It could have been an accident it doesn’t mean the child is bad. Maybe she tripped or fell, the parents still should have paid for it, but don’t assume a child is malicious because of a mistake
FitTallGayBlond you know, If your kids did that they would all over you to Fix it. People are selfish nowadays and don’t think of their fellow mankind.
@@sweetlilmo thank you and honestly it's never parents like you, it's always bratty spoiled kids and their instamoms busy trying to be cool instead of raising their kids. Then when their kids get hurt they wanna scream at everyone but not actually teach the kids anything. So thank you for being an actual mom and not the "cool mom" 👌
but they're kids, they don't know any better... I'm with Joy... I think this world needs to be more accommodating to kids... and I don't want to have kids...
zurzak ne-etra they are kids and parents understand the responsibility of having them. If parents have to actually pay for their children being truant how much more should the parent be responsible for their child damaging property.
Jennifer lawrence I definitely agree. The owners had a role too. They should have been more careful with such a expensive stuff. State to anyone who visit don’t bring kids unattended. It’s like a store you break it you pay for it. I never see a baby in a house tour before ever. Some home owners can’t afford to move stuff, don’t have the time, don’t want to pay for staging. Staging is expensive. My parents did it. The cost was ridiculous. It isn’t work it. Maybe they selling it because something tragic happened in the family
@@gwynaethatwood-pettit6498 it should come down to what state you live in is should be because you respect other people's property and pay to replace it
Laura Gilmore have you ever watched the TV show Gilmore Girls? There is a shop in the show called Kim's Antiques. The owner is always saying, "You break you buy!".
Professor Firefly The girl could have tripped and caused the sculpture to fall. Something to remember is that 4 year olds often don’t have a lot of stability, they bump into things a lot, yes the parents should have offered to pay, but don’t assume the child is malicious for making s mistake...
I used to work in a restaurant and one day a family showed up with 2 boys between 6 or 5 years old ,and I saw them running and throwing the chairs and everything in their way,I stopped them ,and the nasty motherfuckers parents told me that they were like kings to them and I should leave them do whatever they want,I couldn’t believe that so I called the owner and she kicked them out,some parents are just raising criminals.
If the child was an adult, that adult would be responsible for paying, no questions asked. A minor cannot be sued under civil law, therefore the parents are responsible for them Parents should pay
Some people act like the earth revolves around them because they have a kid and they are somehow more important than the other billions of people who have kids.
I have kids but I can't stand it when moms bring their huge strollers into small spaces instead of putting their baby in an infant carrier or carseat, etc. They act like just because a baby is in it, that they can block areas.
The child needs discipline 4 WHAT exactly. Its a child not an adult. They make mistakes. Children need 2 be MONITORED. Every time I turn around there's somebody advocating punishing or hitting a child 4 something that was an accident or could have been avoided if the parents were keeping an eye on them.Especially in someone else's home.
@@ratherbenapping10 Stefanie I AGREE with u 100%. Of course the parent of the child is responsible by all accounts. My point was that discipline is not necessary 4 every little mishap a child makes.
You break it. You buy it! I understand the parents may not have had options, but then you hold their hand and they are by your side. The child seems like they were being loosely supervised at best. Otherwise I would've been told to sit on the coach and not move, until they had to move to a location I couldn't be seen
At 4 years old the kid is going to make a fuss if they don't have something to entertain them. When we were kids, my parents always brought books or something to play with so we would remain out of trouble. Even as adults we get bored and want something to keep us occupied.
Yup. Parents just don't discipline their children anymore and allow them to run around doing whatever & then try to not be responsible. It's ridiculous. Tell your kids to sit down, don't move. Hold their hand. Don't let them run around an expensive house and touch everything they see. That's on you if something gets broken. You are still in somebody elses house. Just because it's for sale doesn't mean it is your kids' playground.
Joy always says that. She said the same thing on the topic of the kid destroying the Sephora merchandise. Ya buggin Joy. For once I do NOT agree. My view: The homeowner is a bystandard NOT at fault. The parent MUST pay. The child is innocent obviously, needs discipline but still innocent.
Rebecca Brockway So what would happen if the parents didn’t own a home, was looking for their first home? Trying to get their kid used to a new home? Keep talking about creeps or irresponsible parenting?? I have 4 boys and I’m sorry , I can’t keep them like the bradys.
ReticulatingSplines it’s not a car accident with one car hitting another. It’s a hard thing to answer because yes it’s an open house. If I have very valued art work yes I would lock it up. Just for accidents but for theft. And yes people go to open houses to steal stuff especially if the real estate agent is busy with multiple visitors at one time. A lot of these crooks work in multiple pairs. One may take the time with the agent and others are roaming free in the house.
@Imight Realperson No kidding, The point is you don't bring a 4 year old to an open house, and you take total control of your children at all times. I think the parents should pay.
@Imight Realperson Have you ever heard of a babysister, or if that wasn't possible, stay home. Sometimes with kids you can't do or go everywhere you want , when you want.
A babysitter doesn't necessarily mean it has to be someone you pay. A good friend would be a good choice. But really, if you can't afford $10 bucks or so for a sitter for an hour, I highly doubt you'd be in the market to be buying a house.
@Imight Realperson That works both ways. You always have to be the more respectful one, when someone is allowing you into their home. Bringing a child is just bringing more risk. Maybe it should be an adult only open house. These days people let their kids run wild, then say,"oh sorry" when something happens.
