MCU Faster Than Light Speed Scaling - Explained
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- MCU power scaling seems to be all over the place amongst users over the internet, but no category seems to be as heated and amazingly misunderstood as speed scaling (at least from what I've seen)
You can say whatever you want, but the MCU hosts a bucketload of lightspeed and FTL speed feats, which this video exploits and explains the consistency in the scaling.
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4:12
Mjolnir didn't even cross a distance like the distance between moon and the earth over 20 seconds after Thor threw it.
You say that it travels from the Sun to the Earth in 2 seconds.
Look at the size of the Earth and the Sun and calculate it.
It's nowhere near the Sun.
I can't click on any links. Can you point me to the calculation where it says that Mjolnir was traveling 400x SOL.
“sUpErMaN sPeEdBliZeS”
“bEfOrE mIstEr tAn oAes cAn rEaCt, hE dIeD”
Quicksilver was just tired and beateb after fighting in sikovia we literally saw him out of breath thats literally the only reason why quicksilver was shot
Amazing w vid .I'm so sick of people thinking they aren't even super sonic
Isn’t it
This video should have more likes
I mean weve seem vaptain america dodge machine gun fire and block and. Hes always blitzed by quicksilver
I'm literally less than 3 minutes in
Already flawed
"Cinematic timing" yeah, not a bad theory, except there's also a thing called "aim dodge"
I keep watching for like a minute or two.... Ok i can't finish, this is TERRIBLE
People please, use some common sense
There's too many MCU wankers
"Captain America moving near speed of light" bruh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's the funniest thing I've seen
That's 1000% wrong, CA is no where near that fast😂
Where are you getting your logic?
Statements are fine, but please, don't insert your own bias head canon
Just want to throw this out there for a bit more constancy, but I believe in the credits of Captain marvel’s film she flies past a giant black hole pretty casually
4:15 pls, dont take this like hate, but, do u rly thinks, that the Mjolnir was even close to the Sun (like 1 mil km away from it) ?? And one more think, okay, i would take that the movie is slowed down for people to be able to se what is accually happening, fair one, but shouldn t be than also slowed down the enviroment, or u showed there 1:57, Tony shooting at normal people and he was moving like in normal and people too ( i can imagine one explaination, but i would love to see yours). And last thing, 6:13 here, dont take this wrong, but, imagine u are on train, u throw the ball at your friend in the direction of moving ( lets say train is moving 100km/H), u throw it(for example at speed 20km/h), and he catch it, that doesnt mean that he catched the ball moving at 120km/h, bcs he was also moving 100km/h at the time of throw...same is there, she only dodged knife at relative speed same as if they were standing still... Yeah i know tractor beam, yeah, sure, this one is for longer to explain why its basicaly same, i will explain that if u would like to have conversation about that. What about that repulsors and laser beams i agree, that if thats laser it must be moving at speed of light, theres no doubt, but ( here comes the problem that sometimes marvel shit in their mouth) the official statment of marvel is that (at least in Iron Mans case) its energetic beam, that does not mean that its laser, bcs when u look at it more closely, it behave more like plasma. To Dr Strange and time stone, he could teleport it, and thats immediately, but i agree that when there was that conversation with ancient one, this scene has to be in somespeed scaling bcs there also enviroment was moving much much slower... PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS HATE, i do not doubt that superheroes like thor, cap ect (whose are not peopl like Tony, Natasha ...), that they have faster sences. I would love to have normal argument about this topic... Have a nice day :-)
You were missing the point of the tractor-beam argument. Tractor beams travel WITH you, they don’t function as a train.
So if Captain Marvel was flying at top speed then you're saying that Pepper Potts, Shuri, and Hope who are completely normal humans have mftl+ reaction and combat speeds?
no
She's on earth remember?
Let me join the rest.............. Ridiculous, thanks kudos for the effort put into the video, but still ridiculous, light attacks aren't necessarily light speed, reaction speed isn't the same as moving speed, Quicksilver isn't light speed, neither is Thor, and not in a million years is Cap, my favourite character light speed 😂.
