favorite part of L4D2: Karmacharger. lemme set the scene for you. you're playing multiplayer with friends, you get to that point in almost every campaign where you have to activate something like a lift or whatever to clear the way, and then run like hell before the Horde overwhelms you. at this point, your "Friend" decideds to be the douchebag character from every zombie film, and shotguns you, leaving you on the ground as a diversion for the skullchewing undead while he books it. he starts to run off and before you can even finish cursing his name, charger comes out of nowhere and slams that asshole with a quickness, as if the AI saw his BS and delivered justice on your behalf. this happened EVERY time my dick friend did this. betrayal swiftly followed by charger. EVERY TIME. KARMA-CHARGER
It's even better because in a wide open area, Chargers are easy to avoid if you can see/hear them coming. In a narrow corridor, though, like most of those running sections, he's almost impossible to avoid.
hahah oh gawd since I know people who crack cheesy jokes all the time, I read it in the same tone I would normally hear it in and that in itself made me laugh
I like Ellis. But when it's like 10 jockeys 10 tanks and 10 chargers "Hey have I ever tell you about Keith and I went on a" coach,Rochelle,Nick: It ain't time for this Ellis
I was playing as Ellis, and he started telling one of his stories. Problem was, I got pinned by a Charger, and so Ellis was being smashed into the ground but he literally just kept telling the story
Ellis is my favorite for the sole reason of his stereotyipcal southern style, the cap, the accent, his buddy Keith and that one mission when you take the NASCAR racecar
L4D is quite a bit different from L4D2... not only how the director operates, but how maps are changed and the weapons are utilized. And that's not including the fact that there aren't the L4D2 special infected (which is a good thing, believe me).
You must of missed the earliest version of arma 2 dayZ, when no one actually hacked the game, I will say I only have good memories of l4d however. No frustration or anything due to bugs.(which existed but you'd laugh about rather than get annoyed)
+silent saucepan It's just plain fun to play. L4D2 is fun mostly because of the mods, and in L4D1 is the gameplay better. Both games are really dynamic as well. The AI Director spawns everything (i.e. items, guns, infected, special infected) in different places everytime you play. So with that it tries to keep the gameplay fresh. I also love that you HAVE to use teamwork to progress. This is especially true for L4D2, because that game punishes you a bit harder than the first if you go alone. Killing zombies always stays fun. It feels really satisfying when you shoot a limb off of a zombie. L4D is a classic and never gets old. L4D1 > L4D2
I personally don't think a remaster of the first 2 games would be very necessary. I'd just want the campaigns and the characters to be included in the 3rd title (just like L4D1 was basically included in L4D2).
my favorite part in l4d2 is ellis. for example ( while fighting off 2 tanks 8 chargers and 25000 zambies) ellis: did i ever tell you bout that time when keith and a i rochelle: ellis sweety now is not the time nick yah ellis shut the hell up! ellis:ok
"I ever tell you about the time my buddy Keith and I were on the top of a burnin' building, and we had to fight our way down like five floors of zombies and― Hey, wait a second...I guess that was you guys. Oh, shit, man, I can't wait to tell Keith about that one!"
Thewidestmule its one of those games that is great for building team skills and getting shy people over there fear of the unknown because it is just a game it helped me get over my fear of 28 days later ha =_=
Literally the first PC games I was introduced to when I was like 12, played the shit out of this game. This is why I'm so comfortable with seeing blood and, even why I play PC games today. 450 hours of Left 4 Dead 2.
Argh.... You're making me feel old. My first PC game was solitaire on Win3.1 lol. But that being said though, L4D was my first purchase of Digital games. Before this, i was against to the concept.
Valve is too lazy! They don't realized how much money they would earn when they release Left 4 Dead 3. Yap, that includes me! I'm willing to pay the price.
I love playing the Left 4 Dead games with my friend. She's one of those "charge ahead" players, and since she's got a better head for maps than me AND has played both games so many times, she's usually always way ahead while I'm struggling to keep up or remove myself from a zombie dog pile. Sometimes she just straight up ditches me and the AIs to go running ahead. The best part about that though is the last couple times she's done that she's wound up getting jumped by a group of zombies and killed, while meanwhile me and the AIs finally break free from the hordes and have to continue on with the missions without her XD Occasionally I find her in the closets. It's just such a great time, and we don't always play it as often as I'd like to.
yeah my dude i got it back on xbox (my 2 hardest achievements was crowned and tanked both of witch are hard as hell to get) but its fun cause every playthough is different to an extent and you never know what you might encounter first
Well watching a friend of mine play it at school on his laptop, my buddy on the other side made the comment "Man, Chargers are tanks that get like... no sex." to which I responded, "Yeah, it's why their single arm is so big."
Carl Wheezer is God Tier dude same bro I remember I had no games for my 360 which is why i never played it put my aunt had a 360 and she would play l4d all the time I really wanted it so I remember saving 70$ just to get left 4 dead 1 and left 4 dead 2 I was like 7 at the time
Wanna fight off a load of teletubbies as some random anime person wielding a pistol that says 'memes' every time you shoot? Venture into L4D2's workshop.
I'm guessing you don't know that the "two finger" symbol is the equivalent of flipping someone off in the UK? And they didn't get rid of it completely, they just flipped it around.
my least favourite is how there is 2 types of normal pistol(not magnum)and when u pick the one with no flashlight a flashlight one comes up and if u pick 2 flashlights then only one comes up and i nolike that is kinda bothering me a little
My favorite thing from left4dead/left4dead2, was probably the tank. x3 Funny story, when me and my sister were playing the second one, we were in dark carnival, and then a tank was around a corner, and I was the first one to go around the corner, sooo... I freaked out and almost died. 😂😂
I had one hiding in a corner, too, but I spotted it (because its big ass arm was sticking out) so I filled it with lead. It got pissed and came chasing after me, but it was totally worth it
the funniest one for me is when I was looking for the tank, and when me and the rest of the team turned around, we got smacked straight into the water and died 😂
There's a reason the ESRB lost their shit at the 2 chewed off fingers and not the thumb. In the UK and most european countries, sticking to fingers up basically means "up yours", so the chewed off fingers made it look like the game was essentially flipping the person off.
first of all, you said "to" instead of "two", and does it matter if the fingers are chewed off or not? He still has two fingers up so what would the difference be???
