The 800cc Years: The Most HATED Bikes in MotoGP History
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- The world of MotoGP is filled with fervent discussion, ebb and flow, and riders' undeniable talent. Still, one period continues to spark ill-informed opinion and heated debate: the 800cc era. With the MotoGP Governing body proposing a move to 850cc engines for 2027, I thought I'd reflect on the last time they reduced the capacity. Spoiler alert; it didn't go well.
Join me as I unravel the reasons behind this controversial change, its impact on the sport, and why it remains a sore point for legends like Valentino Rossi and fans alike.
From the tragic events that led to the shift to the technological arms race that ensued, we explore how introducing the 800cc bikes in #MotoGP led to a shift in racing dynamics, the challenges teams and riders faced, and the unforgettable moments this era brought us. With a deep dive into the strategic decisions, the genius of riders like Casey Stoner, and Rossi's candid criticism, this video is a must-watch for anyone passionate about the world of #motorsport and #motorcycles.
But the story doesn't end here. The aftermath of the 800cc era and the transition back to bigger engines brought new challenges and developments to the forefront. As we reflect on this period, let's discuss what it teaches us about MotoGP's future, the advancement of racing technology, and the eternal quest for speed and safety.
What do you think about the 800cc era and its legacy in MotoGP? Did it deserve the criticism it received, or was it a necessary step in the sport's evolution? Share your thoughts in the comments below, and let's keep the passion for motorcycle racing burning bright.
Copyright disclaimer: This video is created under fair use policy, meant for educational and discussion purposes. All opinions expressed are my own, based on extensive research and personal love for the sport.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction to MotoGP 800cc Controversy
0:29 - Reasons Behind 800cc Introduction in MotoGP
1:59 - Analyzing the Unpopular 800cc Era in MotoGP
7:19 - Transition to 1000cc: MotoGP's Response - Спорт
What do you think about the 800cc era and its legacy in MotoGP? Did it deserve the criticism it received, or was it a necessary step in the sport's evolution?
Sorry, but I disagree that the engine size has much to do with the quality of racing. It's always been about the contact patch and the available grip from the combination of tyres and now electronics and aerodynamics. Dial back the size of tyres and their level of grip, and you will inevitably increase the differential in cornering & braking that everyone is nostalgic for.
I see it as one of those decisions that are driven by panic only, just like many decisions in other race sports, like F1 for example. Something goes wrong, often catastrophically, and the panic reaction is to immediately scream "the bikes/cars are too fast" and decide on the spot that they must be banned and replaced by slower bikes/cars. Those slower bikes/cars then don't take long to be even faster than their predecessors, as engineers always find ways to make things faster.
800 CC twins are gonna be the new middleweight bikes I think
@@yogibarista2818 ur just one data point man .
If not for superstars like rossi and stoner , no one would be watching the 800cc , bloody POS's
well this didnt age well
I'm concerned about the likely return of 800s for 2027, for me, the litre bikes are iconic
I understand, they surely can’t repeat the same mistakes again.
@@SuperbikeJohn surely! I wonder if it'll be a great opportunity for Honda and Yamaha :)
Why does this notion of yours concern you..
Concerned?... Perhaps you should be looking at Tennis instead...But Ok....Look out for the Balls...
@@PallesWorld6309 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🏁🏁🏁🏁
I think the saddest thing about the 800cc era was the death of Marco Simoncelli. It felt like if he could have survived until the end of the 2011 season he would have been competitive and spectacular on a 1000cc bike.
super sic death was on a rc213v, not rc212v, Rossi already moved to ducati that season
@@nsr150sp1 no mate. He was aboard the 800cc RC212V when he died. The RC213V is 1000cc
@@mArvAlcao71 as i remember, the year rossi moved to ducati is the year motogp change from 800cc to 1000cc
@@nsr150sp1 Rossi spent the last year of the 800 and the first of the 1000 era with Ducati.