You do bring up very valid points, but I still feel like it questionable whether or not faster than light speeds was the screenwriters/directors intentions due to the fact that normal human characters are commonly seen trading blow for blow with the heroes, meaning almost every human in the MCU has realitivistic combat speed, currently possible but also very questionable. It important to take “author intention” into account.
Well in fictional verse Doesn’t matter if a human does it, and name a human who does relevistic speed for humans in mcu?
@mommatthew2756 name the characters
It's fiction, remember?
Can you give me a source for electro electricity please 🙏. I believe they also state he uses electro magnet waves which move at the speed of light
Bro, this doesn't make any sense💀💀
Not a argument
3:44
Official source
Nah they can't even spell properly
He soughts to wipe them out
What kind of grammar is this
Anyway you got this all of quora didn't you
You also don't understand what being relativistic to lightspeed entails to energy usage
4:00
Captain America threw his shield about 1/2 the distace of the beam of light over 4/3 of the time it took for the light to move.
So Captain America threw his shield 1.3m at 3/4 of the speed of light which is 2.25*10^8
So the time with which he threw his shield was 1.3/2.25*10^8
Which is 0.00000000578 seconds.
The shield is 5.4kg
The formula for Kinetic Energy is
0.5*mass*velocity^2
which is 0.5*5.4*(2.25*10^8)^2
which is 1.366875*10^17 joules
136,687,500,000,000,000 joules or 136, 000, 000, 000 megajoules
I literally do not have an anology to decribe how much energy that Capatian America put into the shield. But wait I do
= 1.666666666667 Hiroshima Bombs Explosion
Cap has punches that can level cities and burn surrounding buildings to ashes now
4:03
Ironman well
He cannot produce enough energy to react to light
Generally Heroes in the MCU according to you react to light every Thursday.
So lets lowball the figures to a hero moves 3cm to dodge a lazer from about 10m away.
The speed of light is 3*10^8
3cm:10m
3:1000, So the ratio of light to hero speed is that
3/1000 is 0.003
0.003*3*10^8 is 900,000
The kinetic energy of say Ironman doing this again these figures are extremely lowballed is
0.5*mass*Velocity^2
Say Ironmans Arm weighed about 15kg and with the help of his suit he moved it in time, the suit used
0.5*15*(900000)^2 joules
which is 6,078,000,000,000 joules or 6 Quadrillion joules
It is about 2 petawatts as
6,078,000,000,000 joules per 0.003 seconds is 2.026e+15 or
2025000000000000 watts
Which is 2.025 petawatts
Ironman cannot react to light as he does not posses enough energy
You see why I have problems with lightspeed scaling
crazy how this doesn’t debunk anything
also that ultron source is official; i believe it’s from the blurb on a toy figure or something. either way official
@@theblazingvoid6524 I mean it is physically impossible for Ironman to move at lightspeed because his powersource would not allow it
Are you gonna sit there and tell me Cap can vapourise buildings and level cities with a single punch. I mean that is debunk enough I think.
The official marvel website says Ultrons beams are energy beams, just that one source with poor grammar says it is light. Anyway where is its source can you show me it, I tried to find it and I could not.
Anyway quicksilver is stated to be clocked in at 400 m/s according to the director
How does quicksilver being 400 m/s be a similar speed to light?
How is caps head not a smear of gut on the wall if Quicksilver is running similar to light and hits him?
How does a man who is almost as fast as light get shot by bullets?
I get he was higher up when he got shot but that doesn't explain him being 800,000 times slower when he only went like 2000 km high
How does Ironman react to light when he does not posses enough energy to do so?
That beam is not light, the beam moves at around 1/3 the speed of sound on screen.
If it is light it has been speed up about 3 million times.
Cinematic timing? Thats a bit much right, using slo mo if your charecters are that fast
The bus on which cap and ultron fight is moving like mach 3000 if ultrons beam is light
That is not part of cinematic timing now is it?
There is also something called Plasma, just pure energy being let out, that it literally what is used in energy attacks
How can a human react to light, how does Iron man do it.
