My little sister and I were _tense_ watching this scene in the 90s. We were screaming for Macy and Sally to get out of there! I remember my sister hiding under the covers a few times (which she usually only did whenever Brooke appeared).
I don't even think getting Thorne out of jail is *on* Connor's list... He's done with Brooke's case and has time on his hands. Notice he's visiting his former client Dylan but not Thorne.
Once again we see that Connor and James occupy a similar "space" on the show with the two of them trying to ask Maggie out on a date. And the future pairing of Maggie and James means he will win that competition which also makes this another example of James _crowding out_ Connor's role on the show. I wrote about this phenomenon in episodes *1842* and *2071.*
*Annie* has written about the fairytale aspects of Anthony's storyline and in this episode there is a reference to the three deadly objects the Queen used to try to k ill Snow White. The poisoned apple is represented by the "arsenic" salad dressing that he serves to Macy, the suffocating corset is represented by the lingerie he demands that she wear despite her discomfort, and the poisoned comb is represented by the 🔫 which Anthony can put to Macy's head.
Ooh, I love it! I totally missed the "fairy tale three" in this scene, but you are right - there are _three_ times when the show plays with our expectations of Macy's imminent unalivement (or rather, that _Anthony_ plays with _Macy's_ expectations of him mur de ring her, like a cat playing with a mouse), first him making her eat the salad not knowing whether or not it's poisoned, then him making her close her eyes and accept his "surprise" not knowing what he will do to her while her eyes are closed, and finally him about to enter the bedroom with the 🔫, which is how he _actually_ intends to unalive her. These three objects also represent the three courses on the "menu" for the evening - dinner, s ex, and death.
@@annieo6527 I absolutely love the way you and Nick play off each other and build on each other's arguments and theories. It's great how technology can allow two people with your analytical skills from different backgrounds to come together in this space and do this.
@@parker341 Thanks Parker! ❤ It's good to remember the _positive_ effects of technological progress since so much commentary is focused on the negative.
Right about now, she is probably thinking what an incredibly bad idea that was. By the way, there's another missed beat in this storyline. I would have loved to see a scene with Macy, Sally, Anthony and little CJ, with Anthony telling CJ he is going to marry his sister and be part of his family, CJ all excited, and Macy and Sally absolutely horrified.
What is so special about Maggie that she has 3 guys she just met be interested in her? And how convenient all 3 of these guys know each other and not one of them ever mention her by name.
You know, what Thorne does to Macy in season 13 will seem _so much worse_ after we've just watched her heroically risk her life to save him in this season.
In this episode, Sally is explicitly stating what *Nick* and I have been discussing before, how Sally's actions here are her way of redeeming the mistakes she made with Anthony early on in the storyline - inviting him into her life, allowing him to get close to Macy, and letting him drive a wedge between Sally and Macy. Sally says it herself - she got Anthony _into_ Macy's life, and now she has to get Anthony _out_ of Macy's life. Opening the door to Anthony was _Sally's_ mistake, not Macy's, and so it makes sense that it is Sally, not Macy, who must ultimately pay the price. In fact, I am only now realizing that this is another one of those structural "palindrome points" in this storyline, but one I missed in my list from episode 1956 (where it fits in between points 2 and 3) - right after Macy and Anthony's first encounter, Sally decided to welcome Anthony into Macy's orbit, and now, right before Macy and Anthony's _last_ scene (which is a mirror image of that first night), Sally has decided to do the _reverse_ and get rid of him.
YES! I picked up on that too when Sally narrated the history of Anthony's trajectory on the show. She even put him in context as one of those dangerous handsome men she has a weakness for.
🤣 I just cannot with Sally! Not in that outfit lol Meanwhile, Macy should consider getting some kind of extra security at her window if someone in fancy dress and heels can so easily access it 😂
Jessica’s doesn’t require much of Maggie .She is considered a good mom because she suggested she fight for her Bf …You know the one the family had on trial for statutory rape against Jessica! Does the good mother even know that happened? Maggie never even asked her Bfs name 😂
Let's start with Maggie the mother who basically gave her daughter away for someone else to raise her. But.. At least she's showed up now. Jessica's father (Eric's bro) is still missing in action in her life. I guess he's just like Eric 😕
Connor is finished with Brookes case and has time on his hands…. Don’t spend any extra time on Thorne’s case The Forrester’s don’t care .Why should he ???
I wish Antony hadn't been written this way. I really like the actor. He played this role brilliantly and i'm sure he would have played any part just as well.
As per usual, the show's best storyline gets the least screen time. What makes it worse is that it's reaching a significant climax. If this was the climax of a Ridge/Brooke/Taylor storyline, it would dominate an entire episode (or episodes). But no, Macy/Sally/Anthony/Thorne are stuck, fighting for screen time with Brad's efforts to build up Maggie's character. That is if you call three male characters and her daughter hyping her up a form of character development/building.
These scenes with Anthony and Macy are alot more harrowing than those of Sheila's farewell at the Forresters. At least it's just Anthony vs Macy. At the Forresters it was 6 ppl vs Sheila plus police outside and somehow Sheila still had the upper hand 😕. And I found myself chuckling more at Sheila's antics (and those of the others even at gunpoint). I'm not laughing today (except for the vision of Sally climbing up the fire escape 😂) ...seriously tho... Anthony really has me feeling uneasy and worried for Macy.
Absolutely. And I think this shows again what a complex and interesting character Sheila was. She didn't terrify us like Anthony because she wasn't pure evil. The viewer could relate to and even identify with Sheila (especially when Eric was being a terrible husband to her and several of us in the comments took her side in the marriage!).
