Hillary Clinton & Condoleezza Rice on America’s Global Role | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast
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We’ve got not one former Secretary of State but TWO as our guests on this week’s podcast. Secretary Hillary Clinton and Secretary Condoleezza Rice are here for a fascinating discussion of American power, whether spreading democracy has actually made us safer, and what our role on the world stage should look like going forward. Plus, they make plans to take a little train trip together.
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What's most fascinating about this interview is how these two secretaries of state, from opposing parties, are in complete sync when it comes to illegal wars, regime change and the military industrial complex. No daylight between them. They were literally completing each other's sentences.
The Democrats and the Republicans profoundly disagree on many, many things.
Foreign policy is not one of them.
Yup, the Uniparty. It's like 2 mafia families run a town. While they'd prefer to own everything, they know they have to divvy up the goods. As long as one or the other family is in control of the car dealership, movie theater, etc- everything is fine. Once someone new comes into town and tries to start up, both families go full force to put an end to it.
@@Ishkur23 exactly
I found it to be disturbing. Greed is a-political. Unless your belief is about greed and desire itself (buddhism). Capitalism supports greed and covers it up when it is illegal. That's not just these 2 women, that's over 70 years of US policy, if not just US policy.
General Smedley D. Butler still wrote it down best in 'war is a racket':
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people.
Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight.
The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent.
Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers.
There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.
War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison.
Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps.
I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General.
And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.
In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service.
My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups.
This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914.
I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.
I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street.
The record of racketeering is long.
I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?).
I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916.
In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket.
Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints.
The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
Note that it was published in 1933 - and not one thing has changed...
Smedley has long been the most decorated US general, to be clear. Not some lapdog...
I love how Ms Rice says „When we went into Afghanistan…“ and then not a minute later says „See, Democracies don‘t invade other countries, dictatorships do“… without a single glimps of recognition of the irony here.
She is referring to the Democratic Peace Theory (hypothesis) which claims democracies don't fight each other because their people (voting constituents who will be doing the fighting) have a say in not going to war. It does not make claims on state to state relations when one or both of those players are non-democracies.
Claiming Brazil no longer being a military junta as an American success along with South America and Africa too was some pretty wild historical revisionism.
@@Marrow9000 ooooh, aren´t you fancy pants. How about addressing the 1 million dead in Iraq thanks to Ms. Rice & co. Real people. Real death. Real horror. Not theories. These ladies are not gonna be finding a place in heaven.
As it turns out, the USA isn’t really a democracy, despite its PR, and self identification.
Given that Afghanistan was a security threat to the region and the world (have you forgot about 9/11?)
if they switched "democracy" with "the interests of american corporations," their answers would sound much more honest
Thanks 👏
The US sacrificed tremendous interests in pursuit of democracy. Do you think we wanted Sadrists serving in Iraqi Parliament, or the SOFA to deny us the right to keep any permanent bases in Iraq? Do you think we wanted Afghanistan to make it illegal to convert to Christianity? No, but we tolerated this because of democracy
Для них это одно и тоже.
I want an online program with Hillary on Civics. We have zero education about our responsibilities as citizens.
"Democracies don't use WMDs" says Rice, forgetting that the US is the only country that used nuclear bombs on civilians.
C'mon now, we toned it down after that, only burning civilians alive using napalm and white phosphorous.
In an extraordinary military context. To world war 2
Atomic weapons actually
also uranium ammunition
@@marcbochner7733 what's the difference?
As Noam Chomsky said around 1990, if the Nuremberg Laws were applied, every American president after WWII would have been hanged. I think the same can be said for former US Secretaries of State.
Nuremberg Laws? or Nuremberg trials? Do you even check what you write. The Nuremberg Laws were antisemitic and racist laws that were enacted in Nazi Germany in 1935 . What ever you might have meant. Now you sound like you are a literal Nazi.
He also said the unvaxxed should removed from society and starved. He lived long enough for him to become the villain. Or village idiot.
The man is 100% Establishment since Covid 1984...
Not to take away what he said there, but I can't get past the fact that chomsky also called for those refusing to take the covid vaccination to be forced into camps and/or refused the ability to work and buy food.
So I don't take much out of a geriatric who wants to emulate nazi concentration camps
@@macdonalddube5189 Thanks for the lesson, professor.
Jon I have been watching your videos recently, and you gave these two a softball interview. I appreciate your respect for both, but you are a brilliant interviewer keep pushing forward with the common man/vet/police/fire/laborer/etc.
Hahaha softball? I guess you have access to classified intelligence and have been in all situation rooms like they were, so you can judge their decisions. Perhaps we should interview you? This is the problem with the ignorant, they have no clue and only judge for what they see... Just saying
It seems so weird to me that Jon didn't attempt to squeeze a little remorse out of these 2 Shield Maidens. The Blackwater guy, Erik Prince(?) got a softball interview, too...
@sdust251977 we know they did bad shit and lied. Are you just defending them because they were in stressful situations?
@@sdust251977 what is it like to be a mindless serf?? "Oh you just have to trust thuh leeders". What a mindless simp. Both are responsible for 10s of thousands of innocent deaths. Clinton was literally taking money from foreign nations for her money laundering "charity" who had decisions before her they wanted to influence. Rice is just your standard utterly corrupt republican. Oh.. well they both are
I wonder what their restrictions they asked to be on what could be asked on this interview was. It’s not normal for him to not to want to ask harder questions of people. Im sure Apple, and both sides had things limiting his ability to do that.
Why let these two add to Bullshit Mountain unchallenged, Jon?
These 2 politicians should be locked up in jail forever
War criminals!!
Amen. We don't need a "conversation" we these people. We need trials.
