Wonderdraft - Inkarnate Killer? (map-making app review)
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2018
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"Ok so let's zoom out-"
already better than Inkarnate
You had me at Undo... You had me at undo.
Don't mind if we do!
@@JMObyx don't mind if we *undo*
Know what I mean, nudge, nudge, wink wink, say no more, say no more....!
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inkarnate has an undo tho
The coastline should be enough for anyone to switch from Inkarnate to this.
Jeremy Williams AND THE UNDO
The Undo is a big one
Inkarnate is free at least
Jeremy Williams it isn’t free so it isn’t for me
Get whatcha pay for, right guys?
Between the one-time cost and the fact that it's MY map instead of theirs, I think Wonderdraft is by far the better option.
So do we have a the ownership of the maps and the IPs of the world we created? So it is not like inkarnate pro, and so do we have the rights to market the maps?
@Lien3383 yes, it is. I did contact the creator a few months ago
Simply with this "raise the elevation of the land" feature, Wonderdraft beats Inkarnate, guys
Another issue with Inkarnate is ownership of content. When you make something with Inkarnate, even if it is your own world, they own your map.
Good point.
Huge point for me, which is why I won't use it.
you think they'd steal content? sell it? to who?
@@maxw6004 they won't steal your content because it isn't even your content. It's THEIR content. THEY own it. And that's the issue. They might not sell your maps (although they could), but the might demand a cut of your profits if you ever use a map made in Inkarnate in any of your commercial works, even if you have a pro-account. They could even keep you from selling any of your maps at all because they own them, so they get to decide what you can and cannot do with your maps. Now personally I think Inkarnate maps always look a bit amateuristic, so I'd never use them for any professional work, but for those who do consider using Inkarnate maps for anything outside of their own personal D&D games, should expect complications.
that is a huge no for inkarnate.
That auto generate tool looks really good for people like me who can't draw whatsoever.
I used to think there is no way in hell that I can learn to draw, but something got me started and I drew my first map. It wasn't really good but it was a nice edition to my campaign. Then I drew another which was much better but still not quite there. After like 3-4 maps and like 40-50 hrs in total over a couple of months I really started to draw pretty good maps and my players are delighted. Ofc, Nate helped me a lot with his tips and tricks on this channel. But don't be afraid to fail a few times in order to master a skill you wish to obtain :)
What I do is copy a coastline off of google maps. Pretty easy and it can produce the most realistic coastlines :p
Everyone _can_ draw... it just requires "years" of practice. Draw a thing every day. I don't care if it's a stick figure or a poop. Once a day and eventually you find your style and flow. Over time, it gets faster and easier.
I learned, on my own, to make some pretty detailed outdoor maps on paint. Just took some practice and figuring things out.
There is no real talent. There is only practice.
The only thing in your way is Yourself.
You will never be satisfied with your own art.
There is not without a reason this saying. You are your own biggest critic.
All you need to do is to start with practice and not just stop because you hate your own art.
that river face at 9:04 though
You basically just said, "That river face at 9:04 however."
@@whothennow24 thanks! I'm aware written and spoken english are often intertwined. I'm afraid English is not my first language; i got excited seeing something cool and wanted to share that. Truly sorry you're at a place in life where you have to make a reaction like that on UA-cam. Hope you get well soon! Xoxo
whothennow24 r/iamverysmart though
@@timm201 Don't worry about it. Your English was great and anyone that isn't an asshole knows exactly what you meant. That is a very natural use of English.
@@timm201 your usage of though was correct in colloquial english especially online. however that way of using 'though' is extremely new and informal and originally comes from african american dialects, which are all things that assholes like to label as 'incorrect' when it really isnt especially for an informal youtube comment lol
I'm working on a novel, and while I love hand drawing my map, I really wanted a program that would allow creating, altering and tweaking my terrain features, city locations and roads in a format that didn't involve destroying my erasers. This was really helpful in informing me for my decision.
Yup, me too. I was looking for mapping software for my new novel. Wonderdraft looks like the solution. Especially since it seems to have a planet-building function.
Have you finished your Novel?
@@HeliosX28 Three years later still a work in progress. 😅 Working on it right now actually.
@@sarahmacdonald955 Keep at it 👍
It’s crazy I just started on my novel and it brought me to this video . I was looking for a good map building solution because illustrator was too time consuming
Important feature is that you can add your own assets to it.
