The 10 Biggest Myths In MMA That Won't Go Away
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In this video, we break down the most persistent MMA Myths. And not just the easy ones that everyone knows are false now. Instead, we really tried to dig deep into what people currently believe about the sport. Whether it's ring rust, hydration testing, abstaining before fights, there's a ton to cover. Buckle up, grab some popcorn, and enjoy!
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The one that pisses me off the most is when people see a staredown and psychoanalyze it and think its gonna have anything to do with how the fight is gonna go
JJ doesn't always look at people during the staredowns and he's the goat.
Most times it means nothing but there have been a few where you can genuinely see someone snap. But they are very rare since everyone in the ufc has atleast a minimum amount of dog in them, yk.
Agreed. O’Malley looked nervous as heck during his walkout before the Sterling fight and he startched him. Sean Strickland looked weird during the face off vs Izzy and he outclassed him. Masvidal was very intense in his staredowns vs Kamaru and Colby and he got outclassed too.
You are shook 😂
I remember people saying Strickland wasn't go to beat Adesanya because Sean didn't even seem to want to do the face off.
"In boxing they don't tap out" he says while conveniently ignoring fighters who quit on their stools.
i remember watching a boxing title fight on tv when i was a kid and the undefeated champ just quit on his stool
since then i always have it in the back of my mind that boxers are WAY more likely to be quitters than in any other combat sport
i cant remember any kickboxing or muay thai fights i watched that ended by someone just quitting in between rounds
Or just don't get up after a knockdown. Just stay down for the 10 count.
theres a man that has a nickname now from making so many stop visily "no mas" "no more" lomachenko like what is he actually thinking alot of people stop when they have to
In boxing you can take a knee. You do that in MMA and you're getting rekt.
Any Boxer will quit in a mma match when they get their legs obliterated because they don’t know how to check kicks.
Mark Coleman is awake, distraught about his puppy but grateful, hopefully Coleman recovers well
Was it barkin'?
@@kevincarter2020are you an idiot?
@@kevincarter2020is that an attempt at humour 🤔🙄
One of the most amazing stories of heroism I've ever seen. He was already a legend in the sport, but as a human being in general he's proved legendary too.
@kevincarter2020. Way to just tell everyone you have the brain of a chicken. Lmfao, seriously.
I’ve always understood “you gotta take it from the champ” to mean the tie goes to the champ.
Yeah, it doesn't. Or at least it shouldn't be
This is what it means to me. Rounds too close to call should be given to the champ. A draw would mean the champ keeps the belt so the same should apply for each round.
@@Bedwards42 They shouldn't. They shouldn't inherently be given to anyone. Except the one judge feels like he did a big more.
@@matepavic6929I didn’t say I necessarily agree with the thinking, it’s just always been what I thought people meant when they make the statement.
We're on the same page there but you've got to admit though that the champ being counted out or disqualified meaning the belt doesn't change hands is a really weird and unfair rule.
The checkmate analogy is just.... (*chef's kiss*) so well put
Fr fr
Why? The ufc is fake
prayers for mark coleman 🙏
he awake and breathing on his own 🙏
absolute hero@@tedor7988
Rip to his dog. Hope mark gets through this🙏🏽
RIP Lil hammer
Lol yeah because fucking prayers help 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Boxers after running away for 10 2 minute rounds: “how dare you not let someone rip your arm off?”
Why don’t you let your opponent just knock you out? You’re a quitter for dodging punches
That Fucking Stupid idea bugged me too.. Nobody just taps and quits cause they want to; they're about to get a limb torn apart in no time, and it's either permanent damage or not, plus the loss..
Just to add to your point, Robbie Lawler had just went 10 Rounds with Johny Hendricks between the 2 Rory McDonald wars, before the Carlos Condit classic, which sure as hell contributed to the Tyron Woodley KO loss. 23 straight FOTN rounds is probably 18 too many in the first place.
Yeah, I think putting it all on one fight as opposed to an entire career seems a bit hyperbolic. Outside of a life-changing injury like a leg being broken, it's hard to see one fight being to blame.
Lawler was a beast .
So I guess Max Kellerman in his 20+ years of covering boxing has never seen a towel thrown in the ring?
im a casual and didnt realise fighters could quit on their stools until way late into it. i saw a video on no mas chenko making fighters quit and thought "wtf". ive never seen this before does this really happen? how can you make a fighter quit on the stool? whereas mma like 2 fights in on the card these guys were tapping / gassing out quick.
