Why is Nemo STILL a Mormon?
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Many people ask me why I remain a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, this video will lay out the journey I've been on, and why I haven't just given up yet.
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It's admirable that you are still holding your head high. I've been in and out of the church since I was 18. I had went through horrible things with member's and bishops and when I asked questions or pushed back I was told that everyone is human and we don't know what God has planned for the future or what myself or the people involved needed to learn from the experience. I went through the temple 2 year's ago. I had so many questions and did not feel like I could ask them. Then I moved to Springville UT, Utah County! I've since done a lot more studying and have stepped back out. I found a non-denominational church that just teaches Christ and the scriptures. I need Christ in my life! What I get told all the time though is, "You need to be going to your own church because Satan is winning the battle because you have broken your promises and covenants." My personal family says this too. It just blows me away that a church that is called "The Church of Jesus Christ," misses the mark about Christ and his teachings all of the time. Thank you for your courage ❤
Liar.
I have no idea what “horrible things with members and bishops” are. Are they legal? Sanctioned by the Church?
@@WatchingwaitingG2DCompletely inappropriate.
@@nathankkarren5316 yet the truth. Try it.
@@WatchingwaitingG2Dthis is what you always say
Nemo is such a gentleman and a wonderful example to all members worldwide! The leadership must listen to him & explain themselves or face the significant consequence!
Nemo for PM
Nemo, love what you are doing and sharing. Keep shining and know you are having a massive positive impact shining a light on the darkness within the Church. You have done it and you are doing it with grace, level-headedness, and integrity, unlike those much older than you who should know better. Former Bishop left 7 years ago, I support anyone following their inner knowing and light. If the Church works for you great if it doesn't there is a path and way out filled with light, love, peace, and answers.
Yay for the Britvengers! 🙂
I like the new Nemo/Peter relationship where Peter gets to contribute a lot, but he smiles when Nemo needs to jump in. Great stuff.
And Jane is priceless!
Peter's address to the leaders was spot on - and should be played to every leader who sits in judgment over a member who is merely asking for honest answers.
Frustrated active member here! I love you Nemo, Jane, and Peter for being exactly who you are and speaking truth!
Thanks for the support!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON You don't represent my views or thoughts on the church at all.
You seem a lot like an armchair quarterback.
@@clearstonewindowsdid he say he represented your views on the church? Nope he didn’t. And how exactly is he an arm chair quarterback by talking about his experience and what he sees? I’m sorry you are not ready to face the problems and instead choose to attack others as a defense mechanism.
@@shawnbradford2243 Nemo said he was trying to represent church members And his video
@@shawnbradford2243 No defense mechanism here.
Good luck
Nemo takes CTR to the next level 🤩
CTR to NEMO means to clear the record. Unfortunately I haven’t heard the real reason why he pretends to be a member still and pretends to be helping others with his botched takes on all things LDS history, doctrine, and policies.
NEMO reminds me of a child or spoiled University student demanding change.
Hi, I love your podcast. Wish I could donate more each month but I am retired and on a fixed budget. I am a 5th generation LDS. I have seen the ugly decisions from the top leadership. My ex husband while performing as a Branch President had numerous affairs. He was excommunicated and threw myself and children out of the family home. He moved back to Utah with his parents who are very close to top leadership. Within a year and half he was re-baptized without paying child support.(6 children). For the next 20 years he served in a counselor to Bishops and on the high counsels without paying child support. But when my Bishops challenged his worthiness, they were told the first Presidency was to be immediately called. Later my ex brother in law on his death bed told me that a devious deal was cut between one of the counselors in the first Presidency and my ex father in law to get my ex re baptized (property was involved). My former father in law paid for his son’s re-baptism. At this time I am keeping names out because I have suffered threats on my life and my children. I asked for my name to be removed. Members like Nemo are beautiful and I have been blessed with numerous LDS friends. My heart has been broken in a million pieces how the church has evolved on many issues. Christ makes it simple, love one another as I have loved you.
❤ I’m so sorry that happened to you and your children. Sending love
I am so very sorry for your intence suffering. ❤️🩹🌹🙏
l too came from multigenerational families. I have seen and experienced betrayal from leadership. I am no longer a member. I wish you peace , love and joy. ⚘️
Thqnk you and blessings on your journey.
That is so horrendous…but nothing that goes on in that awful organization would surprise me. 🕊
So sorry for the unfair, unfortunately treatment you and your children received.
I'm a Nemo, too. Keep going for it, I'm active too but am having difficulty trying to say yes to the temple recommend questions. Thankyou from South Australia 🇦🇺... our biggest problem here is that abusers get protection, work in out temples, and victims get ousted and little support.
The temple was the first thing to go…so creepy…🫣
Be quiet puppet. You're a fake.
I've just come back from serving my Mission in South Australia last November!
- From Queensland
I served around gulfview Heights ward, Firle & went to Victor Harbor though never served around Marion or Onkapringa
Since returning home I'm facing mental health challenges, family and relationship challenges and dealing with a Faith crisis while slowly decreasing in activity.
Nailed It!!!!
Great show guys! I kept hearing the words “logic, freedom, democracy” but I don’t feel like this can happen in a cult.
You are so right…cults abhor those principles…
I tuned in late, but I have to tell you, when I saw this panel my knee-jerk honest reaction was to gasp and to say to myself, “it’s the Dream Team!”
Thank you four beautiful humans for modeling assertiveness, intelligence and kindness all combined. I am looking forward to catching up by watching this entire video. I know that it is guaranteed to be good. 💜
Love this discussion. I am a Christian never-Mormon, but have a dear lifelong friend, of 55 years, who is in the church. Long ago, i realized that I cannot discuss anything related to discrepancies in the church's teaching because that is "persecution". And for sweet Jane, as you make the daily decision of whether to stay or go, please remember that in Matt 7:20 ("by their fruits...") Jesus refers to false prophets, not the members. Interesting how often I have heard a prophet of the church reference this scripture inaccurately, applying it to the the members and the good deeds of the church, itself - not to themselves.