@Imight Realperson It should have been an adult only open house. We see the situation differently. I feel you bring a child into that kind of environment then you are responsible for any damage. Do you really think the parents have no responsibility.? How about a 50/50 split, because maybe blame should be divided and not one sided. Would you agree to that?
I disagree with Joy. When you are in someone else’s house, you respect it. If your kids break something, you pay for it because you should have been watching your kids.
@Shy Brother Speaks Nope. Homeowners are rarely at the open house, only agents are, and allowing or inviting someone to your home does not absolve them of liability for their actions. Personal responsibility seems dead, unfortunately.
I think the mom should pay for it. Parents should really keep their kids under control in a place like that, however, the homeowner should have maybe taken better precautions.
Joy is wrong. It's the mother's fault. Period. Parenting has become a problem lately. Their refusal to pay or to take any action steps to make this right with the homeowner sends a poor message to their child. It teaches her kid that they can grow up, damage things and people and not be held accountable for their actions. Entitlement is the issue. I get that accidents happen, but the smugness of this parent to think that she doesn't have to take any responsibility when it's her fault is disgraceful.
Dan Garcia The thing is, you’re supposed to store away valuables during an open house. The parents should have offered to pay, put the homeowners shouldn’t leave expensive sculptors out. Someone could also steal them
Lauren J there is this thing called ‘staging the house’ the art could have been out for that reason. Also I don’t really think it matters because in my mind people are responsible for their own actions and if you or your children break someone else’s property then you should be pay for it.
The homeowner most likely has home insurance which covers items inside the home. The family should pay for the insurance deductible/OOP costs. This is what insurance is for.
Joy is right that the homeowner should've taken precautions against kids & clumsy visitors in an open house situation. It's analogous to a person whose car was stolen because they left the key in the ignition.
I agree with joy. You are responsible for your own stuff. I remember when I was a teen my parents were selling the house and the realtor told my parents put valuable and personal stuff away. So it won't get stolen or broken.
I am a Mom of a 4 year old boy. If I went into someone else’s home and he broke something of theirs. Yes I’ll offer to pay because it’s the right thing to do. He’s my responsibility and as his mom I should’ve been watching him. HOWEVER if it’s thousands, it’ll be hard. I hope they accept monthly payments.🤷♀️
These parents should be ashamed of themselves. Why are they even arguing about this? I bet these are the same parents who argue with the teacher saying, “oh no, my child would never do that”.
Jazzy Jaz people should have common sense that if it’s not a chilled out event their kids should not be there. If they can’t do it then don’t be there.
@@blindpeopledostuff3587 is the child also not going to be living in the house? It's not realistic to look for a place to live without the actual people that will be living in it. Yes, I have bought houses before. Yes, I have children. And yes, my children have been at every house we've looked at in the process. Some things only came to our attention as a problem about a house because our children were there to interact in the space.
Viewing houses made me happy when I was young. I would imagine my entire life there. It still makes me happy but there was something magic about it while I was younger
I couldnt cause it was hung on the wall an could not be taken down till i was moving. It was an old old wood phone. But the way it had been put up i would of had to have 2 grown men to take it down an risk breaking it to put it back up an then take it down everytime someone came to look at the house. My house was on the market for 4 yrs because of the land i had an fighting with the county to make it go commercial. That phone was to old to take down an put back up an sometimes you get the call to leave your house in 1 hour someone was comming to look at it. So you dont have time to take things down or move them. Not only that they go threw the whole house so no where to hide them.
Stephanie Long in a case where something is affixed to the walls I can understand not removing. I imagined the child knocked something expensive and fragile over and that to me is different.
Lmao. First rule of the open house? Remove anything and everything of any value, whether monetary or sentimental. My first open house? Someone stole one of the books off a bookcase. You never know who is walking in the door.
It is true that you're supposed to remove valuable and personal items when you're hosting an OPEN house. However, the parents should have been in CONTROL of the child(ren), especially since it wasn't their property. A 4 yr old has no reason to run around someone else's house without supervision. After entering and seeing expensive items, they should have taken more care to be careful. Both are in the wrong, but the parents more so.
There's not enough information given. We don't know what the kid was doing when the item was broken or where the parents were .... There's no info given other than the child accidentally broke an expensive piece of artwork. There's no way to determine fault or no fault from this.
Lady in the red has a point BUT it’s the parents responsibility for the manners of their kids. Plus 4 is a reeeeally young age and if you don’t teach them respect at that age, they’re gonna think it’s fine in the long run
An open house can have 100 people (complete strangers) or more at a time. It is always in the best interest of home owners to hide their valuables during an open house. My friends real estate agent reminded her to hide everything of extreme value before her open house. Some home owners put away their personal belongings and rent out furniture to showcase for that very reason. Joy has a point.
I wouldnt walk into a house where the couch is white, and expensive... that's like setting anyone up who comes over for failure. Make sure you have that much in the bank before you go over to THAT house. XD
If you have homeowner’s insurance or renters insurance you have liability coverage, minimum is usually 100k. That coverage is there for attorney’s fees and accidental damage to other people’s property etc (not while driving a car), especially for your child under the age of 12yrs old. I would call my homeowners insurance company and let them settle. Look at your homeowners policy under liability coverage. If you have questions about the contract call your insurance company. They are there to explain in detail what coverage you have.
Joy to Abby: "Well that's different, you should pay for it." Me: 😂😂😂😂😂😂 so true. Also, there is no comparison between the story and Abby's random experience. 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
There was a case on Judge Judy regarding a scenario JUST like this one... JJ said exactly what Joy said.. young kids are not adults and can break stuff by accident or on purpose but it is the responsibility of the homeowner to ensure they take the proper steps to secure their valuables.