To give him a bit of credit, I think he's saying it's not as routinely a part of boxing where multiple fighters on a card in a night will tap, vs how there might be one towel thrown in a boxer's career. Which is also done by the corner, not the fighter. Wilder famously protested the stoppage with Fury for instance.
Even still I agree with you and disagree with Max obviously, just trying to give him a fair shake is all.
@@MMAOnPoint Solid point.
I'm biased, I think a lot of it goes down to statistics, in mma there's submissions as well as all the other ways to win (ko, decision, ref/dr stoppage, corner??) But in boxing you really are either beat up 12 rounds or its ko city, not too many chances to tap, with the constant head blows (where mma mixes it up, pardon the pun)
Did we not see Ryan garcia not get up from a kidney shot. He took a knee and sat there. Try that in mma. Lol
Thank you! I hate the “you have to TAKE it from the champ” and “I’m close title fights, give it to the champ”. No, because if the champ is soooo good, it SHOULD NOT BE CLOSE. So if the new guy comes in and does just enough, he’s the champ. Hell, he might even go on a streak, or he could lose his first defense. Doesn’t matter, that man/woman beat the champ.
8:07 regarding fighters being quitters/tap outs - this quote implies boxers don’t quit on their stools all the time? Or like their corners throwing in the towel. It’s not quitting, it’s living to fight another day
The way to fix weight cutting is to have the guys not only weigh in on Friday but also weigh in right before they fight.
Or right after they leave the cage.
Guys that fight at welterweight might enter the cage weighing 190 lbs. Your weight entering the cage should correspond to your weight division. It would make things a lot safer
Ring Rust is kinda real. But it's not directly correlated to how long you've been off vs. how well you do, but rather what you do during your time off. Gsp stays in incredible shape and consistently trains to stay healthy and showed it in his return.
A fighter who is recovering from an injury and can't train because it might have ring rust, but thats because they couldn't be training consistently.
It's not the time off but rather what you have been doing during that time.
It is real
ring rust by definition is time spent away from the ring. its not real. what you described is training rust or sparring rust. someone that hasnt sparred in a while like max holloway will usually lose to a guy thats been sparring a lot.
Dom Cruz disproves everything you just said. Ring rust isn't real.
@@johnmarkson1998 Max Holloway has beaten multiple people since he stopped sparring. You make no sense. Stick to watching WWE.
@@Cilent__ if you think stopping sparring is some magic recipe to win every fight then youre wrong. max would lose every fight if he didnt spar like crazy growing up as a kid.
for life altering fight part how was micheal bisping not mentioned
He’s the poster child for that for sure
MVPs skull breaking knee
@imaXkillXya That is the first fight I thought of. After lookin at an X-ray of that man's scull you might think he actually is a Cyborg!
There is a way to predict fights.
1: listen to Brendan Schaub.
2: Pick the opposite guy.
If you don't wish to endure hearing Brendan Schaub talk, Chael Sonnen and Drake are acceptable alternatives for step 1.
Hahaha damnit. Need to start trying that!
Saying ring rust is a myth is wild
Yeah most of the examples used are dudes pretty much people recognized as the top fighters in their respective weight classes. I can’t agree with that.
Would getting banged out in the street equate to “street rust”?
No, you just got banged out.
I’m pretty sure it’s this channel but they sampled over 1000 MMA fighters and took into account time off and win to loss ratio etc. and concluded that it wasn’t real
It depends. A guy who never spars but does drills will show more signs of ring rust than the guy who is sparring and going live more often. Hitting mitts and riding a bike will only do so much if you are not ready for a moving target that is also hitting you back
Well dom cruz disagrees
Lack of knock downs as in boxing and kickboxing/thai automatically makes mma way safer than these sports.
This is the most brain dead comment there are more injuries in fighting of all kinds then head injuries
Boxings issue is multiple concussions as the ref stops the fight and gives the KOd guy time to get back up to get KOd again
@@ajpajunen6855 the most important injuries happen to the brain in these sports
@@ajpajunen6855 There are more injuries on the playground than on oil rigs, but which do you think is more dangerous?