I can't believe how far Jon Stewart has fallen
@No Description Available: it’s honestly sad. He was a massive critic of the Iraq war and he is letting these two lie. The only thing I can think off why is he doing this, is because he is getting paid from someone in the US government
@jaws392 seriously was he threatened ffs
Condoleezza Rice really looked Jon in the eyes and continued the false narrative of, "We thought they [Iraq] had weapons of mass destruction" lmfaooo.
Sad to see Jon invite her on his show only to let her get away with this. He cut his teeth tearing apart the Bush administration on this very point. I guess after Trump the well-spoken, civil warmongers are the good guys now.
Because that may be what she really was told and continued to believe. It doesn't make it true, but it doesn't make it a lie coming from her, also.
@@dksu Good point.
@@iKyleonGunz Aren't you naive...sorry if you still have to grow up.
@@photonAP ...Do you know what naive means? Two things can be true at once.
That was the best interview ever and it should win awards!
Hello Callie how are you doing today?....Brilliant interview - with all the noise in the media one sometimes forget that there are actually intelligent people in America.....i hope you are enjoying the show?
That was an OUTSTANDING and substantive interview.
Speaking of "humility," I think that it would help our image abroad if our politicians would stop saying that we are the "greatest country in the world" or "the greatest country in the history of the world" as they all seem to love to do. It's an embarrassment in my view.
They don’t give a sht about the perception abroad. It’s pandering to US nationalism.
As an outsider, it makes sense to my ear when taken as 'the country that's the current dominant Empire'. (But I'm not disagreeing with you.) I think Jon's comparisons to Rome in the discussion are apt.
This interview is anything but humility. The US cause as much problems and suffering as they purport to solve. I notice they didn't ever touch on the fact that Iran is the way it is because of the US. They talk big about liberal democracy, but liberal democracy is an afterthought, the US only ever care about which governments are willing to do what they want. Oh yeah... they make mistakes... notice they never really talk about any of their mistakes, they will always be the hero of their own story.
It's better when we create connections with each other - because our western politicians (except Bernie) are the lobbyists' wXores.
Someone replied to my comment by saying (in so many words) that my point is moot because politicians don't care about outside opinions when they are pandering to the U.S. Nationalist base. I don't see their comment here anymore, but that is quite right. So, thank you.
I never thought I'd see Jon Stewart giving a tongue bath to two war criminals.
I mean he gave tongue baths to every guest on the Daily Show for years.
Ana Kasparian has a new role model.
That is disgusting.
It must have been hard for John not to go after the "We thought Sadam hat chemical Weapons" thin Ms Rice said.
Jon only goes after Republicans who say those things. Democrats have a perpetual shield when it comes to their support of the Bush admin in going into Iraq.
Jon: do this again. A part 2. So much more to cover Amazing & illuminating interview. Incredible. They trust you-
That’s the problem - no guts to break that trust and ask what should’ve been asked - not even the slightest bit of pushback with 2 war criminals at the table. I’m still stewing at one an opportunity lost this was.
How about discussing how China is having a positive influence in Africa and the Middle East, often capitalizing on American mistakes?
At 6:38 watching Condoleeza Rice say "The United States can't impose democracy, that doesn't work," first my head exploded...then I said to myself, "Well, if anyone would know..."
I actually screamed into my pillow at 34:39
Or just as astonishing; Clinton remarking incredulously, "What's next?" in cautioning as to when and where we get involved in foreign theaters.
The USA is the most terrorist country in the world. All of the wars for resources and imperialism. The CIA Violently overthrowing legally elected leaders in other countries who did not want to let USA corporations and the west in to rape their countries of resources. If the American public really knew the history of this country they would be AGHAST. A good documentary to watch that shows a lot of what I'm talking about is "Zeitgeist Addendum" which can be seen on UA-cam.
It has been more than 10 years, people do learn from their mistakes. Look at W, he wants to distance himself from his Presidency more than anyone.
Condescending Rice, always made me feel like I was in that mandatory college English class that I already attended. She is a status quo professor. Like an Amy Coney Barrett. Total opposite of Hillary who brings UP a conversation to deeper thought.
I struggle with these interviews because Jon is able to make some small progress on their positions but then they come off as rational and factual while completely avoiding the real facts around imperialism and our extraction of wealth and resources from the counties we invade. Iraq was always about the oil and that needs to be called out here.
You're right of course, but Jon's drawing the line in a different place. His goal is to get them talking without making it a puff piece and as a result we get to see both how intelligent and yet deluded these two former Secretaries of State are. I struggle to listen to HRC talk without getting distracted by what I would like to confront her with, so it was an exercise in self-discipline. My politics are far to the left of JS, but I love his beautiful heart and brain.
How much oil did the US extract from Iraq or lybia or Afghanistan? How much did the wars cost?
@@sh740 The wars cost way way more than any oil benefit. The cost benefit analysis just doesn't work. It wasn't about oil. That was a benefit
The USA is the most terrorist country in the world. All of the wars for resources and imperialism. The CIA Violently overthrowing legally elected leaders in other countries who did not want to let USA corporations and the west in to rape their countries of resources. If the American public really knew the history of this country they would be AGHAST. A good documentary to watch that shows a lot of what I'm talking about is "Zeitgeist Addendum" which can be seen on UA-cam.
@@integratedboxingsystem8827 At the macro level, I'd have to disagree. Europe and the major powers were in a state of perpetual war for a thousand years until America became the sole superpower. The period of unprecedented peace that followed the second world war - and that we've enjoyed in our lifetimes - is precisely because America became that sole superpower. Never has a country with such an economic and military advantage over the rest of the world acted with such restraint.
It is great to see adults talk like adults no matter their point of view.
That’s right. One can sense the mutual respect in the room.
Not very intelligent when "condi" says that "we have improved democratic conditions around the world", given that the usa is now an oligarchy. And this discussion proves that there is only one political party at the service of that oligrchy.