I took my nephew shopping once and as I got him a small Keychain as a gift. We went into a shoe store and while I was busy trying on and buying shoes he went around to every display, every single display in the store and turned the price sign around. I remember the manager thought it was "cute". I took his Keychain away and said "no lunch" until he fixed all the signs, and apologized to each of the employees individually and the manager. Kids can do silly things, it's up to adults to use that moment to correct your child's mistakes, this is what builds thier character and morals.
Whoopi is so draining, why does she get the last word on everything? You're the moderator, not the judge, let us pray that Whoopi is filming that Stephen King series in Atlanta or something, and will let Joy moderate for a few months
Whoopi is the Barbara Walters of the show now. At first it was Barbara who was the moderater and got the last word. She had a job to do and that is to not let them go on and on and to close out the segment and move on. When she goes to shoot the movie and IF Joy moderate she will have to do the same thing. Which is what she does when Whoopi is not there.
Not really, at least not in this video. You guys are ridiculous, their jobs are to have opinions and discussions. Whoop started off thinking that yeah, duh, the parents should take responsibility. After hearing to joys side, she realised that hey maybe both party is at fault. Isn't a discussion supposed to be about give and take?
As someone who’s in real estate and studying to become a paralegal , they are both to blame for and these types of cases are the ones that should go to court
And then you'd realize an intelligent individual could just pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance, right? Cause you're smart and not a fucking idiot...
No but if someone comes and breaks something, you won't make him pay... At least I'd never ask such a thing from a guest. And if you expect buyers, well yes, take off valuable stuff.
Just sold my house, paperwork says you should not leave valuables out. I made sure i stored or locked things up that I didn’t want stolen or broken. You should know lots of people will be in and out of your house. should parents have kept a close eye on their child, of course but you also don’t leave expensive stuff out. We can’t assume everyone is on top of their children.
Nobody specifically said that the kid was running around wild lol. How do we know that she wasnt standing right next to her parents, and didnt just accidentally bump into something.. while walking past it? IJS.. people are so quick to scream how the parents dont discipline their child, and should've run for the belt immediately 🤣. When in reality.. it could've just been a total accident. And if that's the case.. then I blame the homeowners, because that couldve happened to ANYONE. Including an adult. BUT.. if the kid WAS running around like a wild animal, then I blame the parents, and they're the ones at fault.
Bailey exactly. no one here is taking the time to examine the facts. they’re all rushing to judgment. i bet if the art is ugly or has no appreciation in this audience, they’d probably say let the homeowner pay-‘cause that’s small minded too
I haven't read through the comments but I'm sure that this is been said if you don't know how to teach your children not to act crazy in other people's homes that's on you. They should pay for that piece of art. Who brings small children to an open house anyway?!
This is actually a great opportunity to teach the child about consequences. The parents should pay and the child should do chores to pay the parents back. It will teach the child responsibility and to take better care in the future. This is not a tragedy but a learning experience.
I’m with Joy on this. Although the parents of the kid are also responsible, the house owner is more so. They’d need to negotiate and come to some sort of agreement. Parents need to pay for sure, but perhaps not the full cost of the item.
I think the best compromise would be for the parents to pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance. But I agree it's the owners fault for leaving valuables out in a situation like this.
I'm a former Realtor and the owners of the expensive art were complete idiots for leaving something so expensive out. Someone could have easily walked off with it, too. I say make the parent pay 1/2 the deductible because the owners need to pay for their stupidity/negligence.
When selling a house, the seller is not responsible to remove unless they want to. The parents are responsible for what their children do as well as in school!
So if I’m selling my house while I’m still living there, I have to lock everything remotely fragile in a closet? If someone breaks your property because of their own carelessness, they’re responsible. That lady in red makes it sound like the homeowners left the piece of art recklessly lying in the middle of the floor. Watch your kids!
This is why you keep your small children close. Both accidents and on purposes happen when kids are young like that. The parents should have apologized, offered to pay, and should have included the child in both so the child understands that there are consequences in life.
Yes there is. If I were having an open house and knew strangers we coming through I'd clear my house of valuables. If something broke the parents can pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance. What if the vase was 10k and you wanted to but couldn't afford to replace it? Insurance could. See a debate... It's good to be open minded and a gray thinker, not everything is black and white. Paying deductible seems like compromise, you're taking responsibly and owner gets replacement.
It depends on the situation, what kind of accident and location of art work. They're saying an accident happened but the host are saying it was careless parents and wild child. It matters what happened, however the responsible thing to do is compensate them for what you broke. However I'd still like to know what actually happened.
I'd pay deducible on homeowners insurance. But I'd be pissed the owners weren't smart enough to put their valuables away. If I had strangers coming through my house for an event like this I'd put all valuables away. If an adult broke it and not a child Dane thing homeowners insurance anyways, not a big deal.
Parents need to set the example for their child, and also do the right thing, and pay for it. When I was out shopping with my cousin's little girl (she was about 6 years old at the time) she dropped a ceramic magnet on accident when putting it back and it broke. We both stood there staring at it for a solid 10 seconds before I said "hand me that, please." And I went and paid for it and apologized, because as the adult in her life, and the only relative with her at the time, I needed to set the example that you own up to your mistakes.