I agree with the much higher HP for the 1000cc era it would have negated the massive weight disadvantage Marco had in comparison to other riders who were much smaller
I remember the 800cc era with fondness. On the track, they looked so fast and they were stunning to watch. And the rules made it possible for example for Stoner and Lorenzo to take drastically different approaches and riding styles and don't forget the fact that there were different tire manufacturers. The problem today is that the tires are so limiting and the rear height devices together with aero make the bikes so stable that it looks very solid and everyone needs to have nearly the same way of working which to me is a bit sad. Racing is good though in a way even if it's a little "plastic".
go for WSBK ..its way better to watch
@@radost0514May be a stupid question but where can you watch WSBK live? Or where's the easiest way to watch it? Thanks in advance
@@Sprocket74 i dont know i download it from traker and watch it on tape :) but its still nice
@@Sprocket74 i donloaded from torrent
WSBK is on Eurosport.
Kato was the catalyst, but not the reason. Jerry Burgess remarked on several occasions that the manufacturers were stunned when Dorna made plans for a 990cc 4-stroke class. Many of the Japanese manufacturers and teams thought it would be closer to 600cc than 1000cc. When Kato died the MSMA made their move against the 990s.
The issue with the 800s was that they kept power roughly the same as the 990s by raising the rev ceiling, but they reduced fuel capacity. That’s what required the crazy electronics and deprived fans and riders of superfluous torque.
Nice explanation. Thanks!
Katos death I don't think was due to power. I thought back end slipped and flicked him direction of the wall?
Correct, but it seemed that the organisers of Motogp at the time concluded it was due to power. The official inquiry into his death never once mentioned that the speed killed him. Most likely it was the angle of impact on the barriers.
I personally don't hate the 800cc era, but i don't like the modern aero technology. It makes the bikes less classically beautiful....
Luckily there will be less aero from 2027 on
Please do longer form videos, mini docs on motogp, bsb, wsb, etc, it would be great, I love learning new things and hearing good stories on the bike racing genre. Your voice makes for easy listening. Thanks for the videos so far !!!
Dont agree on one tyre brand at all....."how does that tyre work...lets design a bike around that tyres performance"
It makes sense though as today the limits are the tire not the engine. So you have to build to the tire
"No such thing as too much horsepower, just not enough traction" - Carroll Shelby
I would argue that 97-98 was the worst. Doohan dominance as a parade, 500s ‘tamed’, ultimately giving WSB and the panel bashing Fogarty, Edwards, Bayliss, the real showtime.
Agree 100%
1997 500s race winners, Doohan, Criville, Okada. Doohan winning 12 of 15 races. Meanwhile in WSB, Kocinski, Slight, Chili, Fogarty, Haga, Yanagawa across 24 races on Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki. Man I miss that type of racing.
Yeah people forget that the 500cc championship became unwatchable, the racing wasn't all that in the Doohan era .
Honestly massive probs for the video, i was shocked when i saw you "only" have 1500 subs. Keep up!
Thank you. Lots more to come!
500GP is a tough act to follow. 🏁👍🏻
Never saw a race live, but I was deafened by a 50cc bike at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. That was just onebike, so I can't imagine what a race sounded like, live.
@@SuperbikeJohn Nothing like the sound of the two strokes!
What, watching Doohan win by 15 seconds for the most of the 500’s years?
@@Jimmie92There were a lot more interesting characters than Doohan.
Please go away.
@@mikeyerke3920 tbf mate rose tinted glasses do hurt the eyes. Jokes aside, every era had its greatness, for sure man.
So it’s more about the electronics than the capacity. Despite the comments about bigger equals better.
The 500’s had less power but were infinitely better to watch than the 800’s and the current aero liter bikes.
2027 be' like: oh shit, here we go again
I follow MotoGP since 2000 (formerly known as GP 500) but i admit it WSBK is more interesting these days than MotoGP.
The appeal of WSBK is that is is relatively simple. Tyre wear is much easier to understand than tyre pressures for example. The first two weekends of this year has produced fantastic racing.
800cc are still better than the todays bike with all the shitti aero
“The bikes were too quick”
Today tho 😂
Great video. I've been following MotoGP for the past 3 years, but I still have much to learn about its history
Maybe the 800cc era wasn't successful in achieving safety nd lesser crashes but as a motogp fan, glad the experiment took place, the variety of multiple tyre manufacturers was interesting and watching Casey Stoner slip nd slide, Lorenzo, Pedrosa carry maximum corner speed nd ofcouse "the doctor" battle it out together, the extraterrestrials was special.