If you didn't understand what I meant by this, the injuries you sustain for non-head wounds are less detrimental to your health in most cases, so just because there are "more injuries in fighting of all kinds(playground)" doesn't mean that it is inherently less safe. I'd rather have a mixture of injuries than getting almost K.O'd, let up again with wobbly legs and a weakened guard, then knocked out cold(Oil rig).
Look at Ngannou's fight against AJ; he gets knocked down, recovers enough to stand, and then gets knocked tf out, making the K.O more brutal than it would've been with some ground and pound.
@@SomethingSomethingCompletebut herrings your limbs hyperextended or having oxygen supplies cut off from your brain isn’t really safe either
Poor Terry Etim. He’s never going to be able to run away from that epic Barbosa head kick.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose MMA ain't a fairy tale. Hope Terry is doing well ❤
@@random__joe - I sure hope he's doing better, last I heard he jumped out of a car in Liverpool and threw himself in front of a bus and was seriously injured, was rushed to the hospital covered in blood and spent a couple months there...
Ayo that chess and tap out analogy is so on point
The biggest myth is "the rules are favorable for everyone", they clearly favor wrestlers and it's not even up for debate.
That's in fact debatable, in the UFC they do favour wrestlers but you got cases in ONE FC for example where they actually penalize wrestlers on extremely shaky grounds, calling just about any back toss "spiking" and ruining the results of fair fights, just cause they want kickboxing matches with tiny gloves. Every promotion has shitty rules, they simply vary depending on geography.
Oh yeah like that rule where if someone can’t get a takedown in a few minutes they just make them get on the ground, or that other rule where if they end the round off the ground they make them start on the ground, or maybe that OTHER rule where if a guy who is on the bottom can foul without consequences in order to keep the Ref from standing them up.
VERY tilted in the wrestlers favor let me tell ya
The only rule that favors wrestlers is the ban on knees to downed opponents.
Other than that the rules favor damage a whole lot more than control time and takedowns.
It doesn’t matter how many times a striker gets takedown in a round if they’re out -striking and out-damaging the wrestler
@@FunkyFlunky2332 ah yes the mythical pride knees, nevermind that those were pretty much only used by wrestlers and typically then only against worse wrestlers. And as far as control time over damage if they weren't being reset between rounds or when nothing constructive happened wrestlers would be even more dominant than strikers, a striker gets to start where they have the advantage and the match gets replaced there after five minutes no matter how badly he is losing.
@@FunkyFlunky2332 Not true. The 12 to 6 non authorized elbow is another rule favouring wrestlers. Someone shoot into your legs, you are not authorized to elbow is head or spinal column with the most obviously powerful elbow at your disposal.
Ring rust depends on how many fights you've had previously and if you continued training in between
Ring Rust is absolutely a real thing. Not sure what this guy is smoking.
Context is always needed
@@dqrepshe's saying that he can't find a fight in which it happened. A bunch of fights show that it doesn't exist. None that do.
@@dqreps its really not because how does ring rust affect you from training? undertaker has said fighting once a year is harder then wrestling everyday cause your out of shape but thats a different sport. just spar mma everyday and you will be fine taking even 5 year breaks. the only argument is "getting used to the crowd" and thats a shitty one unless the fighter has social anxiety disorder like lesnar does.
@@johnmarkson1998lmao don't you ever bring up wrestlers when talking about real combat sports. Get outta here
The chess analogy to describe tapping is perfect.
It could go a little further even, at high level if there's a guaranteed checkmate within a few moves that both players can clearly see, the losing player will often just concede because the game is already determined.
"to be the champ you gotta beat the champ"
The worst one.
Like the defending champ has a different scoring criteria to follow that makes it easier for him to win.
Title is essentially vacant when the bell rings.
I thought that was always in reference to a draw
@FuntClaps101 I think low level thinkers assume this is because of judging criteria. Anyone with a half functioning brain knows it means in case of a draw. Some may misuse it but I believe you're in the first category
TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
@@FuntClaps101 it depends if the judges are actually scoring it like that. damage is supposed to be more important but judges are inconsistent and only follow that rule like 80% of the time for some reason. jon jones benefited from the you gotta beat the champ rule for example.
Ring Rust in professional wrestling has always referred to out of training and action from injury. I assume it would be the same in MMA. The examples you gave I assume went back to training before their fight hence they didn't have much ring rust because they started training again. They got back into the groove of it.