JOSEPH SMITH & THE BOOK OF MORMON..
locations near Joseph Smith 200 mile radius America.
Lehigh Valley Pa.
Oneida NY.
Angolah NY.
Morgantown Pa.
Jacobsburgh Pa.
Alma Quebec.
Shilohi ME.
Kiskiminitas OH.
river.
Morin Quebec.
Sherbrooke Quebec.
Tecumseh Quebec.
Ripley ME.
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THE WORDS AND NAMES IN THE BOOK OF MORMON.
Lehi.
Onidah.
Angola.
Morianton.
Jacobugath.
Shilohi.
Kishkumen.
Moron.
Shurr.
Teacum.
Riliancum.
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Just match the two together, Joseph Smith [ adult ] & associates Plagiarised America.to write a book of lies.
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I don't like it when LDS leaders misuse the verse "ye search the scriptures because in them ye think ye have eternal life". This wasn't a command to search the scriptures, Jesus was talking about the Pharisees thinking that they have eternal life by searching the scriptures when they needed to be seeing Him as the means of salvation.
"Study to show thyself approved unto God..." would be a better scripture to use as encouragement for studying the scriptures.
“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can. And wisdom to know the difference”
I respectfully would like say to the Britvengers, you have so much courage and I admire it. But you cannot change in any significant way anything about this organisation. And anything you can change will take a monumental effort for the smallest outcome.
Thats okay, but please know that good people like you are needed elsewhere. There’s a whole world out here that you’re not seeing. This organisation is dying anyway. Let it. I think you would find more happiness and fulfilment by turning your attention to more worthwhile causes.
Drink coffee to work on the things you can change, and wine to accept the things you cannot change. 😅
You are on a journey Nemo, I can see the pain on your face. I've been there look after yourself.
I get my feelings hurt easily! I was a convert of 15 years maybe 5 more of trying to get in their good graces. I admire your confidence. At least I was a convert. That means my family supported me. I lost my half grown children for a time. As grown ups only one stayed in the Church. He himself experienced divorce and other experiences. He doesn't judge me. I lost my 15 year friendships. Since I made all new friends.
I enjoy people who are LDS members and still freethinkers. My husband and I were in a very horrible situation we moved across the country to Arizona, where we knew nobody but his ex-wife and kid. We were going through a very hard time in our marriage. He relapsed, and then I followed. But My brother had become a member years prior and converted and moved to Arizona, so it was kind of ironic that we were there too.
I really wanted to be holy, and I had been baptized in many different churches in many different denominations with no luck. Every person I met in the Baptist church, or the nondenominational churches were pretending while at church to be good holy people and then after church, they were totally different.
I was tired of that.
I wanted to meet people that were the same all the time and honest. On the first day that I woke up and decided I wanted to be clean I also made a promise to speak no word that isn’t true I wanted to be honest like Jesus and I thought, if I’m honest all the time, maybe the other characteristics will start to come along as well. My brother, he called me and asked if I wanted to meet with Missionaries, so I agreed and it was funny because I had seen a woman while attending a sacrament meeting that I could not stop looking at. She had the most beautiful eyes and there was just something about the way she looked, she was on my mind ever since. When I opened the door to welcome the Missionaries into my home, she was with them.
I knew right then, and there was the path I needed to take.
I freely spoke about my past of addiction, corruption, abuse, depression, and my attempt to end my own life.
They did not judge me. In fact, they were really surprised that I was still alive and they felt that there was a purpose I was still alive. After they left that day, I knew this was the place I needed to be one of the missionaries left a card and I still have that card and it’s laminated. It was a picture of the savior and I don’t know why it stuck out to me so much but it did and then I turned the card over.
“James 1:5”
I fell down to the floor on my knees, crying because that scripture is MY favorite.
I was incarcerated in 2014 and that was the very first book out of the Bible that I read from beginning to end and that was the first verse I highlighted and it was as if my Truth had come full circle James is also the name of the man who introduced my husband, and I and sadly took his own life while we were all living together. He was my husband’s best friend.
I told my husband who was working out of town and still using at the time and he was flabbergasted because I had made it very clear I was not interested in that church.
My husband agreed to meet with Missionaries and I asked him to stop bringing the drugs home with him and he respected that boundary. Eventually he got clean too.❤
I started watching book of Mormon stories, I watched prophet of the restoration, I also came across a Broadway musical called the book of Mormon. It was actually a comedy created by an ex member who is also the creator of South Park. The musical thoroughly entertained me and intrigued me, because everybody looked so happy and joyful, and that is what I was missing .
I researched the dirt on the church when My brother started investigating the church years prior.
I didn’t let him know what all I found out, but I learned all the dirt of the church before I ever became an investigator.
It was as if this time Christ had given me the lens I needed to sift through the dirt and find the golden nuggets.
My husband and I began reading the book of Mormon every night before bed. We have been doing that since we were asked in August 2019 by the missionaries for the 1st time we have not missed one single night of reading the scriptures. Rain or shine sick or well.❤
We kept reading, and we kept going to the sacrament meetings, and my husband began to like a lot of the people, and he wanted to be like them, and this made me very happy because I did too. I wanted to be holy, and I wanted to be honest.
We were baptized 9/28/2019 together. And the church because we were paying money before we became members, They came together during the fast offering and they paid our car payment up three months because it was three months behind and about to get repossessed and they also paid for us a hotel room for two weeks because we were recovering addicts, and we had a lot of debt.
