Alisa Childers, Kirk Cameron: The Deconstruction Movement is an ATTACK on Faith | TBN
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- Alisa Childers joins Kirk Cameron to examine the trend toward deconstructing Christianity. A closer look at the movement reveals that absolute truth has been discarded in this social-media driven ideology. Alisa breaks down what Christians need to be aware of regarding this topic and how to guard against this erosion of faith. Don't miss this informative interview on Takeaways with Kirk Cameron on TBN!
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0:00 - 00:11 Intro
00:12 - 03:51 Defining the Deconstruction Movement
03:52 - 04:57 The False Idea of "Toxic Theology"
04:58- 07:23 How Can Parents Detect Signs of Deconstruction?
07:24 - 08:57 Deconstruction and Culture
08:58 - 12:15 The Illogical Deconstruction Narrative
12:16 - 13:33 What is Driving People to Deconstruct?
13:34 - 16:05 What Can Pastors Do to Prepare Their Congregations on this Topic?
16:06 - 18:43 Reforming Faith and Seeking Truth
18:44 - 20:56 What Can Parents Do To Counter the Influence of Deconstruction - Розваги
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As a Sunday School teacher for many years, I found out if the teacher does not have a love for teaching children, when children become adults they look back on the adults in their lives as hypocrites. It starts in the home and in Sunday School. We as teachers parents need to love our children to the Lord!
the whole "hypocrites" accusation has become an excuse. Those who don't believe or who struggle with the message look for 100% perfection and are unwilling to accept that some Christians fail b/c they are baby Christians who haven't matured and easily fall prey to sin and may still have a worldly outlook. Mature Christians can even fail BIG TIME like King David did! And there are fake Christians in the church. Those who think themselves to be Christians, but really are not. So when outsiders look in, all they want to do is point out flaws rather than look at their OWN sinfulness. But true believers DO need to take their walk seriously, b/c scripture says we are reps of Christ and if we have a bad witness, it's cause for people to mock and scoff and not take the Gospel message seriously so as to perhaps be saved!
Those who were supposed to be teaching us in the church I grew up in were full of pedophiles. I turned away from God bc I thought that if this is what God is,I want no part of this.
Sadly, I spent years perpetuating pain and sin in my life. It took me a very long time to finally start listening to God as He kept pulling me back into His fold.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. - 1 John 2:19
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. - 1 John 2:19"
Be careful that you do not abuse this verse as many have not only abused this verse but also, Hebrews 10:25: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Sometimes people leave a church because despite what is preached from the pulpit, that church practices the exact opposite and is very toxic to members that come to a place of need.
While Paul instructed us to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, especially when we see that day approaching, there are times when the toxicity of the church, and one's calling into ministry, requires that we hold the church as a heathen and a publican - Matthew 18:17.
Matthew 18:15: Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17: And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
If the whole church follows the false doctrine of self sufficiency to such a degree that they refuse to help one that has come to a place of need and health debilitation, that church is not a church of Jesus Christ and there is nothing that one can do to address the false doctrine as one is not considered to be a leader, even when one is called into full time ministry. As a result, neither 1 John 2:19, nor Hebrews 10:25 apply.
There is one benefit of people harping on these verses though.
Anyone that holds to it so sternly as to imply that there are no excuses, you know that you don't want to be assembling with that Jesus hater and the church may very well be toxic.
When Jesus gave us the new commandment to "love one another even as I have loved you", He was not talking about having sentimental feelings for one another. He was talking about having each others backs.
right on!
O. They were genuine Christians. And changed.
It's so easy any time someone leaves your group just to be like "Ah they were never a TRUE member of the group anyway! Bah!" That way you don't have to think about what might be wrong with your group :)
Right! They were evil, evil, bad people. Bad people who are a threat to ‘us’. Booooooo, bad, evil people. Hooray for Alisha for showing us this! God bless!
Unfortunately, there are churches that attempt to control you through fear. The IFB movement does this. I was born into this movement. Thankfully, the Jesus Movement captured me (thank your dad for me, Alisa!), then Jesus captured my heart!