I'm not as familiar with the pro wrestling side of it, but like the Jones example Dana was just saying before Jones talked in the clip I used, that he believed Ring Rust could be a factor in the fight with Gane. And that was despite knowing Jones was training the whole time. His clips of training for heavyweight had been shared everywhere for several years as well as the word about his commitment to it among the community. For guys like Dana, it's absolutely a belief in actually going out there and dealing with not even just the fight, but the pressure, the media, bright lights, etc.
Regarding number 1, not only did Mike Tyson have sex before fights, but he would have sex in the locker room minutes before his fights. He said that he felt like if he didn't, he would kill his opponent.
Wild shit haha!
But, why would he have that sex with guys?
Yeah shame it wasnt consensual
Mike being weird when it comes to sex? I don’t believe it
@nattyfatty6.0 Habibi, please stop being cringe.
The "you have to beat the man" rule existed for jon Jones when fought Reyes
I consider "you gotta beat the champ.." is talking about a draw
ring rust is a thing. You names a bunch of legends as your example. Unicorns. Not the same. You take time off from anything you’re gonna be rusty.
The checkmate analogy to tapping is exactly right. Kellerman will immediately understand if and when he does his first hard spar in a BJJ class. You don’t even have to try MMA. And there’s checkmate in boxing or any other striking martial art. It’s called a TKO. It’s when the referee, who has a tonne of experience in knowing when a fighter is done, says you’re done. The fact that it happens by third party intervention rather than tap isn’t actually that important.
Dudes saying Strickland didn't do enough to keep his belt are the same ones saying Jones did enough to beat Reyes
3 is absolutely true,
Fighters get their ass beat so bad they come back a shell of their former self.
Or sometimes sustain injuries
that are career altering/ending.
I love that Tyson Fury blamed ring rust for being out of the ring for a year.. fighting a guy that hadn’t fought in almost two years but in a different sport and had NEVER fought in a boxing ring
Francis got sent back to MMA already by Joshua.
My personal theory is that, the doofus didn’t practice at all. I think he MAYBE stayed in decent shape considering he doesn’t have such a pretty body, (all his fights), so he was prolly running a bit. Or maybe hitting the bag here and there, but the dude performed like he got off the couch, so convinced he was gonna clutch. And realistically, he shoulda. But here’s a case where hard work beats talent. Because Francis took it serious and practiced and worked out. In my opinion, Francis beat a dude who most likely didnt show up to practice at all. Like not one fuckin bit
I think the ring rust one doesn't fit in with the other 9. Yes, ring rust is a thing and acting as if because so and so beat so and so after a certain period of time makes it untrue that a long period of inactivity in doing something makes one worse at it. The reality of ring rust is that it probably plays a smaller part than most people think it does in the outcome of a fight but it's still definitely a factor and I think it's silly to act like it outright doesn't exist.
This guy has some kind of problem with colloquial phrases and he takes things too literally.
I love UFC but that is second closest to WWE, the sport aspect is so bad. There is no title structure, we have seen time and time again of people who beat tomato cans and get title shots. Love it as a whole, and would keep watchin every PPV I can. But that is the true
its the vince mcmahon model. basically push your big stars into big positions. even if they arent the most talented (guys like stone cold undertaker the rock john cena are terrible in the ring compared to chris benoit, bret hitman hart, cm punk etc)
@@johnmarkson1998 yeah exactly. Don't get me wrong I like to watch the fights where there is a bit of bad blood. But that ain't sport, and I'm not gonna lie to myself about it.
I don't think, in most cases, people mean a fighter is fundamentally *worse* after a career-changing fight, just *different* in some way.
If a title fight goes to a DRAW. The belt should go to the defender (champion).
This is what they mean by “the challenger has to take it from the champion”
Totally agree
Spoiler: #1 - jiu jitsu isn’t real
Had to spoil that myth. It was time.
i think you skewed the “beat the man” myth a bit. It’s not that you rewrite the rules so challengers can’t win decisions. It’sin a close fight where it’s perceived to be very even (more like a draw), The champion should always retain.
That doesn't make any sense because fights are scored by round.
MMA And boxing may be equally as dangerous.But no man's skull has ever been crushed in boxing 💀☠️
To use the *goat* as an example of an average, is... unacceptable.
