Bit, Tack & Equipment Talk ft. My new horse | part 1
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Talking about bits and nosebands ft. Door Nail the dead horse.
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So excited to learn more with Doornail! I’ve seen some people stuff a sock and place it in the skull as a “tongue” so it’ll show where certain bits put more pressure on the tongue or the bars!
After I had my tongue compressed getting brackets placed for braces(it was the most horrible feeling, not being able to hardly swallow, with a sharp edge that grabbed my tounge everytime i forced a swallow) I appreciate what low ported bits can do for a horse, to have tongue freedom to swallow and breath! Swallowing directly affects their ability to breath.
I have gone back and forth, with is metal or rubber or plastic better? I have noticed metal to be very slick and smooth, where as plastic has a drag, a little bit of a grab to it. Metal sounds hard and bad, but I think it is the one material that can be made the smoothest🤷♀️ Sliding metal across your skin doesn't pull at your skin at all, leather, plasic, rubber has more of a drag feeling to it, depending on the bit, its not much, so not a big deal, but why I don't mind metal, it's not about being made of a softer material necessarily for a bit, but what is the smoothest
Please speak more slowly when saying the names of the bits that you like and where I can can find them. Thank you so much for this video
I know I haven't seen the entire video, but I do have to say. I think you're underfeeding your new horse. He looks super underweight, I'd say skin and bones but he seems to have some skin problems. (Just to be clear this was a joke, I think Doornail is awesome)
We’ve given him turmeric and done hock injections and the vet said he’s just fine boned, he’s fine! You don’t know my horse 😤
@@Milestone-Equestrian Maybe try a calcium supplement, I'm a self-licensced non-accredited equine vet
Thank you for making your bridles so affordable! My wallet and my horse thank you :)
An addition to the horse (I can't tell if you're calling him Door Nail or Darnell but either way) would be a pool noodle for a tongue (cut in half) and a flatter pool noodle to represent the upper anatomy/soft palette. That was you can visually explain and see the difference in space available in a skull vs "real" horse's mouth. :)
Love these educational videos. I always learn so much from them, and end up going down new rabbit holes to hyperfixate on lol.
32:50 Agreed. I think that there's absolutely no need to use tools that cause discomfort, pain, or fear with horses. I don't think one should use or buy any tools that are made to cause pain/discomfort, and one shouldn't use tools that aren't meant to cause those things with the intention to cause harm/pain/discomfort.
15:41 Yes! Perspective. It's important to reflect on how the horse feels and to prioritize their emotional and physical wellbeing.
If anyone wants any alternatives for Rope halters try Mule tape and Brazilian Polo halters.
Mule tape halters have no knots and a big flat braided noseband, Brazilian Polo halters have no knots, no cheek piece and a soft braided nose
Love my mule tape halters! They’re very aesthetically pleasing, too
You have sold out of the full !! I will keep checking ..Very Interesting.. Thank you..
I watched the whole thing & was so shocked by how much a reg lose cavison nose band was so constrictive. I've never used a flash or anything other than a reg hunter type. Doornail is amazing. Loving the visual aids
Doornail is a dead win in my beat on any race!
This is so enlightening. I had no idea how limited movement is with a lightly closed nose band. Thank you!!
I bought your bridle and ive only tried it twice, driving and riding once but honestly he really appreciated the bridle. My mans a tense and nervous boy when it comes to working and I think that came from high expectations from a young horse. In my hands hes only been chilling and weve just done a lot of ground work and working on the selfconfidence. When ridden with a bit he has the tendency to tense a lot as soon as he doesnt know whats expected from him (because hes been punished severely for not knowing???) and ive not ridden horses a lot in my life, but i have made it a key to make him relax 100% before starting to ask him to do things like walking straight lol
just because he tenses so much all the time we always have to work on relaxing
and so i thought maybe if i try bitless hell find it easier to relax and lo and behold he does! like a lot!! he has a gentle bit but yeah idk. bitless was so much better for him and until i get my confidence and he get his we are gonna work like that before trying a bit again. ive ridden him in a ropehalter before but i think it was too unclear what i wanted with that on so this bridle made it superclear and easy for us to communicate.
