Agreed, although the situations Ganz portrayed had a limited range (i.e. "Bunker Hitler") while Meisner and Berkoff had to cover a lot more ground. That said, I would have loved to see Ganz instead of Berkoff throughout War and Remembrance.
Berkoff got mixed reviews in his portrayal of Hitler in WAR AND REMEMBRANCE: some people thought he was excellent, others say he was too over the top. Both Guenther Meisner and Bruno Ganz are dead.@@nerva-
Bruno Ganz captured broken Hitler of 1945 perfectly, but I’ve never actually seen an actor capture the master orator Hitler of the 30s. They always come across as fake and one dimensional. A caricature.
I agree, and I think the reason that is the case is actors are afraid to portray him as someone who has a magnetism or any attractive qualities as he undoubtedly did.
Hitler brought death, misery and one half of the nation under Stalinism. I assume the WWII survivors of WWII in 1983 couldn't bear the sight of the monster.
43:10-43:25 A lot of people don't know this, but it was Stalin not Hitler who violated the Nazi-Soviet Pact first when he grabbed the Romanian territory of Northern Bukovina in the summer or fall of 1940. That was never agreed to in the Nazi-Soviet Pact; there was no secret protocol of that pact for Soviet Russia to annex territory that never belonged to her in the first place. Bukovina never even belonged to the czarist Russian Empire. Stalin was busily reclaiming territory Russia had lost after World War I; eastern Poland; bits and pieces of Finland (it's a wonder he didn't annex the whole of Finland and make it part of Russia as Czar Alexander I did in 1809); the Baltic States; and the Romanian province of Bessarabia; but not Bukovina. This however, does not justify Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union and the cruel treatment that was meted upon upon it's people by his bloody hands.
@67nairb : Dices eso porque IGNORAS o quieres hacer creer que no sabes que al invadir Bucovina la URSS estaba amenazando la única fuente natural de combustible para el III Reich en Rumanía y en aquellos días de la "Batalla por Inglaterra" ese acto soviético equivalía a poner un puñal en la garganta del III Reich, o sea un auténtico acto de EXTORSIÓN que prácticamente daba por roto el pacto Ribbentrop-Molotov ...¿Tú crees que Hitler evaluando esto, estaba dispuesto a ser apuñalado por la espalda? ...
I think Günter Meisner, although a bit stiff at times, was a much better and sinister Hitler than his successor to the role, Steven Berkoff, in War and Remembrance. The latter was playing it as a mere caricature, a yelling buffoon.
In War and Remembrance, Hitler was cartoonish, but I could understand what he was saying better, not just the subtitles, but also Berkhoff spoke a bit slower and more clearly. Neither however can match Bruno Ganz's portrayal of Hitler. Though I think Keitel, Halder, and Goering were done better in War and Remembrance partly due to the fact I made the bad mistake of watching War and Remembrance first!😡
Cast wasn't the problem. All actors were good, including Hitler's. In case of that role, they were just given poor advice from the director and producer, but even then you can see the actor did a good job with the directives given.
I have been spoiled by documentaries based on actual home movies. How can an actor pull a convincing Hitler out of his hat? Not easy. I saw Bruno Ganz and he gave me the creeps. Good for him.
Ironically if Il Duce had continue to remain neutral,thus following Franco's example,he could have survive the war & it would have benefited Hitler as well as there would have been no need to divert Wehrmacht forces to Italy.
I disagree. Had Germany and Italy focused on Afrika, Egypt, the Suez Canal, and the Middle East, then the number 1 strategic resource (oil) could've been attained whilst denying it to the Allies at the same time. A token force on the East Front would've been needed to stave off any Soviet temptations for pre-emptive attack. They would also have been able to establish trade\communications with Japanese forces encroaching into the Indian Ocean area.
@@Alaninbroomfield brilliantly put !!! wasted resources Battle of Britain comes to mind ! Albert Keselring stated this as well take North Africa and the Suez and then the oil.