Can you even fathom the speed of light
Anyway if that beam is like 100m/s it makes sense how Cap was reacting to it,
It makes sense how quicksilver not running his fastest is comparable to it
It all makes sense if you accept that source is a mistake
Like the director said he clocked in at 400m/s, like how is that able to contend with lightspeed
Maybe you won't believe me but this is common use of physics and sense
I think that is enough debunk for now
@@theblazingvoid6524 I quite clearly debunked it I gave you the side effects of ligthspeed and I thought you would put two and two together and realise it wont work
@@agm65maverickmissile52 yes they can because they all upscale from these values and have feats on this level. you don’t think cap is even building level? 😂 completely disregarding any of his feats like throwing ultron into a pillar which is calculated at small building level and contending with characters like iron man who far exceeds this level.
“iron man’s power source would not allow it”
proof? i can provide you with moon - planetary level feats for iron man. that ain’t enough for you?
“quicksilver was stated to run 400 m/s by the director”
that’s an appeal to authority fallacy. and it’s contradictory with his onscreen feats which clearly show him being far above this level of speed. there’s a scan which confirms lightspeed to be in his degree of potential, and you are still yet to debunk the legitimacy of that ultron laser source
using this logic flash would be slower than bullets as long as zack snyder or someone in authority said so
iron man’s repulsors are literally stated to be light what more do u need
all your “debunks” are based on the fact that lightspeed scaling upscales everyone to levels which you unironically can’t seem to comprehend or process as plausible. every legitimate power scaler regards building level as fodder, and yet here you are wowing ur ass off at the thought of cap being able to output building busting forces with his punches, or withstanding attacks on these levels.
this just shows ur lack of experience in power scaling. none of ur points actually disprove the legitimacy of lightspeed scaling, all ur doing is explaining the implications of travelling at FTL speeds
@@theblazingvoid6524
Cap is small pillar level not building level, the feat I said puts him at large city level
"completely disregarding any of his feats like throwing ultron into a pillar which is calculated at small building level"
How is that small building level? That is max small wall level, it is actually a large pillar level
The Shield feat puts Captain America at large city level becuase of light speed reaction...
Against Ultron on the Bus
Captain America threw his shield about 1/2 the distace of the beam of light over 4/3 of the time it took for the light to move.
So Captain America threw his shield 1.3m at 3/4 of the speed of light which is 2.25*10^8
So the time with which he threw his shield was 1.3/2.25*10^8
Which is 0.00000000578 seconds.
The shield is 5.4kg
The formula for Kinetic Energy is
0.5*mass*velocity^2
which is 0.5*5.4*(2.25*10^8)^2
which is 1.366875*10^17 joules
136,687,500,000,000,000 joules or 136, 000, 000, 000 megajoules
= 1.666666666667 Hiroshima Bombs Explosion
Cap has punches that can level cities and burn surrounding buildings to ashes now
Bro is definetely not small building level from this
That feat puts him at City level minimum, this only occurs if Ultrons beam is light, no cinematic timing or whatever excuse you will whip up
Now onto why Ironman cannot react to light
Proof his energy source will not allow it
So lets lowball the figures so Ironman moves 3cm to dodge a lazer from about 10m away.
Consider Ironman reacts to light from much closer and is able to move much more than 3cm, this means the energy needed to react to light in the instances he does would drastically increase so you can consider this a lowball
The speed of light is 3*10^8
The ratio of Ironmans movement to Lights is
3cm:10m so Ironman is this case is moving 3/1000 of the distance light is
3:1000, So the ratio of light to hero speed is that
3/1000 is 0.003
0.003*3*10^8 is 900,000= That is how fast Ironman must move to evade the lightsource
The kinetic energy of say Ironman doing this again these figures are extremely lowballed is
0.5*mass*Velocity^2
Say Ironmans Arm weighed about 15kg and with the help of his suit he moved it in time, the suit used
0.5*15*(900000)^2 joules
which is 6,078,000,000,000 joules or 6 Quadrillion joules
It is about 2 petawatts as
6,078,000,000,000 joules per 0.003 seconds is 2.026e+15 or
2025000000000000 watts
Which is 2.025 petawatts
Ironman cannot react to light as he does not posses enough energy
In the film he says he has 3 gigajoules of energy
that is 3*10^9 or
3000000000 which is much less than 2 petawatts
I specifically used these calculations as people say Ironman has an energy source of 5 petawatts from a comic tie in and still he cannot react to light more than twice without using up all his energy. This is if you do not factor in efficiency and assume that there is no resistance and energy lost as heat
Hence Ironman cannot react to light as he does not have enough energy to accelerate.