when driving too, he was a lot less tense when walking first (thats a big problem for him, being in front and not having his secutity next to him, me)) and idk. Im still keeping our sessions very short so I havent had time to really feel the bridle but the little ive felt was amazing and he was very easy and idk. great job shelby. im just gonna keep having fun and work with my mans insecurities and i think your bridle will be well used. When i got it it also encouraged other people to buy bitless so now we really do be going bitless in our stables. I let people try your bridle and they enjoy it and their horses enjoy it, its a good thing haha.
the bridle that hold the bit doesnt have a noseband though -so thats probs not a issue
The moment I saw that leather bit I was like "I bet that's a Sweet Billy's Bit". I love 'em. I have one and it's the first bit my Saddlebred didn't try to chew to a pulp. Had a rubber one that he spent the trail rides gnawing on. Sounded like squeakysneakers down a school hallway.
Unfortunately my stallion chewed the leather bit so until he's fully settled with wearing bits and not chewing on them like bubblegum, he gets to have the regular full cheek snaffle.
Shelby, I peed myself with the Doornail name! 🤣🤣
Oooo long video!
Edit: I've seen other channels try to use a skull to demonstrate how bits work and I would highly recommend you make sure you have someone to help you xD I watched a lot of people struggle with these big, heavy, unwieldy skulls lol they also used rolls of foam to demonstrate the tongue which was really helpful, memory foam would leave indentations your viewers can see
Yes I’ll be trying to make a fake tongue at some point 🙌🏼
@@Milestone-Equestrian I never realized how much the tongue just FILLS the mouth until I saw those videos, I thought the tongue was flatter/thinner
Doornail -- what a great name. It is good to add humour to such a horror-ible situation. Very cleaver way to absolutely illustrate how restrictive and stress inducing even supposedly "benign" equipment. Very illuminating. Brilliant idea, Shelby. I'm sure they are horrible and restrictive this equipment is -- constant torture, really. Can I suggest you make a short version of this video for TikTok --- it may go viral and really inform a lot of people about this cruel situation they are unaware of creating. I love what an advocate you are for humane partnership with horses.
Thanks for this educational video! It's very helpful, and it'd have been great to see when I was younger. I can see now what difference an anatomical bridle does. And somehow I'm still thinking of that pony I often ride at the riding school and want to try it out. Maybe I've bonded with him, LOL. I just feel like he could be more comfortable, I've noticed he doesn't like a strong contact with the bit / reins, so I try to be very soft.
This video is very enlightening video… I’m now going to save up for a new bridle and a new bit maybe.
hahaha good ol door nail
Omg you need to make a video with that burrito-- foam bit! 😂
I really loved the video.. the Doornail bits are also very eye-opening and educational. Thank you, Doornail!
I have a more traditional "anatomic" bridle with the built in flash in DoorNail's size if you want it. It's the Collegiate Comfitech. Technically it's new, but I feel gross about selling it to be used on a live horse so I'd be happy to send it to you for educational use
I would love to try it on him if you are sure you don’t want to sell it because I’m sure those aren’t cheap!
@@Milestone-Equestrian sure, I'll dm you on Twitter.
@@Milestone-Equestrian I know it's been awhile, but I would love to know what you think of that style. This is what I ended up buying for my horse before seeing your video. I've never had the noseband very tight, but hate the idea of it restricting him like you've shown.