They helped us with groceries for a couple months, and then we got out of the hotel and got into an apartment and they surprised us with another offering taken up to help help us get into that apartment and it was so monumental because that apartment it was only $1200 for us to move in. It was at
Lease takeover. It was such a blessing. We knew it was a blessing from God.
And we thrived, and we will always consider Tempe Arizona, our home, and the Grandview ward our church.
I moved with my husband to Salt Lake City two years ago and the culture here is terrible. I’ve got a young lady with two kids. She’s a single mom she just got baptized into the church and she needs two twin mattresses from DI for her kids , the bishop brings her two foam mattresses from his house that his kids use when they go camping.
I don’t understand why you would give somebody something like that when the church creates all of these things and all of these jobs for people to make what is needed and they give it to those who are in need. It makes no sense to me they are judgmental out here towards people of different ethnicities.
If you are seeing with a tattoo that has numbers, they assume you are a member of a gang.
The bishop doesn’t counsel you if you need financial help or assistance, he sends you to these elder missionaries, and the woman is very racist and very rude. I suffer with Crohn’s disease and I am not able to work because of it. She is insisting that I apply for disability, and I said disability isn’t going to help me today.
And I’ve never asked for help again. We just wanted two weeks worth of groceries. We didn’t know that I was going to be expected to go volunteer at DI, which makes no sense because Malachi says absolutely nothing about volunteering somewhere and paying what’s expected ….
My husband stood up for me and said if she can’t even walk the dogs without folding over why would you want her to push her physical limits at DI for five hours? Like why is it a requirement to volunteer somewhere? In order to get help? We’ve never heard of that before.
They were judgmental towards my friend who just got baptized.
She’s got a tattoo triple fives on her chest it’s something about her sister it’s a memorial tattoo. She was attacked by these elder missionaries and accused of being a gang member and the whole time that she’s trying to get help. They’re like well we don’t help people outside of our membership anymore.
I told her that’s BS. We most certainly do help people outside of our memberships, my goodness.
The bishop works out of town sometimes out of the country. He’s never here. I don’t understand why the man even took the calling.
I understand him bringing the mattresses are temporary, but he still hasn’t written her a voucher for DI. She’s been off ever since she got baptized on Saturday she could’ve been to DI five times over and gotten mattresses if he would’ve simply gotten her a voucher.
Utah is completely different than Arizona when dealing with the latter day culture.
You’ve got people out here telling new converts they can’t be baptized If they have a medical marijuana card, they can’t be baptized if they have roommates of the opposite sex, they can’t be baptized if they drink any caffeine whatsoever, and none of those things are true. That might’ve been true for the elderly women who were walking her through her baptism, but it’s not true today and she spoke to the bishop on the day of her baptism. That is when he spoke to her like I thought the bishop spoke to you long before you got baptized to make sure you want to be baptized.
How is the bishop supposed to make sure that you are ready for baptism if he only talks to you after you have it done because that’s when he wanted to schedule the talk and I told her no you demand that he get on the phone with you today or you’re not getting baptized. I told her because I am moving in the next few weeks that she needs to utilize the handbook anytime she has a question.
It’s totally out of order, but I don’t wanna leave my faith because I have seen the love provided by members and I have felt the spirit in many moments in the temple and also in the wards.
I am happy to find a fellow member who feels the same way and understands❤
I was really disappointed when I came to Utah and learned the church culture.
I really hope that those of us who see the behavior can change this place from the inside, somehow
I didn’t real all of that, but I agree with your first sentence. I’m a member of the Lds but still think, I investigate my own church and don’t follow everything I hear as a sheep. Mistakes are made in the Lds, but we are all people. Lds gives me joy and love and I have had numerous wonders. Have a nice day brother.
I miss the community of church, but to want a temple recommend knowing what I know now, I do not understand wanting one. It is the most cultish part of the church and has always been the worst part in my opinion. Joseph Smith disgusts me and it’s a shame that keeps me from ever going to the church building with my family ever again, much less the temple. I cannot fathom ever stepping in the doors of anything to do with such a terrible person. It’s a beautiful community, but I will never go back. I am very glad that I no longer blindly follow such a ridiculous belief system.
Great choice…👍🏽👍🏽
So what belief system do you follow now?
@@phillipcook3430 I am left feeling so skeptical of organized religion now because I can recognize how being born into this religion automatically defined my beliefs. I am working through my own mind now what I truly believe and is true based on facts and not just feelings and upbringing. My parents were taught to believe black people were less valiant and that Native Americans were Lamanites and both sets of people were cursed with dark skin. Spencer Kimball was the prophet of my youth and taught that dark skinned people would gradually become white. I always felt uncomfortable believing this and now see how racist this is. So I cannot stand by a church with those beliefs even if they now might try to deny it is what they taught. It was very much doctrine to my parents and many years of teaching such absurd beliefs and practices cannot be ignored.
@@txcinwith all the racially mixed marriages nowadays people may just end up becoming whiter like he said
@@jeannetteknight7375 Mixed marriages were very frowned upon so it was not him being okay with mixed marriages when he said those things. Also it was taught that everyone would become perfect and white after death. Just think of how that would look. People are born just the way they need to be and whatever color they are is not controlled by how righteous they were before birth and they don’t need to turn white to be more perfect.
I love how Jane says "if" Every time she says "if the church" I hear "F the church" sorry juvenile moment there. Carry on 😂
That's what I heard too!
Love Janes Accent, and that is Hilarious
“I will be watching GC, so you don’t have to” - 😂 awesome episode Nemo and guests. I appreciated Peter’s comments and feel he brought up some important issues and truths. When you have authority in a church that professes to be led by Jesus Christ Himself, honesty should be the basest quality that a leader could have. We are not seeing this, therefore, what do we have? What are their fruits? Jacob 5, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Mormon 8, 2Nephi 28 all show what the latter day LDS gentile church is and how it is leading their members to “hell” or darkness.