So you bear no responsibility for your lack of love for God? It was all them?
What are you referring to @normawalters4494?
This is the “my truth” philosophy. This isn’t new. This is the lie the serpent told to Eve in the garden.
Exactly so! Our adversary loves to confuse us with his lies.
If you detour from the Holy Bible and Jesus, then it's a lie. It is just that simple!!❤❤❤
Not as simple as it seems! Deception offers enough truth to make it sound Biblical/scriptural. And if it's coming from someone in Authority...a pastor or charismatic teacher, a person wants to believe them. When I was a baby Christian, the church was told by the pastor that you have to love yourself before you can love others...putting a spin on Matt 23:39. There was also a lot of psychology in the church at the time using scripture to back up what humanistic psychologists said. When folks do not know the Word...either they don't read it or are new Christians and haven't had time to get anchored, they can easily fall prey. They are not even aware that they are off course.
Kirk Cameron happy your back!! Funny how it seemed you disappeared. Who controls the main media?! I was late teens going to college and thanks, Kirk. I remember reading a teen magazine and, you were so inspiring and hopeful, just sharing your thoughts....Ideals..You used your fame as a teen to help others...I thought you'd become a doctor... You were different than, most, thank you for being you....
A very important 👏 discussion. ❤
Thank You ❤🎉
Good stuff.
Thanks for all the great videos! The Body of Christ needs to be aware of all the tactics of the enemy, and edify each other.
If you’re not allowed to ask if Scripture SHOULD be considered the objective standard of all truth then I don’t know what the point is. At that point the most difficult decision to make is choosing a denomination.
That's literally what she said she did herself. Deconstruction isn't about finding objective standards though, its about establishing moral relativism.
@@phillipmartin5929 same game wrapped up in a new package. The enemy is always trying to lead people astray.
I’ve watched around 30-40 deconstruction videos. The thing that I don’t like is it seems to be a little bit of a grift, because it is turning your back on Christianity which leads to slamming Christians themselves. Then your new “friends” encourage you and you get to build a new YT channel!!! It’s wonderful 😊
What a fighter! She won the first bout against no opponent and a ref who was on her side, and now she's back for more.
😂
She will not debate anyone ever. She only speaks into the echo chamber.
The idea that people who have deconstructed never had trust in Jesus is false. You don't get to assume someone else's feelings and beliefs because it strengthens your world view. I was as in as I could have been for 30 years. You can't rewrite my history
She is incredibly ignorant, so don’t listen to anything she says. She has no academic credentials and her only research is social media. Pathetic.
If you trusted Christ, what did He do to lose your trust?
I really don't think it's that complicated. I think people are just frankly disillusioned with Evangelical Christianity and all of its rhetoric and phoney certainty and are just questioning their beliefs and going in different directions. There's nothing to fear about it nobody really buys the threats of Hell anymore or missing the rapture and they just want a healthier belief system.
Well, if you’re looking for the ultimate tan, Hell’s hot enough! Look, either believe or don’t believe. We’ll find out in the end what’s true or false.
@@user-jj4dz6tr1t You just proved my point.
Just ask yourself why is your belief system completely fear-based?? You just proved the point.
@@sauder1971
It’s not about fear but it’s about truth. Ultimately you don’t control how you came to this world where the Glory of God is revealed to you with every breath you take. But you have a choice to choose heaven or hell. Deep down you know that these are the only choices because evil is real and justice will ultimately prevail. It’s a delusion to think that there is love, goodness, life outside the Lord. He demonstrated it’s love by creating this world for you to enjoy, die on the cross so that you can be saved. There is no purpose in this life outside the Creator because without him, there is none.
In other words idolatry. That’s nothing new, read the Old Testament. The thing is, it never works out as you will discover at some point, hopefully before it’s too late.
Read the Bible that’s where the truth is!
it is the parable of the soils (misnamed parable of the sower) manifesting itself..
Deconstruction sounds like it has been around forever.