You're videos are full of essential information we should all know, thankyou. I volunteer with the riding for the disabled, mainly to be around horses, tho the more I learn, the less comfortable I feel about the tack the ponies have to endure
I desperately want a Harlow bridle but I have so much other stuff I need at the same time. I need a tack fitter and a dentist (not for me, of course), so that would potentially mean a new saddle and bridle. I want to get the correct sized bit for my horse as well, preferably a double-jointed baucher as she still has the french-link bit that came with her. I have no idea what size head my horse has either, her head is seemingly small for her breed and height, I even had to put extra holes in her headcollar/halter! All of her tack was given to me when I got her and I wrongly assumed that it meant the saddle was correctly fitting, despite me removing the noseband and replacing the headpiece (to replace the throat latch) on her bridle because they were too big by a mile. It's a mess lmao. Videos like these and the saddle talks are excellent for making you realise all the obviously wrong things you didn't notice before for some reason, and because of them I bought a saddle pad with high wither clearance and no longer use that horrible flat thing that bunched up and slid backwards under the saddle :/ Soon my poor horse will be dressed like a very comfortable queen, and her crown WILL be that Harlow bridle, dammit
super cool! I actually know a horse who self-bridles sometimes even before his owner is ready, and he also know another really neat trick..... taking his bridle off while riding. He is just naturally really explorative, and is a western horse. So think snaffle bridle and he isn't placed in a tie down. I'm glad that my bridle isn't restricting my horse, tight flashes and nose bands suck, even worse tie downs.... even if fitted loosely as soon as the horse is in motion there will be pulling on the nose.... I hate seeing tie downs on performance horses esp
I convinced mum to no longer use nose bands on any of our boys. I showed her a clip of a horse that had a broken nose from having his nose band too low and tight, the horses had gotten stuck in its martingale and pulled really so hard it snapped but damaged the nose in the process.
I will definitely buy your bridles someday when I get my own ponies in the future, in the mean time I'm going to admire them and your work! ♥
you absolutely have me sold on this bridle now. hopefully starting my foster mare soon, and she has slight poll sensitivity not to mention possible (harsh) riding experience from years ago. this would be perfect for her!!
Doornail is a huge help! Love learning how bits work, nosebands, etc. Trained in the last century but have been taught differently since starting again. Love your bridle!!! My horses owner likely wouldn't mind if I got her one. Nothing to lose asking. :) Please do pelhams/kimberwicks when you're able. I don't use them now...don't even use a noseband tbh. Great acquisition Shelby and hopefully I will have a bridle one day. 😀
That’s so cool! What a neat way to show how different bridles and bits work. My farrier has a hackney pony skull that she named Poppi.
Hi Shelby!
Great addition to your herd, Doornail is beautiful! When you have a moment check out another trainer Cathie Hatrick-Anderson, she also uses a skull just like doornail to explain bits and equine mouth anatomy. She's a natural trainer, she's a big Cook's bitless bridle user (which I know isn't the best) but perhaps she hasn't explored the many other great ones out there now... I found the info in her video pretty interesting, and she has done over 700 videos on every horse issue out there. I don't like many trainers on UA-cam at all, but her methods are interesting to observe. Of course I am so impressed that you would already be thinking of using the skull to demonstrate this incredibly important issue in regards to horse training. You're poised to be one of the greatest trainers ever, look at what you accomplished at your age, wait till your Cathie's age... Great video Shelby!👏🐴
I dont have a noseband on my bridle
this is the best video and EVERYONE that works and/or rides with horses should watch it, well done👏
Hello door nail^^ thank you for putting up with shelby trying and showing us all this equipment on you!
This video is one of many reason why you're one of very few equestrians I follow on social media. I have no idea of when or how I found your channel but following your journey to where you are today has been a journey for me too since it has opened my eyes to so many things too. That's even with me having the education to call me a "professional groom" (I don't work as one these days though.) So thank you for not only learning more yourself but for teaching me (us) too! Looking forward to a lot more interesting content staring door nail!
I can't wait to get paid so I can buy Harlow Luxe Bridle 🥰
i came back to this video for the educational visual then just cackled remembering what u named this model
This is fascinating thank you
I’m definitely going to buy my OTTB the Harlow bridle I really like how it doesn’t have a flash or crank nose band. My OTTB is only four and all the people I know that have younger horses always have the flash and curb chain. I believe that is not a good way to ride since the flash prevents them from opening their mouths and the curb chain can be very harmful.
Good for you for showing all this. Keep learning and sharing with us!
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing English start to forgo nosebands. The Western folks seem to get along just fine without them and if we're training and riding properly there should be no need to prevent crossing and opening jaws. I don't think they're cruel when not too tight or low down but it'd be nice to see more people at least try going without.