This is why when I sold my home I refused to have an open house. First of all I didnt want people I dont know roaming around my home selling who knows what. Real estate agents don't have eyes in the back of their heads to watch everything everywhere.one of the problems today is parents do not watch their kids well enough and they don't teach their children how to act in different circumstances. Kids should not be brought along on a viewing of an open house. The parents cant be watching their kids the way they should and asking questions to the real estate agent at the same time. These parents are very much responsible for anything they break. Maybe if you want an open house have a disclosure they have to sign before entering the home.
Well how expensive is it? I dont know i feel like if u choose to have extremely expensive art that isnt on the wall, that can be knocked over, its a risk u take when u let little kids come in...i dont know tho
Parents should pay, they are responsible for there children’s behaviour! Same with damaging a couch, whatever the colour. I had 3 loose covered couches with ‘natural’ white covers, each with a spare set of covers for 15 years while my children were growing up, best investment ever! Whipped the covers off and washed them regularly to keep them fresh and when either the children, their friends our dogs or cats even the adults dropped or spilled anything on them. The colour didn’t fade and you could use any type of stain remover without worry about it mismatching. Finally replaced then out of boredom when my last child left tor Uni. In such good condition I recycled them!
Yes the parents are responsible. They should be teaching their kids hands off and respecting others property. If a kid breaks your window they’re responsible.
I agree with both sides. As a homeowner, it's my responsibility to put my valuables in a safe place, and as a parent it's my responsibility to pay for what my child breaks. It's not one or the other.
The parents are wrong. I HATE these people that let their kids run all over the place 😠😤
It could have been an accident it doesn’t mean the child is bad. Maybe she tripped or fell, the parents still should have paid for it, but don’t assume a child is malicious because of a mistake
@FitTallGayBlond Just go ahead and build a fence so you can have some peace. This probably won't be the last time an incident occurs.
FitTallGayBlond you know, If your kids did that they would all over you to Fix it. People are selfish nowadays and don’t think of their fellow mankind.
I agree my son is autistic and i NEVER let him run everywhere or touch things that dont belong to him.
@@sweetlilmo thank you and honestly it's never parents like you, it's always bratty spoiled kids and their instamoms busy trying to be cool instead of raising their kids. Then when their kids get hurt they wanna scream at everyone but not actually teach the kids anything. So thank you for being an actual mom and not the "cool mom" 👌
Im so sick of parents not taking responsibility for their kids. Or letting them do wte they want without consequences
It's a 4 year old. They don't understand consequences and responsibility.
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Right I wonder if this went to court. I bet they’d find in favor of the homeowner after all this child was on someone else’s property.
but they're kids, they don't know any better... I'm with Joy... I think this world needs to be more accommodating to kids... and I don't want to have kids...
zurzak ne-etra they are kids and parents understand the responsibility of having them. If parents have to actually pay for their children being truant how much more should the parent be responsible for their child damaging property.
Joy I’m normally with you. But girl no. The parents are responsible
They are in a way, but the homeowner should have insurance if it's so 'valuable.'
Jennifer lawrence I definitely agree. The owners had a role too. They should have been more careful with such a expensive stuff. State to anyone who visit don’t bring kids unattended. It’s like a store you break it you pay for it. I never see a baby in a house tour before ever. Some home owners can’t afford to move stuff, don’t have the time, don’t want to pay for staging. Staging is expensive. My parents did it. The cost was ridiculous. It isn’t work it. Maybe they selling it because something tragic happened in the family
You break, you buy, your child brokes something you pay for it simple.
Exactly, if they was at a store they would have to buy it. Same rules apply
@@lakeishasmith112 yes they would it doesn't matter where you are if your child breaks something it's your responsibility to pay.
Depends on the law in the state you are in.
@@gwynaethatwood-pettit6498 it should come down to what state you live in is should be because you respect other people's property and pay to replace it
Laura Gilmore have you ever watched the TV show Gilmore Girls? There is a shop in the show called Kim's Antiques. The owner is always saying, "You break you buy!".
how about teach your kids not to touch anything that's not ? the theirs? the parents should pay.
Professor Firefly The girl could have tripped and caused the sculpture to fall. Something to remember is that 4 year olds often don’t have a lot of stability, they bump into things a lot, yes the parents should have offered to pay, but don’t assume the child is malicious for making s mistake...
@@laurenj432 I totally agree. We don't know if it was a wild child going crazy or if it was an honest mistake because the kid is a freaking toddler.
I used to work in a restaurant and one day a family showed up with 2 boys between 6 or 5 years old ,and I saw them running and throwing the chairs and everything in their way,I stopped them ,and the nasty motherfuckers parents told me that they were like kings to them and I should leave them do whatever they want,I couldn’t believe that so I called the owner and she kicked them out,some parents are just raising criminals.
@@laurenj432 The child wasn't malicious, but parents still must supervise and take responsibility for the actions of their child.
If the child was an adult, that adult would be responsible for paying, no questions asked. A minor cannot be sued under civil law, therefore the parents are responsible for them
Parents should pay
Some people act like the earth revolves around them because they have a kid and they are somehow more important than the other billions of people who have kids.
Exactly!
I have kids but I can't stand it when moms bring their huge strollers into small spaces instead of putting their baby in an infant carrier or carseat, etc. They act like just because a baby is in it, that they can block areas.
The child needs discipline 4 WHAT exactly. Its a child not an adult. They make mistakes. Children need 2 be MONITORED. Every time I turn around there's somebody advocating punishing or hitting a child 4 something that was an accident or could have been avoided if the parents were keeping an eye on them.Especially in someone else's home.
Robyn Dismon Who said an of that? I think the parents shouldn’t have brought their kid and need to pay up.