@@juliocortazar8143yea they just lie and lie
Condi . . Respect you mucho . . but still . . The Republican Party . .
is in a state of an [ Oligarchy ] . .
and those in Power . . don’t speak out . I’m bored . . and thinking . .
What am I going to have for lunch . .
🥁 🥁 . . 🍔 🍟 🥤 . .
Jon,
Thank you for your excellent work. I want you to know that it is paying dividends. As a professor, I have and will continue to use this program in my community college HIST-1302 (American History 1865-2010) course here in Dallas, Texas. This kind of mutually-respectful, balanced-approach, deep dive into the issues is what is needed to help us develop adult citizens who are active participants in healthy, robust democracy.
🎉
@David Robison Your's is the only thoughtful and respectful comment I've read so far. Thank you for being a teacher. I liked this program. Both strong women in their roles at the time. Maybe the two of them can run together on a ticket. I bet the two of them would kick MAGA's Butt.
I got my Associates degree in history at a community college. Thank you for working a crucial and underappreciated job! 5 years after finishing community college and I have studied in three countries, currently finishing my mastersin Italy and about to intern at a university in Istanbul. I couldn't have done it without the amazing professors at my old community college.
Lol - 3 globalists, one of them pretending to be a democrat, the other pretending to be a republican, "interviewed" by a celebrity pretending to be a critical thinker. They all belong to the same club. How can a professor be so naive?
@@coffelt683 I really believe that US community colleges have the potential to be a tremendous force for good with proper funding. The small class sizes and the availability of remedial courses to fill in gaps from high school are perfect for people who want to pursue higher ed but aren't quite prepared for the sink-or-swim atmosphere at many large universities.
Chaos is the feature not a bug , Jon Stewart ( open letter # 189 ) ...... ua-cam.com/video/f9__bzhsEgM/v-deo.html
Condoleezza Rice belongs in prison! It is unbelivable to me that she, Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld never got tried for warcrimes!
And Hillary Clinton does not belong in prison? She and Obama wrecked Libya and Syria, she keeps fearmongering about Russia including spreading the lie that "Russia hacked the election" . It is that view of Russia as the enemy and the expansion of NATO that sowed the seeds of the Ukraine war.
Rice was not the only person on that stage who is a war criminal. And I'm not talking about Jon Stewart.
@@russellburgess684 This old crap? lol how'd those midterms go? MAGA pos
@@Wayzor_ Try again. Voted for Nader twice. Volunteered for Kucinich. Voted for McKinney in 08. Would have held my nose and voted for Sanders despite some terrible foreign policy votes. Will never support the corporatist, war mongering duopoly/kleptocracy regardless if it's an ass or elephant.
@@russellburgess684 Yeah, please. She and Hillary can share a cell as far as Im concerned. =)
I wish Chris Hedges or Jimmy Dore would have been invited to this interview. They would have called out these insane war mongering women!
Exact reason people like those are not invited. That would ruin good propaganda.
So instead of a civilised conversation you would be in favour of summary execution . That is the Nazi way.
@@roughhabit9085 There is nothing civilized about the pain and suffering that Hillary and Rice have brought to this world.
...there are more Defense Contractors & Lobbyists than legislators. And the line is blurred.
Nothing will ever discredited these shameless repitles .
These two people have more blood on their hands than all the world serial killers put together.
Da fuq?
“Nothing will ever discredited these shameless reptiles.”
26 likes to an unintelligible comment. This is America.
@@astheskylarksings please. obviously Shawn meant "discredit". you couldn't figure that out?
Also, there is only one like. At least that's what I'm shown
@@ChannelMath eh? What does: “Nothing will ever discredit these shameless reptiles” mean? 😅
@Aden Lind let’s start with English. 🤷♂️ Nothing will ever discredit these shameless reptiles.”
Explain what this means. That they are loved and can say anything they want?
@@ChannelMath They made it that far in life. Too many of you can't even keep peace in your own family! Remember, a little humility can help you! Happy Thanksgiving!
This is disappointing. I feel that interviewing war criminals should be done by the International Criminal court, as John Stewart fails to stop them from lying throughout it.
So sad to see him do this. And accepting their assumption that policing the fighting anyone we don't like is for good reasons and OK if we can afford it and plan for what happens afterwards. It sickens me to see Jon Stewart do this; he was so much better.
This was Colbert level cringe. Two war criminals and not a single hard question.
@@guzmas31 What kind of cheese do you like with your WHINE?? Your name is not familiar as a high level statesman who claims to have a better solution to the REAL problems these officials faced. We be the Big Dawg. Thank Almighty God! We are the most benevolent, least cruel, bigoted most generous and peace loving Big Dawg in all of human history. Happy Thanksgiving!
the international criminal court - based in my country, is very limited as well. In both cases, money and political momentum decide a lot of the outcome. And they take a decade, or two per case. I was just a bit dissappointed by Jon, he usually is sharper than this. I suppose he too has a blindspot...
@@corbeau-_- I am aware, it has become a figure of speech more than anything else tbh, as in reality I have no confidence in these institutions.
Jon, you had such a good chance to ask them hard questions. Why were your questions so softball?
Потому что Кеннеди😢. Они показали что не остановятся не перед чем, для достижения абсолютной власти. Показательно на камеры убили президента США. Стюарт просто маленький комар. Прихлопнут и не заметят. Джону приходится быть осторожным. Само появление этих разговоров это знак. Банко-печатники завели систему в неуправляемое пике. Не СМИ не контроль над соцсетями не помогают. Эти существа решили показать что готовы на компромисс с обществом. Но, но, но не обольщайтесь. Это просто игра, в крайнем случае сольют пару тройку фигур, да хоть ту же Хилари.
He’s controlled opposition
George Carlin once said years ago that John Stewart was destined to do great things……. he was right. Thank you for being a voice of reason and standing up to power. We need more voices like yours.
He would be sad now seeing this.