If we think of it as a building, then we can think of deconstruction as a euphemism for demolition and the opposite would be renovation.
I believe the Bible to be true from cover to cover. I am seeing many churches “picking and choosing” parts of the Bible to believe. I chose to stick to the Bible, the true word of God.
There certainly is a picking and choosing.
They pick those parts of scripture that require you to give to them.
They reject those parts of scripture that require them to give to you should you come to a place of need.
If the church you are attending does not have a benevolence program that at least helps members of the church in a time of need, the church is not a Biblical church.
Even our adversary knows Scripture inside and out. When churches pick and choose parts of Scripture to fit their lifestyle, that's where ppl continue to listen to the serpent's lies.
Sadly many, way to many people will not get this. The Lord has given people over to a debased mind. We, believers have a very difficult job in trying to share the gospel especially to a group of people. It's much better to share one on one. One of my favorite lines in a movie was from MEN IN BLACK, said by Tommy Lee Jones he said, answering the question from Will Smith who asked why don't we tell the world that aliens are living among them they're smart enough and Tommy said A person is smart but people as a whole a dumb, stupid animals. In other words ..get a mob together and one person can cause violence simply by yelling something hateful. James warns us the the tongue has the power of life and death and most people these days are exactly like sheep and most are following an evil Shepard ✝️❤️🤟🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥💪🏼
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. The scriptures make it clear, that we should not follow feelings, but rather,- the just shall live by faith!
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. The scriptures make it clear, that we should not follow feelings, but rather,- the just shall live by faith!"
There is a trap in the words you speak.
The Pastor teaches that you are to "take a step of faith".
You take a step of faith and nothing goes as you expected it to go.
The Pastor that told you to take a step of faith, now rejects both your faith and your calling because your step of faith did not bring about what was expected.
Where the Pastor preaches "give and it shall be given", he now practices; "there is no free money".
Where the Pastor preaches "you have to be a part of something bigger than yourself"; when he sees you in trouble he now practices; every man for himself.
Where the Pastor preaches; "Do God's will and you will be blessed", he now practices; "You're not supposed to be trying to make money, you're supposed to just do it for Jesus"
Where the Pastor preaches; "Job's trials were the direct result of God bragging on him", he now practices; "You're troubles are the result of you not taking responsibility for your actions."
Where the Pastor preaches; "God provides for the work of the ministry through the tithes and offerings of those not called into full time ministry", he now practices; "You're not supposed to count on man, your supposed to trust God".
Where the Pastor preaches; "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together", he now practices, forsaking you while you are yet assembling with them.
Where the Pastor preaches; "You must be faithful", he now practices; "Deserting you in a time of need".
Where the Pastor preaches; "Love one another even as I have loved you", he now practices; "If a man does not work, neither shall he eat" and has no problem allowing an able bodied man to go from being able bodied, to disabled for want of food.
All of these examples of hypocrisy I have personally experienced from Pastors and confessing "Christians".
In my experience, most Pastors teach a "faith" that is not biblical and a trap to those that give Pastors the benefit of the doubt.
@@scotttovey I hear you, there are a lot of people that live as the examples you gave. Very hypocritical.
As christians, we are servants of The Lord. Man has fallen short of the glory of God, this is why we must put our faith in The Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only way to The Father. The scriptures say, "draw nigh unto God, and God will draw nigh unto you." When we personally seek Him, He does guide us into all truth by His Spirit. We love and worship Him because He is God, and no one can change that. Our feelings or situations don't dictate who He is, and can never take away from His glory. The scriptures say we were created for His glory and good pleasure. He does all things according the the council of His own will.
This is why we must always live by faith, because without Him there is absolutely nothing. We are nothing without Him. I humble myself before Him every moment of everyday because I know who He is, and I know who I am. He is everything, and I am nothing. But because of His great love and mercy I am now become the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. And my entire being overflows will gratitude to Him.
So friend I hope that you will call upon the Lord with a pure heart, genuinely seeking truth
In Scripture, the modern term 'deconstruction' is called unbelief.