Is adding assets relatively easy? I am looking to create maps for Traveller, Delta Green and Bushido...so these late medieval assets are largely useless - and realistically my needs require a fair amount of flexibility.
@@jameshenderson4876 From the way it looked it was just a file browser so if it's in your computer and it's an image you should be able to add it.
I believe you can add your own to Inkarnate as well, if I'm not mistaken.
@@afriendlyinternetcat4984 you can.
@@afriendlyinternetcat4984 For the pro version, yes.
Also: Subscription vs one-time payment. So in the long run Wonderdraft is waaaaaaay cheaper.
Another big point, for me, is that Wonderdraft is Downloaded, while Inkarnate is web based only. I'm not a fan of being unable to use a tool without an internet connection, Especially if I was Paying for that tool. Also with Inkarnate, you can only save in the app itself so if anything happens to your data on their end, your out of luck.
I'm able to save my maps as files
@@magicalawnmower4764 Fair enough. I haven't used Inkarnate for a while. Maybe I missed that.
@@magicalawnmower4764 save maps as files only usable on the website?
@@AIgorith No, you can download a jpg or a png version. I've been doing sort of a partial layout, downloading, and editing the result further in PS, but given the sub price, I think I'd prefer to purchase Wonderdraft, instead, especially if I can create my own icons, and HAVE AN UNDO BUTTON! (That's a huge deal. XD)
I have a problem with Inkarnate maps saving with their brush and shovel textures. When I go to edit the map all the land masses and water are gone with only the laid out assets remaining. So I have to keep the window open to edit... even downloading the map comes up as blank (just completely black). In order to keep the work I have to screenshot it.
So, hopefully this program works out way better.
you named that city winterhold? stop right there! you have commited crimes against skyrim and her people!
"What say you in your defense?"
"I'm the Jarl's Thane. I demand you let me go at once."
I used to be a cartographer like you...
It's not like he killed a chicken...
Stop
You have violated the law!
Ah, the world of "Label". Magnificent! :)
Hahaha!
Point of order, it's pronounced "lah-behl".
It's Elvish.
And have you been to the city of Sample Text? Wonderful cuisine.
So I bought this after watching the video. Compared to inkarnate, I think this tool was designed more with a DM or GM in mind. It’s way more user friendly in accomplishing tasks related to making a map that needs to be used. The overlay feature is vital for me in that it allows me to do things like zoom up an area of a kingdom map to create a local map from it while preserving scale. The road, river, and coastline tools are massive time savers. I’m almost moved to tears. I do think inkarnate makes a prettier finished product. The symbols in Wonderdraft seem more 2d to me. But I’ll take that. Besides, it looks like it allows you import your own custom stuff, so maybe that can be rectified. I’m thinking a combination approach might even work better. Make the landmass, add roads and rivers in wonderdraft...import into inkarnate for the mountains and trees and stuff.
Lester Witherspoon
Im a fairly new DM and have created a world of several continents by hand on paper. Seeing this made me wonder if it would be possible to import something hand-drawn and modified from there within Womderdraft? I have never tried a computer generated approach to map making but I am definitely interested after seeing how easy to use this program is. Thoughts?
Kyle Evans I’d say it’s worth a try. It’s pretty cheap, so it’s not like it would hurt your wallet that much if you don’t find it useful. I’d prefer to do it all by hand, it’s more about time to me. Using things like Wonderdraft and Inkarnate allows me to have beautiful maps while
saving me time. I can use that extra time to flesh out the characters and history of these places, and to work on upcoming plots. Maps are a lot of fun for me...I have to remind myself that it’s just another tool to use to make this story happen.
Scan your hand drawn map (or take a photo of it if you’re poor like me with no scanner), import it as the overlay, adjust the grid so the squares (or hexes) line up with the hand drawn map, slide the transparency down so you can see both it and what you’re drawing in Inkarnate, then use the tools in it to sorts trace everything from the original. If you want to make full maps of each area of your continent maps, do the same thing, but zoom up on that area of the original, set the grid/scale appropriately (for me: world = 400 miles per square, region = 100, kingdom = 20, local = 5)
@@MegaDraconus It is quite simple actually scan your map as a png file and you can use it in inkarnate.
Granted, the software won't recognize the symbols you used and other stuff but you can add new stuff to it. And there is always the brush option I guess.
Wonderdraft is open to modifcation: users post symbol packs in the subreddit all the time.