@@ratherbenapping10 Stefanie I AGREE with u 100%. Of course the parent of the child is responsible by all accounts. My point was that discipline is not necessary 4 every little mishap a child makes.
You break it. You buy it! I understand the parents may not have had options, but then you hold their hand and they are by your side. The child seems like they were being loosely supervised at best. Otherwise I would've been told to sit on the coach and not move, until they had to move to a location I couldn't be seen
At 4 years old the kid is going to make a fuss if they don't have something to entertain them. When we were kids, my parents always brought books or something to play with so we would remain out of trouble. Even as adults we get bored and want something to keep us occupied.
Yup. Parents just don't discipline their children anymore and allow them to run around doing whatever & then try to not be responsible. It's ridiculous. Tell your kids to sit down, don't move. Hold their hand. Don't let them run around an expensive house and touch everything they see. That's on you if something gets broken. You are still in somebody elses house. Just because it's for sale doesn't mean it is your kids' playground.
One of the first times I feel like Joy is absolutely 100% WRONG here.
Yeah she really missed the mark here for some reason
Yup
Joy always says that. She said the same thing on the topic of the kid destroying the Sephora merchandise. Ya buggin Joy. For once I do NOT agree.
My view: The homeowner is a bystandard NOT at fault. The parent MUST pay. The child is innocent obviously, needs discipline but still innocent.
Their homeowners insurance should sue the parents homeowners insurance and be done with it.
What if the parents doesn't own a home? Doesn't have insurance? And I don't think it works like that btw.
Shannon he's talking about the seller's homeowners insurance, who would sue the parents on behalf of the sellers.
Rebecca Brockway So what would happen if the parents didn’t own a home, was looking for their first home? Trying to get their kid used to a new home? Keep talking about creeps or irresponsible parenting?? I have 4 boys and I’m sorry , I can’t keep them like the bradys.
ReticulatingSplines it’s not a car accident with one car hitting another. It’s a hard thing to answer because yes it’s an open house. If I have very valued art work yes I would lock it up. Just for accidents but for theft. And yes people go to open houses to steal stuff especially if the real estate agent is busy with multiple visitors at one time. A lot of these crooks work in multiple pairs. One may take the time with the agent and others are roaming free in the house.
EXACTLY. Homeowners should pay for this if it's really so valuable. Take it to Judge Judy! lol
Why are they bringing a 4 year old in the first place. Parents, pay up!
@Imight Realperson No kidding, The point is you don't bring a 4 year old to an open house, and you take total control of your children at all times. I think the parents should pay.
@Imight Realperson Have you ever heard of a babysister, or if that wasn't possible, stay home. Sometimes with kids you can't do or go everywhere you want , when you want.
A babysitter doesn't necessarily mean it has to be someone you pay. A good friend would be a good choice. But really, if you can't afford $10 bucks or so for a sitter for an hour, I highly doubt you'd be in the market to be buying a house.
@Imight Realperson That works both ways. You always have to be the more respectful one, when someone is allowing you into their home. Bringing a child is just bringing more risk. Maybe it should be an adult only open house. These days people let their kids run wild, then say,"oh sorry" when something happens.
@Imight Realperson It should have been an adult only open house. We see the situation differently. I feel you bring a child into that kind of environment then you are responsible for any damage. Do you really think the parents have no responsibility.? How about a 50/50 split, because maybe blame should be divided and not one sided. Would you agree to that?
I disagree with Joy. When you are in someone else’s house, you respect it. If your kids break something, you pay for it because you should have been watching your kids.
@Shy Brother Speaks Nope. Homeowners are rarely at the open house, only agents are, and allowing or inviting someone to your home does not absolve them of liability for their actions. Personal responsibility seems dead, unfortunately.
Shy Brother Speaks that doesn’t give people the right to let their kids run amok.
I agree
Easy: your bring your kid to my house and things get broken, you pay for them.
Abby's pen story is exactly what would happen to me if I sat on a white couch. I feel your pain, girl.
That is why I don't trust white furniture or super white carpets. I am far to accident prone to be near it lol
Serves them right for having a white couch. That's like having furniture made of tissue paper -- IT IS GOING TO GET WRECKED.
Did she end up paying for the couch? I think I missed it.
Why is everyone saying it’s the mothers fault!?!?! Fathers bred that child too!!!
Yeah lol. They explicitly said both parents were there too. The kid is equally their responsibility.
Cause the mother was the one that spoke up about not needing responsible for paying.
Lovely Hawaiian Lol Maybe he was not around.
@@mattheweaston8004 - Maybe the kid has lesbian parents!!!
The kid should be made to work it off!
I think the mom should pay for it. Parents should really keep their kids under control in a place like that, however, the homeowner should have maybe taken better precautions.
Both the parents should pay. They said they were both there.
I don't think they knew a child would be there.
Samuel Tillman most people would assume if children are brought in that they’d be watched /supervised.
the deadbeat dad should pay
why instantly say only the mom is responsible!
The parents are responsible, no doubt about it. Why would they let their child run all over and destroy other someone else's property.
Another possibility: Insurance pays for the damaged item and the child’s parents pay the deductible.
Yass!
Joy is wrong. It's the mother's fault. Period. Parenting has become a problem lately. Their refusal to pay or to take any action steps to make this right with the homeowner sends a poor message to their child. It teaches her kid that they can grow up, damage things and people and not be held accountable for their actions. Entitlement is the issue. I get that accidents happen, but the smugness of this parent to think that she doesn't have to take any responsibility when it's her fault is disgraceful.