@@addyred1861 You are 100% right. I could go on and on, but I'll say one thing for both women. One was a chief architect for the disastrous wars for oil, minerals, security, and rebuilding profits in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Not one single 9/11 hijacker was from either nation.) The other one voted for these cockamamie schemes that brought death and destruction to hundreds of thousands, mostly civilians, the majority women, children, the aged. Added bonus for chutzpah: Clinton voted for the Defense of Marriage Act. You know, because her marriage was- in her word- "sacred."
John Stewart is not the same as he was. He’s a shill like the rest of the corporate media.
Lmao! “Standing up”? What video did you watch. These war mongering women had Jon scared to push back.
@@ajsans9161 You're right, or, as it's usually written on these boards, your right.
I was really hoping for catch a predator twist here, where these 2 get arrested at the end for war crimes.
Ladies, you may have been wondering why I really invited you here tonight. Offstage there are a number of men with handcuffs....
😂😂😂
“Used the issue not to solve the problem , but to consolidate power for themselves”. Wow
I’m bathing in the wonder of impeccable intellect that this conversation brought BACK to us all. I don’t know how this happened, but it’s really fascinating that it did.
Hello Callie how are you doing today?.....this conversation is one of a kind it's mind blowing with deep message behind the scene...i hope you are enjoying every minute of the show Callie?
Libya. Iraq. Judge by the fruits.
Bro what?
i can't imagine being so dimwitted i thought this was intellectual conversation
lovely exchange of thoughtful conversations with intelligent people always find it refreshing regardless of POV
Holy crap, he actually asked about the military industrial complex to their faces lmao
...he's contemplating suicide a week from next Tuesday, 11:15p, outside his front door, w1 round to the back of his head...
Jon is the absolute best. The daily show was great when he hosted it but his new show is at least 10x better.
Not only did he say it to their faces, he did it in such a humble and poignant way that they were shamed.
That part was awesome!
I agree these questions need to be asked ... But it's always been the Secretaries of States's jobs to be the point person for making hard lives-at-stakes decisions, and sadly most if not all have blood on their hands ... But now it becomes a point of conversation when it's the women starting to hold such positions ... These questions should have been mainstream with their men counterparts too -- guilt is so often put on women, when it should have been posed long ago straight to their prior male counterparts faces too.
@@marceybull There's plenty of conversations out there of trying to assign guilt to Henry Kissinger, to use another prominent Secretary of State. While I would agree that Kissinger has never expressed anything approaching regret for his decisions, it has happened.
This was heartbreaking to watch. Jon didn't even call them out that it's not only that the US wasn't prepared for what came after, but what right does the US have to invade other nations in the first place. I guess I had him all wrong.
Jon has become a sellout. Sadly.
@@lylebardwell6716 Wrong
John Stewart was always and is propagandist of New Liberals agenda. Nothing new here.
@@morocco8990 Tell me which important media figures completely disagree with your politics but you don't think they're a "shill." You people are so small minded that everything from a mainstream figure that disagrees with your personal morality ("America bad!" in your case) is dismissed as paid off or evil.
@@J.NeiraAuthor
If you work at Main Stream media then you are a propagandist. And if you interview war criminals and be so soft on them and align with their blatant lies then you are an evil.
Jon Stewart, you're so all up in my feed that I was afraid you had passed. Oy! I'm SOOO happy its not the case! Thank you so much for being who you are and doing what you do!!! You're a WONDERFUL voice for good and logic and the way that you push back so strongly and without being nasty. You just do it exactly right!!💜💜💜
Great discussion. This is what intelligent conversation sounds like.
Cut to Lauren Boebert and Majorie Green, and these two women look and sound like aliens, today.
This is what they want you to think intelligent conversation sounds like. These women, who are supposed to be on the opposite sides of the ideological spectrum, are actually aligned ENTIRELY. Their only concern is that of total US global hegemony, at any cost. For Condoleezza that was the deaths of 500,000 innocent Iraqis and the destabilization of nearly the entire middle east. For Hillary that meant destroying the entire country of Libya and supporting ISIS fighters to overthrow Assad in Syria. These women should be tried for war crimes. What Jon says starting at 25:03 is referencing those two events exactly.
Sadly just a reminder that even those who consider themselves on the left in politics are so far to the right that they don't know the difference. Hillary refusing to acknowledge the link between America arming the world and the trouble those arms cause is Republican 101.
Wrong this is what stablemates propaganda sounds like. This war criminals think the same because they’re both corrupt establishment tools and Jon disappointed me because he didn’t push back not even on the war in Iraq being illegal and the weapons of mass destruction was completely fabricated by the U.S. and UK governments to help oil corporations.
They had the best words.
I never knew I could feel this much rage and disgust and injustice.
welcome to the two-party oligarchy!
87% of civilians in Iraq were not killed by coalition forces (according to Iraq Body Count). They committed senseless carnage in large part because they knew people like you would blame their American enemies. How else do you explain such bizarre events as the July Soccer Bombings, which seemed to target no particular sect? The rage and disgust you should feel is that a perverse inversion of karma you enabled, by turning our enemies atrocities into a propaganda victory against their Western enemies.
That’s exactly what the plan is. To enrage you. Don’t fall for it. Stay centered. You are the eye of the hurricane.
Then you weren't paying attention before.
Those politicians are God-damned spectacular at avoiding questions. It's astonishing how easily they shift accountability for their actions. It's like it comes natural, or something.
He didn't even ask the questions that he did when he had his show. He's a stupid sellout
I'm not making excuses for some people, but there is a lot more that goes in to politics than what meets the eye. For example, it's really not as simple as "let's stop supporting Ukraine and give that money to the people"
@Aden Lind what? Russia did not attack Ukraine "for their own protection". Ukraine was not a threat to Russia. NATO wasn't either. Putin just had a problem with the liberal west, but not so much a problem with the right-wing west. Which is why he helped Trump get elected
They're not that good when once great Jon Stewart provides ZERO pushback. The problem "with" Jon Stewart?