Lucas Castro I really need to get on checking that out
I think the thing with the trees not being able to be placed in a big clump was because you didn't click on 'ignore collisions'
Just turn down collision and turn up placement rate
Wonderdraft has already evolved a ton since this review. Enough so that I think it might warrant another review from you, with all the features, symbols, and fixes it has added.
What about now, does it need a third
@@eosdawn6399 What about now, does it need a fourth?
Fifth! 😄
@@kawajogos Surely that will be the review to end all reviews.
I much prefer purchase to subscription. That said, it’s also clear to me the marketplace has moved on from my preferences.
I’m with you. This program is a rare exception.
Omg, that's far more better than inkarnate, for sure. My books' maps i had to cut off from the final edition because of the lack diversify of inkarnate :/
Thank you very much!
Gabriel Raw go check out the subreddit for new assets
@@hk015 I did, but I still prefer some other options. Inkarnate got a little bit cartoony
@@gabrielraw7979 he may have also meant check out the wonderdraft subreddit
...and some happy little trees live over here
Thank you for painting with me...
You’ve convinced me! Just bought and downloaded it, so far really happy with the convenience and surprising depth the tools provide!
Currently transferring my homebrew 5e map into Wonderdraft - really easy with the overlay tool and ‘raise landmass’ tool. Can’t wait to start digging into the nitty gritty and building cities and rivers and mountains, beyond my original crappy line drawing.
I'm glad you make videos. I dont think I would have ever found this!
I am going to use wonderdraft now
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I've had a bunch of issues with inkarnate on top of the fact that I wasn't a fan of the style after the big update. I eventually just used handdrawn maps. Would give this a look though. I like the style more.
Gave up with Inkarnate once all my World notes were erased.
I know this is over a year after you originally commented this, but Inkarnate has amazing customer service and even if you aren’t going to use it, I think it would be really helpful to them if you contacted them with your issues.
@@ella4828 I still don't think it comes close to Wonderdraft since it has a paid subscription vs a one time sell, which for many(me included) is really a deal breaker, since many people just make a map once every few times and has more pro options which you would expect from something you pay for, inkarnate is just inferior in many ways and is not worth the money
Your video made me buy the software .... thanks mate !
Having seen demonstrations between Wonderdraft and Inkarnate now, I feel safe to say this is definitely an Inkarnate killer. Thanks for showing it off!
I'm writing a novel and map making is my number one struggle! Thank you so much for your videos bro! Much love!
Me too, a fantasy. But do we own the ownership and IP of maps we created only by purchasing the software, and are we allowed to put them in the book and market it? That's the only thing stopping me from buying. I even tried contacting Megasploot, but he apparently does not have a public mail, so I had to contact him via Reddit, but still did noy have a feedback. I'm almost out of time, could you please answer me and, if possible, link me a sheet saying this EULA and terms? Thanks!
@@zeusporco5570 Can't think why you wouldn't own any maps you create with this tool. Otherwise it would be like Microsoft owing a book your wrote with Word. You buy the tool, you own the product.
i literally just sat here and watched this whole video. this looks so awesome
Huh, i didn't know there was applications for this, I've been hand drawing my maps on paper with fine pencils, this'll definitely speed up making less important maps, mostly for friends dnd, i enjoy drawing mine but this'll be great for other's. Nice video man
Your channel was incedibly helpful in looking for a world creator for our school. Thank you for the thorough review of various tools. We did end up getting the Wonderdraft based off this video :-)
Oh my god this gets me unreasonably excited. I'm buying this the second I get off work.
I like Inkarnate for its simplicity. It's kinda the tricycle (saying that lovingly) of map design versus the tandem bicycle on a high wire that is Photoshop. But that being said, there are just a lot of little simple things that make it frustrating to use. Wonderdraft looks amazing and seems to be that nice happy half-way point between Inkarnate and Photoshoping! Thank you so much for sharing this and bringing it to our attention!!!!
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Having an overlay feature makes this an Inkarnate killer for me lmao, I'm just trying to translate my handrawn maps to digitals I can do more various work with.
In addition, I'm not too big a fan of Inkarnate's square layout. I like it for localized maps fine, but a world map just feels impossible to achieve, at least the way I make it
You can actually use free browser plugins like PerfectPixel (Chrome) to add overlay images.
@@justininexile3445 thanks! I do think Inkarnate might be good for making local maps or urban and dungeon areas, so I'll work something like that in the future
This is amazing! How am I only now discovering this?