I recently set up a monthly contribution to your channel. I hesitate to say you're doing the Lord's work, but...yeah, I guess you really are. Keep it up! Much love from the other side of the pond.
He's doing the Lord’s work 😂😂😂 He lives in his mom’s basement. This is the funniest comment today
Thank you kindly for your support!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON
THANK YOU
FOR YOURS!
The most significant aspect that I regret in my decision to leave the Church, which I made 15 years ago, is that I cannot make a difference from the inside. I am glad that there are people like Nemo who remain in the Church despite being grossly aware of its flaws. Truly, those of us on the outside will not make as much impact as those on the inside. I suppose the inside is slower and will take about 30 more years for people of the last two decades to truly reach the top of the Church. After what I learned, I just could not attend anymore.
Kolby is spot on @39:09!!!
I think it’s up to the collective US to remind whoever- that the Lord’s church does not tolerate hypocrisy and believing contradictory ideas to cover a bunch of sins.
A Thrive Cotswolds ramble event?! Sounds right up my alley! Such a personal bummer I can’t be there. Great stream lovelies!
You have Not left the Church as long as you are on the lawn still throwing Rocks! 😊❤
No rocks are being thrown here-only FACTS being shared.
@@VivianM-l5w
EveryBody got a right to their own opinion. I no longer go to church but they have right to be there and many people love the church. It is just man’s opinions. Jesus is the only One who works for me but I have a son who loves his church.
@@kathleenwharton2139so you believe Scientology also has a right to do what they do? Or do you have bias that the church you went to does but others don’t?
@@shawnbradford2243
I know nothing of Scientology. I have no basis for judgment. Sorry.
@user-ql6pm1tp1s perhaps, but the facts are sharp and pointy, and they likely sting when the land😮.
Nemo is evidence of a literal Tower of Babel.God so created British English that biting truths may be shared with wit.🎉
Regular church was so boring until i found Nemo! Church is so much more interesting now.
@@Cocoisagordonsetter I’d rather poke my eyes out…🤣
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Yep…ear muffs work wonders..😂
That's a great way to look at it
When I Have raised my hand, I'm agreeing to do my best to support this Newby in their calling.
The church needs an independent complaints commission staffed entirely by non-members.
Listening again here. I just love your heart and tenacity.
I like the coat and tie. I don't always agree with you, as I am conservative. But I am glad you are raising these important issues and seeking openness and accountability from the Church leadership. Is President Nelson really in charge? Or is it the "handlers" (bureaucracy) running things? So many strange things going on - like the money given to those Roman Catholic priests in the Philippines for their gymnasium.
Amen to Kolby's example he gave regarding King Benjamin.
It surely is frustrating!
We are all personally accountable for where we put our talents, abilities, money and loyalty. And we are told in the BofM to separate from those who do evil.
The dishonesty matters because that is where darkness and abuse hide.
I am a single woman. I can't even get a temple recommend interview without a list of requirements from the priesthood. Not the questions. I am done. I will not be treated like this anymore from a man. I will sustain the office. Testimony strong. No accountability, acceptance, or love
@toniebonilla3165
I don't understand. I got a temple recommend by just the interviews with Bishop and S.P. A single sister also.
I wish I could say I did not understand but judgement and bias has been my burden since joining this church. They can not take my testimony away. I know Joseph Smith had the First Vision. I know the Book of Mormon is true. I know My Savior is Jesus Christ. I know I am a loving faithful daughter of The Most High. All will be taken care of in His time. I am a true follower of Christ in all things.
You must fit the mold. I do not.
@toniebonilla3165 It must be difficult to believe so strongly in the gospel, yet feel that you don't belong. That is a truly tough spot! Best wishes ❤️
. Thank you for your kind words. I am different. I believe strongly in the power of women. I have strong testimony in Joseph Smith and the first vision. I know the Book of Mormon is true. You can find fault in ALL churches. The power of this world is overwhelming. It is difficult. It is heartsicking to see the members tear down principles that are true. I speak those who have left and those who stay. I just follow Christ in all things. I'll let Heavenly Father sort it all out later.
I am extremely frustrated by the Church's constant mantra that it does not tolerate abuse in any form when they do. This is a lie and completely false in my multiple cases of abuse that the Church has not only tolerated but covered up and sought to silence me. I have started a community on Reddit, called MormonAbuse, for victims to be able to share their stories. The covering up of abuse by the Church and their legal department must stop! It is unconscionable that I reported serious and serve abuse by Church members and as an employee of the Church but yet the Church refused to hold the abusers accountable (One abuser was married to a McConkie) and protected/shielded the abusers. Yet, because I tried to get answers I was threatened by my local leaders and Church attorneys.
I am still a member of the Church but I imagine if I won't stop speaking about the abuse that the Church is covering up then they will excommunicate me. I have already opposed the sustaining of those that are covering up the abuse and have been threatened by the Church for doing so. I have also been threatened for trying to communicate this breach of the Church Handbook of Instruction, by my Stake president, to senior leaders of the Church. I was told my senior leaders sanctioned these threats and agreed with them.
No longer does the Church try to amicably resolve concerns but rather threaten members who have concerns and will not communicate with them in a civil way. Rather, they simply want the members to shut up and do as they are told (as in my case).
I have made the same statements to my Stake President that you have (That he failed me, etc.). My leader doesn't care, he won't speak to me further about my concerns or work with me to understand my side. More and more the Church is turning dictorial.
Nemo is still a Mormon because as we have seen with the Britvengers and safeguarding change has a greater chance of happening from within the church.