@Aden Lind thank you, I'd much rather support democratic nations than an egotistical insane dictator who cares about nothing but himself
Thanks, again, Jon, and I concur ... this should have been hours. Excellent discussion, too bad they can't do it in WA.
What a good conversation. People need to hear more of this style of conversation with former and current powerful politicians. I think they need it too. It keeps people questioning and promoting higher degrees of thought.
Conversation? Sounds more like US propaganda. Arrogant US fascist think they could classify country by who is good and who is evil, there is one evil only and it is the United Snakes of America
You don't think it normalizes us to accept a comfortable world domination?
isnt enough words in the human vocabulary for me to describe my love for Madam Sec. Clinton. This bit$h plays zero games and knowing how much Putty and China FEAR her makes it even more practical to at least use her come 2024 NOT Putin's boy toy.
Can’t believe Jon is not pushing back on some of the statements. rice went over CIA crimes in latin America like a footnote. So disappointing.
No she admitted they supported juntas that fought against communism. That was after all what the Cold War was about- fighting the expanding sphere of communism.
I think Stewart wasn't talking to them to publicly prove them wrong but rather to allow the 2 former Secretaries of State to lay out their hypocrisies for podcast listeners. He challenged them both and gave them space to skewer themselves with their responses. My take away was/is-It's a good thing that neither Clinton nor Rice are in positions of power.
He doesn't have to. With the little pushes he's done, he's let Rice and Clinton make his points for him.
If you push people o the level of these two with direct accusations, they know how to respond to that. They can even walk out.
But because Jon is engaging in a conversation, they sit there and talk, revealing more than what they would if someone was aggressive against them
Agree!
This was a very disappointing interview, and I think it tarnishes Jon Stewart's legacy of holding power to account.
The Problem with Jon Stewart is that he softballed this interview.Stewart knows that Rice is lying about WMD's and does not confront her.Stewart used to do pieces on Rice lying about WMDs.
Isn't his most famous clip of when he grilled Judith Miller for contribution to leading the American public into supporting the Iraq war. I wonder what happened to him
Valid points. I think one question is what is the purpose of the interviews on this show. In these sort of interviews he has been trying to let the other person speak more. I agree id like to see him push back more how he has/does in other formats, but the point might be he is trying to put out these connecting threads and just letting the interviewees fully respond. Don't think it's as sinister as the implication here was
Mike, do you think Stewart forgot how to be confrontational? Of course not-- he soft-balled this particular interview for a reason. He wanted them to speak freely.
Wait for part 2 guys
Consider the liberal center demographic a show like this is obviously aimed at. You know before Hillary agreed to go on the show a pact was made for Jon to not inquire about the obvious stuff. And have you seen the Clinton body count??
The look on Jon's face when Hillary invited Jon to take part in a pretend "situation room" with them was priceless!
The look of hillary when jon started to talk about Libya, seems like she was entertaining the idea of having jon "eliminated"...
The old school could talk to each other On both sides Red or blue. I hope we keep having conversations like this
Gross. On all levels. They both have zero legitimacy.
When you realize we live in a world where comedians are asking the important questions.
Thanks Jon.
as always been
Don't forget the Comedian showing great leadership and saving Ukraine.
Important questions?
Like how much was Gaddafi wanting to leave the petrodollar involved in your decision to kill him, why didn't you do the same to the Saudis.
Everything he asked was scripted and all their answers were propagandized lies if you look even a millimeter into any of these topics.
Wake up.
Not just asking the important questions, but asking them well, and respectfully. It's not a punditry debate between political factions, it's a mediated and fluid discussion, free of hyperbole, with participants from both parties. Comedians, because of their creativity, are frequently much more gifted thinkers and speakers than are the reporters and pundits you see in 24 hour news cycles. There are so many examples of folks like Jon, but oh man is this a reminder of the trail he and people like Carlin have blazed for nuanced thought and analysis. Jon Stewart remains one of the most gifted interviewers of his generation. I remember the first visit that Powell made when he left office was Jon's show, and they dedicated an entire episode to the interview: that's a gifted thinker respecting a gifted thinker, 100%.
From the Jest and Jokers of old, Mark Twain, Charlie Chaplin, and so on into modernity that indeed has long been the case.
Condoles and Hillary reminds me of the old days when the R and D could at least talk.
It's not about the US government "pulling back", it's about the US refocusing on people, environmental and economic priorities at home and abroad in a way that is "humble", democratic and diplomatic.
The fact he can keep a straight face in this sea of b.s. is amazing
Rice and Clinton on justifications for US interventions were astonishing. Jon, you have the last word, Sir. Massive respect for your sharp, truth telling observations. These two women danced around the stark truth of your criticisms. You were and are the one voice I trust to cut through the BS.
How to blow a multi-decade reputation in 44 minutes flat. Bravo, Jon -- you did it!!
My thoughts exactly
I couldn’t said it better myself!!
Yes! Nailed this. Lie after lie after lie unchallenged.
So you liked her before that?
@@astheskylarksings haha!
I hope a large % of the 1 m whom have digested this program, do as I am , and review this discussion again, after 9 months 🤓🧐😁🤗, 🥰🇺🇸🤗 !
This interview should have lasted several hours ! Thank you 👍
Hello Kim how are you doing today?..... i'm happy for Sandra and Bill may God bless their new home....i hope you are enjoying the show?
Why the truth might slip out
Это интервью должен проводить судья с прокурором.
Funny how they both agree on so much about US interventions...almost makes you think there is really just one party!
Back then there was.
The "almost" is relevant when you consider that the two parties essentially differ over cultural policy, or what I consider, "window dressing." But where it comes to military expenditure, war profiteering, pandering to big business endeavors while throwing the American working citizen overboard, etc., they are very much the same party.