Dan Garcia The thing is, you’re supposed to store away valuables during an open house. The parents should have offered to pay, put the homeowners shouldn’t leave expensive sculptors out. Someone could also steal them
Lauren J there is this thing called ‘staging the house’ the art could have been out for that reason. Also I don’t really think it matters because in my mind people are responsible for their own actions and if you or your children break someone else’s property then you should be pay for it.
It's BOTH the parent's fault. Period. They said "a family with THEIR daughter".
You mean the parents fault not only the mother.
@@mattheweaston8004 agreed. It's both. I only said mom based on the title of the video. Thanks for sharing.
"That's different you should pay for that" Joy cracks me up
The homeowner most likely has home insurance which covers items inside the home. The family should pay for the insurance deductible/OOP costs. This is what insurance is for.
i’m with Meghan. you CANNOT have a white couch, first of all! 😂
Yes same never have a white couch lol
You can have what you want.. Just keep kids away
Sounds like folks making any possible excuse not to take responsibility for their actions.
No. The parents need to pay. Joy is completely wrong here.
PogChamp yea so harsh why?
D Mc I think she is right you wanna sell your house not your expensive stuff
Joy is right
@@madnessends2477 bulshit
Joy is right that the homeowner should've taken precautions against kids & clumsy visitors in an open house situation. It's analogous to a person whose car was stolen because they left the key in the ignition.
Abby “what if it wasn’t an open house”
Joy “it was”
queen is keeping Abby on topic
ha ro yeah no. Joy was very wrong in this segment. She looked like an idiot with her mental gymnastics
stfu.. "queen"
I agree with joy. You are responsible for your own stuff. I remember when I was a teen my parents were selling the house and the realtor told my parents put valuable and personal stuff away. So it won't get stolen or broken.
I have been looking for a comment to like that agrees with joy
As a past realtor I agree, you should put away anything personal or expensive like photos, artwork and jewelry.
I am a Mom of a 4 year old boy. If I went into someone else’s home and he broke something of theirs. Yes I’ll offer to pay because it’s the right thing to do. He’s my responsibility and as his mom I should’ve been watching him. HOWEVER if it’s thousands, it’ll be hard. I hope they accept monthly payments.🤷♀️
True.
Pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance...
Well that’s different you should pay for it 😂😂😂😂😂😂oh Joy
These parents should be ashamed of themselves. Why are they even arguing about this? I bet these are the same parents who argue with the teacher saying, “oh no, my child would never do that”.
They should say no children allowed during an open house
Jazzy Jaz people should have common sense that if it’s not a chilled out event their kids should not be there. If they can’t do it then don’t be there.
@@blindpeopledostuff3587 is the child also not going to be living in the house? It's not realistic to look for a place to live without the actual people that will be living in it. Yes, I have bought houses before. Yes, I have children. And yes, my children have been at every house we've looked at in the process. Some things only came to our attention as a problem about a house because our children were there to interact in the space.
Viewing houses made me happy when I was young. I would imagine my entire life there. It still makes me happy but there was something magic about it while I was younger
I tried that at my wedding. Some people just ignore that and do what they want anyway.
I'm with joy on this one it wasn't just there house it was an open house
Why not put away valuables during an open house? Anything can happen
I couldnt cause it was hung on the wall an could not be taken down till i was moving. It was an old old wood phone. But the way it had been put up i would of had to have 2 grown men to take it down an risk breaking it to put it back up an then take it down everytime someone came to look at the house. My house was on the market for 4 yrs because of the land i had an fighting with the county to make it go commercial. That phone was to old to take down an put back up an sometimes you get the call to leave your house in 1 hour someone was comming to look at it. So you dont have time to take things down or move them. Not only that they go threw the whole house so no where to hide them.
Stephanie Long in a case where something is affixed to the walls I can understand not removing. I imagined the child knocked something expensive and fragile over and that to me is different.
My mom use to give us the talk before leaving the house, we didn't leave her side. To go to the bathroom we had to ask.
If my kid breaks it, I'm responsible.
Simple.
Lmao. First rule of the open house? Remove anything and everything of any value, whether monetary or sentimental.
My first open house? Someone stole one of the books off a bookcase. You never know who is walking in the door.
While i believe they should of put the item up so the kid wouldn’t break it, it’s THEIR house. Your kid= your responsibility. Pay the homeowner.
It is true that you're supposed to remove valuable and personal items when you're hosting an OPEN house.
However, the parents should have been in CONTROL of the child(ren), especially since it wasn't their property. A 4 yr old has no reason to run around someone else's house without supervision. After entering and seeing expensive items, they should have taken more care to be careful.
Both are in the wrong, but the parents more so.
There's not enough information given. We don't know what the kid was doing when the item was broken or where the parents were .... There's no info given other than the child accidentally broke an expensive piece of artwork. There's no way to determine fault or no fault from this.
Hair dresser: so what you want?
Woopi: you ever see a mop?
Hair dresser: say no more.
This style is for a movie she's making.
@@kathynesmith7129 she making a movie about a mop?
😂😂
Rolls eyes at this tired comment about a woman's hair... What a gentleman...
@@angiejordan6454 would your eyes be different if it was a man?
Lady in the red has a point BUT it’s the parents responsibility for the manners of their kids. Plus 4 is a reeeeally young age and if you don’t teach them respect at that age, they’re gonna think it’s fine in the long run
An open house can have 100 people (complete strangers) or more at a time. It is always in the best interest of home owners to hide their valuables during an open house. My friends real estate agent reminded her to hide everything of extreme value before her open house. Some home owners put away their personal belongings and rent out furniture to showcase for that very reason. Joy has a point.
