THE OTHER GUYS 292-CARB UPGRADE
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- DOES A 292 NEED A HOLLEY DOMINATOR CARB? SHOULD WE TRY IT ANYWAY? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I COVERED HOW TO ADAPT A 2-BARREL HOLLEY CARB TO THE STOCK 292 CHEVY (INLINE 6) INTAKE. ALSO CHECK OUT HOW THINGS GOT OUT OF HAND ONCE I STARTED ADDING DIFFERENT CAR ADAPTERS TO RUN A 4150 4-BARREL, THEN A 4500 DOMINATOR 4-BARREL! DOES THE LITTLE 6-CYL TRUCK MOTOR NEED A DOMINATOR? BETTER QUESTION-DON'T WE ALL WANT A DOMINATOR?
😆😆 that dominator on there is the equivalent of a two story beer bong to a college freshman.
multi-level-they upped their game
More like drinking a slushy through a 1in dia straw.
Dang, That is the truth. I remember in the Air Force at my first base we had a two story beer bong on the dorm, that was scary🤣
I guess you never been a to a marine corps barracks, that’s called the intro to the fleet.
Some friends and I tried that years ago on a 300 Ford. We called it a
"Funnel Ram"
nice-points
Timothy Ryan : on a Chevy I guess its a "Toil-o-let Ram". You work real hard, then let your toil go south into an antipodean rabbit hole in your Chevrolet 292. The ala water closet adaptor. Again, its Stacked Gina! Mr Holdener, you are on the top of the Totem Pole on your Intake Goal.
You know now that you've put that stack of adapters and the dominator on it you are required to to at least one dyno run with that configuration on it. Just for fun.
Keep turning those mixture screws in......
@stardroppercj the carb venturi and throttle blade openings should be the intake restriction. Not the intake manifold. It will never be proper.
@@jayarnold8883
Who cares about proper , let's see what it does.
Make it run.
Yep, expected at least 3 dyno runs... 1 bbl., 2 bbl., 4 bbl....
I want to see this, just for shits. Also, I’m wondering if it is worth putting a 4 bbl spacer on my 318 LA Dodge (cheaper than getting a performance 2 bbl).
Man I love his energy! Definitely try them all for fun!
your face when drilling those new mounting bolt holes .... you crack me up
Dominator on a 292-6. I think Richard has been hitting the nitrous bottle without an engine, if you get what I mean 🤪
@Dennis Young So that's why he smiles so much...? ;)
Perfect !! 3.5 cfm per cubic inch !! Winning formula for crisp throttle response !! 🤘
Richard,
As Richard Hammond was her to stay on tTop Gear once, “this was graduate level cocking about.”
The nicest 2 barrel ever made! Everything is bad ass with a dominator!
Kinda reminds me of my Grandma and her wheelchair 😂. She wanted to go faster so we put I6 with a Procharger. She did a wheelie over this bridge. Funniest thing you ever saw!!!
Allegedly, there is a Jeep 4.0 turbo motor running around that makes 700 lb/ft of torque. Let's see if the 292 can match it! More boost!
I6 big bang showdown?!
That’s nothing he needs a Ford Barra in his life
Matthew Morton
Mate,that motor is based on the Australian Chrysler 245 / 265
Some wicked turbo versions down here in Australia making some serious power.
I need a 4200 vortec
@@richardholdener1727 I just found one in my local scrap yard for 260 harness to pan
When adding the 4 bbl carbs, I'd get rid of the 2-hole 2 bbl spacer, since you will have the 4-to-2 adapter above the 2-to-1 adapter. This is channel awesome. BTW, Who TF is hitting the thumbs down button? Fight me!
We’re all here for the dominator and turbo. It’s like a dramatic reality show for gear heads because we know something bad is going to happen, lol!
That stack of adapters gave me flashbacks of puting a motocraft 460 ford carb on an international 450ci strait 6 that came with a froze up cast iron governed Holley. It worked but the motor still ran out of cam at 2600rpm.
Love the rat tail file in the drill 😁 I'm gonna use that 👍
Gotta love the good ole 292, they are so dependable! Keep up the great content Richard!
I've never been so excited for a 6 cyl gas engine before!
The dang carb is bigger than the engine! Hope it'll start! Loving the "other guys"
Richard, I love your enthusiasm. Can’t wait to see the dyno results.
I have 300 inline 6 in my rat rod. I built an intake for 3 Carter YFAs . It runs great with a comp 260 cam
Sounds pretty sweet, but this vid changed everything.
Every 6 cylinder out there needs a dominator now.
Same setup as a '53 & '54 Corvette...