Does that make him an infiltrator?
@@jeannetteknight7375 He no longer attends a ward. Just pretends.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D I thought he was still attending
@jeannetteknight7375 He's all talk. Do you really think anyone would put up with his nonsense? I mean, putting aside the lies fake members say about the church members, they are pretty tolerant of inexperienced people. But even the boldest antagonists who try to poison with their warped opinions quickly expose themselves and, in a cowardly fashion, just disappear. He lost everything long ago. He's also not straight. You do know that?
Love you Nemo! You're a rock star
With all of the fame he's now enjoying, let's hope Nemo stays humble.
Rock stars generally don't.
I love your methodology and pure genius at handling your membership.
Doctrine of the church=sweep sa under the rug, so we don't look bad.
God is a God of truth, and if we claim to follow God, we should be willing to accept truth wherever it may come from. Even if it goes against our previously held beliefs. I was a Brigham Young defender for 47 years, until just last year. I am now of the belief that polygamy started with Brigham Young (as did many other false teachings), based on the primary source documents I have been shown in the last year. I believe he was an impostor, just as Joseph had said. It AMAZES me how many LDS people have said to me, "Why does it matter?". REALLY??!! Why does the truth matter? Well, for one thing the scriptures teach us what happens to those who "lie and love lies". And if one's entire belief system is built upon sand and has no foundation.... that is catastrophic!
I had my named removed from what I now see as Brigham's church last May, and I respect you for doing what you can while still a member of the church. Kudos to you! I think that is great. We need all kinds of people doing what they feel called to do, whether in or out.
Great podcast. I enjoy listening to all of the Britvengers…which leads me to this question: what happened to Priesthood Dispatches? I thought his content was great. Did he just get tired of it?
......I was thinking the same. Whatever happened to PD?
Holy smokes. Nemo you’re a rockstar 😮
I’m a fan of the idea that your god, whether you’re conscious of it or not, is whatever you sacrifice to. To me, that makes the LDS church’s god their public image, their authority, and their money because they sacrifice things as sacred as honesty and child safety to preserve them, all the while preaching Jesus with their mouths.
Hello Nemo and other speakers today. I enjoyed this show, I'm new to your channel Nemo I joined and a very short time ago. And have heard so many things that I've now have answers to. A lot of it still is a bit confusing and I'm sorting it all out. But each day that I listen to your channel and others like Mormon stories, I have learned so much Thank you for all your effort that you put into this talk show. and for providing other speakers for a difference of opinion. Looking forward to the next episodes. coming I will be joining and listening in.
Welcome!
First, thank you for having these open discussions I think it’s needed in all congregations and all churches. Accountability and responsibility is important when leading any type of group.
I have a lot to say but will just start with this, tithing is a spiritual law, meaning it’s truly between you and God and what you decide is income. The bishop is an agent of God and imperfect you hope you can have an open discussion with him about these things but ultimately they share their opinion and understanding of the gospel and you say then, if you consider yourself worthy of temple recommend. In other words what’s the problem here when you really just have to go directly to God for your answers of worthiness and whether or not you should continue to follow church leaders. Church leaders always was and always will be imperfect and fallible. Imagine the days of Christ, you hear Peter preach a doctrine and he communicated it differently than Christ did last week or from what Matt shared the week before, who do I believe even if they contradict each other? Well, Jesus Christ of course because we know he’s the only perfect person. So if that’s the soul truth than all your answers lay in your relationship with God the father and Jesus Christ. It’s that simple!
Church leaders are always supposed to point you to Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost for all your answers. When people put all their trust in other imperfect people including the Prophet than you will feel slighted, deceived, maybe even hurt because he’s a human being just like you and I.
In fact I find it spiritual laziness for a person to constantly come to church leaders for answers to questions that they may already have the answers to or have not thought it out in their minds and asked God first.
I believe that is the biggest problem here is we have fallen to a state that we are so dependent on the leadership rather than focusing on your privilege to directly receive revelation for yourself and your family.
I would also add that I don't think your struggles are inconsequential. I admire your willingness to stick with it in spite of your frustrations.
As Kolby is an honoury Britvenger (like Doug), do we need to post him some Jaffa Cakes or Hobnobs? Jammie Dodgers might not survive the post.
Sounds lovely. I explained before we went live that even my last name is just a misspelling of “Redditch” when my family emigrated a few generations ago.
Jaffa Cakes of course!
I can't believe a leader would ask 'why does the honesty matter?' If that's the case everyone can freely lie at their recommend interview.
The hierarchy has major trouble admitting it's wrongs.
Because it means either god was wrong or that the church has no connection to the god they claim
Something else--consider this:
1. Nowhere in Scripture does it say a priest or an elder needs sanction and a special dispensation from a bishop or above to bless the Sacrament for his own household. In fact, the brethren imposed that clause to prevent families and individuals from worshipping at home, and thereby reducing obeisance and payments to the brethren.
2. When a priesthood-holder is excommunicated, the church says "amen" to his priesthood. But if he returns, he is rebaptized, after an additional arbitrary punative period, the stake president comes and says, "You can use your priesthood again." No new ordination.
Sooooo....
Exercise the priesthood. In your room, or flat, or cottage, or tent, or house, or car, or carriage, etc., you are the key-holding prophet, apostle, seventy, area authority, stake present, bishop, branch president, etc. Bless the Sacrament at home. Give blessings. Conduct church services at home in a way that speaks to you and your families.
And I suspect we can ordain within our families. If my family comes on board, I'll gladly ordain the women of my household, and together we'll share the priesthood.
The corrupt brethren can go f- themselves. And I don't pay them tithes. They only ever spat and shat on me, so now supporting my family is my tithe to the Lord.