Also: Dressage rider here, I would love to have no leverage, and only soft snaffles allowed in Dressage. We're supposed to be showing how soft and well trained us and our horse are so it shouldn't be a problem to not have a lot of bit right? 🤭
Yes!! Im buying my guy a Harlow bridle and then I'll be playing around with different snaffle bits to see what is most comfortable and soft in his mouth. I hate flashes, neck stretchers, crank nosebands, and harsh bits and draw reins. I see them all the time in dressage and it completely defeats the purpose of the sport. If my horse is supposed to be supple, relaxed, and soft then why am I putting unnecessary stressors on my horse? Dressage has turned into just making the horse look pretty. A nice curved neck, shut mouth, and fancy movements are seemingly all we care about now. It's so gross.
@@pestilence654 They're so rushed in getting the horses out and competing at the higher levels to make money, they don't want to wait 10 years to have a finished Dressage horse. I'm always sketched out when I see like a 6 year old in higher level tests. They're pretty much always clearly under muscled, constantly ducking behind the bit, hollow backed, flicky toes in extended trot instead of a controlled reach, etc. It's very sad. Doing proper Dressage helped my mare stay sound and supple even at 30, it built a base of strength and flexibility that I'm sure she'd have crumbled from sway back and arthritis without. Thinking of poor Totilas (RIP sweet boy); if your Dressage horse is retiring riddled with body stress and arthritis and then dies at the very young age of 20 you did not do your Dressage right.
Very interesting , well done you ! I will order one of your bridles for my lovely silly cobby pony xxxxxxxx
This is a really interesting way to show us!
Thank you so much for another amazing educational video!!!
My horse has a problem towards the middle/ end of the ride where if we are at a walk/ half he starts almost chewing and bumping into the bit a lot I bet it’s cause of the nose band even when I have it so loose this explains everything I definitely will save up for ur bridle as my next horse related purchase
try just removing the noseband, if possible. i know that can help a bunch with noseband sensitive ponies, but obviously shelby’s bridle will be absolutely amazing!!
Wow excellent video great info thanks so much!
Such a great video, Shelby! Super informative - I never realized that Cavesson nosebands restrict movement that much, wow!
super interesting. thank you!
i'll definitely look into getting one of your bridles once i start getting more serious with my gelding :D
i have an elevator bit just gathering dust in the tack room, i'd be willing to give it away for free for educational purposes…I'm in Mexico, though.
I am sooo excited I found your company and I am also excited to get one of your bridles! tbh I would get both and I probably will eventually.
love this video and am going to be watching all of your videos!!!
I love Doornail sm
Love these educational vids! Looking forward to more 😁
i need that"eat the rich" hoodie. anyway, amazing video thnx
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Love this so much! Can’t wait to see more!
Love these types of videos! So much we can learn from door nail! I currently do use a micklem bridle, thinking about getting one of your bridles this video was very helpful.
Such an interesting video! It's amazing to see how much different nosebands and bits affect the overall comfort of the horse. I'm from Zimbabwe and all of the relief/anatomical bridles I can find seem to have the noseband attached below the bit. Would this have the same function as a flash/drop noseband? I can't seem to find the information anywhere! Some examples are the Capitol Relief Bridle, High Jump Relief Bridle and the Kurden Relief Bridle. I'm looking into getting a horse off the track over the next year and, as a vet student, I want to make informed, responsible decisions for my horse without any unnecessary discomfort due to me being ill-informed. Thanks for making amazing content, I've learned a lot from watching your videos over the years and you've really encouraged me to strive to be the kind of horseperson that does everything with the horse's best interests in mind.
I was wondering what you think of Mylar bits? I use the low port eggbutt snaffle bit and my mare seems comfortable, I would prefer to go fully bitless (I also use a nalanta bridle) but I ride in hunters and it’s not allowed YET. I was looking to buy the Harlow bridle since I’m switching from dressage and need a brown bridle, but I can’t find the measurements. I heard you mentioned you do custom orders, would that be available for different sized cheek pieces?