Textron Are you referring to me? Because I clearly said "2", which is a number, and the position of the hand (The back) is the "up yours" hand gesture, so they changed the position AND the chewed off fingers, but, yknow, well done on commenting on an old post without knowing the topic.
AGM_Flatline "sticking to fingers up" And I still don't understand. In the original, the fingers are chewed off, and in the used one, the fingers are there. The two fingers are sticking up in both. So wouldn't it still look like the gesture that means "up yours" either way? And don't say I'm commenting on a post without knowing the topic, because I'm asking a question about the topic.
Textron How about you go look at the universal hand gesture for "up yours", and you'll see they're alike. Also, the chewed off fingers were seen as super violent in the UK, so they changed it.
You may know this from the developer commentary but... I believe it was the boomer that was once called the "screamer". The Screamer had a straitjacket on and I don't think he could attack. But he ran away and you'd have to try to kill him before he got away otherwise he would go into a room and scream really loud and attract the horde. Don't quote me on all of that but you can look a video up on it if you're interested. Pretty cool fact in my opinion.
I kind of wish that Valve would confirm if they're developing something, anything. They could even be vague about it, I just want to know if they're still developing full games.
Valve is literally the worst developer out there. They NEVER respond to the community and just leaves them in the dark. On top of that their lazy asses just litter their games with micro transactions and watch the cash roll in. Don't get me wrong they make great games but the way they treat the community is fucking disgusting.
*Here are my ideas for Left 4 Dead 3’s main campaigns, what are yours? Feedback is welcome:* 😄 *Intro- Immediately following L4D 2, government-prepared cruise ships are carrying survivors from around the country to a Quarantine zone in the Caribbean where a rumored vaccine awaits. Soon enough however, a storm knocks out one of the ships’ power and a fresh outbreak begins in the compromised infirmary. Now, four new characters of random backgrounds immune to the symptoms (VIP passengers dubbed “carriers”) will either cooperate to reach salvation or die alone.* *Cruise Ship- Lights are flickering, screams of slaughter echo from the decks above, and there's nowhere to go but up.* *1. Cabins and infirmary-* Below deck (Starting near the stern). *2. Middle deck-* Shops, spas, restaurants, dine-in theater, Captain's quarters. Find Captain's body for S.O.S. radio code. *3. Upper deck-* Gym, pool, lounge, golf area, radio room entrance. *4. Radio antenna-* Stairs, radio room, ladder, antenna. Reach the antenna, attempt to radio for help. *5. Control room finale-* Hold off infected while driving the ship near shore, escape on the motorized lifeboat. *Quarantine Zone- You survived the cruise from Hell, but what's waiting for you on land?* *1. Shipyard-* Abandoned boats, warehouses, shoreline, hills, infested military blockade. *2. Quarantine checkpoint entrance-* Mass graves, military gate, holding center for infected victims. *3. Hospital-* Medical isolation tents, treatment centers, morgue, labs with bodies of survivors experimented on. You learn that the hosting scientists were not entirely truthful about the advertised vaccines. *4. Military base-* Reach the Communications center, radio to call a nearby large military plane full of survivors. *5. Runway finale-* Hold off infected until the plane arrives, then fight across the long infested runway to rescue. *Cancelled Flight- Hundreds of scared people in a flying metal tube during an epidemic, what could possibly go wrong?* *1. Cargo hold-* Your pilot radios you that a passenger hiding a bite just turned and started biting. So start moving. *2. Galley-* Bar, toilets, pantry, elevator. The pilot radios again that he locked himself in the cockpit to stay safe. *3. Aircraft cabin-* The pilot reveals that he was bitten and his copilot was killed. He's the only one flying. *4. Cockpit-* Defend the pilot from infected until he starts descent, he won't last long enough to land safely. *5. Parachute finale-* Spotting a vessel in the river below, you radio a surviving maritime pilot. You must parachute down and navigate the harbor while fighting infected to reach the boat and escape the fiery plane crash to safety. *Railroaded- The maritime pilot drops you off days later, telling you to follow the road to a nearby Amish village for help.* *1. Forested streets-* Infested woods, crashed cars, broken down carriages and tractors. *2. Amish community-* Farmhouses, automated reapers, woodland homes, church. You find a surviving farmer who suggests you head to the train station past a museum where he saw an abandoned train last time he went on a supply run. *3. Museum-* Exhibits, exotic antique weapons, colonial underground tunnel leading to the railroad miles away outside. *4. Railroad-* Follow the tracks through an infested town until you reach the station. *5. Train station finale-* One of you must get the train working while the other three hold off infected. Board the train once it starts moving and watch infected get mowed down on the tracks as you escape to the next state. *Military controlled CDC- This one ends with a tank.* *1. Fire station-* Garage, hose storage (usable against infected), work-spaces, kitchen, medical supply, training room, fire pole. Fuel up a truck to power-hose infected as you drive to the military safe-house near the CDC facility. *2. CDC-* You are captured and held in containment where the military reveals the government’s plans to weaponize infected for biological warfare using special chemical properties within the brains of carriers. Escape your cells, fight past the chemical-controlled infected and soldiers waiting outside, escape to the next wing. *3. Closed off infested wing-* Observation deck, open labs, engine rooms, freezer chambers, stairs to lower floor. *4. Experimentation chambers-* You discover that the vaccines are a cover-up for experimentation on carriers to enhance them into super-infected soldiers, but there is data that may lead to a legitimate cure. Reach the military’s armory. *5. Tank finale-* Commandeer an army tank, destroy the remaining military and super-infected to reach the helicopter, escape with evidence to expose the experimentation conspiracy worldwide as well as the research for a cure.
what I love most about left 4 dead 2..... that it is one of the many Valve games I have never bought or played, but was able to be 'great' enough to stick around this long for me to have a chance to not only play it, but for there to still be an active multiplayer and mod community behind it. Something that VERY few games can lay claim to.
According to an interview I read from a valve employee (anonymous) they have about ten people on the game because they don't want it released from fear of being like Mass Effect where the ending made a terrible backlash against the creators.
Damn, really miss this hell of a game, I got an xb1 but don’t have internet on it and don’t have Xbox 360 anymore and miss the fun, stressful sessions playing this day and night. This will go down as best game for me🤧💯
Trooper That would be really good. Like different locations (just like how the film had stuff happening in Asia too) that would help or hinder certain monsters, and upgrades to increase effectiveness in them completing the rituals.