"i can provide you with moon - planetary level feats for iron man. that ain’t enough for you"
What now you are really.. just what?
"that’s an appeal to authority fallacy. and it’s contradictory with his onscreen feats which clearly show him being far above this level of speed. there’s a scan which confirms lightspeed to be in his degree of potential, and you are still yet to debunk the legitimacy of that ultron laser source"
What onscreen feats? The only one is Outrunning ultrons beam and I appeal to Random dodgy source fallacy
"using this logic flash would be slower than bullets as long as zack snyder or someone in authority said so"
The problem is that no producer has ever said that, Marvel itself said that Ultrons beams are energy beams not light, So I again press for randon dodgy source fallacy that I cannot find the source of and which causes multiple outliers and goes against what the director said.
" every legitimate power scaler regards building level as fodder, and yet here you are wowing ur ass off at the thought of cap being able to output building busting forces with his punches, or withstanding attacks on these levels."
I am not saying Cap is building level, Yes I am new to this but I am saying if Ultrons beams are light then Cap is Large city level like Superman so you cannot say that is fodder mate.
You say I am saying something I have not said and you debunk that...
Not to mention that Bus moved slightly while Ultrons Beams moved as well
Does that mean the bus moves at massively Hypersonic + or whatever
No Idea what massively Hypersonic + is but it sounded right as the bus can clearly move at a fraction of the speed of light. I can not this because of cinematic timing, I can clearly see both light and the bus move so both are very very fast, much more than Superman I will tell you that much
Again let me ask you why is Captain America not a bloody sludge over a wall if quicksilver is moving lightspeed while hitting Cap, huh?
Is his durability like continental or something
So you're telling me that some asgardians speed are 3 trillion times ftl I have a hard time believing that even though you completely proved it
Saying lightning is anywhere close to the speed of light is wrong, while lightning from a storm is around 270,000 mph, light itself is around 671,000,000. Lightning isnt even a 10% let alone 50%
where in the video did we say lightning=light??
If your referring to electro, he clearly said electricity and mentioned nothing of lighting being light speed.
@@theblazingvoid6524 time stamp(s): 8:40 to 8:56
@@Axel-nm7st He makes it sounds that lightning and electricity have some sort of difference from the sound of it even though a lightning bolt is pure electricity, and I'm saying that saying electricity doesn't move at the speed of light because light and electricity are obviously 2 different things. Timestamps: 8:40 to 8:58
@@saiyanwarrior5056
If a lighting bolt is pure electricity (which it isn’t) it would be moving at speeds comprable to that of light making them light speed, but they aren’t lightspeed.
So just because electricity isn’t light your saying it can’t be light speed?
That’s like saying because a laser isn’t light it can’t move as fast as light, when it clearly does.
Regardless, he provided a variety of sources which prove them to be blatant lightspeed.
Mcu dormarmu is still the strongest being we’ve seen
Nah
Wanda>
@@sharktopusvonjr2374 dormmamu negs
@@sharktopusvonjr2374dormammu makes her his mindless one
@@Zaacdrums Wanda > Infinity stones > Dormammu
So u telling me, to a normal person in the MCU watching the final battle in endgame, the battle would start and finish in 5 secs?
No. the initial part of Cap, Ironman, Thor teaming on Thanos could seem alot faster, but when Ironman gets hit by mjolnir, the initial hit should seem like nothing had happened, just a small line of light hitting ironman, and then ironman takes a few seconds falling. several moments like Scarlet Witch vs. Thanos should look waaaay faster except the part where thanos pins scarlet witch down. And captain marvel fight. The part where Cap beats up Thanos should look like Cap is hitting Thanos with absolutely nothing. Just thanos getting hit by absolutely nothing.
this is because light is faster then the speed we precieve objects.