Great point! I think it really proves the point *Nick* made a while ago about "surprise vs suspense". Sheila's goodbye party played more on the _surprise_ element - Sheila is in the house! Sheila pulls out a 🔫! Sheila tries to unalive herself! Yes, we _did_ have clues about these plot points beforehand, but they weren't _present_ in the scene until Sheila showed them. Macy and Anthony's "goodbye dinner" is _all about suspense._ We see the "dance of the hidden objects" throughout the evening, we know exactly what each of the characters are planning, we _sense_ the danger that Macy is in and watch her move closer and closer to disaster. Then there is the whole question of vulnerability. The Forresters were surrounded by the police and each other. Sheila was alone and actually quite vulnerable, and in the end she backed down and turned out to be less of a threat, less of a villain, than we thought. The whole setup felt a little theatrical (and of course Ridge and Eric's acting didn't exactly help the seriousness of the scene). Macy, by contrast, is alone, unarmed, exposed, and fighting pure evil. And finally, relatability. Our sympathies in the first scenario were actually with _Sheila_ (mine, anyway). In the second scenario, we identify entirely with Macy and so we *feel her fear* much more than we felt the Forresters' fear.
@@annieo6527 Oh good point! Another reason this scene is more terrifying than Sheila's Goodbye Party is because it's more _suspenseful._ That's so true! Even though Sheila was a more complex character than Anthony, the denouement of her storyline was not particularly well-written while Anthony's final chapter is currently the best written storyline on the show (again minus the un-involvement of the Forresters in Thorne's plight). When Sheila was waving around that 🔫 the other characters didn't even seem scared with Stephanie outright insulting Sheila and Lauren scoffing at her powerlessness. That is _not_ the way it feels now when Anthony is brandishing a we a p on. 😱
I have to wonder if we - the audience - are detecting his tone, volume, sarcasm, giving commands and double entendre and Macy is not seeing just how dangerous this is becoming. If she is terrified, she is doing a kinda good job containing herself, sticking around and going along with Anthony's orders.
@@teligon I think Macy is aware of how dangerous her plan is, but she thinks she can handle it because she doesn't realize that Anthony knows her secret and is planning to mu r der her.
* The tape recorder and the 🔫* The setting for Anthony and Macy's final dinner is interesting in that the deadly undercurrent never quite breaks through the romantic surface level. Throughout the episode, Anthony and Macy carry out the motions of a couple in love, while each of them is secretly plotting the other's destruction in an elaborate cobra vs mongoose dance. And this life-or-death struggle for plot control is clearly manifested in two hidden objects, the tape recorder and the🔫, which the two characters are shown continuously handling and concealing from each other (even as they tell each other that they have nothing to hide - the use of extreme closeups in this episode is very suggestive and a nice touch in the camerawork). These two objects represent the different ways that Macy and Anthony are trying to take control of the plot - Macy using truth (the tape) and Anthony using force (the g un). Both their "we a po ns of choice" in this duel represent something fundamental about who they are as characters, the🔫being a ph a llic and threa tening object, and the tape recorder being a tool for _making one's _*_voice_*_ heard._ And it is clear that the battle between Macy and Anthony is a battle between these two objects - whoever controls the objects, controls the course of events. Both characters need to hold on to their own object _but also take charge of the other's object_ in order to succeed. Macy will need to get hold of the g un or she loses her life. Anthony will need to get hold of the tape recorder or he loses his freedom. But Anthony has the upper hand because he _knows_ about the existence of the tape recorder while Macy _doesn't_ know about the existence of the🔫.
I was going to write something about Macy and Anthony struggling for control of the plot in this episode and then I realized, Annie will totally have that beat covered. And you did it brilliantly! 🙂Love your point about who controls the object, controls the plot. This struggle is also playing out the way different artists (and both Anthony and Macy are artists) compete to be the _auteur_ of a piece of art, like putting on a TV show. Macy trying to “record” the sound and Anthony trying to "s h ** t the ending." And by the end of the episode, it seems Anthony has taken full control of the scene the way a director tries to impose his will: by refusing to read the script that Macy wants him to read (the confession) and literally directing Macy where to sit: 2:20 and 10:50.
@@NewYorkNick0607 great points! And I think what you wrote in another post about Anthony's "deadly double entendres" can also be understood as manifestations of plot control. He is so sure of his power that he can afford all these unnecessary flourishes. He is basically _toying_ with Macy - talking about her death using word play, making her follow his commands and enjoying the discomfort it causes her, making her say that she loves him, telling her what to wear, making her close her eyes and then waving the 🔫 around in front of her, because he knows that he _can_ - he knows that she will do _anything_ to get her tape recording. It's quite a cr uel game that he's playing because he is using her hope against her to get her to do his bidding, knowing that everything she does is in vain because he intends to k ill her anyway.
"A little older than Jessica....." My version of a "little" older might be 3-5 years but I guess old enough to be your mother is a little older as well lol.
With Sheila temporarily gone Anthony is occupying the villain position more than ever. Yesterday Thorne asked Macy (episode 2088 after the 9 minute mark) _How did this happen Macy? How Did we get so mixed up with a maniac like Anthony?_ *The answer is Sheila.* Sheila paved the way for Anthony to slither his way into Macy's life like the snake 🐍 that he is. She did this by spiking Macy's orange juice with vodka in episode 1648 (15: 08). All this because Thorne expressed his views about Sheila not being good enough for his loser dad, and he didn't invite Sheila to Macy's party to celebrate her sobriety. Sheila is a sociopath, she's incapable of seeing herself as the problem like her "good friend." Sheila added more vodka 🥃🍸as Macy was saying hi to a friend/acquaintance in episode 1649 around 6: 40 mark. My Gosh Anthony almost violated Macy when she was unconscious in episode 1650 We also have Sally, knowing what Anthony had tried to do still encouraged Anthony to pursue Macy just so that she can end her marriage to Thorne (Sally was on one of her anti all things Forrester post her failed relationship with Jack). She herself ended up falling for Armando. Back to Anthony: - Macy's 12 step program was compromised. - Her marriage was ruined (poor communication between her and Thorne was still a major factor). - Her relationship with her mom Sally was almost destroyed. - Irv got killed viciously. - Thorne is -forgotten- a lot more than usual in prison for a crime he didn't even commit.
