to be just that more welcoming. Oh and to hell with exclusive 2 player starter sets with the exclusive minis. Too much bloat.
I agree. The game is becoming unapproachable for anyone new who wants to go to an event but doesn't have hours and hours available to prepare. Of course, this makes it just like every other GW game after a few years. My sense is there's a pretty hard reset coming in 14 months or so.
@@steveisaak4320 this was before the recent FAQ that cleaned things up a bit, but the issue is that a lot of the models used in competitive play are rare and hard to source, due to Underworlds. I think it's a lot better now, but we'll see how the meta shakes out.
Great analysis Dan!
I'm enjoying being the player with a Megaboss you gave a nod to, for winning against Mir Kainan at WHW 😂
My dream points update would be for skaven to be able to do horde mode. Plz just lower the speed, toughness, and or wounds of clanrats, but make them cheap enough to take. I thematically love skaven but it's so weird that in warcry you can basically only trend elite.
Yeah I like that Stormfiends and Rat Ogors are good, but I've never thought of those as the core of what Skaven is supposed to be about.
@@thesaltyseagames Hi Dan
I have a question, I played ogres in the 1st edition, then unfortunately I had a long break, I was looking on the channel but unfortunately I didn't find the answer, on what models is the ogre team playing now?
Fascinating mission pack analysis. In general the mission selection feels very impactful, even if the usual suspects keep coming on top. Ironically, even though the fg2 missions seemed aimed at hurting soup, in practice they seem to be hurting list diversity with their pointing schemes. Look forward to a formal Salty take on them in the future.
I feel like we should be selecting our warband after generating the mission objective
Idoneth Deepkin reaaally could use their own bespoke team. Would grab it in a heartbeat.
Same. I was surprised to see a faction of water elves and it wasn't Idoneth
@@thesaltyseagames One can hope the rumour engines showing what looks like coral and some aquatic tail is an upcoming Idoneth warband.
I've been gone from Warcry for over a year, its crazy to see Demons of Nurgle at the top of the meta haha.
Great video Salty! I really like the second version and f your tierlist. Do we also need a “With Blessings” tierlist and a “W/o Blessings” tierlist? I notice that the other major content creators - Off-Meta, Toast, and 3H1C - are all building with Blessings and it completely changes listbuilding IMHO. Personally I like the customization of Blessings but I don’t like playing with them bc of the hassle of tracking them in my opponent’s list
Is there any translation from miniatures in tier list to actual faction names? I can’t recognize every single one miniature 😅
I'll think about a way to make that easier. Is there any one in particular you're interested in?
@@thesaltyseagames i would really appreciate if you explain this:
tier B+ - who's there except for Ironjawz and Spire Tyrants? I can see 2 SC warbands, what's these?
tier B- - who's there before Cities of Sigmar?
tier D - Questor Soulsworn are there, right?
@@konstantin7415 the two SCE warbs were thunderstrike and Warrior chamber. Both have gotten a little worse since their best fighters were nerfed in the Metawatch pts update. B- that's Sybarites. Yes about QS in D. That tierlist works as a final snapshot pre-metawatch, but since so many points are different now, I'd say the current tiers are pretty different.
Frightful touch on nighthant is completely broken.
Lets say Ive only got Idoneth Deepkin models and I love IDK. I want to try out warcry and get a friend to play with me. is building another F-tier faction and using the two of them going to be fun? like idk vs cypher lords or something? or are the F-tier so non-function in warcry that they just arent fun to play, even against other bad factions?
I have no idea what is supposed to work in Horns to make them busted, got completely destroyed by Lizards - didn't help that my opponent rolled crits with every single attack though xD
If you want to win Warcry, all you gotta do is roll 6s
With horns, it's that damn flamehurler triple. Torch anything really tough and torch any of their pals nearby 🙃
With the right list they're mental. Basically leader, double flamehurlers, a pile of shatterers and a myrmidon/fomo is the most common one.
Nice! Thanks for info o/
How is KO gonna handle losing their primary gimmick?
I think the spear arko is crazy good, it's just nobody used them bc they require so much converting to get a bunch of them.
First! is that still a thing?? Agree that it would be really nice to se a points update, but seems we will have to wait some time for that still...
It is if you make it a thing.
Don't let your memes be dreams
So what are the trap seraphon units?
Skinkers, Kroxigors. They also have some units like Knights and the saurus leaders that don't suck but are quite difficult to use to their max effectiveness.
@@thesaltyseagames Thanks!
Hah! All the teams I have are C tier or lower 😅
Sorry Dan, but the game needs a very thorough balance and dare I say, content pass. For the benefit (and detriment 😢) of your usual WarCry player, some factions need a models trim. Not an actual, physical model trim, but a reduction in the units that you can include in the army. Less scrolls to deal with, more time to create cohesive and fun lists. Helps the established tournament crowd too! Condensed sample sizes, easier to gather data.
Just get the superfluous stuff out and keep the units that are easy to tweak, easy to include in lists and easy to understand the How to during play.
The game's maturing, you and the other high end players now have your clubs and tournies, but it's time for this game to be just that more welcoming.
Oh and to hell with exclusive 2 player starter sets with the exclusive minis. Too much bloat.
I agree. The game is becoming unapproachable for anyone new who wants to go to an event but doesn't have hours and hours available to prepare. Of course, this makes it just like every other GW game after a few years. My sense is there's a pretty hard reset coming in 14 months or so.
@@thesaltyseagameswhy do you say that?
@@steveisaak4320 this was before the recent FAQ that cleaned things up a bit, but the issue is that a lot of the models used in competitive play are rare and hard to source, due to Underworlds. I think it's a lot better now, but we'll see how the meta shakes out.