Ooh wow who played Count Ciano plays in "War & Remembrance" (1988) for von Stauffenberg. and "Hitler" actor Meisner was a German paratrooper during World War II. Anton Diffring was a classy actor.
So the actor of General Von Roon was in Winds of War first and then reprised his role in War and Remembrance just like Soichiro Hoshi with Kira Yamato in Gundam. Interesting.
Jeremy Kemp as General Armin von Roon! A great actor! Kemp had a minor role in "Four weddings and a Funeral' . Though his character as von Roon is purly fictitional, von Roon has never existed
Antony hopkins a fait une des pires interprétation du Furheur Adolph Hitler. Allec guiness un peut meilleur Mais Bruno Ganz est le meilleur et nous montre le chancelier sur ces derniers jours avec des détails sur l homme et le Furheur.
The narrative background voice intermittently belongs to the Kabir bedi an indian actor who not only performed across europe but did as well in hollywood too.
Ese sí que es un aporte... Kabir Bedi fue Sandokán, en la serie de TV y también Gobinda, el guardaespaldas y secuaz del villano, príncipe Kamal Khan en la cinta Octopussy de 007, de 1983.-🎥🎞📽🎬📺👍🇨🇱
39:56 I think that French general or marshal was either Charles Huntziger or Maxime Weygand, the man who replaced General Gamelin as commander & chief of the French Army just as the Battle of France was ending. He looked really dejected.
I still believe Bruno Ganz is best representation of Hitler but this Actor is extremely good. How to defend a case of going slow if he only had victories to rebutt?
If there had been more history and less "soap opera" in this presentation of Winds of War" it would have had more room for deeper character studies and given good actors more time on screen. PS Anytime you have to start a story with a huge slobbering hunk of narration, your story, historical or not is in deep trouble.
Meisner was too young by five years for the role of Hitler and his face way too taut. A lot of Hitler's visitors came away shocked at the rather plain and droll expressionless countenance of the man, esp. if his mustache was overlooked. Not a very impressionable man, except when he gave speeches or went on a tirade. He was far too impressionable then.
Gano los votos en el parlamento y se dedico a dialogar en los discursos a los Alemanes el odio , la muerte a un sector y la idea de aniquilar eso es lo que asombra de los Alemanes como bajo esa orden! Hacerlo realidad
They skipped out the part where Aaron and Natalie Jastrow were listening to Hitler's speech in which he declared war on the United States on their radio in Part 7 and the last chapter of the WoW. While it's true we only heard Hitler's voice or should I say Guenther Meisner's voice, it could've been including in this video.
So many mistakes so soon. To say that Hitler was anouncing 5 months in advance of the polish campaign is just laughable. Do we just omit the zillions of peace attempts before the war? Including the last for a small corridor to Danzig and the city being German in name only? I can only assume the race of certain responsible for this abortion of history. I would suggest it was the same who funded “the focus” which propagandized the Brit’s into the war to their own peril. There had never been such a destruction of an empire as Britain upon “winning” the ww2. History proves me correct and the movie entirely a propaganda of hilarious proportions
il ne ressemble pas à Adolphe Hitler et le montre en permanence en train d hurlé. Bruno Ganz est celui qui l a mieu interprété et en étant très proche de la réalité dans le grand classique la chute.
this TV Serie is so far from the truth in respect how it showing germans that it is no surprise that in particular US people have no clue about Germany.
True. But emmigrant Germans in Brazil celebrated Hitler's birthday for years. I wouldn't be surprised if such remembrances of Hitler are still happening. Utter craziness.
@@dencamp6685 Meanwhile democrats are siding with COMMUNISTS like China...Democrats are TRAITORS to democracy and will be ousted and arrested in due time to save democracy....
Loved this when it was first aired in the UK but it has dated alarmingly now. Somehow some of Hitler's speeches don't seem as radical, shrill and aggressive as what they did. This is because our present day international politicians like Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and even Sunak seem to match the sentiments expressed by Hitler and favour rearmament, belicose reaction and military solutions to international problems.