I have an old slow twist if you would want it it's about a size 5
It's a torture device so I'd rather give it to someone I know won't put it on a real horse
The sweatshirt lol
I get the soft hand thing. It's where i was at a whole back with pinch collars and dog training. I started calling in the "i give up" gear.
Noseband thing is something i thought about years ago and why i started leaving as loose as possible - could fit my whole hand inbetween.
Thanks for the informative vid. I wish this knowledge was part of getting started in horse world. If it was i would have made different choices for a bridle at the start. Rather than stumbling through.
Curious: what bit would you choose or would you skip it if you were wanting to work towards neck rope/ tackless?
Would that change based on age or hisory?
next bit video can you review the mouth piece of some of the NS bits? specifically the turtle top / turtle tactio. not sure if you have ever used it
I love your videos! I learn so much. Where do you get your leather bits and would you recommend a leather but for a horse who was somewhat abused in the mouth and is sensitive?
Awesome video, Shelby! Would you ever design a western headstall with a padded crown piece? As far as I’m aware, there are no companies that offer an anatomical western headstall, and most of our headstalls are pretty thin leather.
She’s working on a western bridle right now 😊
About the noseband thighness: what if I ride bitless? I have a flower hackamore and it needs to be very snug on the face otherwise it'll slide around (1-2 fingers space max).
Does that keep the mouth shut as much as the noseband of a bitted bridle?
What’s the approximate time frame on the Harlow bridle being restocked?? I’m dying to buy one from you!
We opened pre orders for anyone who wants to guarantee their order due to request so you can order now. If we sell more than our restock quantities it will be a wait period though for the next restocking
when will the Harlow brilde be back in stock?. I want to purchase one in black
Are you going to be restocking your Harlow bridle without the fleece? Also apologies if I'm just dumb and missing it but is there a size guide? I know the website says they run large, I'd just like to measure bc my TB gelding has a weird long/skinny head and depending on the brand he fits from OS to cob XD
Yes I will be and there should be a size chart on the website. If he’s quite between sizes I would recommend the full!
Will there be a restock on the ”regular” Harlow bridles?
Woops - commented mid-video! Just saw the end now
What bit would you recommend for a Ex racer who raced for 10 years, my boy is also called Milo. He is very strong in open spaces.
Look at her training of an ottb it has so much good information about training out that anxiety or excitement (which has shown to be mostly anxiety) so you dont ever need more contact she actually shows what to do step by step.
Where did you get the horse scule
Put a lot of pressure on your own nose, and under your chin. You can't open your mouth it can give you a headache or saver pain! Imagine a horse!
I just went to buy one of your bridles & there sold out in my horses size - do u know when your restoking?
They should be restocked in the next couple weeks
Aren't canines usually removed if a horse will be used for riding? :o
No, you are thinking of wolf teeth, a small premolar right up against the regular molars.
@@ruthhamilton4882 ohhh, got it got it! thank you!
That foam bit doesn’t seem super practical 😂 like could they even close/seal their mouth?
Hi! Very interesting video so far. I agree, using a tool(s) to "fix" a problem is unfair, actually mean and inconsiderate to the horse's health and emotional wellbeing, and really ineffective as the root problem and the root emotions are not being addressed. The problem is simply being suppressed, and this is really not something we want since it comes with a high risk of causing more anxiety, aggression, fear, pain, discomfort, "misbehavior" etc....I also agree that bits and halters + bridles can be scary! Having the jaw wired shut, or having something in your mouth that you can't remove is very scary and likely uncomfortable. I think that using a halter, bridle, bit or any equipment comes with the responsibility to introduce the equipment slowly, kindly, and with patience with the goal of creating a positive association and keeping the horse relaxed and willing, and under threshold. Like what you were doing with the feral pony you rescued, working on counter-conditioning the halter.
Scull
Does anyone know why my horse throw his head
I've been riding for years, and I'm surprised to find that these are things that riders do. Some of these abrasive tack pieces look like they hurt! Why? Just WHY?! They're your buddy, your friend, your partner!!! And you're making their job suck! On PURPOSE! WHY?!