KingFluffs did u ever noticed that in Cabin in the woods when u see the monster in the glass crates, there is the Witch, the Tank, the Boomer and the Hunter? ever noticed that?
I got the game as part of Valve's Complete Pack which contains all of their released games. That pack was on sale for 20 bucks last Christmas. I didn't even really notice it in the pack until I was browsing my library and decided to install it.
One thing I noticed about the voice acting is that Zoey's voice actress does a better job at it than everyone else. Just listen to her lines, she does different tones for everything.
Great video! Watching your videos are the highlight of my day. I love Left 4 Dead, still waiting for the third game. But I don't mind replaying the campaign for the 1st and 2nd game. It's cool that a new map/campaign was released.
I loved how advanced the AI is. I loved that I could go through any level and it would never play the same. One minute you and your friends are killing zombies like a boss, the next minute a Tank spawns out of nowhere at the worst moment.
If you took the time and viewed all the evidence there is for Left 4 Dead 3, the game is nearly completed and an E3 2017 announcement is likely incoming.
I know, I remember when I was playing Dead Center and when I picked up a Cricket Paddle. ( at least that's what I think it is) Then when I hit a common infected with it, instead of the zombie falling on the ground, it got sliced in Half. LoL
Back in 2009 while I was still serving in the Navy, i had my zune hooked up to my 360 and my John Williams collection playing, when i was down in the sewers, Hook theme popped on and remember if you had a Zune hooked up playing music through the TV, it overrides the audio of the game. So with this blasting theme, and a "YAH HAH!" I went through hordes jumping around with a sword easily hacking and slashing up zombies untouched all the way to the end of the stage. It is simply one of my favorite moments.
Tip: look for different places to hold out at the finales. My favourites are; L4D1: The upper floor of the barn at the end of Blood Harvest (ammo pile, easy access to the vehicle, two entrances) and under the helipad at the end of No Mercy. (two entrances, easy access to the vehicle) L4D2: At the gates of the plantation in Swamp Fever. (Ammo pile, easy access to the vehicle) I also keep a pipe bomb/boomer bile for the end so that my team (all AIs) doesn't get swamped. Hope this helps.
I've literally played this game since the first day they released part 1, I was 6 or 7. Now I'm 15 and still playing and pretty good at the game if I say so myself
TJ Sand me too bro!! I was a little older but I remember only being like 14-15 & coming home from school to the l4d intro while my bro was playing😳. 😂I have been addicted since & patiently play 1 & 2 in hopes of 3 releasing 😬
I know none of you will get this since Supernatural is not that famous but i am the only one that thinks that the third japanese character looked AF like Dean Winchester? 3:16 Just... Look...
#3 is great, except for the part where you sometimes make sure to clear an area behind you, only to have shit spawn right behind you. That has always annoyed me.
I found a tank in a toliet once :) scared me enough to need that toilet :) Always makes me laugh when three people see someone running in the opposite direction, and don't think 'that's odd'.
I've had a horde come solely out of the safe room. But then, who says they wouldn't attack from behind? They're not exactly mushy brained corpses, they're just extremely aggressive, like a rabid dog.
Kellen Anthoney a fucking smoker got spawned right next to me once and before I could kill it it disarmed me instantly (apparently just being next to it activates his choke ability instantly without giving you any chance to shoot back when tangled). Also fuck the constant zombie respawning in dark carnival making the finale look like a joke compared to it
Firm Clock It was great but come on dude, there is many great zombie games that are better than this. Dying Light, Dead Island 3 (hasn't been released but it looks badass), and the list goes on and on.
i dont care about the visuals or the gameplay of the new games i love L4D and that's all i there is to it. nice graphics or gameplay does not make a game good nether does the overall quality of the game.
Oh man I remember playing L4D in my uncle's xbox with my cousin and we struggle a lot with the split screen thing because we always look at each other's screens and mess up. But the fun part is that we're both playing it together and we have fun all the time, especially the witch-hunting (where i play as the bait) Good old times.
I got into left 4 dead when I got the second one back in 2009 and to this day, it’s still my favourite game of all time! Still hanging on to hope for a third but maybe not, still a sick game!!
'Before you buy left 4 dead 3'. One day gameranx, one day
hope is all we have
Valve may be unable to count to 3, but Microsoft counts like..... 1, 2, 3, ehhh..... 95? 98? 2000? ME? XP? Vista? oh wait, 7, 8, 8.1? ehhh.... 10?
I hope I live to see valve counting to 3
500 years later Half Life 3, Left 4 dead 3, Portal 3, Team Fortress 3 still unreleased.
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Wait so Cabin in the Woods and Zombie land are both L4D mivies??
Suddenly the Carnival scene makes alot more sense
Oh shit i just realized. That clown looked like the one in l4d2
The Scumbdogian Church of GWAR the boomer in the store
no way cabin in the woods is in the l4d2 universe.
favorite part of L4D2: Karmacharger. lemme set the scene for you. you're playing multiplayer with friends, you get to that point in almost every campaign where you have to activate something like a lift or whatever to clear the way, and then run like hell before the Horde overwhelms you. at this point, your "Friend" decideds to be the douchebag character from every zombie film, and shotguns you, leaving you on the ground as a diversion for the skullchewing undead while he books it. he starts to run off and before you can even finish cursing his name, charger comes out of nowhere and slams that asshole with a quickness, as if the AI saw his BS and delivered justice on your behalf.
this happened EVERY time my dick friend did this. betrayal swiftly followed by charger. EVERY TIME.
KARMA-CHARGER
I love this comment so much
Karma Charger is always watching
gourdguru lol
It's even better because in a wide open area, Chargers are easy to avoid if you can see/hear them coming.
In a narrow corridor, though, like most of those running sections, he's almost impossible to avoid.
The same thing happened to me, except I was the karma charger
you could say that the servers were... left 4 dead
Sam Guglin ITS TOO GOOD OH GOD NOOOOOO
Are you also the guy making the Joe Biden memes >_>
Duck rude. it was a good pun and you are simply jealous you didn't think of it first
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
hahah oh gawd
since I know people who crack cheesy jokes all the time, I read it in the same tone I would normally hear it in and that in itself made me laugh
I like Ellis. But when it's like 10 jockeys 10 tanks and 10 chargers "Hey have I ever tell you about Keith and I went on a" coach,Rochelle,Nick: It ain't time for this Ellis
I was playing as Ellis, and he started telling one of his stories. Problem was, I got pinned by a Charger, and so Ellis was being smashed into the ground but he literally just kept telling the story
Ellis is my favorite for the sole reason of his stereotyipcal southern style, the cap, the accent, his buddy Keith and that one mission when you take the NASCAR racecar
My l4d1 fav character:Zoey
My l4d2 fav character:Ellis
@@gremlininblue2601 did i tell you about my- *boof* my buddy k- *boof* he drov- *boof* off *boof*
“Was”? Wrong, STILL is the best zombie game
You can say that again brother
@@clairissafix8077 for sure
As much as i wanna say that
theres still better games
agreed
What about dying light?