Well he got what he wanted. A radical change
Best vid ever. Gotta see the dyno vid. Turbo dominator
Can't wait to see this carb adapter combo run! I wouldn't be surprised if the original carb holds its own when compared to the other carbs.
Yes, there is such a thing as too much carburetor, which has occured to me with the QuadraJet on my 292. But Chev did use a progressive two barrel on late integral head inline sixes - I think maybe both 250 and 292 versions.
I love the idea. I just fabricated an adapter for a Triton v10 dual blade tb and plenum to bolt onto a pi plenum so I am all for it!
Classicinlines.com did a comparison with the adapter vs modifying the intake to accept a 2 barrel. The modified intake made 20 more horsepower vs 5 horsepower with the adapter
10:00 it would be like trying to flush a toilet into a garden hose...🤣😂
That's my thought exactly.
And then take a drink out of the hose...
Your volume of content is amazing.👍
I was pleasantly surprised at how streetable the borrowed 1050 Dominator was that I tried on a 350.
As for the Dom on that Inline-6 or any other engine, I love it!
Thanks for the upload dad. I’m working on my 68 c30 with a 292. Brand new ignition and fuel system but stock carb. The engine fires and runs but sputters and just will not stay running. Carb is next on the list
Would love to see Steve Brule's facial expression assuming this engine combo winds up being tested at Westech.
I bet ol' Steve pitches a tent
I’ve actually seen one 292 that sported two 660 Holley. Car was a 55. Chevy and ran 12.80s on a 12.93 N gas index in 1973. Yea, I know telling my age. But it was a show to watch this car leave with the wheel up. Thanks for your videos. I really enjoy them. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with this motor. Some of the truck motors had steel cranks in them. Look for the ones with the real thin balancers.
That is the coolest looking boat anchor I have seen in a while !!!!
You're just being silly Richard, don't ever stop
never
I've definitely thought about doing this haha. Thanks for The Other Guys Content!!
Really cool to see you do all this!! Out of the ordinary! Love it!
a guy came to my fab shop wanting me to convert his 292 intake to a 2 barrel, i did it but it was a lot of work, exhaust comes up two passages to heat the carb. they had to be welded shut from underneath, then i gutted the top side and welded a 2bbl flange i cut out of an old SBC intake, i tried to sell him a clifford 4bbl intake but nope he wanted a 2bbl, he installed a 2g, said it worked great.
This was a fun video! I had been avoiding the series because I've been down the i6 rabbit hole a time or two. But this is pretty fun. Going to watch the rest and like. Thanks Richard.
Thanks for putting so much time and effort into an engine that most would sell for scrap. When you get to test I'd be really to know what kind of total timing these 292s like. Thanks!
My God he's a madman... (cant wait to watch the test runs and hotrodded final form)
Nothing exceeds like excess. Outstanding!
This video is just joy for people who see things and say bigger is better 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A lump kit with the boss removed in the intakes makes a huge difference with these engines. Good luck!
Yes it does!
After manifold on the 292 failed my had an intake and exhaust manifold built from tube. 2 barrel holley and free flowing exhaust livened it up nicely. It sounded awesome also nice and smooth for such an old hunk of steel. Looking forward to boost
I can't wait to see 1bbl, 2bbl, 4150, and 4500 run on this!
You really do enjoy your work, Richard!👍Tony
I did that test on a stock 200 ford.
The dominator ran great and made the most power but we floated the valves severely by the end.
Make sure you baseline it with the one barrel!
In college I put a 500cfm demon 2bbl on my flathead. Ran good at higher rpm , but tip in leaving a stop sign and it would fall on its face. Spent way too much time trying to tune it. I got it better but finally had to accept it was just to big.
Looking forward to it, looks like someone is returning to his backyard roots!
he never left
Having seen many adapters that are useless I suggest this is one. I suspect power and distribution from the factory carb will be better
I have spent quite a while extensively modding and adapters they can work ok. Use a button head bolts instead of those dreadbull bolts.
As for carb sideways? Holleys have a direction. Probably ok on the dyno but useless on the road.
When I asked at the parts store for adapters to go from one barrel to two, and two to four, the reaction was, "That's like trying to put a tornado through a keyhole!" I thought it was a fair analogy, used an Offenhauser four barrel intake instead, and put a QuadraJet on it. I oriented it with the primaries at the front, like it is on the V8s, not "sideways", because sideways seemed strange to me. It's snug where the automatic choke cuddles up to the valve cover, but doable. In retrospect, I might try the sideways mounting another time. It looks like your stack of adapters may have two advantages - a "tunnel ram" effect, and good insulation to prevent heat soak and vapor lock. Have you installed and run it?