Oftentimes when we examine our beliefs we re-examine our faith and balance what we believe with what we experience. So much of our 'modern day' evaluation echoes of Marx's Abolition of the Family. But there is nothing modern about Marx. Marx's theories echo of the rebellion that took place back in the Garden of Eden. The Apostle Paul says, "Question all things. Balance the things untouchable - hold unto the Holy."
You have to tempt them in every way without letting them know. For example, Jesus tempted the devil to crucify Him. But if the devil knew killing Jesus would result in our freedom from sin, the devil would have never crucified Christ. This is why Jesus told His Apostles not to tell untill AFTER He was crucified. ❤
We love you Kirk and Alisa very much and all who have a ''platform'' and are willing to take ''the Truth'' to the enemy's doorstep in this day of confusion! I'm 60, married late in life, have a wonerful godly wife and three kids (16, 12 & 10) two of which attend charter schools. We are certainly at war with the devil who Jesus said was the ''deceiver'' and ''father of lies''. Grooming on every level is rampant and common sense is a thing of the past! I am constantly reminding them that there is a ''normal'' and still ''right and wrong''. I believe it will get worse before the rapture but we have to shine brigher and brighter! Y'all are in my prayers daily! John 6:60-69
Dear Everyone, I wanna say thank you for doing what you do here, I believe it to be amazing. Kirk, Alisa, Sean, Francis. I listen to The Bible Project podcast, and the song they have is friend of Jon Collins named Brian (Which I believe is really fun music "TENTS Band." Though it's not in their music, but pray for this person.). who HAS "deconstructed". Although they're not like the other internet deconstructionists, they definitely are searching for more. Pray for them.
I agree with Alisha; these are bad, bad, bad, terrible people. We all should be terribly worried about this because who knows when this evil will enter our very homes! Please send money!
'toxic' aside, but still, aren't the ideas like 'you are a sinner and you need a savior' sound somewhat cult-like?
If faith is active trust, then not every expression of faith determines that the object is a religion. If we trust cars will start, and houses will not collapse, that does not mean this is religious. I have heard many say that atheism is a religion, a terrible acknowledgement for any Christian to say. There is a transcendent aspect of all religious faith, even false ones; however, there are many expressions of belief that have nothing to do with 'entrusting' in any transcendent religious aspect. Just because someone believes something does not make it a religion. All religion requires faith, but not all faith expressed is necessarily a religion.
Yes but whatever is number one in your life is your god.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the first three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
We are witnessing the parable of the sower.
People that buy into the "deconstruction" theology are seeds that have rooted in infurtile soil.
But there is still hope if we pray for them. God can replant that seed in furtile soil and they can grow to maturity.
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Pray. We can spread the seed but God causes the growth.
The deconstructionists travel by plane on some basis of trust in folk they have never met and on physical principles they don't understand and on structures they could not construct ..
Power is needed, genuine and raw manifestation of the gift of spirit…someone that deconstructs wouldn’t do so if you reveal the secrets of his heart by word of knowledge…deconstruction is a consequence of the powerlessness of some churches in the west, too much talking, too much theology.
Theologians and especially apologetics shun and criticize the ministers of GOD that manifest power, because many are cessationists…there has to be a balance between the doctrine and the manifestation of the raw power of the Holy Ghost!
Are you Greek Orthodox
I am in a faith crisis. I want TRUTH! The Scriptures? How the hell do we know what we read in that Bible IS God-breathed Scripture? We're being told 2 Peter, and some of the books written by Paul were forgeries. Contradictions in the Gospels. Polycarp, a disciple of John, quotes from Tobit as Scripture. Many early church fathers believed the book of Enoch was Scripture, and Jude quotes from this book as well. We know Enoch was pseudepigrapha. If Scripture is breathed by God's Spirit, why did Jude, under inspiration of the Spirit, quote mistakenly from this as though it WAS Scripture?
Every man given a measure of the Spirit….the Spirit will lead you in to all truth…..I will never leave you or forsake you…..God bless
Why are you on tbn? Everything I’ve seen you do a video against tbn supports.