The 800cc era was better than the "aero+1000cc" era we have now. The operating margin now is very less due to aero and tyre temperatures, outbraking is more risky as braking distances have reduced due to the front aero. Acceleration off corners are no longer fully "throttle control and managing wheelie" based, instead the ride height devices take over. This era is more about the bike & tyre than the rider compared to what the 800s were. 800s had epic battles between Stoner, Lorenzo, Rossi & Pedrosa. Stoner power sliding the bike and on the edge riding style taking on Lorenzo's smooth and flowing style. 800s allowed different kinds of riding styles to be competitive on different machinery. Sadly don't think that is the case now.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the case in F1 too. Both pinnacle of motorsport in 4 wheels and 2 wheels rely incredibly on eletronics and aero package. Basically no matter how good you are, Lewis Hamilton or Marc Marques, if you have a bad car/bike the chance of you winning something is very low.
I think the golden era of motorsport was the 2000's, when the cars/bikes were well developed but not *that* well developed and you could make miracles, be far behind and still win somehow.
Those were the days.
I'm not sure if racing with 800s was more boring than the previous bikes but I've certainly watched some pretty boring races from that era, it was usually either Lorenzo or Stoner just getting away at front and no one could catch them, don't know if that had to do with the bikes or if they were simply too strong compared to the rest, but one spectacular race from that time was the epic 3 way battle between Dani, Rossi and Stoner at Barcelona 2007, that race was better than the one between Rossi and Lorenzo at the same track because Dani was there too, fantastic race.
I liked the 800s...lighter and they revved the crap out of them to regain the power from displacement loss....really cool bikes
Sadly we are going back to 850 cc 😢
I heard a suspension tech on the same team as Stoner that those years the computer was doing more than the rider. They were literally telling Casey that he could pin the throttle and the bike would stay on the track.
Very probably true.
@@SuperbikeJohn I do love tech in racing, but I think it's better in F1 than on bikes because the difference of the rider is so much greater on bikes than cars, and from that perspective F1 is already lost :)
When they started using optical sensors to measure the direction of travel and yaw by literally looking at the track go by on a bike and added GPS for location based throttle control I really thought it would be outlawed.
Going back to 850cc
Great video John, pleased your channel popped up on my suggested.
Im glad i got reccomended this,im a MotoGP noob and im tired of f1 videos because i know everything
get rid of all the electronics and let them just race,be way more entertaining than watching a procession every weekend.
Tbf I think it would be weird to see MotoGP race without electronics yet the superbikes still has it (No way they could get rid of it).
Put that aside, I do wish the reduced aero in MotoGP
Races during the 500 with no electronics were WAY worse than this, it was Honda in the top 5 all the time and hardly any battles, get your facts right before you say things like that, good or bad racing has nothing to do with electronics because again the 500s didn't have any and racing was awful, every Race Honda would pretty much lock out the podium, racing today is better than that crap whether you believe it or not, pretty much anyone has a chance to win on any bike if they are feeling good when Sunday comes, back in the day, if you didn't have the best bike, you weren't going to win, Phillip Island in 2022 was a lot better than any crap during the 500s days, 8 riders fighting for the win, I'm sure that didn't happen in the '90s.
I agree but sadly true motorcycle racing is over. Except for BSB I think everyone else uses electronics
It's strange how people think the manufacturers go racing just for the fans.
They race to develope technologies for their road bike. These equal sales.
Well, my man, thats basically the nature of human beings. Improving until everything is as perfect as it gets, boom, boring.
With Acosta vs Marquez vs Binder vs Bagnaia vs Martin, i think its one of the most exciting season since a decade or what. Obviously races are not as entertaining as they were in the past, but if you watch motogp for pure driving entertainment, you should consider Moto2, Moto3 WSKB or basically any other racing series you can watch.
I still wanna say, i dont really like how motogp is evolving aswell due to the missing entertainment factor. But its MotoGP. This Racing series is to build the fastest Bike on Earth and seeing them crushing records like nothing ist extremely rewarding as a viewer.
So, adjust your expectations rather than bragging about how boring motogp has become.