Uriah Hall said he was never the same after his vicious KO on the tough series. He said he was scared of his own power, and held back a lot of the time after that fight.
The "tough" series
TUF
Nah, I don't believe it, he knocked out guys after that fight and was celebrating. The only reason he lost those fights is because he wasn't the better fighter not because he held back, like the dude thinks he's Goku or something.
@@colindowden2182most definitely! Not tryna demean any fighter, but it’s what you signed up for. Like if a soldier was upset he had to kill someone. It’s tough, but it’s literally what you signed up for. If your gonna stay, why avoid what your clearly here to do.
Georges St. Pimp isn't called that for nothing, lmao
You used to see those videos of him back in the day everywhere. He definitely toned down the public side of all that over time.
There's a difference between myth and unspoken rule. The first one is (and should be) an unspoken rule. If its a close decision, it should go to the champ.
Dude, #10 is absolutely true, *sometimes* . It's certainly not "untrue". This sh*t happens all the time, & literally *nobody* thought anyone meant in the *official rules* ...wtf?
One that is insanely overlooked is Bas Rutten coming back in July 2006 after not fighting since May 1999. Or even Chuck Liddell coming back after 8 and a half years, at 48 years old to KO Tito Ortiz’s knuckles
I disagree on the take for "Take it from the champ": Just due to the nature of MMA scoring, it's very hard for the fight to end in a Draw. In cases where the fight should be viewed as a draw, the champ should retain the belt. But since without point deductions or 10/8's, it's not likely to happen.
Exactly. His take in this video was just weird.
Depending on the fighter, ring rust is absolutely a real thing
8:28 Brendan Schaub at the table in a suit is hilarious. What the hell could he be doing in that room lol
yea lets see a boxer finally come over here and we'll see how long they keep that tapping is for quitters mindset
Some guys think ring rust isn't a thing but have been proven wrong. Kind of like Triple C coming back after a couple years and fighting the champ. He might have actually won if he'd taken a tune-up fight first.
Really? Against Aljo, Aljo is 5'11 and cejudo is 5'4 and was 37, then Merab made him look like a chew toy.
(Incase anyone doesn't understand this comment is a joke)
@@bazzascott8935 Dude, Aljo is 5 feet 7.
Im pretty sure it’s this channel but they took samples of over 1000 fighters and analysed wins to loses and took into account whether or not they had time off or not and there was no difference in win lose rate, Also Triple C is old… way beyond his prime
@@blastfiend7478 Win and loss doesn't tell you all. Their performance quality tells you more.
@@matepavic6929 not in that fight
U guys dig so deap, and elaborate so well. #1 mma Channel hands down.
Not even done yet and this is definitely one of your best videos ever.
So Duran’s no mas was not quitting
So the thing about “to be the champ, you gotta BEAT the champ.”, doesn’t mean you have to beat a champion more convincingly than a regular opponent. It just means the draw goes to the incumbent.
Example: If it’s clearly 2 rounds a piece going into the fifth, and the fifth is razor close, you give the round to the champion.
Fights do change fighters to a certain extent... For instance, once your chin gets cracked you're more likely to get knocked out again, and the more times it happens the more likely it is to happen again
The checkmate analogy is spot on and I'm unashamedly stealing it
A resign in chess is when you lay your king down and concede. That fits the tap out analogy much better. Edit; A checkmate its all ready over, more closely analogous to a knockout.
@@baronvonhoughton Using your logic surely a checkmate is more akin to a TKO then?
@tribecalledmason1917 Yeah man KO / TKO, no quitting possible it's already over.
Tell me you have never fought without telling me you have never fought. Ring rust affects different people in different ways. But it absolutely exists. And to say it doesn't is incredibly stupid and shows an utter lack of experience.
I'm not a fighter myself but I feel like you don't have to be to realize that this a thing that happen, even if it affect some more than others (and again maybe some not at all). Probably isn't limited to fighting but to any kind of sport or activity when you're put on the spot and you get nervous because you haven't done it in a long while. Seems like a natural psychological phenomenon. Of course, I'm sure the opposite can happen too on some occasions, when you get *too* comfortable and lose that nervousness that keep you on your toes.
So yeah, it's a complicated psychological phenomenon and definitely not something that statistically will always go against someone who hasn't fought in a while, but just because it's hard to show statistically doesn't mean it isn't real. Very silly point.