This is another of those modern, stupid, terms: "deconstructing" my foot. You either stand with my Lord or you don't. He once said, "Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do the things which I say?" If you are not going to obey Him then don't call Him Lord. Teach your children in the admonition of the Lord and they will not be fooled or depart from Him.
Bruce Howard, MG
I, as an exchristain , haven't fell for any seeker sensitive doctrine, nor hard-line doctrine: i was, what many christians would qualify as biblically balanced. I find that Christians want you to reexamine within the bounds of the very thing we doubt: they want you to examine with the bible-box, the bible is the thing that we questioned. They want us to assume its true before examining if it is true and comports with reality, Which taints the investigation.
Some start with the Bible and others starts with nature, and even consciousness. For example, how can one interpret or understand the Bible at all without a mind? So mind is the starting point.
God has been shown to be deduced from logic alone, if one would believe each deducted step.
I would say you were a nominal Christian at best. True believers do not “de-convert”. You were a never was who thought you were. That’s why you are where you are.
Have you looked into Greek Orthodox
@@annb9029 People wonder why people go from Christian to Atheist instead a different variation of Christian faith or another religion, but its because they all have the same issue foundationally.
Orthodoxy and evangelical churches are not similar but have a good day I can respect a true atheist like Richard Dawkins but sone of these kids are saying their atheist in rebellion like dying their hair blue not for real science reasons I’m glad I can have science and reason in Orthodoxy I read Summa Theologiae by Thomas Aquinas it does not have to be either or
We should teach how to deconstruct wokism.
What does "woke" mean. I still don't understand.
@@LindeeLoveover the top political correct pandering
@@aaronharlow2137 How do you measure over the top?
@@LindeeLove when it's so obvious they're trying too hard to appeal to a demographic. The efforts are so obviously phony
@@aaronharlow2137 Being obvious sounds pretty subjective. But thanks, wokism basically means politically correct. Makes sense.
This also shows the horrible state of our educational system right now. So many young people do not understand how to think logically. So if they have a teacher that says evolution is fact, the student doesn't bother to discern the flaws in the evolutionary model. The same is true when dealing with preaching. If a false teacher/preacher is misinterpreting a Biblical passage, people are just taking his word for it that it is true. The are not doing the logical thinking and research necessary to see if it is true or false. It is very difficult to talk to someone who doesn't understand logical thought.
In this day and age we have Bibles and the internet and you tube. Those who call themselves by the name of Christ have a responsibility to read and study their Bibles so they can know if there is false teaching. Mature Christians also need to call out false teaching not just by pointing fingers and yelling (or posting a You Tube) but to explain WHY the teaching is false and then sharing the Truth. Hopefully to bring fellow believers out from under deception. The pastor cannot do it all! Use your spiritual gifts!
This post is hilarious. Anyone who follows logic and reason will eventually reject your religion. You are concerned that students will be unable to "discern the flaws in the evolutionary model" (tell us what those flaws are, oh wise one) but you don't realize that students are successfully discerning the massive and unanswerable flaws in the Christian model. A person who uses logic is apt to question whether a donkey could have spoken to Balaam, or whether Moses could have turned a staff into a snake and then turned it back into a staff, don't you think? Then there are the flaws in Christian "morality", such as the wisdom of stoning a child to death for being rebellious or God sending bears to rip 42 children to shreds for the crime of teasing Elisha about his baldness. How about Jephthah burning his daughter to death because he made a deal with God for a military victory? Thinking logically is a good idea but it doesn't lead where you think it leads.
@@williamgreenfield9991 There is no observable scientific evidence that supports evolution. There is no scientific evidence that disproves anything in the Bible when taken in proper context. Go listen to Answers In Genesis to get the truth concerning evolution and the "supposed" issues with the Bible.