@@SuperGo699 how can someone be simultaneously smart and stupid I'll never know
𝕡𝕣𝕠𝕞𝕠𝕤𝕞 😁
Would you say it's wank if I said Strange and Wanda have inaccessible speed?
probably, MFTL+ seems more consistent to me. only characters who have consistent inaccessible scaling are dormammu, alioth, celestials, dark elves, those who literally exist outside of time or pre-date it
maybe docter strange but not wanda and dr strange one went into the dark dimension twice so yeah
@@theblazingvoid6524Well I would say it’s a wank
This is the kind of channel I like "scaling" pls can u do more scaling like maybe characters feat like ikaris or anyone, u really know how to scale properly I always want to learn how to be a professional scaler, and mjolnir never reaches the sun in 2 second it didn't even reach the sun it came out of earth in 2 second and was still going for like 20 second and Thor and Malaki was still fighting the Thor summon it back, but I really likw your scaling 🤴🏼
Appreciated. Although the Mjolnir feat is legit, the movie clearly shows it next to the sun and flying back to earth in under 2 seconds. Look at the calcs linked below for more info
@@theblazingvoid6524 ok
@@theblazingvoid6524 great scaling bro
@@theblazingvoid6524 Mjolnir was nowhere near the Sun. Look at the size of the Earth on the left when Mjolnir was leaving and the size of the Sun when Mjolnir changed it's direction back to the Earth.
If it was near the Sun, the Sun would cover the entire screen.
And if Earth is seen from the Moon it would look like a Moon but slightly bigger.
If it's seen from the Sun, it would look like a tiny bright dot.
The calculation you provided is only valid if it matches what's shown on-screen.
I haven't seen video as inconsistent as this for a loooong time, and from what I just read in the comment section, you are just hopelessly trying to defend your opinion and in the video you're using only the information that support your believes, thanks to all the commenters who aren't just mindless sheeps :)
This is head cannon scaling complete bull shit
Cope harder
Bro do u think Wanda MCU according to what we have seen in MoM is capable of competing a Celestial in MCU?
Definitely
But the thing is we don’t know whether Wanda survives or not. At that time, she was almost as powerful as a celestial.
Quicksilver reacting to beams of light but dying to gun shot wounds 😂
Outlier
@@omglol9571yet it's actually consistent
@@josephp95explain the consistency
@@omglol9571 quicksilver seeing a bullet come from below
He also gets shot by a bullet
Consistent
@@josephp95 that's literally one time and you says it's consistent
It's nice to know that there are people who know that MCU characters are faster than light
innit
But they are not😂
@@ondrabubak1404 they’re
@mommatthew2756 they’re lmao
@mommatthew2756 doesn’t matter it’s fictional why are you so pressed about it?
But can they challenge the speed of Loki who speeds through time?
but in the dictionary shows a different grenade, in the movie they used different shaped grenades
Also
Mjolnir was not even close to sun bcz even earth was looking larger than sun
So i can be he
30-40% distamce it covered 👽
Regardless of it not being close to the sun that doesn’t debunk it being MFTL during that said scene, even more so we actually see the light of the sun getting brighter indicating that mjolnir was getting closer.
@@Axel-nm7st bro mjolnir traveled 1700 km above earths surface that doesnt seem much closer to the sun :D
@@Axel-nm7st The light of the Sun gets brighter because that's how it would look if you point a camera at a light source and then the source comes into focus, the light shrinks and the light source can be seen clearly.
They showed it in the movie realistically.
We see Thor calling Mjolnir more than 20 seconds after he threw it.
When he called, Mjolnir was leaving the Earth, and on the left you can see Earth being clearly big.
And then when Mjolnir changes it's direction back to the Earth, the full Earth is in view, and it's so big.
So why would Mjolnir start to go MFTL 20 seconds later Thor throws it and even that after he calls it back?
Like what's the reason for it go near the Sun at MFTL+ after he calls it back?
Think. And please don't come up with an answer like, "It's fiction anything is possible"
@@arunk2710 It’s fiction anything is possible basically
@@Axel-nm7st Read the last line in my previous reply. It's unedited. You commented the same thing. Either you read it and made that reply intentionally or you didn't read my reply fully.