Love your post Tiroyaone! Sheila has gone but her last evil deeds help the show to have great drama. Edit: even now with everybody thinking Bridget is Ridge's daughter. But I have to admit, the B storyline is soo good 😊 and the next A one...
YES! Anthony emerged like a kind of evil sp i rit "summoned" by Sheila mixing that potion and giving it to Macy. Although Sheila is no longer on the show, Anthony is, in a way, her creation.
James finds Maggie attractive and charming just after the five minutes they spent together the other day. That time is enough for the writers to pair people here🥱 what about the perfect time, a line, a look .The viewers need to fall in love with a couple before the characters notice it themselves. What a waste of potential romance and strange pairing is this show.
@@TriniT21 I know, I don't see the appeal of this character (nothing at all against the actress!). And the way her trivial problems with her daughter are inserted right into Sally's infinitely more serious problems with _her_ daughter just feel jarring.
Who will be watching and commenting S13? 😁As much as I prefer to watch the show in order (and will continue to do so here), I will definitely be tuning in for season 13 as well, because if my calculations are correct, this should be 1999-2000 which was a *_really good_* year, very dramatic, dark and soapy! The season should start right at the Taylor twin pregnancy drama, the Brooke/Thorne/Macy triangle, and Amber passing off Becky's baby as her son!
I will tune in. The Thorne/brooke/macy Triangel will send Stephanie off the rails. Finally I will see the full sl unfold, that finally earned SF not just an Emmy nomation but also a win. I think its that season. But I would prefer to watch it in order. Not looking forward Eric/Lauren, but I guess I have to endure that mess.
@@NewYorkNick0607 they will start uploading three episodes a day on March 1. I would love to hear your thoughts on it! It is a _very_ dramatic season with a lot of high stakes storylines.
Now I've watched 2088 episodes, watching several episodes every day. Bold and the Beautiful - 1995 (S8 E337) FULL EPISODE 2088 These episodes are from 1995. Why do I have to wait for a new episode every day here on UA-cam? Since they are from 1995, I will never finish the entire series as long as I live with only one episode per day.
The conflation of sex and murder in the Macy/Anthony scenes was interesting, and a very telling indicator of Anthony’s dark, twisted, pathology. First, Anthony plots to f*ck Macy, then kill her, while clearly identifying both as sources of passion. To him, though, the murder is the true “climax” of the evening, as is evidenced by his taunts about the “dessert” being the best part. Continuing this theme, a blindfolded Macy purrs to Anthony to “give it to me, baby” as Anthony waves the gun around. She doesn’t know how very literally he plans to do that, both with his male “weapon” and his literal weapon. The French may call the orgasm “le petit mort”, but Anthony is going for the big one. All of this aligns with an observation I made several months ago. There was a scene in which Anthony fantasizes about telling Macy what he did, Macy acknowledging his power over her, and then Anthony basically compelling Macy to succumb to him. It struck me that he doesn’t fantasize about her joyously and willingly wanting to make love to her, but about *forcing* her. Today’s scenes were the real-life manifestation and culmination of those fantasies. Anthony doesn’t just want Macy, he wants to force her to be his. Macy unwittingly tapped into this dark desire several episodes ago, when she intuited that the key to securing Anthony’s confession was to trick him into thinking she, too, was turned on by violence. That his murdering Ivana for her would make her swoon. This theme, twisted as it is, has been deftly set up and woven consistently throughout the Macy/Anthony scenes all along. It’s what elevates the storyline above some of the other B&B dross. And it’s what makes Sally’s role as Macy’s protector here both appropriate and somewhat humorous, in a Victorian old-school kind of way. Mama Sally must protect not only her daughter’s safety, but her virtue.
What a great analysis! 👏I agree wholeheartedly with your take on these scenes - the whole storyline of Anthony/Macy has been a kind of veiled r a pe reference, which was foreshadowed the very first time that Anthony met Macy and tried to do just that. Even when he was trying to romance Macy early on, he always tried to bypass her cons ent (designing swimsuits that would disappear, making her sympathize with him by inventing dead cats that weren't there, never listening when she told him no), and the games he is playing with her in this episode are no different. Everything she does in this episode, he makes her do against her will - even telling him that she loves him. And the 🔫that Anthony waves around is a perfect metaphor because that too is used for forced pen e tr a tion. I also think you have a great point about "protecting Macy's virtue" in the Victorian sense. A lot of emphasis has been made on the notion that Macy _mustn't_ sleep with Anthony (I wrote a separate essay post on it in episode 2089), that she mustn't give herself to him, or "sell her soul to the devil". And this is also reinforced by Anthony behaving kind of like Dracula in these scenes (always kissing and touching Macy's neck) - Dracula _also_ having strong undertones of s ex and r ape against the backdrop of Victorian virtue.
@@annieo6527I really like the parallel with vampires - excellent point! Anthony certainly was an emotional vampire if nothing else, sucking all the good out of Macy’s life!