It's getting to the stage now that WSB is more exciting to watch rather thank the motogp because of all these new aeros and electronics
What are you talking about?
Wsbk hasn't come close to Motogp since 2002 Bayliss vs Edwards.
Its had brief resurgencies but never reached the heights of 90s early 2000s when it was undoubtedly the greatest world championship.
Apparently the British round of wsbk one year had 4x as many spectators as the British Motorcycle grand prix.
Bsb is better than wsbk at the moment i think, simply for its better rulebook which makes better racing and the bikes better to watch.
If Toprak wasn't there WSBK would just be bautista clearing off into the distance. He's artificially made the championship better than the rules allow by being the best rider not on the best bike.
Most fans only hated it as Rossi was awful in that era. GP fans obsession with him is beyond weird.
Was at Silverstone, and an exceptional Stoner getting booed ruined the sport for me
This is an amazing documentation video. Is there a chance you could be talking about CRT bikes from the early 2010s in the future? Cheers John!
I’ve just uploaded one on that exact subject an hour ago!👍
@@SuperbikeJohn Talk about express delivery. Thanks a bunch, will watch at night. Cheers!
Really enjoyed this video. Didn't you make a video about the backmarkers of GP saving Ducati? Where did that one go?
I did, but it got took down by doorna for copyright infringement (I’ve sacked the editor). I’m going to reproduce it again over the weekend.
The current era ist way worst imo, its f1 on 2 wheels...
Bro, ducati was secretly experi.enting with wings since before 2015, if it wasnt for that, we wpuld have a INCREDIBLE CHAMPIONSHIP BATTLES...
Still, aprillia and KTM are getting closer race by race
At least, its not like Max Verstappen in F1
@@FurryestX ofc ducati earned their success but the racing is dogshit. Winglets/tire pressure and ride height device are ruining racing, everyone is managing tires 90% of the race. Just watch one weekend if superbike and you will agree that gp isnt it at the moment
@@atomlurch1totally agree, it's "watch start" then "turn in for the last two laps, because everyone is just managing tyres anyway, because of dirty air"
@@FurryestXIt doesn't compare at all. The guy couldn't have watched MGPlast year
@@FurryestXreplace Ducati with Mercedes and wings with v6 hybrid engines and it’s mercedes 2014 to the dot lol
Paradoxically, the era everyone absolutely loves is 500cc Strokers. This is true in Superbikes as well as GPs.
Really well explained, mate. Thank you.
Towards the end you highlight the increase in certain accidents, it happens in many ways across all domains when technology is in control. People come to rely on the object (in this case the bike) doing it for them, but a slight alteration in a single qaulity/quantity (tyre temp) can cause a total catastrophic failure and the person either doesn't know what to do or isn't allowed (by the object) to do anything to solve it in the moment.
New inventions/technology are hailed as progress, but all too often they strip of us of a mental or physical capability, and all we do is regress... If you never learn to read a map then what do you do when your satnav dies while you're driving? You sit there trapped in a state of incapability that in some ways you chose to be in.
What i remember about the 800 years was every rider being 5 seconds apart by halfway through thr race 😑
I hate 800cc era because how big the gap between the 1st and 2nd place vs the rest.
The 800cc era was considered a disaster,however,if you go back and look at the most iconic races you will find ,Catalonia 2009, laguna seca,2008,Assen 2008,Quitar 2011, Philip Island 2011,
The difference was the rider line up,,Simonchelli, Dovi,Pedrosa,Stoner,Lorenzo, Rossi,Bautista,
I grew up in the 800cc era. There are so many iconic moments, and the bikes were high revving and exciting to me
You need check your audio man too much high frequencies need to tune a little bit down it hurts to hear all the shhs shhhs ccccss throughout the video
Bruh even I noticed this as deaf guy with hearing device
nice video ! subbed ! and you have a nice voice !
Seems to me, the whole MotoGP/F1 thing is the result of what happens, when you let corporations run things, without oversight, or control.
We could see the impending return of 800cc in 2026.
I think the 800cc period the bikes took a step down from the spotlight,
I think Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, and Lorenzo ("aliens") with the race in between these talents made MotoGP far more interesting than what we have today.
to me the 990's will always be king, but between today's MotoGP and 800cc era, 800 all the way.