I think it's more that it doesn't effect people who are already world class fighters
I understand Dana. If the title fight is 50/50, could go either way, the champ shouldn’t lose the belt that way. We’re kind of used to the judges being biased like if it’s 50/50 in a fighters home country they rarely lose a split decision. To beat the champ you should have to really beat the champ or it’s a successful title defend.
Im sorry sean lost, but the notion the champ should have an advantage going into the fight just because he is champion is honeslty dumb
@@traviswright7628 Sean beat Dricus up more than dricus beat Sean up. Could’ve gone either way but imo Sean “defended” his belt. In Grasso vs Valentina, even tho the fight was called a draw grasso walks home with the belt that’s kinda a successful defense.
The champ doesn't lose the belt if it is truly 50-50 dum dum. A tie means the champ retains.
A non fighter, non athlete made this list
In relation to "ring rust" I believe Cain Velasquez is one case that has given material to make this myth grow: has a huge win over Brock Lesnar, was out for one year out, and then lost in 1 minute against JDS; then makes a great fight against Bigfoot Silva, gets the title back from JDS in great fashion, makes two defenses in rematches with Bigfoot and JDS... then stays two years out, and loses the title against Fabricio Werdum; and in his next fight gets a dominant victory against Travis Browne in UFC 200; then stays out for 3 years and gets knocked out in 26 seconds against Francis Ngannou. All this history gives the feeling that ring rust happens and when it goes away the fighter makes again great fights. I totally agree that ring rust is not something objectively real, but there are cases where it seems to be something that happens to especific fighters.
Also Cain vs JDS is example of fight that changed fighters life. Junior was never the same after trilogy.
Well, non-ufc fighters being not that good has some merit.
You listed only _good_ examples. But for every good example there are 10 bad examples. Also "good" example of Chandler, who literally lost to every top-5 fighter he fought, lol?
UFC is above everyone else. Yes, there are people in other promotions that are capable of being top-5 in UFC. But if you combine all other promotions you will find like 10-15 people that will be there maybe, and this is within all weight classes, period. While UFC will have 50 fighters of the same caliber. Sorry, this is not a myth, this is reality.
Even the most recent example of Venom. Sure, cool, but you gave him guy with literally _zero_ wrestling. Pair him vs Belal so MVP will polish canvas with his back for 25 minutes in 25 minute fight, lol.
But same is true the other way. UFC has a ton of shitty fighters, relatively speaking. Like, 95% of unranked guys aren't necessarily better than unranked or ranked guys in other promotions, they just got to UFC faster.
@@matepavic6929UFC is the largest promotion so ofc it has shitty fighters. What I'm saying is that from top-20-50-100 fighters in the world you will have 80% of UFC fighters. This is more or less it.
Like when you have 40 years old Benson Henderson somewhere at the top of Bellator... Or unbeated Amosov losing to 12-4 guy... Or UFC 39 years old reject being top-2 LHW fighter in bellator... Etc.
Sure you can say that Prochazka captured the title, but he lost it really soon. Chandler? Entertaining but like top-10 material and on the decline. Same I can say for MVP. Etc, etc,etc.
@@user-mt2jm7vy6i Well, yes, of course they have the bigger part of the best ones, but that's not the point, because a lot of the fighters in UFC are not part of those 80% and those 20% on the outside are still pretty good.
The whole MMA is entertainment argument is beyond annoying, it’s always usually followed by "we only want to see knock outs, none of the hugging shit" which yeah, KO’s are exciting but if that’s what you’re hanging around for, you’re a casual, especially considering the amount of skill and talent these guys put on display
ive seen lots of hardcore no lives that spend their livelyhoods wathcing / talking about mma say card is only good with number of KO's. high KO's = hidden gem / excellent card / surprisingly good card. low KO's = dissapointment, underperformed, too much grappling etc.
I think that that is true for the majority of UFC fans, Not MMA fans or fans of a specific martial art.
Grappling can be super technical and fan to watch, Same with watching a great back and forth brawl like Poirier v Holloway, No KO's but a really great fight.
Seeing the talent on display is always fun to watch, KO's are awesome too.
If it wasn't for casuals, then nobody would really watch UFC. Most fans are casual viewers.
@@eddieprieto6511 in other sports being a hardcore fan or "stan" is seen as a bad thing. "oh youre a mark then? why dont you touch grass or get a job!".