Alright, that was weird my comment went up in smoke💨 ?? I just wanted to see if anyone knows if they will continue season 8/9 that we are currently watching? Because it seems like they won’t since a showtime is not listed. Kind of sad they would stop here (well part of season 10 is out there) then pick up again season 13???
Connor asked Dylan what Jessica's mum is like before asking her out but Dylan hasn't met her and doesn't know it's Maggie. James asked Maggie out but Maggie says she is already seeing someone Dylan). The one person who should be asking my wife Barbara out is me - her Chinese Husband Matthew See. Maggie says that Dylan is three certain men rolled into one. I admit I am none of those three men. All I am is a Chinese man who is in love with this beautiful white woman Barbara. Jessica brought up the subject of honesty and I have been very honest in how I feel about my wife Barbara and I love her so much and I always will. Matthew See Barbara Crampton's Chinese Husband
It’s hard to believe that Maggie Forrester has all the men jumping at the chance to be with her. Dylan, James, Conner lol. I mean, she’s NOT really all that attractive, she’s NOT really all that smart, she’s NOT all that sophisticated, she’s NOT all that glamorous, and she’s NOT all that sexy.
My little sister and I were _tense_ watching this scene in the 90s. We were screaming for Macy and Sally to get out of there! I remember my sister hiding under the covers a few times (which she usually only did whenever Brooke appeared).
Thanks for sharing your memories about the first airing of the ep. Your cherry on top trademark is hilarious 😂
😂😂😂
“Getting Thorne out of Prison” has now fallen below “Saving Brooke’s Marriage” and “Dating Maggie” on Attorney Connor’s Priority List.
Yeah, I was like "Connor, don't you have _actual work_ to do ?"
I don't even think getting Thorne out of jail is *on* Connor's list...
He's done with Brooke's case and has time on his hands.
Notice he's visiting his former client Dylan but not Thorne.
Your so right about that
Connor is going from bad to worse. Looks like he has a thing for older women. Explains why Taylor/Macy and he never hooked up.
They have NEVER given Thorn any attention! I’ve never seen them at the prison!
This was obviously a tense dramatic scene but Anthony's deadly double entendres and Sally coming through the window cracked me up. 😂
Sally doing anything cracks me up 😂
This is what I love about Sally. This character moves effortlessly between comedy, drama and tragedy without missing a beat.
Guys am I recalling this correctly: wasn't there a reporter (Bill Spencer's spy) in the window at Sally and Clarke's wedding?
@@NewYorkNick0607 yes, there was!
Sally ❤❤❤❤ 😊😊😊 one of the greatest
Maggie thinks she's cute going after her daughter's man.
In a few years I'll outdo her in this area. 💅
😂😂😂
Once again we see that Connor and James occupy a similar "space" on the show with the two of them trying to ask Maggie out on a date. And the future pairing of Maggie and James means he will win that competition which also makes this another example of James _crowding out_ Connor's role on the show. I wrote about this phenomenon in episodes *1842* and *2071.*
I love it when you elaborate by taking us back
Great point! And once again, between Dylan and James, there will be _no place_ for Connor.
*Annie* has written about the fairytale aspects of Anthony's storyline and in this episode there is a reference to the three deadly objects the Queen used to try to k ill Snow White. The poisoned apple is represented by the "arsenic" salad dressing that he serves to Macy, the suffocating corset is represented by the lingerie he demands that she wear despite her discomfort, and the poisoned comb is represented by the 🔫 which Anthony can put to Macy's head.
Ooh, I love it! I totally missed the "fairy tale three" in this scene, but you are right - there are _three_ times when the show plays with our expectations of Macy's imminent unalivement (or rather, that _Anthony_ plays with _Macy's_ expectations of him mur de ring her, like a cat playing with a mouse), first him making her eat the salad not knowing whether or not it's poisoned, then him making her close her eyes and accept his "surprise" not knowing what he will do to her while her eyes are closed, and finally him about to enter the bedroom with the 🔫, which is how he _actually_ intends to unalive her.
These three objects also represent the three courses on the "menu" for the evening - dinner, s ex, and death.
@@annieo6527 I absolutely love the way you and Nick play off each other and build on each other's arguments and theories. It's great how technology can allow two people with your analytical skills from different backgrounds to come together in this space and do this.
@@parker341 thank you! 😊❤ I love it too!
@@parker341 Thanks Parker! ❤ It's good to remember the _positive_ effects of technological progress since so much commentary is focused on the negative.
Yes! The magic number 3.
Has Sally forgotten she wanted to marry Anthony and make him CJ's step father at one point?
Right about now, she is probably thinking what an incredibly bad idea that was.
By the way, there's another missed beat in this storyline. I would have loved to see a scene with Macy, Sally, Anthony and little CJ, with Anthony telling CJ he is going to marry his sister and be part of his family, CJ all excited, and Macy and Sally absolutely horrified.
What is so special about Maggie that she has 3 guys she just met be interested in her? And how convenient all 3 of these guys know each other and not one of them ever mention her by name.
Maggie and Jessica don't also never mention Dylan's name!!
She is beautiful and that is why they are interested.
She's about as interesting as Brooke.... So, nothing special about her either😂
Maggie's got spunk. But I don't understand how Connor who has never met her could be interested in an older woman. Guess he isn't over Brooke yet 😅
@@galoutlaw8089 Aren’t they around the same age?Maybe a few years difference🤔
Sally and Macy deserve passes for life from the Forresters with what they are doing and risking for Thorne. 😳
You know, what Thorne does to Macy in season 13 will seem _so much worse_ after we've just watched her heroically risk her life to save him in this season.