"Anything is possible in fiction" seems to be the answer for things in fiction that people can't explain.
You should at least explain how Mjolnir was anywhere near the Sun when what's shown on-screen is different. I explained about the brightness of the Sun.
And if it was actually near the Sun, the entire screen wouldn't be enough to fit it. The whole screen should be covered by the Sun.
And, as I said before, it doesn't make sense for Mjolnir to suddenly travel to the Sun after he called it back when it was just near the Earth.
Do you know what the source for Ultron’s laser?
So he hid the timestone on a star? U learn new things everyday
Most of all these feats are highly inconsistent and lead to huge problems
Like what?
@@theblazingvoid6524 black widow and other characters who are highlighted as humans react to characters u claim are light speed which would make them light speed also just cuz they Dodge a few lazers
Lemme give u any instance tony stark is still human so has human speed/ reaction so thanos or any super soldier who blocks his repulser would have zero problems blocking his attacks so thanos blocking a few lazer beams from an injured tony stark doesn't make thanos light speed majority of the light based feats thanos had he was clearly aim dodging/blocking the only context I saw of thanos blocking light after it has been fired was that garden scene debatable
And the second time was the girl power scene where they all fired their lazers watch that scene in slow motion thanos saw the beam tried to react but failed miserably
Also u claim that carol was flying at top speed when thanos threw his sword but every single light based attack from the girls flew right pased her also the girls where clearly moving while carol was moving also we have no claim that carol can fight same speed with her travel speed and her travel speed is not really clear and reliable cuz when she flew to the kree space ship and back to earth she was terribly slow Superman had similar scene in bvs when he was carrying doomsday and when he returned from the nuke attack he flew 3 times faster than carol in similar scene and the 2 times we saw her do space travel was in captain marvel and endgame in both instance she clearly used jump gates I hate mcu for things like this why can't they make things clear
Also mcu characters u buffed to be light speed consistently got taged by bullets thor in AOU captain America severely hulk a character like mcu thor don't tell me it's just visuls cuz that's what you used to calc the top speed of mjolmir and stamp it every where after everything I've seen in the mcu I would never agree that a character like mcu thor can fight at light speed it's impossible he may fly at those speed but without his hammer he's just slowdison
@@LoneWolf-el5oy I’m missing the part where black widow ever kept up with a lightspeed character. Who has she ever engaged with in 1 on 1 combat besides Hawkeye and random dons? You seem to mistake us scaling all the major characters to lightspeed as scaling everyone to lightspeed. Obviously not everyone in the verse is that fast, but to claim that those who have literally dodged light aren’t lightspeed is pretty dumb
Your analogy on stark is also bs since you’re missing the part where the armour grants him superhuman abilities which he could never before do without it, and that includes speed. The armour obviously enhances his reflexes and combat speed just like with his physicality. Have you ever even watched any of these movies?
Your attempted debunk on Thanos blocking lasers is also poor. Makes no sense, iron man fired a lightspeed laser at him and Thanos blocked it.
“He was clearly aim dodging/blocking light after it has been fired”
What is this even supposed to mean? Ur obviously just trying to come up with excuses since you know he blatantly reacted to light and don’t want to admit to it.
I can just call that instance where he was tagged by rescue and wasps lasers an outlier as he’s clearly been shown reacting to lightspeed attacks more often than not
All your other points are just blatant appeals to cinematics, so I won’t bother debunking them. You clearly haven’t watched the video or bothered to look into any of the said feats since you still use cinematics to deny blatant FTL and MFTL feats all because they don’t “look lightspeed”. You do realise if that was the case and speed scaling in fiction was based on cinematic timing then literally no one would be lightspeed; I mean it’s not like heat vision is exactly any different to mcu lasers cinematic wise. And using ur logic, since I can perceive superman flying and process his combat speed frame by frame, that would make him massively below lightspeed. In fact he’d only be subsonic for that matter, and so would everyone in the Dceu and the mcu. Since I can visually make out and process their movements then surely their beneath the speed of sound right?