@@user-cf7zi3ec6i Thanks for the laughs. Evolution is a scientific fact backed by oodles of evidence. The Bible was written by ignorant barbarians who had no knowledge of science. Answers in Genesis is a joke, and they have ZERO credibility. "Supposed issues"? I notice you failed to address any of the "issues" I raised. How about the "issue" of the sun stopping in the sky for the better part of a day so Joshua could finish slaughtering his enemies? That would mean the Earth just magically stopped turning for a while. Are you seriously going to claim that there is any sort of "context" that would make that possible? And speaking of Joshua, archaeology has proven that Jericho was in ruins about 300 years before Joshua showed up, and if you think blowing a horn would knock down stone walls, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You even pretending to use "logic" makes me want to throw up.
There is enormous evidence for evolution.
Just actually read some.
For example ydna haplogroup tree are evidence of 200k years of human evolution and the impossibility of a literal historical adam or Noah within that time period.
Deconstruction is wrestling with God with no intention of tapping out
I didn't intend it, but He won anyway. Oh, btw - so did I. I won by losing.
Good grief. At the 1:32 mark. What kind of objective standard is scripture given that, from the beginning of the faith, Christians have often been at war with each other over who is the true Christian and who is the false Christian. And so often in these arguments, how different believers interpret the bible is the cause of the conflict.
As for deconstruction being about self? How many Christians would worship the God they believe exists, if in their beliefs there was no heaven to be gained at the end?
In reality, deconstruction seems to be mostly about people coming to doubt what they had been told was the absolute truth. As a result they abandon it for ideas that make more sense to them. Christians themselves often do the same kind of thing, but within Christianity. As an example, a convicted Calvinist and become a convicted Arminian and vice versa.
Yes Alisa, maybe "being told your a sinner is abusive" if they only way to fix it is to worship the thing that designed you that way....
Interesting take…except Christianity doesn’t claim God made you a sinner.
@@jjmonty8090 well who is responsible for creating us? Somehow creating us sin free was impossible for an all powerful creator? Oh yeah, Eve ate the fruit, her fault!
@@spc167 I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic or having an epiphany, so I’ll respond carefully.
If you are going to quote the Biblical narrative, I think it only fair to say what the text says. The text does in fact place sin in the hands of Adam and Eve.
@@jjmonty8090 Yes I was being sarcastic, I know the story. You said, Christianity doesn't claim God made us sinners. God created Adam and Eve. God created the fruit tree. God created the serpent. If God is all powerful and all knowing, he knew exactly what he was doing and what would happen. Responsibility flows uphill to the creator. God is responsible for sin, no question. My point is calling people sinners is a fear tactic to control people. It is abusive, and Alisa to denying the psychology of the narrative everyone knows.
@@spc167 Your argument is a non sequitur argument, which if not familiar, means that the conclusion doesn't follow the logical pathway. For example, if I put a cookie on the counter and tell my kids not to eat it and they do, it doesn't mean that I am responsible for their eating of the cookie. You might be able to argue that I am mean for putting the cookie there and keeping it from them, but I am not responsible for the eating of the cookie. If what you mean by responsible is that God allowed it, then I agree with you. He did allow it. We can keep talking about that if you like, but can I ask a few questions of you?
Do you believe in God? Do you believe in sin?
As to you last point, I think that calling people "sinners" CAN be abusive if the intent is to control others by pretending you are not battling against sin yourself, albeit in varying degrees (stealing a cookie vs Holocaust) and then manipulating those "sinners". It is not abusive if one is stating what one believes the Bible states about the condition of all mankind, that is in a sinful state in need of cleaning up by God's free gift.
"Mindshift" and "Jesus Never Existed" You Tube channels shows you how it's done.
I was raised a Catholic 50 years ago and I know all about faith.
You can be non Christian but there was a historical Jesus I had questions but read Summa Theologiae by Thomas Aquinas
Deconstruction is not a movement or a belief system. It is a personal journey of examing your own faith and beliefs. It comes from personal doubt. It does not come from post modernism or tik tok. People who deconstruct end up in different places. Some remain in Christianity, some follow a different religion, some become agnostic, some become atheists. Some ,like myself retain a belief in God but no longer follow a specific religion. I was a Christian for 30 years. My journey into and out of the Christian faith was my own. I don't speak for any other person who has deconstructed and I have no desire to change what any one else believes.