This makes for a beautiful map! WOW! This software looks really good.
really helped me with learning the program and convincing me that its definitely worth the price! Great Video! Pretty much saved my campaign as I was struggling massively
Thanks for the review! New to maps and fantasy world building. Sticking with hand drawn so far but glad to know there is map software that is approaching good art software.
Thank you sooo much for the in depth review. This is going to help me immensely!
You are very welcome.
Thanks for introducing me to Inkarnate. Pretty neat tool!
I'm glad that in this video, you really decided to let your hair down and get extremely creative here. Haha! Seriously though, great job and this really helps.
Thx for sharing, just needed one of this tool to explain some dungeons for my how to channel for some games. This seems enough for what I need to work on. Thx for saving me some time.
You just got another person to buy it! Amazing video sir!
I found this just in time. I'm getting started with map making, so I tried the free version of Inkarnate. Wasn't really in love with it, but I was going to get the pro version just because I couldn't find a better alternative. Now I do!
Very nice program. Very useful video! Thanks!
Well dang you sure sold me on THAT map maker program once you started slapping some big mountains, dotted trails & winding rivers... :D
A big plus for me is that you can make much bigger maps in Wonderdraft. Inkarnate only supports up to 2048 pixels map, while Wonderdraft supports up to 8196 pixels. I like to have my maps as big as possible, so I can really get detailed with them.
Just messing around and you made a great looking colored map in under an hour. That speaks volumes in itself.
Went and bought it. Was even on sale! Thanks!
Was about to purchase Inkarnate until I saw your Video. Thanks for the Review!
This looks so much nicer than Inkarnate! 20$ is a price, though, but an affordable expense for a dedicated worldbuilder, I feel.
Hey there new viewer here and new DM for DnD 5e. At about 3:00, you said with Inkarnate you couldn't use a stylus to draw maps. I just wanted to let you know that I've had success with a stylus while using a Surface Pro, so maybe there's a way for you to get that to work. I like your videos, you do a great job of giving both pros and cons while comparing products, and you've brought a lot of DM tools to my attention. Thanks for your time and effort #WASD20 :)
I'm a cartographer and just now learning about this and I'm sold!
i've been planning on getting this for a while
Woah this looks so neat! I think I could save up so much time with this app instead of doing the full process - manually drawing the map, inking it out, scanning and then editing. Although on the other hand, I really like the entire process :D decisions decisions...
Great content. Thank you for the video.
Definitly gonna check this out. It looks super neat.
Why have I not come across this before?! I've recently been getting into digitalizing my maps for my stories but been frustrated with the lack of royalty-free brushes (I use GIMP 2.10) and do not have much talent in symbol drawing beyond the compass rose. Never picked up InkarnatePro because of the subscription, but this resolves so much! Thank you for posting this very informative video, and I shall go pick up Wonderdraft!
just did a test map in Wonderdraft after trying out the free version of Inkarnate and I much prefer Wonderdraft (if just for the undo function alone). The ability to use my tablet to draw is also a huge plus for me, and I assume the asset library will grow over time. In my limited time with it so far, I'm really enjoying Wonderdraft. This was a very helpful review.
Great video as always Nate.
Thanks!
Thank you for showing this
Thanks for the video, you're like the D&D Bob Ross now
Thanks for sharing this. Seems like a solid program.
I think some competition is really good, i'll gonna wait and see what is coming out ahead. Some good times at the horizon for cartographers.
wow this is amazing gonna have to pick this up
Would love to see an updated review a few years later. I grabbed it a year ago and a lot has happened. I really like it but it's always nice to hear what a seasoned mapmaker think about it.
I LOVE the sim ant soundtrack!
It seems to have a good blend of easy to use and does what I want it to. Thanks.
Thank you for this.
I was searching a tool to makes map that look pro and this video has convinced tp go with this one !
I love how the river top left looks like a face :P Mother nature is watching.
Welp, this makes my decision for which to pay for! Thank you so much for this!
THANKS FOR THIS! Will definitely get this software now as well as the Fantasy buildings. Would like a more hard science fiction pack. Using this to help me with development of a world/universe I'm writing a series of novels about.
This reminds me of a system I built all the assets for back in 2011 for one of our games. The assets I made were modern though.
If you have Photoshop you can set up layers to do each of these effects. Then when you want to make a map, just edit the layers. :)
When it’s after 2am and I should be sleeping but I’m watching a map making video.