@@annieo6527 I'm getting mad at Thorne already....
@@TriniT21 and as if that wasn't enough, that storyline ends in some of the most gut-wrenchingly tragic scenes I've ever seen on this show.
Right on. Risking her life for the man she loves. Now that’s sacrifice.
@@TriniT21 These Forrester men do not deserve anythn gud in their life.
In this episode, Sally is explicitly stating what *Nick* and I have been discussing before, how Sally's actions here are her way of redeeming the mistakes she made with Anthony early on in the storyline - inviting him into her life, allowing him to get close to Macy, and letting him drive a wedge between Sally and Macy. Sally says it herself - she got Anthony _into_ Macy's life, and now she has to get Anthony _out_ of Macy's life. Opening the door to Anthony was _Sally's_ mistake, not Macy's, and so it makes sense that it is Sally, not Macy, who must ultimately pay the price.
In fact, I am only now realizing that this is another one of those structural "palindrome points" in this storyline, but one I missed in my list from episode 1956 (where it fits in between points 2 and 3) - right after Macy and Anthony's first encounter, Sally decided to welcome Anthony into Macy's orbit, and now, right before Macy and Anthony's _last_ scene (which is a mirror image of that first night), Sally has decided to do the _reverse_ and get rid of him.
YES! I picked up on that too when Sally narrated the history of Anthony's trajectory on the show. She even put him in context as one of those dangerous handsome men she has a weakness for.
Connor can't keep a woman and, also, a friend in this show.
Good, I find him pretty useless!!
Only his job he’s keeping
Anthony would be good at fliming in horror movies coz he has that killer look....😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Totaly agree!! So convincing he was as a psycho!!!😱
Hes perfect
Sally climbs up the fire escape and easily crawls in Macys window🤔
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I just cannot with Sally! Not in that outfit lol
Meanwhile, Macy should consider getting some kind of extra security at her window if someone in fancy dress and heels can so easily access it 😂
Sally must be super strong and agile. 🥴
@@TriniT21 I know! 😂If anyone can just walk into her bedroom, Anthony isn't her only problem!
Charlie angels that Sally !!
Macy and Anthony story is currently the best.
The rest is just a waste 😢.
Your so right about that
Do they finally get married & have a child?
@@jgoldfarb3 yes they get married but they won't have a child
Jessica’s doesn’t require much of Maggie .She is considered a good mom because she suggested she fight for her Bf …You know the one the family had on trial for statutory rape against Jessica! Does the good mother even know that happened? Maggie never even asked her Bfs name 😂
Let's start with Maggie the mother who basically gave her daughter away for someone else to raise her.
But.. At least she's showed up now. Jessica's father (Eric's bro) is still missing in action in her life. I guess he's just like Eric 😕
Connor is finished with Brookes case and has time on his hands….
Don’t spend any extra time on Thorne’s case
The Forrester’s don’t care .Why should he ???
I wish Antony hadn't been written this way. I really like the actor. He played this role brilliantly and i'm sure he would have played any part just as well.
I absolutely agree. Michael Sabatino is a fantastic actor💜👍
Right, they throw away another brilliant designer for Spectra and a great semi villain. They turned him into a complete psycho.
I feel the same way about Sheila! 😦🤭😧😕
As per usual, the show's best storyline gets the least screen time. What makes it worse is that it's reaching a significant climax. If this was the climax of a Ridge/Brooke/Taylor storyline, it would dominate an entire episode (or episodes). But no, Macy/Sally/Anthony/Thorne are stuck, fighting for screen time with Brad's efforts to build up Maggie's character. That is if you call three male characters and her daughter hyping her up a form of character development/building.
Right…I agree with you. Not really interested in the Macy storyline. 😟
These scenes with Anthony and Macy are alot more harrowing than those of Sheila's farewell at the Forresters.
At least it's just Anthony vs Macy. At the Forresters it was 6 ppl vs Sheila plus police outside and somehow Sheila still had the upper hand 😕. And I found myself chuckling more at Sheila's antics (and those of the others even at gunpoint).
I'm not laughing today (except for the vision of Sally climbing up the fire escape 😂) ...seriously tho... Anthony really has me feeling uneasy and worried for Macy.
Absolutely. And I think this shows again what a complex and interesting character Sheila was. She didn't terrify us like Anthony because she wasn't pure evil. The viewer could relate to and even identify with Sheila (especially when Eric was being a terrible husband to her and several of us in the comments took her side in the marriage!).
Great point! I think it really proves the point *Nick* made a while ago about "surprise vs suspense".
Sheila's goodbye party played more on the _surprise_ element - Sheila is in the house! Sheila pulls out a 🔫! Sheila tries to unalive herself! Yes, we _did_ have clues about these plot points beforehand, but they weren't _present_ in the scene until Sheila showed them.
Macy and Anthony's "goodbye dinner" is _all about suspense._ We see the "dance of the hidden objects" throughout the evening, we know exactly what each of the characters are planning, we _sense_ the danger that Macy is in and watch her move closer and closer to disaster.
Then there is the whole question of vulnerability. The Forresters were surrounded by the police and each other. Sheila was alone and actually quite vulnerable, and in the end she backed down and turned out to be less of a threat, less of a villain, than we thought. The whole setup felt a little theatrical (and of course Ridge and Eric's acting didn't exactly help the seriousness of the scene). Macy, by contrast, is alone, unarmed, exposed, and fighting pure evil.
And finally, relatability. Our sympathies in the first scenario were actually with _Sheila_ (mine, anyway). In the second scenario, we identify entirely with Macy and so we *feel her fear* much more than we felt the Forresters' fear.