Meissner was a terrible Hitler.....as bad as any English actor who played him. The only good depiction of Hitler was Bruno Ganz in Downfall because he was a German speaking German. Meissner is German but his neurotoc and much too old Hitler here is awful. Berkoff isn't much better but at least he isn't so clearly insane in the way he portrays him though again Hitler speaking English never works....
Meisner portrayed Hitler a lot more accurately than the other guy, but Bruno Ganz was the most convincing.
Agreed, although the situations Ganz portrayed had a limited range (i.e. "Bunker Hitler") while Meisner and Berkoff had to cover a lot more ground. That said, I would have loved to see Ganz instead of Berkoff throughout War and Remembrance.
Berkoff got mixed reviews in his portrayal of Hitler in WAR AND REMEMBRANCE: some people thought he was excellent, others say he was too over the top. Both Guenther Meisner and Bruno Ganz are dead.@@nerva-
I thought Ian McKellen did a great Hitler in the TV production "Countdown To War".
AGREED.
Obi Wan Kanobi did a really good job on his growly gas poisoned voice. Most leave that out or just didnt study him enough.
After seeing the performance of Bruno Ganz as Hitler all others fail in comparison
The actor who played hitler from the movie Rommel also did a great job.
Saw the original run of winds of war in 1983 started my love of history
Bruno Ganz captured broken Hitler of 1945 perfectly, but I’ve never actually seen an actor capture the master orator Hitler of the 30s. They always come across as fake and one dimensional. A caricature.
I agree, and I think the reason that is the case is actors are afraid to portray him as someone who has a magnetism or any attractive qualities as he undoubtedly did.
Thanks for those scenes. The Winds of War German Version has cut out all hitler scenes.
Of course it has 🙄👏
@@bradanklauer8926 They even cut out the Mussolini scenes.
What a shit editor 🤦🏻♂️
@@antonius521 WTF 😂.
Hitler brought death, misery and one half of the nation under Stalinism. I assume the WWII survivors of WWII in 1983 couldn't bear the sight of the monster.
LOL
I remember watching this...I think 1983? It was a terrific series
43:10-43:25 A lot of people don't know this, but it was Stalin not Hitler who violated the Nazi-Soviet Pact first when he grabbed the Romanian territory of Northern Bukovina in the summer or fall of 1940. That was never agreed to in the Nazi-Soviet Pact; there was no secret protocol of that pact for Soviet Russia to annex territory that never belonged to her in the first place. Bukovina never even belonged to the czarist Russian Empire. Stalin was busily reclaiming territory Russia had lost after World War I; eastern Poland; bits and pieces of Finland (it's a wonder he didn't annex the whole of Finland and make it part of Russia as Czar Alexander I did in 1809); the Baltic States; and the Romanian province of Bessarabia; but not Bukovina. This however, does not justify Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union and the cruel treatment that was meted upon upon it's people by his bloody hands.
@67nairb : Dices eso porque IGNORAS o quieres hacer creer que no sabes que al invadir Bucovina la URSS estaba amenazando la única fuente natural de combustible para el III Reich en Rumanía y en aquellos días de la "Batalla por Inglaterra" ese acto soviético equivalía a poner un puñal en la garganta del III Reich, o sea un auténtico acto de EXTORSIÓN que prácticamente daba por roto el pacto Ribbentrop-Molotov ...¿Tú crees que Hitler evaluando esto, estaba dispuesto a ser apuñalado por la espalda? ...
I think Günter Meisner, although a bit stiff at times, was a much better and sinister Hitler than his successor to the role, Steven Berkoff, in War and Remembrance. The latter was playing it as a mere caricature, a yelling buffoon.
In War and Remembrance, Hitler was cartoonish, but I could understand what he was saying better, not just the subtitles, but also Berkhoff spoke a bit slower and more clearly. Neither however can match Bruno Ganz's portrayal of Hitler. Though I think Keitel, Halder, and Goering were done better in War and Remembrance partly due to the fact I made the bad mistake of watching War and Remembrance first!😡
Yes, Steven Berkoff made a funny looking Adolf Hitler
For this series, he played Adolf in the French comedy Ace of Aces (1982) with Belmondo and in "inside out" (1976) with Telly Savalas.