Favorite thing about L4D2? The fact that the 1st game came free inside L4D2.
***** Which was free on PC, at least in the US. $7 on Xbox if that' where you got it, if you got it on PC then y'all got screwed.
Free in the PC version (because Microsoft wanted to charge money for DLC on console).
Well, I don't know if it was free on release, but if you own L4D2 now on PC at least, you get all the DLC for free (in USA).
+TickleMyPitz Same in the UK
L4D is quite a bit different from L4D2... not only how the director operates, but how maps are changed and the weapons are utilized. And that's not including the fact that there aren't the L4D2 special infected (which is a good thing, believe me).
left 4 dead was the greatest zombie game from my puberty days
Artistic Stormtrooper it IS the greatest game of MY puberty days lol, I'm 15 and love playing this with my mates.
me too im 19 now
You must of missed the earliest version of arma 2 dayZ, when no one actually hacked the game, I will say I only have good memories of l4d however. No frustration or anything due to bugs.(which existed but you'd laugh about rather than get annoyed)
I got it when it first released i remeber when they pushed it back
Artistic Stormtrooper LMFAOOOOOOO SAME
"Better safe than sorry!" That crazy church guy is voiced by Nathan Vetterlein. He also voices the Scout in "Team Fortress 2"
aka Scout in the corner meme lol
I'm proud to say that I'm still playing Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 almost daily since 2009
what keeps the game still interesting to you?
+silent saucepan It's just plain fun to play. L4D2 is fun mostly because of the mods, and in L4D1 is the gameplay better. Both games are really dynamic as well. The AI Director spawns everything (i.e. items, guns, infected, special infected) in different places everytime you play. So with that it tries to keep the gameplay fresh. I also love that you HAVE to use teamwork to progress. This is especially true for L4D2, because that game punishes you a bit harder than the first if you go alone. Killing zombies always stays fun. It feels really satisfying when you shoot a limb off of a zombie. L4D is a classic and never gets old.
L4D1 > L4D2
Calling BS. L4D 1 was dead 6 months after L4D 2 was released. I remember this clearly as also being an avid L4D 1 fan.
+Sam3231 It's not even dead. Dead means that you can't find matches anymore which you still can.
Just to clarify, I am talking about versus. You can still find games in versus? Lucky you. I remember queuing and having no luck years ago.
Why the fuck doesnt valve want my money? Gimme L4D3 and the first 2 games remastered.
Bibi Green
That would be awesome!!
I personally don't think a remaster of the first 2 games would be very necessary. I'd just want the campaigns and the characters to be included in the 3rd title (just like L4D1 was basically included in L4D2).
***** And even if they would go for a new game, it'd probably have those stupid microtransactions such as rainbow retextures and paid sprays. -.-
Valve doesn't know how to count to 3.... There I say it.... I will see my self out.
They tried remember? They released L4D2 early and people got mad and went into boycott mode.
"Did I ever tell you 'bout the time my buddy Keith drove off a bridge, broke both his legs? You think windshields *look* durable, right..."
my favorite part in l4d2 is ellis. for example ( while fighting off 2 tanks 8 chargers and 25000 zambies) ellis: did i ever tell you bout that time when keith and a i
rochelle: ellis sweety now is not the time
nick yah ellis shut the hell up!
ellis:ok
XgamerX187 if they do make a movie, Earl Dibbles Jr as Ellis
XgamerX187 i love ellis in shrek is love shrek is life
"I ever tell you about the time my buddy Keith and I were on the top of a burnin' building, and we had to fight our way down like five floors of zombies and― Hey, wait a second...I guess that was you guys. Oh, shit, man, I can't wait to tell Keith about that one!"
Mr Monti i fukin dead
It would be cool if Keith is going to be playable character in L4D3.
"One of the coolest"? No, the coolest zombie game.
Pepe The Fat Frog umm resident evil 6 is better
webz Nah mate you're crazy. even the last of us is better than re6
webz re6 was trash compared to re4 but I loved left 4 dead a lot better than re
+webz No, it really isn't.
OV BAD m8 re4 was complete garbage shielded by nostalgia. Re6 was better than it by far. L4d is mediocre too fam
Other game companies: *makes endless sequels to grab cash*
Valve: *does the opposite*
Quality over Quantity.
they made a sequel for someone else and became a godly franchise
l4d2 is one of my most played games it's a classic
Thewidestmule its one of those games that is great for building team skills and getting shy people over there fear of the unknown because it is just a game it helped me get over my fear of 28 days later ha =_=
Literally the first PC games I was introduced to when I was like 12, played the shit out of this game. This is why I'm so comfortable with seeing blood and, even why I play PC games today. 450 hours of Left 4 Dead 2.
If you play l4d2 on the PC I've more than likely killed you before
Argh.... You're making me feel old. My first PC game was solitaire on Win3.1 lol. But that being said though, L4D was my first purchase of Digital games. Before this, i was against to the concept.
Thewidestmule k
Who else started the video, got halfway through, and now wants to play L4D really badly now?
yep
*raises hand*
BlueBallofFur
I lost the disc and im pissed
I have it on PC aha.
Rebuy it on steam, NOW GO GO
In my opinion...
PC: LAN Party
Console: Splitscreen
Favorite thing about L4D2 is playing as a charger and instakilling someone by knocking them off something.
Boomer bombs
I once took out a full 4 man team by charging one into the other 3 (who all died of fall damage) :)
smokers are the best for me. you just gotta know the right spots
Like when they all go off a point where they can't go back and you catch the straggler
Spitters can destroy gas cans picked up by survivors. I love the level where they throw down the cans in the mall so I just destroy them one by one xD
We need L4D3
Probably false information.
didn't you know? half life 3 is coming in 2017, also portal 3.