@@annieo6527 Oh good point! Another reason this scene is more terrifying than Sheila's Goodbye Party is because it's more _suspenseful._ That's so true! Even though Sheila was a more complex character than Anthony, the denouement of her storyline was not particularly well-written while Anthony's final chapter is currently the best written storyline on the show (again minus the un-involvement of the Forresters in Thorne's plight). When Sheila was waving around that 🔫 the other characters didn't even seem scared with Stephanie outright insulting Sheila and Lauren scoffing at her powerlessness. That is _not_ the way it feels now when Anthony is brandishing a we a p on. 😱
I have to wonder if we - the audience - are detecting his tone, volume, sarcasm, giving commands and double entendre and Macy is not seeing just how dangerous this is becoming. If she is terrified, she is doing a kinda good job containing herself, sticking around and going along with Anthony's orders.
@@teligon I think Macy is aware of how dangerous her plan is, but she thinks she can handle it because she doesn't realize that Anthony knows her secret and is planning to mu r der her.
Here comes the James and Maggie storyline.
And Shelia gets knocked on her pregnant butt !! 😂😂
Your so right about that
Connor and Anthony were so close and now since Anthony has gone over the edge, they are never shown together anymore.
With James and Connor becoming buddies (Morocco SL), the Connor- Anthony broship seems to have been buried and forgotten.
* The tape recorder and the 🔫*
The setting for Anthony and Macy's final dinner is interesting in that the deadly undercurrent never quite breaks through the romantic surface level. Throughout the episode, Anthony and Macy carry out the motions of a couple in love, while each of them is secretly plotting the other's destruction in an elaborate cobra vs mongoose dance. And this life-or-death struggle for plot control is clearly manifested in two hidden objects, the tape recorder and the🔫, which the two characters are shown continuously handling and concealing from each other (even as they tell each other that they have nothing to hide - the use of extreme closeups in this episode is very suggestive and a nice touch in the camerawork).
These two objects represent the different ways that Macy and Anthony are trying to take control of the plot - Macy using truth (the tape) and Anthony using force (the g un). Both their "we a po ns of choice" in this duel represent something fundamental about who they are as characters, the🔫being a ph a llic and threa tening object, and the tape recorder being a tool for _making one's _*_voice_*_ heard._ And it is clear that the battle between Macy and Anthony is a battle between these two objects - whoever controls the objects, controls the course of events. Both characters need to hold on to their own object _but also take charge of the other's object_ in order to succeed. Macy will need to get hold of the g un or she loses her life. Anthony will need to get hold of the tape recorder or he loses his freedom. But Anthony has the upper hand because he _knows_ about the existence of the tape recorder while Macy _doesn't_ know about the existence of the🔫.
Your so right about that
I was going to write something about Macy and Anthony struggling for control of the plot in this episode and then I realized, Annie will totally have that beat covered. And you did it brilliantly! 🙂Love your point about who controls the object, controls the plot. This struggle is also playing out the way different artists (and both Anthony and Macy are artists) compete to be the _auteur_ of a piece of art, like putting on a TV show. Macy trying to “record” the sound and Anthony trying to
"s h ** t the ending." And by the end of the episode, it seems Anthony has taken full control of the scene the way a director tries to impose his will: by refusing to read the script that Macy wants him to read (the confession) and literally directing Macy where to sit: 2:20 and 10:50.
@@NewYorkNick0607 great points! And I think what you wrote in another post about Anthony's "deadly double entendres" can also be understood as manifestations of plot control. He is so sure of his power that he can afford all these unnecessary flourishes. He is basically _toying_ with Macy - talking about her death using word play, making her follow his commands and enjoying the discomfort it causes her, making her say that she loves him, telling her what to wear, making her close her eyes and then waving the 🔫 around in front of her, because he knows that he _can_ - he knows that she will do _anything_ to get her tape recording.
It's quite a cr uel game that he's playing because he is using her hope against her to get her to do his bidding, knowing that everything she does is in vain because he intends to k ill her anyway.
Sally arriving via the fire escape is the best thing that I have seen all day! Oh, how I love Sally! lol
Me too, love her!
"A little older than Jessica....." My version of a "little" older might be 3-5 years but I guess old enough to be your mother is a little older as well lol.
I am trying to picture Sally climbing up the fire escape !!😂😂
With Sheila temporarily gone Anthony is occupying the villain position more than ever.
Yesterday Thorne asked Macy (episode 2088 after the 9 minute mark) _How did this happen Macy? How Did we get so mixed up with a maniac like Anthony?_ *The answer is Sheila.* Sheila paved the way for Anthony to slither his way into Macy's life like the snake 🐍 that he is. She did this by spiking Macy's orange juice with vodka in episode 1648 (15: 08). All this because Thorne expressed his views about Sheila not being good enough for his loser dad, and he didn't invite Sheila to Macy's party to celebrate her sobriety. Sheila is a sociopath, she's incapable of seeing herself as the problem like her "good friend." Sheila added more vodka 🥃🍸as Macy was saying hi to a friend/acquaintance in episode 1649 around 6: 40 mark.
My Gosh Anthony almost violated Macy when she was unconscious in episode 1650
We also have Sally, knowing what Anthony had tried to do still encouraged Anthony to pursue Macy just so that she can end her marriage to Thorne (Sally was on one of her anti all things Forrester post her failed relationship with Jack). She herself ended up falling for Armando. Back to Anthony:
- Macy's 12 step program was compromised.
- Her marriage was ruined (poor communication between her and Thorne was still a major factor).
- Her relationship with her mom Sally was almost destroyed.
- Irv got killed viciously.