There was and still is, only the corporate party.
I think the flaw is thinking the two party will yield different results in the first place. The two party we have is just a vehicle and mechanism to achieve power, beyond that, it’s ONE American System and both parties work within that framework and thereby yield similar results irrespective of what party vehicle got you into power.
Back then there was . This is funny .👍
This looks and feels like Jon is part of the club.
Sold out
Sad…..
only way he got this interview approved. it is now a marketing piece. they knew the outcome before it was done
@@demolitionsexpert and somehow people think we don't have censorship.
He is definitely part of the propaganda machine. Softballing war criminals is a sign he has completely lost his way.
Would love to see more discussions with both sides. Very meaningful even a year later.
Loved thispod cast. Wish we could have it last longer
Hello Karen how are you doing today?......it's an amazing interview so brilliant....i hope you enjoyed the interview?
Актеры так себе. "мы убили миллионы людей, потому что нам что то показалось" замечательно. Конечно это случилось не потому что Пентагон у надо было куда то истратить старое оружие, военным корпорациям надо было продать новое оружие. Сейчас они хотят "поискать химическое оружие" в России и Китае.
Making points, not interrupting, not screaming, thank goodness for Mr. Stewart. Love listening.
Lol they talk over Jon multiple times.. totally insane responses on the US warmachine questions.
Unfortunitally most people in US treat it like the WWF
@@EattheApple666 Now WWE!
It's really sad when these two women gave out the closest version of any truth in history that Americans have been given and people are in here second-guessing these women that's about the most honest appeal I've ever seen of the New deal & americas choices
One of those women helped lie us into a war we got tangled in for two decades and the other felt entitled to being president.
I’ve been denied medical care 6 times going through 13 major surgeries. Begging for medical care here is the price of my freedom.
That is heart breaking and I am sure very scary for you. As a Canadian I have had 5 major procedures in my life the last two, knee replacements in the last 4 years with NO COST to me and just part of our medical coverage. It has always confused me why the US considers our medical care as socialized when it is nothing more than a Canadian right for good health care, not perfect but so much better than many.
Voting for candidates who will implement some version of medicare is the answer. We have the freedom to do that.
And need not be there is absolutely no reason why Americans should not have good and affordable healthcare
@@janicegullett8779 In the US the for profit healthcare industry makes campaign contributions to politicians to keep them from passing Medicare for All (which has the support of 70% of the population). It's impossible to get anything like that done because the culture war causes voters to be easily distracted & manipulated. These industries, including big pharma, also spend billions in advertising each year on television. Every other ad on cable news is some pill for erectile dysfunction. They're the biggest customers of our "news." So when we have political primaries, the "news" smears any candidate that supports popular policies, like Medicare for All, & tells viewers to vote for the "moderate" like Hillary Clinton because they're "more electable." They don't really ever back those statements up with data, because the polling data shows that's not true. Unfortunately, liberal voters in the US are really easily manipulated by corporate media and progressives are emotionally battered if they try to demand anything. I don't believe change is possible in a political & economic system that is this far gone. The top 1% owns the entire political duopoly.
@@trishaferrand1395 ...it turns out voting is a cure for nothing...
Great, vital questions, Jon. Thank you.
Great conversation, the John Stewart effect!
They tip toe'd and jumped over that monsterous hurdle of defense contractors 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣 great interview ‼️
The question is asking for speculation and an answer within this timeframe. On the one hand there's a clear answer if you're not someone with connections to the government. On the other, you don't get much more complicated than geopolitics and diplomacy, and Jon of course knows this and allowed Hillary to take a small sample of why we're in a diplomatic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position.
I think they know defense is what America America. Without our military capabilities, I doubt other countries would respect our diplomats. Speak softy and carry a big stick works only if you have a big stick.
Both of these women, their friends and their families are making money off of their “defense” contract stocks. Defense contractors own the Fed. They can’t say a peep to offend their corporate donors.
@@testingtesting8785 While that is true, it's not really a morally sound justification. America is constantly interfering with other democracies with coups, propaganda, giving money to the campaigns of madmen who they then stab in the back like Saddam Hussein, and economic isolation. When these things create chaos and violence, that creates a market for war, which is good for defense contractors.
Basically, it's in the financial interests of defense contractors to destabilize the world.
I guess the quote should be "speak softly, spread violence and ruin, and carry a big stick in case anyone tries to stop you from ruining people's lives." Not really as pithy though.
lol ikr. The look on Condi's face when he said Lockheed Martin was priceless
"Of course we had to continue strategic relationships with authoritarian regimes" You don't impose democracy, but you do impose market capitalism, which is absolutely authoritarian
yeah that how they change a conversation, of what really is the problem in this world. but that liberals for you lot of people think of them as an ally, but they are obstacle best example i can think of is california and affordable housing/mental illness treatments if u want to look up the anecdote how liberals actually act...
Bingo
I get this wouldn’t have been Jon’s focus here to play hardball with both of their hawkish policies, but the moment Condoleezza talked about focusing on democracy post Cold War, I would have loved to hear her comment on Bush Admin’s role in democratically elected Aristide’s overthrow in Haiti in 2004. We owe so much to the Haitian people. Research it. Don’t forget it.
The big issues need to be addressed with the concept of what are the things we as a nation believe, the limits of our resources and the realization that siting in a comfortable chair in a conditioned room is far from being the average person going through problems.
Jon can claim all he wants that he's not a journalist, but holy shit. This is like what I'd expect from some long-form documentary-style interview, it's really good ^_^
With cordial interviews like this one, he takes cues from people like Terry Gross or BBC reporters. With hostile interviews where he's confident that the interviewee is going to lie, he takes cues from trial lawyers. In both cases there is a tremendous amount of research and preparation required. I think every journalist in this country should take note of what he's doing.