@@rolfagten857 And also in an episode of 'Churchill: The Wilderness Years'. Pity they didn't invite him back for 'War and Remembrance'.
Steve Berkoff was better.
0:22
It says "Beriln", but what we see is actually Vienna. The palace is the Hofburg, and the statue is that of Prince Eugene.
Americans dont know the difference anyway LOL gotta be rain, grey and huge ornate buildings with swastikas
Hate how they always have Hitler screaming or an affect like he’s giving a speech.
I just wish they would have continued with the whole cast into war and rembrance
Cast wasn't the problem. All actors were good, including Hitler's. In case of that role, they were just given poor advice from the director and producer, but even then you can see the actor did a good job with the directives given.
Alec Guinness’ voice was closest, his normal speaking voice was a surprisingly warm baritone.
Ciano would not say, "Mein Fuhrer". Hitler was not his boss, Mussolini was.
What would he of called him?
Mr Hitler?
@@lukemcgahern2357that’s probably more likely - ‘Heer Hitler’
I have been spoiled by documentaries based on actual home movies. How can an actor pull a convincing Hitler out of his hat? Not easy. I saw Bruno Ganz and he gave me the creeps. Good for him.
Ironically if Il Duce had continue to remain neutral,thus following Franco's example,he could have survive the war & it would have benefited Hitler as well as there would have been no need to divert Wehrmacht forces to Italy.
Probably and even more, the Italian Monarchy would still be ruling...
I disagree. Had Germany and Italy focused on Afrika, Egypt, the Suez Canal, and the Middle East, then the number 1 strategic resource (oil) could've been attained whilst denying it to the Allies at the same time. A token force on the East Front would've been needed to stave off any Soviet temptations for pre-emptive attack. They would also have been able to establish trade\communications with Japanese forces encroaching into the Indian Ocean area.
That wouldn't be good or desired. @@alejandrovidal6441
@@Alaninbroomfield brilliantly put !!! wasted resources Battle of Britain comes to mind ! Albert Keselring stated this as well take North Africa and the Suez and then the oil.
And the Allies technically couldn’t use Italy to push to Germany so no need to worry about that front
Ooh wow who played Count Ciano plays in "War & Remembrance" (1988) for von Stauffenberg. and "Hitler" actor Meisner was a German paratrooper during World War II. Anton Diffring was a classy actor.
Diffring played Heydrich in "Operation Daybreak".
All I can think about when I see this Hitler is that this is Slugworth.
What?
@@ytuser2272 Yeah, it's the actor who played Slugworth in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
@@MrThischarmingman2
Seriously?!
@@ytuser2272 Look up the actor, Günter Meisner.
38:49 I'm glad they showed this scene. France did alot to humiliate Germany and in a way created Hitler.
So the actor of General Von Roon was in Winds of War first and then reprised his role in War and Remembrance just like Soichiro Hoshi with Kira Yamato in Gundam. Interesting.
Jeremy Kemp as General Armin von Roon! A great actor! Kemp had a minor role in "Four weddings and a Funeral' . Though his character as von Roon is purly fictitional, von Roon has never existed
THIS: *this compilation of AH scenes* should be made a cult classic😍
43:53 when everyone in the room is thinking what an impossible task he has cooked up but dont dare to say it loud.
Bruno was the more accurate.
The opening scene is titled "Berlin, March 31, 1939" yet the background photo is of Vienna.
Yeah, it's the Hofburg palace.
28:59 Epic line
Thanos: “I am inevitable”
*snaps fingers*
*nothing happens*
Hitler: *has the stones*
“I am...
GERMANY”
*snaps fingers*
Thanos: *ded*
Can you do all of Hitler’s scenes in War and Remembrance please
There is one
The problem with these historical war movies that it is written by the victores. Their version is as blurred as this movie.