Exactly. That's why Whoopi said it should have been staged for the open house.
It's lovely to look
Nice to hold
But if you break it
Consider it sold 👌
I wouldnt walk into a house where the couch is white, and expensive... that's like setting anyone up who comes over for failure. Make sure you have that much in the bank before you go over to THAT house. XD
I agree with Joy.
It was an accident she could have been perfectly behaved and just fallen into it. Claim on the contents insurance and keep it pushing
If you have homeowner’s insurance or renters insurance you have liability coverage, minimum is usually 100k. That coverage is there for attorney’s fees and accidental damage to other people’s property etc (not while driving a car), especially for your child under the age of 12yrs old. I would call my homeowners insurance company and let them settle. Look at your homeowners policy under liability coverage. If you have questions about the contract call your insurance company. They are there to explain in detail what coverage you have.
Joy to Abby: "Well that's different, you should pay for it."
Me: 😂😂😂😂😂😂 so true. Also, there is no comparison between the story and Abby's random experience. 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
There was a case on Judge Judy regarding a scenario JUST like this one... JJ said exactly what Joy said.. young kids are not adults and can break stuff by accident or on purpose but it is the responsibility of the homeowner to ensure they take the proper steps to secure their valuables.
I took my nephew shopping once and as I got him a small Keychain as a gift. We went into a shoe store and while I was busy trying on and buying shoes he went around to every display, every single display in the store and turned the price sign around. I remember the manager thought it was "cute". I took his Keychain away and said "no lunch" until he fixed all the signs, and apologized to each of the employees individually and the manager. Kids can do silly things, it's up to adults to use that moment to correct your child's mistakes, this is what builds thier character and morals.
Whoopi is so draining, why does she get the last word on everything? You're the moderator, not the judge, let us pray that Whoopi is filming that Stephen King series in Atlanta or something, and will let Joy moderate for a few months
It's called being a moderator.
Whoopi is the Barbara Walters of the show now. At first it was Barbara who was the moderater and got the last word. She had a job to do and that is to not let them go on and on and to close out the segment and move on. When she goes to shoot the movie and IF Joy moderate she will have to do the same thing. Which is what she does when Whoopi is not there.
Matt Walker well said! “Moderator NOT judge.”
Not really, at least not in this video. You guys are ridiculous, their jobs are to have opinions and discussions.
Whoop started off thinking that yeah, duh, the parents should take responsibility. After hearing to joys side, she realised that hey maybe both party is at fault. Isn't a discussion supposed to be about give and take?
Go on back to Lifetime. It's more your speed.
No sorry, the parents are 100% responsible!!!! The art was part of the decor to sell your house. Parents need to pay!
As someone who’s in real estate and studying to become a paralegal , they are both to blame for and these types of cases are the ones that should go to court
And then you'd realize an intelligent individual could just pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance, right? Cause you're smart and not a fucking idiot...
Erica Goff lol
So in other words, every time you have someone come over you have to hide everything worth value away? I hate her, she’s so annoying and rude.
No but if someone comes and breaks something, you won't make him pay... At least I'd never ask such a thing from a guest.
And if you expect buyers, well yes, take off valuable stuff.
THE PARENTS SHOULD PAY! You are entering someone else's property, and you are responsible for what you and whoever you are the guardian of do. Period.
Whoopi love that hair
Well yes they should pay!
Are they going to make the daughter pay when she grows up?!
Don't bring you kids out if you can't control and take responsibility of the damage done by them.
This would be a great Curb Your Enthusiasm episode
And then at the end of the episode it would be resolved by paying the deductible on the homeowners insurance like an intelligent individual would do.
I’m a mom of 4 boys. If I was looking for a new home or place. They wouldn’t be with me. 9 yo to almost 2. Screw that! 🤣🤣🤣
'One is more wrong than the other.' lol love your logic Joy, Ive never heard of that lol
Its not worth a whole segment on the view if your kid breaks something its just right that the parent pays for it. period
I love Abby's stories.
They'd either be paying for my art, or paying their own hospital bill. It's their choice.
.....I just can't imagine you would ever have that much money
bahahahaha bloody awesome response
Or there is such a thing as homeowners insurance for things exactly like this...
Six years later...
Kid: How come everybody at school gets pocket money?
Parents: Honey, you broken someone's thing when you were four!
Open house, owner is responsible for putting valuable things away....
Just sold my house, paperwork says you should not leave valuables out. I made sure i stored or locked things up that I didn’t want stolen or broken. You should know lots of people will be in and out of your house. should parents have kept a close eye on their child, of course but you also don’t leave expensive stuff out. We can’t assume everyone is on top of their children.
The lady in red kinda sounds like she’s victim blaming...
Nobody specifically said that the kid was running around wild lol. How do we know that she wasnt standing right next to her parents, and didnt just accidentally bump into something.. while walking past it?
IJS.. people are so quick to scream how the parents dont discipline their child, and should've run for the belt immediately 🤣. When in reality.. it could've just been a total accident. And if that's the case.. then I blame the homeowners, because that couldve happened to ANYONE. Including an adult.
BUT.. if the kid WAS running around like a wild animal, then I blame the parents, and they're the ones at fault.
Bailey exactly. no one here is taking the time to examine the facts. they’re all rushing to judgment. i bet if the art is ugly or has no appreciation in this audience, they’d probably say let the homeowner pay-‘cause that’s small minded too
Homeowners insurance exists for these reasons as well including the expensive items in the home...