He is a journalist of the highest order, but if he admits it, he could wind up burning in fox hell, they could buy his contract! Or on pbs, and if he says or does anything the overlords there don't like, he would get the Rose treatment! After all pbs are the lefty voice and believes in freedom, not!
This is exactly the same as every other reporter! Not a single real question, just a platform for 2 of the most corrupt human beings on earth to pretend how virtuous they’ve been throughout their lives while laughing out loud talking about supporting dictators.
So remember when everybody was crying about him leaving The daily show this is why he left so he could interview and do what he wanted instead of having somebody look over his shoulder people never think about the long game
@@backstabingpike I mean, he did this kind of stuff on the daily show too, tho you're right that it wasn't to this extent. He left the daily show because he had done it for 15 years and was tired lol
This just goes to reinforce my initial belief that both parties are more aligned and in tune than they let on. Democracy only functions to favor the primary keys. That doesn't mean any other alternatives out there are appealing but we need to understand and accept its limitations because only then can we make the necessary adjustments. Divide and conquer is real.
It just feels good to consume logic, reason, moderation, and intelligent thought when we often consume only flashy soundbites. Thank you!
I didnt know that you could "consume logic, reason, moderation, and intelligent thought" from two war criminals. I really dont think thats possible.
@@juliocortazar8143 say it again! They need to hear it!
Well said.
@@juliocortazar8143"war criminals" ? lol you people like to make up shit don't you ?
@@floepiejaneNo we don't
She says casually “of course we had to keep strategic with some authoritarian regimes” the narcissism and the lack of awareness of those words. We had these murderous regimes in South America BECAUSE of US intervention. The implications of that, the lives lost, the death of art and free speech, It’s heartbreaking and shocking
nevertheless its a valid and important point of foreign policies
A necessary evil.
It had to be done. Join the real world
@@MakeSomeNoiseAgencyPlaylists No it is not. Why are you defending sociopaths?
@@HCaulfield115 Nonsense. WTF is wrong with you?
This should be the Prime-Time news on a daily basis. This is more informative, more instructive, and more important than any 90-minute news-cast I've seen in years.
You should read Enough Already by Scott Horton
Certainly lays out the facts more bluntly
Couldn't agree more!
Exactly, and even though they have very opposing views, they still can speak and work together. This is where America was the strongest
Loved this interview, different views and opinions, but very civil and factual, each one makes her point without negating the other. This is where America could be the absolute strongest ever - being able to cross the partisan line and work together
all i heard in this conversation was when jon was trying to make a point, the other two were like 'no no, we're right, and what we're saying is right, i can't hear you"
00:20 "You can now get your very own set of salt n' pepper nodding dolls for only $29.95!"
What was the most offensive part of this for everyone?
For me it was when Condi said "when you are a superpower, you tend to involve yourself in places all over the world". That use of the passive voice, "you", which in fact was actually HER, really infuriated me.
I expected all the lies these two war criminals spewed. Jon acting like a spineless worm was the big disappointment.
Hilarious, you seem to think Rice is alone in having a desire to involve the US everywhere.
It was offensive that this interviewer had his balls checked at the studio door before this interview! What a hack j. Stewart is!! Gee Jon you can’t ask the war criminal Hillary why we left Libya a failed smoldering wreck with open air slave auctions?!?!?!? What a sad remnant of himself!!
@@magnetiktrax he didn't say it was just her but she didn't push back on going to war in Iraq where countless American and Iraqi citizens were killed and maimed
@@magnetiktrax she isn't, she is but one of many from both parties who support interventionist policies.
After all what we know about WMDs, I was expecting a little more contrition from Rice.
They never do and never will (and not just these two). It's horrifying
No shame. None. She's despicable.
I don’t expect much from psychopaths TBF
Or, some PUSHBACK from Stewart!!
This was a really great conversation.
excelente este debate entre las 2 mejores secretarias de estado que ha tenido USA.
This breaks my heart. To see JS just let them go on wo calling on their BS when they were discussing world politics.
This want an attack. This was a conversation. You don’t randomly start yelling at someone you are talking to. They are discussing the nuances of democracy and how it can just be a veil for autocrats. We know what they are responsible for in the Middle East and elsewhere, and we don’t need a rehashing of the same old.
Look, you can't expect the man to take a flame thrower to their faces... He's got a show to run, and future guests he wants to keep from scaring away. He did great. Period. He asked most of the relevant questions, many of which were toughies for those two neo-cons. The smart kids know what he accomplished in that interview, everybody else isn't going to change their minds anyhow...
Jon Stewart has always been an establishment puppet.
@@AtillatheFun
@@bbob70 I mean, isn't anyone whose career revolves around the mainstream? Some are just more enthusiastic about their devotion to the status quo than others, while others play the role of pushing the envelope, but always within the reasonable boundaries of the establishment. There are a lot of things that Stewart has done for our culture, and for disenfranchised segments of the population through his direct challenges to authority, but to stay operational while reaching the most viewers possible, I don't see how else he'll accomplish that besides keeping on good terms with said establishment.
A really, really, really great conversation that we (Americans) don't have enough in an open way.
We so need a part two to this!
Mind blowing to see how differently Jon treats these women compared to how he treats their male counter-parts. I mean I'm not stupid enough to have thought that Jon Stewart was some singularly honest & genuine guy, but this is a full display of him going limp, cowering to both of these women.
He’s controlled opposition
Jon you failed to push back on "strategic relationship." On the ground, propping up a "dictator for life” is the antithesis of democracy, which the US FP pursues in the name of "strategic relationship." You can't have the cake and eat it too.
Thanks for all you do.
Jon is not in interested in destroying the system
Diplomacy is not playground antics that the teacher watches. You might look it up
@@imbalancedstatus8824 Let's destroy the system. Okay what do you want to replace it with? Fuck that. I just wanted to destroy it. I don't care what happens afterwards. That's your problem.....