Holy crap I can't wait to see the results on this 😂
Hahahaha this is fantastic. Here's another idea! Because that manifold is cast iron, could you chop the plenum off, and use simple homebrew mig welding to build a nice big plenum from box steel or sheet metal to feed the cylinders with a single 4 barrel? I've seen people have good results welding cast iron just by being careful and using the stack 'o tacks technique like you use with sheet metal.
6 single side draft carburetors
I love how broad your content is.
One video will be like 'Testing 1000+hp turbocharged intercooled injected big 500+ci block stroker with nitrous"
The next video "Stacking 7 carb spacers on a pushrod six cylinder because why not"
all of it is fun-junkyard trip tomorrow
I saw a pic of Ford straight six where someone had made a cross flow head out of some LS heads and he was feeding that with trip deuces. No idea what kind of power they were making but it sure had that "sweet" factor to it.
What a teezer. Lets see all those differences on the dyno. I was going to upgrade my 292 with offy 4 barrel intake and 390 holley. From the old roch single.
GO HAM ON IT, throw the kitchen sink at it if you have the chance ! 😈 You're awesome, thanks for the hard work ! 👌🏻😊👍🏻
Yes, please. I want to see all of the carbs tested just because that's what I'd doing if I had the chance to do it myself
I was thinking the 1 to 2 adapter should have been tapered for a better transition, and the spacer would need to be an open oval instead of the holes, not sure how that spacer would change the transition from 2 to 1 , but I want to see the motor run on the dyno now!
Lol, Fred Flintstone would be proud of your machine work...
That spacer won't help at all, unless you at least cut the divider out.
I would have sawed a 2 bbl. sized oval hole right in the top of the manifold!
Dyno test this thing with both toilets ! I know a guy who put a 4bbl Holley on a Yammy SRX snow sled , it bogged , wheelied straight up and broke the belt....a new belt ;)
Red Green once explained that a carburetor has a tank with a float and a lever to control the flow. That is why there was a toilet on the hood of his Camaro. It was a great episode, a lot like this one
I might have built that 292 motor, I hired into Chevy in the hole in 68 and pushed pistons on the motors . I hated 292 motors because of the long stroke, and sump pistons of that time. Terry
I've always thought a sideways carb mount on a straight 6 is best. Although some carbs (like a Weber 34 ADM) already have throttles that open up in that same orientation.
That's exactly how I got a dominator mounted onto my B&S lawnmower.
I love the hands on getting them dirty engine work/talk....cheers
The most I've tried was on a Jeep 6 with a factory Carter 2 barrel. I we t to a Holley, but for that I cut out the functionless center divider and worked on the radius blending the sides down just short of finding daylight
*does quick VE calc on back of envelope for 292 cid @ 6000rpms*
Richard bolts on Dominator.
*throws away envelope*
like I can do a calculation-or afford and envelope!
@@richardholdener1727 Well, why dont you just get a job at Comp or Edelbrock? Gotta pay better, less hours, and benefits too! I'd miss ya though, lol.
@@richardholdener1727 How much do you spend a year on engine parts? 100 grand? 500 grand? How do ya make yer money back? You Tube and car magazines cant pay that much.
I think you should add another step into the equation. Maybe try a FI tech or Holley fuel injection after the dominator and see if that picks up any power over the carbs.
I built a 250 ci six and ran a Clifford manifold with a 390 CFM Holley 4bbl on it. It ran great but was didn't run well cold because the manifold wasn't heated.
try molly grease on the tap next time, take a turn or two and remove it. clean the grease re-grease and you catch all the chips in the grease. also where's the dual quad adapter at?
thnx-we've done the grease thing (Vortech oil pans)-the intake was coming off
Grease trick also good for tapping, inserting ripped out Ford sparkplugs in aluminum heads...
Can you do a dyno on this motor and see what it does with all of what you have adapted then put an offenheuser intake on it and see what happens
Yep, was expecting at least 3 dynos...
That's a good idea. I have an offy to put on my 6.
Yes please run it in all 4 configurations! 😁👍🏻
How is the spacer going to do anything for airflow transition? You are just extending the barrels of the carb, which exits in the same (or near the same) place as what the carb would in the first place. Wouldn't an open plenum spacer do what you are wanting it to do here? Give the flow an easier transition around the bolts and the flat area of the adapter.
out of morbid curiosity, yes run them all!
More inline 6 content please!!
What about turning up the wick on an Aussie “ Barra” 6 cylinder.. now that is the definition of other guy!!
a Barra is the GUY!
with the 2 barrel adapter being a 2 hole rather than an open hole you arent really gaining any transition area since the fuel air mixture still has to hard cut over after the spacer. I think your idea would only show a benefit if you machined out that spacer so its a big oval hole rather than the 2 hole.