Great video. That's how to summarise history.
and nowadays with the aerodynamic sorcery come to play, I think MotoGP progressing into a more exciting territories.
Im not sure if it’s a good decision to go back to the 800cc because in theory will make the bikes slower, I think they want to help Yamaha and Honda to be on front. Maybe remain with the 1 litre but with heavy aero and electronics regulations could work too but idk.
I don't think going down to 800cc will change much. If Yamaha and Honda are the teams that can't keep up with the power levels of, say, Ducati at 1000cc, then they likely won't get the same performance as Ducati at 800cc either. Sure, everyone's power figures will be lower with 800cc than with 1000cc, but the stack will probably remain pretty much unchanged.
Casey Stoner didn’t seem to mind them? And also there should be more than one tire manufacturer, there should be more tire choices? And all the electronics, should at least be toned down, or gotten rid of, and the wings should be removed , they make overtaking more difficult, as the bike following is made unstable, in the after draft, of the bike in front.
yeah cuz man have built in throttle control in his own body not everybody is stoner sadly
Stoner is simply brilliant
2008 m1 was the most beautiful m1 till now!
I agree with that. They were perfect looking bikes.
Great video John! Really enjoyed it!
Thank you!
i think electronic would have developed anyway. having lighter and easier bikes like the 800cc actually gave skilled riders like Stoner to ride LESS dependent to the electronic. that's the reason we saw many different styles of riding between Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Stoner. with 990cc as i said electronic would have developed anyway if not faster and every single rider would have been MORE dependent to that than 800. a bit like today with the aerodinamic. everyone apart from KTM have a very similar style
great video, although I disagree. I find that period to have some of the most exhilarating races with great competition! Bikes looked phenomenal too..
Stoner was as much faste without the electronic, rider must learn and adapt, the problem was not the 800 cc engine or the bike, it was the regulations like always in motorsport
2007 Ducati made a long low dragster that was tuned with the help of the fuel for max power. The Japanese manufacturers went for small nimble bikes made for high corner speed. Stoner was able to get the Ducati round the corners close enough to the Yamahas and Hondas so he could motor past on the straight. None of the other Ducati riders could ride the bike in that way
I don't see how Kato's death in 2003 made them change to 800cc in 2007. What I remember everyone talking about was how fast the 990cc were in 2006 and that switching to 800cc would lower the speeds. However, after the first 800cc ducati proto being tested by Capirossi, in 2006, was already beating lap records Dora decided to reduce the fuel capacity from 22 to 21L. That pushed the teams to increase electronics and made the 2007 Ducati worst for Capirossi.
The same argument is being made today and I fear that the new 850cc in 2027 will bring new problems...
Also the switch to 800cc was detrimental to Team Roberts and Kawasaki who were both becoming very competitive by the end of 2006.
@@lastgentleman8099Yup basically ended Team Roberts in MotoGP and Kawasaki never recovered and the economic downturn ended their participation
This was actually the last era of MotoGP that I bothered watching.
the 800cc makes it sound like a the turbo hybrid switch to f1. maybe good on paper and hoping to reduce costs, control speed, and add interesting technology, only to spiral costs, reduce competitiveness, fans didn't like them, drivers didn't like them, and now we can't wait to get rid of them.
Fans won't notice the difference. The current 1000cc bikes can't even use full power in gears 1-4. They throttle them back by the ECU to keep the front wheel on the ground.
I actually really enjoyed this period... 🥴🥴🥴
Can you do a video on what happened to Honda!?
I like the reasoning for the upcoming 800cc GP bikes. It will negate some of the idiocy of aero, it will help with tire management, and put more emphasis on riders competing with each other and not whose bikes are better. Watching Quartararo wallowing in the back is so painful. He's a great rider on a shit bike. Hopefully more manufacturers join up with a lower barrier of entry.
I don't think lowering the engine capacity will change much, if anything. MotoGP is and has always been a battle of who can make the most powerful engine within the given rules, and design the bike around it to make it work optimally and handle well. Some manufacturers are better at this than others, and that won't change by lowering the maximum capacity. You'll still see teams that trail behind everyone else down the straights, and it'll likely be the same teams as it would be with the bigger max capacity.