(Valve) 1... 2........... fuk dis just add dlcs and skins and stay with 2
edit: fuck off
Portal 2 wasn't a failure. It was a success.
Valve is too lazy! They don't realized how much money they would earn when they release Left 4 Dead 3. Yap, that includes me! I'm willing to pay the price.
Tj Samson me too
They have enough money, no need for new games, well... Except for HL
I’d drop couple 100 dollars if that game came out
Back for blood is the new game.
Exactly! I'm so upset about that
Saying "Mike Patton voiced all of the zombies" makes it sound like there weren't five other zombie voice actors, including Fred Tatasciore.
Emilie DeWinter youre right. there were a few other voice actors, and I dont remember just Patton being in there
Hugh Dillon from the band the headstones is in lfd2 great band
Still waiting for Left for Dead 3
Adrian Sappington still waiting for Gabe to get a brain
I love playing the Left 4 Dead games with my friend. She's one of those "charge ahead" players, and since she's got a better head for maps than me AND has played both games so many times, she's usually always way ahead while I'm struggling to keep up or remove myself from a zombie dog pile. Sometimes she just straight up ditches me and the AIs to go running ahead. The best part about that though is the last couple times she's done that she's wound up getting jumped by a group of zombies and killed, while meanwhile me and the AIs finally break free from the hordes and have to continue on with the missions without her XD Occasionally I find her in the closets. It's just such a great time, and we don't always play it as often as I'd like to.
Fact 11, you can mod the hell out of it!
-graphics mod
-new maps
-customize characters
-rng things
aNak1N122 only on pc though
but not on console XD
You can mod on Xbox 360, with a USB.
Feral Ghoul no you cant -_-
ItsCritical you definitely can
I can see my work at 1:43
seibmoz I’m very aware of that. I knew
WHERE'S DINNAAA
You comment on everything lfd vid
@@jeanpg9007 You're joking right?
@@jeanpg9007 Mah bad
Waiting for left 4 dead 3 and dead island 2 😣
Going to be a long while if ever😕😕😕😕
Dead island 2 is out in Japan:(
Never coming out
Dying light 2 is coming out this 2020
i never got on the left 4 dead train and i've always regretted that. looks so fun
notunlikethewaves buy it there's still tons of people playing and hundreds of custom maps to download
Mr Geeky
after i get done with the new final fantasy i think i'll do just that :)
yeah my dude i got it back on xbox (my 2 hardest achievements was crowned and tanked both of witch are hard as hell to get) but its fun cause every playthough is different to an extent and you never know what you might encounter first
notunlikethewaves jump in on the next steam sale BROH
notunlikethewaves It was ridiculously fun
Well watching a friend of mine play it at school on his laptop, my buddy on the other side made the comment "Man, Chargers are tanks that get like... no sex." to which I responded, "Yeah, it's why their single arm is so big."
Noble VI fucking 11 year old response
Someone needs to shit post. It's a burden I take upon myself.
Noble VI yeah well, I'm in 10 th grade.
I'm dead, what do I care?
Noble VI R.I.P. Noble Team
"What's your favorite thing about Left 4 Dead 2?"
Haha
Haha
hAHHAH
//breathes in
N ic k
I like Francis
@@girlscoutinafreezer5227 ellis is like my favorite especially on the parish.
I like Louis
OOO NICK IS BABY
edit: 2 months later wondering why I commented this, since I know bill has always been my favorite.
Samee
Man this game was my childhood.
Sentinal Radegast This game only came out 7 years ago...
Sodapaup I WAS STILL I CHILD WHEN I WAS 14
Sodapaup 7 years is a long time
***** ikr
but Nick is hilarious tho xD I like the way he swear :v
Left 4 dead was one of my first Xbox 360 games. The memories.....
the amish tech support same fool
Carl Wheezer is God Tier dude same bro I remember I had no games for my 360 which is why i never played it put my aunt had a 360 and she would play l4d all the time I really wanted it so I remember saving 70$ just to get left 4 dead 1 and left 4 dead 2 I was like 7 at the time
"Did I tell y'all about how me and my friend Keith..." -Ellis
"Ellis, honey, can this wait?" -Rochelle
@@kaleaward ellis: ok 😐
How the hell are there so many comments it's been a minute
SkittleCornNation 2.8 million subscribers
Wanderer_111. People with no life. So they constantly refresh the page to see if a video has been uploaded.
The Death or they get push notifications... Lol
cant be a simple thing as having fucking almost 3 millions subs hey?
SkittleCornNation how the hell can you be so stupid and realize millions of subs
When you play left 4 dead then you realized that zombies dont bite they punch.
BakedPotato They're just tenderizing the food.
You just ruined my childhood :(
+MasterGamerTorez /Rez Gaming
He does bite you actually, whilst ripping you up he leans over and takes a bite out of your shoulder.
There's no point in biting you, you're already infected they just want you dead because you don't act like them. Kind of similar to current society.
that's cause they're not zombies boy
I love left 4 dead so much can't wait for part 3
Haha
@@marcelars350 ye lmao 😂
@@marcelars350 half life 3 tho
Pray harder;
Cuz it ain't working
💥
Haha well good luck with that brother
Besides Skyrim, L4D2 has some of the funniest mods out there, that's why I like it so much.
John Smith There's always one who jumps straight to SA
Tenacious Pup yup
Wanna fight off a load of teletubbies as some random anime person wielding a pistol that says 'memes' every time you shoot?
Venture into L4D2's workshop.
I'm guessing you don't know that the "two finger" symbol is the equivalent of flipping someone off in the UK? And they didn't get rid of it completely, they just flipped it around.
I really don't think anyone would be offended by that.
If anyone was, then good. It will stop the oversensitive filth from playing this masterpiece.
i had noprob for split screen if u play with two controlers on xbox
dare Ethan right!! I’m playing mines as we speak😂l4d is a classic & I still have ran into np on my 360🤷🏾♂️
" left 4 dead" *huh* haven't heard that name in years
Guess that franchise has been LEFT 4 DEAD during the past years he he he he...
Sorry I'll see myself out ._.
that was actually pretty good :P
Cheung Leo there's the door👉🏠
realxtraki11er
Thank you I was looking for it but couldn't really find it :v
Javier Morales good time =)
my favorite thing about Left 4 Dead 2 probably the physics of the bodies of zombies
Mike Marks same
my least favourite is how there is 2 types of normal pistol(not magnum)and when u pick the one with no flashlight a flashlight one comes up and if u pick 2 flashlights then only one comes up and i nolike that is kinda bothering me a little
I LUV ENGRISH FOOD how can that bother you?!
um ocd
I LUV ENGRISH FOOD is it unsatisfying to u?