- Thorne is -forgotten- a lot more than usual in prison for a crime he didn't even commit.
Love your post Tiroyaone! Sheila has gone but her last evil deeds help the show to have great drama. Edit: even now with everybody thinking Bridget is Ridge's daughter. But I have to admit, the B storyline is soo good 😊 and the next A one...
YES! Anthony emerged like a kind of evil sp i rit "summoned" by Sheila mixing that potion and giving it to Macy. Although Sheila is no longer on the show, Anthony is, in a way, her creation.
@@babs4848 Thank you Babs. Oh yes there's more to come
@@annieo6527 True! I saw a 1994 YT clip where Michael Sabatino expressed how he wishes Anthony and Sheila would cross paths
Yes! Troy I love this post SO much ❤ this is so wonderfully written!
Thanks for the upload !! I am Sorry to see Michael Sabitino go !!
I know he could have been a great man for Sally.🙏
@@LovelyLonewolf-mc3ldYes..Even though she Always mispronounced his name !!😂😂
Me too. Loved watching Michael Sabatino
I don’t get how a tape of Antony confessing is more considered more proof then both Thorne AND Macy saying they heard him admit to it?
I asked that same thing since they came back from Mexico and both said so in front of a guard, which also makes him a witness to their testimony 😐
Because these are two characters who normally don't get listened to.
@@annieo6527 😂👍
Cos it's "hearsay"
What's up with Dylan's hair in this episode? Is he trying to outdo Brooke for the worst hairstyle?
Now the stylists have given up on him too.
James finds Maggie attractive and charming just after the five minutes they spent together the other day. That time is enough for the writers to pair people here🥱
what about the perfect time, a line, a look .The viewers need to fall in love with a couple before the characters notice it themselves. What a waste of potential romance and strange pairing is this show.
I really couldn't care less who Maggie ends up with. I'm so not invested in her...
@@TriniT21 I know, but in this way it's difficult to ship new couples. All awfully paired and written and they don't last.
@@TriniT21 I know, I don't see the appeal of this character (nothing at all against the actress!). And the way her trivial problems with her daughter are inserted right into Sally's infinitely more serious problems with _her_ daughter just feel jarring.
@@babs4848 true.
I am also not invested in James, Connor, or Dylan. Or Jessica. So I really cannot get into any of their relationships
James is like any other man.He finds Maggie attractive and that’s why he is asking her out. It’s not unusual at all.
This was a great episode
Anthony's hiding a gun. Macy's hiding a tape recorder
neither dylan, jessica or maggie ever refer to their family or boyfiend/girlfriend by name, so ridiculous....
Who will be watching and commenting S13? 😁As much as I prefer to watch the show in order (and will continue to do so here), I will definitely be tuning in for season 13 as well, because if my calculations are correct, this should be 1999-2000 which was a *_really good_* year, very dramatic, dark and soapy! The season should start right at the Taylor twin pregnancy drama, the Brooke/Thorne/Macy triangle, and Amber passing off Becky's baby as her son!
Me! Been looking forward to this season for a long time 😁 I'm waiting for Morgan's arrival
I probably won't ?? I freaking couldn't stand Amber !!
I will tune in. The Thorne/brooke/macy Triangel will send Stephanie off the rails. Finally I will see the full sl unfold, that finally earned SF not just an Emmy nomation but also a win. I think its that season. But I would prefer to watch it in order.
Not looking forward Eric/Lauren, but I guess I have to endure that mess.
Did they start uploading Season 13 today?
@@NewYorkNick0607 they will start uploading three episodes a day on March 1. I would love to hear your thoughts on it! It is a _very_ dramatic season with a lot of high stakes storylines.
No straight to the graveyard 😂😂😂😂Macy don’t do it!
Come on Maggie??? He’s 21?!!! 😅😅😅
The men of the show can go after young women it’s only fair !
Cougar Maggie she’s better with Warwick
Man, Anthony is really creepy. Especially at the end when he knocks on the door. He can compete with Jake Nicholson in The Shining
Jack Nicholson in The Shining was my _exact thought_ too when I saw Anthony about to open the door!
Man Anthony really WANTS Macy😂 dead
She betrayed him lol
I love you Anthony, now tell me how you killed that girl again..." Nothing like being obvious when your cover is blown lol.
after today only 2 eppys with Omar and Anthony cant wait to see the last of them
Omar is gone already after the court decision
Macy is in a hell of a situation Anthony is out of his mind he is freacking out it is a good Sally came Macy needs help
He would killed her without Sally to rescue 🛟
Sally in the window 🤣
À Charlie Angels Sally vibe ! 😅
Maggie never talks about her new guy by name???
She’s so secretive
Macy is giving me anxiety 😮ughhh get out of there! Anthony is scary and pure evil along with psycho psychopaths tendencies 😮
19:44 LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I posted about that too. Sally cracks me up! 😂
How’d she do it ?!
@@NewYorkNick0607 Comedy gold 🤣
@@-Lily7415 She went up through the fire escape
Hilarious. And she didn’t even get dirty or break a sweat. Super Gal Sal!
Did Dylan just say that Maggie is a "little" older than Jessica?? 👀👀
A LITTLE lol 😂 okay……
I think she does look little, and Jessica looks older 🤭
@@galoutlaw8089 of course you would! 😳
@@galoutlaw8089 in addition to not knowing Maggie s last name. Does he also not know her actual age? Lol
That's like Ridge saying Brooke is a "little" older than Taylor. 😆
Now I've watched 2088 episodes, watching several episodes every day. Bold and the Beautiful - 1995 (S8 E337) FULL EPISODE 2088 These episodes are from 1995. Why do I have to wait for a new episode every day here on UA-cam? Since they are from 1995, I will never finish the entire series as long as I live with only one episode per day.