@TomHenksYT oh I agree with you 100 percent. In fact, with the new engines, that will be even more so, as the efficacy of aero and tire management will decrease substantially, placing more importance on engines and rider ability.
Ban grip e kebakar temperatur. Karo tengone mesin ning traksi suspensi.
hated because it was not yet based on the m4gnetim4relli platform, but when it was based on the m4gnetim4relli platform, m4relli customer manufacturers became enthusiastic and had lots of ideas and innovations, at the m0t0 m4netim4relli GP event, this was very funny. In the past they were afraid of the ultimate full factory spec, but since 2016 they have become enthusiastic and look very professional...
still better than the modern era
I really liked the look of the 800s. Way less aero on them.
Agreed, they were great-looking bikes. Very pure, I'd say.
And we are going to go back with the 800cc in motogp.
So It’s not the displacement but the era where they introduced ECUs?
Yes, they went into overdrive with the electronics. If it were up to me the current bikes would have relatively basic controls like the Motec ones used in BSB.
Isn't the thumbnail from Valencia 2012? They raced 1000cc bikes that year.
Lol, you're correct! I always make a mistake in my videos (intentionally or not!). In this instance, I was looking for a specific type of shot and never realised that the other bike was James Ellison on a CRT, whom Lorenzo blamed for the crash. CRT = 2012. The new image is from China 2008.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Stoner had chronic fatigue syndrome and it had nothing to do with lactose.
I want to listen to this but the levels on your audio are blown out and my ears can't handle it. If you still have the files and feel like editing it again I'd be here for it.
personally i hate the current aero bike the most, it look so dang ugly compared to their clean pre aero bike
I think, ultimately, the 800s (and influx of electronics which Casey despises) were progress. MotoGP is a prototype series, and it was only a matter of time before electronics (much like aero) became an areas of significant development. One could argue that this doesn't filter to road bike, but then neither do seamless gearboxes and much of the aero.
Having said that, for pure entertainment, it is true that 1000CC is better. Hopefully with the new regs, a balance will be struck - dropping the capacity but removing ride hegith devices, for example
This is BS. It’s not formula 1, the whole tech argument is garbage.
@@whiteknob7944 I'd rather a more constructive reply than that, no need to be rude
@@whiteknob7944Your comment is garbage, technology and innovation is literally what MotoGP is about, like Josh explained
@@SN13K3R Thank you very much :)
One person craps their pants and everyone wears diapers.
We are back lol
800s were lighter needed less electronics. Reved higher and also sounded better. Reminding Stoners Winning bike with the screamer engines.
Ive never been a fan of driver/rider assistance. Things like anti wheelie, abs, t/c, auto blip on downshift, esp. Its just to make the bike/car easier to ride/drive and when the computer cant sort it then your on your way to an accident.
I was racing a r35 gtr on a track day and you can see the computer reacting to yaw angle, body roll n wheel slip . The car re-adjusts as the computer does its thing.
I say racing losely, it took him a lap n half to catch me then pull about 300m on me 😂
I don't think it's possible to ride a modern GP rocket without any electronics, I mean, it was possible to do that with 500s because they made half the power of modern bikes, but when you have 300hp and 157kg, trying to ride without electronics is just impossible I think, just imagine how many injuries they'd have every weekend? I'm sure Dorna would have to call off the season due to broken bones, these things are just too fast.
@@Maidenintime86 thats my whole point, the bike does too much work.
Accidents are a part of racing regardless of 2 wheels, 4 wheels or even 4 legs. Accidents happen and always will.
Those 2 strokes were 180-220bhp. Not that much difference tbf, low down torque is probably the biggest difference but can't find any official figures. Might be an option to go back to 2 strokes if the torque of the 4 strokes is too much for todays rider
@@DisAstra-qx9gq Though returning to two-strokes is never gonna happen with how the economy is
Crazy for rossi to say anything against electronics, when it was him, burgess and Yamaha that really got it going.
I honestly think that the current era is really good, there is good action, the bikes are cool (the aero!!) and they are right between “easy” and “snappy” to ride, which makes for (imho) good single player actions on track.