@@johnmarkson1998 I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a casual fan of any sport, Nor is there anything wrong with being a hardcore fan (obviously you need to have a grip on reality and not think that your teams performance actually affects your life but there is nothing wrong with showing passion/love for your favourite team/athlete etc)
It’s about what type of casual fan you are, You have to respect MMA for what it is, You have to understand the intricacies of different disciplines and how technically skilled someone is.
Same for other sports, Like American Football for example, Everyone loves the highlight reel stuff but 80%+ of any NFL isn’t super hard hits or 40+ yard TD’s, Most of the time it’s 4 yard runs or 7 yard passes.
There are absolutely career altering fights, I'm not really sure how you could say that's fake and also be a fan of the sport for a long time when it's so obvious that that is an objective reality.
The reason for having to beat the champ to be the champ is that if it’s unsure then the fight should go to the current champ. Not that if you win 3 clear rounds then you haven’t done enough. It doesn’t make sense to give a close decision to a challenger. If a round is too close to call, it should always go to the champ if not made a 9-9 round.
Prayers up for The Hammer
Colby Covington being counted as a top 5 fighter. He’s not even top 15 in his weight class.
He’s literally only there because him and the Tomato White fellate the orange goblin.
God damn, that check-mate analogy to tapping was phenomenal
This should be the first video everyone should watch about MMA
The tapout analogy is spot on.
To be the champ youve gotta beat the champ only holds in that you have to win the fight. Every round should be judged exactly the same, and barely scraping by with a split decision is just as legitimate as an instant KO or a dominant decision. If you lose the fight, no matter how you do it, you lose the belt. Anyone who thinks a win has to be convincing and clear to gain the belt should not be allowed to have opinions on mma.
Thanks to this video, Al Iaquinta sold another 5 condos and a bungalo.
Love me a good Rick & Morty reference. Nice jobs guys 👍🏽
If you and Joe Rogan narrated a video i would have trouble telling who is who.
Not these days. Rogan sounds like an old man who smokes too much now. Because he is. But yeah, he sounds like a younger, calmer Joe Rogan.
Been a while since I've seen this comment.😅 He does sound like a younger Joe
"to be the man, you got to beat the man. Woo!"
tbh if they wanted to remove weight cutting it would be really easy. Just weight in the same day of the fight
Thanks guys for reminding the HATERS, big love
You started off with one that seems impossible to convince certain people otherwise.
If you dont think that a single fight can change someone you're delusional.
It depends. If that fight results in you tearing a ligament or breaking a bone, then yeah, if it doesn't heal right it will affect you for a long time, sometimes forever. But the idea that being in a war "takes their soul" is really dumb and not supported by anything. Most fighters have their careers halted or ended due to hard training and injuries, not from a fight.
Mark Coleman is a hero and a legend.
Love the checkmate analogy for tapping out
You dont need to beat the champ convincingly but doing so is way better for you and the fans
MMA Right On Point 💯
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Bringing the smiling myth up and not referencing Sam Alvey is wild
"And to this day, many people still believe it, and many fighters still do it"
Or y'know... *don't* do it, as it were.
You Gotta Beat The Man is some pro wrestling bullshit.
Ric Flair.
Who didn’t even mean it in the way these stupid f*cks try to use it.
Like “if you want to be the man in the business, you beat ME”
Not “if you want to win the belt you have to do more than the defending champ” BS
I've heard you guys mention not liking the whole "you gotta beat the man (convincingly)" thing a few times and I think your misunderstanding it slightly. Its not that you shouldn't be able to win a close fight if you're the challenger. Its more that if a round is too close to call, or could be given either way, it should be given to the champ. So round 2 of strickland vs du plessis (iirc) which most people agree was pretty much a draw, should be given to strickland. (If you had to watch it more than once to decide who won, its basically a draw)
But it shouldn’t be given to the champ just cos it’s close. Absolute bullshit.
The title is essentially vacant once the bell rings, the defending champ isn’t afforded some sort of privilege that makes it easier for him to retain his title. Both fighters have the same scoring criteria to work within, end of.
Stupidiest shit ever.
@@FuntClaps101 im not saying give all close round to the champ. Im saying give the draws to the champ. Draw rounds dont actually exist in the scoring but some are too close to call.