When ever I try to play l4d all I see are “HENTAI RAPE” in the servers
Wtf
same
Apparently Valve can't count to 3 😢
Or they can't be bothered to make another one
L4D2 has a 15k+ population on Steam rn...
@@muhammadosama3358 That is still pretty low but still the game is fun even more fun with mods
Incredibly old joke.
Yep
playing with freinds and screaming when getting attack by a special infected
My favorite thing from left4dead/left4dead2, was probably the tank. x3
Funny story, when me and my sister were playing the second one, we were in dark carnival, and then a tank was around a corner, and I was the first one to go around the corner, sooo... I freaked out and almost died. 😂😂
I had one hiding in a corner, too, but I spotted it (because its big ass arm was sticking out) so I filled it with lead. It got pissed and came chasing after me, but it was totally worth it
It ain't time for this island lips 😂😂
The scariest infected to see in this game.
the funniest one for me is when I was looking for the tank, and when me and the rest of the team turned around, we got smacked straight into the water and died 😂
There's a reason the ESRB lost their shit at the 2 chewed off fingers and not the thumb. In the UK and most european countries, sticking to fingers up basically means "up yours", so the chewed off fingers made it look like the game was essentially flipping the person off.
thank god somebody got that, I was looking through the comments like "really? did nobody think that might've been the reason?"
first of all, you said "to" instead of "two", and does it matter if the fingers are chewed off or not? He still has two fingers up so what would the difference be???
Textron Are you referring to me? Because I clearly said "2", which is a number, and the position of the hand (The back) is the "up yours" hand gesture, so they changed the position AND the chewed off fingers, but, yknow, well done on commenting on an old post without knowing the topic.
AGM_Flatline "sticking to fingers up"
And I still don't understand. In the original, the fingers are chewed off, and in the used one, the fingers are there. The two fingers are sticking up in both. So wouldn't it still look like the gesture that means "up yours" either way? And don't say I'm commenting on a post without knowing the topic, because I'm asking a question about the topic.
Textron How about you go look at the universal hand gesture for "up yours", and you'll see they're alike. Also, the chewed off fingers were seen as super violent in the UK, so they changed it.
You may know this from the developer commentary but...
I believe it was the boomer that was once called the "screamer".
The Screamer had a straitjacket on and I don't think he could attack. But he ran away and you'd have to try to kill him before he got away otherwise he would go into a room and scream really loud and attract the horde. Don't quote me on all of that but you can look a video up on it if you're interested. Pretty cool fact in my opinion.
Jspau He was mentioned in the developer commentary in L4D1
I met Mike Patton in a Denny's in Eureka, CA. Cool dude.
Does Valve have some sort of hatred for trilogies or something? Their best games all end at part 2.
Point
I kind of wish that Valve would confirm if they're developing something, anything. They could even be vague about it, I just want to know if they're still developing full games.
Valve is literally the worst developer out there. They NEVER respond to the community and just leaves them in the dark. On top of that their lazy asses just litter their games with micro transactions and watch the cash roll in. Don't get me wrong they make great games but the way they treat the community is fucking disgusting.
And let's not forget steam support
Hey, theres 3 CS games.
I've played this game for over 5300 hours, will l4d3 still come? :(
CHaotiksY GaminG When Lord GabeN learns to count to 3
wait there's a 3 coming out?
corbin beebe hope
Some say it would be on feb 2018 :D
corbin beebe who or where did you get that info about a l4d3 in this month?
A fact from me: the zombies in the game are not really zombies but somewhat people that have gottan a sever rabies disease with drastic mutations
*Here are my ideas for Left 4 Dead 3’s main campaigns, what are yours? Feedback is welcome:* 😄
*Intro- Immediately following L4D 2, government-prepared cruise ships are carrying survivors from around the country to a Quarantine zone in the Caribbean where a rumored vaccine awaits. Soon enough however, a storm knocks out one of the ships’ power and a fresh outbreak begins in the compromised infirmary. Now, four new characters of random backgrounds immune to the symptoms (VIP passengers dubbed “carriers”) will either cooperate to reach salvation or die alone.*
*Cruise Ship- Lights are flickering, screams of slaughter echo from the decks above, and there's nowhere to go but up.*
*1. Cabins and infirmary-* Below deck (Starting near the stern).
*2. Middle deck-* Shops, spas, restaurants, dine-in theater, Captain's quarters. Find Captain's body for S.O.S. radio code.
*3. Upper deck-* Gym, pool, lounge, golf area, radio room entrance.
*4. Radio antenna-* Stairs, radio room, ladder, antenna. Reach the antenna, attempt to radio for help.
*5. Control room finale-* Hold off infected while driving the ship near shore, escape on the motorized lifeboat.
*Quarantine Zone- You survived the cruise from Hell, but what's waiting for you on land?*
*1. Shipyard-* Abandoned boats, warehouses, shoreline, hills, infested military blockade.
*2. Quarantine checkpoint entrance-* Mass graves, military gate, holding center for infected victims.
*3. Hospital-* Medical isolation tents, treatment centers, morgue, labs with bodies of survivors experimented on. You learn that the hosting scientists were not entirely truthful about the advertised vaccines.
*4. Military base-* Reach the Communications center, radio to call a nearby large military plane full of survivors.
*5. Runway finale-* Hold off infected until the plane arrives, then fight across the long infested runway to rescue.
*Cancelled Flight- Hundreds of scared people in a flying metal tube during an epidemic, what could possibly go wrong?*
*1. Cargo hold-* Your pilot radios you that a passenger hiding a bite just turned and started biting. So start moving.
*2. Galley-* Bar, toilets, pantry, elevator. The pilot radios again that he locked himself in the cockpit to stay safe.
*3. Aircraft cabin-* The pilot reveals that he was bitten and his copilot was killed. He's the only one flying.
*4. Cockpit-* Defend the pilot from infected until he starts descent, he won't last long enough to land safely.
*5. Parachute finale-* Spotting a vessel in the river below, you radio a surviving maritime pilot. You must parachute down and navigate the harbor while fighting infected to reach the boat and escape the fiery plane crash to safety.