One dude's low-speed death at a chicane leads to massive change THREE YEARS LATER???? Nobody's death changes anything in racing (nor should it) outside of it being Senna and they set up some chickenshit chicanes on a few tracks in response. DOMINANCE leads to changes not death. Ironically, at the end of 2001 in testing at Jerez Daijiro Kato set a faster lap time on the NSR 2-stroke than on the RCV 4-stroke… guy was born in '76 he was a two-stroke guy regardless of the fact that they make bad power as they approach 200HP whereas the 4-strokes have a gentle power delivery. Understand that all these bikes - ALL OF THEM - are limiting HP, same as F1 cars. As I said, the old 2-strokes hit their peak because as they approached 200hp, they made "dirty power" - that's not me talking, it's Tomoo Shiozaki, the creator of the RC211V. Kato's death in 2003 had zip to do with "power" and my point is guy was actually more comfortable at speed on the old dangerous 2-strokes. He might have been world champion given some time on the RC112V. BUT I DIGRESS...
The RC112v won what... 60% of everything it raced in? That is why the rules were changed in 2007 and that is why in 2006 Honda held a press conference at Suzuka doing something unprecedented - displaying the innards of the RC112V and all its secrets on a table as the director of HRC gave a PowerPoint showing how it did what it did. Because the game was fucking up. The RC112V was the Mike Tyson of MotoGP - a power puncher, but a quick bobber and weaver too.
The RC112V BROKE MotoGP. so they broke it back, forcing Honda to abandon the V5 for a V4 and cause them to go chasing a lot of bad technology. They can say whatever they like, but that's how FIA is as well - these people want close competition, not one Make or Team running away with it year after year. It's why they make huge tire supplier decisions every few years to favor (or disfavor) one configuration's (I-4 or V-4) advantage with regard to moment of inertia. Witness the current concession system meant to reel Ducati back in and penalize them with tire allocation and wildcard penalties.
2009 was a duel between Rossi and Lorenzo, not a dual.
This video felt a little biased against the 800s. There were so many variables in play it's hard to which one was impacting safety and in what way.
I'm am the best motogp rider to have ever lived. I just never got my opportunity.
Same Here!
Me too.
@@kotak4420 impossible. There can only be one of us.
@@user-xw4hn7lb3x Then it is me. Bring it on pal.
I like the 800cc instead of this Ducati GP
& now it has been confirmed it'll be 850cc from 2027 onwards.
It was introduced by honda as they already had one developed and pushed for it, they then got the drop on everyone. 😅
Its a very bad idea to go back to 800s. Introduce stricter fuel limit or air inlet restrictions.
That picture of the full carbon bike @ 2:56 is str8 up moto porn. hnnnnng. Reminds me of early 90s F1 cars with the body removed.
Isn't it a MotoE bike?
companies have continued to drop out over the years this series is a huge money pit as there racing bikes that arent even production machines any more, there built lik f1 cars
I only just started watching moto gp again. Is it true that the bikes now have a wake? And you can’t follow too close as the front tyre overheats? I can’t believe bike racing has ended up like f1
Correct. They can lose stability under braking in the draft. However, the overheating issue has always existed. Even BSB stock 1000 bikes have problems with overheating in the slipstream, particularly with brakes.
Imma yonder what would happen if Peko Banniyayya had one of those beasts
well well well..
What a load of crap ! If a smaller capacity is a recipe for crashes, explain the two smaller classes? 800's held faster laptimes over the 1000's for a number of years, smaller gyroscopic mass allows faster cornering, don't blame engine size, blame engineers that couldn't get the electronics right.
2:56 why is the moto e bike there?
You Know, I'm An Ol' Man, So It Doesn't Matter But, GPS On A Racetrack!?! Next Thing You Know, They'll Just Automate The Bikes & Let Them Race Themselves! Thank You.
Electronics made it worse, aerodynamics may be even worse.
the 500cc 2strokes...
Bring back the 990 bikes
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and they're going back to 800 :D
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Development degraded the amount of talent thats needed for a rider to wim. It feels for me as if its 80%bike and 20%rider to win. Skip all the winglets and holshitdevice and all the othee stuff that makes it more like f1 on two wheels. I miss the old days with stoner pedrosa lorenso rossi and those 4on 1000cc instead of 800ssadcc
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