Mrs. Henry literally fawning over Hitler and associates.
She needs help.......badly.🙄☹
I loved this series Winds of War.
They forgot Rommels conversation with Hitler and the meeting of operation case white
I don’t know how many times I laughed at this
#1 bruno ganz! Anthony hopkins was also very good.
28:59 top 10 epic moments
Anthony Hopkins,Alec Guiness were good interpretations too
Anthony really??
The movie was called the Bunker I think it was in 1981
Antony hopkins a fait une des pires interprétation du Furheur Adolph Hitler. Allec guiness un peut meilleur
Mais Bruno Ganz est le meilleur et nous montre le chancelier sur ces derniers jours avec des détails sur l homme et le Furheur.
The guy playing Ribbentrop also played Reinhard Hydrich in another movie.
Operation daybreak was the name of the film
Somehow Hitler had become one of Dan Curtis's vampires.
Rages. Folds arms. Strikes "historic pose".
42:32 yeah Adolf I'm thinking your crazy.
The narrative background voice intermittently belongs to the Kabir bedi an indian actor who not only performed across europe but did as well in hollywood too.
Ese sí que es un aporte... Kabir Bedi fue Sandokán, en la serie de TV y también Gobinda, el guardaespaldas y secuaz del villano, príncipe Kamal Khan en la cinta Octopussy de 007, de 1983.-🎥🎞📽🎬📺👍🇨🇱
Ave got winds of war and war of rememberance 1 of the best n longest mini series of ww2
Epic.
The actor playing Hitler is scary as f@#k. That is great acting.
39:56 I think that French general or marshal was either Charles Huntziger or Maxime Weygand, the man who replaced General Gamelin as commander & chief of the French Army just as the Battle of France was ending. He looked really dejected.
For Meisner fans, he first played Hitler in Jean Paul Belmondo's *L'as des as* (Ace of Aces 1982).
It's a comedy and he's very funny.
Voice of William Conrad?
The narrator? That's William Woodson, arguably most famous as the narrator of The Invaders.
This was hard to watch because every 3 seconds the film would freeze up. Terrible lag.
Ah! Mozart playing! Wundrerbar!
Aatu Perkele
31:00 this is a great sequence
I still believe Bruno Ganz is best representation of Hitler but this Actor is extremely good. How to defend a case of going slow if he only had victories to rebutt?
This isn't how Hitler was in person listen to him talking in casual talk he's not like that
There's audio of him talking with Finnish Leader Marshall Mannerheim, in his normal voice, his voice was deeper than I expected.
My favorite parts of the series were when Hitler was involved with the
If there had been more history and less "soap opera" in this presentation of Winds of War" it would have had more room for deeper character studies and given good actors more time on screen. PS Anytime you have to start a story with a huge slobbering hunk of narration, your story, historical or not is in deep trouble.
Meisner was too young by five years for the role of Hitler and his face way too taut. A lot of Hitler's visitors came away shocked at the rather plain and droll expressionless countenance of the man, esp. if his mustache was overlooked. Not a very impressionable man, except when he gave speeches or went on a tirade. He was far too impressionable then.
Acted like Trump does !
His hair is too long. But he’s good.
Georing was a fool
Grossadmiral Erich Raeder nunca usó bigote, no tenían una foto antes de elegir a los personajes que interpretan 🧐
That's not the reason, they were doing what they were doing they were evil completely.
Gano los votos en el parlamento y se dedico a dialogar en los discursos a los Alemanes el odio , la muerte a un sector y la idea de aniquilar eso es lo que asombra de los Alemanes como bajo esa orden! Hacerlo realidad
They skipped out the part where Aaron and Natalie Jastrow were listening to Hitler's speech in which he declared war on the United States on their radio in Part 7 and the last chapter of the WoW. While it's true we only heard Hitler's voice or should I say Guenther Meisner's voice, it could've been including in this video.