Right on, most people want to destroy the system, and think that's the answer. same with those civil war peepaws. i always wondered what would have happened if those brainworm zombies got control of congress that they and we would have said. "ok some me the money" imagine those people trying to hold a senate session. hahah
see a lot of comments of Jon being to soft or not pushing back. These two are media trained to the max. The more you make them feel they have the upperhand to more they will slip up. the more you push them on things the more they will deflect.
Sad to see Jon has completely lost his spine
He probably never had one.
Pure propaganda at this point.
How is allowing a true political discussion calming by two different people with fundamental different views calmly spineless????? Did you even listen him ralling against the defense complex. How both of them defended against him.
Bravo! Superb intelligent conversation based on experience, knowledge.
From stand up comedian to discussing geopolitics and American hegemony with two former Secretaries of State. What an arc!
A conversation with believers in empire 😂😂😂
How do you sit there and not push back on these two neoliberal war criminals?
How are they war criminals
@@Khronogi Get lost troll. People aren't as stupid as you.
While sleeping atop a big pile of money.
THIS is classic; very informative from two very intelligent Americans.
Jon Stewart and the camera man. The other two are war criminals
What? These two bitches should be in jail for war crimes
Wow! Loved this one! Great Conversation and with representatives from both sides! So we CAN come together
They represent the same military industrial deep state CIA complex.
When you’re partly responsible for millions of deaths, it’s hard for a person to face that reality if they ain’t complete psychopaths. So what we get is these two people, coping, weaving, hiding, diverting, smoothing-over….
This is the best take!
You have no idea what it takes to be a leader. They study their enemies and make tough choices. I t hink you're late for your shift at McDonald's.
@@dawnbrown6578 So you think they have nothing to answer for? Newsflash there were no "weapons of mass deception." If you still believe that you don't even qualify to work at McDonald's.
Putting aside you pulled "millions" out of thin air, people like you are responsible for those deaths because you ensured every atrocity the insurgents committed became a propaganda victory. 87% of civilians in Iraq were not killed by coalition forces according to Iraq Body Count, and they committed senseless carnage in large part because they knew people like you would blame their Western enemies. How else do you explain such bizarre events as "The July Soccer Bombings" which seemed to target no particular sect and were just to 'get attention'?
These are the personification of a tool.
This! More of this please
Hillary Clinton & Condoleezza Rice on America’s Global Role | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast
As a trained historian and educator who teaches Modern World History and Global Issues I take umbrage at terms like "those people" and " country" when talking about India and the Kurds.. this coming after talking about the importance of humility! My students certainly know better..
I meant "that country!"
This was just US Imperialist talking points with little pushback. The US protecting US interests means by any means possible. Complete nonsense.
Great discussion! And kudos to Jon for asking the right questions. I'm a strong advocate for rationality based on common sense and intuition. As long as half the nation is being bamboozled by the Church and Murdock Media, it will become increasingly difficult to have productive discussions and functional politics.
Great re-writing of history to justify some of the worst wars and war crimes of the past 2 decades....If that's what the population need then the country is too far gone for anything good to come out of it.
I was just watching a debate earlier today and I realized at one point I was listening to a comedian telling me about the geopolitics of ukraine and what military supplies it needs and I thought to myself why does NO ONE EVER HAVE SERIOUS GUESTS ANYMORE but thank god for this channel
Sad state for journalists when a comedian does better interviews than most. Happy to have Jon back
He's more than a comedian at this point in his career, and has been for at least the last two decades.
There's a strong correlation between great humorist and intelligence.
He did not push back on the WMD lie and just allowed them to spout imperialist nonsense.
Sad state of you when you believe this is journalism.
@@KingMinosxxvi its reflective of how bad the typical journalism is that this conversation can recieve such high praise
I’m honestly surprised they even agreed to do this.
Why, three adults talking about issues. This is the way it was before Barack was elected. Whitey lost their minds and they have not come back to reality.
Maybe you’re too young to remember but politicians in the US traditionally don’t have antagonism w press and journalism, you can disagree with them but politicians were transparent in general and open with the press or whoever. It was bad form not to be. Conversations like this were the norm. Accountability to press and public were the norm. The last years have been unusual.
Why that ?
Same. Corrupt neolibs like Clinton and Rice hardly ever deign to look down from their ivory towers built by corporate donor money long enough to recognize the existence of progressives like Jon. They fear that their voters might actually listen to him and demand change in the democratic party. What they don't seem to realize is that the voters are far more progressive than we were in the 90s, and their corruption and unwillingness to serve the needs of the populace has been laid bare over the last two decades.
We see them for what they are, and we're tired of voting for the lesser evil.
@@willcerf757 I'd say I'm a little too young to remember. I'm not a child but I was in high school during Obama. When do you think that shift began? I would think it started around Bush Jr. or Clinton times, but I don't have the memory or age to state that convincingly.
Thank you Jon Stewart. More please.
Excellent interview
Oh, this one should make for an interesting comment section.
* sprays pure vinegar into his own eyes *
Annnnd I'm ready to dive in now.
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🤣🤣🤣💚💙💜😘 2nd #Colbert
You really don't have to respect someone's religious beliefs, you do have to respect their right to have a religious belief. There's a subtle difference that many Americans have yet to grasp.
And she completely ignored the fact that in catering to one person's--or even a majority's--religious beliefs, everyone else's may be sacrificed. Respecting that right does not mean letting them debase human rights.
I like to say, "People who like to tell you what to think; instead of to think, are only trying to control you."
So you respect corrupt murderers and war criminals? Clown.
How far do you have to go in respecting their religious beliefs?
@@michaeladkins6 With smokers, we drew the line at "when we have to breathe their smoke". So when you expect us to suffer from your religious beliefs, that's too far. IMO.