You see how retarded that sounds?
@@LoneWolf-el5oy “without his hammer he’s just slowdinson”
Tell that to the guy who catches and reacts to said hammer with MFTL flight speed on a daily basis, the guy who casually blocked lightspeed lasers from the destroyer, dodged multiple lightspeed iron man repulsors, kept up with a speedster who perceives literal light in slow mo, dodged a sword with a throwing speed that exceeds that of a woman who can fly across a thousand lightyears in under 24 hours, scales massively above the spider men who can effortlessly dodge and statue lightspeed electric beams, keeping up with characters who can instantaneously retrieve objects from across multiple lightyears, block photon blasts, statue lightning, move and fight within a timeless void, literally exist before time itself, I mean you can decide for yourself but to me the facts seem quite clear 🤷🏽♂️
@@theblazingvoid6524 oh here we go black widow has fought/ react with bucky and Hawkeye has fought with black panther who both scale to cap who scales to thanos and they did this easily if you are to make thanos a light speed character you'll have to make her same with Hawkeye majority of mcu characters can react to each other the only true mcu characters that can blitz other characters is Quicksilver and captain marvel can you see the ripple effect your logic creates also black widow dodged a couple of repulser attacks from Ultron bots in AOU now with your logic I've gotten enough evidence to call her a light speed character doing this is clearly the appealing to cinematics you've been preaching about Just cuz Thor dodged/blocked repulser fire/lazer it's just cinematics characters do this all the time Batman did it in justice league Same with cyborg this doesn't mean that they are light speed even a train from the boys dodged starlight attacks with your logic of appealing to cinematics one could claim a train is light speed looking at the lore of the series and how he's been portrayed a train isn't even close to light speed Hope you can see your hypocrisy
When I do something like this I'm appealing to cinematics but when you do it it's perfectly ok no be honest with yourself do you see mcu thor/thanos replicating wonder womans bullet timing scene in justice league why do you want to make mcu thor light speed so bad it really hurts my brain thinking of such thing it doesn't compute at all thor isn't a speed star and he will never be period.
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But quick silver was killed by bullets
Ignoring context I see
Also that was some outlier bs
Outlier
that was just plot bs
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Finally, someone who knows their stuff.
Btw, where do you think MCU characters are in terms of flight and travel speed?.
It really varies. Captain Marvel, Thor and Makkari are easily MFTL+ for both travel and combat/reaction speed. Quicksilver is arguably just as fast, however more consistently he’s relativistic-FTL
@@theblazingvoid6524 Good point 👍. Now it makes me wish we could have seen Quicksilver become the fastest man alive like Flash. We saw how powerful Wanda became so I can only imagine how fast Quicksilver would have been.
@@epiccraftmine4976 precisely. Felt like they killed him off just because they had to get rid of someone lmao
@@theblazingvoid6524 Actually it was because at the time FOX owned the rights to the X-Men and the fact that they already had a Quicksilver in their film series.
@@epiccraftmine4976 acc yh that’s true
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tf is this
It's a joke
Fax
6:26 you know whats crazy is that key issue used that excuse he is always trying to be bias to the mcu in plainsite and downplay them
Excalty, I love Key issues videos but the guy loves to downplay the hell out of the MCU, especially when comparing it to the DCEU.
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How convenient “cinematic timing” is. Speed can be anything you want regardless if the scene is playing out in real time, because “it’s just slowed down for the viewers”, despite the fact… there are already slow motion scenes SPECIFICALLY for the Speedster characters…
crazy how that doesn’t improve ur case for cinematic timing being the one and only way to scale speed lmao, i hope you realise that if we went down that route then basically every character in fiction would be average human level in speed
but sure let’s just ignore the countless scans and statements proclaiming lightspeed attacks and feats such as flying to the centre of the universe in favour of what ur slow af brain has to say about it
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The difference is the MCU is specifically grounded in a “real world” style AND has specific slow motion scenes SPECIFICALLY to show something going real fast. Are we to just ignore these scenes? Because “Cap is totally faster than light- oh, uh, ignore the fact he got blitzed by someone comparable to bullets”.