I don't think they are misunderstanding it. I think for most people it is exactly what they say in this video, the defender has to win in a more impressive manner.
Even going by your more specific definition it's still not in the rules, and it shouldn't be. The champ doesn't get any advantages, otherwise it would not be a fair fight. It's not that hard to understand.
@@no_nameyouknow but the champ does get an advantage. If the fight is a draw, the champ keeps the belt. There is no rule for what happens if the round is a draw, the judge still has to pick someone.
Intrigued to hear your take on the "you are only as good as your last fight..." myth.
I'm all in on these except for the 'Life Altering' one. There are 100% fights that change someone permanently.
Love the content! The life altering fights one makes a ton of sense. That said I think it really applied for Tony and probably him only because he was so gun shy in his next fights vs Oliveira and Dariush. He was very different in those fights - not aggressive, very tentative, and repeatedly winked whenever something comes his way (something he didn’t do before). You could see that he brought his mental back against Chandler, a lot less gun shy and the best he looked since the Gaethje loss, but again the kick Chandler gave him made him gun shy the next fights.
Not to say he didn’t age and slowed down too, which he did of course.
3:04 in boxing it is certainly a thing, I guess because in MMA they fight a lot less in a year it will be less noticable. In boxing specifically the further back you go they fought a lot more, to an extent that before 1950s if you didn't fight in 6 months you were considered retired and would be dicouraged from ever entering the ring again because you'd dropped off so far from where you left off.
If I don't play cod for a week and come back I'm terrible I could only imagine fighting then not for years
Hydration testing was my favorite video ever
I hope you feel better and have recovered from whatever you were sick with during recording.
Why is there no music in the background it feels like I’m watching some strange podcast 😭
Was that a question?
Punk thinking that he could hang in the UFC was next-level delusion. The first fight was whatever, anyone can slip on a banana peel and get finished quick. But that second fight with Jackson was 15 minutes of the worst technique I've ever seen. Terrible footwork, poor hands, 360 on kick attempts, and when he pulled the flying koala on Jackson 9 minutes in, I was dying.😅
All valid points, but the 4 is just plain wrong, if you get punched in your head 200 times and then Ko'd, it WILL be life/career altering
The assumption is that the champion has won the belt, so if it’s really close than the judges will lean towards the defending champion. Plus there is less scrutiny usually because the challenger can’t claim he was screwed if it’s that close he needed to do more to claim the title
I’ve never understood when ppl talk about “beat the man” and object to it. This is a well understood and studied human dynamic that our internal bias will find it less stressful to maintain status quo in the event of near parity rather than total disruption like a contender taking a belt. No one is LITERALLY saying you must actually do a bit more to become champion. They aren’t even saying “tie goes to the champ”. They are saying it’s in human nature that scoring judges will likely perceive their decision as less risky in the event of a close fight and it’s easier to give the champion the benefit of the doubt. This is the same as saying “don’t leave it in the hands of the judges” if it’s close. Don’t even risk it. Thats why Dana says “take”. Notice he never said “score more”. He’s saying make it clear? Why would he say make it clear? To avoid lingering doubt. See Aljo vs Yan. Ppl STILL bitch about that. Despite it being painfully clear how illegal that was. It doesn’t matter beyond that. But look at the doubt that clouded his reign. Behind taking it from the judges hands, solidifying the start of your reign as to not be insecure and be questioned by the fans and fighters. Again see Aljo who came back and beat Yan anyway in a rematch but doesn’t matter haha.
It’s the same as in boxing where you go to “someone’s backyard” as Tyson said after Klitschko “it’s hard to get that decision”. Tyson knows the rules much like Dana does. No one actually thinks a challenger fighting on the soil of the birthplace of the other guy must magically do more. They are saying humans are biased. No one can deny that. Even the best judges in some way. So to be safe, you have to make it convincing or finish it.
There are ppl that say tie goes to the champ literally but that’s not the same. It just sounds the same. It’s like arguing with someone who says 12-6 elbows are legal or chael has never lost. You’re not going to lose sleep over that argument haha.
I imagine the beat the man convincingly thing is simmilar to the big team bias in other sports. Like how the best teams in football statistically tend to get favourable referee decisions. Judges often subconciously favour the champ a little bit, and that occurs often enough it seems like it must be a deliberate choice/justification
“You need the combination of both star power with ability which leads to believability” is so valid