*Railroaded- The maritime pilot drops you off days later, telling you to follow the road to a nearby Amish village for help.*
*1. Forested streets-* Infested woods, crashed cars, broken down carriages and tractors.
*2. Amish community-* Farmhouses, automated reapers, woodland homes, church. You find a surviving farmer who suggests you head to the train station past a museum where he saw an abandoned train last time he went on a supply run.
*3. Museum-* Exhibits, exotic antique weapons, colonial underground tunnel leading to the railroad miles away outside.
*4. Railroad-* Follow the tracks through an infested town until you reach the station.
*5. Train station finale-* One of you must get the train working while the other three hold off infected. Board the train once it starts moving and watch infected get mowed down on the tracks as you escape to the next state.
*Military controlled CDC- This one ends with a tank.*
*1. Fire station-* Garage, hose storage (usable against infected), work-spaces, kitchen, medical supply, training room, fire pole. Fuel up a truck to power-hose infected as you drive to the military safe-house near the CDC facility.
*2. CDC-* You are captured and held in containment where the military reveals the government’s plans to weaponize infected for biological warfare using special chemical properties within the brains of carriers. Escape your cells, fight past the chemical-controlled infected and soldiers waiting outside, escape to the next wing.
*3. Closed off infested wing-* Observation deck, open labs, engine rooms, freezer chambers, stairs to lower floor.
*4. Experimentation chambers-* You discover that the vaccines are a cover-up for experimentation on carriers to enhance them into super-infected soldiers, but there is data that may lead to a legitimate cure. Reach the military’s armory.
*5. Tank finale-* Commandeer an army tank, destroy the remaining military and super-infected to reach the helicopter, escape with evidence to expose the experimentation conspiracy worldwide as well as the research for a cure.
wow nice
The super infected would be a nice way to add new specials!
L4D is still one of my favorite zombie games.
what I love most about left 4 dead 2.....
that it is one of the many Valve games I have never bought or played, but was able to be 'great' enough to stick around this long for me to have a chance to not only play it, but for there to still be an active multiplayer and mod community behind it. Something that VERY few games can lay claim to.
PLEASEJUST MAKE L4D3 CMON YOU GUYS WASTED THE MONEY FOR EVOLVE WHY S O HESITANT NOW?
Valve didn't make evolve
Turtlerock studio left valve and make evolve
Saad S Working on the Steam Console
YOU MUST BE NEW HERE, VALVE NEVER MAKES A THIRD GAME IN ANY OF THEIR SERIES.
Fucking pricks.
Because of the number 3.....(Gabe Newell is watching...don't say a word)
+Enclave Soldier We're too late! You used Gabe Newell and the forbidden number in the same comment! YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL!!
I'd honestly rather have L4D3 than HL3 and P3..
Amen to that brother.
But but, Half Life right now is still in a state where it's cliffhanger.
Dekish orange box 2 with all of em plz
According to an interview I read from a valve employee (anonymous) they have about ten people on the game because they don't want it released from fear of being like Mass Effect where the ending made a terrible backlash against the creators.
+Brendan Fligg How? What happened with Mass Effect? I haven't played the game yet but I'm planning to soon.
Damn, really miss this hell of a game, I got an xb1 but don’t have internet on it and don’t have Xbox 360 anymore and miss the fun, stressful sessions playing this day and night. This will go down as best game for me🤧💯
Favourite thing about L4D? PIIIIIILS HERE!!!!
They never made them for ps, but it would be awesome if they would remaster for ps4... childhood games
its more or less an xbox exclusive with a pc port
+Kathy Hart Technically it was a PC exclusive with an Xbox port.
Kasper Lehto true
my favorite thing in l4d2?
easy: *MODS*
My favorite thing is at every level's end, a tank comes and it gets intense
am I the only one who thinks the American bartender looks like Dean Winchester?
OneManBand_ OMG I did too it looks exactly like him and Dean would survive a zombie apocalypse
damn straight he would. at the very least he would go down swinging ;)
Nope your not the only one
My favorite thing about L4D2 is its replay ability. It just never gets old, but the servers aren't what they used to be lol.
I'd love a game about Cabin in the woods. Where you are those people who house the monsters in them glass crates.
If they based the mechanics on the film that would be excellent, what ever you pick up determines the monster you get........ah all we can do is hope.
Trooper That would be really good. Like different locations (just like how the film had stuff happening in Asia too) that would help or hinder certain monsters, and upgrades to increase effectiveness in them completing the rituals.
+Trooper
Just found a minimilistic type on one Steam. No clue if it's good though.
store.steampowered.com/app/568220/
KingFluffs did u ever noticed that in Cabin in the woods
when u see the monster in the glass crates, there is the Witch, the Tank, the Boomer and the Hunter?
ever noticed that?
ẓєקһʏʏṿıı 《ZephyyVII》 I hadn't noticed until this video.
You know what I don't like about Left 4 Dead 2? I don't have the game.
Tomshark Buy it den
I got the game as part of Valve's Complete Pack which contains all of their released games. That pack was on sale for 20 bucks last Christmas. I didn't even really notice it in the pack until I was browsing my library and decided to install it.
Wait for a Steam sale, you can get it for five bucks, and it's worth every penny in my opinion.
I'll keep that in mind!
Tomshark And be sure to mod the fuck out of it if you get the game. Macho Man Randy Savage tank is one of the best things to ever happen to me.
One thing I noticed about the voice acting is that Zoey's voice actress does a better job at it than everyone else.
Just listen to her lines, she does different tones for everything.
when one game from the past is more fun than 20 games of 2k16
3:02 - 3:03 (Someones selling it) "Shut up and take my money!!!"
lo...
I just got into L4D2 because of the beautiful Steam sales, and its just AMAZING. I love the online campaign and replay value of the game.
It's one of the best zombies games that I've played. I still play it to this day. will never get old
Great video! Watching your videos are the highlight of my day.
I love Left 4 Dead, still waiting for the third game. But I don't mind replaying the campaign for the 1st and 2nd game. It's cool that a new map/campaign was released.
I actually like the way the tanks show up at a random pleace sometimes out of the blue, and they go after the play, it was pretty clever
the two male characters from the Japanese arcade version are Sam and Dean Winchester
Just for watching Vids no
Anthony Stark it literally looks exactly like them
Just for watching Vids not even
Just for watching Vids Not literally but kinda
it looks so much like them😂
In L4D2, my favorite thing was the melee weapons. Sometimes, they were just a lot more effective than your normal guns were.