I was too distracted with that thing on whoopies head.. Franklin wants it back 😂
I haven't read through the comments but I'm sure that this is been said if you don't know how to teach your children not to act crazy in other people's homes that's on you. They should pay for that piece of art. Who brings small children to an open house anyway?!
your kid your problem...you paying me for what they broke espically if its expensive or you will be sued
Homeowners insurance...
If my kid brakes something I pay but I’m with Joy on this one the home owner share some responsibility too...
If you in somebody's house and you break something you pay for it.
I'm with joy x
This is actually a great opportunity to teach the child about consequences. The parents should pay and the child should do chores to pay the parents back. It will teach the child responsibility and to take better care in the future. This is not a tragedy but a learning experience.
I’m with Joy on this. Although the parents of the kid are also responsible, the house owner is more so.
They’d need to negotiate and come to some sort of agreement.
Parents need to pay for sure, but perhaps not the full cost of the item.
I think the best compromise would be for the parents to pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance. But I agree it's the owners fault for leaving valuables out in a situation like this.
Now i understand why my parents left the plastic on the couch
I like the different views here love it
I'm a former Realtor and the owners of the expensive art were complete idiots for leaving something so expensive out. Someone could have easily walked off with it, too. I say make the parent pay 1/2 the deductible because the owners need to pay for their stupidity/negligence.
If it's that expensive and you feel you need to be compensated it should have been insured
When selling a house, the seller is not responsible to remove unless they want to. The parents are responsible for what their children do as well as in school!
So if I’m selling my house while I’m still living there, I have to lock everything remotely fragile in a closet? If someone breaks your property because of their own carelessness, they’re responsible. That lady in red makes it sound like the homeowners left the piece of art recklessly lying in the middle of the floor. Watch your kids!
This is why you keep your small children close. Both accidents and on purposes happen when kids are young like that. The parents should have apologized, offered to pay, and should have included the child in both so the child understands that there are consequences in life.
Of course, the parents are responsible. There's no debate.
Yes there is. If I were having an open house and knew strangers we coming through I'd clear my house of valuables. If something broke the parents can pay the deductible on the homeowners insurance. What if the vase was 10k and you wanted to but couldn't afford to replace it? Insurance could. See a debate... It's good to be open minded and a gray thinker, not everything is black and white. Paying deductible seems like compromise, you're taking responsibly and owner gets replacement.
If it was an open house hosted by a realtor the realtor should have insurance to cover that kind of thing
Or the people selling would still have homeowner's insurance. The parents could pay the deductible. Seems reasonable.
I was a Realtor and we tell folks(as well as list in a contract) to remove valuables or sentimental items during open houses.
It depends on the situation, what kind of accident and location of art work.
They're saying an accident happened but the host are saying it was careless parents and wild child. It matters what happened, however the responsible thing to do is compensate them for what you broke. However I'd still like to know what actually happened.
I'd pay deducible on homeowners insurance. But I'd be pissed the owners weren't smart enough to put their valuables away. If I had strangers coming through my house for an event like this I'd put all valuables away. If an adult broke it and not a child Dane thing homeowners insurance anyways, not a big deal.
If you're opening up your house to the public I personally would remove the items* I care about... Home owners insurance...
Parents need to set the example for their child, and also do the right thing, and pay for it. When I was out shopping with my cousin's little girl (she was about 6 years old at the time) she dropped a ceramic magnet on accident when putting it back and it broke. We both stood there staring at it for a solid 10 seconds before I said "hand me that, please." And I went and paid for it and apologized, because as the adult in her life, and the only relative with her at the time, I needed to set the example that you own up to your mistakes.
Parents need to be parents. Accidents happen especially at that age but parents need to be responsible.
I see joy's point...i think it depends on how the artwork is displayed. Did she bump into it? Was the kid even running in the house? Need more info.
This is why when I sold my home I refused to have an open house. First of all I didnt want people
I dont know roaming around my home selling who knows what. Real estate agents don't have eyes in the back of their heads to watch everything everywhere.one of the problems today is parents do not watch their kids well enough and they don't teach their children how to act in different circumstances. Kids should not be brought along on a viewing of an open house. The parents cant be watching their kids the way they should and asking questions to the real estate agent at the same time. These parents are very much responsible for anything they break. Maybe if you want an open house have a disclosure they have to sign before entering the home.
Parents are responsible so pay the house owner for the damage ASAP.
Well how expensive is it? I dont know i feel like if u choose to have extremely expensive art that isnt on the wall, that can be knocked over, its a risk u take when u let little kids come in...i dont know tho
Parents should pay, they are responsible for there children’s behaviour! Same with damaging a couch, whatever the colour. I had 3 loose covered couches with ‘natural’ white covers, each with a spare set of covers for 15 years while my children were growing up, best investment ever! Whipped the covers off and washed them regularly to keep them fresh and when either the children, their friends our dogs or cats even the adults dropped or spilled anything on them. The colour didn’t fade and you could use any type of stain remover without worry about it mismatching. Finally replaced then out of boredom when my last child left tor Uni. In such good condition I recycled them!
Yes the parents are responsible. They should be teaching their kids hands off and respecting others property. If a kid breaks your window they’re responsible.
Wtf! It’s not the home owners responsibility to watch your child!!!!! What they can’t have nice things???
I agree with both sides. As a homeowner, it's my responsibility to put my valuables in a safe place, and as a parent it's my responsibility to pay for what my child breaks. It's not one or the other.
Don't bring your kid to a real estate open house. Get a babysitter.