So many mistakes so soon. To say that Hitler was anouncing 5 months in advance of the polish campaign is just laughable. Do we just omit the zillions of peace attempts before the war? Including the last for a small corridor to Danzig and the city being German in name only? I can only assume the race of certain responsible for this abortion of history. I would suggest it was the same who funded “the focus” which propagandized the Brit’s into the war to their own peril. There had never been such a destruction of an empire as Britain upon “winning” the ww2. History proves me correct and the movie entirely a propaganda of hilarious proportions
14:25
Sadly, he does not look like Hitler
Nada bueno , bajo el Sol ( fue con este regimen)
❤😂❤❤❤❤
Mocking the german empire, france got a comeback 😂
Bad history too.Hitler didn't stay at Compiene for the surrender to show his contempt for the French....many inaccuracies in this series.
Hitler barely stayed in the train car😂. He was in and out
il ne ressemble pas à Adolphe Hitler et le montre en permanence en train d hurlé. Bruno Ganz est celui qui l a mieu interprété et en étant très proche de la réalité dans le grand classique la chute.
I have yet to see a decent film of Hitler and the Nazis come out of America.Not one.
this TV Serie is so far from the truth in respect how it showing germans that it is no surprise that in particular US people have no clue about Germany.
Goofy and inaccurate
Who's the awful narrator?
Reminder to you Hitler lovers, Germany lost the war real bad.
So trying to bring him back won't work.
@Star_Gazing_Coffe_Love: Lo que sucede es el solo hecho de escuchar su nombre a sus enemigos los hace kgarse de miedo ....¡¡¡incluído VOS!!!
@@salvadorvillegas3569 Hitler is dead..
@@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover Yes. Since 1962.
@@ednorton47 1945.
True. But emmigrant Germans in Brazil celebrated Hitler's birthday for years. I wouldn't be surprised if such remembrances of Hitler are still happening. Utter craziness.
“I know more about isis then the generals do believe me“ - Donald J Trump
Hitler and trump are both insane
@@dencamp6685 Meanwhile democrats are siding with COMMUNISTS like China...Democrats are TRAITORS to democracy and will be ousted and arrested in due time to save democracy....
@@captaingenius-o1c arrested and executed.
So how's that vote for Joe Biden doing for ya. Ukraine war refugee crisis and $4.80 gas prices. 🤣👍
The president usually does, president is briefed daily
Loved this when it was first aired in the UK but it has dated alarmingly now. Somehow some of Hitler's speeches don't seem as radical, shrill and aggressive as what they did. This is because our present day international politicians like Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and even Sunak seem to match the sentiments expressed by Hitler and favour rearmament, belicose reaction and military solutions to international problems.
So who got us in the Ukraine mess and is hurtling us headlong into WWIII? Surely not Trump.
This production is absolutely horrible. It is like a Quin Martin production from the 70's
This is scary , I can imagine Trump yelling this out after the onslaught of millions and the destruction of our Country.
It’s his fantasy and the fantasy of his sycophants.
Moronic comment.
Oh, I don't know. Seems your Biden is doing quite the job.
Biden is the militarist and warmonger.
You are so right ! The man must be stopped !
Meissner was a terrible Hitler.....as bad as any English actor who played him. The only good depiction of Hitler was Bruno Ganz in Downfall because he was a German speaking German. Meissner is German but his neurotoc and much too old Hitler here is awful. Berkoff isn't much better but at least he isn't so clearly insane in the way he portrays him though again Hitler speaking English never works....
most depictions of hitler were awful until ganz. Most were cartoonish. David Bamber in Valkyrie I thought was ok. But he didnt get much screen time
For an English actor, I thought Ian McKellen did a good Hitler in "Countdown to War".
Bruno ganz
Was a very convincing actor from downfall
When Britian declared war on Germany for its invasion of Poland , why did it not declare war on the Soviet Union who invaded Poland at the same time ?
Da sind geschichtliche Fehler drin ohne Ende ☝️
Promises, promises. Treaties are only as good as the principals are willing to enforce it.