NeverMo American atheist here. Tks for not insulting Americans for quite awhile now. I really enjoy this channel.
When I was a soldier I used to wonder about the decisions of my superiors. I’m sure they would love to sit down and explain in detail every aspect of every decision, All the years of trainig, phhilosophy, experiience, and education somehow bestowed in an instance.
That’s not how this life works, however. You’re trying to be prudent, and I commend that, and you should be wise at church. What I would ask is this question: At what point do you accept that your point has been heard? That your leaders might know things in their position they cannot tell you. You have to trust your leaders at some point.
There”s a line, and once you’ve crossed that line as a lay member, you just become a “pest”
You look very handsome dressed up ❤
Why can’t the church just realize that hiding, obfuscating, and covering up abuse is much worse for the church than just addressing the issue?
Why can’t the church just realize that hiding, obfuscating, and covering up ( im big on information consenting adults on some activity's etc aka im not a fan of jeff E or warren ) abuse, probably the same way as being hypocritical Nelson/leadership is a polygamist by marriage-temple 2X and no divorce, same for saying children are sinless but also saying intersexuality-born ( same for trans-kid's but worse ) is also sin and or not feeling 99+% welcome and being honest with yourself ( as a teenager i had self hateful and or hurtful to other rainbows 🌈 LGBTQIA+, in my 20's i became less active and or considering leaving and turned more secularism/theist'd, in my 30's/millennial generation im waiting/hope for positive change legal and church leadership/policy's ) and others etc, same for bi's/polly's-marriage/traid/cube-types iv been that way sense 4 years old~ no my parents/grandparents aren't considered queer uk 🇬🇧 or USA 🇺🇸 but i im and so is the women/female's i date/marry, so is my bi-uncle ( currently monogamous gay married, divorced/ghosted 20 year marriage and 4 kid's that part im holding him accountable/shameful behaviour and unnecessary etc ) that served a mission in Europe and he should have not felt like he needed to leave/excommunication as 1840 Mormonism has historically happened/figures and temple-married etc
clapping for prerecorded ( and the hint if i understand correctly for standing up with LGBTQ/humanity community's 👏 as being a good example/parent/coworker/SO to my kids/family/friendship/SO/ect is important to me and having organisation religion help's teaching values/morals etc ) part as nemo is right giving up to easy doesn't help Christians or lds church or healings past/sec's that left or memberships etc or invite new members ( love they neighbor/be good to others/golden rule etc ) like my wife/wife's etc, i struggle with 1950's ( and a little bit with my parents as there boomer world was different than my 1990's/2000's world was/is-forward ) Mormonism and UMC and USA hard-right politics etc
I came to this realization after 20+ years in the church, I can't live a lie. When asked about do I believe the B of M, D & C, etc. are records as claimed to be, that I can support and sustain those who are called General Authorities, my answer has to be - NO.
There are hundreds if not thousands of artifacts in the UK which show Roman legions were present for approximately 300 years. The Book of Mormon claims to be a record of a people, a much larger population than the Romans in England, of about 1000 years. That turns out to this day to be a work of great imagination, even to the point where the Hill Cumorah pageant is gone and there's not the same claims about the people who died and buried the plates anywhere near this location.
What makes that all an even more egregious lie, DNA evidence of Native Americans doesn't support the claim they're descendants of the Laminates. Another huge strike against authenticity.
What of the claims about the Book of Abraham? Certainly another fundamental assertion about Joseph Smith being able to translate any ancient records. He couldn't even pick the nearest milienia, let alone that it was a funeral text.
Then we had for decades, the denial of Joseph Smith connection to polygamy by church leaders. The excuses such as, there were many more righteous females to males, therefore they needed to be married to these poor husband less women. As it turns out, some of them were already married, and if the "brethren" were inspired to take your wife, then you would be blessed beyond your imagination for allowing the "Prophet" to mate with your wife. If some were sealed to Joseph, and he was killed, several ended up being married to Brigham Young. Why was this necessary? They were already going to be with Joseph Smith when they died. Problem solved!
There are many more problems, including institutional racism.
You can pull out a list of anachronisms in the B of M. At what point do you say to yourself, I've exceeded my level of the consumption of horse squeeze?
Read the laws around the US and other countries with regards to clergy (confessional privilege). It is not as black and white easy like most people think it is. Once you understand the laws then come back and comment with a more informed response. Welcome to America, the most litigious society in the world.
People throw that word transparency around like they took an annex class or watched a Ted Talk about it. Most haven’t. Acts of omission and tight lipped secrecy with cards held close to the chest is still very much in order. I don’t think that word means what they think it means. You 4 do. It leaves one very vulnerable, and extremely powerful. Your authenticity and empathy are the clinchers though. I would like to see the leaders of the church follow your examples. Imagine the good if they would!
I would have loved to go on a walk in the Cotswolds with you all lovely people. I hope you get to relax after the events of this week, Nemo, and know that you are loved - not just by individuals in your life, but by your creator, a loving Father who never pushes away but sees our true intentions/knows our heart, and that we earnestly seek Him in truth.
Hi Nemo, I love your program and plan to donate to you.