So what do you do now as a Christian?
If it's read the bible, what version?
Do you listen to any specific speakers or theologians?
Ultimately people end up, most likely, where they started.
Me? Catholic. And a world tour back. I might of hit a cult along the way. Lol
Catholics are lucky to have Bishop Barron (for those with intellect) and Father Mike Schmitz (for those that want to practically follow the faith).
I’d disagree, respectfully. It does seem like it is trending to take whatever beliefs one has and tip them on their head. It’s happening with not only Christianity, but also gender, truth, etc.
As for changing what everyone else believes, that works as long as the remnants of good and truth remain. When civilization starts to crumble, as it is crumbling, then it does matter what we all believe.
The term 'deconstruction' comes from postmodern philosophy. In Scripture it's called unbelief. It is a rejection of God.
@@user-hz5rk5vy1t well I no longer follow any religion, or their writings or their theologians. However I have seen God work in my life and still believe in his existence.
@@jjmonty8090 it's a process of examining your own beliefs which doesn't necessarily mean rejecting all of them. People who are following a trend are probably not actually going through the process.
Romans 12;1-6
I know this and yet I am struggling with having been ostracized now for 7 years from my children and grandchildren. I now Pray that I am given perseverance and strength with out any bitterness, please join me!
Kirk, we really enjoy watching you. But could you please stop interrupting your guests. It's hard to follow when you do that. Thank you. ☺️
He is.
Actually adding to and clarifying statements statements , he is not interrupting
Maybe they just don't like the side of hypocrisy maybe they don't like the way you treat their friends or maybe they're that way and they don't like the way you treat them maybe you've hurt them maybe the church has been a part of that trauma and maybe you cannot repent maybe the pride that you have in your heart Kirk is the opposite pride that LGBT children of God feel. We're praying for you all here in Texas. We need to set good role models and give everybody a healthy identity everybody. We are all children of God are we are not. 🙏😇🏳️🌈
If your so sure why do you need 24 7 affirmation from people you don’t nor agree with there a Episcopal church with your name on it you don’t have to go to church with Kirk problem solved
I like Kirk,but he shouldn't be on TBN.
He is on TBN
Why do the people of the world fight against the church. It's because Satan is the ruler of the lost world.
How can you go away from scripture? The scripture is a manual for daily living.
Yeah, like where to buy your slaves from.
Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia are one of oldest Christian on earth they have the oldest bible on earth if you don’t know Orthodoxy you don’t know Christianity
@@annb9029 ummmm...okay
The Ethiopian Bible is the Oldest and Most Complete on Earth -Recent radiocarbon dating analysis dated Garima 2 as originating from 390-570, and Garima 1 from 530-660. This makes the Garima gospels the oldest and most complete illuminated Christian manuscripts in the world.
5km away from Adwa, in the Mehakelegnaw Zone of the northern Tigray Region in Ethiopia, lies the Abba Garima Monastery, an Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Established in the 6th Century by one of the Nine Saints, Abba Garima, and built by King Gabra Masqal, the monastery is home to the two ancient Ethiopic gospel books: Garima 1 and Garima 2.
@@annb9029 Thanks annb
Heaven is where you are and the only place that you can ever be, yet Hell is the place that you insist on experiencing by entertaining a mortal life separate and apart from God.
We cannot glorify the Father, and glorify the flesh, or the sense of a personal Me separate and apart from God(including the flesh of jesus). Our Consciousness can not be divided in this. Either God is or God isn't the Only Life.
To know thy true self one must become disillusioned to the false sense of a mortal me separate and apart from God entertained as reality....
Where Everything Appears to be, Only the Immortal, Perfect, Peaceful, Constantly New and Fresh Spirit of God(Pure Consciousness)is....