Just because something is called light, or is related to light, doesn’t make it lightspeed. Especially when said thing is reacted to by people FAR slower than bullet timing, as they get blitzed by someone who’s only slightly faster than bullets. Or, what? Is everyone suddenly faster than Quicksilver? What kind of juice did they drink between movies??
You pick and choose what is “valid” but refuse to accept the fact you are wrong.
Flying to the centre of the universe isn’t a feat; it’s magic and no one scales to it.
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 saying the mcu is grounded in “real world style” has to be one of the dumbest arguments i’ve ever heard; fiction is fiction, regardless of how “real” it may seem to you (L on that part) the rules of the real world do not apply to something established as fiction. cinematic timing is universally agreed upon by any legitimate power scaler as meaningless in the means of speed/power scaling. like i said, if we went down that route then lasers and lightning beams would be less than subsonic in speed, and characters established to run at FTL speeds would be the same as you can perceive their movements. you unironically contradicted yourself with the “real world style” bs lool
a slo-mo scene does not change any of that either, literally what does this prove? all it does is highlight that someone is moving considerably faster than everyone else around them; it in no way disproves lightspeed scaling lmao
“cap got blitzed by someone comparable to bullets”
then name them. cap and those comparable to him have clearly been shown as consistent bullet timers, legit even the lowest tiers in the verse like black widow and hawkeye can do so, so for them to suddenly get blitzed by “someone comparable to bullets” makes no sense. we scale cap to relativistic based on him reacting to what’s clearly stated to be lightspeed attacks
“just because something is called light, or related to light, doesn’t make it lightspeed”
then explain to me how before you tell me that a beam of light isn’t lightspeed, lol
if someone “far slower than bullet timing” reacts to said lightspeed attack, that doesn’t suddenly make it slower than light, it’s just an outlier in the case of said character
no, not everyone is faster than quicksilver. at the time of age of ultron quicksilver was the fastest around as it’s established, but since then other characters have progressed along with the rest of the verse and have gotten better speed feats, while quicksilver never got to do so cuz he was killed off. so by now he’s not the fastest
“flying to the centre of the universe isn’t a feat; it’s magic and no one scales to it”
tf u sayin it’s magic? literally where tf did u think that one up from 😂 she literally flew there whilst riding on valkyrie’s horse and wielding mjolnir. so it literally does scale to other characters
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So when are you going to show the clip of Cap outrunning a sniper rifle bullet down a street? 🤔 I’ll wait for it. Should be easy for him if he’s even 1% comparable to light speed.
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 i’m not talking about running speed you goon, i’m talking about his combat/reaction speed which is clearly shown to be relativistic+
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The fasterst of mcu IS galactus from what if
Galactus isn’t in what If
@@mittens4385 yes he is in 8 epizod seriál what if He eat all galaxy in 23 minutes watch it
@@slavialusk127 that's called Ultron
@@manofiron5934 no youre wrong normally watch what if or review and see
@@slavialusk127 what are you talking about man it's clearly Ultron in the what if , Galactus has never appeared in mcu yet
Nice video. Do you think some MCU MFTL speed feats are inconsistent?
No, FTL scaling is very clearly consistent. I’d agree that inaccessible scaling is a little questionable for the majority of the verse, but it’d be silly to deny characters like Dormammu and Alioth are inaccessible when they literally exist outside time
@@theblazingvoid6524 I’d say it’s a bit inconsistent because quick silver was able to move as similar speed to Ultrons light beams, but Wheaton said QS was able to move around the speed of a bullet. I think a lot of the speed feats aren’t exactly what the directors intended.
@@solcohen9042 That's the problem with film and tv verses. What is show on screen calculated isn't what the writer intends. Like with the Flash tv show scaling wise Flash has ran 120,000 times faster then light with calcs but they say he's sub light speed.
@@solcohen9042 wheaton had batman say superman was stronger than a planet and that wasn't in the snyder cut and snyder never confirmed that plus everything int hat movie is questionable
@@solcohen9042 me and jeremy moriis explained to you you kinda get the idea some dc and marvel writers is inconsistent
How Powerful are shang chi and wenwu?
Pretty powerful
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