Son of a Scottish immigrant here. I was thinking about you this morning and I wanted to contact you about an idea I have for you about a story you could do for your podcast. Years ago as a kid growing up I used to read the Church News that would come in the newspaper on the weekend. In every edition they had a section where it listed the new stakes created or reorganized that past week. It mentioned the new leadership of the stakes and mentioned what the members of the presidency did for a living. Reading this weekly paper for years, I started to notice a trend in the occupations that Stake leadership were called from. It was very revealing. I started to put them in categories and noticed they kept repeating. I had an idea about ten years ago and started to write a paper to submit to Sunstone or other Mormon scholarly papers, and started to review years and years of data, I but got distracted with life and other things and didn’t finish it. But I think this something you should do. Some may ask why would their choice of profession is relevant. But it shows that the church values some professions more than others when it comes to their pool of particular candidates for higher leadership. Why is the question? Some of it is obvious. But some trends were bizarre in some choices. For example, there’s a huge number of Stake leadership who have a former background in church facilities ( keeping the power on, clearing the pipes, maintaining the grounds, etc). Found that interesting. They were already in the employ of the tithepayor previously. Some of them were fairly predictable. A lot of professionals ( doctors, lawyers, dentists, CPAs, etc). Lots of Seminary and Institute instructors. A lot of people who own their own businesses. 😢. A lot of professors from Church universities. I could go on and on in the trends.
Anyway, I think this would be a groundbreaking paper if it was ever done properly. I would encourage you to do it. Would be glad to help. I have a degree in history.
How long before excommunication?
It is probably automatically triggered when he reaches 100k subscribers.
@@charlesmendeley9823100k subscribers which probably 98% fall for his opinions that have the appearance of being balanced but a few minutes of some critical thought start to show how shallow and woke he is.
@@phillipcook3430 You do not win an argument by calling your opponent woke.
My wife and I will be in London for 3 days, starting on the 8th of March, before going to Scotland for a week. We'd like to buy you dinner, if you're around London
David G. Weight, a close friend of mine, a psych prof at BYU , also signed that dissertation as a member of the candidate's dissertation committee. So I know that Dave. at least, was there in 1976.
They have covered their sins & gratified their pride & vain ambitions, exercising unrighteous control & dominion upon the souls of the children of men, to a high degree of unrighteousness, therefore the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; Amen to the priesthood & authority of those men!
I like the Brits and when you visit with Mike and John. Love the merch.
Nemo, you should know better by now that you can't question the hierarchy...
That is without "repercussions".
So... keep it up!
You know, like from the second Matrix movie... Nemo too, "has an affinity for disobedience to the hierarchy".
I hope you stand your ground.
You did nothing wrong.
Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
I LOVE your podcasts! Just one question:Why are you “unexcommitvateable”?
In the past, the church excommunicated critical members to get rid of them. Nowadays, this leads to PR nightmares because of social media. Thus, Nemo is inexcommunicatable, because doing so would create a backlash and a sh*storm.
@@charlesmendeley9823 yeah... about that
❤ you guys!
It’s not complicated.
Facts -> Logic -> Conclusions.
Reasonable differences arise through that process, which thought diversity is a good thing. But when we’re starting with the end in mind with such rigidity that we have to debate why honesty matters…what in the world are we doing???
BTW, I had a very similar experience with my local leaders in raising concern about the SEC issue. I walked my bishop through the public documents, including the deceptive nature of the PR statement, and he agreed that the concern was valid. He escalated the concern to the SP who happened to work for the Office of the First Presidency, and he acknowledged they’re getting that concern a lot these days but they’re only referring members back to the PR statement. My bishop told him this response was entirely inadequate, given that the I had several questions that were not addressed by the PR statement and one of the main concerns was the about the PR statement, itself. We received nothing else.
When D&C 107 explicitly says none are exempt, but the brethren hold themselves beyond reproach, I just don’t know what is to be done. I am so heartbroken over the loss of what this faith gave me when everything seemed to add up. It can still be that way if the brethren would just root out the pride and dishonesty. But I’ve lost all hope as long as Oaks is in power.
I am looking forward to the conference half time show. And peter is great.
Great show
Cheers!
I admire your desire to stay within the church. I couldn't remain active.
You are AWESOME! Thanks Nemo
Nemo, I was the High Councilor of the ward in Arizona when Bishop Herrod was the Bishop. I attended the ward usually twice a month. I saw what was going on in that situation. I can tell you that there n I was a media fest for anyone with damaging information. Unfortunately I didn’t have what they wanted so it wasn’t heard. They did quote many inactive members or unknown sources. Bishop Herrod did nothing wrong. The advice from the church was the best that could have been done in the situation. Had the Bishop reported what he was aware of, brother Adams certainly would not have been caught. He would have definitely been able to continue his abuse for much longer. Everything is not so black and white, and a little information in this case looks very poorly on the church. I am glad that I was able to know what I did, or I probably would have been fooled too. Also the church can’t share all of the information without risking harm to others. It’s a very difficult situation, but the church acted with complete ethics with what they were aware of. I can’t say the same for the media. I guess clic bait is their moral basis.
Are you willing to discuss this where I can ask you a series of follow-up questions. I'm certainly willing to consider believing you, provided you can substantiate what you're saying. Just be aware I've read every word of the primary source documents, including where Liza's sentencing Judge did absolutely partially blame the Bishop.
Jane, sounds like stay calm, dont explain and carry on.
I so admire your bravery for staying in such a destructive organization as mormoncorp.
The contempt I feel for that “so called” church will never change...…😖
Being 100% transparently candid with you & governments would result in economic liability for the church. Therefore they feel it's in their best interest to double down on their immorality, while blaming the innocent.
Hey Nemo! Martin Luther salutes your example and bravery! 🫡
Martin Luther called the Pope the Anti-Christ. How about Rusty?
I raised my hand to oppose the sustaining of the stake president in a north area stake of Illinois in 2013 during a stake conference.
They completely ignored me and moved forward with the confernece
My daughter (15 yo) and I stood up and walked right out of the meeting. I remember we waked out trying to make a statement so it wasn’t quiet
Now 10 years later, looking back, I wish I actually walked up there and spoke up that I opposed and why.
Many people in that meeting reached out expressing her acknowledgment and shock
Yet the church leadership reached out a week later and said they didn’t notice it lol. Not sure what to say about that!!!