Thank you so much for this really great episode
Nice to See the show just copied Knots landing when Claudia Wittaker poisoned Alex Barth's salad dressing..Or at least that is what she said. !!😂😂
Lets talk about Anthony suddenly becoming a psychopath out of no where.
Thank you. ❤❤❤
Somebody please tell me what happens to Macy?!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I think Sally ends up saving her
The conflation of sex and murder in the Macy/Anthony scenes was interesting, and a very telling indicator of Anthony’s dark, twisted, pathology. First, Anthony plots to f*ck Macy, then kill her, while clearly identifying both as sources of passion. To him, though, the murder is the true “climax” of the evening, as is evidenced by his taunts about the “dessert” being the best part. Continuing this theme, a blindfolded Macy purrs to Anthony to “give it to me, baby” as Anthony waves the gun around. She doesn’t know how very literally he plans to do that, both with his male “weapon” and his literal weapon. The French may call the orgasm “le petit mort”, but Anthony is going for the big one.
All of this aligns with an observation I made several months ago. There was a scene in which Anthony fantasizes about telling Macy what he did, Macy acknowledging his power over her, and then Anthony basically compelling Macy to succumb to him. It struck me that he doesn’t fantasize about her joyously and willingly wanting to make love to her, but about *forcing* her. Today’s scenes were the real-life manifestation and culmination of those fantasies. Anthony doesn’t just want Macy, he wants to force her to be his.
Macy unwittingly tapped into this dark desire several episodes ago, when she intuited that the key to securing Anthony’s confession was to trick him into thinking she, too, was turned on by violence. That his murdering Ivana for her would make her swoon.
This theme, twisted as it is, has been deftly set up and woven consistently throughout the Macy/Anthony scenes all along. It’s what elevates the storyline above some of the other B&B dross. And it’s what makes Sally’s role as Macy’s protector here both appropriate and somewhat humorous, in a Victorian old-school kind of way. Mama Sally must protect not only her daughter’s safety, but her virtue.
What a great analysis! 👏I agree wholeheartedly with your take on these scenes - the whole storyline of Anthony/Macy has been a kind of veiled r a pe reference, which was foreshadowed the very first time that Anthony met Macy and tried to do just that. Even when he was trying to romance Macy early on, he always tried to bypass her cons ent (designing swimsuits that would disappear, making her sympathize with him by inventing dead cats that weren't there, never listening when she told him no), and the games he is playing with her in this episode are no different. Everything she does in this episode, he makes her do against her will - even telling him that she loves him. And the 🔫that Anthony waves around is a perfect metaphor because that too is used for forced pen e tr a tion.
I also think you have a great point about "protecting Macy's virtue" in the Victorian sense. A lot of emphasis has been made on the notion that Macy _mustn't_ sleep with Anthony (I wrote a separate essay post on it in episode 2089), that she mustn't give herself to him, or "sell her soul to the devil". And this is also reinforced by Anthony behaving kind of like Dracula in these scenes (always kissing and touching Macy's neck) - Dracula _also_ having strong undertones of s ex and r ape against the backdrop of Victorian virtue.
@@annieo6527I really like the parallel with vampires - excellent point! Anthony certainly was an emotional vampire if nothing else, sucking all the good out of Macy’s life!
Alright, that was weird my comment went up in smoke💨 ?? I just wanted to see if anyone knows if they will continue season 8/9 that we are currently watching? Because it seems like they won’t since a showtime is not listed. Kind of sad they would stop here (well part of season 10 is out there) then pick up again season 13???
Connor asked Dylan what Jessica's mum is like before asking her out but Dylan hasn't met her and doesn't know it's Maggie.
James asked Maggie out but Maggie says she is already seeing someone Dylan).
The one person who should be asking my wife Barbara out is me - her Chinese Husband Matthew See.
Maggie says that Dylan is three certain men rolled into one. I admit I am none of those three men. All I am is a Chinese man who is in love with this beautiful white woman Barbara.
Jessica brought up the subject of honesty and I have been very honest in how I feel about my wife Barbara and I love her so much and I always will.
Matthew See
Barbara Crampton's Chinese Husband
Anthony is a sickko watch out Macey Anthony is wayyyy OUTTER your LEAGUE
This Thorne storyline is exhausting 😩😒
Boring 😃😃😃
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The last episode of Anthony. Who is the worse beeetween Anthony, Blake, Mick Storm an Ron Deacon?
Jessy is so cute with her baby face ❤
If Anthony were to kill Macy he couldn’t blame it on Thorne,
It’s hard to believe that Maggie Forrester has all the men jumping at the chance to be with her. Dylan, James, Conner lol. I mean, she’s NOT really all that attractive, she’s NOT really all that smart, she’s NOT all that sophisticated, she’s NOT all that glamorous, and she’s NOT all that sexy.
I agree. This is exactly how I feel about Brooke as well.
@@elr6169me too, glad I'm not alone with this opinion....😂👍
@@elr6169 Maggie is still prettier than B rook e and played by a much better actress.
@@elr6169very true
@@memento-_mori You are rite bout that.
So Season 13 starts nxt week! I was hoping for S9 and the return of Sheila......ohh well...
They are jumping to Season 13 all ready ??
Yes , 1 march @@MrCraigblaze
Season 9 is almost here. Just one month to go!
S9 has not been confirmed Steve...only S13@@tropposteve4878
@@justin6008 I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But as far as S8 goes, we are down to about the last 30 episodes
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