The Realized Christ of Jesus, Buddha and Krishna(among many others) Imparted to the world of man that to the Degree in which we can walk through the mortal appearances of the valley of the shadow of death(unreality) and not be disturbed by them is the Path of the Realized Christ(Spiritual Illumination)....
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE!!
What if I told you that I could prove through scripture that hell has already been destroyed? You most likely would immediately call me a heretic and try to demoralize me by trying to use scripture against me instead of letting me show truth through scripture. *_I sense fear in you, Alisa. Fear of losing the control that Futurists typically love to have over people that gullibly believe what they are told about the Bible instead of seeking biblical truth themselves._*
Heaven is where you are and the only place that you can ever be, yet Hell is the place that you insist on experiencing by entertaining a mortal life separate and apart from God....
The massive wall we have built shielding us from our truth lies in intellectual concepts known as the Graven Images of Mortality experienced through the senses(including all religious beliefs). What is of God Consciousness is Infinite, and what is not of God is an Appearance of a False Image where Only God is....
He who Realizes his Life is the Spirit of God has Eternal Life! He then walks through the mortal appearance a Divine Being, in who the 5 Senses of Mortal Lies have been Impersonalized, therefore hold no power over him. His fidelity is to the Immortal Spirit he is, and no longer to the mortal illusion of life not of God....
We Must OVERCOME the Belief that we are not Immortal, Divine Being!
Why is Kirk given any credibility any more he agrees with the chosen?
Almost sounds like a cultish movement
she's nailed the heart of deconstruction, here: it's about "me", and how i choose to look at everything, especially God/reality (while still professing to follow God)...and it's rarely "private" with them...
Have you read Summa Theologiae by Thomas Aquinas
Well Alicia I don't think I can listen to you I don't think I can believe a word you're saying you didn't know what you were talking about before do you know how many people you affected by putting out misinformation now you're coming back and trying to put out more information I forgive you but I don't believe a damn word you're saying
Can you explain that, please?
What was the misinformation?
Amen, sister! Alisha makes her living by polarizing issues, demonizing anyone who does not agree with her, and promoting fights and battles in local churches to get rid of what she calls the ‘wolves’, which she fear mongers about, and strips of any integrity, because they believe things differently than she does. Bad, bad, bad, - evil people, who, as she says are shallow and ‘real’ Christian in the first place. Booooooooo, boooooo, evil, evil people who are infiltrating ‘our’ church!
Is all of your “research” just doom scrolling on instagram? You sound like you’ve never talked to a person who’s deconstructing.
"just doom scrolling on instagram"
Doom scrolling is a good one.
As the text scrolls by leading you to certain doom, you scream;
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Not at a public computer of course, because everyone in the room will look at you like you done lost your mind.
😂🤣😂
Deconstructing from the teachings TBN has spouted over the decades has been the greatest and healthiest thing I’ve ever done for myself. TBN should be ashamed of themselves for all the spiritual damage inflicted on people over the years. I have an idea how about TBN does a show called deconstructing decades of false doctrine and lies we’ve preached over the years then give back the millions they’ve profited from said lies. I’m done with Protestantism.
Are you now Greek Othodox
Hot stuff🔥
Evangelicals are OBSESSED with the wrath and damnation of Penal Substitutionary Atonement, but that doctrine is spiritually abusive. Governance Theory covers the same truths without the toxic and abusive language because it correctly unpacks what the Scripture means when using the terms "wrath" and "punishment." God's "wrath" is not his heart condition toward us, but his passionate love for us aimed at the sin that harms us - for OUR sake, not the same of the law itself. Likewise, the "punishment" is not God's heart condition toward us, but the just result of the law, which we are unable to keep perfectly. Therefore, the Father gave His only-begotten Son to deal with the sin problem and allow the holiness of God to not be undermined by God's mercy in allowing the trade between out sin and Christ's righteousness, imputed to our account by faith so we are given the status of right-standing before the heavenly court.
WE DO NOT NEED PENAL SUBSTITUTION.
Are you Greek Orthodox
@@annb9029 no
Amen!