Epistemology??? I had to look up that word.
I love hearing all of you, but is it possible to give Jane subtitles when she speaks? 24:03
Unfortunately not, they should appear on the replay though!
Jane utters many words but it is difficult to understand her view point, she jumps all over the place.
I have a few important questions: As Prophet Seer and Revelator has been removed from his title and he's now just the President of the corporation, why are the 12 still called Apostles? Why did the pope meet the 'prophet' inside the temple in Rome? Why put the LDS temple right next to vatican city? Why teach the 2nd coming without teaching about the 24 plates as mentioned in the Book of Ether? If the Church of Christ still owns the temple lot, how is the Missouri temple in Zion relevant?
I’ve been a member since 1967 and inactive since 2015. Understand only to well the games and lies of the church
Why do you stay in the church?
It seems like a never ending battle .
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Nemo is amazing at educating the world about the Mormon church. Having said that, I cannot understand how anyone not living in the Utah bubble could consider staying in a religious system that has been constructed by a deceiver.
Mormonism can't be fixed. It was based on restored masonry. Joseph's Myth would have to be thrown under the bus.
@danny. j. s. IS THE BUS.
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And, apparently plenty of
his passengers still enjoy the ride and want to hear nothing about the bus's tyres having gone bald and peeled away in shreds long ago.
Something like a planet might have to hurtle through our atmosphere and slam down on it to set it right
I am not Morman but am really interested in how corrupt the top management in Morman Organisation has been from the beginning
You can leave a church, just don't leave GOD. God is great. The truth will set u free.
Leaving, changes nothing, change comes from within. It happens in the Sunday school in seminary so that each generation can become better. The gospel of Christ is true the church is made up of imperfect people who each bring their own prejudices and interpretations. Leaving only solidifies the position of those who continue to preach false doctrine.
wow! Jane has shown so much wisdom throughout this show. but what she said at about the 1 hr+3 min mark just needs to be said in the context of section 121 of the D&C.
Even if it fixes itself it can't make it true, unfortunately.
Oh, that’s weird, I thought you weren’t a Mormon because of all of the doctrine stuff, like when you are on Mormon stories podcast…
no one here mentions the one element that keeps me in the church...the Spirit. also my adoration for Christ. that said, I stay a member with eyes open. as a convert i've never followed blindly. and issues discussed by Nemo are greatly appreciated and considered seriously.
He doesn't go to church. He's a fake cowardly pretender.
Yeah, right. You don't have the spirit and not a true member. You wouldn't be following this fake if you were.
I served my mission in Southwest British Mission. Your attitude is familiar to me.
What good is a constitution in an institution if the institution is run by an unelected official.
What are your thoughts of guys taking sacrament and having a calling in the church?
Maybe stake president is confronting his own doubts for 1st time?
The reality is that NEMO's demands will never stop whether he realizes it or not.
My heart bleeds for you and for the church I once thought was true. I wish you well for the future
Thanks!
Love the comments about spiritual abuse Jane
2 Nephi 28
9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.
10 And the blood of the saints shall cry from the ground against them.
11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.
12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.
13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.
14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.
15 O the wise, and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the pride of their hearts, and all those who preach false doctrines, and all those who commit whoredoms, and pervert the right way of the Lord, wo, wo, wo be unto them, saith the Lord God Almighty, for they shall be thrust down to hell!
16 Wo unto them that turn aside the just for a thing of naught and revile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth! For the day shall come that the Lord God will speedily visit the inhabitants of the earth; and in that day that they are fully ripe in iniquity they shall perish.
To Nemo's rhetorical question "Why does honesty matter?" is it worth pointing out that The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter DAY SAINTS professes to have THE TRUTH? Doesn't every testimony include "I know that this church (prophet; principle etc;) is TRUE? Or something like? If you are regularly testifying to the TRUTH of the LDS Church, THAT implies or presupposes that you're actually telling the truth. Jesus says that He IS the truth. "I AM the truth". He didn't, like other religious leaders, say 'Let me show you, the way' He said "I AM the way". If you are 'selling' the Church of Jesus Christ, then by implication, you are following HIM or this is a case of 'false advertising'. Honesty is foundational in a church that tells the TRUTH. You are either telling the truth or you're lying and misleading the world into thinking that you are.
Ok, I have to chime in here. I have also had my disputes with the Church authorities, written a letter which I gave to my bishop to send in to the first presidency, and the way it was ignored I felt they were just sweeping problems under the rug and supporting lower authorities in their wrongness, because of the inability to acknowledge wrongness (the true church can't be wrong)
just trying to say, I've been there, done that, and spent half of my life inactive and rebellious against the church. finding faults and imperfections across the board.
and I have to say that "the church handbook" is possible the WORST THING that has ever happened to the church. What happened to doing everything in the church as the spirit directs? in the time of Joseph Smith, it was an entirely different church run by the spirit and abounding with miracles. now it is more like a bunch of McDonald franchises run by a handbook.
BUT
events in my life have brought me back to Faith. Not in "the church" but in GOD!
so first, Nemo, let me state that YOU HAVE BEEN ORDAINED TO THE PRIESTHOOD OF GOD! Full stop. your worthiness to use it is between you and GOD. it is the power to move mountains, change rivers from their courses, set at defiance the armies of nations, and stand in the presence of GOD. etc. and unless the Prophet revokes it. Start acting like a son of God. and USE IT.
We need to stop worrying about the organization, and just live in Christ. Thank GOD that you have actually received an authorized Baptism and the priesthood and the Holy Ghost. you have Checked all the boxes. now live in Christ.
It is frustrating that we have this wonderful Book of Mormon and Bible yet the leaders do not go by them.