I loved how advanced the AI is. I loved that I could go through any level and it would never play the same. One minute you and your friends are killing zombies like a boss, the next minute a Tank spawns out of nowhere at the worst moment.
FUCK!!! I thought Left 4 Dead 3 had been announced
ChristmasTrax one day man..one day
hell naw
If you took the time and viewed all the evidence there is for Left 4 Dead 3, the game is nearly completed and an E3 2017 announcement is likely incoming.
Juleris, source? Please?
Pretty please?
Empty soul Valve News Network recently uploaded a video about the comprehensive knowledge gained over the years about Left 4 Dead 3 and its creation.
My favorite part of left 4 dead 2 is how a blunt object such as a baseball can chop/cut zombies.
I know, I remember when I was playing Dead Center and when I picked up a Cricket Paddle. ( at least that's what I think it is) Then when I hit a common infected with it, instead of the zombie falling on the ground, it got sliced in Half. LoL
Back in 2009 while I was still serving in the Navy, i had my zune hooked up to my 360 and my John Williams collection playing, when i was down in the sewers, Hook theme popped on and remember if you had a Zune hooked up playing music through the TV, it overrides the audio of the game. So with this blasting theme, and a "YAH HAH!" I went through hordes jumping around with a sword easily hacking and slashing up zombies untouched all the way to the end of the stage. It is simply one of my favorite moments.
I'm pretty sure I've watched Cabin in the Woods, on my Grandma's TV. My favorite part is when they breach the facility.
BRAINIACZ101 Or REDEMERALDS100 no one cares
+TheToontown12. go fuck yourself I care
nobletea 3400 I'm not just saying I care since tooltown12 is being a dick
L4D is my fav game series
Tip: look for different places to hold out at the finales. My favourites are;
L4D1: The upper floor of the barn at the end of Blood Harvest (ammo pile, easy access to the vehicle, two entrances) and under the helipad at the end of No Mercy. (two entrances, easy access to the vehicle)
L4D2: At the gates of the plantation in Swamp Fever. (Ammo pile, easy access to the vehicle)
I also keep a pipe bomb/boomer bile for the end so that my team (all AIs) doesn't get swamped.
Hope this helps.
I've literally played this game since the first day they released part 1, I was 6 or 7. Now I'm 15 and still playing and pretty good at the game if I say so myself
TJ Sand me too bro!! I was a little older but I remember only being like 14-15 & coming home from school to the l4d intro while my bro was playing😳.
😂I have been addicted since & patiently play 1 & 2 in hopes of 3 releasing 😬
I know none of you will get this since Supernatural is not that famous but i am the only one that thinks that the third japanese character looked AF like Dean Winchester? 3:16 Just... Look...
Omg yesss
You are on spot there m8
Supernatural is popular though 👀 and i totally see what you mean
Me: believe me what ever it is, I’ll know
Me *watches vid*
THERE IS SOMETHINGS ABOUT THIS I DONT UNDERSTAND
#3 is great, except for the part where you sometimes make sure to clear an area behind you, only to have shit spawn right behind you. That has always annoyed me.
Kellen Anthoney in l4d we once had a horde of zombies spawning from a toilet cubical
Bet some kinky shit happened in that toilet cubical.
I found a tank in a toliet once :) scared me enough to need that toilet :) Always makes me laugh when three people see someone running in the opposite direction, and don't think 'that's odd'.
I've had a horde come solely out of the safe room.
But then, who says they wouldn't attack from behind? They're not exactly mushy brained corpses, they're just extremely aggressive, like a rabid dog.
Kellen Anthoney a fucking smoker got spawned right next to me once and before I could kill it it disarmed me instantly (apparently just being next to it activates his choke ability instantly without giving you any chance to shoot back when tangled). Also fuck the constant zombie respawning in dark carnival making the finale look like a joke compared to it
its not one of the best zombie games it is the best zombie game
Yea?
Firm Clock It was great but come on dude, there is many great zombie games that are better than this.
Dying Light, Dead Island 3 (hasn't been released but it looks badass), and the list goes on and on.
i dont like those games
Firm Clock It isn't matter of liking, it's matter of overall gameplay, visuals, etc.
You need to learn how to let go.
i dont care about the visuals or the gameplay of the new games i love L4D and that's all i there is to it.
nice graphics or gameplay does not make a game good nether does the overall quality of the game.
best coop game ever, with the dynamic difficulty even the best player in the game need good teammates and that's what true coop means
Left 4 dead 3 wont happen? um sir they already said that they were working on it.
Valve working on a 3rd game for a series...
HA! Like that'll ever happen!
Jake87 They literally confirmed it but i like your sense of humor.
DENSEDGOD lol thank you and I know they confirmed it but the joke was just sitting there waiting to be made
Jake87 true
i want proof mate
1 view and 7 likes... Seems legit
Oh man I remember playing L4D in my uncle's xbox with my cousin and we struggle a lot with the split screen thing because we always look at each other's screens and mess up. But the fun part is that we're both playing it together and we have fun all the time, especially the witch-hunting (where i play as the bait)
Good old times.
2019 anybody?
like if they should make a third left 4 dead
They should, but Valve has trouble counting to 3 if you haven't noticed.
One...Two...Th-Ah, fuck it let's just add some skins.
They can't even count to three wit u talking about?
bitch stop begging for likes
You have contacts in valve and can make it happen just for some likes? Deal.
That American Bartender in L4D in Japan looks like Dean Winchester.
L4D2 will always be one of my favourite games of all time. 🙌
I didn't know tyrese voiced coach. Coach is my second favorite character.
I got into left 4 dead when I got the second one back in 2009 and to this day, it’s still my favourite game of all time! Still hanging on to hope for a third but maybe not, still a sick game!!
MY FAVERIT THING ABOUTE LEFT 4 DEAD IS THE ADVENTURE.
DEATH STAR LEFT 4 DEAD AND FNAF Even after a year, you haven't fixed the spelling.
G B 😂😂
favourite*
I only play left for dead on split screen drunk with my friends, best times
I was obsessed with this game. Loved playing with others.
I honestly thought there was gonna be L4D3
The_ Inquisitor valve dont know count to 3.Like tf,half life,lfd,etc.
It is supposed to be released on the Source 2 engine but as it is Valve developing it we could be waiting decades for anything new.