Second, are you planning on running other intakes on the 292 or just the modified stock one? I know after market manifolds for those arent exactly littering craigslist.
Seeing this reminds me of vintage dirt modifieds.
That was awesome thanks for keep entrained richard keep it coming
I've seen kits to put 2 or 3 one barrels on a Ford 170/200/250 I-6, which had the horrible integral manifolds. You had to drill and tap the manifolds.
I remember an issue of Popular Hot Rodding (i think) magazine where they put 6 separate carbs from a 450 cc Honda motorcycle (well 3 450's that is) on a 200 or 250 Inch inline 6 in a 65 mustang! it looked really neat and made a bunch more power, torque and mileage to boot!
@@maker-matt More than one way to skin a...um, chicken, lol. (I'm a cat lover)
'53 & '54 Corvette stock with 3 side draft carb.s...
Richard what will you think about this, once you install and tight those bolts I believe if you pour epoxy in the adapter and cover those bolts and shape a form to make kind of a funnel your speed will be increased and your fuel mixture will not fall apart by hitting those bolts and abrupt corners, it may be worth to try with and without to see how much of a effect it does, and for the 4 barrel carburetor I would modified that two barrel spacer and make a open spacer from it, there again you will have problems with fuel mixture hitting the sharp edges of the two barrel spacer and create fuel dripping I think ( maybe I'm wrong ).
I don't think that that engine will even start with a Dominator or if it does it will bug and dye but, but that is MHO, still it will be interesting to see test result of what happen to the fuel if it gets to run with such a big carburetor.
I want to see this on the Dyno! The only problem would be fitting the Dominator under any hood. It would definitely be an eye catcher for sure.
One engine i would love to see on a dyno is GMC 50'S Pickups had Big V6 engines. Before Big Block V8's came out. The biggest V6 GM made i think it was a 476CI.
You will need a roof scoop in your dyno room lol great video Richard.
Richard the stock pistons give out at 5-7 lbs of boost with the Wright amount of timing other than thg that my little 250 i6 is holding strong
I bet we get way beyond that boost level
Seeing Richard go from 30k to 81k makes me happy, I can’t wait until the days it goes to 2mil and we’re looking at him dyno testing how a Z06 7.0 compares to a Hellcat bolted back to back against each other
As you dig into carb options, and not having the 2bbl built yet, have you ever looked into what the difference in power is between a blow through carb and a draw through? Whats the difference in power, jetting, charge temp, etc. Thank you, sir.
Its like a intake manifold for the INTAKE MANIFOLD
The 4.8L I6 in the Nissan Patrol has made over 1,200 HP overseas with a turbo on it.
I like where this is going. Be interesting to see the results.
Know matter what flow those carbs produce the flow will ultimately be the restriction of that intake opening..
Are you going to machine some custom .010 jets for that dominator ? Silly Richard ! Thank you for the comedy!
it will actually need bigger jets with no signal
Dominators always look good on big blocks, even big block sixes 😉
I think a 250ci vs 292ci gm i6 shootout is in order. The 250ci engine was way smoother and revier in stock form .... should respond well to BOOST!
You are gonna catch hell from the desktop tuners for putting a dominator on a 292. Personally I’m curious what it would do. If anything
Won't move enough air to get a good vacuum signal pulling fuel out of the bowls.
@@Nikko780 Exactly, it's a joke he would have to block 3 of the holes off and use a long ramp accelerator pump cam to get enough to pull a signal.
@@Nikko780 Sounds like an argument for annular discharge injection around the perimeter of the throats...! ;)
It would start and run, but might bog at full throttle even at max RPMs...
Richard have you considered doing anything with the LS based 4.3(LV3)?
I don't think that is ls based. That's mostly an urban legend.
This is a very popular engine in the drag scene in Brazil they make big power with those engines. I think only the vw1.8 AP is more popular than the 292.
Richard, I'm a viewer from Latinamerica the 250 chevy which is is this same anegine but shorter is very common to modify in both Brazil and Argentina. I'm sure you may fine good parts for that here
Rich, there's GOT to be someone out there that can fabricate you a stainless steel intake manifold for the 292 that has a plenum big enough to weld a square bore 4 barrel flange to. This is the equivalent of trying to choke a high compression turbo engine down to a single 1 3/4" exhaust.
wait til you see what I have in store for the intake
@@richardholdener1727 Absolutely cannot wait. The madness you do is gold in terms of learning and entertainment.
@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 AGREED..TOTALLY
Richard Holdener : We simply cant wait. Ill bet its gonna be, um, nukkin Futtzz.
Can’t wait! Good fun!