Thank you for he demo, this was pretty easy to use, and if you have any Photoshop or Illustrator experience this should be a breeze.
Your channel name is incredible.
So in most of the cases it's basically a slimmed down Photohop with some presets. But what I really like is that randomised coastline, river, path form. I'm actually thinking on how I could simulate something in Photoshop. For the Coastline, probably a irregular shaped brush could do, but the rivers and streets really are awesome.
Bought it a week ago, learning it slowly but it's actually intuitive.
Really nice app.
It is a great starting point for those who want to go with pen and paper afterwards and gives you a little bit of experience.
Love u man, thx for share this!
This does bring up the question of scale when doing maps. Zooming in and out, at what scales should you insert different map features?
Very useful video. I bought this program a few days ago.
It also has 2 packs that I didn't buy yet for 9,99 dollars each. Fantasy and the other one is called pirates.
I also noticed that there are 2 versions of this program.
The old version and the 1.7 version which seems to come with extra stuff.
Hi, are the assets that come with Wonderdraft (the little houses and trees and clouds) default assets or custom assets because I read that custom assets are not for commercial use so I'm not sure if the ones that came with the app are considered defaults. Thanks
WAS20: Proceeds to give good information about Wonder Draft
Me: *Notices Winterhold*
I have a question, can you use more then one of these together., say build the coast with wonder and then go to the other for adding city and such? can you save it in a format and load it into the other?
This tool looks AMAZING!!!
Also, your second river should be named "hitchcock" - if you check that shape. ;)
cheers from Brazil
Looks pretty cool, thanks. I have great loyalty to Campaign Cartographer for my (very limited) forays into mapping, but probably just because for decades, it was the only option if you weren't really artistic. Might try this out.
The western coast where the forests and mountains are at is strikingly similar to the western continent from your tutorial on map making.
Question. Can you add details like villages and towns to the map, that when you zoom in you see the detail? Or can you only do topographical details?
OK, I'm sold. :D
I paid for Inkarnate for a while, but seeing this I think this would be the way to go. Thanks for the look into this, I had not yet heard of it ;)
CTRL Z undoes in Inkarnate. ( Maybe new feature since this video is a couple years old. )
Thanks for the review!
You had me at "Elevate land".
that background music... sooo much GameBoy nostalgia
Azgaar's Fantasy Map Generator is actually a really good robust free option.
It has climate, roads, rivers, biomes etc. generation too.
this is really great
Inkarnate is NOT for commercial novel writing, they own every asset you use and essentially, they own your map. Not to mention Inkarnate has a lot of really annoying quirks and features that Wonderdraft beats them on by default. Definitely buy Wonderdraft if you're a commercial author.
My question is why are you using any program to make maps? Every time I see a map, the best maps, were done by very talented people from very simple maps, to incredible maps. Just pay a person $20 and you will probably get a very nice map. Besides that what does wonderdraft have that Inkarnate doesn't? I feel like its the opposite and would love to know. Trying to figure this out to see if I should switch.
@@3YE_Reality With a program, especially land generators, you can change the map entirely on the fly whenever it suits you. With a person, yes you get a nice map, but there has to be a lot of back and forth between you and the artist to get exactly what you want, which can take a while if they don't have live communication (such as videocalling). And ultimately, you are the only person who can know precisely what your world calls for; a second person can only interpret so much.
@@deffdefying4803 Yeah, but the comment I am replying to is for commercial purposes and it doesn't actually seem like Inkarnate can't be used for commercial purposes. Yeah a program can definitely help with ease and quick development, I use Inkcarnate basically daily. But for high detail and if you do a rough sketch of a map that you want made by hand or even a guy who will use a program themselves they can make incredible maps. Even if you want to keep using the same artist, might increase the price, but you can say like hey I looked at the map, I need this mountain range moved, water source here, etc, etc. I wouldn't use a hand drawn map until I had a world fully flushed out to begin with and just do quick hand sketches until I knew what I would want. Now if this was for something like DnD or other high fantasy I would definitely use a program as I am already, because it makes it easier and much more entertaining.
Can you export your map in layers so after you can edit it with photoshop or animate the elements?
can u use an over lay and put a predrawn map that u dont like underneath and draw over top with this better looking map?
I second that question. Would be really cool to know, if that is possible?
@@Steveegrim I ended up buying Wonderdraft, and good news, yes you can do it
@@Skud0rz thx for letting me know!